Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

in what team?

[brazen mirage]

I was thinking Diluc - Xingqiu - Kazu

[tardy thunder]

not sure

@tame tree i corrected some minor errors in my math

the Husk version is beating the Petra version now

[tame tree]

ngl, i'm really impressed with YJ scaling

I just hope they dont nerf her

[tardy thunder]

have they ever nerfed a 4 star in beta?

[tame tree]

Yanfei

[tardy thunder]

kazuha and albedo math is included now

[tardy thunder]

oh true lol

[timid sand]

random question but who would be a better phys dps? yun jin or rosaria

[tardy thunder]

all i gotta do now is calc Yunjin damage

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea

[timid sand]

mmm icic, but if i were to run a phys yun jin would i go for atk/phys/crit? or still triple def

[tardy thunder]

kekwait in my math i forgot yunjin ascends with ER

so i had her having more ER subs than needed

oh well i dont feel like calcing her defense Q buff all over again ill just throw the rest into cdmg

[tawdry lava]

really? what did they do to her?

[tame tree]

C4 scaling was nerfed

[tardy thunder]

from 75% to 45%

75% was legit insane tho

@tame tree Total team Damage (husk on yunjin) = 1,024,877.63 - 56,937 DPS
Yunjin: 22,751 (2.2%)
Kazuha: 141,174 (13.7%)
Albedo: 163,869 (15.9%)
Yoimiya: 697,083 (68%)

56.9k dps under kqm standards is pog right

[tame tree]

sheesh

[tardy thunder]

Yoi is pure ST but kazuha has aoe and albedo with kazuha grouping should be getting some aoe too

i did PP Klee team dps calcs for comparison yesterday

but i need to adjust them to KQM standards

[lofty karma]

Have you calced pulse?

Also standard were probably going to need to compare to is geo bros tao or vv tao

Though one very notable difference between this and that
This team doesn't use any units from basically any of the meta comps

Aside from kazuha who can be replaced

So that's a really big draw

[tardy thunder]

I haven’t

[tardy thunder]

What is the dps of that team at kqm standards?

I can calc Tpulse later

Can basically use 100% uptime on tpulse 3 stacks here right

[lofty karma]

Idk
Lemme see if jsterns guide has it

[tardy thunder]

Since she should always be below 100% energy due to SR

40% Na dmg plus 66.2% cdmg might be a notable increase over r5 rust

[lofty karma]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

I’ll calc it I give up on what I’m tryna figure out with Xianling

Was tryna see with Xianling on field with c6 bennet and QE up how many vapes she’d get and how many in the 10s window

[lofty karma]

And less dmg% should put Petra back ahead

[tardy thunder]

For the XL Yunjin team

[lofty karma]

Yeah, for yunjin vape
Just wait for release

[tardy thunder]

I’m considering a low ER Xianling that only Qs every other rotation

[lofty karma]

Because dodging will change vapes up a ton

[tardy thunder]

Cuz ER calcs showed her needing 192 ER here

[lofty karma]

So it's best to just record 20+ 12-1-1 runs and see which ones vape in a in practice rotation

[tardy thunder]

Fair

[lofty karma]

Or I guess 12-1-2 for that abyss as you just have vishap to face

[tardy thunder]

Too bad it’s impossible to vape all 30 stacks

[lofty karma]

Until we get an infusion they forget to add icd to

Kekw

[tardy thunder]

the dmg the XL version is doing in my calcs is still really good even with er needs tho

tho i havent adjusted it to kqm standards

doing that rn

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma

adjusted to kqm standards

XL Yunjin

makes me want to level my XL autos

note that a shield may be needed in place of kazuha

aka zhongli

or maybe gorou

p sure ZL is BiS there if need shield tho

[abstract night]

whats up guys. that team looks nice

u think it might be worth adding another bennett e before xiangling qe, even if it extends the rotation by a second?

i see her er is looking a little copium

[tardy thunder]

Might very well be

[abstract night]

i can try something

[tardy thunder]

Would alter buff uptimes is what I’m worried about

Tho tbh If we do that here’s an idea

What if we use Petra on bennet instead of Yunjin

[abstract night]

so this is roughly what u have now? unfortunately theres no way to have 1 bennett e funneled into xl and one not, but the number here i get is close to yours

[tardy thunder]

And husk on Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Roughly yeah

212 Er needed on XL is what I had

I actually wonder if Petra on bennet so we can run husk on Yunjin would be a dps increase lol

[abstract night]

note this definitely isn't accurate, but just changing it to 21s and messing with it can get it closer to 200. i was expecting more like 195ish but idk. might not be worth it to lose another second of buffs

[tardy thunder]

Since Xianling attacks really fast she might be able to fit in all 30 Yunjin stacks even if we do the bennet funnel before QE like you suggested I unno

Would prob need c6 Yunjin to pull that off

@balmy remnant do you have Xianling N4 frames

[tardy thunder]

Yeah prob not

[abstract night]

wait does "yunjins" dmg even care about bennetts buff

[tardy thunder]

It does not

[abstract night]

does anything even care about his buff if we extend

[tardy thunder]

But Xianling needs it

It’s the only way her autos do pyro damage

[abstract night]

oh lol, didnt see this is a c6 infusion thing

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

It’s main dps on field Xianling with c6 bennet infusion

Doing 4N4

Which is 32 hits

[abstract night]

cause i was thinking

it looked like as long as her eq snapshot, nothing else really cared about being buffed if her autos weren't significant dmg

so you could bennett buff kazuhas q

[tardy thunder]

Hmm

[abstract night]

and then you use that other bennett e just before xiangling to lower er

so its still 2 bennett e

[tardy thunder]

Would all that be worth the lower AA damage tho?

[abstract night]

i didn't see what her autos did

[tardy thunder]

Since that would kill the buff uptime on her AAs

[abstract night]

just found out now

120k hmm

thats a lot

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

[abstract night]

can i check is this definitely looking like the best team so far

definitely using loosely of course

[tardy thunder]

You mean for Xianling Yunjin specifically?

