Yunjin Thread

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at 15s it would have worked great (assuming we somehow make shenhes energy work)

provides almost as much shred as rosaria but a better ult

sadly it was not meant to be

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How is her ult better?

Shenhes doesn’t buff CR

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normal attack buff maybe?

seems less impressive compared to Rosa's crit boost and better ease of use

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Shenhe only buffs cryo damage I thought

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shenhe E buffs normal/charge/plunge on hold E

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But it has to be cryo damage I thought

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i think she buffs all normals

its a passive, not her E

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Ah

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oh and its on her E not Q

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Is 15% dmg bonus really better than 12 CR tho

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i think Rosa gives 15% crit rate if you have her with enough crit rate

and yeah i'm not sold on Shenhe for a physical comp...

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15% is if she has 100 CR

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she gives herself 12

so you can get away with 88

or 73 with cryo res

but yeah getting the full 15% wont happen often

still i agree I think Rosa's lower cost burst and lower CD skill makes her a lot easier to use

for this silly comp idea

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Cryo res doesn’t work like that

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yeah that makes sense actually

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yeah, 20CD shenhe is what made it not work sadly

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a friend send me this vid he found for Yoijin comp .. he details how Yunjin's Q works-how "calculating" is done (you can say that he litterally doing a "class for dums" way of teaching ) .. but its pretty step by step calculation he is doing .. true or not i cant judge it myself .. but thought it was pretty well done nd wanted to share for anyone that wanna watch it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyWvYH1n-P4

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Isn't the TLDR = Flat ATK that doesn't scale with your multi but scales with reactions/crit/%damage?

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*added damage like zhongli's HP dependent additional damage

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People have been saying that Favonius with crit circle will be a good weapon for Yunjin, but how will it work with a lower refinement Favonius? She only has a single hit on her E as far as I know, which already lowers the chances of her getting a crit or fav proc on it, and you probably don't want THAT high of crit rate in order to get other stats. Just seems like a slightly volatile strategy, though maybe the idea is to get enough ER to where you only need the Fav proc every other rotation

and I know you can do autos with her to proc it, but it seems a bit unreliable

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the most optimal is triple def with enough crit subs to use fav reliably

also fav lance procs on normals too

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Skyward Spine

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Relying on favonius will be bad, starglitter has more ER

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Is Yunjin Noblesse bad?

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Ehhhhhh its,,,okay but she has better options

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prototype starglitter

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Just until they release a weapon tailored for her

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Yes

Very bad

You lose a ton of stats by not using husk

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Gonna wait till release to do full build calcs for each level of fav

from the looks of it (minor feelscraft alert) r2-3 fav + crit circlet>starglitter + er sands and r4+ fav gets to run DEF/DEF/DEF

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it doesn't look it, but fav is that weapon
much like XQ can abuse a R3 sacsword like no one else can

yunjins teams have incredible energy issues, largely stemming from not having any good energy sources

most teams I calc with her end up having 2 fav weapons + an exile set just to function

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Does yoi wants shimenawa if you run her with yunjin?

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So far we have yet to find a team that could ult yoi every rotation without shime, so yes

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Oh are you talking about 15sec Yun Jin + yoi yeah that is going to need all the energy but if you are in 20 sec rotation with xingqiu that is in sac sword and funnel the 2nd E from his E Q E into YJ isn't enough?
Yun Jin is already at 2840~def 240~ ER with triple DEF (kqm standard obviously have to farm some for that for people that farmed husk and didn't fodder blindly it shouldn't be too far fetched)
Talking about buff only oriented Yun Jin obviously

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This is that team with 3 fav weapons

as you can see yoi is not realistically hitting 200 ER to burst every rotation

forgot to set orbs back to 3 sorry

175 is still unreasonable though

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Solo pyro problems

And that's without shime right?

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thats without shime

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Yeah yoi isn't getting her burst in shime uh

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What about mono pyro instead of vape?

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for shime + burst every other rotation she can get away with 147 there

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Don't think it's worth to try and force it, her E will fade before xq burst and it'll make it difficult to vape pyro?

[lofty karma]

mono pyro is more promising

[crystal flame]

Vape is pretty busted and makes EM stats not wasted but pure pyro has been really strong for me at times,
What are we talking about?
Yoi Bennett, YJ, kazuha?

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With mono pyro only kazuha would be the off field DMG I guess, so triggering her Q isn't easy

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Yoi Bennett xl Yun Jin should be pretty brainded and smooth to play

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this is no shime 1 kaz E
yoi yunjin bennett kaz

yoi ulting every other rotation

XL may be better damagewise is kaz can't work

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36s on other char too?

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right

After changes

every other ult with shime

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Kazuha

Probably ER weapon in that case

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and honestly at least vs bosses

AMC may not be that much worse than C0 kaz

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Personal damage gap is Gonna be huge

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It is, but that's a lot less relevant on hyper teams

but you can see here
2 fav weapons + exile set

and the team still barely has reasonable ER reqs

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That’s higher than what I had the same team calced at for energy

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I have 1 kaz E

to make it fit in 18s

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Who has exile?

Bennet?

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bennett

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So no 4NO

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@lofty karma one thing I’m wondering is if we use venti would Yoi be able to ult every rotation

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hmmm

yeah I guess since yoi hits in ult anyways

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Dunno if Yun Jin can tho

So might have to use venti after her

Idk how much field time he takes

Give Yun Jin hold E

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with hold E yunjin can probably manage with 2 husk 2 eosf

maybe

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Why couldn’t Mihoyo have just made yoi a battery

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Are we gonna give venti a favbow?

