Yunjin Thread

[night cliff]

Only XL-yunjin dmg

[tardy thunder]

thats pretty high

[sand sluice]

oh snap I forgot yeah

honestly if she's like, on field all the time you can get away with less er

[night cliff]

Probably depends on enemies

[tardy thunder]

thats what i thought

might have to use favonious bennet

fav bennet isnt as bad as i thought

you dont lose that much atk buff from using it

despite the horrible base atk

let me run the numbers again with fav bennet

[night cliff]

With kazu + benny personal DMG team would be probably like 40k+ right?

[tardy thunder]

yeah favonious bennet helps alot

i had her needing 212 ER before

we can achieve this with 3 ER subs and a sands

ill calc the full thing again tomorrow

fav bennet changes everything

165 ER if exile bennet

[night cliff]

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma did we say before that the XL Kazuha Yun Jin Bennet team wasn't gonna work and if we did do you remember why? feel like i remember us reaching that conclussion but i forget why

i think it should with a rotation of: Kazuha Q > Bennet EQ > Kazuha E > YunJin EQ > XL EQ/QE (idk which is better) 4N4D > Bennet E

[sand sluice]

I heard that if you burst too fast ben's buff won't apply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-NSPuriLTc

dunno if this can happen to XL too

[ornate dagger]

is her shield good?

[sand sluice]

she doesn't have a shield

[ornate dagger]

i though she had in her burst

[sand sluice]

read her kit again, if we're both talking about yj

[ornate dagger]

oh ok thanks

[tardy thunder]

should be fine especially if use guoba before pyronado

[sand sluice]

yes

[river yew]

it doesn't happen to XL because she snaps after her animation ends

While beidou snaps almost immediately

[sand sluice]

huh

[sand sluice]

wait if she snaps that late then what happens to the first 3 hits?

[river yew]

well they are dynamic

that's also why her 3rd swing has c6 buff while her pyronado doesn't

[sand sluice]

that's some really obscure but important knowledge.

Wonder if we have a snapshot compedium or sth

[river yew]

Stuff like that should probably be like in kqm library or something, but as a rule of thumb snapshotting happens when an independent entity is created by some skill and it deals damage, for Beidou it's those snakes flying around and they appear early, but as for XL - her actual pyronado (Not the animation only one) appears pretty late

[sand sluice]

icic

[tawny spoke]

ticket is still not published

that should fall under the snapshot timings ticket

[river yew]

oh well

[random cloud]

Would like to ask how is yunjin with yoimiya compared to her current teams?

And do we need kazuha for yunjin yoi to work

[sand sluice]

you don't need him but he gives you the most damage by far for anemo options in that comp

[modern blaze]

this also happens with gorou and noelle seems like a common issue with field buffs

[pallid prawn]

It wont happen with 5 star right since the burst animation is enough time for the buff to kick in

[sand sluice]

peeps insta burst with raiden all the time and she doesn't have any problems like that

so yeah

childe too

[vestal cipher]

Afaik this happens with itto, noelle is fine, https://www.reddit.com/r/IttoMains/comments/rmtc63/ittos_burst_bugged_with_gorous_abilities/

[modern blaze]

it does happen on noelle too
maybe it depends on ping and noelle's timing is more forgiving

[tardy thunder]

@modern blaze you would use LW over glad if you are doing plunges in addition to NAs

it would also buff your Es as well which glad wouldnt

[compact girder]

Continuing from my last point: Also Kaz can hold 4VV so added bonus damage to your swirls

[tardy thunder]

who would he be used in place of tho?

[compact girder]

Place of who?

Bennett?

I am confused

[primal kiln]

tbh instead of replacing bennet i would jsut use kazuha instead of xiao normal attacks and go pp

[tardy thunder]

need healer

[primal kiln]

i dont think kaz has place in that team

[modern blaze]

i dunno, trying to fit a pyro user to enable 4p LW is kinda hard

[tawdry lava]

i wanna know, how would we keep xiao ulting consistenly?

[tardy thunder]

fav weapons is the idea

[modern blaze]

benny kaz xiao ZL could work but now we don't have yunjin

[tawdry lava]

on every body?

[compact girder]

FavLing so far Acc to Noir

Maybe Kitain Xiao??

[primal kiln]

yeah if you wanna go AA xiao, I dont think using kazuha is a good idea

[compact girder]

Xiao Benny XL YJ seems to be the premise then

[modern blaze]

just go with 4p glad and ignore pyro imo
regular xiao builds 2p glad 2p VV/SR anyways you're not losing much

[compact girder]

But DBane has juicy bonus when attacking Pyro Aura

[tardy thunder]

could this work? @lofty karma

[lofty karma]

2 fav on bennett?

rotation pls

[modern blaze]

but low base atk and EM substat

[tawdry lava]

could also get kaz out and have geo reso, but i think that would be to rough on er

[primal kiln]

i think with albedo it wouldnt change much compared to kazuha

that is unless your kaz is holding fav

[tardy thunder]

idk if its achievable or not was thinking something like Bennet EQ >Fischl E>YunJin EQ>Xiao EEQ spam attack chain > Bennet E funnel at the end

[tawdry lava]

albedo instead of zhongli? but xiao really likes a shield tho

[primal kiln]

nah instead of kaz

[modern blaze]

im pretty sure ZL's anemo shred + shield is hard to beat in a xiao comp
then you also need a battery so probably sucrose, maybe jean if you really want a healer
and then last one would be yunjin, enabling geo res and buffing xiao NAs

[compact girder]

What else then, fucking VV?

[tawdry lava]

so what would be the team then?

[compact girder]

Vortex

[modern blaze]

ironically if you play xiao + ZL you're better giving VV to xiao and PJWS to ZL

[tawdry lava]

but you are out of bennett

[primal kiln]

probably xiao yunjin zhong and albedo and just stack fav on all of them

dunno if it will work tho

[modern blaze]

you have yunjin now

xiao comps are tight, it's hard to fit everything he wants in one team

[hearty thunder]

What about xq + fischl?

[tawdry lava]

yeah, but would her buff be enough to justify not having bennet

[tawdry lava]

i think xingqiu would be really cool

[primal kiln]

yeah the more i try to be creative with xiao teams, the more he ends up needing er

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder maybe you onto something with kazuha

[modern blaze]

i dunno
if yunjin wants a spot in a xiao comp she needs to beat benny's buff or the anemo battery's energy contribution

[tardy thunder]

xiao bennet yunjin kazuha

[hearty thunder]

Maybe just maybe Xiao can double swirl those ecs

[primal kiln]

ig not having zhongli wont hurt as much since you are not up in the air plunging all the time

so maybe we can actually think about not using zhongli

xiao yunjin albedo jean maybe

[tardy thunder]

could work maybe

[modern blaze]

but anemo shred? or maybe i'm overvaluing it

[tawdry lava]

if kaz uses fav in that comp imma cry cuz i have freedom sworn

[modern blaze]

maybe use anemo MC to battery + shred anemo instead of ZL

[primal kiln]

well no but you can repalce zhongli with a better sub-dps and compensate i think

[tardy thunder]

its only a 10% increase idk if its worth the spot

[hearty thunder]

Mono cryo Xiao?

