Yunjin Thread

[faint hornet]

Yeah, that's the one that I want that I missed.

[clear pivot]

what are the thoughts on c6 yunjin in a hu tao duo geo comp with zl? is there some potential there?

[faint hornet]

Tao relies on charged attacks to proc vapes.

So, I think it's gonna be a DPS loss for her if she relies on normals and sacrifices vapes.

[clear pivot]

ah, i just read her c6. i thought it affected atk speed as a whole, not just normal attacks

[faint hornet]

And if she uses her charged too much, not gonna be utilizing Yun Jin's buff as well as other characters.

[clear pivot]

damn! that's a shame

[faint hornet]

It's not enough to offset how much better Albedo fits into that comp either way.

[clear pivot]

right, that's about as much as i thought haha. thank you

[viral lotus]

@clear pivot you should look over your characters and think which one of your dps characters tend to use normal attacks a lot when they are on field. If you got someone like that, there's a high probability yunjin could be a good pairing for them

[clear pivot]

oh i was asking for a friend, since he was skipping albedo. i was hoping she'd have some synergy with itto but i don't know if that's the case

[faint hornet]

I feel like that's not enough. I think it boils down to bow and polearm users that rely on normals.

[clear pivot]

didn't see it in the tc TLDR

[faint hornet]

Yun Jin and Itto do not function together.

[viral lotus]

claymore multitargets like noelle should in theory work very well

[clear pivot]

yea assumed about as much unfortunately

[faint hornet]

Itto's kit centers around charged attacks.

[viral lotus]

he also uses normal attacks, but ideally you want to use those as little as humanly possible

even his constellations do their best to allow you to use less normal attacks, and focus on charge attacks instead

[clear pivot]

yea, he kinda reminds me of HoS from honkai hahaha

i kinda feel yun jin looks a bit niche as of now. i'm hoping that's not the case

[faint hornet]

Imagine C6 Itto using normals.

[viral lotus]

i feel like she'd quickly find a team or two that needs her

[compact girder]

I dont think niche is bad

Niche means harder to powercreep

[viral lotus]

yea, the thing that's more important is how accessible is that niche

[compact girder]

Well

Ningguang exists

[clear pivot]

yea what yuvak said

[faint hornet]

It'll be interesting to see mono geo with Noelle/Albedo/Gorou/Yun Jin vs Itto/Albedo/Gorou/Zhongli.

Since those seem like they'll be the two most viable mono-Geo comps.

[clear pivot]

i feel as if recently they've been releasing more characters that fit specific roles, which isn't a bad thing. just something to take note of

[compact girder]

These are more than viable

[balmy remnant]

itto’s team, not even a question

[viral lotus]

if the niche she creates is super hard to setup, then she won't see a lot of play, but so far, i've seen many setups that sound very attainable, and yunjin as a character is not hard to build, per say. [basically only care about defense and ER, Cr if you want to use the Favonius spear]

[clear pivot]

it'll be interesting to see how far noelle can go as a whole

with all these geo buffs

[faint hornet]

Well, Noelle's issue with that comp is the rotations are gonna be tight.

[viral lotus]

multitarget situations for noelle being on par with itto

let me dream man

https://tenor.com/view/coping-harder-coping-harder-cope-harder-cope-more-gif-22767890

[rapid nimbus]

fischl phys with yunjin

[nova tangle]

pog

[timid portal]

12s

[sand sluice]

Holy smokes

Noelle eating good with that c2 change

[compact girder]

Ning gets 55% NA bonus with r5 pearl + c2 yun jin

Add shime and she gets 105% NA bonus

A good day for yun jin

[timid portal]

[modern blaze]

yay buffs

[sand sluice]

She's shaping up to be a really good 4*

Free even

[crystal flame]

I'd say she still will be highly conditional, most comps don't use NA at all or account for like <1% of the team damage but at least they are insisting on making her good at what she is supposed to do

[tawdry lava]

i was thinking about the energy issues the noelle comp could have xD

[lofty karma]

Yunjin c2 nerf

[compact girder]

No its better

Instant is better than ramp up

[lofty karma]

The ramp up only takes 3s tho

[compact girder]

Does anyone do 10 NAs in 3 seconds

Well besides noelle vs 10 hilichurls

Wait no

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin buffs

[lofty karma]

C2 is nerf
If slightly

Duration buff tho

[tardy thunder]

Is it? I’ve been calcing it as 10%

To account for ramp up

2s longer duration still makes it a buff anyway

[lofty karma]

Ye

Well... On most teams at least

Yoicope

[tardy thunder]

Should be a lot easier to get 30 stacks on more characters now

[sand sluice]

c2 is a buff, you guys are underestimating instant ramp

[viral lotus]

definitely a buff on c2 o-o. ramping up slowly sucks

[sand sluice]

I'll take a higher floor anyday

[timid portal]

[compact girder]

What

Noelle vs 50 hilichurls

[timid portal]

[compact girder]

Superwoman

[tardy thunder]

Might be easier to use stacks on 2 characters in one window now

[compact girder]

I actually wanna see that

[viral lotus]

0.3 cd for getting stacks

[compact girder]

Imagine golden beyblade

[crystal flame]

C2 is a clear buff for any characters expect maybe Yoi, multihit wouldn't get stacks

[tardy thunder]

That 2s longer duration too

[tiny tide]

It shouldn’t be too bad for yoi anyway cuz of the nicer uptime

[tardy thunder]

I think this gives Husk more advantages over Petra now too

Cuz husk will have 100% up time

Petra won’t

Still depends on team tho

[viral lotus]

how fast will yoi even reach max stack to cover the loss in damage for the time the ability was lower than 15% normal attack boost?

oh well, no need to even think about it when it was already changed

[compact girder]

Hmmm

I wanna try

Kokomi hyper

Koko/Xq/Vv/yun jin

[viral lotus]

with.... yunjin?

