Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

wait what about a c6 diona

200EM

is that better than his shred

prob not

diona trash and ugly anyway

[winter steeple]

Idk

[wheat valley]

God

[lofty karma]

diona is gonna be hell to calc

please don't make anyone do that

[wheat valley]

We might be coping too hard if Diona's an option

[winter steeple]

But noir is doing it

[lofty karma]

because now you also need to calc which things melt

[winter steeple]

[lofty karma]

ok

[tardy thunder]

i would just assume 0

[lofty karma]

@tardy thunder calc diona

[tardy thunder]

until we have evidence we get some melts

[winter steeple]

Wait that means I need to test it

[lofty karma]

we get melts with tao

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma Does Koko just not work in place of xinqiu?

[tardy thunder]

if you test it ill calc it

[lofty karma]

koko could work

but

[tardy thunder]

if we could use koko that would solve like all our problems

[lofty karma]

because now no interrupt resist

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

so now you get staggered

instead of having to dodge

[tardy thunder]

so does this just not work then

[lofty karma]

which has the same effect

[tardy thunder]

thats what its starting to sound like

almost starting to sound like just take yun jin out and use bennet and solve all the problems

[lofty karma]

I think zhong or albedo might be necessary

[tardy thunder]

so you have a healer

should i just give up on YoiYunjin

[winter steeple]

Maybe

[leaden topaz]

Noir could I see your summer opera calcs again

[winter steeple]

Yoimiya nv gonna be saved at this rate

😔

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OgUhPXlqOBmLRUMqUlDHQBAoFtJhMGa6AFEc4BF56es/edit?usp=sharing

[wheat valley]

Yoimiya Yunjin Kazuha Zhongli.

Or Yoimiya Yunjin Kazuha Albedo

[tardy thunder]

yeah i think we just have to return to PP

[winter steeple]

Alr done it’s worse than fireworks

[tardy thunder]

wait i thought we established it was stronger

[winter steeple]

The rotation time on PP was unrealistic

I checked and 18 is very very tight

Not even sure if it works

[lofty karma]

This is calc with ZL

[winter steeple]

Also made a few mistakes in fireworks calc

So fireworks beats PP by 1k dps even if 18s is achievable

It’s roughly the same ig

[tardy thunder]

so Yoi E not working actually killed the comp

now im sad

i was excited

now im sad

cant we just do an alternate attack string and use Koko instead of xinqiu

or build pure healer xinqiu

HB HP HP Xinqiu

[winter steeple]

Hey that’s not a bad idea actually

Better than scrapping all ideas

[tardy thunder]

how much would he heal like that

[winter steeple]

Idk

[tardy thunder]

give him maidens too since his dmg gonna be cope anyway

[lofty karma]

we running maiden beloved on XQ?

[tardy thunder]

i guess we're doing 2 maidens 2 DC or 4 maidens xinqiu

HB HP HP

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

might still be able to use hydro goblet since it gives DR

[lofty karma]

or 2 hydro set 2 maiden

[tardy thunder]

or that yeah

[lofty karma]

[winter steeple]

Tcing healer xq

[tardy thunder]

would he be able to run crit hydro hp

[lofty karma]

man, that XQ is gonna be cursed

[tardy thunder]

so his dmg isnt complete shit?

[winter steeple]

Wat has this channel become

[tardy thunder]

but even still the problem still becomes

just use bennet instead of yun jin

so you have an actual healer

[lofty karma]

does bennett add more damage than yunjin?

[winter steeple]

No

[tardy thunder]

no but its not far off

[winter steeple]

6k less

[lofty karma]

also I think adding zhong is gonna be better than running healer XQ

[tardy thunder]

its close enough to be better than doing this weird shit

[tardy thunder]

do we have time to use his Q here?

if we do it might be fine

[lofty karma]

not unless C2

[tardy thunder]

help make up for losing kazuha damage

its a 21s rotation minimum anyway

feel like it should be able to fit in

[winter steeple]

Plenty I think

[lofty karma]

wait... yeah, kaz took up a ton of time

hold E Q takes about the same

[tardy thunder]

yeah i dont see how zhong Q would be more time than kazuha

[lofty karma]

so we should

[winter steeple]

Zhong using his Q for once

[tardy thunder]

how are we building him?

[lofty karma]

now question

[tardy thunder]

DM ADC?

[lofty karma]

do we give him fav?

[tardy thunder]

he should be able to build pure dmg i think

wait Atilla are we tryna Q every rotation now?

or every other rotation

will she vape her Q cast and procs?

[lofty karma]

every other for yoi

er calc with no fav

With fav

basically whether cutting 2 ER subs is worth more or less than running an actual weapon on zhong

[tardy thunder]

^and if worth putting 3 er subs on Yoi

[lofty karma]

and crit HP geo for zhong

[winter steeple]

This assumes all pillar hits hit

[tardy thunder]

not attack?

id figure his shield is plenty strong enough with Xinqiu DR plus geo resonance

[lofty karma]

maybe

[winter steeple]

Healing tc

[lofty karma]

and with fav and no SR trying to ult every rotation

essentially not gonna happen

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

her ult isn't so good it's worth using an ER sands and losing 10% damage bonus

what set for ZL tho

tenacity, petra, or exile

[tardy thunder]

NO i would think

or totm if its reliable enough

[winter steeple]

4p Petra?