[abstract night]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

I’m open to suggestions for changes

I can’t think of any way you could improve the lineup tho

[balmy remnant]

no

[tardy thunder]

And I’m not sure if we can even get away with using Kazuha

Since a shield might be needed

To N4 uninterrupted

[tardy thunder]

Can we get that

[balmy remnant]

im working on frankensteining yoimiya and RR cancels

[abstract night]

oh wait

[tardy thunder]

That’s more important

[balmy remnant]

also smh, all your RRs were consistent and frame perfect nearly

[abstract night]

did you calc yoimiya instead of xiangling?

[balmy remnant]

console

[tardy thunder]

Wait really?

[tardy thunder]

I have math for both of them

[abstract night]

oh you did i see a txt

[tardy thunder]

I’ve done a lot of Yunjin math

[balmy remnant]

the time between you pressing L2 and letting go were consistently 5 frames

[abstract night]

oh nice you used the albedo team then

[tardy thunder]

In the one where I’m canceling autos?

[balmy remnant]

yee

just the RRs tho lmao

when you cancelled the autos was all over the place and i didn't count that

[tardy thunder]

Yeah Yunjin Kazuha yoi albedo

[tardy thunder]

Would it have been cleaner if I had an enemy to hit

[balmy remnant]

nah, bows and catalysts aren't affected by hitlag

[tardy thunder]

Hmm if albedo is enough shielding for the Yoi Yunjin team I wonder if he is for the Xianling version too

Tho prob just use ZL anyway idk

Albedo doesn’t have a Kazuha to buff in this one

[abstract night]

hmm its tough to try understand yunjin atm tbh

like aside from yoimiya since atk speed + normals focused, why exactly are we doing other mono pyro teams im not sure what they're offering

im just thinking none of these other teams have much feedback synergy where yunjin is both elevating them and them elevating her

unless im forgetting something

[tardy thunder]

Xianling gets all 30 stacks

Is why I’m doing her

She allows you to use Xianling as an on field hypercarry if you have a c6 bennet

Think Pikeling on crack

[abstract night]

hmmm, have u looked into pike zhongli

[tardy thunder]

I might see what I can get with a PP Kazuha on field dps too he should get about 34 stacks

[tardy thunder]

Or freeze instead of pp

[tardy thunder]

Not yet

It’s on my list

I just haven’t got to it yet

But he should easily get all 30 stacks based on jrms frame counts

[abstract night]

yeah i think kazuha auto could work better than xl

[tardy thunder]

Kazuha bennet c6 Yunjin albedo

[abstract night]

since you could get some ec or ol kazuha thing going on instead idk

of xiangling

[tardy thunder]

[abstract night]

kazuha fischl yunjin + 1?

[tardy thunder]

Prob want an elemental infusion on his autos

Need good damage bonus and crits to multiply the Yunjin damage

One idea was Kazuha chongyun Xinqiu Yunjin

[abstract night]

fischl could be on field, it sounds cope initially but could get all stacks + built for dmg already

then hydro infuse kazuha q

[tardy thunder]

N1RR fischl gets all 30 stacks very easy with c1 because her c1 is considered NA damage

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

I calced physical fischl damage with that

She just has to get 15N1RRs

To use all 30

Or 7.5 N2RR

Or 5 N3RR

[abstract night]

if she stacks very easily then u could swap to kazuha for e often without wasting stacks?

[balmy remnant]

the frames are done

for yoi RR

[tardy thunder]

Problem is that you can’t have Oz out while c1ing

So you need to dump out all those stacks ASAP so you can then summon Oz

[tardy thunder]

[abstract night]

how much stacks with oz

without leaving field

[tardy thunder]

you mean if you dont use her c1?

you would have to 30 N1RR 15 N2RR or 10 N3RR

c1 literally doubles the speed she gets the stacks

@abstract night this is what i had for it so far

[abstract night]

yeah but if its overkill then it could be unnecessary than just doing oz. but i haven't looked at the number comparison

if u can build the stacks fine without c1

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea if my team nor rotation is optimal there

my idea with that team and rotation was: Dump out all stacks with fischl c1 ASAP then drop Oz to snapshot bennet buff asap

i think we can get a fat zhongli meatball in bennet buffuptime there tho

depending on how fast you can dump the stacks on fischl and swap out

huh wait why did i calc only 24 c1 procs

with the rotation i have it should be 32

Rotation 1: Fischl CA>ZL E>Bennet E Q>Yunjin E Q>Fischl N28 Q/E N22>ZL N1Q N1EN1
Rotation 2: Bennet N1En1 QN1>Yunjin N1En1 QN1>Fischl N28 E/Q N22>ZL n1Q n1En1

ugh discord makes ugly italics if i copy pasta with *'s

[abstract night]

wait yunjins cooldowns are 15s?

[tardy thunder]

her Q is 60 cost

and she ascends with ER

[abstract night]

i was just looking at honey

so

is it really necessary to get max yunjin stacks?

when u can just get a 15s kazuha ol rotation going, and try to get as much stacks from c6 fischl as possible

[tardy thunder]

if you can there is no reason you shouldnt

[tardy thunder]

that sounds like a completely different type of team

[abstract night]

i thought its the same

fischl kazuha bennett yunjin

[tardy thunder]

this one doesnt even have kazuha

[abstract night]

oh lol

[tardy thunder]

also i think for this physchl setup compound bow might be better than rust

since the attack substat doesnt do anything for the yunjin buff

lemme do some calcs with that instead maybe

and fix my c1 proc counts

and change it to kqm standards

hmm wait nah

rust is still more damage bonus than it

but compound gives attack speed

but idk how to account for that

that could be huge or minimal depending on how much time it saves you

or how many more attacks you get

@balmy remnant wait you did frames for fischl N2RR right?

[odd lotus]

Who is the driver for fischl c6? Yunjin?