[compact girder]

Why not

Maybe rosaria or bennett instead

[viral lotus]

no crits to amplify the damage

[compact girder]

Rosaria c6 for bigger bubbles

Bennett bc bennett

[crystal flame]

Yoi really plays most of her damage on her later attack from her NA string, so you want to vape those and make those as big as possible with 12 sec duration YJ burst if you can put even 1 more 100k vape NA5 with highest stacks possible right at the last second of her infuse it's maximum profit

[tiny tide]

Rosa is nice for the freeze there

[compact girder]

Also c6

For big booble

[viral lotus]

the first NA5 would be under the 15% normal attack mark tho, no?

[tiny tide]

Xq might not be as needed if you already have VV

[compact girder]

Hmm

Perhaps FishL

[tardy thunder]

Hmm this might let us get more stacks on Ning right

[compact girder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

She was doing 5NNC before right

[compact girder]

I think 6NNC or 5NNC 1NC is possible now

Or 5NNC 1NN

[crystal flame]

Yes it needs to be calced to know exactly I dont even know Yoi rotation exactly that's why I'm not sure. ATK speed is big on her, but for other chars I'm pretty sure that change is a buff overall

[tardy thunder]

If we could do 5NNC before I’d think this should be possible now yeah

[compact girder]

I think 6NNC is possible

[tardy thunder]

That’s 24 stacks instead of 20

[compact girder]

Or if you have really good rng then 6NNC 1NN

[tardy thunder]

Pretty significant

[tardy thunder]

Think this one doable with the attack speed?

From c6?

[compact girder]

I think so yes

[tardy thunder]

That’s 28 stacks

Now imagine if AoE works

C1 stonks

How big is the AoE on her c1?

[viral lotus]

speeding up the janky ning animation is a win no matter how many stacks it gives

[tardy thunder]

[viral lotus]

I hoped to see more supports giving attack speed buffs

[tardy thunder]

I hope to see her c6 buffed to 24%

[viral lotus]

i wish they'd make it even better

[viral lotus]

IKR

[tardy thunder]

Ning not having hitlag is sleeper op for Yunjin

[viral lotus]

its only normal attack

just give it to us my god

[tardy thunder]

I’d start building my Ning for Yunjin, but

She’s c0

Is she worth at c0?

She’s literally the only 4 star I have that is still c0

[viral lotus]

i think she's better at c2, but should still be ok?

[tardy thunder]

She’s never on banners I want

Hmm her c2 shouldn’t matter in this team

Or maybe it does

Idk

I’m not super familiar with her

[compact girder]

If we are going by E 6N2C E Q E CA

[viral lotus]

it potentially increases the E uptime of ning

[compact girder]

We’re gonna lose the other E

After Q

[tardy thunder]

Oh that sounds delicious

[viral lotus]

which is useful

[tardy thunder]

What team are we thinking? Any changes?

[compact girder]

Wait im wrong

[tardy thunder]

Still the ones I calced before?

[compact girder]

we are going by E 6N2C Q E CA

So yeah c2 shouldnt matter that much here

But c6 will for the additional Ca

[tardy thunder]

So I can build her without feeling copium?

[compact girder]

Its gonna become E 6N2C Q E For a c0 rotation

[compact girder]

Id still get c2, but yeah its not completely bad

[viral lotus]

do you have a weapon for her?

[tardy thunder]

I’d get c2 if I could

[viral lotus]

that's more important tbh

[tardy thunder]

I don’t have c0 by choice

[tardy thunder]

R5 widsith

R1 LSPW

[compact girder]

U have pearl?

Widsith too rng

LP needs time for stacks

[tardy thunder]

Should I be a memer and calc Ning Yunjin with r5 widsith assuming the dmg bonus passive always

[tardy thunder]

I don’t

[timid portal]

what would bethe good ning yunjin team?

[viral lotus]

widsith, even at r5, is pain for ning

[compact girder]

Why not

[timid portal]

i have an unused fully built ning at c6

[viral lotus]

at least you can reset RNG on abyss

[tardy thunder]

I can get it r1 this bp

[viral lotus]

but ye

[timid portal]

[compact girder]

Ning/yun jin/gorou/bennett

[tardy thunder]

This bp is either r4 DM or r2 BS or r1 Pearl for me

[viral lotus]

don't commit before trying this team tho

i say get it next BP

if you like the team

[tardy thunder]

I wonder if there’s someone better we can use than bennet

Prob not huh

[compact girder]

Actually

/maybe/ fischl

Ning procs her c6 and a4 like crazy

[tardy thunder]

True

[compact girder]

Plus she can alleviate some energy constraints

[viral lotus]

LPSW is good enough

[tardy thunder]

Fischl probably better for team energy too

Right

[compact girder]

Id run either ToM or standard dps build for fischl

[tardy thunder]

It’s a good crit stick if nothing else

[viral lotus]

and a bit of elemental damage

can't hurt

[tardy thunder]

Guess bennet make sense if you need healer

[compact girder]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

How much stacks are assumed on LSpW over a whole Ning rotation?

To account for ramp up?