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Yes

Looks required

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fav sword on benny
fav bow on venti
fav lance on yj

[tardy thunder]

Also Venti refunds 15 energy to himself

With ult

Iirc

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not on geos

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yoi might be able to burst every rotation with venti

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Gib fav venti

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yunjin tho

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There we go

That works

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you gonna calc this one out?

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Would be tomorrow

Would venti go adc or triple em?

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EEC?

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Yeah probably

For fav

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oh he can proc fav no problem

but because of bennett

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What’s the rotation?

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How long does venti usually take?

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Idk I don’t have him

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Don't have him so don't know myself

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Is yungguang the only team that doesnt run a shit ton of er on yun jin

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yeah

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Well Ning is a battery herself

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what would team be?

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For what

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gorou bennett yunjin ning?

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Noir has done 2 variants

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or something like that?

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Yes that

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I wish Gorou did actual damage for Ning team sub dps

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Theres a zhong variant too

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Are you running dps gorou

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Yeah or zhong instead of Gorou

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I said I wish he did good damage so he could help contribute to the team damage

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Oh

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Ning does a lot of damage in Golden Opera but she’s like the only one doing damage there

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I had suggested him to do DPS gorou before

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780k dpr

Its ok ig

And yun jin might have decent counter dmg too

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Fair, I never got around to facing the full team

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I dont think gorou’s dmg would be nonexistent there either

I guess er/crit/geo build is fine

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Yeah maybe not

Let me check the ER

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Gorou goes favbow er crit geo

Yun jin can go DM i guess

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Maybe he can use a defense sands if the energy need is low enough

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Yeah

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If fav Zhong is the 4th Gorou need 176 ER Yun Jin 135

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also benefit to venti
you can do whatever combo you want if they can't reach you

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If bennet you need 229 on Gorou 178 in Yun

If fischl is 4th you need 201 on Gorou and 154 in Yun

I think fischl might be better there than bennet

Lower energy need for everyone, gives you plenty of crystallize up time for your shields, and does a lot of damage

Tho if Yun Jin Q doesn’t snapshot idk If Gorou is even worth

@compact girder maybe Ning bennet Yun Jin fischl

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Can we make XQ work?

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accidentally put ning in instead

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Where does that 12 on xingqiu coming from

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Can we?

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c6

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C6

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C6

?

I see

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Looks like Yoi ain’t ult every rotation sadge

Would XQ be enough protection with venti there?

I still wonder if Koko is enough hydro for Yoi to get all her vapes

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if every other rotation

though I don't think it'll work to VV pyro

not with just yoi w/ no burst

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with no refund 101%

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Back to bennet then

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Oh yeah you left out venti here

On yoi

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this is venti and SR cancelling each other out

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Ooh

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We really need someone who has yoi and Koko both

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I do

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To test if Koko is enough hydro for VapeYoi

Test it

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but I'm leaving yoi at level 1

at least until I 36 star abyss with level 1 yoi

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If she works that will solve all our problems of the vape team not having any heal or shied

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That shouldn’t stop you from testing this tho no?

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Ping me in 8-9 hours and I can test that Koko yoi

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Just need to see if she’s enough hydro app

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have you tried not dying with a level 1 char?

ZL shield is not helping that

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Have you tried downing a ruin guard?

Or a Regisvine?

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look at my name

then ask that question again

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Even I can down a ruin guard

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[tardy thunder]

What about a Regisvine?

Just have Koko down the pyro Regisvine

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Were you not in chat to watch me fail at downing a ruin guard 5 times in a row testing itto?

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Oh

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ZL shield is enough to do masanori, given how slow he is, but I'm not on PC right now

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I saw that

Was so confused at wtf I was watching

So I left the stream

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But yeah just use the pyro Regisvine

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Tested quickly on mobile, the jellyfish is more than enough to keep hydro in the target, the vaporize doesn't seem to consume all hydro gauge and the next tick reapply it fully... The hard part is keeping the mob in the jellyfish range

Unless masanori is special

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how big is jelly range compared to bennett circle?

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AEFwLH-jVL4cyvx4jXaSDqO4aOKKuFfLMOG_533DUmM/edit?usp=sharing @tardy thunder

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Pretty much Bennett size I think, it's slightly less than Chong Yun if I'm not wrong Haven't looked really close

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for reference, checked every cell and fixed all errors

cant think of a gd vape rotation in aoe yet

looks like Yun Jin will be stuck with Yoi forever

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Says 2 target AoE mod. Does that mean you have every single character aoe mod?

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Other way around

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Did kaz carry yunjin ever get calced?

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oh wait xl isnt in aoe lemme fix that

but ya

smol aoe isnt counted tho

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Yes

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for example fischl E has aoe but i dont count that

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was it any good?

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its like impossible in practive

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I’m a bit confused how you did AoE still is this in per target damage?

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Remember how we had the issue of it not working with XL on the team?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M-Ibea9q0ZliEriOYce3m80HfSm6pMapFWmwAZb5e0k/edit

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We could just replace XL with XQ

right?

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aoe is fixed, its not per target its total

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make kaz vape his hits

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PP Yoi beat Fireworks Yoi tf

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If you wanna be the one to count that I won’t stop you

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With or without Yun Jin?

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no

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I didn’t see Yun Jin on there

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its for comparison with your calcs

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An

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is yours total or per target?