For crit rate ig

[primal kiln]

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma ER sands xiao might not even be the worst thing ever since Yun Jin doesnt care about his attack

[lofty karma]

also what weapon

[primal kiln]

yeah but you dont get his q buff which is scuffed

[lofty karma]

homa DM or PJW?

or are we doing something weird

TF xiao?

[hearty thunder]

Huh

[tardy thunder]

Bennet EQ > Fischl Q/E > YunJin EQ(whatever combo gets her fav) > Xiao EEQ?

[tawdry lava]

but he does care about his attack xd

[tardy thunder]

DM if 4 star homa if 5 star

want as much CV as possible

[primal kiln]

how are you gonna AA on xiao and crit rate buff with using his burst

[tardy thunder]

xiao diona rosaria yun jin?

[tardy thunder]

wym

just attack

[hearty thunder]

I don't get it

[tardy thunder]

whats the issue

[modern blaze]

xiao c4 jean (anemo mc budget option) benny yunjin

[hearty thunder]

Yes

[primal kiln]

so you just dont use his burst at all?

[tardy thunder]

could work

[tardy thunder]

why wouldnt you?

im not understanding

[hearty thunder]

I was actually thinking chongyun for the atk speed and sht but there's no healer

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma maybe we actually do just use EL on Xiao actually

[primal kiln]

what i got from triple cryo is running xiao and chongyun together so he can use cryo infused attacks

[tardy thunder]

and not have to use so many fav weapons

[hearty thunder]

Meanwhile diona can prolly help with the em gain

[primal kiln]

if you use xiao q he is gonna do anemo dmg

so how are you gonna get more crit rate from freezing enemies

[lofty karma]

EL xiao would also work as its just a free 85 ER

[hearty thunder]

Resonance not bs

[primal kiln]

ooh

aight aight

my brain just farted there

[tardy thunder]

with EL Xiao he already has 96.1 ER under KQM standards before liquid subs, in addition to 27% atk from the passive

seems signifcantly better than an ER sands and gimping the team with fav weapons right?

fav weapon version for plebs without EL

[hearty thunder]

Me

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

this is a single fav + exile

[hearty thunder]

STOPPP

I'll prolly use dbane

[lofty karma]

I think the CV from homa is gonna be more than an ATK sands provides

[tardy thunder]

what if no exile?

[lofty karma]

though maybe EM sands

[tardy thunder]

you might be right

[tardy thunder]

does he get double swirls a lot?

[tardy thunder]

https://streamable.com/ruj28y also im gonna need help dissecting this video to determine what attack chain we would use on xiao

[lofty karma]

in plunga bunga? absolutely

in AA?

not so much

[hearty thunder]

Can't watch without downloading

[tardy thunder]

would need 2 ER subs on him with EL then. prob just use the exile and make energy better for the whole team

[lofty karma]

has sort of similar AA hitbox as tao

[tardy thunder]

EM sands prob pepega tho

how many ER subs did we need with fav plus exile? i forgot

[hearty thunder]

Ec swirls?

[tardy thunder]

with ER sands

[tardy thunder]

thers no hydro here

unless we replace bennet with kokomi

[hearty thunder]

My thought actually...

[tardy thunder]

which could work? she generates particles off field which is kinda good for xiao

wouldnt rlly be able to use ttds tho without cutting into yunjin uptime

[hearty thunder]

Give to fischl or sumn

[tardy thunder]

yeah, you could

lol

imagine thats unironicalyl good

theres so many possible ways to do this

[hearty thunder]

Em/crit Xiao hybrid

[tardy thunder]

so far possible ideas seem to be: Xiao Bennet Fischl Yun Jin

Xiao Diona Rosaria Yun Jin

Xiao Kokomi Fischl YunJIn

anything else?

[hearty thunder]

Xiao blizzard strayer?

[tardy thunder]

dunno if that would be better than VV

possibly lol

20 CR plus 14 from rosaria plus 15 from resonance kek

seems overkill

[tawdry lava]

what set would he use in those teams?

[tardy thunder]

not positive

[hearty thunder]

Possibly 4vv

[tardy thunder]

probably 4 VV in all of them

the EC one absolutely VV

[hearty thunder]

4vv

I don't have a good 4vv set

[tardy thunder]

same

time to start farming

[hearty thunder]

Right

Here we go again

[tawdry lava]

shit, i dont wanna touch that domain again

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma xiao diona rosaria yunjin. xiao bennet fischl yunjin. xiao kokomi fischl yunjin. which team sounds most potent ot you?

4 BS Xiao if the uptime on it would actually work would be hilarious tho lol if you have homa

[lofty karma]

wait wait.... what about xiao kokomi rosaria yunjin

[tardy thunder]

73 CR Xiao no weapon or circlet

[lofty karma]

BS xiao

[tardy thunder]

is this a 200iq

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

freezexiao?

would we rotate it?

bout to make me regret foddering my BS set...not that i have koko anyway

that could actually be 200iq

[lofty karma]

you could also XQ instead of koko

no TOM buff tho

but he does do more damage

[tardy thunder]

you would only have XQ for healing but might be fine with freeze

and if you arent plunging he wont shatter anyway

[lofty karma]

actually pretty sure plunge is heavy damage

[tardy thunder]

it is

but if you arent plunging

[lofty karma]

not 100% sure tho

[tardy thunder]

it wont matter

[lofty karma]

right

[tardy thunder]

it is

its also 4 rainbow

so you would have an additional 15% DMG reduction stacked with XQs

so it might actually work

idk what your freezeuptime would be tho rosaria only last 12s

prob just only stay on xiao for like 15s

swap off when rosaria ends and the last freeze wears off

lets simulate the energy

[lofty karma]

still needs an ER sands

[tardy thunder]

or EL

[lofty karma]

or homa

actually

EL might be better if we don't have bennett

[tardy thunder]

yeah

[lofty karma]

time to calc both

[tardy thunder]

the massive attack would make up for it

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

need to figure out the attack string

https://streamable.com/ruj28y help me dissect im bad at this

[lofty karma]

we got any taser xiao mains?

