Yunjin Thread

[rapid nimbus]

Well, at least she goes out with a smack on the enemy's forehead before she dies

[hardy otter]

Whats the duration?

[azure folio]

hey duds .. how much E.R u think Yunjin needs !? to get her Q back up 🤔

%200?

or less !?

or more !?

[tardy thunder]

Depends on the team

And rotation length

[white plinth]

if she's the only geo it'll be more

[azure folio]

gotta be the only geo for now 🤔

[tardy thunder]

That’s only NA CA

Doesn’t buff E and Q

Idk if husk would be better or worse but I think it would be fairly similar enough to be a valid set option for her

Tho if using fischl just use TS

@balmy remnant when you get chance can you provide updated Kazuha frames for 12s

[vale furnace]

Yunjin has no geo construct right

[compact girder]

No

[tardy thunder]

Sadly not

Also has anyone thought about ADC sucrose with Yunjin

[languid socket]

Yo that would be neat

Would you try taser with sucrose autos or somehow different

[tardy thunder]

Probably Sucrose Beidou Yunjin

Idk who 4th

Beidou messes up Sucrose’s EC anyway

[languid socket]

Xl kitain?

[tardy thunder]

Possibly

Or albedo

Make your swirls stronger and give resonance

Or AMC or zhong for anemo shred

Kekwait AMC would let you not need VV on sucrose

4 shime sucrose time

[languid socket]

I think I like xl just for ol strat, main issue would be which healer to go with when needed, so I guess Bennet maybe?

[tardy thunder]

Oh right need a healer

When in doubt use bouken

Or zhong for shield and shred

Zhong could also hold Petra for beidou

[languid socket]

Also enable geo resonance too

[compact girder]

Does Beidou really mess up Sucrose EC ownership that badly? I always run them together.

[tardy thunder]

@lone gust would know

[tardy thunder]

Wait if we did sucrose fischl zhong Yunjin maybe we could do a 15s rotation

[compact girder]

Damn Noir casually summoning the gods

[tardy thunder]

Just don’t use sucrose Q and use 4 shime

[languid socket]

That sounds like hard mode, I can't even get two good pieces of shime

[lone gust]

ye it's terrible in 2-3 enemy situations. In 4+ enemies it's not as bad tho

[tardy thunder]

How bad does adc sucrose with Yunjin sound

[jaunty acorn]

So most of the time

[tardy thunder]

[languid socket]

Also videos are great btw

[lone gust]

dunno

[tardy thunder]

Do you know how many NAs she can do in 12s?

[jaunty acorn]

She has a weird bug where her N1 sometimes doesn't come out, could put a wrench in the plan a bit

[compact girder]

So bad that it's described as terrible? Hmm... Well my Sucrose is still megascuffed and using 2 4* artifacts because I refuse to return to the VV domain. Guess I will still run them together until VV is added to the strongbox.

[lone gust]

not offhand

[tardy thunder]

I’ll go back to Kazuha for now then

Kazuha on field bennet c6 Yunjin Xianling sounds good

[jaunty acorn]

Think of it this way, you get a really fun way to play genshin for the price of making mountains out of maidens

[tardy thunder]

Or albedo instead of XL

[jaunty acorn]

Man yunjin is so exciting

[tardy thunder]

She’s the first character in quite sometime to give us this much to TC

[languid socket]

[rapid nimbus]

me and my unbuilt sucrose C5

[compact girder]

Ah, the Dynasty Warriors sales pitch

[tardy thunder]

Wait a minute

I have an idea

Kazuha on field bennet c6 Yunjin and Zhongli as last slot

And you use

HoD

On Kazuha

Since Yunjin doesn’t give a fuck about your attack to begin with

It’s low base won’t matter

[jaunty acorn]

OH MY GOD YES

[tardy thunder]

And she will love that 102 cv

[jaunty acorn]

Albedo as a carry (HoD)? I mean he already stacks CV and he doesn't really build Atk either

[tardy thunder]

Albedo doesn’t have any multi hits

[jaunty acorn]

Oh true enough

[tardy thunder]

It could work tho?

If he’s on field he gets a lot of NENs

Would need to know how many NAs he get in 12s

[jaunty acorn]

That's kind of easy if it's just NENs, CD of his ES is 4s so around 6

5

Yeah 5

[tardy thunder]

only 5 hits?

[jaunty acorn]

Eh probably not worth if quickswap

[tardy thunder]

No I meant him on field for 12s straight

[jaunty acorn]

Oh hmm I'm not sure how many

[tardy thunder]

The NENs would be E off cooldown as an animation cancel

Instead of a dash

When it’s up

[jaunty acorn]

Ahh I see

[tardy thunder]

Problem with that tho is his autos are physical

We have no geo converter

[compact girder]

And the HoD passive uptime could be a bit annoyting

[jaunty acorn]

Only other thing that comes to mind are catalyst users

[tardy thunder]

Zhong should make it easy

HoD Kazuha tho

[compact girder]

mostly match up dependant, but it will become harder as more mechanics are added to the game.

[tardy thunder]

Or Kaeya freeze team

Or Xinqiu

Xinqiu bennet Yunjin Zhongli on field Xinqiu

Wait his autos can’t be hydro

Nvm

[compact girder]

Kaeya can heal... maybe it will enough to offset any shield piercing bullshit...

[tardy thunder]

Back to kazhuha

[compact girder]

Ah shit, the scaling of that heal is awful, nvm

Just get C6 Zhongli then, EZ

[tardy thunder]

Just use healing abyss cards for chip damage

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu also heals

And Kaeya freeze use Xinqiu don’t jt

Kaeya Xinqiu Yunjin chongyun

[compact girder]

Hmm... but then there's no shield unless Kaeya is C4 and mostly dead

[tardy thunder]

Ah well

[jaunty acorn]

I guess XQ's DR is kind of a shield

[tardy thunder]

Back to Kazuha zhong Yunjin bennet(c6)

[compact girder]

Aaaah shit I got it. The Bell Chongyun

[jaunty acorn]

Kazuha pyro goblet? Or hybrid EM?

