Yunjin Thread

[lofty karma]

[mental ingot]

[tardy thunder]

[languid socket]

Jade cutter probably wouldn't be comparable with the black sword as a swap would it

[abstract night]

has xiangling got like 230 er or something?

im interested in how this team compares with klees one

is kazuha really doing around 400k more dpr in st in this one? and yunjin extra procs is only 149k of it

oh wait it looks like your old calc only had 4 ticks per q

[ocean nacelle]

does anyone have an idea if yunjin's burst snapshots ??

[winter steeple]

Mono pyro with Yunjin

[abstract night]

yeah his dmg looks really good here, though i guess em builds are always gonna look a little scuffed in st compared to this crit build w black sword which is fair enough. its worth it for yunjin using dmg% and crit

not sure how much personal dmg yunjin will do but if its close to 200k that would be nice

the only question is, im not sure if this does fit into a 20s rotation, 3x tap e plunge and 1x q are all roughly around 1.5s each = 6s, then iirc the n5 strings + recovery are a bit over 3s each, so x4 thats over 12s.

unless im reading wrong that would be already 18s of field time on kazuha alone

[winter steeple]

Prolly fewer n5 strings

12s is like doing it for the whole of Bennett’s Q

Xl still needs to snapshot

Likely only enough time to fit 2 strings

[abstract night]

yeah probably 2. maybe 2 and some extras thrown here and there inbetween actions. ur looking at like 6s for bennett xiangling + 1 extra funnel, which would probably be fine with that level of er, then yunjin can fit in, but idk about her er situation lol

the other issue is that since the team is reliant on bennett infusion, its not like we can do a double guoba 24s rotation instead, and like lower er reqs but higher dpr

kazuha bennett yunjin looks like a good core but xiangling is throwing things way off

[lofty karma]

would EM fischl be better?

or some cryo turret on 15s rotation

like say... rosaria?

at which point
we doing exile set bennett just to make a 15s rotation work?

[abstract night]

i thought about fischl

but overload + kazuha autos is a little unrealistic lol

[lofty karma]

yeah probably

[abstract night]

also i dont think a 15s rotation is necessary, there is definitly gonna be value in going up slightly higher to fit everyone in because of yunjins hits. just gotta find the right fit

just as it stands, the main problem is that kazuhas skills and bursts are great dmg, but they take a lot of field time up

[lofty karma]

the ER is super super scuffed on 15 s rotation

this is with exile set on bennett + fav proc on 3 chars

traveler being yunjin standin

(edited stats to match)

[abstract night]

need to propose a rotation

see what fits

[lofty karma]

thinking bennet ENQ, rosaria EQ, yunjin ENDQ, kaz Q hold E + whatever combo finishes the duration

there's also the possibility for albedo if you have him

also becomes a lot more manageable with c4 rosaria

[abstract night]

bennett will take around 2s, rosaria 2.5s, kazuha hold e q around 3.5s, not sure about yunjin but idk if its around 2s we would probably be looking at 2x n5

which is like 16 hits on kazuha right, then probably less than 20 then for the full team

hmm tbh idk about kazuha driving, idk about the mileage he's getting out of yunjin

hmm the thing with c6 bennett xiangling is, you can probably get decent amounts of autos inbetween the funneling

essentially like how national plays with xingqiu swords

u get like iirc 11 xingqiu swords there every 20s

[lofty karma]

you know
XQ also would probably work

not great since we don't have any great vape hits

[abstract night]

what about still going back to bennett kazuha xl yunjin, but xiangling/bennett driving

kazuha would mainly be for the dmg% boost, so probably just like 1 e

so he would act like xingqiu, and yunjin would be similar to sucrose u can probably weave in 2 e's instead

then get 3 bennett e's

essentially national but with reskinning xq and sucrose to kazuha and yunjin

in terms of field time

just rough

i just did 3.5 on bennett since 1 isn't funneled to xl

[lofty karma]

did you remember to edit out the refund from traveler in stats?

because that number looks way too low

[abstract night]

lol wait

no i didnt i just copied what you did

oh its 167%

with 60

[lofty karma]

Also why I've been trying exile set bennett here

[abstract night]

nah i think u can build him for dmg

[lofty karma]

which... getting exile set + fav proc is gonna be a hell of a time farming

[abstract night]

since him and xl take a lot of field time

[lofty karma]

would be easy
if I actually kept any pieces

the other thoughts are albedo if you have him
a second anemo to hold VV so kazuha can hold CW SR or Lavawalker

[abstract night]

who does albedo slot in for?

[lofty karma]

as the last slot where we'd have xianling

no ult, just E

[abstract night]

hmm but the bennett > xiangling funnelling part was a good segway into building yunjin procs

[lofty karma]

is it more procs than kaz n5 chains though?

[abstract night]

since the flaw of double pyro was that you had to do that anyway, so yunjin bonuses slotted well

probably not, kazuha does 8 per, but he just takes too much field time

and the more you have him on field the more E's you do, so it just compounds into even more field time

idk im just assuming its kinda anti synergy with yunjins concept

[lofty karma]

still thinking you do 1 hold E 1 press E max

[abstract night]

with a q thats around 5s of time

have to budget the rest of the rotation and see what u can do

[lofty karma]

A lot of this is going to essentially be how long ENDQ takes with yunjin

[abstract night]

yeah

[lofty karma]

or since bennett will be ending before yunjin

[abstract night]

thats why im predicting her teams will favour 20s rotations over shorter ones

[lofty karma]

we can also do QEND

[abstract night]

since the shorter the rotations the less milage you get out of her boosts and more time you spend doing her skills

[lofty karma]

and do 16-17s rotation or so

rotation being albedo E, bennett ENQ, yunjin ENDQ, kaz Q hold E n5 E n5

or something like that

[compact girder]

ATILLAAAAAA

hi

[lofty karma]

yes?

[compact girder]

I should put a christmas hat on

On my yaoyao

[lofty karma]

I just never take mine off

[tawny spoke]

What if

Wait yunjin procs are not separate for units right?

30 is shared?