[tardy thunder]

not that i know of

honestly tho @lofty karma for the BS build double cryo should work just as good as freeze

cryo resonance is only 5 less CR than 4 BS

20+15 vs 20+20

not that diano is better than xinqiu

shenhe shouldve been a healer

then we could use her here

[lofty karma]

you did that just to post that gif didnt you

[tardy thunder]

figuring out what attack chain he should use is gonna be the hard part

[balmy remnant]

isn’t that’s just N1P, N2P, N3P, and N4P

[tardy thunder]

then figuring out what buff uptime to assume for now or just skip doing the actual calcs until release

[tardy thunder]

yes im trying to dissect which combo would be better

oh wait theres no NA only string there?

[hearty thunder]

I'm actually all for Xiao na strings now...

[tardy thunder]

let me see if i have a video saved with NAs only

[hearty thunder]

Might have to build my lvl 20 fischl

[tardy thunder]

https://streamable.com/z9n4e3 heres one from memu

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aB3XMmnG76nzGqidDE80ePfV78Aq_J2g2Y2aZkwm8MA/edit?usp=sharing was shared this sheet - which suggests that N3P would be the ideal combo if using Xiao Yunjin and that they dont think using them together is worth it, but they dont seem to be lookign at a broad scope of team possibilities like we are

also think this mightve been before the chagne to 12s yunjin

[hearty thunder]

Loving the thought of VV Xiao for some rzn...

Dbane Xiao specifically...

[hearty thunder]

Also it's using defender and husk

[tardy thunder]

oof

so id take their disclaimers with a huge grain of salt as they dont seem very relevant to current discussion

[hearty thunder]

It doesn't account for multi hit too I think

The string is condensed

[tardy thunder]

wait they also only have 1466 flat dmg buff from yunjin

thats way too low

[tardy thunder]

oof

[hearty thunder]

I'm actually gonna check the calc out wait

[tardy thunder]

oki

im bad at finding the fine print in other peoples sheets

[hearty thunder]

think they messed up another thing

they forgot to do (1+dmg bonuses)

now it looks like this variation is better than all plunge...

i might have to look all these up

but one flaw really changed sum sht

it's now for sum rzn closer to bennett's version

wait

actually nvm i think they were mistaken on all the dmg bonus mults

[tardy thunder]

so pretty much everything was calced incorrectly?

[hearty thunder]

might be

[tardy thunder]

oof

[hearty thunder]

22k dps is so low T_T

[tardy thunder]

yeah

[hearty thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_7Y5-mT_SYvHZQi6UwEfvBujcjjLIWmipnzny9aACY/edit?usp=sharing

i just copied the sheet but fixing the mults

the arrangement is so messy its driving me crazy

wait

[tardy thunder]

they also dont have any substats on yun jin at all

[hearty thunder]

so they are actually correct on the plunges

but they were highly wrong on the normals

and now the normals+plunges is closer with benny's version

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

even with super gimped yunjin buff?

did they count the multihits?

[hearty thunder]

oh gosh im confusing things

there's no mult hits yet

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

why is there mv/s

[tardy thunder]

wym

[hearty thunder]

im confusing it with the actual mults

in the sheet

[lofty karma]

[hearty thunder]

u know what im just gonna reference on another site for the mults

[tardy thunder]

maybe we should just try and create a sheet of our own for this comparison but idk where to begin

[hearty thunder]

they used the mv/s instead of the actual mults

[tardy thunder]

on everything?

[hearty thunder]

on the plunges only

[tardy thunder]

so the plunges are inflated then

[hearty thunder]

then the normals only has dmg bonus instead of (1+dmg bonus)

[compact girder]

What'd I miss?

[tardy thunder]

chaos

[compact girder]

....Mono Cryo Xiao....nvm

[tardy thunder]

Welcome to the side of TC where you see what goes down inside the laboratory before seeing the final product

[hearty thunder]

it is more fixed now

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

now how do i account for which is actually buffed and which is not

bcs the current calc is assuming all have yunjin buff

[tardy thunder]

no clue best we can do is guestimate based on frames for now i think until shes out

[hearty thunder]

10 second uptime on xiao?

[tardy thunder]

think it should be; his EEQ takes like 2s right?

[hearty thunder]

i need to find references

[tardy thunder]

https://streamable.com/z9n4e3#

https://streamable.com/ruj28y

[hearty thunder]

ill consider 2.5 for now

wait nvm it's actually 2sec wow

[tardy thunder]

not the worst thing ever

[hearty thunder]

are n5 and above dmg lose?

[tardy thunder]

i would assume so

his last multi hit is on n4

so i dont think theres any reason to go beyond that

[compact girder]

Imagine if this actually turns out to be just another pepecopium comp I fucking hope not though

Do we have sheets

[tardy thunder]

i deleted the ones i had before

ill start them over

but i think ill wait until shes out before sharing them publicly

so for now i think i just try to figure out what attack chain he do, how much buff uptime we guestimate, and which team we go with

[hearty thunder]

Cell R59 is the recent one i can come up with

that's including multi hit though

[tardy thunder]

Good multi hit is supposed to be counted

[hearty thunder]

n1 and n4 are both multi hits right

[tardy thunder]

Yup both hit twice

[hearty thunder]

just checking

[tardy thunder]

It’s the 33040 dps one?

[hearty thunder]

yes

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

tryna find a way to maximize the na hits

[tardy thunder]

That seems pretty good considering it’s with random arbitrary stat, not ideal set for the build, not ideal team for the build

And a scuffed YJ build

[hearty thunder]

i wanna say this is assuming full noblesse and ttds uptime but then again the other calcs are assuming the same so

[tardy thunder]

That would inflate things in favor to the calcs without Yun Jin

Since Yun Jin doesn’t use attack

[hearty thunder]

well

can you optimize the yunjin buff or sumn

[tardy thunder]

Wym?

What you need me to do

[hearty thunder]

actually nvm

idk too

[tardy thunder]

kek

is it possible to intentionally low punge with xiao to lower the amount of time he's in the air, to get more NAs in?

[hearty thunder]

ill check

check the one lower from the previous thing i asked u to check

is that increase good enough?

thats change N4+HP to N3+HP

i actually thought that N4+HP would win because it has more na hits

[mental ingot]

You can low plunge from any height after using E, but you have to use the airborne E.

[vestal cipher]

the bennett in that sheet is a little underinvested for a bennett, no?

[vestal cipher]

ah nvm, lv 90, talent lv 9, just c1 i guess

[hearty thunder]

maybe

im not sure i just copied this sheet T_T

[hearty thunder]

it somehow worked in your favor?