[lofty karma]

we could do petra ZL so yunjin gets husk

[tardy thunder]

yun jin already had husk

[winter steeple]

For dmg bonus

[tardy thunder]

we could use petra but theres both hydro and pyro

[lofty karma]

so petra for sure then

[tardy thunder]

so wont really be able to reliably get pyro

so i think NO or totm just better

also is the dmg zhong lose by using fav instead of dm or catch really worth it just to use Yoi Q every 2 rotations?

[lofty karma]

you grab petra the same way you would grab VV tho

[winter steeple]

Depends on the rotation

Let’s settle the rotation first

[tardy thunder]

whats the rotation look like

[winter steeple]

How does Petra work btw

[tardy thunder]

pick up crystal get 35% dmg bonus of that element

for 10s

[lofty karma]

^

petra holder doesn't have to make it

[winter steeple]

Pick up on the holder and buff all Allies for 10s?

[lofty karma]

but does have to pick it up

[winter steeple]

Can they pick up hydro and pyro crystals

And get both dmg bonuses?

[lofty karma]

only the last one gets the bonus

[tardy thunder]

no

if you pick up another the first gets replaced

which is so dumb

[lofty karma]

you can however pick one up, snapshot, then pick up another

not a big deal here

but I did use that for petra beidou

back in 1.1

[winter steeple]

Xq doesn’t snapshot

[lofty karma]

petra beidou was kinda hilarious though

[winter steeple]

Ok so the rotation includes Zhong picking up a pyro crystal

I think I can only fit in 5s of the dmg bonus

[lofty karma]

hm

maybe not worth then

how much do we get if yunjin is holding?

[tardy thunder]

That should be worth

[winter steeple]

None

[tardy thunder]

That’s 50% up time

[winter steeple]

Yunjin uses EQ after xq

[tardy thunder]

Essentially 17.5 on everything

[winter steeple]

And can’t get the enemies to have a pyro aura after xq

[tardy thunder]

50% up time Petra plus geo resonance makes up for losing Kazuha dmg bonus

[winter steeple]

Without absorption from kaz or suc

So ya

[tardy thunder]

Also zhong might be better than we think since he will shred for Xinqiu too

Which Kazuha wasn’t doing

Is it reasonable for me to go with 17.5% dmg bonus bf or Petra to account for 50% up time then Sigurd?

[winter steeple]

He does swirl hydro but only in aoe

[tardy thunder]

I calced without VV on Xinqiu

[lofty karma]

so then we have to figure out what bit of yoi's rotation gets the petra buff

[tardy thunder]

Did I undercut the damage then

[winter steeple]

Abit

[winter steeple]

Nope exact is prolly way better

[tardy thunder]

What a pain

[winter steeple]

I feel like I’m the one doing the checking of number tho

[tardy thunder]

Wait could we make instructors zhong work

[winter steeple]

Could we?

[tardy thunder]

If we switch to him and do a tap E right after Yun Jin Q

Idk his cooldowns doesn’t that work

[lofty karma]

it doesn't

12s cooldown from hold E

[winter steeple]

[winter steeple]

Oh I know

[tardy thunder]

Yun Jin buff lasts 12s and Yoi just needs 10s so a swap right after Yun Jin could work

If we had a way to justify it

Maybe that would work with Diona

[winter steeple]

Zhong Q after xq EQ

That would give him instructor buff

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

Oh ya rotatio would be

[lofty karma]

slightly more uptime too

[tardy thunder]

How much uptime?

[winter steeple]

8s prolly

[tardy thunder]

His dmg gonna be shit tho

[winter steeple]

Instructor is 10s right?

[lofty karma]

8

[winter steeple]

Oh so 6s

Wait

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

Just use Petra then

Almost same uptime and won’t kill his dmg

[lofty karma]

well 120 EM is still a decent amount

it might be worth more than 35 dmg%

at least with rust

[tardy thunder]

Idk if it’s worth killing his damage tho

If we are using his Q

[winter steeple]

Wait we can E hold instead after xq EQ

[tardy thunder]

I think with Diona we could do A Diano E right after Yun Jin Q and get 7-8s Inwteuctor uptime tho?

[tardy thunder]

Maybe if she gives a few melts it would be worth

[winter steeple]

I think we rlly need a rotation to follow first

[tardy thunder]

Yeah we do

[winter steeple]

[lofty karma]

you wanna be the one doing the calcs for instructors diona?

[winter steeple]

For Petra
Yoi Q/CS > Zhong hold E > xq EQ > Yunjin EQ > Yoi E

[tardy thunder]

As long as Sigurd wanna be the test dummy for the counts

[winter steeple]

For instructors
Yoi Q/ skip > xq EQ> Zhong hold E > Yunjin EQ > Yoi E

[tardy thunder]

I can’t test it myself cuz I don’t have Yoi

[winter steeple]

[winter steeple]

Ok I give up I’ll do it

[tardy thunder]

[wheat valley]

[winter steeple]

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

Imagine diano actually ends up being BiS here due to melts

[wheat valley]

Pls no

[winter steeple]

Rotation tho?

[tardy thunder]

200 em plus 120 em from instructors plus a couple of melts could be huge

[tardy thunder]

Uhh probably Yoi Q > Xinqiu EQ > Diona EQ > Yunjin EQ > Diona E > Yoi E?