[abstract night]

but your limit is rotation length

[tawny spoke]

Ic Ic

[tardy thunder]

Around there

[tardy thunder]

Correct but you only have 12s

You should be able to get like 50 stacks total between Zhongli and fischl tho

I forget how many exactly

[radiant wagon]

imagine if yunjin procced in coop 😔

[tardy thunder]

I was supposed to calc that a long time ago

But forget

[radiant wagon]

do co-op players get affected by burst? or no

[abstract night]

did u catch up to what i was writing after? i dont think ur rotation in your calc works

[tardy thunder]

I calced Xianling driving a long time ago

[tardy thunder]

No I literally just woke up

[abstract night]

how was it

[tardy thunder]

Good but it shouldn’t ever be better Than Kazuha on field unless somehow what I calced just completely doesn’t work whatsoever

Kazuha gained like 400k damage by being on field

[abstract night]

yeah it doesn't work

[tardy thunder]

Why

[abstract night]

i couldn't figure out your exact rotation but it was far from 20s

[tardy thunder]

Why

[abstract night]

1 sec

yeah just looking at your kazuha

it was 3x tap e, q, and 4x n5

[tardy thunder]

Ya

[abstract night]

not frame perfect but 3x tap e plunge and 1x q are all roughly around 1.5s each = 6s, then iirc the n5 strings + recovery are a bit over 3s each, so x4 thats over 12s.

thats 18s purely on kazuha

[tardy thunder]

Didn’t jrm have frame counts for the N5s that let him do 4 in 12s

[abstract night]

yeah 4 is around 12s

but the rest of it

[tardy thunder]

It was 2 N5D 2 N5E

The Es are used as dash cancels while he is on field

[abstract night]

idk about that

you could maybe shave off a little from the rough 18s

but thats still no where near enough for the rest of the team even excluding funneling

[tardy thunder]

I mathed it for no extra funneling

[abstract night]

i could record a rotation with someone instead of yunjin

see how long it is

[tardy thunder]

Also are you accounting for Yun Jin c6

Cuz I am

[abstract night]

yeah

roughly

i doubt its going to be significant

[tardy thunder]

Do you think need to replace someone then?

[abstract night]

anyway i was thinking xiangling driver would be much more realistic as its basically the same as national but swapping out xingqiu

kazuha and yunjin probably take similar field time as xq and sucrose

and you get bennett + xiangling normals during the funneling

which you have to do anyway

[tardy thunder]

She still needed like 230 ER

[abstract night]

im going off this vid i did a while back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJP8ZgIPao

this isn't frame perfect but shows how the team has a lot of potential for driving yunjin via normals as apposed to xingqiu

[abstract night]

i had xiangling around 170-180 with 0 fav weapons here

rough https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913132027371483226/920687131695927356/unknown.png

[tardy thunder]

This doesn’t have time to keep swapping to bennet for funnels

[abstract night]

it does

[tardy thunder]

You need to stay on your driver for your 30 stacks

[abstract night]

im just accepting we cant get all 30

in 20s rotations

[tardy thunder]

The rotation I had for it did

The XL Yun Jin

Unless you mean that doesn’t work either

[abstract night]

can u copy paste it here, i can record it but i doubt its gonna be 20s

[tardy thunder]

Also what if we just replace Xianling with Rosaria in the Kazuha on field team then

[abstract night]

oh cause

[tardy thunder]

That should lower rotation time since you don’t need to take time to VV and Kazuha buff her

[abstract night]

im assuming shorter rotations aren't actually that good for yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Which has been my main struggle to pinpoint a rotation

[tardy thunder]

I never said a shorter rotation

[abstract night]

so rosaria but still 20s?

[tardy thunder]

I’m still assuming 20

[abstract night]

i mean

mono pyro still does a ton of dmg

[tardy thunder]

But Rosaria should lower field time reqs since you don’t take time to VV and Kazuha buff her

[abstract night]

and the downside with double pyro xiangling is that she requires a ton of energy

so you have to do the copium funneling

but since you have to do that anyway

i mean you're doing all these normal atks from bennett > xiangling anyway

its essentially free real estate for yunjin

we just might not get all 30 stacks

but its very similar to how you proc rainswords in national

[tardy thunder]

I don’t see why not get all 30 stacks

[abstract night]

well idk yet exactly how much bennett + xiangling 3x funnels gives

[tardy thunder]

Xianling can do 32 hits in 10 seconds

[lofty karma]

looked at rosaria and the ER reqs are still kinda copium
albedo on the other or a unit that doesn't benefit from bennett

can drop before bennett

and you do a 16-17s rotation

[tardy thunder]

I’m not worried about the ER reqs

But field time

[abstract night]

i feel like u can probably get 3x 8 procs on xiangling alone

so bennett autos can actually probably cover the rest

[tardy thunder]

He’s Gonna need to be built

[abstract night]

yeah thats the plan

[tardy thunder]

I think you’re overvaluing the bennet funnels

The damage was perfectly fine without them

[lofty karma]

you should be

[tardy thunder]

Why

That’s nothing

[lofty karma]

this is with exile set + fav somehow working on bennett

[tardy thunder]

Fav should be on Kazuha

[lofty karma]

basically no one has a exile set that can support fav

[tardy thunder]

If he’s not on field

Not bennet

Remove the exile

[lofty karma]

talking about the kazuha DPS version

[abstract night]

nah why? in a national rotation you're doing this anyway. its legit almost a direct swap with xingqiu > yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Why get less Yun Jin stacks

[abstract night]

instead of driving the rainsword hits your getting yunjin hits

[lofty karma]

the problem with running yunjin like bennett funnel is absolutely terrible at yunjin driving

[tardy thunder]

Tho honestly you can prob get 30 even with a bennet funnel or two

[lofty karma]

so you'd be better off just using xq

[tardy thunder]

Replace a dash cancel or two with a swap cancel into bennet E

[abstract night]

its only terrible if you assume low amount of yunjin procs

[tardy thunder]

She does 32 hits in 10 seconds

I calced it before the 12a buff

So we have 2s more time to do it than when I calced it

[abstract night]

is that n4?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[abstract night]

so 4x8

[tardy thunder]

I spent hours testing how many n4 chains she can get in 10s before I calced it

[abstract night]

yeah so im essentially assuming 3x but getting the rest via bennett and probably 1 from yunjin en1q or something

[tardy thunder]

2 should be fine

I think 2 and still get 30 stacks should be fine

How much ER do you have her needing if 2 bennet funnels?