[tardy thunder]

Shield is only for character with the weapon

[tardy thunder]

Crit/pyro/em probably

With HoD

[jaunty acorn]

That makes sense

[compact girder]

Im gonna do some keqing stuff

[tardy thunder]

With a crit rate hat and HoD and kqm standards Kazuha would have 97 CR 176 cdmg

[jaunty acorn]

Omg yes

[lofty karma]

Wait... If we don't have physchl c6
Physchl
Rosaria
Xq
Yunjin?

Phys with BS

[tardy thunder]

Interesting

[lofty karma]

Mhy please give us ability to turn off cons

[tardy thunder]

Could probably use Mona instead of Xinqiu

[lofty karma]

Maybe

[tardy thunder]

Even if Yunjin messes up the omen extension fischl should dump out stacks fast enough for the majority to get omen buff

Which is a fat 60%

And why I want to consider Mona driver

[tardy thunder]

Prob meme tho

[lofty karma]

With 12s duration
You can totally just ult yunjin before mona

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin E Q Mona EQ then Fischl come in and NA spam?

[lofty karma]

You can probably ENQ with mona

[compact girder]

Keiqng does 6N4Ds in 12 seconds

Which is 30 yun jin procs

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

Is this phys keqing? Or electro?

[compact girder]

Electro

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Doesnt make a difference anywyas

[tardy thunder]

Have to fit Es in there then

It does make a difference

[compact girder]

Yeah

[lofty karma]

What about.... Pyro kek

[tardy thunder]

Cuz gotta fit Es

[tardy thunder]

Pyro Keqing suck

[compact girder]

Oh i forgot about that

[lofty karma]

Ok fine
Cryo kek

[tardy thunder]

Suck

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

That’s so tight on team slots

I hate it

I’d rather use Kaeya at that point

[compact girder]

If Anemo Keq also sucks she's gonna be cracked

[lofty karma]

Well if you hate it
I have to love it

[tardy thunder]

Or just get an ayaka

Phys keqing might be good tho

[compact girder]

4 N4Ds

With es in

Scuffed gameplay tho

[tardy thunder]

Keqing Rosaria Yunjin Zhongli/albedo/Gorou

[compact girder]

If perfect maybe u can do 5 N4ds

[tardy thunder]

Not 20

[compact girder]

I dont like phys keqing because its like 10% of her kit

[tardy thunder]

Go physical and get 30

[compact girder]

[balmy remnant]

what combo?

[tardy thunder]

N3D and N5D

Need two of them to be E instead of D tho

[compact girder]

How much damage does a phys NA keqing do compared to electro

[balmy remnant]

what are the frames for a kazuha E

[wheat valley]

Who's the Mihoyo spy here

[compact girder]

[compact girder]

Whos nc3 is this

I wonder if Yunjin could fit in a Klee PP team, maybe holding petra?

[wheat valley]

This was Ningguang. I don't think the frame counts are right though

[compact girder]

She has so many different frames

I hate it

I was able to do 4 N3Cs in 12 seconds tho

Which is like

24

[tardy thunder]

No clue

[compact girder]

Compared to around 6N2Cs

Which is also 24

But N2Cs pump out CAs faster

So i think N2Cs are still the way to go

[wheat valley]

Well

It could just be

Your player skill issue

[compact girder]

Smh

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

Go do it with your perfect ningguang hands then

I have boomer hands and its 3 am

[balmy remnant]

i need footage of the earliest you can NA out of whichever (tap/hold) E you'd want in the combo, and if you can cancel NAs like a dash, but using E

i don't have kazu kid

anyone here have C2 jean and kazu kid?

[mental ingot]

I’m at work, though.

[balmy remnant]

all these panda emotes

[mental ingot]

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/HfyAoghHRnU

Actually probably only one needs to be an E cancel instead of dash cancel

[balmy remnant]

so you can use it like a dash cancel, nice

[tardy thunder]

Or maybe not

Idk

[balmy remnant]

and you can NA almost immediately after plunging, nice

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Okay i managed to squeeze in 5 N2Cs and 1 AA

C6 yun jin should make 6N2Cs possible

[tardy thunder]

Is this Ning?

[compact girder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

What happened to N3

[compact girder]

Same as N2Cs

[tardy thunder]

Exact same amount

[compact girder]

I could get 4N3Cs in 12 s

[tardy thunder]

?

[compact girder]

No

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder kazu

[tardy thunder]

Oh that’s no hitlag

[balmy remnant]

yeah lmao

and no ATK SPD

[tardy thunder]

N5 seems to be the better combo tho right

[balmy remnant]

is tap E a low or high plunge?

[balmy remnant]

i just assumed high plunge, and yeah N5 seems better

[wanton beacon]

Yunjin's buff is additive right ?

[wheat valley]

Always high

[tawny spoke]

The 15% normal dmg bonus?

It should be

[wanton beacon]

the one from her ult

[tawny spoke]

🤫

[tawny spoke]

Oh her main buff yeah it works like the redhorn,donut or ZL passive.

:A_HuKek:

[tardy thunder]

High

Seems like 30 will be possible then?

[balmy remnant]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Rotation would be: Zhong E>Bennet E>Kazuha E Q>Bennet QE>Yunjin EQ>Kazuha N5 spam?

Or should we try to snapshot his Q

[balmy remnant]

did you split bennett like that so kaz could get maximum benny ult duration?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

Was worried about expiration

[balmy remnant]

[tardy thunder]

Also trying to figure out at what point Petra would expire if it’s on bennet

[balmy remnant]

and he'd ideally pick it up during his Q E?