[tardy thunder]

hm?

[tardy thunder]

checking

[hearty thunder]

u can also check the one on the right

[tardy thunder]

the one to the right is showing N4 even tho the attack chain says N3

[hearty thunder]

it's n3 on the formula

[tardy thunder]

Ah ok

looks like its slightly higher with the stats used here but would scale better if the stats here were appropiate

btw at which point do you have YJ expiring here?

[hearty thunder]

exactly 10 seconds

usually after the na string without plunges

[tardy thunder]

so on 4N3, and 3N4?

Is the first plunge exactly when she wear off?

[hearty thunder]

wait

example
4 (N3 + HP), 1 (N1)
it after 1 (N1)

[tardy thunder]

ahh gotcha

is that a high plunge after every N3?

or after the last one?

also this could maybe work

[hearty thunder]

yes

[tardy thunder]

gotcha

wonder if it would be worth only plinging until after YunJin expires

so that you get as many procs of her as possible

[hearty thunder]

N1 +?P is lowering the dmg btw

gonna check n2

[tardy thunder]

wait wym?

[hearty thunder]

N1 + HP/LP variation is lower than N3/N4 + HP/LP variation

[tardy thunder]

Oh I see you added a variant where he just does N1s

Instead if n3/n4

[hearty thunder]

yes

thinking we can conclude that n3/n4 is the better variants

nvm cant conclude that

im now confused

someone suggest a string

[tardy thunder]

What happened?

[hearty thunder]

turns out the n1 variant is just close to the n3/n4 variant

and now they are all close

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

should i resort to mv based sheet?

[tardy thunder]

If they are all really close I’d go with whichever has the lowest amount of plunges maybe?

[tardy thunder]

Wym

[hearty thunder]

ill make a new sheet and just make them total mv rather than quantified ones

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p31bNe-J_9hrd7EPx8iIxSoTM7xPAHP64e_OW__H3-I/edit also I found this in Yunjin mains but it’s using an unrealistically low YunJin buff of only 800. Maybe you could make a copy and play with this instead?

[tardy thunder]

Or that

[hearty thunder]

why is there xiao + yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Wait wym

[hearty thunder]

they just directly plugged in yunjin buff as atk rather than flat dmg

[tardy thunder]

Oof

[tardy thunder]

Guess it’s plan C make your own MV sheet

Didn’t even catch that

Oh wait

They have it also as flat damage

Below

[hearty thunder]

oh

ill check that out

[tardy thunder]

They calced 2 variants one assuming it’s attack one assuming flat damage

[hearty thunder]

so they considered two situations

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

Reasonable

I think I’ll make a copy and play around with it myself too

Looks like they considered N3 spam and N3P spam

[hearty thunder]

N3 seems to be the most reasonable to me

[tardy thunder]

i agree

[hearty thunder]

ill just make an mv sheet after i wake up

[hearty thunder]

this is good but the assumption of the flat bonus is questionable

[tardy thunder]

what were the assumptions?

i havent looked too deep into it

[hearty thunder]

the 800

also the average assumes 50/50 rather, bcs there's no crit rate

[tardy thunder]

oh yeah

i talked to her about that

she said she was trying to be super conservative to not mislead people and she just used 800 as a guess

i explained to her unreasonably low that is tho

we can make copy and change the numbers how we see fit tho

i got her permission to play around with it

[tardy thunder]

hmm gotta figure out how to edit that then to correctly account for average damage

looks like you can just manually input the crit rate

[hearty thunder]

Are Icd hits literal hits (like it takes account the multy hits)

[tardy thunder]

yes

[hearty thunder]

I see

I'm tryna see how the Xiao swirl would go

Turns out all his aa are shared icd

[tardy thunder]

@hearty thunder i think she calced atk% wrong

forgot to do +1

can you double check if im correct on that?

[hearty thunder]

Not sure about that since

There's none to base from

Except an assumption

They could have made the atk% 110

So I didn't know what to make of it

[tardy thunder]

oh true

i cant tell if she counted multi hits or not can you @hearty thunder

Nvm looks like she did

[hearty thunder]

Yeah they separated the two hits of na

I'll look up Xiao frames per hit

[tardy thunder]

that seems like reasonable way to do it

[hearty thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PN0WgqENUfV8i5hnrz1BOEU56fk7m8FYlFXzFzrsS3k/htmlview#

Should I base the frames here or the og sheet I was referencing

[tardy thunder]

id go with the kqm ones

after playing around with the sheet from YJM it looks like N3D until YunJin expires would be ideal i cant figure out where they accounted for damage bonus tho but it shuld affect all combos the same either way

this is what it gives me - N3P slightly above N3D, both way above HP spam. If N3D until YunJin expires then start plunging after she expires would get you more YunJin stacks than N3P tho, that should be worth

[hearty thunder]

The Xiao q I think

[tardy thunder]

i edited it and it changed literally nothing

you can put the Xiao Q part to 0 and it wont change a single number

[hearty thunder]

Maybe they manually put the formula on each cell

Yup I calced it and it was the Xiao q

[tardy thunder]

how come mine doesnt change when i change that number then

what exactly do i need to edit to play with dmg bonus

[hearty thunder]

No i calced it separately

They prolly put the formula one by one I'm not sure

[tardy thunder]

i dont get it

[hearty thunder]

Can't edit on phone

What's the formula inside a cell in Xiao q?

[tardy thunder]

inside the Xiao Q cell?

there is no formula in there

[hearty thunder]

The cells below?

I'm just gonna do a brand new sheet bcs why not

Gonna sleep for now

[tardy thunder]

oki

thnx for helping

[tardy thunder]

im dumb the reason i didnt see dmg bonus was because i was on outside of xiao q table

[odd lotus]

Aight so I’m gonna work on v2 of my pike/phys yunjin sheet. Her AAs looked much faster in that promo stream so I’m hyped for the potential! Ideally once it’s done, I’ll just want to throw in new frame data once she’s released for v3. But I wanted to get some feedback for y’all!
I don’t have time / wrist stamina (rip carpal tunnel) to make a full on calculator but here’s what I was going to include:

• ability to put in your own artifact stats
• different cpike refinements (r1, r3, and r5)
• Homa and PWJS for comparison
• white tassle r5 def build for shits and giggles

Anything else y’all wanna suggest?

[balmy remnant]

you want me to count frames from stream?

[odd lotus]

Is the video 60fps?