[winter steeple]

Tap E then hold E for Diona?

Or sac Diona

[tardy thunder]

Was assuming sac

[winter steeple]

Ok

[tardy thunder]

Tap then hold with Fav if that’s better tho

[winter steeple]

Wait can’t test it on kenki

Time to strip all artifacts again

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

Got an answer from jstern

ambtao at c0 with r1 deathmatch does 60k single target

[winter steeple]

solo?

[lofty karma]

that's full team

[winter steeple]

woah so Yoi can match Tao somewat

[tardy thunder]

This is TP tho

[tardy thunder]

What about Homa?

[winter steeple]

[lofty karma]

sheet says homa r1 is 25% more damage than deathmatch r1

[tardy thunder]

How does that translate to team damage increase tho

Prob up to like 66-69k?

[lofty karma]

it doesn't
but we can definitely estimate

and yeah that sounds pretty reasonable

[tardy thunder]

So Yoi will never be stronger

[lofty karma]

yeah
but the fact that yoi is going from meme to even comparable to hutao

that's a big improvement

[tardy thunder]

Need to see what the damage looks like with zhong or Diona first tho

Since Kazuha don’t work

[winter steeple]

counting melts its actually not too bad

but instructor

[tardy thunder]

How’s it going?

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

forgot to equip instructor back to square 1

[lofty karma]

Don't forget it's gonna need to be done again once yunjin is out and we need c6 counts

[tardy thunder]

Any melt counts done?

[lofty karma]

[winter steeple]

3 melts 5-6 vapes

[tardy thunder]

Yo that’s not bad

Not bad at all

Which hits were the melts do you know?

[winter steeple]

n1 x1 n5 n5

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

now instructor uptime

wait i can just frame count that??

after 8 s just pretend i used instructors and it ended theree

[tardy thunder]

ya that should work

i think

[winter steeple]

all melts get em buff

from instructors

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

barely tho

[lofty karma]

[winter steeple]

vapes are the ones that should react

except the last 2/3

icd timer screwed up there for some reason

WAIT only 4 vapes

last melt removed hydro aura

[lofty karma]

[winter steeple]

so final string n4x1 vaped

[tardy thunder]

so 1 n1 2 n5 melt...and what all vape again?

[winter steeple]

final string also no em buff from Diona's Q

[winter steeple]

n1x1 n3 n5

but take away the ones that melted

https://streamable.com/clyc2w

[tardy thunder]

these are melts or vapes?

[lofty karma]

also for what it's worth

[winter steeple]

n3, n1x1 ,n3 ,n4x1 vapes

[lofty karma]

diona over ZL does mean rainbow

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

n1x1, n5,n5 melts

[tardy thunder]

pog two n5 melts

running the numbers rn

[winter steeple]

ill commit sleep now

[lofty karma]

Also... does bennett offer more than either of these?

[winter steeple]

Final msg, fireworks Yoi (rust r1)with Bennett and beidou does 53k dps

For comparison purposes

C6 t12 for 4 stars

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

diona isnt gonna be worth i dont think

havent even removed the kazuha dmg buff yet and it already went down from 59k to 34k

so i guess either zhong is good or the team just doesnt work

[lofty karma]

or bennett is good

[abstract night]

oh wait the pog team that you guys calced, that was with kazuha right?

[tardy thunder]

yes

[lofty karma]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

he would be replacing yun jin tho

is the thing

[abstract night]

and no shield but just xingqiu interrupt resist?

[lofty karma]

no, bennett instead of shredder

[tardy thunder]

yes

[tardy thunder]

i guess that works if yun jin is more value than kazuha

will have to calc that

ill run those numbers rn

@lofty karma what will the rotation look like with bennet instead of kazuha?

[lofty karma]

XQ EQ bennett EQ, yunjin n1en1Q, yoi

[tardy thunder]

this might actually be better than the kazuha version depending on how much dmg bennet himself does and if he increases xinqius at all

Yois DPS went up by 5k

[lofty karma]

jrms counts put yunjin n1en1dQ at 2.1-2.6s depending on cancel skill

[tardy thunder]

by replacing bennet with kazuha

i mean kazuha with bennet*

replacing kazuha with bennet(c6) 1130 atk buff increased her dps by 5k

[lofty karma]

so yoi should get mostly full uptime on both

[lofty karma]

what set on bennett?

noblesse or instructors?

or exile

[tardy thunder]

i assumed NO

[lofty karma]

we have enough hyperbuffing on that end that 20% atk doesn't particularly mean much

[tardy thunder]

idk what instructors or petra up time would be

needed something to use for now

does bennet vape his Q here?

[lofty karma]

should be 5s uptime

[tardy thunder]

but which hits get it

[lofty karma]

so first 2 n5s

sorry for ping sigurd

[tardy thunder]

so everything up to first 2 N5 get it, and everythign after doesnt?

[lofty karma]

yeah

he said n5#2 barely got it

also bennett E and Q should vape

[tardy thunder]

hey if they got it they got it

pog ok

well his dmg gonna be shit with instuctors anyway

[lofty karma]

though the first will proc instructors which does not refresh

[tardy thunder]

idk what even stats to give him if using a 4 star set

[lofty karma]

so maybe n5#2 won't end up getting it

[tardy thunder]

oh you cant refresh it?