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Mine are in per target

So makes it hard to translate to comparison to yours

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ill change it then

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so 15 double swirls on one enemy= 30 total swirls but ya only use 15 right?

also is Yoi's dmg halved?

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Halved?

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if her dmg isnt halved then Ya are calcing total dmg

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cos 2 enemies so Yois target dmg is halved due to her being st

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There’s nothing to halve I do not understand

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I assume 2 enemies for proper comparison with Beidou

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I just don’t use AoE mods

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yours is ST then

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No it isn’t cuz I use double swirl

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then the sheet is kinda off

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Off of what?

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if per target dmg everything ST should be halved

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That doesn’t make any sense

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if total double swirl should account for both enemies

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wat are are calcing is Dmg to a single target (that Yoi is targeting) not total dmg

but not per target dmg either

cos ya are finding the higher end of that dmg

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She’s doing X amount of damage per rotation to each enemy she hits, aka per target

But cuz she’s mostly ST she’s only gonna have one target

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but its there is 2 enemies the dmg is havled

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No it isn’t

That doesn’t make any sense

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since X amount to 1 enemy and 0 to the other

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Wat

That’s silly

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so wat i find the higher end of dmg per target?

3 beidou ticks for targeted enemy

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I don’t know what that means

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said everything that needs to be said

im not exactly sure how to follow your standard

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I think hes trying to calc in primary target

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with Beidou

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Is that KQM standard?

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idk

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KQM doesn’t have a standard for AoE mods and such

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60k dps for international was calced with primary target in mind?

or per target

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Who calced international at 60k?

🤔

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example

how would someone calc international with KQM standards in mind

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Level 90 characters at 9/9/9 talents and 20 liquid subs

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Ig ill stick to primary target then, i do disagree with it tho

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I don’t even know what that means

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3 ticks on Beidou should be right for that

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primary target is incredibly biased towards ST comps

[tardy thunder]

Wym by 3 ticks?

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its the way ya are calcing

in practice the one hit by Beidou first gets hit by 3 bounces

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basically you assume AOE scenario, but only calc for the single unit you are attacking

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in 2 target situation

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I calc DPR and don’t halve damage or multiply damage for X amount of enemies

Because AoE mod is such a variable thing

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thats the primary target so i use 3 ticks

[winter steeple]

it dps on the atk

kazuha is rlly multiplying by 2

Bennett Q on the other hand

might as well be st

[lofty karma]

primary target is by far the easiest to calc, but AOE is a lot more fair

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for comparison ill use the same standard

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It’s such a variable thing tho

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lemme just edit the sheet

[tardy thunder]

Like what AoE mod am I supposed to give Klee if I do that

What AoE mod Diluc

What AoE mod albedo

What AoE mod bennet

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AOE mod testing was supoose to find that

[lofty karma]

for primary target you only calc for the damage of a single enemy

[tardy thunder]

That’s such a variable thing that Is also heavily dependent on the content

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but its discontinued so

[lofty karma]

but you get to assume there is another close by

for swirls/beidou etc

more or less, exactly what you've been doing

It's an incredibly biased system, but at least it doesn't melt your brain

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AoE mod is also biased if you ask me

Like of course if I double xiaos damage but halve everyone else’s it’s gonna make him look insane

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you're either doubling his, or halving everyone elses
not both

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And then you’ll have problems of people not agreeing with the level of AoE you give certain characters

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^

[tardy thunder]

Oh that makes a lot more sense

But what do you with characters that have good AoE but not true AoE

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ok edited it to match yours, both PP and Fireworks lose to Yunjin

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#881426504930717706

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It’s too variable

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by like 12k

dps

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That’s for the team dps?

How much team dps did you have those two at?

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45k

PP is quite close

like 100 dps diff?

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Do you think it would be different if I converted my calc to the AoE way you calced?

Or prob still about the same?

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quite different i think

would jump to 61k dps

for both

im sure Yunjin still edges out tho

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For mine? Or for fireworks and PP?

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but just not as much

[lofty karma]

fireworks and PP

[tardy thunder]

Is that what they were at before? I don’t remember seeing that on the sheet

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oh i forgot aoe mods then

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and also the more I think about it
venti is probably just better than kaz because he eliminates yois AoE issues

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for a couple of things

like fishcl Q is guaranteed 2 targets

but i forgot

haha

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Yoi has aoe?

huh

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she doesn't

that's her problem

except her ult ofc

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sadge got me hyped for a moment

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Btw Sigurd what weapon is that that you have on Yoi

And everyone else

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tp

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Ah

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aquila on benny, should all be high end

[tardy thunder]

Spine beidou harp fischl?

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stringless fischl

and yes

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noir had skyward on benny

if updating to match yours

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Ya

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he needs to change that

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i can change it to skyward but the ER kinda useless

[winter steeple]

@worn saffron

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@winter steeple so if I want to convert mine to same AoE as yours would I just need to like double Kazuha damage since he’s got near guaranteed AoE?

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To compare with the 61k of total dmg with fireworks/PP then yes

That should be it

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Which of my Yoi sheets were you comparing to?

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All

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No real need to change it since I alr changed mine to match yours

Ya can still do it to see total dps tho

[tardy thunder]

Am curious what would change

I think for future reference I’ll start adding a page on my sheet with AoE mods factored in, and another for pure ST

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Tbh I’m starting to think primary target is fine as well

[tardy thunder]

But trying to figure out what AoE mod is reasonable for each character would be a pain

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It gives the dmg done to a single enemy of 2 which is as useful as pure ST and total dmg calcs

[tardy thunder]

Idk wtf is happening

For some reason doubling kazuhas damage is taking my total damage from 1m to 1.6m even tho it should only be going up by like 150k

Ok I fixed it

I get 58k team dps if I do that

On my PP version

Yoi Kaz bennet Yun

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Quite similar dps I would say, 61k is assuming near perfect execution(and not too aggressive ai)

[tardy thunder]

Dunno how much Aquila bennet would increase it by

How big is Aquila bennet buff?