[balmy remnant]

yeah

[odd lotus]

Ooo go for it! I don’t wanna use it for anything conclusive yet until release but I’m curious

[tardy thunder]

ok, for Xiao YunJin i have an idea - i think we just use sucrose, but dont try to run TTDS on her

give her sac frags and just build her pure EM sub dps battery

with 2-3 Es and a Q every rotation, with bennet here allowing her to swirl, she should do decent swirl sub dps damage

this is what im getting assuming you aren't able to funnel any of the particles to Xiao..cuz i dont yet know if you'd be able to rotate it like that

does that look accurate?

[balmy remnant]

this is all i could get

[odd lotus]

Awesome interesting

[mental ingot]

What if stream is at 70 fps?

[tardy thunder]

heres the rotation im thinking: Bennet E> Sucrose EEEQ/EEQ> Bennet QE > Yunjin EQ(whatever NAs thrown in needed to proc fav) > Xiao EEQ Optimal attack chain

thoughts?

[main wigeon]

Quick question - is Yunjin good with Kokomi?

[mental ingot]

No, most of 's damage is HP->DMG conversion, which doesn't amplify Yunjin's added damage at all. She also can't crit, so not a great driver other than a character that auto attacks a lot.

[timid portal]

how's xiaojin looking

[hearty thunder]

Uh

They are fine

Gonna eat then do some calcs

[timid portal]

[buoyant ridge]

I'm surprised people talk about Xiaojin here but not Yoijin

I guess xiaojin is more interesting?

[sand sluice]

because xiao rollers have been mad for some new tools

[vestal cipher]

There has been plenty of yoijin calcs already, search/scroll up

[timid portal]

cuz xiaojin sounds cool

[buoyant ridge]

I mean don't get me wrong, I've done Yoijin calcs myself, but I didn't think Xiaojin had any actual viability

Guess that's another team to calc

[hearty thunder]

xiaojin variants are dps xiaojin and vv xiaojin

[warm trout]

Is fischl/yun jin still looking decent after today's stream?

[timid portal]

wdym

nothing changed

[tardy thunder]

We talk about Yoijin

I’ve exhausted my brain out over Yoijin like 10 times over

[tardy thunder]

Check the questions I asked above

[hearty thunder]

question would be is bennett q < yunjin q

[tardy thunder]

You mean which you would use first?

Bennets lasts longer so I would assume you use it first

[hearty thunder]

in terms of strength

[tardy thunder]

Oh

[hearty thunder]

eh are they not the same duration?

[tardy thunder]

Bennet is 14s

She’s 12s

[hearty thunder]

oh

that's accounting for linger

i see nvm

[hearty thunder]

how does xiao a1 work?

nvm gonna ask someone

gosh idk how to start the sheet...

[hearty thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pEMSgETczrbNRtx9W0ZO7011uQadchGrBw9uyh7kU50/edit?usp=sharing

[mortal sorrel]

Has anyone done calcs for Keqing Yunjin? Does NA spam Keqing look viable?

[mortal sorrel]

I also am curious how 4 Shimenawa maths out on Keqing with Yunjin, since the set's damage multiplier gets applied to Yunjin's damage buff

[hearty thunder]

hmm

idk yet

but that's an idea

[noble marsh]

If I wanted to run Yunjin as main dps, would 4pc husk still be good? Or should I be running a 4pc pale flame or 2pc phys bonus

[hearty thunder]

I don't have any sheet but phys would be better

[hearty thunder]

idk if i can work out a xiaojin calc with numbers yet but all i have for now is for comparison of best string

[sand sluice]

how are things? I know that folks over at xiao/yunjin mains dismissed the combo already

[hearty thunder]

some of the calcs we've seen, there are many mistakes

simple mistakes that make the calc extremely inaccurate

there's this calc i derived from someone's sheet that made xiaojin comp somewhat equal to a bennett one

[tranquil egret]

so based on yun jin's talents, her BIS artif set is 4HoOD, HP-ATK-ER/DEF%-DEF%-DEF% right?

[sand sluice]

3 def main stats with as much ER as you can

[pulsar cliff]

#913132027371483226 message

The FAQ probably answers most of your questions

[tranquil egret]

thanks!! I always get def main stats on the HoOD domain and never cr and cd mainstats T.T

[sand sluice]

You'll want a lot of crit subs too for consistent fav procs

[gleaming cedar]

can Yunjin's buff further increase Kokomi's atks in her burst?

[hearty thunder]

Yes

But it doesn't crit

Dmg overload

Flat dmg overload*

[plain mirage]

How significant of a buff is the talent she has for mixed parties

[hearty thunder]

Not worth it if ur forcing the comps

But it is a nice boost

[raw nova]

does razor rosaria yunjin barbara sound good?

[compact girder]

Why barbara

[raw nova]

healer?

[sand sluice]

why not diano instead? To battery

[raw nova]

sure, *any healer, barbara/kokomi was for totm ttds aoe heal for corrosion with diff element

[compact girder]

Why not kokomi instead

[shrewd saddle]

It shouldn't be that much of a difference going with 2 eosf 2 husk compared to 4 husk on yunjin right?

[robust sequoia]

Is Yun Jin a good option for a Noëlle Gorou comp ? What would be better option ?

[night cliff]

Probably a good option against multiple enemies, if it is single target you need another driver

[tardy thunder]

You’re in luck then

[tardy thunder]

She should be

Have not calced it tho

[raw nova]

"barbara/KOKOMI" , i didnt mention her originally cuz she a 5 star and many might not have access to it, but yeah kokomi will def be better

[modern blaze]

only if you have gorou imo
albedo should be stronger if you have him but he's a 5*

[tawdry lava]

mono geo with noelle, yunjin, albedo and gorou should be pretty strong tho

[modern blaze]

absolutely
in fact that's what i want to run after getting her for free from lantern rite

just... don't try to go break elemental shields with that comp
yunjin is probably the first one to go once you need to start adapting your team to counter certain enemies

[tawdry lava]

i wonder if noelle could compete or beat itto with yunjin on the team

[plain mirage]

does her ult snapshot?

or no info

[vernal grotto]

Hello, which 5* DPS could take advantage of Yunjin's buff?
I mean, Yoimiya can, or even Eula for instance, but I don't find a good team to put Yunjin with them
Whereas for 4* we have Ningguang, Yanfei, Fischl, Noelle etc
Thank you very much !

[azure folio]

Childe - pshy dps zhongli

Ayaka might as well

But personally i like using ayaka with ca

[gray bison]

Hey. Any preliminary team dps calcs with yunjin? Is she any good?

[azure folio]

There are .. for yoimiya she pretty gud .. problem is creating a team around yoijin

[gray bison]

Could you share them?

[faint hornet]

Yun Jin is the best of the worst.