[lofty karma]

oh wait... just checked

it does refresh

[tardy thunder]

pog

[lofty karma]

usually it says it does when it does, so I assumed it didn't

but KQM explicitly says it does under findings

[tardy thunder]

what stats do i give bennet if he using instructor tho

@lofty karma wait what was the reason we used albedo in PP Yoi Yunjin instead of bennet?

i dont remember why we stopped using yoi yunjin bennet kazuha

interruption resistance needed?

[lofty karma]

looking at this (no fav on bennett means yoi only bursts every 3 rotations)
he needs crit/ER/+either HP or pyro% with ER sands being off piece

and uh, yunjin may need to hold E

[tardy thunder]

theres enough time for it right

[lofty karma]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

also a vaped bennet Q does quite a bit of damage so if instructors is gonna fuck his damage it may not be worth

[lofty karma]

hold E drops yunjin to only 213 ER

[tardy thunder]

213 isnt much on her

[lofty karma]

well... this is including fav

so she has a crit hat

[tardy thunder]

ik

wait i thought you said we can do it with defense

[lofty karma]

with 3 fav we could

[tardy thunder]

fav on bennet then?

im getting really confused

on what im actually calcing

[lofty karma]

we could do exile set bennett

[tardy thunder]

why cant yunjin just use fav with triple defense

10 CR subs

she would only need 203 ER

its achievable under kqm standards

[lofty karma]

exile set bennett gives us this

and brings yoi back to ulting every other rotation

instead of every 3

[tardy thunder]

oh right Yoi ult is something you were trying to do

what are her proc counts and vape counts for Q?

You didnt have her Q in the rotation you provided

im assuming 4 procs, 2 vape?

[lofty karma]

yoi Q/skip>XQ EQ>bennett EQ (so q benefits from instructors)>yoi

[tardy thunder]

wait @lofty karma i think i have an idea

exile bennet plus favonious

CW on Yoi instead of SR

could she Q every rotation???

[lofty karma]

with 154 ER

[tardy thunder]

rip

triple fav says she would still need 137

which would be a whopping 5 subs

gahh im so confused lol

which variant do i calc @lofty karma

Just tell me what to calc

im confusing the shit out of myself

with all of these ideas

[lofty karma]

exile bennett with whatever weapon

ER off set

[tardy thunder]

ok so ill stick with my skyward

[lofty karma]

actually

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

if skyward make the crit hat offset

[tardy thunder]

how come?

[lofty karma]

because skyward gives a metric ton of ER

and exile gives 20%

and he comes with 26.7% from asc stats

[tardy thunder]

so crit hat offset is for highest cv on him?

[lofty karma]

ye

maybe offset cup is better

idk

[tardy thunder]

mang i hate trying to figure out personal damage for character with a 4 star set

[lofty karma]

though I have a feeling you might want HP cup anyways

[tardy thunder]

im giving myself a headache trying to figure out his stats

[modern blaze]

do we have any comparison between albedo and yunjin in a noelle comp? i was thinking they are kinda competing for the same team spot, asumming noelle + gorou + albedo/yunjin + flex
freeing up albedo means you can now go with the geo dudes on team 2 so it could be nice

[lofty karma]

honestly in noelle, r5 fav gorou can solo battery her

[tardy thunder]

we dont want to vape the cast Q?

[tardy thunder]

i still havent done noelle yunjin math

[lofty karma]

we could EnQ with bennett I guess

[modern blaze]

i mean a damage comparison

[tardy thunder]

i want to get to that after this probably

[tardy thunder]

i meant Yoi

[lofty karma]

Nah

[tardy thunder]

you started the rotation with her Q before XQ

is it rlly worth going through all this hassle to use it if we arent even vaping it?

[lofty karma]

I see

yeah XQ EQ first then

and bennett will need to ENQ

[tardy thunder]

test

[lofty karma]

Also is it worth calcing yoimiya yunjin with 19n1rr?

[tardy thunder]

dunno what happened my messages stopped sending

tf is this channel bugging out for you too Atilla?

[lofty karma]

was already only 4% worse damagewise

yeah

[tardy thunder]

is it probable?

[lofty karma]

19 can only be done with macros
15 with human hands if sweaty enough

[tardy thunder]

19 is way more than 30 stacks tho so you dont need to do that much

15 is exactly 30

[lofty karma]

15 is about the skill level on 9n2c 2n1c Q with tao

[tardy thunder]

and how high skill level is that?

[lofty karma]

pretty high

[tardy thunder]

also the rotation should be Xinqiu EQ>Yoi Q>Bennet ENQ>Yunjin ENQ>Yoi E @lofty karma right?

[lofty karma]

ye

wait

yunjin NENQ

[tardy thunder]

ok

thats for more fav chances right

[lofty karma]

yeah
and she needs to hold E in this team

so I guess we want notation of E1 for charge level then

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

NE1NQ

this is starting to look as messy as itto rotation lmao

[tardy thunder]

need to adjust her subs then

i had 10 flat defense before without fav on her

gotta replace that with 10 CR

[lofty karma]

is needed ER

what is the assumed refine of fav

and are we still in 2 target?