[abstract night]

sigurds calc would be more accurate, but doing it rough on zaks its like 200% vs 3 orbs kenki

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma what if we just use Jean instead of Xianling and go double anemo sunfire

[abstract night]

but this is with 0 favs in team

[tardy thunder]

Fav is on Kazuha in the on field Xianling version

[abstract night]

yeah true

no fav on yunjin then

[tardy thunder]

I’m also thinking if field time is of concern Jean might be better than Kazuha in the Xianling on field - replace a bennet funnel with a favonious Jean E funnel

[lofty karma]

I did think about that... but that's still 20s rotation which is kinda :/

[tardy thunder]

Reset VV

[abstract night]

what team then

[tardy thunder]

20s rotation is standard

[abstract night]

if jean is solo anemo

u cant do sunfire

[tardy thunder]

?

Why

[abstract night]

her er without raiden is insane

[tardy thunder]

Uhm

[abstract night]

its one of the reasons why raiden sunfire can work

[tardy thunder]

I said favonious

[lofty karma]

It might work with c2 jean

but I really don't see sunfire adding more damage than kaz dmg%

[tardy thunder]

The reason for it wasn’t for sunfire to do more damage than Kazuha it was to swap to replace a bennet funnel with a favonious Jean E funnel and reset VV

To get more VV up time

[tardy thunder]

I’m assuming if you did that with Kazuha then it would be too much field time

Since field time seems to be Jamie’s main concern

[abstract night]

yeah the assumption in this would be that kazuha is taking a backseat dmg wise, but mainly contributing via dmg% and vv

which is still nice

[tardy thunder]

You know you can add Yun Jin to the sheet manually right

Instead of using traveler

[abstract night]

same shit

[lofty karma]

I'm too lazy to do that

and apparently so is he

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

just edit traveler to fit yunjin stats

[tardy thunder]

Anyway we have discussed so much in so little time that I feel like I learned absolutely nothing

What am I changing

What am I calcing

I have absolutely no idea

I have time to revise stuff rn

But I have no idea what I’m revising

How long of a rotation do you think the Kazuha on field is if we don’t change anything at all Jamie?

I’ll adjust the dps to that and we can go from there

[lofty karma]

rotation of
albedo e>bennett EQ>yunjin ENDQ>kaz tap e Q n5 hold e n5 (switch E order if c1)

[tardy thunder]

Let’s first few if it longer than 20s is even an actual issue

[abstract night]

idk i'd ideally record it with someone roughly substituting for yunjin

but even if he took a bit less than 18s, thats still way too much if you wanna fit the rest of the team in to 20

[tardy thunder]

It might still be perfectly fine if it turns out 22-24s

A rotation being longer than 20s isn’t instantly the end of the world

[abstract night]

its a notable dps difference but also it can concern the c6 bennett infusion

[lofty karma]

bennett infusion is the biggest issue

[tardy thunder]

Just need 14s

[lofty karma]

you want to go bennett >yunjin>onfield

[tardy thunder]

Replacing Xianling with albedo would be the easiest solution to that

[lofty karma]

yunjin ENDQ is likely gonna eat up a fair amount of time

[abstract night]

do you know yunjins rough field time so i can figure out a placeholder character

[tardy thunder]

Since albedo does not care to be fit into bennet Q window

And also only takes 1s field time each rotation unless we use his Q for more em

[abstract night]

also xiangling snapshot

[tardy thunder]

Ask JRM he is the frame count guy

[tardy thunder]

I think at this point we are replacing her

[lofty karma]

If xianling isn't the onfield, she needs to be replaced

[tardy thunder]

I can agree with that

She makes rotations too tricky and too tight

[abstract night]

yeah essentially thats why we went back to xiangling driving

[tardy thunder]

I am curious if we could make double anemo work and be able to use 4 glad on Kazuha

[lofty karma]

if she is the onfield, she can get bennett nado while falling into bennett E(N)Q>yunjin ENDQ>onfield

[lofty karma]

not 4 LW?

[tardy thunder]

Oh duh

LW

Not Glad

Forgot that set exist for a second

[lofty karma]

or we could go SR

[tardy thunder]

I just woke up

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

Skip Q you lose a lot of damage

Anyway who am I calcing instead of Xianling

Albedo?

Gorou?

Zhong?

Jean?

||anemo traveler||?

[lofty karma]

this is ER calc for albedo team

[abstract night]

calc klee instead of yunjin so we have a baseline

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

[lofty karma]

I'd say a char people are more likely to have

[tardy thunder]

Would the field times allow for that rotation length?

Also actually favonious on bennet might be perfectly fine here tbh

Since Yun Jin buff doesn’t care about attack

The lower attack buff from him shouldn’t be a huge deal

[lofty karma]

fav+ exile bennet is gonna be hell to farm

[tardy thunder]

Uh

Stop doing exile

Plz

[lofty karma]

cutting ER on yunjin for more def is gonna be a bigger gain than whatever noblesse could add

[tardy thunder]

But Petra bennet

[lofty karma]

oh right.....

[abstract night]

oh yeah also

[lofty karma]

forgot about that

[abstract night]

i think with xiangling driver, u can get 2 yunjin e's

[lofty karma]

petra bennett is deff better on albedo team

[tardy thunder]

Idk how much Petra up time to assume tho

Also are we cutting albedo Q?

[lofty karma]

yes

[tardy thunder]

Do you have the rotation mapped out?

[lofty karma]

0 time in a 16s rotation

albedo E bennett E(N?)Q yunjin ENQD, kaz tap e Q n5 Hold E N5

[tardy thunder]

I’m assuming it would be: Albedo E>Bennet E Q>Kazuha Eq>Yun Jin Eq>Kazuha N5D N5E N5D N5E?

[lofty karma]

and swap the Es if c1

[tardy thunder]

Think that fits into 16s?

[lofty karma]

🍇

[tardy thunder]

How much Petra up time would we get there

Also is it fair for me to give geo resonance full up time there?