[azure folio]

Hmmm .. i personally dont have them myself ..but i guess Noir is the one that made yoijin calcs

So u can ask him to share all the sheets he did for various team comps

[gray bison]

Thanks!

Yoimiya is fun to play for me, wanted to see how good her dps was with yunjin, and cpyke users, compared to the current meta comps

[vernal grotto]

Childe's DPS is oriented on CA, so unless we have R5 Rust that won't be that good, plus Xiangling Bennett Sucrose/Kazuha is too strong to be changed

For Yoimiya I thought about something like Yoimiya Fischl/Beidou Yunjin Bennett, that means loosing one electro char to give to Yoimiya a bonus

But I'm not a theorycrafter so I do not know if that could be a good comp

[azure folio]

I can at least provide u a yoijin calculation video ..but i need to say .. that dud's calculation also adds kazu nd bennet iirc ... so make an overall guess for urself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyWvYH1n-P4

Its a bit long

But if u only want to see the numbers u can watch 10th 15th minute onwards

In first 10-15 min he talks about how yunjin buff works how its calculated etc

Pretty much "basic math for dums" class he doing ( perfect video for me indeed )

[tardy thunder]

?

[vernal grotto]

Could it be interesting to build Yunjin to deal damage via her parry? Like Beidou?

[red island]

very interesting

[vernal grotto]

Okay thank you!

[sour root]

Maybe im an outlier, but i prefer the idea of making the character excel at what they do and then bench them otherwise

I dont really obsess over yoimiya ST

[mental ingot]

I'm running +Yunjin when she releases and no one can stop me.

[vale furnace]

I'm running main dps yunjin and no one can stop me

[mental ingot]

Yunjin solo Energy Amplifier or riot!

[fallen crystal]

Are you guys actively farming the clam domain? Or just going to use random DEF artifacts on Yunjin?

[sand sluice]

I already have a r4 fav and about 30cr worth of subs waiting for her

triple def mainstats

[sour root]

At the moment im farming higher value domains for artis and just getting the mats together

I think it will be randoms for me until i have a good gauge how much resin I actually am willing to put in

If i have enough resin maybe ill try to lucksack a two piece

[modern blaze]

current DEF
does this mean she can't snapshot gorou buff?

[hearty thunder]

yes

that's the perception

[modern blaze]

that's kinda bad kills the gorou synergy

[hearty thunder]

always has been

[zenith widget]

i have not looked at yunjins kit in the slightest so woukd i go for a def goblet or geo damage bonus

[hearty thunder]

def

[zenith widget]

and for the crown?

[modern blaze]

def too
her burst uses the on-field character's stats to calc damage, so just stack def and ER on her

[zenith widget]

ah okay thank you !!

[hearty thunder]

how does benny ttds suc xiao yunjin rot go?

benny q, yunjin (e)q, sucrose 2e(q), xiao eeq?

and how does xiao a1 work

is the first stack obtained on q cast? after q cast iframe? 3 seconds after q cast? 3 seconds after q cast iframe?

[balmy remnant]

xiao would only have like 8-9 seconds of bennett, and also only 8-9 seconds of Yunjin buffs

[hearty thunder]

yeah so im trying to find a way to make things work

or should i just not bother using skills on sucrose, just make her stand?

[balmy remnant]

~11-10 seconds ish on both Bennett and Yunjin buffs, but that’s before EEQ which takes another like 2-3 seconds

[hearty thunder]

im just gonna assume that sucrose just stands

[balmy remnant]

that is with sucrose just standing

[hearty thunder]

i already assumed benny uptime on xiao's q as 10 sec, yunjin with 9

should i just scrap sucrose

she's messing with the rotation

[sand sluice]

can't we burst first with noelle and then switch to yunjin/ben?

for aoe situations anyway, since her burst gets extended on kill

[hearty thunder]

it is xiao not noelle

[sand sluice]

my mistake

[hearty thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I don’t think we use sucrose with Xiao Yunjin team

I think we use ER sands Xiao or EL Xiao

Btw I made a sheet that I’m not done with yet but feel comfortable sharing now

[hearty thunder]

yes...

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a3VACwjfodIQvR24R9OOpow6ZbIs5SQ-l1u2PtR-Vk4/edit

[tardy thunder]

Hmm?

[hearty thunder]

sucrose is so scuffed

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

[hearty thunder]

fav xiao

[tardy thunder]

I think we use sac sword Jean

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

im currently leaning to sub dps>bennett

[tardy thunder]

I agree

I’m even leaning to chongyun>Bennet

[hearty thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Bennets buff is incredibly small compared to Yun Jin’s for Xiaos NAs

I haven’t simulated things over a full rotation yet thi

But both of their buffs should have roughly the same uptime on Xiao anyway

Am thinking Zhongli would be better than bennet as well

[hearty thunder]

what is xiao's usual team dps?

[tardy thunder]

31k is what I got for Geobros

[hearty thunder]

hmmm

ill try to use homa as weap

[tardy thunder]

Xiao Jean Yun Jin Zhongli maybe

Or Xiao Jean Yun Jin Chongyun

[night cliff]

Can you add jean c4 just for fun?

[hearty thunder]

i made a dmg calc already but it's only 24k dps

[tardy thunder]

For his personal or team?

[hearty thunder]

xiao+jin

[tardy thunder]

What investment level?

And rotation time

[hearty thunder]

21 sec

idk how to describe investment lvl...

[tardy thunder]

[hearty thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pEMSgETczrbNRtx9W0ZO7011uQadchGrBw9uyh7kU50/edit?usp=sharing

what string are u currently using?

[sand sluice]

31k? wow no wonder he feels underwhelming

[hearty thunder]

2k yunjin mv seems too high

what're the stats?

[hearty thunder]

i changed from cd hat to crit hat and it went up by 2k

changed blackcliff pole to homa, additional 4k dps

will do an na-focused string tomorrow, calcing is dizzying

[tardy thunder]

Wym

You mean her buff?

You get around that much with 4 husk triple defense 6 defense percent subs and her 20% defense buff from constellation

[tardy thunder]

The more I look into Xiao YunJin the more I just want to look into better characters to pair Yun Jin with instead

Like, how damage looks fairly good with her, but…there’s not rlly anyone else on the team doing damage with him

[primal kiln]

thats the issue with xiao in general unfortunately

[radiant wagon]

wait hm

[vestal cipher]

if yunjin provides buffs competitive with bennet's, isn't that then a great way to free up bennett and get rid of circle impact?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[warm trout]

Does Yun Jin buff childes E attacks?