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

Petra bennet so Yunjin can use husk

I’ll calc it once we have reasonable assumptions on that to go off of

I was thinking of going with Kazuha N5E N5D N5D N5E N2, with Petra falling off at the start of the last N5E @balmy remnant

Seem reasonable?

[balmy remnant]

hold

[mental ingot]

[balmy remnant]

i think you can do more in that combo

do you think it's worth to snapshot kazu ult? because benny ult lasts 14 seconds max or (leftover duration + 2) depending on when you get on field, so realistically you have about 2 seconds of room to play with if you still want benny buff to last for Yunjin's full 12 seconds

but then that would also cut petra time

@tardy thunder rotation to snap kazu ult would be Zhong E - Benny EQ (crystal pickup) - Kaz EQ - Yunjin EQ - then Kazu Unga Bunga right?

but that would leave petra with about ~5.5 seconds left when you get back to Kazu, and benny ult would only last for ~9.5 seconds on Kazu

do you think that's worth it?

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

No

You need bennet on Kazuha the full NA time

[balmy remnant]

then we'll stick with your original rotation

[tardy thunder]

Otherwise he stops doing pyro damage

[balmy remnant]

so we only have 2 seconds of headroom

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

yunjin EQ takes a little under 2 seconds but practically 2 seconds, which leaves petra on Kazu for 8 seconds about

[tame tree]

how worse is the Yoi + Yunjin combo after we learned that her Q isnt affected by Yoi E normal attack buff?

[tardy thunder]

About 7% iirc

Let me pull up my sheet and simulate it again

[tame tree]

wait, that isnt as bad as I thought

[tardy thunder]

With no Yoi E buff affecting Yunjin I have it at 902,851 team DPR

With, 1,037,536

So 13% actually

[tame tree]

okay, so its worst, but not as much as I was expecting

[tardy thunder]

A lot needs to be reconsidered now tho

[tame tree]

was legit expecting a 20-25% decrease

[balmy remnant]

AP will wear off about halfway through the 2nd N5D

[tardy thunder]

for simplicity sake can I just give the second N5D 17.5% instead of 35%

[balmy remnant]

if you want the specific, it wears off after N4, then the N5 at the end doesn't get it

[tardy thunder]

So does the way I said before work?

[balmy remnant]

which way? AP falling off the start of the last N5E?

[tardy thunder]

Wait now I’m confused

[balmy remnant]

me too lmao

[balmy remnant]

i think give it 26.25%

right?

[tame tree]

wait, is this with the passive buff already?

[winter steeple]

Wats the tced team?

[balmy remnant]

a lot

but what i was gonna reply to you in theorycrafting was Yoi, Albedo, Kazuha, Yunjin

[winter steeple]

How does it perform vs fireworks Yoi

[balmy remnant]

i was gonna link noir's team dps sheet but it's not updated with the new Yunjin C2 i think, and Yoi E interaction

[winter steeple]

Ok, I’ll check with Noir later

[balmy remnant]

a little scroll up and you can see Noir say without the Yoi E interaction the team DPR went down 13% to 902,851

but idk if that's with the new C2 or the assumption he put using the old C2

[winter steeple]

@tardy thunder can ya share the current sheet , if it hasn’t been done alr I can help calc Yoi fireworks with similar investment for comparison

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-Q60NQoiYtkLoNE3bnGOWQTlrmzZJsz4Jcy6WAsAjM/edit

Used kqm standards

[tardy thunder]

It’s not. Edit: wait what buff are you referring to?

[tardy thunder]

Oh c2

I haven’t changed that yet

[tame tree]

yeah, I meant C2, mb

[tardy thunder]

Should go up a little

[faint hornet]

Wait, it isn't? Why not?

[tardy thunder]

Apparently Yoi E is a direct multiplier to her MV itself, before damage bonus crits etc.

[tame tree]

basically Yoi's E (and XQ's C4) is a base MV increase

so they dont affect buffs like Yunjin Q or Cinnabar Spindle passive

so instead of:
(Yoi ATK * her MV + Yunjin DEF * her MV) * Yoi E buff
its
(Yoi ATK * her MV * Yoi E buff + Yunjin DEF * her MV)

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin was more than 50% of Yois damage before

Now she’s 40% of it

[tame tree]

50k DPS is still pretty decent right?

[faint hornet]

Wow, now I'm just flashing back to the convo where I questioned the order of operations and was condescended to.

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tame tree]

so I guess its still fine

[faint hornet]

Yoimiya still gonna be one of if not the best driver.

[tardy thunder]

I have a lot of faith in the Kazuha driver idea

[faint hornet]

Why Kazuha over Ayaka?

[compact girder]

Better hair

[tame tree]

[sand sluice]

Wait when did we learn about this?

What %bonus work with her buff anyway? Glad should work too?

[sour root]

This scared me

I back read and now i realize that its how i always calced it

[tardy thunder]

Hmm do you guys think I could replace Zhongli with albedo in the Kazuha driver team

And still keep HoD consistent

[faint hornet]

Harbinger of Dawn? Heart of Depth?

[tardy thunder]

The weapon

[faint hornet]

I think corrosion's an issue regardless.

Why not just use Spindle on Albedo?

[tardy thunder]

On Kazuha

Not albedo

[faint hornet]

Oh.

It still falls apart with corrosion regardless.

WHICH IS WHY

Qiqi driver.

[tardy thunder]

Only if there’s wolves

[tardy thunder]

Yes

200iq

HoD Qiqi

Must calc

Qiqi Yunjin uhm who else

[white plinth]

beidou fischl

[faint hornet]

Gotta have Beidou in there.

[tardy thunder]

What’s her usual driver team?

[white plinth]

harbinger of dawn, 4clam on qiqi

[tardy thunder]

Clam Qiqi wants sac sword tho

[white plinth]

if she's attacking there should always be a talisman on the target anyway

[tardy thunder]

Doesn’t it have a long cooldown?