There will be a lot of crystals

[lofty karma]

on petra bennett?? probably through the first n5

maybe through the second E

[tardy thunder]

Ok I’ll go with that for now

Gimme like 15-20 mins

Gonna calc that

Then re-do XL Yun Jin for comparison

[lofty karma]

also 100% res uptime is absolutely fair

[tardy thunder]

Why couldn’t fav sword have been 565 base

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

851 bennet buff with fav

Guess that’s still fine

He’s mainly here for infusion anyway

Tbh if we do double anemo sucrose should be fine shouldn’t she she buff Kazuha EM which make his swirls stronger

Ah I’ll calc double geo for now then pepe scientist later

[lofty karma]

Also another reason for exile bennet
It lets you cut off 20% ER on kaz and yunjin
which is a lot given how little energy this team makes

[abstract night]

ok i got it

[lofty karma]

without exile kaz needs 173 ER

[abstract night]

this is not frame perfect
n5eplunge is roughly (2.5s+1.5s) 4s x2
n5d is a little over 2.5s x2
you're looking at like 13s field time excluding q, which his is around 1.5s
https://streamable.com/t7oqz0

[lofty karma]

so we can fit 3n5s into that instead of 2

[abstract night]

basically him driving is probably gonna be like 15s of the rotation

[abstract night]

is this 24 yunjin procs then?

thats still not bad

removing the last n5d would give you around 7s for the rest of the team

[lofty karma]

you can't do 15s because you have 2ish seconds of yunjin ENDQ, so realistically whatever driver you get will only have 12s to do their thing

also yunjin Q only lasting for 12 s as well

[abstract night]

bennett buff is around 14s too

and you need to go bennett > xl > yunjin > kazuha

dont think it all fits

[balmy remnant]

N5E is 3.6s

if you're frame perfect

but haven't we already figured out kazuha's combo with the most hits?

[lofty karma]

so tap E Q n5 n5 hold E would be able to fit one last n3 maybe?

[balmy remnant]

hold E is different

[abstract night]

i was trying to figure out if the rotation in the calc was actually 20s

[lofty karma]

or if we're doing 2 N5s first
could do hold E Q n5n5E

[abstract night]

i think that could fit with yunjins buff if she goes before

[lofty karma]

another option could be XQ instead of albedo since he similarly cannot use bennett well

[abstract night]

but the hit count would be low

hmm i think the teams are good, i think its just mapping out the rotations and then seeing which driver is actually better

[tardy thunder]

what was it?

i forget

idk if we had it updated with yun jin buff

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M-Ibea9q0ZliEriOYce3m80HfSm6pMapFWmwAZb5e0k/edit?usp=sharing this is what i have with albedo instead of XL

assuming 18s rotation

[tardy thunder]

knew it was over 30

thnx

imma pin that for my own refference

[tardy thunder]

thats also without atk speed so should be even easier with it

i wanna calc Jean instead of albedo

with JRMs kazuha frames im pretty sure we can fit in a swap or two to Jean

19s rotation with Jean maybe?

[tardy thunder]

@abstract night

[abstract night]

is xiangling still in the team? or gone now

[tardy thunder]

i linked it with albedo instead of XL

idk what yall want me to do with the XL one

[abstract night]

park the xl one

but

i dont think that albedo team is 18s

it could be 20, if im guessing yunjin eq is around 2s

[tardy thunder]

it will take me less than 10 seconds to change the rotation length

[abstract night]

i have no idea about yunjin though haven't seen footage in a while

[tardy thunder]

@balmy remnant has yun jin frames

[abstract night]

also i think bennetts infusion expires somewhere around the last n5

[tardy thunder]

Albedo only takes 1s, Bennet takes like 1-1.5s? so if Yun Jin is 1.5s and Kazuha is 14-15s, that should be 18-19

[abstract night]

i usually take 2s for bennett eq and 3s for kazuha tap e q

[tardy thunder]

Bennets Q is like less than a second tho isnt it

you can swap cancel it really early i thought

[abstract night]

i think exact frames are slightly less than 60 like around 50-55 but for team rots personally i just use 1s

so 1s each e and q

on bennett

honestly overall the xiangling team idea was fine, i think it could play better than albedo

[tardy thunder]

if i change that to 24s assuming everything else still works out the same its at 36k dps

i still wanna figure out a way to use Jean

[abstract night]

what was the yoimiya yunjin team numbers again

whichever was the strongest but also had a shield

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-Q60NQoiYtkLoNE3bnGOWQTlrmzZJsz4Jcy6WAsAjM/edit?usp=sharing

[abstract night]

thanks

how easy is 4N4RR?

on my yoimiya acc shes still lv 1

[tardy thunder]

seems forgiving enough

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qGFlSJLmXBd_7ezhl3cIMwHzdd8vM5qj5jNMlmyYM0s/edit#gid=1963893400 this is what i had for XL on field

needs to be updated

[abstract night]

both look pretty promising

50.1k on yoimiya is nice

[tardy thunder]

there are also Yoi combos that would get her more Yun Jin stacks i think

but they would be harder to execute

so i stuck with 4N4RR so no one can cry

i still need to calc Pikeli

and Pikeli Physchl dual carry

@balmy remnant can you send your zhong frames again? ill pin them so i stop forgettin

wouldnt it be funny if white tassle or dragonspine spear is better on zhong than pike in Zhong Yunjin

what was the pikeli team i was supposed to calc

i forget

zhong rosa fischl yunjin?

also ill prob finish the Klee kqm standard team dps calcs today @abstract night

i have such a long list of shit to calc that i keep forgetting things

cuz ive wrote nothing down that im supposed to be doing

[abstract night]

just eyeballing what you've already done im guessing it will end up around 55.5k

[tardy thunder]

XL needed 212 ER there right?

i forget

[abstract night]

no

way lower

it was around 190 with 3 orbs

[tardy thunder]

ah that sounds right

fuzzy memory

@abstract night have you ever tried favonious bennet in klee pp

[abstract night]

my fav sword is r1 and i have a skyward blade so nah

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RWd7p4jIjJL54gwdi73w4v-ApE0zOsptDnWj4aIHq3A/edit?usp=sharing

this has zhongli, kazuha, and qiqi

[tardy thunder]

thanks

[tardy thunder]

does it say how many attack strings are possible?

[balmy remnant]

oh, not on zhongli

[tardy thunder]

aww

[balmy remnant]

but you can just math it lol

[sour root]

If only zhongli aa was geo dmg

[tardy thunder]

Would be so good

[winter steeple]

YaeYaeYaeYaeYaeYaeYaeYaeYae

nice hotkeYae works

abit too well

wait how to stop it

[balmy remnant]

do you want to stop it?