[compact girder]

12 seconds

Hmmm

[tardy thunder]

LSPW also have high Cr which is good for your c6 Gorou

[viral lotus]

2 stacks realistically i'd assume?

[crystal flame]

I didn't follow, who are you going to build with Yun Jin?

[viral lotus]

ning

[tardy thunder]

This was about Ning

Mines c0

[crystal flame]

I don't know about that... looking at people play ning the NA is really all about getting stacks for the CA, nearly insignificant damage

[compact girder]

Yun jin makes it nice by doubling the dmg

[tardy thunder]

Yun Jin

The MVs don’t matter remember

[viral lotus]

yunjin will fix these multipliers

[crystal flame]

But Ningguang also don't have many direct support and free infuse + geo buff from the curtains + CV could give a free 3 times damage on that NA, uh, Actually think it's okay then
BUT you need great gear for Ning

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin just cares about your damage bonus crit and res shred

[tardy thunder]

I have a good SR set but I dunno if the set is workable

[compact girder]

Her 500% MV CA though

[lofty karma]

And speed of dropping the NAs

[compact girder]

[compact girder]

Ning can machine gun

[tardy thunder]

Actually insane how high her MVs are

[compact girder]

Shes ST burst queen

The 2000% MV EQE

800% MV C6

[tardy thunder]

How is she not the 5 star instead of Keqing

[radiant wagon]

doesnt her burst adjust the camera behind her?

compared to other 4* (except barbara)

[honest hare]

She was supposed to be one initially but that got changed later

[viral lotus]

its ok, everyone knows barbara is 5 star

[compact girder]

I think mona and ning swapped rarities before they did the burst animations

[viral lotus]

slashing in the air apparently cooler than throwing rocks, kids these days amirite?

[tardy thunder]

4 star Mona would be so good

[radiant wagon]

imagine if barbara stayed a 5*

[tardy thunder]

Everyone having a c4 Mona

[compact girder]

Worse than kokomi

[honest hare]

Even Barbara got downgraded to 4 star

[compact girder]

[viral lotus]

frankly speaking, ning should've been 5 stars instead of qiqi

[compact girder]

hot take: Barbara would be much more popular if TTDS was part of her kit instead of a weapon.

Yeah

She would

Ok but what other weapon would she use though

Hakushin?

[viral lotus]

Hot take: Designers designed themselves into a corner with TTDS

[compact girder]

Or fav

[viral lotus]

And sacrificial

[tardy thunder]

Prototype

Or sacrificial for up time yeah

[viral lotus]

i rarely see any catalysts users use sacrificial

[compact girder]

SAC????

[tardy thunder]

Sucrose

[compact girder]

Sacrose

[viral lotus]

rarely

[compact girder]

[viral lotus]

[tardy thunder]

We would use it on Koko if double jelly was real

[compact girder]

Oh my god

Better than childe

[viral lotus]

double jelly my god

[compact girder]

Wait…

C6 Kokomi double Jelly trust

[viral lotus]

the hydro application goddess

[compact girder]

Wouldnt that mean kokomi can get infinite jellies…

Since her A1 will just keep resetting it….

[viral lotus]

[crystal flame]

TF Sacrificial Kokomi with armies of Jellyfishs

[compact girder]

Yeah all other characters would be jelly of her uptime

Xq powercreeped

Imagine if it was real though

[viral lotus]

But that sounds fun so mihoyo would never let that happen

[compact girder]

Like, 10 fucking jellyfish onfield

[viral lotus]

they didn't even let us have infinite water walking

booooo

[tardy thunder]

Think of the energy

[compact girder]

They should add an abyss mode where certain characters get some wack buff

Like elysian realm

[compact girder]

0 ER kokomi with full hp

[radiant wagon]

mona and ayaka exist why cant we have kokomi just walj on water

[viral lotus]

They could've added a system where standing on water very slowly drains stamina

So we won't go tooo wild on it

but at least power creep ayaka and mona's sprint ffs

[compact girder]

They're saving that for the A7 passive

[viral lotus]

wait, technically, using ayaka and food, you could comfortably dash endlessly on water

SO WTF DO YOU WANT MIHOYO

[raw nova]

or we could just keep tapping the forward button for infinite dash

[compact girder]

oooooh, neat changes for Yunjin this update.

[tardy thunder]

Can’t you already?

Cuz she creates an ice bridge with her dash

So you just recover stamina on it

Then continue

Is what I thought

[viral lotus]

yes, with normal attacking you can extend the floor enough to have time to recover

it's just a bit slow

with food you can do that for far longer distances

[also if you are unlucky you can create the ice tiles in a way that makes you dash off your ice]

[tardy thunder]

So here’s the strategy

Swap to Kaeya after ayaka

Use his E

Make that super long lasting bridge

Fully recover

Continue

Kaeya not powercrept in the end

[viral lotus]

Baal power crept him by blocking his path to inazuma

you had ONE job kaeya!

[compact girder]

Didn't someone figure out how to get to Inazuma at AR16 or something crazy like that?

[viral lotus]

yes, it requires disconnecting the game repeatedly, and having bad ping

[compact girder]

ah, so wifi.

[vale furnace]

Yunjin c2 buff

[viral lotus]

takes hours as well

[viral lotus]

12s Q

[compact girder]

Reminds me of that time someone pushed Mond's Katherine all the way to Liyue Harbor

That was a lot of Zhongli's E

[rapid nimbus]

Ah yes

The era of blacksmith bonking keqing and klee

[tardy thunder]

Her Q itself was buffed too

[compact girder]

That era came shortly after the age of respawning chests and daily chest routes.