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1140? Idk

[tardy thunder]

I too lazy to change him to Aquila and see what changes

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It should drop to around Yunjin if Yoimiya can’t do consistent N5s and/or pyronado misses a tick

[tardy thunder]

If even with AoE mods given the Yun Jin one is still equivalent to the other two I feel like that kinda makes it the better team tho cuz the other two teams would fall off pretty hard in ST I think but the Yun one won’t

So it strong enough for both ST and AoE the ST damage so high that it’s keeping up even in AoE

Would you agree with that @winter steeple

[winter steeple]

Totally 🙂

[tardy thunder]

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Time to c6 Yunjin now

[tardy thunder]

Plz don’t be in Shenhe banner

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Anything else is fine?

[pallid prawn]

Didnt she already got leak on shenhe first banner

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I don’t want Ganyu

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I don’t want any 5 star in 2.4

[tardy thunder]

Same tbh

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Xiao?

[pallid prawn]

And xiao same as shenhe

[tardy thunder]

I might depending on how good Xiao Yun Jin turns out

I need to calc that all over

But I keep fucking forgetting the NA counts for him

Even tho I was given them like 3 times

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[tardy thunder]

If there’s a zhong rerun and she’s on it tho

Take my fucking money

Reminds me I still need to calc Pikeli

I might do zhong bennet Yun Jin Rosaria for the Pikeli team I calc

Or fischl instead of bennet?

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theres no point doing aoe mod stuff it doesn't achieve anything since its so subjective

[tardy thunder]

Idk

[tardy thunder]

I agree

[abstract night]

as you mentioned, is the goal to make xiao look better on a sheet?

i mean whats the point of that lol

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

I feel like with the way I do it, people looking at the sheet can decide for themselves how much that damage can go up by in practice with AoE

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Other ppl also calc with a primary target as the norm?

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yeah i mean even the concept of sustained calcs are flawed enough as it is, i dont think its good to make them even more flawed on top of that

[tardy thunder]

I’ve never even heard of this halving/doubling thing before today

[abstract night]

i think primary target is also pretty questionable

since it just causes confusion

[tardy thunder]

How else is there to do it tho

[abstract night]

like we now have tons of people citing sukokomon doing 64k in single target

[tardy thunder]

64k is AoE for that team I thought

Pretty sure Terra said it’s like 50-55k st

[abstract night]

its the aoe per target dmg

[tardy thunder]

64k aoe

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that

[abstract night]

idk what they got for st

[tardy thunder]

But if you don’t agree with primary target either what other way even is there to calc?

[abstract night]

but a lot of people are taking that number home and assuming mathmateically sukoko is gonna out dps hu tao in a boss fight which causes confusion

[tardy thunder]

Oof

[abstract night]

i think u just do st calcs and leave them as it is. its already flawed enough

[tardy thunder]

Is that not also flawed?

[abstract night]

they're not meant to be the word of god anyway. just insight into how much dmg a team can do

[tardy thunder]

True

[abstract night]

i think teams in that 50-60k are clearly strong enough mathwise to the point where u look at gameplay differences after

and unique things

[tardy thunder]

I agree

[winter steeple]

Feels bad all current Yoimiya comps is like 45k dps

[tardy thunder]

YunJin

[winter steeple]

Oh ya

[abstract night]

if a team is around 40k then sure its probably weaker to the point where there may not be enough qol gameplayplay wise to put it on the same tier. but 50-60k teams sure u can then subjectively talk about things like grouping, good/bad aoe etc.

[night cliff]

Mathematically speaking what's the highest team DPS on paper calculated until now? C6 r5 5* no restrictions

[tardy thunder]

Chad Yun Jin: “I consistently make Yoi teams do high dps regardless of amount of enemies”

[tardy thunder]

No clue

[night cliff]

[tardy thunder]

At that point you’re looking at damage per screenshot

Not damage per second

[night cliff]

Any team

[winter steeple]

The enemy Hp amount /seconds of rotation

Since they 1 rotate it

[night cliff]

When infinite hp training dummy

[winter steeple]

Infinite dmg soon?

[tawny spoke]

I can tell u I can have a feasible Godly invested unit at the realm of fantasy

Dpr is at 3mil

Thats for a single unit

[robust sequoia]

Hi, new here! Does Yun Jin seem better with Itto and Gorou than Ningguang or Geo traveler? And is there already a summary of possible team comp for here somewhere by any chance?

[compact girder]

Yun jin buffs normal attacks

And itto wants to use as less normal attacks as possible

[tardy thunder]

Seems quite good with Ning

@compact girder what if we do Ning Yun Jin bennet venti

Venti so Ning gets AoE from her c1

For 30 Yun Jin stacks

[compact girder]

Hmmmm

Would venti go adc here

If ning can consume 30 stacks in less that 12 seconds then you can use venti to eat the rest

[night cliff]

Who and how

[tawny spoke]

Magic

Idk I just plug shit like ideal stats on tao calculator

C6 r5 everything

[fading bone]

What's her best weapons?

[hybrid ibex]

do y'all think it's worth to build Yun Jin with crit?