[winter steeple]

nvm finallYae

wait

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

now it should work

y

finally

[compact girder]

NOOOOOIR

[tardy thunder]

Sup

[compact girder]

Hi noir

Hyper koko with yun jin

runs

[tardy thunder]

Every time I’ve mentioned Koko y’all said all her shit is additive not multiplicative

Idk how Kokos buffs work are they bad or not for Yun Jin

[compact girder]

Yeah but this time she has dmg bonus %

More of it

35% + 15%

And uh res shred

[tardy thunder]

How much

[compact girder]

35% from petra

15% from C2 yun jin

Andddd

28%? From kaz

[tardy thunder]

But what’s she getting from her own kit

[tardy thunder]

31.7 is what Kazuha on kqm standards with favonious should give

[compact girder]

28.8% hydro dmg

[compact girder]

Oh

[tardy thunder]

That’s it?

I don’t think that’s nearly enough to make up for not being able to crit

[compact girder]

Ic

Yeah all her dmg bonus in Q and a4 is additive

[remote nymph]

a gorou Yoimiya team

what if we replace Albedo with Yunjin

double geo so some shield shard for geo resonance, and Gorou's E will increase interuption resistance

and gorou can pick up shard for archaic petra 4

this is from Braxophone's video on gorou

[mental ingot]

Koko’s damage is mostly additive.

And she can’t crit.

So quite possibly the worst Yunjin driver that can spam NA.

[tardy thunder]

I’d rather Xinqiu with Yun Jin I think

Maybe

Haven’t a sheeted a Kazuha-less version

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder not related to Yunjin but, thoughts on 4TF Lion's Roar Xingqiu on field in Bennett field?

[tardy thunder]

If it’s not related to Yun Jin it shouldn’t be here

[tough ruin]

Do you think Yunjin is worth for Hu Tao team? Feels like I NA enough

[tardy thunder]

Haven’t calced that

[winter steeple]

https://streamable.com/pinoce

will this rotation work? @tardy thunder

around 27s rotation to do another yunjin E

Yoi's Q can be used instead of CS for pyro aura

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iO_SUW6c_kqikINitW-63piE-SHV3MNuMw3-EWnWrbQ/edit?usp=sharing

doable with double fav

[tardy thunder]

27s rotation?

Can’t do a 21s?

Seems like it works tho

What’s Yois attack string there I can’t tell

N5 I assume?

How many N5

[winter steeple]

3 N5 as per normal

[winter steeple]

Tried to force the team to work and couldn’t shorten it any more

[tardy thunder]

What are the vape counts?

[winter steeple]

N1 hit 1 , N3 and N5

For all 3

Yunjin gives a shield so Yoi doesn’t have to dodge and change her vaped hits

[jaunty parrot]

Will yunjin burst work with raiden burst?

[winter steeple]

Probably not

[jaunty parrot]

[brave rune]

[tardy thunder]

I can calc it hit we getting less Yun Jin stacks and a much longer rotation

[sand sluice]

uuuuuuh she gives a shield?

[crystal flame]

husk won't give me CV sets but i guess I'll be able to try YJ support in time

[gleaming cedar]

Is Proto starglitter my best choice for Yunjin?
other polearms that I have are:
Wavebreaker R1
Lithic R2
Crescent pike R1
Drag spine spear R1

I could also sacrifice my Favonius that I'm using on Zhongli but only if its the best I can give to Yunjin

[radiant wagon]

i think proto/favonius is the best, yunjin only rlly needs ER/DEF from her weapon

[tame tree]

how much ER does she even needs?

[languid socket]

I'm running at least 200% on mine

Hopefully that's enough

[radiant wagon]

how many geos are u putting with her?

if any

[languid socket]

Could I interject and say solo or a pair?

[tame tree]

damn, I was wishing I could run DM on her

[balmy remnant]

you should

there’s a yunjin faq smh

[odd lotus]

So there was that sussy leak that said there might be a new electro artifact set coming for keqing that boosts na damage

Which got me thinking about keqing +yunjin

Anyone know if you can dash cancel keqing NAs?

[mental ingot]

Dash cancel... NAs?

[compact girder]

Yes

Non infuse keqing does about

30 NA hits

Or 6 N4Ds

[odd lotus]

Does infusing change these numbers?

[compact girder]

Yes

Does only 20 NA hits

Or about uhhh

4N4Ds

[odd lotus]

Hmm okay

And is the infusion change just based off the infusion window?

I guess better question is

[compact girder]

Wdym

[odd lotus]

What period of time is this over

[odd lotus]

Like why does infusion change the those numbers? Is it just how many you can fit in her infusion window?

[compact girder]

12 seconds

[compact girder]

Because you need to recast E

[tardy thunder]

Because her E takes up time

You have to cast it twice to infuse

And it only lasts 5 seconds

[odd lotus]

Okay yeah

[tardy thunder]

So phys or cryo Keqing might be better for Yun Jin

[odd lotus]

Makes sense

[odd lotus]

Nah but then you can’t take advantage of mistsplitter dmg% or her q / e damage really

I guess you could use mist for cryo keqing

[tardy thunder]

That’s assuming you had most to begin with

[odd lotus]

But superconduct can fuck up freeze sometimes

[tardy thunder]

Mist*

[odd lotus]

Yeah

But I mean

Generally evaluating a unit I go w their 5* weapon

[tardy thunder]

You can just use jade instead

[odd lotus]

Jade isn’t BiS on her tho

[tardy thunder]

It would be here

[odd lotus]

Why

Mistsplitter has a lower crit stat yeah but you get the 40% dmg% to scale off for yunjin

[tardy thunder]

But you just said you don’t get the 40%

[odd lotus]

Plus keqing already has a crit ascension and the +15% crit from q

[odd lotus]

Wait

[tardy thunder]

I’m saying if you can’t fully utilize mist jade is prob better

[odd lotus]

Are you talking about phys keqing?

[tardy thunder]

Low up time on Q buff tho

[tardy thunder]

I thought that was the conversation yes

[odd lotus]

Oh sorry if I got confused

[compact girder]

The thing with keqing is shes Quickswap oriented imo

[odd lotus]

I’m saying electro you can take advantage of mistsplitter

[compact girder]

Rather not keep her onfield for a long time

[odd lotus]

Which the normal% buffs will help yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Not sure how many less NAs you get tho

If you can still get 30 or close to it should be fine

[odd lotus]

According to @compact girder you can fit 20

[odd lotus]

So would the rotation for this be: q e e 4n4d ?