[abstract night]

fischl. though its just a team idea nothing concrete

[odd lotus]

Ahh I forgot fischl can driver herself. Yunjin would only buff her physical NAs tho right?

[tardy thunder]

ya

i wonder if beidou would be enough interruption resistance tbh

and we could use her instead of zhong

[abstract night]

yeah. my ideas was that if fischl is potentially a really good driver for yunjin. then the rest of the team would be built around creating a solid synergy with electro anyway, so some sort of ol or ec kazuha would loop the synergy

though u could just do some sort of xingqiu + beidou thing idk

[odd lotus]

Ah so build fischl phys but make use of her c6 electro aura?

[abstract night]

yeah built for dmg then something around that

[balmy remnant]

no

[odd lotus]

Ahhh okay

[tardy thunder]

or do what im now thinking and use beidou instead of ZL or interruption resistance and make use of her electro battery

solves the problem of fischl being almost all of the team dps

ill finish fixing my current pyschl calcs then calc that

tbh shouldnt aim cancel fischl be an excellent beidou driver too

[lofty karma]

I like it
Bennett set doesn't matter anyways kekw

[tardy thunder]

i dont wanna have to figure out how that changes buff uptimes tho

@abstract night fixed my current Physchl math

if this is a 15s rotation like im imagining it this is really good

593k dpr

is 39k dps

tho it does have the problem of not having a sub dps with her to get higher team dps unless you get a zhong meatball in bennet buff and thats enough extra team damage

[tardy thunder]

but replacing zhongli with beidou if shes adequate poise should more than fix that

im excited now

HMM

Should i assume petra on fischl in the fischl beidou yunjin bennet idea?

idk if its reasonable to assume you can consistently and reliably get electro crystal cuz of bennet

ill roll with it for now unless someone says otherwise

[mighty scarab]

would depend on the damage loss or something like that no?

[tardy thunder]

wait guys hold up hold up hold up

[abstract night]

i dont think so

[tardy thunder]

i think keqing

can get 30 stacks

👀

let me keep testing i may be counting wrong

i feel like im getting 5N4D+1N3

im attacking air tho

lemme try it on my lawachurl dummy

thats 28 hits if accurate

[balmy remnant]

[tardy thunder]

against regisvine im getting 5 N4D

lemme see how many if i do CA instead of dash

think i only got 3 N4CD plus 1 N3 by including her ca

whats the MV/s on her N4d do we know?

dash cancelling her n4 is so smooth

[mental ingot]

CA doesn’t benefit from Yunjin Q, so should stick to N4D, no?

[tardy thunder]

yeah

wanted to see if N4C would be worth it

[lofty karma]

Probably
But will have to calc

[tardy thunder]

but dont thnk its worth

im getting so much less hits that way

[lofty karma]

Because keqings CA is like the only worthwhile part of her kit atm

[tardy thunder]

im looking at kqm library and the MVs of her n4d dont seem that much lower than n4c

[lofty karma]

Huh

[tardy thunder]

it says 181.9 MV for N4, 212.3 for N4C

N1C is higher than both ofc, but stamina

and knockback

and step back

[lofty karma]

Uh
30 mv/s is a big difference

[tardy thunder]

is it anything that yunjin cant more than make up for tho?

[lofty karma]

It's big enough that it's worth calcing

Esp if you have Bennett

[tardy thunder]

what about ayaka?

she hits 3 times on n4

[lofty karma]

Ayaka also self infuses

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

So no need for Chong/Bennett

And her 5* sword also works well with yunjin

[tardy thunder]

and black sword if you can avoid overcap CR with it

[lofty karma]

Ayaka xq yunjin kazuha/whatever VV?

[tardy thunder]

for 4 star option

ayaka xinqiu yunjin kazuha yup

[lofty karma]

Also rainbow

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

how much ER would she need here?

[lofty karma]

Idk
I don't own ayaya

[tardy thunder]

kqm library says her n4 is 98 frames. is that talking about the 4th hit itself or the entire combo?

[median jay]

what would yunjin run? 4husk?

[tardy thunder]

4 husk most likely

Or 4 petra

whichever works better

[lofty karma]

It's fairly close on most comps

So realistically
Run whatever is easier to farm

The fact that bolide and Petra are in same domain lets you get a fast and easy farm for the yoi team

[tardy thunder]

^

[mental ingot]

Old artifact domains.

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder Venti Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

[mental ingot]

Shotgun Venti.

Wait, I think all shots in aim mode are considered CAs.

[wheat valley]

Not shotgun

Venti shoots pretty fast

[ebon sinew]

[white plinth]

fully automatic shotgun venti

[lofty karma]

Yes

That is what his ult does

[tardy thunder]

Psychl is looking

really good

if i didnt making any mistakes that are inflating it

40k dps just from fischl alone if this is an actual 15s rotation

[versed owl]

wow

[tardy thunder]

Need to run Er checks for this

I’m scared there’s a hidden caveat that I’m not seeing

[white plinth]

i don't think rosa and bennett can battery themselves while off field with 1x E per 15s

[tardy thunder]

They would both get 2 per ult

Was also assuming favonious on Rosaria

[white plinth]

how long does fischl take on field?

[tardy thunder]

Not sure how many seconds it is

The minimum she needs to do is 7N1RR +1NE/Q

To hit 30 stacks

[white plinth]

you'd have to swap to bennett and rosa in the middle of yunjin's buff duration, or else 5s isn't enough to fit in 2xE for both of them

idk how long it takes to fire 15 arrows w/ fischl

[tardy thunder]

They pre funnel with EQ

So your next E on them will be the second E per ult

[white plinth]

then you need to wait for cd after the second E to do the first E of the next rota

[tardy thunder]

Wym

[white plinth]

EQ -> yunjin fischl -> E right?