[vale furnace]

I was hoping for an E buff just so I can do meme damage per screenshot builds

[rapid nimbus]

Now it's instant and doesn't take like 10 AAs to build up

[compact girder]

You can already do that

[tardy thunder]

And Q is now 12s duration instead of 10

[vale furnace]

But higher

[tardy thunder]

That’s huge

[compact girder]

A1 gorou c0 and t8 mona gave me 80K E

[tardy thunder]

That’s a 20% up time increase

Now let’s buff it to 15

[compact girder]

Im sure a4 c6 gorou + T9 mona can make her do like

120k

[rapid nimbus]

I can see my 2nd team already. Noelle, Yunjin, Geo MC, Ningg

[compact girder]

Add zhong

[rapid nimbus]

[compact girder]

150k

[rapid nimbus]

Noelle for sustain DPS, Yunjin for Noelle supp, Geo MC for battery, Ningguang for battery and burst

[vale furnace]

Having to level up my mona q

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

I wonder how many stacks you would get if you like AAd on Yunjin for 6s then swapped to say Pikeli and AAd for another 6s

Prob like 40 instead of 30?

I feel like that might be the play

[rapid nimbus]

I'd need Homa fi- oh wait pikr

[tardy thunder]

Playing it “dual carry”

[rapid nimbus]

Too bad my zhongli is on Itto's dugtrio team for that

[tardy thunder]

Doesn’t have to be him specifically

Was an example

[rapid nimbus]

Xiangling

[tardy thunder]

Physchl for example should work

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

Or that

[rapid nimbus]

My Fischl is C5

Its teasing me at this point

:Copium:

Fuck

:Copium:

.-.

[tardy thunder]

Pyro Yunjin and pyro Xianling in same team?

Prob not

[rapid nimbus]

Benny C6, Pyro Yunjin and Xiangling

[tardy thunder]

Physchl would prob be the best one for the “dual carry” style

Cuz she’s prob only one that could still get 30 stacks in that reduced time frame

[compact girder]

Wait

[rapid nimbus]

Just a shame I'm gonna be dry as fuck on primos when Yunjin comes around

Next time, Yunjin.

[compact girder]

This means Carry yun jin is also much better now

[rapid nimbus]

[compact girder]

[rapid nimbus]

Carrying the entire 2.4 u mean

On the note of Yunjin in lantern rite and all,

I hope it features more of other adeptis.

Kinda getting bored of cloud retainer, as likeable as she is

[rapid nimbus]

Oh fuck off

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Madame Ping best adeptus

[vale furnace]

Pyro yunjin

[compact girder]

I bet she's Yunjin's teacher too.

[crystal flame]

skipping Gorou?

[rapid nimbus]

Gorou is with first team, Itto, Albedo, Gorou, Zhongli

BOLD OF YOU TO ASSUME IM SKIPPING GEO UNLESS FORCED TO

[crystal flame]

Oh, I see

[rapid nimbus]

[radiant wagon]

geo gaming

[crystal flame]

I was highly confused

[rapid nimbus]

Lmfao

To be fair on paper it seems like a dank comp, at least to my monke brain

But mostly just so I could run two mono geo teams

Cause I'm proud of geo and I'm willing to use em

I will suffer against lector, heralds and victors though.

[crystal flame]

what's ningguang artifacts options right now?

2NO/2 18ATK%?

[compact girder]

All cope. No proper normal geo dps set

[rapid nimbus]

Depends really

[crystal flame]

Yeah I don't know how mono geo fairs against abyss heralds

I know Noelle+Albedo can't generate ANY energy on them

[rapid nimbus]

for ningguang, you have two primary choice of roles

burst dps or primary dps

for primary, 2 AP/ 2 ATK 18% is the way to go

for burst, 2 NO / 2 AP, but 2 NO / 2 ATK 18% works too

[vale furnace]

Geo damage does a bit of damage to the shields right to heralds?

[compact girder]

Geo damage will probably be fine-ish against the cryo and geo heralds, but right now it's awful.

[compact girder]

4SR in this team

[rapid nimbus]

They can brute force it, yes, but not as effective as they brute force other 'shields' like Abyss Mage's

[crystal flame]

yes, but albedo bloom don't get procced, so he generates no energy and I got stuck with my Noelle for example

[modern blaze]

against abyss herald you can't really do mono geo
the good thing is that you can run triple geo and let the flex unit do the shield breaking

[vale furnace]

Ok yea like of you see heralds idk why you bring geo on thar side anyway

[rapid nimbus]

Primary example being that you can choose to just brute force an abyss mage's barrier without the right element pretty easily

But you can't do the same against heralds victors or lectors

As they are, what I'd call, strong elemental barriers I guess? Think of Fatui barriers

They melt easily against even weak and unbuilt counter elements

[rapid nimbus]

yeah i wont, it'd be particularly painful on that floor if i were to do so

Literally the only time where i wont bring mono geo

[modern blaze]

yep, you have to bring chongyun against hydro or TF benny against electro
i guess against the new pyro one XQ, mona or maybe even barbara works
but no mono geo sadly

[rapid nimbus]

Lol same I was just malding at the time because I'm like, FUCK im gonna have to reset this floor aint I

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder 12s duration

[rapid nimbus]

Chongyun + Zhongli makes Heralds want to off themselves

the speed of the cryo application is just

[modern blaze]

yep

[rapid nimbus]

[modern blaze]

no ICD in CAs is so broken

[rapid nimbus]

Lector is not a problem too cause, well, Benny exists

[modern blaze]

if you have c6 benny i guess you can do the same CA cheese with ZL

[compact girder]

This is what saved me way back during the dual Herald floor 11.