And that would take about 12s?

Thanks a lot for this info btw

[compact girder]

Id go EQE

EQE 2N4D EE 2N4D

[odd lotus]

Oh so recast the e in the middle hmm

That works with cooldowns?

[compact girder]

Wdym

[odd lotus]

I wish I had frame counts for n4d haha but I’m bad at doing those

[odd lotus]

Isn’t her e cd 7.5s?

[compact girder]

Its not 5 seconds?

[odd lotus]

Nope 7.5

[compact girder]

Probably 3N4Ds then EE 1N4D i guess

Dunno

[odd lotus]

Hmmm

[worldly lintel]

for a keqing/yunjin team, how does xingqiu (sac) and kazuha sound? satisfies the 4 element requirement, xingqiu can charge himself, xingqiu swords can be taken almost full advantage of

[odd lotus]

Yeah shit frame counts would be nice

[odd lotus]

I was thinking keqing sara yunjin zhong

That only does 2 types but it’s not the biggest loss to do that

[worldly lintel]

hmm. so switch back to Sara in the middle of keqing's rotation to refresh the buff?

[odd lotus]

Well Sara c4 extends her buff uptime

Right?

I believe that was found somewhere

You’d only wanna use Sara if she’s c6 regardless

[worldly lintel]

oh I see O: yeah I don't have many cons on Sara unfortunately

also having fun with mono geo itto team so zhongli's occupied

I guess we'll have to see what the rumored new artifact set actually does

[odd lotus]

Yeah

[worldly lintel]

btw just did some digging and I don't think this is true? each hit of her burst refreshes the duration, doesn't extend it. I've only seen people talking about c4 being good for proccing elegy

[odd lotus]

I remember when she came out there was specifically something about it, I’d have to find it

[odd lotus]

I think Sara buff stays more than 6s here

[worldly lintel]

please lmk if you do!

[odd lotus]

Will do

[worldly lintel]

hmm, hard to really tell. could be that the last hit of Sara's burst happened a bit after she cast it. either way I don't think it'll last through the entire keqing combo you were describing

would be cool if it did though

[odd lotus]

Yeah I think bc the burst refreshes on hit and c4 gives more hits

It looks like the final ca wasn’t buffed there

But I’d have to do timing

@worldly lintel I’m told you get about 2 extra seconds from the buff

[worldly lintel]

gotcha, thanks!

[odd lotus]

@compact girder do you happen to know frames for keqing n4d? Or where I could find them?

[compact girder]

No unfortunately

I just tested it ingame

[odd lotus]

Ahh okay

@compact girder if u test this again and get a short recording you’d be my favorite person ever hahahaha

[winter steeple]

Kqm library https://library.keqingmains.com/characters/electro/keqing

[odd lotus]

It’s not in there

Hence why I was asking

[winter steeple]

dash is 24 frames

the other frames are in the table

[odd lotus]

Ah okay, so N4d should be about 121 frames then?

97 from N4 + 24 from dash?

[winter steeple]

Yes it is for a perfect cancel

[odd lotus]

Okay thanks!

[winter steeple]

@tardy thunder do ya have the sheet of the dps calc of Yoijin with kaz and albedo?

can ya send it again?

[azure folio]

Ohh .. if there is a sheet for yunjin .. can i also see it?

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-Q60NQoiYtkLoNE3bnGOWQTlrmzZJsz4Jcy6WAsAjM/edit

In the process of updating it to kqm new standards so Kazuha damage lower than it should be atm

Cuz he only had 8 subs and level 6 talents before

Yois damage should be correct tho

[azure folio]

that 22k under Yunjin from her buff or something !? or simply her skill nd Q dmg !?

🤔

[tardy thunder]

Her personal damage

[azure folio]

ahh

[azure folio]

is her dmg "buff" to Yoimiya that .. 2.2k thingy that writes within "Yoi dmg calc" part of the sheet !?

[tardy thunder]

It’s 247k

She’s 41% of Yois damage; a 69% dps increase to Yoi here

[azure folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/829720935535738950.gif?v=1

ohh so its this part?

there was this on top so i thought this 2.2k is the dmg provided by Yunjin per hit

[winter steeple]

41%?

Damm

[tardy thunder]

Was 52% when we thought Yoi E affected it

That’s also with only 24 Yun Jin stacks

[azure folio]

now .. i m wondering .. how much it differs to switch Xq nd Yunjin 🤔

can Yunjin even beat Xq's additions to Yoi !? within 1 rotation Yoi does around 6-8 vapes with Xq right !? but plus to that Xq's own personal dmg as well .. soo was wondering how much the diffirance between Yunjin nd Xq 🤔

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu only buffs one third of her damage

Yun Jin buffs all of it

[azure folio]

nahh i know that .. i was simply wondering .. like including Yunjin's buff for Yoimiya (which is 247k) + Yunjin own dmg .. its around 270 k total dmg contribution from Yunjin .. but for Xq .. how much is that in miya team !? 🤔

[tardy thunder]

Idk I’ve never seen a vape Yoi team sheet

I only have fireworks to compare it to

[azure folio]

ohh

🤔

[tardy thunder]

If fireworks isn’t beating Yoi Yunjin I don’t see why vape would

[azure folio]

i mean Xq is strong alone thats why .. each sword dealing around 3.5k dm .. lets say average 2k per sword (nd at c6 he got like 5 swords .. so 10k ?) .. now also add Kazu swirling both pyro nd hydro .. Xq's dmg should also increase right !? 🤔 thats why i was wondering

my Xq's ES does around average 25k ish dmg .. nd with Sac sword .. it doubles so 50k .. his swords does like 3.5k crit (but averagely lets say 2k) .. dont know .. Miya-Xq sounds a bit better to me personally 🤔

dont know .. i dont have the "numbers" to back it up tho

[radiant wagon]

does yunjin beat fireworks in aoe as well or does overload + beidou/raiden overtake her?

[rocky adder]

Is there any Yun yoimiya teams with beidoi?