[tardy thunder]

Yeah Bennet E Q > Rosaria E Q > Yunjin E Q > Fischl CA machine gun go brrrr

For first rotation

[white plinth]

EQ -> yunjin fischl -> E --6s-- EQ -> yunjin fischl -> E

need that 6s in there for rosa's cd

so it'll definitely be longer than 15s

[tardy thunder]

Which rotation is this?

[white plinth]

...the one you just told me

you're doing E at the end

[tardy thunder]

I told you the first rotation

Her E isn’t gonna be on cooldown in the first rotation

[white plinth]

if you mean EQ -> yunjin fischl -> EQ -> yunjin fischl

that's not 2 E per rota

[tardy thunder]

I said 2 E per Q

Not per rotation

[white plinth]

that's not sustainable past 2 rotas then

[tardy thunder]

It is a favonious Rosaria tho

I’ll see if I can run the ER calculator on it

I can never figure out how to use those Er calculators tho

[white plinth]

it's like the xiao rota where he prefunnels 2xE and needs 2xE energy at the end before the 2nd Q, leaving him with nothing for a 3rd Q

except xiao is much more likely to clear a chamber in 2 rotas than fischl

[tardy thunder]

i dont think theres any reason why she wouldnt be able to do a rotation past rotation 3

rosaria might need high ER or some of the rotations might need to be altered or slightly extended

[white plinth]

because your "2 E per Q" isn't repeatable in the same pattern

[tardy thunder]

but theres no reason it should just stuop functioning

[white plinth]

(EQ -> damage -> E)Q -> damage -> EQ -> damage

where the stuff in () is your energy for second Q

notice how you can only get one E for third Q and afterwards

it'll work, just won't be 15s anymore

[tardy thunder]

hang on im tryna run the ER cals rn

@white plinth

i dunno if i did this right first time using an er calculator

if this is correct this is easily achievable

lemme see what happens if favonious on yunjin instead

hmm wait this is discounting 10 Energy cost from geo traveler cuz of their ult

that doesnt work as a yunjin prototype

need a 60 cost ult that makes 3 particles

[lofty karma]

you just need 60 cost ult
you can adjust particle input by putting in fractional values for skill uses per burst

[tardy thunder]

what would those fractional values be for geo mc

[lofty karma]

geo MC makes 4 particles right?

then to get 3, just do .75 uses

though I think it's better to assume 2 since the rotation is so tight

you can't just parry on command

[tardy thunder]

oh wait nvm geo mc doesnt work

cuz they made him 50

cuz of the Q discount

[tardy thunder]

i think its 3 if you just hold at all

not only for full counter

[gilded pine]

who are the most fastest normal attacker btw

[tardy thunder]

i dont wanna run an er sands on yunjin

[lofty karma]

hold Es usually take a good deal of time

more than you can usually give in a 15s rotation

[lofty karma]

favlance/spine then?

[tardy thunder]

that is lance

[lofty karma]

or catch
but catch on yunjin is so wasted

[tardy thunder]

the er numbers i posted above

were lance

cant fit in 2 E in a 15s rotation huh

what would be a more reasonable rotation time

18?

[lofty karma]

[versed owl]

whats the rotation

you can try throwing lance on rosaria and like the catch or something on yunjin

oh wait ur already triggering fav

[tardy thunder]

ya

[lofty karma]

well IG 15s rotation yunjin only works if albedo/zhong are in there then

or geo MC

[tardy thunder]

rotation i had in mind was: Bennet E Q>Rosaria E Q>Yunjin E Q>Fischl CA 4NRR N1Q/E 2N2RR

the N2NRR at the end aint needed

at 30 yunjin stacks after the N1Q/E part

after first rotation shouldnt need to do fischl CA either i think

could prob instead do: Bennet E Q>Rosaria E Q>Yunjin E Q>Fischl CA 4N4RR N1Q/E > Yunjin E>Bennet E>Rosaria E?

Something like that?

help me out i suck at plotting out team rotations

this is what im at if that works

thats 9 liquid subs in ER for yunjin if this works, so thats doable

[versed owl]

why are you fischl CA 👀

shouldn't you just fischl E

[tardy thunder]

to trigger SC in the first rotation

[versed owl]

yea why not just E

[tardy thunder]

you have to wait until shes done N2RRing before summoning oz

her c1 doesnt work if oz is out

and c1 is crucial for the yunjin stacks

[versed owl]

ohh

right

[tardy thunder]

cuz her c1 is considered NA damage

so it basically makes all of her NAs do na damage twice

which is amazing for yunjin stacks

so you wanna dump out all those stacks then drop Oz

[versed owl]

yeah

[white plinth]

you know, c6 fischl is actually a liability in that team

have to wait for oz to disappear before the next dps window, and c6 adds 2 seconds to that

[tardy thunder]

That is true

Well I don’t think you really need to wait for him to fully disappear

Just have only a couple seconds left

But as long that fits into the rotations natural length it should be fine

But if it extends it that’s bad

[versed owl]

i imagine 3N4RR->N5 is faster than the N1

[tardy thunder]

N5?

[versed owl]

wait im trolling

keke

[tardy thunder]

i still need to math Pikeli

i have no idea what the ideal pikeli yunjin team to calc is tho

[versed owl]

actually

yea i htink 3n4rr -> n5 is faster

than 4n4rr -> n1

[tardy thunder]

Arent fischls NAs after N2 really slow?

[faint hornet]

Wait, has anyone done White Tassel Zhongli Yun Jin calcs?

[versed owl]

yea i think ideally you spam n1rr or n2rr

[tardy thunder]

i intend to

[versed owl]

but thats hard on fingers

[tardy thunder]

hmm

[tardy thunder]

why do i find n4rr harder than n2rr

i think i practiced n2rr so much

that anything else

my fingers reject

[versed owl]

lol

[tardy thunder]

lol

[versed owl]

yea

i cant n2c on hu tao for my life

[tardy thunder]

neither can i

[tardy thunder]

did you have any team ideas in mind?

thats what i need help with before calcing zhongli

is figuring out what team to use

[faint hornet]

No, I was just wracking my brain about that. lol

[tardy thunder]

zhongli yunjin and who else

i have no idea who the other 2 should be

[faint hornet]

'Cause like Gorou buffs Yun Jin, but not Zhongli in that comp...