I’m not super familiar with how she works

[faint hornet]

Yeah, her ascension talisman is only 6s every 30s.

[white plinth]

oh it does

why does everything qiqi have long cooldowns

[faint hornet]

But if you time her E right, you can heal consistently for 21/30s consistently.

[tardy thunder]

I’m tempted to believe that Qiqi with Yunjin would be better off just using 2 BS 2 PF atk/crit/phys

[faint hornet]

Second rotation's an issue then ofc.

[tardy thunder]

[versed owl]

herroo

[tardy thunder]

First rotation E second rotation Q third rotation E

[faint hornet]

That could work with enough energy, yeah.

[tardy thunder]

4th rotation would be an issue if her Q can’t be back up for jt

[tardy thunder]

Energy isn’t really factor there until 4th rotation

[faint hornet]

Yeah, that's what I meant. lol

[tardy thunder]

If needed she can use an ER sands

Since her attack doesn’t affect Yunjin Q at all

[faint hornet]

If you're alternating E/Q in rotations, you kinda nerf her C1 though.

So she needs more energy.

[tardy thunder]

How fast can Qiqi get 30 stacks?

I’m inclined to believe you could run it “dual carry” with Qiqi fischl and get 30 stacks on both of them

Or close to it

[tardy thunder]

Idk what her c1 does

[faint hornet]

When her E hits an enemy, she regains some energy.

But only if they have a sigil on them.

[tardy thunder]

So if she’s c1 she might be able to EQ in the same rotation and still Q next rotation?

[faint hornet]

But then you have long rotations 'cause that awful cd.

[tardy thunder]

No I don’t mean timing it around E

[faint hornet]

But yeah, it's more possible.

[tardy thunder]

I mean like first rotation EQ

Second rotation Q

Third rotation E

Or EQ if it’s up again

[faint hornet]

It really depends on a lot of things. It's not like... the most consistent energy.

[winter steeple]

Lv90 and t9 huh ok I’ll calc fireworks Yoi with that and compare later

[sand sluice]

dunno bout you guys but I'll drop a lot of rolls on 2.4

[faint hornet]

Against ST, I think it's at most 10 energy back.

MT, it's up to 18 due to how her periodic damage works.

[tardy thunder]

Don’t forget it’s kqm standards for full team tho

[white plinth]

wtf are kqm standards

[tardy thunder]

They are pinned in #・tc-lounge

[tame tree]

when people tested Cinnabar on C4 XQ

[faint hornet]

Hm, so is Spindle viable?

[rapid nimbus]

Come on, let's go visit Diona's humble abode. I'm sure she can serve you something that'll let you relax, and see the reality for what is is.

[viral lotus]

omg, yunjin's E is 40% from the total damage of yoimiya's normal attacks?

[tardy thunder]

it was more than 50%

before we found out Yois E doesnt buff it

[viral lotus]

oh it's additive?

[tardy thunder]

it multipliers Yois MV itself

so its accounted for before Yunjin Q

[viral lotus]

and nothing else?

bizarre

this gives me some baal beidou flashbacks . I still hope this comp will work, I want to have a good reason to roll for yoimiya on a rerun

[tardy thunder]

it lost 13% of its team dps but its still really high

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder noir can you hand me the ning calc again

[sour root]

i had no idea u guys were calcing it this way to begin with

its basically a "flat dmg bonus"

[tardy thunder]

It needs to be fixed

Cuz I gave her CA 3 jades

On N2

[viral lotus]

flat damage bonus, but before any damage modifications [crits, reactions, damage%, def, resistances, etc etc]. It basically merges with the normal attack's base damage.

[sand sluice]

Does it take after the normal attack's element or is it phys?

[viral lotus]

takes after the normal attack's element

its not a separate "number"

[sand sluice]

Nice.

[viral lotus]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/yunjin/?lang=EN

you can see that the description does not mention the type of damage

any ability that directly does damage has its damage type explicitly mentioned.

if it were to do a specific type of damage, it would say it deals geo damage or physical damage explicitly

[tawny spoke]

Im gonna wait till a gigachad calcs a Tao with Yunjin

[winter steeple]

@tardy thunder

44k dps

oh wait shit forgot to include beidous c6 on fischl

[timid portal]

[winter steeple]

45k dps

includes minor aoe mods for all relevant attacks so beidou works

your YunJin Yoi sheet had her team at 50k dps right?

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder thoughts on Yunjin driver Albedo?

Actually nvm

[tame tree]

if her Q buffed CAs

[wintry spindle]

About Qiqi being a Yunjin driver. Not sure if it works, didnt do the test myself, but IF skyward blade's procs deal normal attack damages when you proc them with normal attacks, Qiqi could proc 28 of the 30 procs in only 2 combos after using ult. Won't be HoD level multipliers on Yunjin's procs, but it certainly will help if you wanna proc them with 2 drivers. And it gives attack speed and is an overall good Qiqi DPS weapon.

[mental ingot]

Weapon procs generally don’t count as attack type damage. Pike procs don’t get boosted by Glad 4P and I expect Skyward Blade to be coded the same.

[modern blaze]

the reason hu tao does CA spam is because of the separate ICD enabling vaporizes on all CAs right? what if you build PP tao with 4p petra yunjin and go for NA spam instead?

[sand sluice]

nah, the usual HT/XQ but with Fischl/Yunjin instead

HT will exclusively use NAs.

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin team still higher?

Yeah still higher

Mines at 50k before being adjusted to new kqm standards

And new c2 Yunjin

Yunjin supremacy

[sand sluice]

she's the most decent 4* released since forever I feel

[tardy thunder]

I think she’s the best post release one ever

If nothing else she’s definitely the most universal

[sand sluice]

yeah once people start cranking out good teams she'll be making waves

[tardy thunder]

I’ve already started

I’m gonna calc zhong fischl “dual carry” later

Physchl Pikeli Yunjin Rosaria

[grizzled schooner]

Are yunjin’s best teams just phys polearms?