[azure folio]

Albedo nd Kazuu is there to make up for the lack of AoE

[radiant wagon]

ah that makes sense

[azure folio]

but ngl .. Yoijin team ..is way too easy to keep alive i say ..there is no protection .. so you will always need to run nd avoid attacks with Miya .. soo even if Yunjin's buff for Miya for 24 hits is 247k .. thats not really easy to perform .. as u will always go and run around trying to avoid attacks of the mobs

nd crystalize is not stron enough to protect you

🤔

[tardy thunder]

Why not

[azure folio]

this my personal opinion tho

[tardy thunder]

You have geo resonance

Can use bolide on Yoi

Can use ToTM on albedo

Can use Zhongli instead of albedo if you don’t trust crystallize

[azure folio]

Zhongli sounds better option for "geo reso" + bolide Yoi

[tardy thunder]

Can use Gorou instead of albedo for crystals being pulled towards you plus micro healing and more defense

Can use bennet if you think you just need healing and not poise

I don’t see the issue

[azure folio]

tho u will loose "AoE" that Albedo constantly provides a lot 🤔 but at least he provides better protection

[rocky adder]

What's the 4th slots in these teams?

[tardy thunder]

The core is Yoi Kazuha Yun Jin

[winter steeple]

Doesn’t Yunjin has a shield?

[tardy thunder]

The 4th is flexible

[tardy thunder]

No

Check the FAQ

[winter steeple]

On hold?

[azure folio]

sadly nahh

[tardy thunder]

#913132027371483226 message

[winter steeple]

[azure folio]

hold is like Beidou's parry shield

so its not work like Noelle's or Zhongli's shield

[winter steeple]

Oh tf

[azure folio]

which stays on ur on field characters

[winter steeple]

[azure folio]

which is sadge

[rocky adder]

Don't even have kazuha so sad

[winter steeple]

Very extremely positively

Definitely

[azure folio]

if she actually had shield .. it would fix "survivalibty" issue to some degree as well

for miya

[winter steeple]

Yoi shield from Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

If she had a shield she’d be broken

[rocky adder]

Parries is more fun that sheild personally

[azure folio]

ye

[tardy thunder]

Also @winter steeple was your Yunjin Xinqiu Yoi team rotation 27s due to sac sword Xinqiu? If so couldn’t he use favonious instead?

I’m gonna try to crank out some more calcs before work after I have some cereal

[winter steeple]

Nope it’s from switch CD and needing to stay on to Yunjin for 2s for the particles

Adding them all up it’s around 27s

Or 25 if generous

[tardy thunder]

Do you not swap animation cancel?

[winter steeple]

Wats that?

[tardy thunder]

Swap CD is only 1s

[tardy thunder]

Using swap to cancel out of animations

[winter steeple]

Oh I don’t

[azure folio]

bdw i was wondering .. is the diffirance between 4pc Husk yunjin dn 4pc Noblesse yunjin too much !? 🤔

i mean obviously with noblesse u got a lot less def .. but doesnt Noblesse %20 atk increase for the team makes up for it? 🤔

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

bruh

What is you doing

[winter steeple]

23s give or take then

[tardy thunder]

Can you type out your rotation?

[winter steeple]

no wonder I can barely clear f12

Sure give me a sec

[rocky adder]

I didn't know you could do that so um

[tardy thunder]

I would imagine something like: Yoi Q/CA > Kazuha E Q> Xinqiu EQ> Yun Jin EQ> Yoi E 4N4RR should work

Don’t see why that should be 27s

[winter steeple]

Ya that but maybe 3n5 n3 is better cos icd lines up better

[tardy thunder]

Oh right vape is different

[winter steeple]

Adding an extra E to the back for Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Extra E?

[winter steeple]

That’s the only thing different

[tardy thunder]

Wym

What is extra E

[winter steeple]

Ya to use E twice she has to do it again at the end of rotation

[tardy thunder]

Yoi E twice?

I’m confused

[winter steeple]

Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Oh

[winter steeple]

The rotation is right just need to add that

[winter steeple]

Lemme record some n4rr

Up to ya which one to use tho

[tardy thunder]

Does she need to do 2?

If it extends the rotation just give her enough ER to only need 1 E

[winter steeple]

Lemme check

Also mb missed out a kaz E

[winter steeple]

I would imagine something like: Yoi Q/CA > Kazuha E Q> Xinqiu EQ> kaz hold E>Yun Jin EQ> Yoi E 4N4RR > Yun Jin E should work

Fixed

[tardy thunder]

How long of rotation?

[winter steeple]

23-25

[tardy thunder]

Why it can’t be 21

[winter steeple]

Yoimiya doing CS takes like 2s

[tardy thunder]

Is 3N5RR the best we can do even with 12% atk speed?

[tardy thunder]

Only need it first rotation tho right

[winter steeple]

Nope 3n5rr is bare minimum even with 0% Atk speed

Wait the Atk speed could mess with the icd timer

[tardy thunder]

Oh so 3 is just conservative number?

[winter steeple]

I’ll have to check

[winter steeple]

Yep

[tardy thunder]

I wonder if c2 Jean for people that have it is better than Kazuha here

[winter steeple]

3N5 n1 is normal 3N5 n3 is very hard

Kinda doubt so but maybe

[tardy thunder]

Ok I’ll use that 35 N1 for now

[tardy thunder]

Would be more comfy if nothing else cuz healer

Tho Xinqiu is already there

@winter steeple Remind me what hits vape

N1 n3 and n5?

[winter steeple]

Ya

N1 hit 1 only

[tardy thunder]

Oki

[winter steeple]

I prev thought Yunjin could give a shield

maybe Jean is better

[tardy thunder]

We worked so hard on the FAQ and you didn’t even read it

[winter steeple]

Forgot about her hold E

[tardy thunder]

Could also use both Jean and Kazuha in the PP version

Maybe

Dunno

[winter steeple]

Sun fire?

That could work

[tardy thunder]

There’s no bennet

Do you think interruption resistance is important for the PP version or no

If it’s not it can use bennet as the 4th

Also @winter steeple I have no idea how to calc Xinqiu for the vape version

[winter steeple]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

It alternates between 2-3 swords per Q tick

For c6 it alternates between 2-3-5 swords per Q tick

[tardy thunder]

Yeah so I have no idea how many to assume total

[winter steeple]

Depends on the number of ticks

Say 8 ticks for c6

[tardy thunder]

Which I have no idea how many to assume

Ok

[winter steeple]

(2+3+5)*2 + 2+3

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

25 swords

[tardy thunder]

Does he get VV or Kazuha here?