[tame tree]

probably not

[azure folio]

her self dmg is so insignificant it wouldnt do her any good to loose DEF stats for her to gain crit for self dmg incerease which litterally not important

i mean %90-95 of her dmg contribution comes from her Q buffs anyways

or even more of it .. so building crit on her is litterally waste .. just go grab more E.R-% nd flat def .. only if u need c.rate to proc favonious lance then try gettin some rolls for C.RATE only

[lofty karma]

shenhe ayaka ganyu venti iirc was calced for shenhes quills alone to add 2M DPR on top of the normal ganyu venti stuff

[viral lotus]

Shenhe designed as a whales only unit 💀

[tardy thunder]

Dunno his best builds in what scenarios I don’t have him

[tardy thunder]

C6 Shenhe?

[lofty karma]

yes

[tardy thunder]

Hmm what teams am I calculating today

@lofty karma what you think good Pikeli team would be

Zhong Yun Bennet Rosaria?

Fischl instead of bennet?

I unno

I think he can do 15s rotation tho

Lemme do some er calcs

If Yun makes Zhongli a stronger physical dps than Eula

This is gonna be funny

Might work

Zhong E > Rosaria EQ > Fischl Q/E > Yunjin EQ > Zhong N5 spam?

[crystal flame]

You can probably get 1 more E from Rosaria in if Zhongli use the YJ stack fast if needed for some ER easement(in the Zhong spam or before him) for her but that team looks like the go to for the ZL YunJin Pike and that rotation like the go to for damage per rotation

[tardy thunder]

trueeee

would lower her energy need down to 143

if she can get 2 should prob swap fav to yun jin

and give rosaria a DM

[balmy remnant]

zhongli can use all stacks in like 8 seconds

[tardy thunder]

[crystal flame]

yeah be careful, I don't know how long she needs to stay on to not funnel and get her particules from her dash

[winter steeple]

we reached a consensus for zhong to remain onfield for 6s iirc

for fishcl double carry

or is this just zhong pike carry?

[crystal flame]

Oh that fischl double carry?

[tardy thunder]

rn im donig just zhong pike carry

will see what double carry looks like later

[crystal flame]

just zhong you can probably DM Rosaria yeah

[fallen crystal]

Is this the strongest ST team for Yoi as of now?
XQ, Yun, Bennett

[lofty karma]

we haven't calced XQ yun zhong

but atm if yunjin E can hit in venti burst
yunjin venti yoi XQ
otherwise bennett kaz yunjin yoi

or could be yunjin bennett venti yoi

[tardy thunder]

so far with 4 N5D Zhong with an r5 pike i have his dmg + yun jin Q buff at 418k dmg

thats pretty pog if its a 15s rotation

[lofty karma]

ye

[tardy thunder]

lemme change rosa buff from 12 to 14 if giving her DM

Yun Jin with 10 cr subs and rosaria buff here can have 58.6 CR for favonious @lofty karma

[lofty karma]

ooooh

that means you can drop normals from her chain

in AOE can even do just EQ

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

if r5

[tardy thunder]

hmm what set should rosaria use here?

only needs 153 ER so idk if 4 EOSF makes sense

prob still does right

save her some subs

[lofty karma]

@tardy thunder one concern I have with the pikeli solo team is that fischl/rosaria are not carrying their weight

from the 20% shred he already gets
the extra 60% shred from SC + rosaria C6 is only 30% more damage

It's quite possible PP zhong would be better

with bennett

or phys if not c6

[tardy thunder]

only?

[tardy thunder]

quite possible. what would the team be?

[lofty karma]

30% more damage when it costs 2 slots is a lot

[tardy thunder]

they both do a lot of dmg tho dont they

[lofty karma]

Bennett zhong yunjin + kaz?

[tardy thunder]

think we can make that a 15s rotation?

ill calc it either way

[lofty karma]

AMC instead of kaz then?

[tardy thunder]

nah

kazuha is worth a slightly longer rotation

he does so much damage

although pepega maybe we could use zhong Q and Pillar to trap enemies from getting blown away by traveler tornado

[lofty karma]

going from 15-17s rotation with no other changes is a 12% DPS loss

or

or

[tardy thunder]

kazuha buff+dmg easily makes that up

[lofty karma]

we could do kokomi

[tardy thunder]

elaborate

[lofty karma]

wait... she has 18s CD

[tardy thunder]

ya

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

tho maybe you could use sac frags?

and only Q every other rotation?

what are you tryna do with her tho

[lofty karma]

hydro aura

to rvape zhong

[tardy thunder]

dont think thats better than VV+Kazuha buff+kazuha dmg

under any circumstance

pure pyro is master race

[lofty karma]

if we use the kind of useless timepiece for zhong as EM
vaping roughly doubles the damage dealt by those hits

it would need to be counted, but if we vape 1/3rd of his DPS, that's still a 33% increase in damage

[tardy thunder]

would be about 10 vapes

do you know which of his hits would vape?

i dont

[lofty karma]

no clue
we'd need to count it

[tardy thunder]

33% doesnt sound very impressive tho compared to VV which is already a 20% increase as well as Kazuha buff+kazuha dmg

should easily blow that away

also is it fair for me to give fischl harp for this calc?

[lofty karma]

that 2 second duration added from kaz field time is still a lot of DPS loss

[tardy thunder]

or should i give her a 4 star wep

[lofty karma]

I'd say no 5* weapons outside of carry

[tardy thunder]

what refine on alley is fair then? or just go stringless

[lofty karma]

or well, the unit that benefits most from having a 5*

given alley is limited r5 is not fair on it

can calc for it

[tardy thunder]

r3?