[tardy thunder]

There’s so much more

[grizzled schooner]

Other than Ninguang and yoi who’s also good with her?

[compact girder]

Qiqi possibly

[modern blaze]

noelle
aloy
physchl? i think

maybe even razor, if someday he becomes meta

[tardy thunder]

Xianling

There’s also a lot more I haven’t calced

Kazuha should be good

Rosaria should be too

Possibly ayaka

It’s a long list of possibilities

[compact girder]

herself

[tardy thunder]

^

[mental ingot]

[remote nymph]

hi I was directed here to learn more about any Yunjin comps you guys have thought about?

[balmy remnant]

there's a lot

[tardy thunder]

A lot

Any specific characters you were thinking with her?

[remote nymph]

oh

ah

lemme just grab a SS of what I have

while i'm also shooting for kokomi, which in my mind does have some use with Yunjin

also Raiden, and Childe too?

[tardy thunder]

Koko and Raiden no

Childe possibly

[remote nymph]

here we go

[tardy thunder]

Childe is on my list of things to calc but I keep forgetting what the team should be

[modern blaze]

childe benny XL yunjin?

[mental ingot]

+ Yunjin.

C4 Childe.

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea

Problem with Childe is it feels like there is 0 room to change anything in his teams

[modern blaze]

yea i was just thinking that

the XL comp has to trade benny or VV for yunjin, probably not worth

[tardy thunder]

Feel like it would need to be freeze childe for her to fit in

Just go full hyper childe

Childe Rosaria Yunjin Jean?

[modern blaze]

[tardy thunder]

Or zhong instead of Jean

[modern blaze]

no benny?

[mental ingot]

C2, Jean?

[tardy thunder]

Bennet doesn’t affect Yunjin

[mental ingot]

Abandon Benny.

[tardy thunder]

So VV should be better

[modern blaze]

but benny enables vape burst?

[tardy thunder]

Then i give up

[mental ingot]

You’re not building for vape burst.

You’re going for Yunjin driver.

Yunjin does not contribute to vape burst.

Build that with other characters.

[remote nymph]

what about

Diluc?

def noelle can use her

[modern blaze]

you can build mono geo def scalers, it should work well specially with the duration change to 12s
diluc probably doesn't work well with her though

[mental ingot]

Diluc with cons, probably. He doesn’t swing normals fast enough at C0.

[tardy thunder]

How many NAs does Diluc do in 12s? And how many are vaped?

If enough of them are vaped it could be worth

But you’d have to trade either bennet or VV

[mental ingot]

You’d probably want Shimewawa Diluc for normal spam.

[tardy thunder]

Just skip his E and NA spam instead?

Could be worth looking into

[compact girder]

And a C6 Benny...

[mental ingot]

Cons support E/NA weaving.

[compact girder]

🤔

[tardy thunder]

I don’t have Diluc so I can’t test how many NAs he gets

[modern blaze]

going back to childe
that comp you propose sounds the best to make the best out of yunjin buff
but i'm worried about ER% requirements

[mental ingot]

I have him but I’m at work.

[river yew]

I don't know if you guys already talked about it, but do you think that the fact that Cinnabar Spindle passive doesn't get affected by XQ C4 mean that Yunjin will also not get affected by yoi E?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

Already adjusted my math for that

[river yew]

oh well

[tardy thunder]

It’s still really good

Apparently still has higher team dps than fireworks

She’s still increasing Yois dps by like 40%

[river yew]

Fireworks is more of a AoE comp anyways

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[river yew]

btw is it like with c6 or?

[tardy thunder]

In my calcs I just assumed c6 makes your combos more comfy

The combos I used are perfectly doable without c6

[river yew]

so it's basically c5

[tardy thunder]

Basically c4

[river yew]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

Her E talent levels don’t really matter

[grizzled schooner]

[tardy thunder]

?

[dark pendant]

I'm a bit lost. Why will she be good with Xiangling? Her best teams don't use her AAs

[tardy thunder]

That’s why we make new team

Use her with Yunjin and a c6 bennet

Use Xianling on field AAinf

With pyro AAs thanks to bennet

[dark pendant]

Oh, that makes sense

So I'm guessing the team would be Bennett C6 - Xiangling - Yun Jin - Anemo VV?

It get directly compared to other Xiangling teams though, which are all very strong

Are there any calcs on Yun Jin's DMG boost?

[tardy thunder]

Yeah bennet Xianling Yunjin and Kazuha or Zhongli most likely

I thought Xinqiu would work as 4th but there’s way too much pyro even for a c6 Xinqiu

Zhongli if shield is needed, Kazuha if not

Thoma c6 should also work instead of Zhongli if you need shield

Actually I wonder if that would be better

Since pyro more team energy

[dark pendant]

VV shred is usually more damage than double Geo (at it is on Hu Tao)

I'd personally go Sucrose/Kazuha

And yea, Xingqiu won't be that good on that comp

[tardy thunder]

Yeah it will be Kazuha if you don’t need a shield

Zhong/Thoma is just if the shield is needed

I don’t think it should be tho

[winter steeple]

mb didnt add feathers to the entire comp whooops, its 50k also

[azure folio]

umm folks its a stupid question but .. do we know how much particles Yunjin generates with her ES !?

[winter steeple]

being matched with beidou isnt a bad thing at all tho

[tawny spoke]

2 tap
3 on hold

[azure folio]

okay tnx

[winter steeple]

beidou with benny without using benny

[tawny spoke]

Why exclusively use NAs when u can N2C

16 yunjin stacks (c0 with 8n2c)

Idk how many N3C tao can fit tho

[tardy thunder]

Wait what does that mean

[tawny spoke]

U have bennett but ur not using bennett

[tardy thunder]

I do not understand

He’s on the team but not being used?