[tardy thunder]

huh i have 182 for her

oh we only have 1 bennet E i put 2

thats why

[tardy thunder]

uhh idk

[lofty karma]

if in 2 target her minimum crit is 39.3

if in ST 45

[tardy thunder]

best i can do is 44.6 under kqm standards

close enough?

[lofty karma]

with crit/def/def
def/def/def
or def/er/def?

[tardy thunder]

triple defense

[lofty karma]

44.6 is close enough

[tardy thunder]

pog

[lofty karma]

and that still hits 192 ER as well?

[tardy thunder]

yeah just needs 23.7 from liquid subs

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

which is about 5 subs

so we can do 10 ER 4 defense 10 cr no problem

[lofty karma]

R5 favlance can do DEF/DEF/DEF with full investment

[tardy thunder]

have 1 left over for flat defense

or cdmg

which one do we wanna give it to

flat defene or cdmg

[lofty karma]

flat def is unrealistic

nvm

yeah do flat def

[tardy thunder]

ok

how many Yoi Q procs are bennet buffed btw? and how many does she get? and how many vape? and how many of those vapes are buffed?

honestly i feel like the best team is gonna be yoi yunjin bennet kazuha tho, if it works

[lofty karma]

The initial hit will apply pyro, 1st explosion hit will not, 2nd will and will vape, no bennett buff as yoi is not on field again yet. 3rd will not vape, but yoi should be on field, so will be buffed by bennett. 4th if it happens will vape, will be buffed by bennett, and should be buffed by a1 fully

[tardy thunder]

just do lower hit combo to not need interruption resistance

[tardy thunder]

thnx

i cant remember why we didnt do yoi yunjin kazuha bennet tho do you?

that just seems superior to everything else we are doing

[lofty karma]

it capped at 55kdps iirc

[tardy thunder]

i dont think i ever calced it under kqms new standards

or with Tpulse

if it capped at 55k dps under old standards and no pulse

it should be a lot higher now

ill have to do that again if we agree theres nothing stopping the team from working?

ill finish this first tho

and compare

@lofty karma if we use CW on Yoi we can use Yoi Q without needing exile on bennet or any ER on Yoi, for Q every other rotation

that might be better

[sand sluice]

I have a R4 and close to 30% crit, still good?

[tardy thunder]

then we can use instructor on bennet

hmm wait would need more ER subs on Yun Jin

would 9 ER subs on her with no exile bennet

[lofty karma]

that's... not happening

[tardy thunder]

no i meant every other rotation she Q

not every rotation

[lofty karma]

is downgrading from SR to CW worth instructor bennett though?

[tardy thunder]

idk

[lofty karma]

also will be a lot more strict sub wise

[tardy thunder]

yun jins ER needs got fucked a bit without exile bennet anyway so ill just stick with that for now

[lofty karma]

because yunjin needs a whole 20 more ER

[tardy thunder]

theres so much nuance here

oh geez i need to calc Yoi stats all over again too

i need a break

time to make some sammies

[lofty karma]

gonna make favlance minimum crit post now

more organized than the copypasta I have

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma if we use the PP Yoi Yunjin team with Bennet instead of albedo/zhong do we still do N4RR or do we need a different attack chain?

Since no shield or poise

[lofty karma]

n4 is kinda sus without interrupt res

we can try it

but best to calc both ways

[tardy thunder]

What would the other way be?

N2?

[lofty karma]

n2 ya

[tardy thunder]

How many

8?

[balmy remnant]

N2RR?

[lofty karma]

9 was the number you had before

theoretically possible

though with no poise we should assume 9

[balmy remnant]

i'm doing the 12 sec one now

[lofty karma]

yoi E is 10s duration

how many she fits in 12s doesn't matter

[balmy remnant]

oh

yeah

[lofty karma]

the 12s change instead means yunjin is up during entire E duration

instead of ticking down during switch + E animation

[tardy thunder]

Less tight

[lofty karma]

so you get 10s instead of 9.3 or so

[tardy thunder]

I need to change my PP sheet to 92RR then that’s more procs than the 4N4RR I have them at

[lofty karma]

also @tardy thunder are you dynamically calcing yoi A4s effect on XQ?

[tardy thunder]

I didn’t calc her a4 at all yet because I wasn’t using her Q before

Also is 9N2RR with or without attack speed?

[lofty karma]

without

[tardy thunder]

So with we might be to get all 10?

[lofty karma]

maybe but lets assume not

since no poise means she's gonna need to dodge

[tardy thunder]

Fair

[lofty karma]

and you probably want to work in dash cancels instead of RRs to keep her in bennett circle

probably every 3 or so

[tardy thunder]

Oh true and for dogges

Dodges*

[mint gate]

11 maybe fits with macro/more practice

[balmy remnant]

is,,, is that,,

THE

BowTae

[mint gate]

hello

[balmy remnant]

frame perfect you can do 11N2RR + N2, 597 frames

[mint gate]

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

w/ atk spd

forgot that part

[mint gate]

ok that makes more sense

anyways, yunjin seems like she will be fun, will definitely experiment when she releases

[tardy thunder]

What team ideas you got for her?

[lofty karma]

Orange: not realistically possible to hit
Yellow: can be hit by replacing ER sands with crit hat
Green: can be hit with triple DEF mainstat

[mint gate]

oh I don't really know yet, people have asked me before how many arrows fischl/yoi can shoot, so I got curious

[lofty karma]

Not the prettiest, but here's minimum crit reqs for yunjin favlance to proc 95% of the time

[tardy thunder]

Physchl Yun Jin seems potent

[lofty karma]

physchl yunjin rosaria + c5 bennett?