So might not go the furthest.

[tardy thunder]

really a shame that we dont have a geo chongyun

would be so good for thi

this

[faint hornet]

And you could always just do like Bennett Sara, since you've got some good AoE between Yun Jin and Zhongli already...

But yeah, idk. I'm not the best with this kinda thing.

[balmy remnant]

i love n2cd

[tardy thunder]

attack buffs dont increase the yunjin Q dmg

[faint hornet]

Zhongli's burst also suffers.

[tardy thunder]

want a ton of multipliers

like dmg bonus and crit

Yoi works so perfect because her E is multiplicative on every singel NA

[faint hornet]

Maybe C6 Gorou is still best.

[tardy thunder]

wait thats true

[faint hornet]

Just to buff Zhongli's burst damage and Yun Jin skill/burst.

[tardy thunder]

gorou increases cdmg of all dmg types of geo characters

not just there geo damage

okay that works

he'll increase the size of Yunjin buff with defense steroid and also Zhong dongs cdmg

and tassle is a cr weapon

ill calc pike and tassel both probably

@faint hornet honestly mono geo prob the thing to calc here

Zhongli Gorou (c6) Yunjin Albedo

Albedo doesnt do anything for the yunjin dmg hes just there to do a lot of damage himself

[faint hornet]

No, Gorou only buffs their Geo DMG crit DMG.

[tardy thunder]

oh

rip

[versed owl]

what rotation did you use for the yoi team noir

[tardy thunder]

Rotation Length: 18s
Rotation 1 - Yoi CA> Albedo E Q> Kazuha E Q> Albedo NEN> Kazuha hold E> Yunjin E Q> Yoi E 4N4RR

that Yoi CA at the beginning could also be a Yoi Q for the first rotation even if using SR

[versed owl]

woah

albedo kazuha 👀

[tardy thunder]

they are a lovely duo

theres no bennet here because both kazuha and yunjin were buffing yoi by more than him

and bennet cant replace albedo because bennet doesnt shield

i think albedo pulls more weight than bennet there tho even without accounting for shields. or maybe not

[versed owl]

waait albedo shields?

👀

[tardy thunder]

gives a ton of crystalize shields

[versed owl]

hmm

its basically impossible to pick them up tho

[tardy thunder]

why? they will be everywhere

he makes a bunch of them

[versed owl]

you cant move tho

[tardy thunder]

its not like there wont be any next to you

[versed owl]

lemme try it

[tardy thunder]

you can also use bolide to make them stronger

or totm on albedo

or both of the above

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder watching your NRR video on fischl again and trying it myself, you can 100% be faster

[tardy thunder]

i suck at it

[balmy remnant]

which means the frankensteined yoi N4RR and N1RR frames are slower than they can be

[tardy thunder]

which means it was counted with plenty of room for error

so should be achievable for average player that does a bit of practice

right?

[versed owl]

so crystallize spawns right next to the target you hit

so if ur not close to them its p hard to get it

[balmy remnant]

yes

https://streamable.com/vlibuz

[tardy thunder]

if they're not close enough to you they cant hit you

[balmy remnant]

here's my try at it

[tardy thunder]

jokes aside, maybe you have to use bolide and totm if you wanna use albedo?

you'll have a few crystals next to you at the beginning at bare minimum from Yunjin

bolide and/or totm should make those strong enough to last a while

[tardy thunder]

this is so much better than mine

[versed owl]

i wanna test yoi yunjin ___ zhongli vs yoi beidou fischl zhongli

who do you think i should put as my filler

[tardy thunder]

kazuha

as filler

[versed owl]

ok

[tardy thunder]

for her personal dmg he's her second best buffer after yunjin

while doing a lot of damage himself

[versed owl]

feels weird to run basically mono pyro

[tardy thunder]

until you realize how much damage yunjin and kazuha are adding

Yunjins buff is amounting to 363k dmg there

[tardy thunder]

are you gonna calc the Yoi fireworks team or are there already kqm standard calcs for it done?

[versed owl]

idk if there's calcs

so i was gonna calc it

[tardy thunder]

pog

[lofty karma]

is this where we test dash/jump cancels instead of Aim cancels?

[versed owl]

what combo should i use for yoimiya

9n2rr? XD

[tardy thunder]

are they fast enough

[tardy thunder]

i calced her with 4N4RR

[lofty karma]

It may just be my bad RRs

[tardy thunder]

does 9n2rr work?

👀

[versed owl]

i think 11n2rr works with a robot

[lofty karma]

but jump cancel felt as good

[versed owl]

i can do 9

or something idk

[tardy thunder]

if 9 n2rr works thats pog

thats 3 more yunjin procs than 4n4rr

[lofty karma]

which means all 30

iirc we only hit 26

[tardy thunder]

wait

4 n4 is 24

9n2rr should be 27

we hit 24 in my revised calcs

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

wait no

not 27

i meant 24

typo

[versed owl]

ok nvm i think i misremembered

might be 9n2rr max

so based on ayzel's guide, 19n1rr is the best possible

but even the best humans can probably only hit 15-16 consistently

[tardy thunder]

oh wow so BowTae literally hit the max huh

what a legend

[versed owl]

yunjin Q is ticking when you're swapping to yoimiya and then pressing e though

so you wont be able to pull the full combos off

[tardy thunder]

kinda hard to figure out literal exact buff uptime without her being out tho

[versed owl]

ill just do 3N5 for both

[tardy thunder]

dont use N5 for Yunjin Yoi

[versed owl]

it'll be low balling it a little but whatever

[tardy thunder]

thats gimping it for no reason

[versed owl]

fine i'll do 4N4 :v

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

so far it seems like the only characters that can actually get all 30 stacks are fischl xianling and zhongli right?