[tawny spoke]

Probably

Wait thats talking about yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea

I’m trying to figure out what “with bennet but without bennet” means

[tawny spoke]

If its a description about yunjin then its right

U will get it eventually

[tardy thunder]

What

Ok I think I understand

He’s saying he’s he fireworks is using bennet and the Yunjin team isn’t using bennet, but is matched with the fireworks team?

[winter steeple]

ya , i realise now how vague i was

hahahaa

[tawny spoke]

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I thought you were saying the beidou team had bennet in it but didn’t use him

[mental ingot]

[lusty pollen]

whats yunjins kit in short?

[compact girder]

Single target beidou that uses the crit and dmg% of the unit onfield

[pallid prawn]

Cast her Q on field normal attack got stronk

Also Def scaling

[lusty pollen]

shes a sub-dps?

[compact girder]

Sort of yes

[pallid prawn]

More of a support for me

[lusty pollen]

does she buff anyone at all? Or is her kit solely for buffing herself

[modern blaze]

the entire party
she adds some damage to NAs based on her def similar to how ZL boosts his damage based on his hp

in a way she's more of a damage buffer than a sub-dps
she will play more like benny than fischl for example
you won't see big damage numbers coming from her but she will boost your on field character's damage

[pallid prawn]

Everyone get a 30 stacks per person too

[lusty pollen]

would her bis be an er weapon and 4pc husk?

[modern blaze]

yep
you also want to go for def/def/def afaik, since her dmg buff doesn't scale with her crit or dmg%

[compact girder]

Well you could

40k is attainable with full def and a gorou

[modern blaze]

you can also use 4p petra to buff your on field dps i think

[compact girder]

If elemental yes

[lusty pollen]

oh and speaking of gorou, in anyway would he be able to be a subdps? since his dmg scales off def

[river yew]

aren't her ER requirements like sky high

[compact girder]

Depends on team

[modern blaze]

depends on team comp
if she's the only geo (or the other geo is not a good battery) then yes she needs a lot of ER

[river yew]

So ig everywhere but like pikeli and ningguang team

or ig if you want to use zhongli

[modern blaze]

yea i think her rainbow team passive is nice but in practice you probably want at least geo resonance for the energy

[compact girder]

Fav gorou

I think ningguang can allow her to stack full def

[modern blaze]

the good thing is that her ascension stat is ER (at least for now)

[compact girder]

Cinnabar polearm would be perfect for yun jin

[modern blaze]

yep, i kinda hoped she would be a sword user
liyue has too many polearm users

[remote nymph]

so who has the best synergy with Yunjin atm

I'm prefarming for her but then realize i mgiht have none to work with her yet

[tardy thunder]

A lot of characters

[timid mirage]

Is she best slot in any teams tho

[remote nymph]

can you give me about 5 good examples?

[compact girder]

Noelle Ningguang Pikeli Yoimiya Physchl

[remote nymph]

ah nice

so at least I can use her in some way

thank you

i can sleep now

[compact girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yhiwrjfqd0

@tardy thunder

Shes fast

We have her c6 Buffed N5

Oops

[languid socket]

what would be the better team with ningguang, off field damage the duo or is it double geo pyro?

[balmy remnant]

smh you didn't even @ the frame counting guy

[compact girder]

Who?

[balmy remnant]

me

[compact girder]

Oh

https://streamable.com/bhsby4
@jrm.spirit#2671

@balmy remnant

There we go

[balmy remnant]

you must be funny if you think i'm using that quality lol

i found the original facebook post

[compact girder]

Ok good

[balmy remnant]

her knockback could hurt her because N4 misses smh

[compact girder]

Maybe N3 D then

[tardy thunder]

Omg she fights so gracefully

[compact girder]

She can do 42 hits with c6

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

How many seconds would it take her to do 30?

[compact girder]

Hmm dunno

But dish said 42 hits was in Q duration

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

I guess 10 seconds

[tardy thunder]

Was hoping she could do it in like 6

For the “dual carry” style idea

[balmy remnant]

this video has an ult duration of 10 seconds

[tawny spoke]

its old obviously

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder @compact girder

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder

[balmy remnant]

not the double ping

[compact girder]

OH

LMAO

sorry noi

[balmy remnant]

more but i wont ping noir

[wheat valley]

Doesn't matter against heavy stuff

[mental ingot]

@tardy thunder

[sand sluice]

Gonna try to do Normal Attack Hu Tao when she comes.

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Hello noir

[tardy thunder]

Hi

[compact girder]

Shenhe thread is discussing carry shen with yun jin

Noone has counted frames tho

[tardy thunder]

team?

Shenhe Yunjin chongyun Jean?

Or Xinqiu instead of Jean?

[compact girder]

Hmm sure

[mental ingot]

[white plinth]

idk where the damage comes from in that team

[tardy thunder]

Main dps Shenhe

[white plinth]

i know that's the intent but it sounds horrible

minimal buffs, no synergy

[tardy thunder]

Well idk what Shenhe main dps with Yunjin would be then

[white plinth]

sounds like something out of a random team generator

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin - buff Shenhe autos

Jean - VV

Chongyun - how else will you do cryo autos

[white plinth]

yea it's like someone rolled "pyro autoattacking qiqi" from rng and went "well shit i'd better throw in bennett for infusion, jean for vv, and yunjin for more dmg i guess"

[tardy thunder]

You got a better idea then?

Only other thing I can think of is doing physical Shenhe

[languid socket]

I mean the intent is to merely see what her damage ends up being

Since they don't have results of her being main dps right

[tardy thunder]

Okay how about pyro Shenhe

[crystal flame]

cryo infused NA benefit from cryo% gobelet and 4BS set
I don't even remember, does superconduct knockback mobs?