[rapid nimbus]

For victors specifically, I mean we got a healthy supply of hydro catalysts

so that'll do I'd say

[compact girder]

Cryo catalyst when mihoyo. We are going to end up getting a cryo crossbow before a cryo catalyst at this pace.

[tardy thunder]

Huge

It’s a 20% duration increase

[compact girder]

The even killed our only cryo catalyst, so we're worse off now than at release

[rapid nimbus]

You mean Signora?

[tardy thunder]

Wen catalyst male

Scaramouche

Wen

[modern blaze]

i wonder if a yoi/fischl comp can unload all 60 stacks in those 12s

[rapid nimbus]

to be fair, in an alternate world where she would be playable, signora main power is her flames anyway so she wouldnt be cryo catalyst (thats her delusion)

but yeah cryo catalyst + hydro applicator

freeze time BAYBEE

[tardy thunder]

She would use her delusion if we could play as her I assume

No way we would get crimson witch form playable

[compact girder]

Shit

Wait

[compact girder]

I mean ||yes || because ||yes ||

[crystal flame]

No way they are doing like 30 NA each in 5sec

[tardy thunder]

Fischl can do it really fast

[crystal flame]

The stack limits is only here for the huge swing in AoE

[tardy thunder]

Physchl and phys Aloy is the way trust

[rapid nimbus]

nah mihoyo makes it so that if she is in a party without hydro, she will suffer 1% passive HP reduction permanently until death

[compact girder]

This causes me great emotional distress

[tardy thunder]

Physchl PhysAloy Yunjin Zhongli team

[rapid nimbus]

yall forgetting something

[tardy thunder]

N1RR spam on both

[rapid nimbus]

razor + yunjin when

this is the thing that will bring our goody boy back

TRUST

[modern blaze]

i want to try that!

[tardy thunder]

How good is his AoE?

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

On his NAs

[rapid nimbus]

pretty shit actually

[modern blaze]

pretty bad but he attacks fast

and he can build a rainbow comp easily

[rapid nimbus]

His Q got a stand

What the fuck else u askin for?

but yeah he is technically a possible usage case too

[tardy thunder]

Imagine his stand was NA damage

[compact girder]

With C6 Yunjin he hits the atk speed cap

[modern blaze]

razor cryo c2 jean c6 yunjin

[compact girder]

Goddamn hitlag

[modern blaze]

all the attack speed buffs

[rapid nimbus]

too much copium

wait

oh nvm

[compact girder]

Until Noir told me otherwise I thought his Q dealt NA damage and I was so hyped about it.

[tardy thunder]

Pines

[compact girder]

Pines eula as support

[vale furnace]

Does razor's q count as NA?

[compact girder]

[tardy thunder]

Or Xinyan

[compact girder]

I'm pretty much sure speed it's capped at 50% bonus

[tardy thunder]

Razor xinyanPines Yunjin c6 Jean c2

[rapid nimbus]

I dont think razor Q counts as NA

but its been so long

so i cant say

[tardy thunder]

It doesn’t

It’s buffed by noblesse and EOSF

[rapid nimbus]

oof

[tardy thunder]

So sadly no 2 hits per NA

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

Just 1

[rapid nimbus]

so back to Physchl I guess

[tardy thunder]

What if

NA Xinyan instead of CA

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

[rapid nimbus]

I seriously doubt it even

my xinyan c6

still waiting for her destiny

[tardy thunder]

Xinyan Xinqiu bennet c6 Yunjin

Vape NA Xinyan

I really want rock opera to be a thing okay

[rapid nimbus]

hmmm

Xinyan Xinqiu Chongyun Yunjin

full liyue gang

[vale furnace]

[tardy thunder]

With N3D she could vape her N3 right

[compact girder]

R5 Lithic Xinyan

[tardy thunder]

Why there is chongyun

Bennet is honorary member of every region

[rapid nimbus]

tbh im just running out of brain juice so i cant even think

damage wise, i do believe physical is essentially in the same situation as geo

self contained 'element'

[tardy thunder]

Xinyan has built in 12% attack speed

[rapid nimbus]

as it cant exactly be amplified in any way shape or form unless phys shred

[vale furnace]

When are we getting inazuma national with all 4 inazuma characters

[tardy thunder]

Might have hitlag extension with Yunjin

Wait

Pyro razor

Pyro supervape razor

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

Razor bennet c6 Xinqiu Yunjin

[rapid nimbus]

who the fuck he gonna get pyro fro

oh

[tardy thunder]

Pyro build razor

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

Doing supervapes

[vale furnace]

Self overload razor

[rapid nimbus]

ah yes wolfy boi getting knocked back

[tardy thunder]

Oh yeah he also gets all those self overloads

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

It doesn’t knock him back

It knocks the enemies back

[rapid nimbus]

damn

could've been an emergency way to 'dodge'

[tardy thunder]

Wait what happens when you have razor bennet and Jean at same time?

[viral lotus]

he learnt a lot from bennet

[tardy thunder]

Cuz Jean swirls electro with razor self aura and pyro with bennet self aura

So what happens if all 3 lol

[rapid nimbus]

I call it the Shining Sun Doggo

[compact girder]

We need a 5* geo mc Q to keep shit inside Bennett's ult no matter what.

