Yunjin Thread

[modern blaze]

probably something like hu tao XQ CY kaeya/diona

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea what f2p do

depends entirely on what 5 stars they pulled for

[modern blaze]

yea

tbh you can even do something like hu tao XQ mona XL

it's kinda weird but it works

[tardy thunder]

mona tao is underrated

i love xinqiu mona hu tao trio

xinqiu batteries mona

[modern blaze]

[tardy thunder]

mona lets you get fat Q nuke and some steroided CAs

last slot can be albedo or sucrose for EM

or now yunjin

[modern blaze]

actually f2p hu tao can be something like
hu tao XQ sucrose amber

typical VV tao but no elegy and sucrose instead of kaz

[solid delta]

is yunjin C2 works as additive dmg% bonus or does it go into her normal atk dmg buff on her ult ?

[tardy thunder]

should be additive dmg based on wording

but its mihoyo

so you never know

[solid delta]

yeah additive dmg bonus is what i was assuming

[faint hornet]

Oh, Aloy hits twice with her N1. Aloy Yun Jin. lol

[tardy thunder]

Problem is getting a lot cryo infused to begin with

[faint hornet]

Sac Bow.

[tardy thunder]

That isn’t going to help

You have to wait for enemies to contact the bombs

On an icd

So you can’t even use Kazuha to speed it up

It’s so freaking bad

[faint hornet]

The initial hit does count as a stack.

[tardy thunder]

It’s the worst flaw any character has in the entire game

[faint hornet]

So that'd be 2/4 stacks.

With more bombs on the field.

[tawny spoke]

https://youtu.be/98K5fXd6BiY

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

XL Yunjin with white tassle

its only doing 3% less than what i have homa doing

[tame tree]

[tawdry lava]

did you use zhongli in your yoimiya calc over kazuha?

[balmy remnant]

pyronado 3 initial hits doesn't have the * 0.5

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

Ahhh thanks for pointing that out

That explain how wt so close

[balmy remnant]

goes down to 792,962 DPR which is still for the white tassel

[odd lotus]

@tardy thunder this is from the kqm xl guide, you need er on her, and that’s with funneling

[faint hornet]

Had a dumb idea. Use Yun Jin as main DPS, Gorou to buff Yun Jin, Albedo as off-field DPS, then use Xinyan as burst DPS/shielder. Need C4 Yun Jin for her DEF% bonus. If shield strength is an issue, use Retracting Bolide on Yun Jin. lol

[tardy thunder]

two updated versions to account for needing ER

damage still really good

[compact girder]

I still cant process 900k dpr ningguang

PMA killer

[tardy thunder]

[radiant wagon]

wait team dpr or just ningguang

[tardy thunder]

Just Ning

It’s 869k tho

Not 900k

[radiant wagon]

whats the team comp? yun-ning-zhongli-bennett?

[tardy thunder]

I calced that too

The 869k one was Ning Gorou yunjin bennet

With ZL instead of Gorou it’s at 756k

[radiant wagon]

ah ok

[tardy thunder]

Was a c6 Gorou tho

[timid portal]

how high were the investments?

[compact girder]

All i remember was r3 solar pearl

[lofty karma]

do we ping sitri for this

[tardy thunder]

for what

[lofty karma]

I'm sure he'd be glad to see ning being good

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

I dont think sitri would like the txt format

[lofty karma]

annoying sitri with that is just gravy

[compact girder]

Gravy?

[tardy thunder]

icing on the cake

[balmy remnant]

i got your frames in the other chat

[wheat valley]

Is that with resistances

[compact girder]

Yes

[wheat valley]

20s or 15s rotation @compact girder

[compact girder]

20

[wheat valley]

Hmm.

Why 20

[lofty karma]

is gorou 20?

[wheat valley]

Gorou's E has 10/10 uptime

And it's really all you need

[tardy thunder]

20 cuz of field time

[wheat valley]

43k DPS

Still pretty nice

[tardy thunder]

thats just ning damage btw :)

[lofty karma]

*ning+yunjin

right?

[tardy thunder]

fully buffed ning

buffed by gorou c6 yunjin and bennet

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder imagine if

No Bennett but

Albedo

[lofty karma]

legit worth considering tbh

[compact girder]

Less ning dmg but i feel like its more total dmg

[lofty karma]

however... I don't.... like quad geo

[wheat valley]

Three of your team doesn't benefit from Bennett

[compact girder]

[wheat valley]

It's like

The True Mono Geo

[lofty karma]

the problem is

[wheat valley]

Mono Pyro still has Geo and Anemo

[lofty karma]

what do you do vs shields?

[wheat valley]

Which ones

[compact girder]

Tbh i think fischl is worth considering too

[lofty karma]

the lectors in floor 12 in 2.5?

yeah fischl is nice

[wheat valley]

As a reminder, Ningguang has 10+7 hits on her ult alone.

[lofty karma]

lisa?