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I forget what team I used

I’ve done so many calcs that I don’t remember them all

[lofty karma]

wait... c6 bennett doesn't infuse fischl

doesn't ruin the comp

[tardy thunder]

I wanna see what Physchl Pikeli dual carry would look like

[lofty karma]

I think bennett will add more than pikeli

esp since rosaria is providing 60% shred

[tardy thunder]

Even if you can get 25 stacks on him 30 on fischl?

[lofty karma]

40% if not C6

[tardy thunder]

Dump out stacks asap on Zhong then swap to fischl and do the same

[lofty karma]

mayyyybe if you can near full stack both

[tardy thunder]

Get like 50-55 stacks maybe

[lofty karma]

think you want to dump stacks on fischl so you can get oz up

also c6 fischl low key ruining the comp

[tardy thunder]

Wouldn’t you need to dump them on Zhong first so Oz expires when you swap to her?

[lofty karma]

or we could do fischl>zhong rotation 1
then zhong>fischl rotation 2

[tardy thunder]

That defeats the entire idea of getting 50+ stacks

[mint gate]

does each character get their own stack of 30?

[lofty karma]

why would that defeat the idea of 50+ stacks?

[lofty karma]

yes

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

Nvm misread your comment

[lofty karma]

it's the same rotation of zhong + fischl inside of yunjin ult

[mint gate]

didn't know that

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

Full team would be fischl Zhongli Rosaria Yun Jin right

[lofty karma]

yeah

what rotation length would that be?

15s + however long rosaria takes

right?

[tardy thunder]

Rotation 1: Fischl E/Q> Zhong E> Rosaria EQ>Yun Jin E Q > Zhong AA spam>Fischl AA spam E/Q at the end

Right?

[tardy thunder]

No idea

I’m bad at rotation counting

[lofty karma]

think 18s?

[tardy thunder]

Don’t see why not

[lofty karma]

if we're doing hold E zhong maybe 19

[tardy thunder]

Doesn’t he have to hold for shield?

[lofty karma]

would be ER calcs if 19s rotation and favlance rosaria

[tardy thunder]

Fischl don’t need Q ever rotation

[lofty karma]

are we alternating between E and Q every rotation?

[tardy thunder]

Ya

Q then E next rot

Then Q

Then E

So she get 2 Es per Q and Q every 38s

[lofty karma]

here we go then

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

needs literally 0 ER on fischl

[tardy thunder]

Shouldn’t it say 2 E per Q on her?

Since her Q is technically her E

Dunno if that changes anything in that calc

[lofty karma]

it counts Q as E

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[lofty karma]

and at 101 ER

that changes nothing

[tardy thunder]

Don’t think zhong needs ER too we prob don’t burst

[lofty karma]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

Especially since it’s physical Zhongli no need for burst

Easy energy

Oh you don’t have Rosaria c6 applied

[lofty karma]

or

or

we could do pike rosaria

since we have her already

though now c6 benny definitely ruins the comp

[tardy thunder]

That’s way less than zhong

In terms of procs

[lofty karma]

but it lets us run bennett

hm
that would require fav exile bennett that still manages 226 ER

And ER sands rosaria hitting 194

[tardy thunder]

Are we gaining anything by using him?

[lofty karma]

At that point... I doubt it

other question

is dragonspine spear better than pike?

prob not

[tardy thunder]

Possibly idk

Or Tassle

Or Homa

[sand sluice]

well that happened

[lofty karma]

off piece circlet

pog

[winter steeple]

@lofty karma @tardy thunder

hmm its so low

28k dps only with bennett instead of kazu

Yunjin is only 40% of yoi's dmg too

looking at this kaz might outperform Yunjin

can someone double check this

[hearty thunder]

Ain't kazuha better than Bennett on that team

[winter steeple]

oh wait i forgot Yoi's E

fk me

[tawny spoke]

[winter steeple]

idk according to noir kaz is better

[compact girder]

Kazuha provides elem dmg %

[hearty thunder]

As I have seen
With kazuha
Yunjin>bennett
With yunjin
Kazuha>bennett
With bennett
? >?

[winter steeple]

oops i meant he said bennett is better

mb

[compact girder]

Is he?

[winter steeple]

^

[winter steeple]

comparing rn

anyways dps went up to 34k so still cope

[hearty thunder]

I see

Glzz

[compact girder]

What team is this

[winter steeple]

xq bennett yunjin Yoi

[compact girder]

Can you ditch xq and go kaz

[tawny spoke]

they are calcing vape yoi

[tardy thunder]

Why is yours so different from mine

[winter steeple]

idk

ill look at your one later ,currently doing normal vape yoi

[tardy thunder]

Did you include Yun Jin?

[winter steeple]

ya

[tardy thunder]

Are you using kqm standards?

Something must be wrong then

I’ll finish my sheet in a bit

Had to take a 12 hour nap break

btw @winter steeple what rotation length do you believe yunjin yoi kazuha bennet is?

also do we know anyone who has a vape calculator so i dont have to keep playing with my artifacts manually in game to figure it out

[winter steeple]

use the em formula haha

[winter steeple]

rotation?