[lofty karma]

somewhere from r1-3

[wheat valley]

R5 Stringless

[lofty karma]

stringless is fine as r5

[tardy thunder]

useless main stat tho

[wheat valley]

R5 Windblume

[tardy thunder]

[wheat valley]

Well, Stringless makes the most sense even with the EM sub

Because it's a pretty popular choice

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea how many a4 procs to give her

ill just use 6 as random guess

@lofty karma @wheat valley @crystal flame @winter steeple @balmy remnant https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D_xKDeW5kbQx_fWVBbN-3qOLdgHypmCdTdYhqg-e90U/edit?usp=sharing

[wheat valley]

What

[tardy thunder]

got 48.8k dps for Pikeli Yun Jin

if its a 15s rotation

thats quite impressive

[wheat valley]

48k DPS

[tardy thunder]

FYI thats higher than vapeluc

so it meets the golden standard

[languid socket]

Next patch banner so rough when pulling for 3 characters

[lofty karma]

c5 bennett is absolutely gonna be better than either fischl or rosaria btw @tardy thunder

in which case
we could do xinyan

even has a 15s CD

[tardy thunder]

xinyan E is a 18s cd

[lofty karma]

just for ult

[tardy thunder]

you need to use her E for the phys shred

and where energy if you dont E

[tardy thunder]

im not seeing why she would be better there than anyone else if all she's adding is 15% phys dmg bonus

[lofty karma]

also big burst damage

[tardy thunder]

shes not gonna do big burst dmg if she's built to be a shielder

[lofty karma]

we have zhong to shield tho

and bennet to buff her too

[tardy thunder]

you have to be shielded to get her phys dmg bonus

[lofty karma]

or we could just run sara

[tardy thunder]

i think you're overrating buffs and underrating sub dps

rosaria do a lot of dmg plus buff

and if she has bennet buff she gonna do a lot more dmg

especially since she would get a few melts

[lofty karma]

we can totally do a non xinyan unit in the last slot

[tardy thunder]

rosaria?

[lofty karma]

but bennett absolutely adds more damage to zhong than 60% shred

sure

[tardy thunder]

cant think of anyone better than rosaria here

[lofty karma]

rosaria also does fine with bennett buff

[tardy thunder]

20% shred 14% CR

dont have time to calc rn tho need to make errands

[tardy thunder]

welp my errands are postponed by the storm

guess il doing math

@lofty karma idk if bennet is actually gonna be an increase here

running him increaes ER needs on everyone

[lofty karma]

ZL shouldn't be ulting

[tardy thunder]

cuz you lose fischl battery whic his not insignifcant

[tardy thunder]

he isnt

but replacing fischl with bennet increased Rosaria ER need to 175 and yun jin to 209

[lofty karma]

you can still run exile bennett if you dont run noblesse

[tardy thunder]

and before adjusting ER and counting bennet personal damage, the team with bennet is a t 47k dps

which is lower than it was with fischl

i think its only gonna be very slightly higher at best

need to re-do rosaria and yun jins stats

i shouldve made a copy instead of doing this over the original sheet

[lofty karma]

and what if we run sac frags kokomi + c6 bennett?

[winter steeple]

a comp that doesn’t require Bennett

[tardy thunder]

can assure you thats not gonna be better than kazuha

worst case we just do 1 kazuha E for rotation time

instead of 2

what we do need to figure out with Koko is if she can let Yoi vape in place of Xinqiu

[lofty karma]

kaz shred is also of diminished value with ZL shred

[tardy thunder]

its still 20% increase

before counting his dmg buff

and his damage

and he does a lot of damage

ill calc the pyro version rn

Homa on zhong?

[lofty karma]

homa or deathmatch or PJW yeah

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma hmm since zhong can get all yun stacks in 8s i wonder if theres enough time to snapshot Bennet on Kazuha Q

Zhong E > Bennet E Q > Kazuha EQ > Yun Jin EQ >Zhong 4N5D

or, if not

uh...

actually i cant think of any other rotation even if not

thats only rotation i can think of at all kek

[lofty karma]

absolutely

we have 14s bennett time

yunjin eats 3

so as long as kaz can stay at 3 or under such as with just 1 E

you should be fine

[tardy thunder]

pog

wait can we use petra bennet here @lofty karma

[night cliff]

4petra buff when

[lofty karma]

we'd need pyro aura before zhong E

then switch back to bennett

so rotation 1 would be bennett E>zhong hold E>bennett Q

[tardy thunder]

btw this doesnt look like its gonna be better than phys @lofty karma

[lofty karma]

rip

[winter steeple]

Cursed

4NO should be gd enough

[tardy thunder]

i havent added in bennets personal dmg yet but heres what i have

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p7hEvRhao8TFC616-ErWx9ShxgWkW3097mGt5ZNM7iM/edit?usp=sharing

41k dps vs physical at 48k

no way bennets personal here is gonna ad 7k dps

btw do we know how much dps a Eula team at kqm standards does? for comparison to zhong to see if zhong is now the superior phys carry?

[tardy thunder]

i gotta calc the dual carry zhong fischl now huh

i forgot what we decided on team and rotation for that

zhong fischl yun jin bennet?

[lofty karma]

zhong fischl yunjin rosaria

[tardy thunder]

Fischl E/Q > Zhong E > Rosaria E/Q > Yunjin NENQ >Zhong 3N4D > Fischl 7n2RR 1 N1?