[mental ingot]

C6

[tardy thunder]

man c6 kazuha would be so fcking good for yunjin

[mental ingot]

Kazoo doesn't really attack that fast, though.

[tardy thunder]

why it cant be an earlier con

[tardy thunder]

yes he does

i was able to consistently get 3N5s in 10s if my counting wasnt completely off

[mental ingot]

But C6 Kazoo also sac some crits for EM.

crits or ATK.

[tardy thunder]

use pjc or mist

or harbinger

[mental ingot]

[tardy thunder]

he has a lot of damage bonus at c6 doesnt he

[mental ingot]

C6 Kazoo would just be build as traditional ATK-scaling carry with an EM goblet instead, no?

Way less swirl damage in E and Q in exchange for glowy sword.

[tardy thunder]

isnt 700 EM on c6 kazuha 140% dmg bonus on his autos

[mental ingot]

Yes, but you also have no ATK or crits to take advantage of that 140% dmg bonus.

[tardy thunder]

bennet and crit weapons: are we a joke to you

[mental ingot]

Bennett is, actually, a joke to me.

[tardy thunder]

also not having attack for it wouldnt matter

cuz yunjin Q does not care about your attack

[mental ingot]

You wouldn't be getting 700 EM without a crit weapon, unless you burn a LOT of substats for EM, too.

[tardy thunder]

700EM isnt much

[mental ingot]

115.2 from ascension

187 from goblet

[tardy thunder]

125 from Albedo

[mental ingot]

You're looking at 400 EM from substats.

[tardy thunder]

EM sands

em em crit

is how i would run it

[mental ingot]

That's a very specific Kazoo build for Yunjin.

[tardy thunder]

which is what im talking about

Kazuha c6 yunjin albedo

idk who 4th

something for him to swirl

bennet i guess

[mental ingot]

Bennett.

[tawny spoke]

Noir how good is XL with PJWS on field

[tardy thunder]

could do a beidou

[tardy thunder]

you need ER weapon for on field

[tawny spoke]

I realize that my XL is a remnant of early gaming pike

[tawny spoke]

How much?

[tardy thunder]

we're talking about the yunjin team right

[tawny spoke]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

like 212

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder the new combo frames

still doesn't fit into 10 seconds, it practically 11 seconds long

[tardy thunder]

[tawny spoke]

Why is this higher req than a regular XL?

No funnel time?

[tardy thunder]

idk i dont understand energy math stuff

[balmy remnant]

it does fit if you're frame perfect

[tawny spoke]

Btw whats The XL combo here?

[tardy thunder]

4N4

[tawny spoke]

Ic ic

[tardy thunder]

Rotation (20s) Bennet E> Kazuha E Q>Bennet E Q>XianlingQE>Kazuha E>Yunjin EQ>Xianling 4N4

is what im thinking

probably far from perfect

[tawny spoke]

I can playtest it on yunjin drop

[tardy thunder]

i might level my XL AAs for it

not sure yet

still not decided on what yunjin team im gonna run

[tawny spoke]

I can t9 my XL AA now

I would hold it off for a while

[tardy thunder]

they use the same books so i farm for both at same time anyway

wont use the books but will farm them

i still dont know what Pikeli team to calc btw

[balmy remnant]

5N1RR + 3N4RR is 609 frames, which you have room to get down a bit and it's 28 hits

[tardy thunder]

the energy is a bit better if you use fav on both yunjin and kazuha

which might be needed

the ER reqs on yunjin were really high without it

[tardy thunder]

[tawny spoke]

[tardy thunder]

hmm 194 ER you can just use EL and your 2 fixed subs by kqm standards

and hit that number

this is why EL is such a great weapon

thing trivializes ER

[versed owl]

im trying to do er calcs for yoimiya fireworks

im getting like 150% ER needed on yoimiya??

with 4CW

[leaden topaz]

I fudging love EL

[wheat valley]

Tbh, her AA talents are still not that important

It's still the lower half of your base MV.

[random cloud]

Would like to ask for a dumb down explanation on how yunjin's buffs work

[compact girder]

They add to your base scaling

[tawny spoke]

Like this: (skill multiplier*Atk+Yunjin buff )

Conditions are if its NA dmg and the buff is limited by duration and number of hits and mobs ur hitting (30 stacks)( buff gets deducted based on the number of hits u do and the amount of mobs u hit. For example if ur hitting 3 mobs 10 times then thats 30 hits buff will end here.)

[random cloud]

Oh and it scales of example: my yoimiya's crit?

Does yunjin needs crit too or its a full def setup?

[solid delta]

no they will scale with the dmg bonus and crit of active char consuming the stacks

[vestal cipher]

you can compare it to zhongli's own added damage based on HP, except it scales off DEF and applies to other characters as well

[random cloud]

I ser, thanks!

[tardy thunder]

Sounds right

[tardy thunder]

Same

Speaking of which I’ve said before none of the 5 star weapons look good for Yunjin

But looking at her ER reqs in some teams

EL might be worth on her

Even tho she doesn’t care about the attack

[serene flint]

C6 gorou and yunjin + itto as main dps it's gonna be grate geo comp

[tardy thunder]

If only EL buffed both attack and defense

[tardy thunder]

Not sure how many NAs Itto gets tho

But if there’s enough multipliers it should be good even with a low count

Who would she replace tho

[serene flint]

itto max atk speed will sync with C6 buff on yunjin right?

[mental ingot]

Itto max attack speed?

[tardy thunder]

He buffs his attack speed

[tardy thunder]

I’d think so

[mental ingot]

But only for CAs, right? You’d want to be using mostly CAs anyways.

Or does his ult increase attack speed in general, too?

[tardy thunder]

im not sure

i forget

[serene flint]

yea 10% buff atk speed

[mental ingot]

Claymores seem suboptimal in general as Yunjin driver. Low # of hits, low attack speed.