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

Sure but…energy where

[radiant wagon]

ningguang mono geo over itto mono geo

[wheat valley]

N2C+Q+CA=7+10+8

[lofty karma]

fav codex + 2 scholar 2 EoSF

[wheat valley]

25 hits

[lofty karma]

or 4 eosf

[wheat valley]

9 gauge reduction procs

Geo is weak against shields not because they can't break them.

But because they don't have a good multihit unit outside of Ning

Zhongli and Albedo are once every 2 seconds, with ICD on Zhongli, Noelle has ICD, GMC has ICD and his E is 6s.

[alpine mauve]

albedo cant even hit most shields

[tawny spoke]

good thing this oke on the coming abyss

[compact girder]

Does ning CA have icd

Just n1c the fuckers until the shield disappears

[brave rune]

No iirc

[vale badger]

does anyone have 2 million yunjin hit ss?

[compact girder]

What?

[vale badger]

yea

somewhere i saw her hitting 2 mil

beta trial

[compact girder]

[vale badger]

it was here on this server

[compact girder]

This? Its a beta client, its modified

Not real dmg

[vale badger]

not this

but maybe it will be the same thing

modified

[compact girder]

Did you mean this lol? Its badly edited by me

[vale badger]

since 4 stars cant scale that high

[vale badger]

not this one too

nvm then

[vestal cipher]

you mean ning gorou yunjin bennett?

[hot bane]

Back reading, did you find the answer to this?

[lofty karma]

Deathmatch gives no buff iirc when off field

It's just never been relevant

[modern blaze]

but do we know if she snapshots?

because the couple seconds she is on field, she has the DM buff active

[lofty karma]

Yunjin doesn't have any built in dynamic buffs, so maybe?

But I doubt it now that they're adding weapons like calamity bringer which add dynamic buffs to every character

And her snapshotting with husk would also be worse than what you'd think you would get

[compact karma]

i feel like she doesn't snapshot based off of her C4 which the duration is just right to work if you E -> Q and swap to another character to dump the Q buff

wait there's literally a line on her burst on the honey page that says it checks her current DEF before doing the dmg

[tardy thunder]

yes

thank you for the correction

[tardy thunder]

it works off field

i tested

had to test before spreading DM propaganda

[lofty karma]

We got footage too?

[tardy thunder]

i didnt record

but i put it on my raiden

[vestal cipher]

would gorou be worth it over any other subdps (beidou, xiangling, etc)?

[tardy thunder]

and her atk and defense were both still increased off field

for over 2 minutes

if you have DM you can try it yourself

or if necessary i can get footage for proof

[lofty karma]

I forgot Raiden E didn't snapshot

That's a lot less convoluted than what I was thinking

Having to measure hutao blood blossoms

[tardy thunder]

also, heres an idea for Yoi Yunjin team

replace zhongli with albedo

use bolide on Yoi

now you have an actual sub dps increasing the team damage and stronk enough crystals to help with interruption

should be a big improvement on the team dps while only slightly lowering Yois personal dps methinks

[lofty karma]

Yes bolide on yoi
But the more I think on it

Does kazuha dmg bonus yield more damage than AMC extra shred?

[tardy thunder]

dunno

[lofty karma]

I'm gonna laugh if this makes AMC meta

[tardy thunder]

also does anyone know how much ER Yoi needs to Q every rotation (without SR)

trying to see if my LW and Bolide builds Q every rotation or every other rotation

[lofty karma]

Or another crazy idea
Prob too crazy to even merit a response

Albedo husk
Yunjin husk
Xianling eosf
Yoimiya Petra

[tardy thunder]

explain

ill here you out

I am also insane

[lofty karma]

Having the onfield run Petra gets rid of the issue with actually grabbing the crystal
Esp with albedo spamming them

[tardy thunder]

heres the problem with that

[lofty karma]

And 35% isn't that much worse than bolides 40%

[tardy thunder]

by having yunjin use petra, Yoi gets to have her set bonus plus petra buff; 40+35=75

with petra on her its just petra

35+0=35

35 vs 75

[lofty karma]

But is a big upgrade on xianlingd pyronado

[tardy thunder]

is pretty huge

you can get petra on XL pyronado if shes there already.

just pick up a crystal on yunjin before using XL

XL snapshots

feels like you're trying to fix an issue that isn't really there tbh

[lofty karma]

Well then who's wearing Petra?

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin

[lofty karma]

Fair enough

[tardy thunder]

also with albedo there shitting out crystals i dont think picking one up on yunjin is even gonna be an issue

you prob pick one up naturally while casting E and Q

[lofty karma]

And I guess with that much crystal spam, we can go back to SR yoi

[tardy thunder]

problem is if your crystal gets pierced through, you get interrupted

[lofty karma]

And we're doing shorter combos with yoi

And don't even care about xq vape getting shifted

Because he's not there

[tardy thunder]

hmm ok ill make a copy of my Yoi calcs but replace Zhong with Albedo

[lofty karma]

So the only thing shield really matters for is not dying
And albedo damage

[tardy thunder]

and 15% dmg bonus

from resonance

Yoi damage should go down by 10% without zhongli shred but albedo damage should be way more than the 10% she loses

prob like 3x more

or 2.5

just a guess

i plan to calc the full team dps today

also @tawny spoke are you here?