[lofty karma]

maybe

think that'll work

[tardy thunder]

how many seconds you think that is?

[lofty karma]

its gotta be at least 17

though idk how long

[tardy thunder]

@winter steeple halp

[lofty karma]

also yunjin wer

[tardy thunder]

after Rosaria

[winter steeple]

20 or so I think

My internet died so can’t test rn

[lofty karma]

I think EDQN or EDQDN is gonna be better for yunjin here

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

since she definitely does not need both normals woven in

[tardy thunder]

ok

[tardy thunder]

why is there a dash after E tho?

[lofty karma]

cancel the E

[tardy thunder]

can you not do that with Q?

[lofty karma]

Usually you can't

may be different on yunjin

but gonna assume no until we know for sure

[tardy thunder]

i thought usually you can

[balmy remnant]

zhong 2N5D + N5(swap cancel) and fischl 7N2RR + N1 should be around 12.37s

the fischl frames i'm using don't have ATK SPD btw

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

if i multiply the fischl frames (except the RR frames) by .88 for 12% ATK SPD, then Zhongli + Her should be around 11.63s

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma so, according to Sitri Eula sheet, Eula team dps is like 34k

Which means Pikeli with Yun

Is the superior phys dps (assuming it plays out as calced)

[lofty karma]

[winter steeple]

34k is abit Low

[tardy thunder]

I agree

That’s what Sitri sheet has tho

I guess Eula just isn’t that strong

[tardy thunder]

idk how to read that sheet its like trying to learn a new language so idk what weapons and such he has

[winter steeple]

Might be wrong but it seems 34k dps is primary target dmg

Dps-1 is primary target

Dps-2 is aoe mod with 2 targets

Dps-3 is hitting 3 primary targets

Weapons are stated on the sheet

4 stars r1

Except catch

So it is that Low

@tardy thunder might want to use 4 star weapons only at r1 for proper comparison

But yeah I think it is only 34k

At aoe I think Dps-2 is used instead

So it easily beats pikeLi with Yunjin then

[tardy thunder]

you get 5 prototypes for free

no reason to not use an r5 pike

[winter steeple]

The other weapons I mean

[tardy thunder]

which is what i use as well so its what im comparing to

[winter steeple]

Is Eula Raiden that bad

Wat lv enemy?

[tardy thunder]

i used 0.487 as the def mod for lvl 100 enemy

[tardy thunder]

thats the problem i have with aoe mods are you assuming it would easily beat pikeli at 2 targets because you're assuming zhong never hits more than one enemy?

tis so much nuance with trying to account for aoe mods

[winter steeple]

Well I think Sitri wasn’t being that generous with aoe

And Yunjin is ST only

So ya it def beats in aoe

Definitely

Absolutely

Didn’t expect to be so weak in st tho

[tardy thunder]

if i give rosaria x2 aoe but dont change anyone else at all Pikeli goes up to 55.5k

and thats not giving zhongli any aoe mod at all

[winter steeple]

Err weapon?

[tardy thunder]

and i highly doubt he never hits more than 1 enemy in all of his 32 hits

[winter steeple]

48 to 55k is kinda sus

From rosaria

[tardy thunder]

shes doing 100,472 dpr here

without aoe mod

[winter steeple]

Rotation time then?

[tardy thunder]

15s

[winter steeple]

Not realistic

At all

[tardy thunder]

how much time do you think the rotation is then?

[winter steeple]

18-21s

[tardy thunder]

why?

i dont see why it would take that long if Zhong only needs 8s field time AAing

[winter steeple]

Can send the rotation again?

[tardy thunder]

Zhong E > Rosaria EQ > Fischl Q/E > Yunjin EQ > Zhong 4N5

[winter steeple]

Ok I’ll record it brb

[tardy thunder]

if im counting right that should be about exactly 15s. Zhong E (1s) Rosaria EQ (2s) Fischl Q/E (1s) Yun Jin EQ (3s) Zhong 4N5 (8s)

[winter steeple]

https://streamable.com/7npe06

17 ig

[tardy thunder]

if i change it to 17s the dps is 43k primary target

[balmy remnant]

is Yunjin a hold E or tap E?

[tardy thunder]

i calced it at hold i can change it to press if needed

[balmy remnant]

charge 1 or 2?

[tardy thunder]

1

[balmy remnant]

she takes ~2.35s of field time give or take

[tardy thunder]

so a bit less than what i was counting at

[tardy thunder]

49k if i give rosaria 2 targets

[balmy remnant]

if enemies are close enough, the NAs of zhong's that are most likely to hit other enemies albeit already kind of a low chance, are N2 and N5

[tardy thunder]

yup thats what id think

this is why i dont typically calc aoe mods

there is way too much damn nuance

[winter steeple]

Quite a strong comp

[tardy thunder]

i might calc razor to see how he compares

ppl always say he's fallen off but where sheet

[winter steeple]

I think sucrose taser easily matches or beats Eula Raiden after looking at the numbers

Surprisingly Low

[winter steeple]

Razor Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

ive never seen sucrose sucrose taser sheeted tbh

[tardy thunder]

was gonna see what his regular teams look like actually, no yun jin

i dont think hes gonna be that good with yun jin

[winter steeple]

Counting ec procs in that mess is

Not very practical

[tardy thunder]

no multi hits

imagine if razor Q stand was NA damage

in his attack chain from the kqm guide they have E > Q > AAAA > AAAA > E > AAAA > AAAA > E > AAAA > AA

[winter steeple]

Better Yunjin user then pikeLi?