[azure folio]

u mean when he change stance with E !? yes it does cuz the attacks he does with E stance counts as Normal Attacks

[warm trout]

Oooh I always thought they didn't count but a friend mentioned it might be NA. Might try to build a Childe/Yun Jin comp then and save national for raiden

[gray bison]

That'd work, except Childe still needs Bennett for his buffed and vapd Q

[hearty thunder]

Eh I'm currently using that (except c4) and the buff is not enough to 6k

Are u using 4 distinct elements?

Even with 4 distinct and c4 I'm only getting to 1.8k

[warm trout]

Ah, that might be a problem. Maybe Childe/xiangling/Bennett and sub out kazuha for Yun Jin? Probably not worth the sub in that place

[sand sluice]

No way in hell can she outdo kaz, I have that same comp

[gray bison]

Yup, you're trading a buff to both Childe and XL to a buff to only Childe

You can say like trying to go Childe hyper with Childe yunjin kazuha Bennett

But other than that I don't see her working for Childe

[sour root]

It was my understanding that his NA in E stance was skill dmg

And his NA damage is riptide explosion on death and riptide from CA

I got that from someone here and never did the verification work

Im sure its in kqm vault somewhere

[tardy thunder]

I’m using 3. 58.3 times 3 plus 54 plus 37.2 plus 20 is 286.1% which time 734 base defense is 2833 defense plus 2 fixed flat defense subs is 2873. Then 71.82% of her defense for her buff is 2063

[tardy thunder]

False

[sour root]

Enlighten me

Like i said i got that info second hand

[tardy thunder]

Childes autos do not change to skill damage

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder also i got 3N5CD + N3 but you didn't see

[tardy thunder]

Ooh sorry I was making pizza

[balmy remnant]

yoooooo

pizza time

[tardy thunder]

Wait that’s actually really good

21 YunJin stacks

@balmy remnant did you try N3C too?

[sour root]

If thats the case, maybe shimewana on childe in that team?

[balmy remnant]

there's a lag between the CA for N5 so it took a couple tries because my N1C/J or N2C/J monke brain kept dashing too early

i'll try N3C rn

[tardy thunder]

What’s the team?

[sour root]

The one mentioned earlier. Childe, yunjin and two flex

[acoustic abyss]

probably kazuha and bennet

[sour root]

I think if u did that it would be a strict downgrade from xiangling though

[acoustic abyss]

yeah definitely

fun though

[sour root]

What about in a childe freeze team

[acoustic abyss]

but i dont think you can make a main dps childe that beats the xiangling comp even with yunjin

yeah blizzard strayer seems good

childe-yunjin-rosaria-kazuha

[sour root]

Freeze is his lowest dps common team

But maybe yunjin upgrades that team a bit

Not sure

Yoi team is the one that interests me most atm

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder 6N3CD + N1

[timid portal]

[tardy thunder]

Hmm so only 1 less NA but 3 more CAs than the N5 chain right?

[tardy thunder]

Can’t figure out who the last two would be tho

Childe Rosaria/Kaeya Diona Yunjin?

[sour root]

Lol

[tawny spoke]

Just put kaz with it

Or just dump both rosa and kaeya there

Ganyu too

[balmy remnant]

seems like it

[tardy thunder]

That’s prob better then

Hmm

[sour root]

A taser variant might work well also

[hearty thunder]

Are u using t10?

Oh right

[tardy thunder]

12

[hearty thunder]

U using c6?

I see where ur coming from now

I was using C0 so

[sour root]

I always use c6 for 4 star calcs

I feel like by the time u invest in all the artifacts talents, etc u have probably decided u like them enough to get more cons on the next banner they are avaialable

[tardy thunder]

^

Yup

[hearty thunder]

I invest on my 4 Stars even if they are c0

[sour root]

Yea thats fine, but u probably wont leave the. There

[hearty thunder]

Those who I usually use are barely having consts...

[tardy thunder]

I do too but I know I’m gonna plan to get their constellations if they are a character I use frequently

[hearty thunder]

Say gorou, he is dodging me

[sour root]

If i dont think they are worth a c6, I probably just wont build them at all

[hearty thunder]

Xingqiu, I'm only at c1

Etc etc

[sour root]

If u plan accordingly, targeting cons doesnt require too much effort

[tardy thunder]

^

[mental ingot]

Requires RNG, though.

[hearty thunder]

Yes

[mental ingot]

Luck issue.

Difference in luck.

[hearty thunder]

Whale

[mental ingot]

No u.

[hearty thunder]

🐳

[mental ingot]

[hearty thunder]

[sour root]

Its also easier the longer you play

Atm the only 4 stars that will need cons on my account are ning, gorou, yunjin

[tardy thunder]

All geo

[hearty thunder]

[nova parrot]

Sorry if this has already been considered, but is the possibility of yunjin running Petra something to consider since yunjin double dips the additional dmg% that Petra provides an elemental carry?

[acoustic abyss]

its a possibility but 4 piece husk is better for her Q buff, and you will only be using her with units who want their normals buffed

it'll get better if you are using her in a team with multiple units of the same element

like Yoimiya-Xiangling-Bennet-Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

One of my main gripes with Petra is it only lasts 10s so it doesn’t even last Yois full duration

While husk you don’t have to worry about any uptime or trigger requirements or anything

[hearty thunder]

what's desired dpr for xiaojin team comp?

at least decent?

40k+

[sour root]

😅

Geo teams havent enticed me fully yet

Im coping for iansan

[mortal sorrel]

Has anyone done math on Yunjin Keqing yet?

[tardy thunder]

Don’t think so

I wanted to but Keqing weird 5s infusion duration made me not want to

[mortal sorrel]

that's fair, it sounds awkward

[obsidian pollen]

Heya I was asking myself if it was worth going for c3 Yunjin or even c4 like will i lose a lot of buff i don't get those constellations?

[timid mirage]

Do y'all think Yunjin cope character or is she gud

[tacit zodiac]

she opens up new character builds

[tardy thunder]

I think she’s the best post release 4 star we’ve ever gotten

Also do you guys think Thoma might finally have a place he really shines it’s Yoi YunJin?

I think he might…not sure how well he will compare to zhong tho

But if we really need a shield I’m wondering if Yoi Thoma Xinqiu Kazuha would work

Would Thoma be able to be played like a sub dps alongside her vaping with her, or would he steal vapes?

[compact girder]

Thoma’s damage is uhm….

[hearty thunder]

He's supposed to be a shielder there

[compact girder]

.

[mental ingot]

The ult waves are immediately in front of the character, so just stand a bit further away with Yoimiya.

[winter steeple]

Doesn’t sound optimal

[hearty thunder]

Pure pyro

[mental ingot]

Fun > optimal.