[tardy thunder]

i dont remember the formula

[tardy thunder]

idk prob Yoi Q(first and third rotation only) > Kazuha E Q> Bennet EQ> Kazuha E(hold) > Yunjin NENQ > Yoi E 9N2RR

im gonna return to monke pp after i finish figuring this vape shit out

@winter steeple im getting 52k dps from Yoi+Yun Jin Q alone

idk how you're only getting 32k

before counting Yun Jin Xinqiu or bennet personal damage

[sand sluice]

that with what weapon?

rust?

[tardy thunder]

Thundering Pulse

sigurd is there room for a 2nd Yun Jin E? without rotation extension?

or no?

[winter steeple]

none

[winter steeple]

im using rust r3 maybe thats why

[tardy thunder]

not sure what the gap is between TP and Rust but so far before counting bennets damage im at 62k team dps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1weIPpbfJd3fUKfMu3bmc_sOqWFSz2iAUTJfENzgOqoA/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma do you understand how to use substats for 4 star sets under kqm standards? thats the block im having with calcing exile bennet

it says they have a penalty of -2 distributed subs per 4 star piece...but we could only use 2 per 5 star piece to begin with

so does that mean i just cant use any liquid subs on them at all?

[azure folio]

ohh is this a new Yoijin team sheet with diff characters !?

hmm .. instead of "AoE" dmg oriantation .. its more of a single target focused team !?

also sadge that Benny is c6

[tardy thunder]

he doesnt need to be

its just a bit more damage if he is

cuz 15% pyro

[tardy thunder]

yeah you wanted to see xinqiu didnt you?

[azure folio]

yes

tnx

[azure folio]

bdw .. i wanted to ask something .. sorry i m bad at reading sheets but i simply got confused .. but what are these "amounth of hits" thingy !? i thought it was amount of hits Yoi does in total to get those numbers !?

i mean some got 0.5 some 4 /11 / 14 / 3 etc

🤔

[tardy thunder]

its the amount of hits example under "N1 Vape" i have amount of hits set at 4

meaning she vapes 4 N1s

[azure folio]

ohhh

then for Yunjin no Vape .. why its just 14 !? 🤔

doesnt miya does like 24 hits !?

🤔

[tardy thunder]

because i have her at 25 hits - 11 vaped 14 not vaped

[azure folio]

ahhhhh .. okay so those 2 were for the same "string" okay sorry

i thought both were diffirent

hmm .. soo Yunjin gives like 280k extra dmg in total

[tardy thunder]

between her buff and personal damage shes at 310k total

[azure folio]

understood

also .. does CV means crit value right !?

i m not mistaken there

😅

[winter steeple]

standard vape yoi seems to be 39k dps

lemme check your sheet now

[tardy thunder]

yes its (crit% times cdmg%)+1

its how i account for average damage

[azure folio]

oka

[winter steeple]

ok i can see alotta differences in assumptions

right off the bat theres 2

[azure folio]

sorry for all these questions but again .. fix me if i m wrong but some vape got 1 some got 2.145 so i take that those 1's to represent "there is no vape going on here" nd 2.145 one is "in this shot there is vape"

right !?

[tardy thunder]

Where it says 1 means that hit didn’t vape

[azure folio]

yea

so i got it correct

okay

tnx again

[tardy thunder]

And I have her Q at 0.5 for amount of hits because she does it every other rotation not every rotation

[azure folio]

okay understandable

[winter steeple]

ya applied bennett Q buff to the whole of Yoi's string, i made it buff only the first 2 n5rrs

[tardy thunder]

Why

[winter steeple]

since that was from the testing

[tardy thunder]

He lasts 14 seconds

[winter steeple]

his Q disappears

after 2nd string

also i didnt make Yoi use Q at all

[tardy thunder]

What rotation did that happen under?

[azure folio]

doesnt that varies acording to ur rotation !?

🤔

[winter steeple]

and i assumed only 3n5 n1 are done

[azure folio]

i think imo Xq Q-Benny Q then Yj Q should make it all line up perfectly right !?

unless am missing some point

[tardy thunder]

If the only thing that occurs after bennet before Yoi E is Yun Jin I don’t see why bennet would have that low up time

He has 14s duration

Yun Jin isn’t taking that long

[winter steeple]

https://streamable.com/dvkazr

i lowballed it a bit

[azure folio]

ohh .. tho if u are wasting time to use character's skills .. that might be the reason !? 🤔

[tardy thunder]

The rotation I’m using is Xinqiu EQ >Yoi Q > Bennet EQ > Yun Jin NENQ > Yoi E

There’s no way bennet uptime should be that low I would think

Are you accounting for him lingering for 2s after the field leaves?

[winter steeple]

i think i didnt

only did with the next calc

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

only increased to 36k dps

[azure folio]

that 36k with TP or r5 Rust !?

🤔

[tardy thunder]

What did you change

[winter steeple]

made the whole string have bennett Q

[abstract night]

i haven't backread properly but are these numbers with 20 fluid 9/9/9?

[tardy thunder]

Mine are

[winter steeple]

i think the difference in dps has to come from tp and Yoi's Q??