[tardy thunder]

Shenhe bennetc6 Rosaria Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

SC doesn’t knockback

[languid socket]

I feel like the original cryo one is important to have

[compact girder]

Shenhe can consume all of yun jin stacks

[sand sluice]

wait until they release someone who can do NA damage off-field

[tardy thunder]

Childe c4

I’m hoping Ayato kit is basically childe c4 but a lot faster

That would be broken for both Raiden and Yunjin

Drive beidou for Raiden

[mental ingot]

Release 5* to boost 4*.

[lusty cave]

Xiangling and every five-star polearm

[white plinth]

raiden and xiangling

childe and xiangling

[compact girder]

kokomi and xiangling

[mental ingot]

Xiangling.

[bright ocean]

[honest hare]

so another Xianling buff...

[winter steeple]

YunJins Q damage formula is the one in #・theorycrafting about shenhe right? @tardy thunder

[viral lotus]

As far as we know, yes. Both shenhe and yunjin "insert" their own damage MVs into the attack of the active character, and calculate the crits, %damage, and reactions based on the driver's stats.

but i think this was just inferred from the skill text, and from the leaked videos that we have

could work differently once we get to test it on the live server

[winter steeple]

Any gameplay vid that show other characters attacking with the buff

Preferably with the dmg text

[viral lotus]

i think there was one with the new pyro herald

lemmi find it

[balmy remnant]

there’s the pyro invoker video

jinx

[viral lotus]

[balmy remnant]

you find it

i’m on mobile

[viral lotus]

https://streamable.com/cvxdax

yunjin uses burst on 0:35 then swaps

[balmy remnant]

bruh

[viral lotus]

you can then see both shenhe and yunjin normal attacking

[balmy remnant]

watching this again this is a pretty dookie demonstration of her buff

[viral lotus]

with only a single number coming from that attack

[viral lotus]

yes because it's not to demonstrate her ability, its to show the new enemy

[balmy remnant]

the only thing you can reference/reverse engineer are Yunjin and Shenhe’s N1 lol

[viral lotus]

but that's the only one i remember with numbers

all other showcases were with no damage lines

[balmy remnant]

because they both at least N1 with and without the buff

[winter steeple]

Ooh it does seem like it

Shenhe manages to get 1 hit in

1 hit only tho

[balmy remnant]

for N1C lol

[viral lotus]

yup, one hit then Charge

[winter steeple]

[viral lotus]

best rotation

[winter steeple]

20 on n1 no Yunjin and 41 with

[winter steeple]

Wait 14 no Yunjin

20 is with weapon stacks

And Zhong

Oh shit @viral lotus @balmy remnant

Is it possible that YunJin’s Q is just flat dmg based on her def

[viral lotus]

you mean, flat after all the damage calculations? there's the small possibility that it does, but it would drop her damage so low it would be laughable.

and it would be pretty weird

[winter steeple]

I calced out shenhe with lv 1 weapon and lv1

T1

It’s 14

Like the vid shows

[viral lotus]

how did you guess the abyss enemy's defences?

[winter steeple]

After assuming herald is lv1 also

[viral lotus]

oh ic

[winter steeple]

Just halved it

Calcing out Yunjin now

[viral lotus]

but you know, this won't give you the answer you are looking for @winter steeple

[winter steeple]

This doesn’t look too gd

[viral lotus]

the only way to tell the two situations apart

is by knowing how much %damage does the driver have

compared to yunjin

or by the crits

[winter steeple]

True

[viral lotus]

yunjin and shenhe have same crit ratios at lvl 1

[winter steeple]

It can ignore def of enemy and scale on crit/ dmg %

But I doubt it

[viral lotus]

and because base weapon lvl 1 of both of them don't give a damage% of any kind that will affect this

you wont be able to tell the difference between flat boost, and special integrated MV boost

[viral lotus]

but still be merged into the single damage number of the driver?

sounds sus

so if yunjin's "burst" boost crits, but driver didn't crit

will you see a higher damage even tho the text didn't do a large crit visualization?

unless mihoyo is stupid [which i cannot take for granted ], The crit formula will have to be shared if the numbers are merged

[winter steeple]

Maybe

[viral lotus]

as for the %damage and melt/vape reactions using this extra damage? that'll only be testable when we get to try it ourselves

or if a generous leaker will show it to us

[winter steeple]

Wait actually

It should be possible to check if it scales on crit on the assumption 1 crit both Crits if crit font

[viral lotus]

but if we assume it will behave in a logical way, then the formula at #・theorycrafting is the only way i can think of it working

[viral lotus]

but the odds of that happening in the video are too low

[winter steeple]

Yunjin got some crits

I think

[viral lotus]

we only got 2 attacks happening, and to see this effect, we'd need a 0.05x0.95x0.95x0.95 likelihood of an event to happen

[viral lotus]

on a normal attack?

well, even if she did crit, you won't be able to disprove the assumtion

[winter steeple]

Ya can check the 0:31

I think it’s crit font

[viral lotus]

you need to find 2 crits that did different damage even tho all other effects were the same

[viral lotus]

isn't that before the burst?

not helping

[winter steeple]

She does some after

Watch again

[viral lotus]

oh 33 crit

on n3

[winter steeple]

Also I’m not sure if 16 on n1 b4 burst is a crit

Is it?

Yunjin

[viral lotus]

i don't think so

she did 17 on a n1

doesn't look like a crit but ughh

[winter steeple]

Oh 17 mb

Ya the font feels off

[viral lotus]

ohh wait

that's actually good for us

the likelihood of both the burst and normal critting together is a 0.05^2, which is pretty unlikely

therfore, if 33 is a currect damage value of a yunjin n3 crit with her burst on

then its fairly likely that the burst behaves like we thought it does in #・theorycrafting

but hmmm.... im starting to doubt myself, is 33 even a crit?

no... it isn't

im gaslighting myself at this point

you know what, f*ck it, i don't want to theorycraft on such a painful showcase of a video

[winter steeple]

Ok so 17 cannot be a crit or non-crit

So it seems Yunjin is higher than level 1 or something else is happening

Ig I’m worrying over nothing hopefully

[viral lotus]

Yunjin will literally be useless if it gives a flat damage boost

ok maybe not entirely useless, but it would be a very sad increase in normal attack damage

i don't think mihoyo will release her like that, especially because if she works like that, then shenhe will work like that as well

shenhe actually gets hurt MUCH MORE if its just a flat damage boost

[timid portal]

[hearty thunder]

is it not flat mv?