[sour root]

I feel like if u go thoma, pure pyro might be the better move

[tardy thunder]

I’m not asking it to be amazing Xiangling level damage

I’m just asking him to provide shield while also providing some damage of his own to the team as well

Cuz thing I don’t like about shielder is they never bring any damage of their own to the table

[sand sluice]

the funny thing is pure pyro is actually competitive

nga recently held a dolphin investment tourney and pure pyro tao won over the usual vape/melt variants.

[tacit zodiac]

what was the comp

[sand sluice]

ht/xl/ben/kaz, recognized as a nat variant.

[primal kiln]

everything that has xl in it is nat variant nowadays

[sand sluice]

A sec, gonna link it.

[crystal flame]

Yeah, poor thoma
I like his character looks but he probably only has a slot in teams in either new player or really F2P that fucked up their pull strategy
Zhongli being so confortable and giving some damage is so good for non perfect team, want to see how a 2-3 char combinaison does? use ZL to test it
and either Bennett or Xiangling is nearly always at least usable as a 2nd pyro or just for what they bring themselves buff or needed AoE
Yoi Jin is basically the best case scenario for him to be usable so we'll see if he sees some more uses from players but now that the other team options includes Mono Geo, Taser sucrose, Hu Tao (or other pyro) vape, freeze, morgana, maybe pure cryo coming
all those free up Bennett, ZL and/or Xiangling so I'd say thoma is at best a temporary character for some account

[vocal pond]

guys, can I ask something related to yunjin's weapons here?, since there's no perfect weapon for her, and since she only basically needs defense and er, can, kitain work for her?, its basically 24 plain energy for her 60 energy burst, meaning you just need to get 36 throughout the whole team rotation, could that be achieved through er subs?

[sand sluice]

http://bilibili.com/BV1bm4y197gt 103s

all chambers on one side

[crystal flame]

That shouldn't be a national but just a Pure pyro or mona pyro without ZL

oh you actually said that just up

I don't know why maybe how they move and pure pyro just has way better middle range AoE radius than vape Tao
But I also got WAY better result with pure pyro Klee and pure pyro Hu Tao than geo bro vape tao this abyss and the one before

[primal kiln]

pure pyro is actually very stronk i really wonder why it isnt as popular in community like national

i personally got better results than national with pure pyro comp

[hearty thunder]

I like pure cryo

If only they make a cryo bennett

But I don't actually want that

To happen

[sand sluice]

Same tourney but ht vape can only get up to 155s

[sand sluice]

http://bilibili.com/av422586137

[crystal flame]

Raiden teams just overtook it's popularity, so now it's mostly Raiden national or Raiden hyper on one side and whatever people have left on the other than doesn't use Bennett who is core to most pure pyro

[primal kiln]

oh yeah you are right however i think pp can match the power of raiden national

maybe its even better but i dont have any calcs to back it up so eh

[sand sluice]

http://bilibili.com/BV1bP4y1H7du hyper raiden took first place with 50s in all chambers

[tardy thunder]

It might but we will need to see how it works out on her when she’s out

I find it hard to say on Kitain cuz energy drain

[primal kiln]

let me check thanks

[tardy thunder]

But I don’t see it ever being better than an actual ER weapon

[hearty thunder]

Fav better bcs more energy foru everyone

[primal kiln]

well thats certainly better than what i expected lol

[vocal pond]

was taking the energy drain into account, thats wy 24 plain energy, also, im mainly asking cause I only have r1 fav and that would be a lot of rng on top of needing crit subs

[sand sluice]

basically the rules were

Limited 5s < 5, Total 5s < 7 (including constellations, weapons, refinements).
Single run of entire floor 12 first half, all three chambers.
Must pick the worst abyss buff cards at each chamber for the team being played.

[primal kiln]

in raiden hypercarry run im assuming they didint absorb pyro on kazuha to not overload the doggos

unless there is something different im missing

then in ruin mobs making kazuha overload would make it even better in team dps

[vocal pond]

also, in leak-faqs it says husk or petra depending on comps?, where would petra be better?, I plan to use her mainly along yoimiya

[tardy thunder]

I wrote that line before the YunJin buff to 10s

Now that she’s 12s I’m not sure I’d advise Petra anywhere over husk

Since you’ll always get husk for the full 12s but never Petra

[tacit zodiac]

if only you can crystallize anemo

[hearty thunder]

They should have made geo and anemo elements that stay on the character but if any of the 4 elements are applied, it replaces the geo/anemo

[random cloud]

Hi, just want to ask if Xiao NA with Yunjin a decent team?

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder

[night cliff]

ban 50 cv emblem feather

fodder it

[hearty thunder]

Is 30k dps on xiaojin enough for u?

[random cloud]

I don't know the existing dps of existing xiao teams though

[sand sluice]

anything close to 50k is considered really good I think

30k is with xiao/yunjin only right?

[gray bison]

60k is top tier

50k is good

Afaik

Raiden is 60k

itto is 50k

[hearty thunder]

[hearty thunder]

Yas

But the other teammates are only Bennett and zl

I can replace zl

Should I?

[sand sluice]

Have you tried VV driver xiao by chance?

[hearty thunder]

I am planning to calc

But who should I put

Naxiaonal?

[primal kiln]

albedo maybe

xl would take time to feed particles

[hearty thunder]

If VV driver albedo is not a candidate

[primal kiln]

ah vv driver

fischl could work ig

[hearty thunder]

I can however replace zl with albedo here

[primal kiln]

thats what i suggested

[hearty thunder]

I am thinking of doing ec xiao

[primal kiln]

ec xiao with fisch and xq right?

[hearty thunder]

Yah intensifying only

[hearty thunder]

Xq is a good candidate but here's no healer

Maybe minimal heal but not sure if it's enough

But I can make it work

[primal kiln]

yeah ig you have to play in god mode to not die in that team

you could use kokomi but then you are losing the time you could be on xiao, driving the other characters on the team

unless you dont use kokomi burst

[hearty thunder]

Usually kokomi burst is used as e extension

Rather than actual field time

[primal kiln]

oh so we could use kokomi?

[hearty thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

I don’t wanna say for sure until he’s out and it’s tested

[tardy thunder]

Here’s how I see it - below 40k is mid, 40-50k is above average, decent. 50-60k is good/great. 60k is top tier

@lofty karma do you think we can make TF Yoi with YunJin work

If we run high enough er on the other 3 to burst on 15s rotation and run characters with low enough field time to fit it into 15s

Yoi Zhong Fischl YunJin

Tho I guess question then becomes if bennet would provide more damage than Yun since he would double into both yoi and fischl

[night cliff]

Why would you need to do that tho

Because you lose 2s of yunjin burst?