Unless... R5 pines Yoola.

Wait no. R5 Pines Razor.

[tardy thunder]

sadly seems so

[lofty karma]

Also massive hitlag

So even if you go all the way on atk speed

You hit a wall much faster

[radiant wagon]

how much nas does eula do for her burst again

[lofty karma]

Tap E burst 4na hold E 4 na is the full sequence

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qGFlSJLmXBd_7ezhl3cIMwHzdd8vM5qj5jNMlmyYM0s/edit?usp=sharing put my XL Yunjin math on a sheet so no one can cry about txt

ill gradually do the same with the rest of my math

which is a lot

[compact girder]

Is there a polearm chara with no hitlag

[lofty karma]

Nope

All melee Chars have hitlag

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-Q60NQoiYtkLoNE3bnGOWQTlrmzZJsz4Jcy6WAsAjM/edit?usp=sharing put the Yoi Kazuh albedo Yunjin team calcs on a sheet

[vale furnace]

Would diluc infusion benefit from yunjin

[lofty karma]

Yes
But why
Most of his damage comes from his Es vaping

[tardy thunder]

his autos would but does he vape enough of them for it to be good enough?

how many NAs does Diluc typically vape in a 10s window

if the vape counts are good it could be something there

[vale furnace]

Was just trying to think of dps characters we haven't thought of yet that use NA at all.

And I believe it's 2 NA after each E but I'm not a diluc player so I'm not sure

[mental ingot]

It is, especially for Diluc C6.

[jovial citrus]

Wait, doesn't buffs have hitlag extension?

I thought of it when I was thinking about c1 hu tao 10N2CD dealing 20 normals in "9s"

[tardy thunder]

yes

[jovial citrus]

So...yunjin can also extend her buff duration?

[lofty karma]

Sort of.. but not really

Well... Not a worthwhile amount

Basically for figuring out what fits in buff time
Exclude hitlag from frame counts

[tardy thunder]

maye? idk

[jovial citrus]

I thought this could make zhong li and xiangling more viable

[lofty karma]

The duration increase is basically just buff timers being put on pause during hitlag frames

[jovial citrus]

I'm still waiting for the pike meta

Sure I don't have one at lvl 60 from when I started playing the game with phys XL

[tardy thunder]

it could make it easier to get in all 30 stacks with more room for error maybe

[tardy thunder]

hmm that could actually be good for noelle and razor right

help them get more stacks in

[lofty karma]

A little

But it's like 1s at most

[tardy thunder]

thats 10% more buff uptime

[jovial citrus]

Still don't help razor that much cause he will never do 3 normals/s but noelle can AoE with the stacks

[sour root]

appreciate that

[balmy remnant]

@sour root #913132027371483226 message

[sour root]

already open lol

backreading

[balmy remnant]

[sour root]

ahh u chose the deathmatch as well as a contender

[balmy remnant]

if by "u" you mean noir then yes, if me, no

[mental ingot]

Would Ning proc two Q stacks every NA?

[balmy remnant]

yes

i think

[sour root]

im still testing a few things, but i was hoping to skip the part where i have to determine yois rotation with the aspd bonus from c6

[balmy remnant]

it makes a difference

especially since bows have no hitlag

[lofty karma]

@tardy thunder
Smokes blunt

What about lavawalker on albedo in yoi comp?

Probably worse than husk

[balmy remnant]

[lofty karma]

But specifically in the gorou 4th variation

[tardy thunder]

Worse than husk

Without question

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

If Er needs don’t allow DM then fav lance or EL

[ebon sinew]

[tame tree]

I need more fav lances

[tardy thunder]

I have two at r5

[lofty karma]

spine also works

and unlike favlance/EL not that many chars actually want it

[tardy thunder]

Gives barely more ER than lance without the particles

EL gives a whopping 85 ER

[lofty karma]

how you getting particles with the 1 yunjin E tho

[tardy thunder]

Cast Q too

[lofty karma]

so you're just gonna sit around letting the particle come to you if Q triggers it

and waste uptime?

[tardy thunder]

?

[lofty karma]

takes a good .3-.5 s to collect particles

you really wanna waste that out of the precious Q uptime if you happen to proc favlance?

and without crit hat it's gonna be rare enough you can't rely on proccing it

[tardy thunder]

Why can’t you swap

It’s still more energy for everyone even if she doesn’t pick it up

[tardy thunder]

so we gotta use CR/def/def with favonious you think?

[lofty karma]

heck
you can't really rely on it even if you swap

you need 60 CR minimum to rely on a fav weapon

[tardy thunder]

Pray for defense subs on Cr hat?

[lofty karma]

that CR is worse than just ER timepiece

unless your onfield is just that energy hungry

[tardy thunder]

Feel like we might run into serious Er issues if it’s gonna be like you describe

[tardy thunder]

Xianling

[lofty karma]

xianling is more or less the only unit favlance might be better than the other options for

and really
spine is outclassed by catch on basically any char that would have wanted it
so if you're just using a trashed ER sub weapon

obv don't roll for spine for yunjin
but other chars can use all the other ER options better

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Very true

Can’t argue with that

I wouldn’t mind having someone to use my spine on

[abstract night]

fav lance is genshin's bandaid. i swear if i have a character coping on er, more often than not its always the polearm user

[versed owl]

@tardy thunder

for the yoimiya yunjin team what ER did you use

[tardy thunder]

On Yoi?

None

She didn’t Q

[versed owl]

oh

hm

this is what i got fwiw

btw my fireworks calc is a bit off

i forgot that yoimiya q gave her team 10-20% atk

bumps up the dps to 60k

from 57k

[tardy thunder]

Wait I thought the DPR was like 566k?