[vale furnace]

I'm not sure. I only know what happens with Bennett and Jean

[rapid nimbus]

Kamikaze comp

[compact girder]

Then... time to play overload pinball with the enemies

[rapid nimbus]

its just continuous explosion

LOL

imagine if it actually happens

[modern blaze]

razor already self-explodes just with benny no need for jean for that

[rapid nimbus]

we're essentially kazuha without the megumin

[viral lotus]

swirl can only carry one aura from a single target to other targets, right? So won't it just swirl pyro?

[rapid nimbus]

[tardy thunder]

Idk which aura you’d have at what intervals

[rapid nimbus]

cant get hit by enemies if u hit urself

[tardy thunder]

Wait razor c2 Jean would be good

Since Jean can actually be a sub dps there

Cuz of electro sunfire

She will swirl a lot

[rapid nimbus]

u mean c2 jean or c2 razro

[tardy thunder]

Razor Jean Yunjin Cinqiu

[tardy thunder]

Jean

[rapid nimbus]

asking a lot for that comp tbf

i only have her c0

[tardy thunder]

Razor also have defense shred which may help here

[rapid nimbus]

[modern blaze]

does electro sunfire even work?

[tardy thunder]

I’d use this even at c0 Jean

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[modern blaze]

i'm not sure if razor's electro self-app is fast enough for that

[tardy thunder]

If you have razor and Jean ults both up

She electro sunfire

I’ve done it before

[modern blaze]

[tardy thunder]

You can try it

I’m wondering if she could be the EC trigger in that team consistently instead of razor

Cuz if she can

[rapid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[tardy thunder]

This might be quite something

[modern blaze]

i never did
because i got jean very late, like at AR57

[tardy thunder]

You and me both

I have c4 Mona c2 Keqing c0 Qiqi c0 Jean

No Diluc at all

[rapid nimbus]

meanwhile me who got bennett at like AR55

[tardy thunder]

I wish that c4 Mona was Jean lol

[rapid nimbus]

c0

[tardy thunder]

But uhm yeah can someone test this

In a 3 man setup of razor Xinqiu Jean

Is Jean getting ECs

Cuz if so pure em jean here would be deadly

Razor could even use pines here and Jean Freedom Sworn

Perfect weapon banner for the team if it’s gonna be good

[rapid nimbus]

Jean's ER needs a bit of consideration though tbf, i can see she might struggle abit to get it up in time

[tardy thunder]

She does refund energy to herself

And Xinqiu can be on favonious

[rapid nimbus]

[viral lotus]

15, still not a lot

[tardy thunder]

Let me pull up the calculator

I’m not sure if this accounts for Razors passives and shit or not

[rapid nimbus]

oh dear

those ER reqs across the board

[modern blaze]

[rapid nimbus]

razor can technically self sustain himself and get his Q off cooldown if done right

[tardy thunder]

They look low

[rapid nimbus]

i think? idk

[tardy thunder]

Razor has 30% ER from his passive

And 60% from his E

While at 3 stacks

That’s 190 free ER

Then his hold E refunds 15

[rapid nimbus]

that and held E generates 15 if 3 sigil is available

yEpz

[tardy thunder]

That’s basically a 0 ER Razor

[rapid nimbus]

yeah im too tired for this shit, cant think properly

[tardy thunder]

196 Er on a favonious Xinqiu is nothing

175 on Jean is manageable

Would just need an Er sands or weapon

Freedom and an ER sands

Or ER weapon and EM sands

[compact girder]

Dual-Wield Jean

awww edit

[tardy thunder]

Oh wait she can also just use anemona huh

[compact girder]

Freedom-Sworn with sands it's probably better tbh.

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder 12/15 is a nice buff but it's also awkward because

3 seconds downtime

[compact girder]

Is it even downtime? You gotta rotate anyway

[modern blaze]

use those 3s to set up other supports

[wheat valley]

I'm saying 3 seconds is too short

[tardy thunder]

Oh think you have to manually enter razors hold E refund

No idea if I did this right

[tardy thunder]

Wait doesn’t razor want a shield?

[modern blaze]

XQ should be good enough

[tardy thunder]

Pog

[modern blaze]

what i'm worried though is no superconduct or ZL omnishred

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that too

What if we do razor Xinyan Rosaria Yunjin?

Shield build Xinyan

[compact girder]

[modern blaze]

i dunno
i would do razor cryo anemo yunjin
and build 4p TS razor with SS to boost all his damage

[tardy thunder]

Not sure what the reaction counts there would be like tho

[modern blaze]

try to get both SC and electro VV

[tardy thunder]

VV doesn’t buff Yunjin dmg

Was tryna go full phys to maximize it

[modern blaze]

or you could do razor XQ ZL yunjin, and use omnishred as budget VV + SC but with geo and XQ comfyness

you would still have SC from the cryo

[tardy thunder]

Why not just replace Xinqiu there with Rosaria?

60% more shred

Xinyan should work as a budget ZL

[modern blaze]

but xinyan doesn't shred electro

[tardy thunder]

But she does shred physical and buff physical

I did say budget

[modern blaze]

well true

[compact girder]

Budget lvl: Homeless

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea what the reaction counts would be like tho

What about a razor Lisa team

30% defense shred

That’s prob just strictly worse than Rosaria huh

Unless you have a c4 Lisa

[compact girder]

shred gets better as you get more of it

[tardy thunder]

60% res shred>30% defense shred tho pretty sure

30% or 35% damage increase from 60% shred

[modern blaze]

if you really want to max razor's phys i think something like razor rosa xinyan would be best
4th unit could even be ZL so you can build burst xinyan instead of shield

[tardy thunder]

So razor Xinyan Rosaria Yunjin is back on the table?