[viral lotus]

like, if the damage of shenhe's quill is not affected by %damage cyro/burst/skill, and not affected by crit, then it will do some sad +2k damage boost 5/7 times and that's it

[viral lotus]

refer to #・theorycrafting to know what we are talking about

[hearty thunder]

yes ik

[viral lotus]

the question was if yunjin gives flat damage boost that's affected by nothing, or a flat MV boost that calculates crit/%damage/reactions into it

[viral lotus]

so which one did you think yunjin works by?

[hearty thunder]

with crit

gonna check the showcases

[viral lotus]

showcases don't show damage lines if i remember currectly

so no way of testing that

and the pyro herald video is a terrible showcase so it was hard to make a call

[hearty thunder]

ik

[viral lotus]

but i lean to flat MV affected by driver's stats

from inferring alone

[winter steeple]

Yeah I’m also leaning to flat mv based the number in the vid

Just gonna check if it can crit

I’m fairly certain also testing some numbers that it is affected by def of enemy now

I bet the Yunjin in the vid is like lv15 or some shit

[viral lotus]

gotta say, these two characters are probably the toughest characters to TC i've ever seen

naturally, when they add a new mechanic

TCing becomes incredibly hard

[sand sluice]

It's more like, if we have a reliable leaker who's also a hardcore TC chad

things will go far smoother

[viral lotus]

lol of course

but we gotta work with what we have

i'm just thankful they are willing to risk themselves with that NDA for the genshin community

[sand sluice]

Eh you never know. Mhy could've made some of them "sanctioned leakers", if that is the right term

[viral lotus]

that won't explain the leaker hunt decree then

leaks actively hurt mihoyo

people are more prepared to the updates, and can decide how to spend their primos better

[winter steeple]

Wait there is something strange in the vid that I missed

17 to 27 dmg Yunjin n1 with/out Q

Only 10

Wait WTF

@viral lotus when YunJin n1 do ya see 2 27s

[viral lotus]

timestamp?

[winter steeple]

Wats even going on

[winter steeple]

0:35

[viral lotus]

yea, 27 twice because that's the attack string

[winter steeple]

It skips to N3?

[viral lotus]

wait......

[winter steeple]

Or n1 and 2 hit at the same time

[viral lotus]

ill go watch the yunjin showcase

[winter steeple]

[viral lotus]

https://streamable.com/4fzjx5

0:39

...

[winter steeple]

It looks like it skips to N3

[viral lotus]

i think she's c6 yunjin in that video

increased attack speed

i see it did n1 n2 and n3

[winter steeple]

Wait I need a sequence of events

N1 Q n2 N3?

[viral lotus]

no

n1 Q n1 n2 n3

[winter steeple]

Wtf

[viral lotus]

n2 entered into n3 really quickly

look carefully and you'll see it

yea wtf its so quick

it gotta be c6

but even then this attack speed is absurd

it looks far faster than 12% speed o-o

This video gives me more questions than answers

[tame tree]

off-topic, but the whole gimmick of Yunjin having a Kabuki sound and a pose at the end of everything she does is fucking perfect

[winter steeple]

5 star but a four star

For sure

[tawny spoke]

wheres the "yooo" sound in itto Q?

[winter steeple]

I can see it now

Wtf is this

[tawny spoke]

[viral lotus]

bizzare isn't it?

maybe yunjin can really be her own driver at c6

[winter steeple]

Numbers are out of my expectations too

17-27 on n1

[compact girder]

The aspd is wrong

[winter steeple]

But 14-41 on n1 for shenhe

[compact girder]

At c6 yun Jin N4D is 1.8 seconds

[viral lotus]

we are talking about this: https://streamable.com/cvxdax

[compact girder]

Look at it

[compact girder]

Oh

N4D is 6 hits btw

[viral lotus]

@winter steeple ok her attacks link much faster than shown in the showcase

[compact girder]

And its around 1.8 seconds in this vid

So thats like

Almost 40 hits

In 12 seconds

[winter steeple]

Lemme just frame count that vid once I’m done with my meal

[compact girder]

Someone already did

[winter steeple]

Both? Or only Lumies one?

[compact girder]

The new one

By @/jrm.spirit#2671

[winter steeple]

71 frames per N3 huh

Wait

[winter steeple]

That means this is somewhat accurate

As to wat I expect

[compact girder]

Yun jin cpike abuser

1.7k MV from an r5 pike

[winter steeple]

Oh wait the 41 dmg has access to shenhes shred

Might be able to confirm it scales with crit and shred

It seems yunjin is actually level 1 also

[viral lotus]

it had both shenhe's Q and yunjin's Q?

[winter steeple]

Ya

0:40

Around the next 5 s

Oh wait it also has her E

[viral lotus]

oh the n1 she did before C?

[winter steeple]

Ya

[viral lotus]

and stacks of her signature weapon

[winter steeple]

It’s all coming together

[viral lotus]

but they'll probably be neglegable

[winter steeple]

[viral lotus]

[compact girder]

Whats coming together

[winter steeple]

The true scaling of YunJins Q

[viral lotus]

we are trying to prove once and for all if yunjin works like #・theorycrafting's shenhe formula

until we see her live, this will be the best proof we can extract

[unless more yunjin crumbs]

[winter steeple]

I can confirm pyro herald is lv 1

And talents and character levels are 1