[tardy thunder]

which is 22 hits but not all of those will be under Yun Jin buff

you lose like 2s already from EQ

[tardy thunder]

probably would be easily

i wanna ralc razor xinqiu jean team cuz jean can swirl electro with her burst from razor self aura

but idk if she would be getting EC swirls there

and sheeting the ECs would be

[winter steeple]

I use srl combat sim for EC procs

Not sure if it’s reliable enough tho but ya can try

[tardy thunder]

ive never used that before

whats standard razor team?

[winter steeple]

Learn the syntax in like 5 min and ya gd to go

No clue

[tardy thunder]

idk what that is

also how do i account for electro resonance on ER calculator

[winter steeple]

Zaks? I got no clue

I would add 3-4 electro particles directly in mine but ya might need to put that into fischl

For Zaks

[tardy thunder]

i dont know whos i have

[winter steeple]

The one ya use is Zaks

[tardy thunder]

ah

[winter steeple]

Mine is in #834184944674537493 waiting for veri

[tardy thunder]

can i has yours?

ah

[winter steeple]

For Zaks I would make Fishcl number of E 1.8

[tardy thunder]

oki

hmm ill just calc a mono electro team for now

razor beidou fischl zhong

didnt input any of razors flat energy refunds or ER buffs so he def gets to use 0 ER here

wait this isnt yun jin tc whym i posting this here

[alpine mauve]

bro i just spent the last 2 weeks grinding for triple crown eula

[opaque swan]

hi! atm husk domain hates me so im wondering if its ok to put noblesse on yunjin if my team doesnt have another noblesse user anyways?

[tawny spoke]

Yeah its ok

[tardy thunder]

i wouldnt

id go 2 husk 2 eosf

if you cant get a full husk set

or 4 petra depending on the team

[tawny spoke]

But its still an oke set for a while until u fully farmed a set

[sand sluice]

Speaking of petra, maybe I should farm one

[opaque swan]

thanks, this might be more plausible, i have some decent spare eosf

[crystal flame]

Ok that's way better than I thought it would be and it should be pretty smooth to play especially in ST fight, 2.8 M damage a minute and it shouldn't be a pain to just reapply SC if big target isn't in the Rosa burst and small mobs will get mowed down by zl with just his shield and YJ burst

That's with C6 rosaria right?

With Yun Jin how we're probably not getting a similar buffer to shenhe for physical

[tardy thunder]

yup

also i sheeted physical xinyan and razor as other physical carries to compare to

wanna see?

[wise pagoda]

can't wait to start using pikeli when yunjin released

[azure folio]

what is pikeli !?

🤔

ahh .. Zhongli with pike !?

[night cliff]

[azure folio]

tho wouldnt Homa still be better then pike ? for Zhongli pshy dps !? 🤔

i m not sure about comparison tho

🤔

[night cliff]

I don't know myself but I always hear for Phys pike > everything else

[wise pagoda]

maybe but pike is free

and free is good

[night cliff]

For polearm like xiangling and zhongli with multiple hits

[wise pagoda]

the problem with xiangling is
xiangling is god tier when used as pyro burst carry/sub dps

[night cliff]

Was just saying for pikeli pike > homa or such

[tardy thunder]

Thats why we use c6 bennet with Xianling YunJin

to turn her autos pyro

so you dont have split scaling

200iq

for on field xianling with c6 bennet Yun Jin basically becomes your pyro pike on steroids

its funny

and looks very legit

[wise pagoda]

nice meme but your xiangling pyro attack will not benefit from pike physical bonus stat

[tardy thunder]

thats why im not using pike for it

i gave her the catch

[sand sluice]

mono?

[wise pagoda]

"pyro pike"

[river yew]

He did say "basically" though

[tardy thunder]

no what i meant is, Yun Jin is basically operating like Pike for your xianling

as in, she is adding extra flat dmg to every single hit just like pike

"pyro pike" because shes adding pyro dmg cuz c6 bennet

"on steroids" because the amount she adds to each hit is signifcantly bigger than pike

2k vs 40

[wise pagoda]

ugh my english to shit for this level of convo

[tardy thunder]

its fine i dont mind clarifying

[wise pagoda]

also where your ps4

[tardy thunder]

removed it from my name

[sand sluice]

So the final member is an anemo? Because I don't think even XQ can keep up with all of those pyro apps.

[tardy thunder]

ill add it back if elden ring doesnt have cross-platform

[tardy thunder]

its xianling bennet kazuha yun jin

[night cliff]

How much did you have her calculated at?

[tardy thunder]

also just finished my physical xinyan sheet so that if anyone wants to compare pikeli to it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m1VT5z-AQ40COQGC8r2Byen0Z_aop2d5GHH4aoNW24I/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy thunder]

i forget let me find it

i have done so many sheets this month that i forget a lot of them

[sand sluice]

maybe you should calc this next, like with a DM or sth

I feel it has potential since yunjin can use petra

[night cliff]

Phys xinyan better than eula?

[tardy thunder]

even Razor i calced at higher team dps than Eulas best team

Eula need aoe mods to look good on sheet

[tardy thunder]

i had to give her Catch for energy

looks like i saved over the sheet i had the full XL YunJin team calced on

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qGFlSJLmXBd_7ezhl3cIMwHzdd8vM5qj5jNMlmyYM0s/edit?usp=sharing

just have her personal dmg calced saved

[sand sluice]

how's the result at first glance?

hmm, not that high

[tardy thunder]

looks very poggers