[modern blaze]

yep, for max phys

[tardy thunder]

Reaction counts tho

[modern blaze]

it would be nice if there was a cryo catalyst to hold TTDS

and set up SC at the same time

[tardy thunder]

Would be awkward trying to time TTDS and Yunjin anyway

[compact girder]

oooooh.... so that's why she died....

[tardy thunder]

Cuz both want swap straight to razor

[modern blaze]

signora a victim of TTDS

[tardy thunder]

Honestly all of this has me asking “why not just use Physchl”

[wheat valley]

I don't think reactions are really that big for the team aside from Rosaria Q with Xinyan E.

[tardy thunder]

I can’t calc it without knowing

[wheat valley]

Fischl Gorou Yunjin Albedo/Rosaria

[tardy thunder]

The one I calced was fischl Rosaria Yunjin and…uh…I forgot who was 4th

[compact girder]

Bennett is implicitly in any team ever

[tardy thunder]

Yeah it was him

[compact girder]

see?

[tardy thunder]

Fischl Rosaria Yunjin bennet

[compact girder]

[wheat valley]

Bennett is kind of redundant for Yunjin teams imo

But if it works

It works

[tardy thunder]

He’s buffing Oz and Rosaria on top of fischl NAs tho

The lack of shield does concern me tho a bit

I still need to do full team dps calc for the pyro Yunjin team

It might be promising

[wheat valley]

Hmm.

I have an idea.

[tardy thunder]

[wheat valley]

But it might be more relevant for Gorou

[tardy thunder]

I’m listening

[wheat valley]

Nah. Forget about it.

I'll send it in tc

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

What about Childe? Don't his riptides proc it?

or is it just the C4 ones that count at NA damage?

[tardy thunder]

Some do I don’t know which ones tho

But he’s on the list of characters to calc

I forget what the team is supposed to be tho

Childe Kazuha Yunjin bennet?

But that’s just worse international

Probably

Unless Yunjin surprise us and actually somehow add more damage to the team than Xianling

Oh wait we could use a cryo for freeze instead of bennet

And use BS childe

Childe Kazuha Rosaria Yunjin?

[tiny tide]

Support ganyu for Childe freeze kek

[tardy thunder]

Guess I’ll try to figure out how to calc that

I already forgot how many N6 he do

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder do we need to see combos again and see what fits in 12 seconds now?

[tardy thunder]

Yea

Pretty much everything

[balmy remnant]

bruh

[timid portal]

[balmy remnant]

Pikeli, Yunjin, Physchl, Yoi, xiangling, and xiao? are fine already right? since they can hit 30 in 10?

[tardy thunder]

Xiao can hit 30 in 10 since when?

I didn’t know that

[radiant wagon]

quadratic gaming

[pallid prawn]

How much shot yoi can shoot in her 10s E window?

[radiant wagon]

add venti for discount morgana

[pallid prawn]

30 hit in 10s sound kinda hard to achieve with singe target

[balmy remnant]

oh i didn’t know

do we know who can hit 30 and who’s close?

[compact girder]

Noelle vs 30 hilichurls

Yoimiya

Xiangling

Xiao

Zhongli

Yun jin herself if the new frames are correct

Ningguang

Thats all i know

[balmy remnant]

xiao can hit 30? that was just a half guess on my part

[compact girder]

Im pretty sure noir said he could

[pallid prawn]

Noelle only need 3 enemies and hit 10 times 30 is kinda

[compact girder]

I think fischl can hit 30 too

[compact girder]

Ez, just 1 NA and all stacks gone

op

[pallid prawn]

For yoimiya is 15 n1 possible?

I dont have her so really dont know

Since her n1 is 2 hit

[river yew]

idk about 15 n1 (Though i am almost positive doing that is going to be dps loss overall even if it maximises yunjin damage) but in general her rotation is 21-24 hits depending on cancels and ping, could probably get to like 28 with c6 or if you do several shots after her E ends

[tardy thunder]

Ning can hit 30?

I thought for 30 we were only looking at Yunjin Xianling Zhongli fischl Aloy Yoi

Oh wait can Kazuha get 30 now?

[compact girder]

6N2C 1NN with new yun jin’s buffs +c6

Thats 28 nvm

[tardy thunder]

Ya

[compact girder]

But if aoe she can hit 30 easy

[tardy thunder]

True

Cuz if c1

[river yew]

I also really doubt 15n1 is possible considering that there's also n2rr combo that has a limit of 8, which would be 24 hits

[tardy thunder]

How big is the splash radius on her c1?

[compact girder]

Hmmm

Iirc uhh

A little smaller than bubble aoe

[tardy thunder]

So it’s huge?

[compact girder]

It's tiny

Its quite small yeah

[pallid prawn]

Well if it possible then n1 spam become more valuable because x2 hit with yunjin buff

[tardy thunder]

She only needs to get 2 out of 28 hits to get AoE right

[compact girder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

I think it’s reasonable to assume 30 stacks then

I’ll prob do 28 so no one cry tho

[wheat valley]

Do N3C

Cowards

[compact girder]

Actually

I forgot to consider this

[tardy thunder]

Is there any benefit to n3c?