How you get 60k dps

[versed owl]

that was aoe calc

[tardy thunder]

Lemme check what you posted again

[versed owl]

so i used 0.5 multiplier for each autoattack

just double all my damage numbers basically

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[versed owl]

ugh

not using q in the fireworks team is too annoying

im just gonna assume its good

since it gives beidou atk%

i have to reduce the overload procs, which because of electro resonance actually reduces the electro particles i get, which makes me have to redo energy calcs

[tardy thunder]

this is what i get

ignore Yoi since she doesnt Q

kazuha have favonious so shes already above 154

[versed owl]

ok close enough

[balmy remnant]

what ER calc is that

[ember stag]

How's Yunjin so far?

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit?usp=sharing

[balmy remnant]

ah so it is that one

how'd you add yunjin to the data?

[tardy thunder]

you can add on the other page

[balmy remnant]

at the bottom or did you try to slot her in her alphabetical spot?

[balmy remnant]

pog

[tardy thunder]

Very nice

@versed owl you used 9N2RR?

That’s more hits than the combo I used

If I change to that combo my damage will go up

[mental ingot]

Reality check for Yunjin TC channel.

[tardy thunder]

Btw is Thoma damage bad even if we build for it?

Wondering if he would work as shielder and sub dps for these yoi teams

[mental ingot]

Yes.

[tardy thunder]

Even if he have EL to fix energy need?

[mental ingot]

His Q MV is not good.

[gaunt wind]

Thoma's dmg is unsalvageable

[ember stag]

how pog?

[tardy thunder]

Creates new team comp possibilities

And extends possibilities for existing comps

[compact girder]

I shall continue to believe in Yungguang

[tardy thunder]

Same

[compact girder]

Really interested in yun jin’s “real” auto string though

[tardy thunder]

That would prob be what I’d like to play if I had a constellation Ning

[compact girder]

Its much much faster apparently

[tardy thunder]

But she’s literally the only 4 star that I have that has no constellations at all yet

[balmy remnant]

you didn't tell me i'd have to go through a majority of the cells to change a single number when i added some new data

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

[balmy remnant]

when i added yunjin to the bottom of the Data sheet in the ER calc, under zhongli

[tardy thunder]

Add her above him

Not below

[balmy remnant]

i went through every cell that referenced that table and manually changed every "46" into "47" and the drop down menu boxes so it would include her

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

at least i know a tiny bit about how that sheet works now

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

[tardy thunder]

@versed owl if I change too Yunjin to 29N2RR the team dps goes up to 59k ST

Well I guess not literally ST since I have double swirls on Kazuha

[balmy remnant]

29N2RR

[tardy thunder]

Is it achievable?

[balmy remnant]

29??

[tardy thunder]

9*

Not 29

[balmy remnant]

lemme consult frames rq, i wanna see if you can cancel N2 faster than it already is, because yoi N2 is blisteringly quick

[tardy thunder]

It’s definitely an upgrade if we can but I don’t know how practical it would be to assume most people can do it

[versed owl]

lol

did you use 54.67% for yunjin or 54.67% x 1.5879 for Yoimiya's E interaction

[leaden topaz]

Is there any Yoi Yunjin and Albedo team calcs?

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

What’s 54.67

I used 1.5879

[versed owl]

yunjin's damage increase is 57.89% def right

[balmy remnant]

if you're frame perfect you can make N2 only last 5 frames

[versed owl]

err 54.67%

[tardy thunder]

64.32 at t12+her a4

So 71.82

[versed owl]

ok gotcha

[tardy thunder]

Cuz 3 elements

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder you can do more than 9

[versed owl]

10N2RR 👀

[balmy remnant]

10N2RR + N1 is 611 frames, but the second arrow of N1 comes out at 602

that's,, uhhh,, that's 32 hits

[tardy thunder]

Thats stonks

[versed owl]

oh wow

shimenawa is so much better than CW

[balmy remnant]

even if the second arrow of the last N1 doesn't fit in yunjin's window that's still 31 hits

[versed owl]

that's why my calc looked so weak

[tardy thunder]

Would 10N2RR be reasonable assumption then? 👀

[versed owl]

probs not

but 9N2RR already hits 30 yun jin stacks

[tardy thunder]

How hard is it to pull off

[tardy thunder]

That’s 27

[versed owl]

o

nvm

kek

[tardy thunder]

3*9

Still a 2k dps increase over 4N4RR tho

[tardy thunder]

Also the way you do ST and AoE confuse me why do you halve everyone damage for ST

[versed owl]

i copied pick basically

[tardy thunder]

[versed owl]

my yoimiya damage is still a bit short of yours

for my yun jin calc

[tardy thunder]

Team?

[versed owl]

which is surprising since i'm using level 90 9/9/9 and more EM on kazuha and 9N2RR

im using zhong instead of albedo

otherwise same as you

yunjin kazuha yoi

i have tenacity buff and zhongli shred too

[tardy thunder]

Maybe our Yunjins have different Q buff levels

[versed owl]

mine is 3000 def 71.82%

[tardy thunder]

I used 9/9 talents too but 80/90

[versed owl]

pretty close

[tardy thunder]

Maybe you entered something wrong

[versed owl]

oh

uh

[tardy thunder]

How much dmg you get

[versed owl]

i might not have dragged my zhongli buff across all attacks

oops

[balmy remnant]

[versed owl]

KEK

ok mine is higher now

730k total

[balmy remnant]

[versed owl]

seems correct

[tardy thunder]

How does it compare to your Beidou Fischl variant?

I try to compare mine to your firework but yours is confusing with the halved damage stuff

[versed owl]

its probably gonna be less damage

i still need to calc kazuha damage

but also you have to consider that i basically calced beidou's best situation

so this should blow it out of the water vs 1 enemy

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[versed owl]

one thing

[balmy remnant]

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

me for skipping both kazu and yoi

[versed owl]

i lost my train of thought

tbh idk if yoi is going to be the best driver for yunjin

[balmy remnant]

pikeli ?

[versed owl]

lol

im pretty sure this zhongli on my yoimiya teams

is trolling their damages

[tardy thunder]

Wym

[versed owl]

he's probably not optimal by a long shot