[tardy thunder]

Try using TP so that we are actually comparing the same thing

And Q

[winter steeple]

thats the only thing that different between the 2

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea how significant the gap between an r3 rust and TP is

[winter steeple]

yep both of ours are

[abstract night]

is there anyway to upload ur shet to gdocs? i dont have excel on this comp

[tardy thunder]

^

I can’t view your excel sheet either

[winter steeple]

is there a way??

[abstract night]

lol this pc is optimised for gaming only, nothing else

[winter steeple]

ive only done google sheets to excel

time to search up ig

[tardy thunder]

Also are you calcing Yun Jin the same way I am?

[radiant wagon]

youre assuming yoimiya E doesnt affect yunjin right

cuz of xingqiu cinnabar

[winter steeple]

uploaded but values are all errors

some formula isnt compatible

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[winter steeple]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1147K1x8qu3AsPBwH--m0OPS90uz6lUskgrKJChSltEQ/edit?usp=sharing

too many errors to fix , so heres the working

lemme just put the values from the excel sheet

[balmy remnant]

yeah, going from excel > sheets you have to manually convert functions to sheets

[balmy remnant]

the main error i see is that sheets doesn't use "NUMBERVALUE," it just uses "VALUE" so i think if you find the source of where it has NUMBERVALUE in your functions and just remove "NUMBER" it'll fix a lot of the errors

[winter steeple]

saw the errors now

so many cells tho😔

[abstract night]

ok apologies since i might be jumping the gun since sigurd ofc hasn't finished converting the sheet, but right of the bat i can see a huge difference in yunjins dmg between the two sheets. which i dont think should be affected by the two different bennett uptime assumptions. so you two should probably compare how ur assigning her dmg and whether its the same

[balmy remnant]

a bunch of cells are referencing cells with the "NUMBERVALUE" function, which is like 2-3 per sheet, i think, if i looked through it well enough lol

[tardy thunder]

Figured it might have something to do with how he’s calcing YunJin

Sigurd what are you doing to calc Yun Jin

[winter steeple]

oh wait ya

[tardy thunder]

It’s the flat amount from her Q times dmg bonus times cv times vape (when applicable) times res times def times amount of hits

In my sheet

[abstract night]

oh his i think it look like its just her personal e dmg

[tardy thunder]

Sigurd wyd fam

[abstract night]

but i think yoimiyas dmg isnt high enough that he assigned yunjins buff dmg to yoimiya

so im not sure, probably best to just wait for sigurd to finish transfering the sheet

[tardy thunder]

Ok

[winter steeple]

all fixed

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea how to read this

[winter steeple]

Oh I found the pro alarm

Problem

Why did it auto correct to pro alarm?

@tardy thunder Yunjin gives def multis

So her defence stat 2085 or something * 0.6xxx

Forgot to multiply the def mvs

[balmy remnant]

pro alarm = problem, that took too long for me to figure out

[abstract night]

does with in and no in refer to instructors?

[winter steeple]

Ya

[tardy thunder]

Wait so what did you do to calc her?

I’m confused as to what you actually calced her as

It’s 71.82% of her defense her at t12

[winter steeple]

Wait wat

[tardy thunder]

I have her at 2893 defense

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

So her buff is 2078 flat dmg before multipliers per hit

What did you use?

[winter steeple]

It’s 0.64 tho

[tardy thunder]

?

No it isn’t

[odd lotus]

It is

[azure folio]

he appearently used 2pc Hus 2pc Defender's will something

🤔

[tardy thunder]

It’s 64.32 before her a4

And then an extra 7.5 with a4

[abstract night]

yeah her a4 talent with 3 elements

[tardy thunder]

That is 71.82

Exactly what I said

[azure folio]

dont forget her passive bonus

[odd lotus]

Ah okay true

[tardy thunder]

It’s literally exactly what I said

[winter steeple]

Oh I read it wrongly

[azure folio]

[odd lotus]

I read this and went off this sorry

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that’s exactly what it is

[odd lotus]

Yeah wasn’t think of a4

[night cliff]

noir with your team you are thinking that sacrificing Q for 4 SR is better?

[tardy thunder]

I was but Atilla thinks doing Q every other rotation is better

[abstract night]

i would've figured the boost to yunjin was worth it

[night cliff]

Probably but I have yoi c1 by chance so i wanted to see if I have to ignore that too

[tardy thunder]

What does her c1 do

[night cliff]

Q duration is 14s with c1

So you can have like 93% Q uptime if you have enough energy off cd

[abstract night]

hmm maybe bolide is the best in ur situation then

either that or practically u just stick with what u have

[winter steeple]

fixed Yun Q buff scaling to 0.71

not much change

[night cliff]

Im currently using 2glad 2shime because I dont have resin to farm anything else

[tardy thunder]

What formula did you use to calc her buff tho

And did you apply vapes to it?

I have no idea where to see it on your sheet

[abstract night]

did u assign her q dmg to yoimiya?

[winter steeple]

yeah

[abstract night]

since yunjin only has 12k dmg

[winter steeple]

called Yunj vape and ect

i notice enemy levels are also different

lv 90 for ya and lv 100 for me

[abstract night]

her total rotation dmg is adding all the row 27 numbers together right? but how come yunjin is only totaling around 90k dmg

isnt that hella different to noirs

[winter steeple]

no clue why

[abstract night]

wait forgot the last row

u have 160k

my mistake

still noir had around 300k