[winter steeple]

Oh 14 is safe

[tardy thunder]

Wait you just said 8

[winter steeple]

Rng

[tardy thunder]

Now I’m confused

[winter steeple]

Kazuha’s almost always

[winter steeple]

Just an example to show how many swords hit

[tardy thunder]

Oh

[winter steeple]

With 2-3-5 one

[tardy thunder]

So 14 is how many swords

[winter steeple]

45

At c6

35 if c0

Ok better get to recording

[tardy thunder]

Ok

Also does Yoi want CW instead of SR if vaping @winter steeple

I’d assume still SR especially with Yun Jin

[winter steeple]

I’m not sure how both scale now with the addition of Yunjin , think SR is BiS too tho

[tardy thunder]

Oh just realized this is full rainbow for Yun Jin passive

[winter steeple]

I like rainbows

Wait out of point

[tardy thunder]

Imma have to calc EM vs Atk sands on Yoi here too huh

Does she usually use EM or atk sands in vape @winter steeple

EM might end up being better since it buffs the Yun Jin portion of her damage while atk doesn’t

[winter steeple]

Atk if no Bennett em otherwise

I also think em will end up better

[tardy thunder]

Oki

I’ll start with EM

Even tho no Benny

But Yun Jin is so significant here I think em better

How much vape damage is 266 EM do you know @winter steeple

[winter steeple]

Nope

[tardy thunder]

Pain

It’s 44.3

Found out by playing with my Kazuha artifacts

[winter steeple]

https://streamable.com/pac8qe

seems like n1 and n3 vape relatively consistently

maybe cos i waste alotta time

oh wait

3 hit rule so its actually consistent

whoops

[tardy thunder]

I just ran numbers for 3N5 1N3

Assuming you can do that comfortably with c6 Yun Jin

Got 810296 Yoi dmg @winter steeple

This might be the play

[winter steeple]

wait how much dps?

[tardy thunder]

Haven’t converted yet

[winter steeple]

lemme know once ya have

[tardy thunder]

Are we assuming 23-25s rotation?

If so I’ll just use 24

Too bad it’s not a 21s rotation

[winter steeple]

yup

couldnt shorten it anymore

[tardy thunder]

That’s 33,762 dps then

Just her own damage

Not counting Kazuha and Xinqiu yet cuz I haven’t calced them yet

[winter steeple]

rmb that xq gets kazuhas bonus but not 4vv

[tardy thunder]

Imagine 4 N5 is possible with c6 Yun Jin

This would shoot up further

[winter steeple]

also 50k dps on fireworks is kinda off since i used t9 for even c6 beidou

will have to edit that while ya calc the rest

[tardy thunder]

Breaking down the damage share between Yoi and Yun Jin buff, Yoi is 436111 and Yun Jin is 374185

That means Yun Jin is increasing yoi damage by like what, 79.6% here?

Inseparable

Don’t think I have time to calc the full team damage before work tho

Tomorrow my day off tho

[winter steeple]

looking forward to tmr

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tV63GK6qP3OK773XLi8L2CDYlT1EmoyGz91_3yRbOFY/edit?usp=sharing

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

sheet

Imagine it turns out Yoi E actually works on Yun Jin Q

[radiant wagon]

praying for a mistranslation

[winter steeple]

it is 53k dps for fireworks since i used the wrong multiplier for t9 beidou lul

not much diff

[winter steeple]

Yoi rerun in 2.4 then

[languid socket]

That's cope but....shit

That be amazing

[tardy thunder]

Wow that really puts into perspective how strong Klee PP is

55k dps

[sand sluice]

wow, I just searched up some klee mono pyro footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVvkmklais

Now THAT's some competitive clear speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-KXPL4FiwE

[tardy thunder]

Meanwhile we have people rating her a 1.5/5 pull

[sand sluice]

I wonder if I can replicate this with a c6 yanfei

[modern blaze]

i was thinking
def/def/def is probably her best build as a pure support (with ER weapon)
but is her E damage any good? would it be a good idea to sacrifice some def for geo% or crit to make her E hit harder?

[tardy thunder]

No.

[modern blaze]

ok

[tardy thunder]

Her Q buff is like more than 10x more damage than her E

You build for the highest portion of damage not the least

[languid socket]

we drive, not swing

[mental ingot]

Swing sometimes.

For style.

[tardy thunder]

@winter steeple if You can do 4N5RR with c6 Yun Jin that’s 917,871 DPR

Ran the numbers for it just for fun

Plz be possible

959,424 if 4N5 1N1

[viral lotus]

one rotation to kill big wolf. trust

[tardy thunder]

I’m gonna calc how much it does with TP instead of Rust

I’m expecting a huge increase

[viral lotus]

[tardy thunder]

Gotta wait for my lunch break tho before I can calc

[viral lotus]

not that i'll be able to afford that bow

at least i have rust r5

[tardy thunder]

@viral lotus TP seems to be an 18% increase over Rust

Went from 810k to 976k damage

@lofty karma I think you wanted to see TP numbers right

[red island]

so what's Yun Jin BiS

[viral lotus]

did the ratio between yunjin's and yoimiya's damage change tho?

[rocky adder]

If I'm going full Q support Yun, would it be worth it to have a crit rate circlet instead of Def to help favoinus or does anyone have the damage loss from that?

[red island]

I got the deathmatch this bp noice

[viral lotus]

wait, i mean, it probably shouldn't lol

[tardy thunder]

a bit

[rocky adder]

How do people do damage calculations? I've never understood how

[tardy thunder]

wait it didnt

its the exact same

[red island]

damage per screenshot

[viral lotus]

the only thing that changes basically for yoimiya is her new att value

[tardy thunder]

the numbers got higher the ratio stayed the same

[red island]

the catch could be yun jins best weapon

[viral lotus]

from rust 510 base + %41.3att, to 608 base + 20%att

because crits and damage% affect both yoi and yunjin

[viral lotus]

i think you'll get more milage from fav no?

becuase you only care about def, there's a lot of room to focus on crit in subs

[red island]

32 bonus for geo is huge

[tardy thunder]

you're not building personal damage on her

[viral lotus]

oh, burst damage? that won't work lol

[tawny spoke]

Stack def and get er

[tardy thunder]

shes a buffer