[river yew]

i mean sure but i still do think that it's going to be a dps loss most likely

[balmy remnant]

19N1RR is possible, you just need to be BowTae

[compact girder]

More yun jin procs

[tardy thunder]

Hmm

[wheat valley]

Two more Yunjin procs in exchange for 25 frames

[river yew]

holy fuck

[tardy thunder]

Sounds like a win to me

[compact girder]

How many N3Cs can ning do in a 12sec window

[wheat valley]

Well, I wouldn't know.

I don't do frame counts

[compact girder]

Ning framecounts are ass anyways

She has like 4 different ones

[wheat valley]

They're never consistent

Because

RNG

[compact girder]

The damn hand rng

[pallid prawn]

So is 15 n1 yoi with yunjin a dps decrease compare to other rotation?

[compact girder]

If we assume 5 N3Cs then

Thats 30 procs

[wheat valley]

Would you look at that

[tardy thunder]

@balmy remnant sounds like a job for you

[compact girder]

But we dont know how it will compare to 6 N2Cs

Hmmmm

[wheat valley]

I mean, normals aren't always a DPS loss.

Up to N3 you're still getting one star Jade.

[tardy thunder]

I can calc that

[compact girder]

Yeah

Around a 500% mv with 3 jades iirc

[tardy thunder]

Both n2 and n3 are 3 jades right

[compact girder]

No

N2 is 2 jades

N3 is 3 jades

[tardy thunder]

Oh then I calced wrong before

[wheat valley]

The cap is 3 jades.

Or 7

With C6

[tardy thunder]

I thought n2 was 3 jades

Because 2 hits per NA

[wheat valley]

Wat

Noir have you

Ever played Ningguang

[tardy thunder]

I thought it was per NA hit

[tardy thunder]

No

[wheat valley]

Will you play her for Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

If it’s good

Shouldn’t N3C be strictly better then?

More CA damage and more Yunjin stacks?

[wheat valley]

Maybe??

[compact girder]

You have to take the speed into account too

With perfect walk cancels ning dishes out N2Cs like a machine gun

N3 im not sure

[tardy thunder]

Need frame count for how many she do in 12s

[compact girder]

Ur gonna be in hell

She has 4 different framecounts

[tardy thunder]

Ok then I won’t calc her

[compact girder]

Left hand NA Right hand Ca, right hand NA left hand CA
Left hand NA left hand Ca, Right hand NA right hand CA

[tardy thunder]

Bruh just use a controller

What is this left hand right hand

[compact girder]

No thats ingame

She uses different hands

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

To attack

[wheat valley]

Well

It's actually

Left hand, right hand, twirl around

[tardy thunder]

Well I can’t do anything without knowing how many N3C she do

[compact girder]

Not the damn twirl

Wait

I forgot

Was the twirl good or bad

[wheat valley]

The worst offender is right hand. The twirl is fine.

[compact girder]

Im gonna log in and go bully a ruin guard

[wheat valley]

Left hand is the fastest

[compact girder]

Ill assume 12 seconds k

[wheat valley]

Just use E duration

I mean CD

[compact girder]

Isnt her E duration 30 seconds

Oh

[tardy thunder]

What if 4 husk is her BiS for this build

24% geo damage on everything

Wait no

Just use fischl

So you can use TS

200iq

Now we have valid reason to go fischl>bennet

[full zinc]

could dps yumjin work
that is all i need to know

[tardy thunder]

It’s possible

[compact girder]

I got 4 N3Cs in 12 seconds

[languid socket]

I'm rolling out my Homa for the meme of it anyway

[wheat valley]

Bolide

[languid socket]

But I'm looking forward to seeing more

[full zinc]

whas the best polearm for yunjin

[radiant wagon]

probably fav if you wanna fish for crit rate subs, other er weapons, deathmatch for def?

[modern blaze]

prototype starglitter r1 can be used as an ER% stat stick

the f2p option

[wheat valley]

Starglitter has NA Bonus

But like

White Tassel exists

[modern blaze]

yea if you want on field dps yunjin white tassel is probably one of the best options

[tardy thunder]

Glitter probably works fine if you need ER even for on field

[wheat valley]

Ok but

You're wasting a billet

[tardy thunder]

But if you need Er for on field is it even worth using on field

[wheat valley]

Over a Crit rate 3 star polearm

[tardy thunder]

Why’s her particle gen have to be so low

[wheat valley]

It's like ~42CV.

[tardy thunder]

Why can’t it be polearm HoD

[wheat valley]

Well

HoD doesn't give Dmg Bonus

So

[tardy thunder]

42 cv plus 48 sent bonus

Vs 102 cv

But tassel don’t have hp requirement

[wheat valley]

102 conditional CV

[tardy thunder]

[wheat valley]

[tardy thunder]

I just said that

[wheat valley]

On field against Wolves

[tardy thunder]

I think the pyro Yunjin Rosaria team will be legit if Er needs are manageable

Kek you can use skyward spine if you need ER

And get attack speed

[wheat valley]

Wasted 674 base atk

[tardy thunder]

Not really

Her autos themselves do damage

And you get 36.8 Er, 8 CR, and 12% attack speed

[hardy otter]

Yunjin E can only block one instance dmg right?

[balmy remnant]

no

[tardy thunder]

No

It can block damage up to the amount of the shield strength

Same as beidou

If the shield breaks you will parry

[mental ingot]

Or you die.

[faint hornet]

If you die, you will parry.