[tardy thunder]

yesterday you said I should do team dps math for comparison of another pure pyro team

so i calced full team dps of PP Klee

now i have a comparison

@lofty karma i wonder tho; if using SR means skipping Q entirely, if using Bolide and either Q every other rotation, or Q every rotation with a little ER (however much is needed), would be stronger than SR her burst does decent damage

ill just calc it with SR for now for simplicity sake

[balmy remnant]

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma Rotation 1 - Bennet E>Albedo E Q>Bennet E Q>Yunjin E Q>Yoimiya E 3N1 4N4
Rotation 2 - Albedo E Q> Bennet E Q> Yunjin E Q > Yoi E 3N1 4N4

rotation seem fine?

[lofty karma]

Also yoi bis probably thundering pulse or viridescent hunt

Rather than rust

Hunt in particular is gonna be interesting because while weak the CC may enable quad scaling for albedo

[tardy thunder]

isnt rust on par with 5 stars on her?

if hunt allows albedo AoE that would be quite spicy tho

idk how good the cc on it is tho

[balmy remnant]

rust is on par iirc

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma hmm i calced albedo dmg and its less than i expected - 169k but Yoi lost about 135k from replacing zhong with Albedo, so its barely an upgrade maybe i made a mistake in albedo dmg calc. I calced him at 8 E procs, 1 E cast, 1 Q cast, and 3 fatal blossoms

if this is correct he should prob be using totm instead of husk to buff Yoi

ill calc what his dmg and Yois look like if totm is on him

or maybe can use Albedo Q within Bennet Buff to increase his dmg

[balmy remnant]

R5 cinnabar?

[tardy thunder]

yeah

i mightve calced it wrong

check plz

wasnt sure if you calc it by just adding 80 defense MV to each instance of E damage, or if you take 80% of his defense and then multiply that by dmg bonus crit enemy defense and resistance

i did the latter

Rotation 1 - Albedo E>Bennet E Q>Yunjin E Q>Yoimiya E 3N1 4N4>Albedo E Q
Rotation 2 - Bennet E Q> Yunjin E Q > Yoi E 3N1 4N4>Albedo E Q

^if this rotation would work instead with his Q getting bennet buffed that should help

oh i also forgot to give him pyro resonance so his Q dmg is slightly lower than it should be

[balmy remnant]

these are only 17k-19k albedo procs

[white plinth]

for unbuffed albedo that seems right

[tardy thunder]

He have no Gorou or zhong here

since Yois dmg here is so high totm on albedo might provide more to the overall team damage than husk on him

let me see what his dmg will look like if he can get bennet buff on Q tho

[tardy thunder]

Ok i have him at 209k now

[tardy thunder]

hmm i have him doing 209k with husk and 189k with totm

totm should be better let me calc how much more Yoi do with it

plus it make the crystal shields more dependable

[balmy remnant]

do you have the e cast, q cast, and q blossoms buffed by totm?

[tardy thunder]

yes

hmm okay so the damage total of albedo damage plus yoi damage is higher with husk on albedo than totm

barely tho

by 5598 dmg

so basically equal

totm does also buff yunjin and bennet dmg a bit

so prob just about equal or slightly higher for overall team dps in favor of totm

so basically use whichever

ill get exact numbers once i have full team dps math

[balmy remnant]

shouldn't albedo's ATK before buffs be 1192, because pyro resonance is innate?

[tardy thunder]

do you mean 1192 with or without resonance

[balmy remnant]

with resonance

because base + feather is 1016 which i see you used for cast E unbuffed, but shouldn't unbuffed include pyro resonance since it's innate?

[tardy thunder]

you are correct

[balmy remnant]

so 705 + 311 + (705 *.2 NO) + (705 *.2 TOTM) + (705 * .25 Pyro R) + 1088 (Bennett) should be his fully buffed ATK right?

[tardy thunder]

ya

[balmy remnant]

that's 3831 rounded down, but you have 2421 down in your calcs

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

Also I really don't like Bennett in this team
He only helps 1 char and a lot less than Bennett normally does

[tardy thunder]

how are you getting 3831

[tardy thunder]

not sure how he's helping Yoi less than usual

[balmy remnant]

my bad i did something wrong, 2562 is correct

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma hmm maybe kazuha is better than bennet then?

since kazuha will add more personal dps than bennet

and albedo buffs kazuhas damage and his buff both

you wouldnt have a healer tho so would be relying entirely on crystals so would prob definitely want totm and bolide for comfort

ill have to calc what Yoi damage here would be with kazuha instead of bennet

not sure how similar they are in buff power

[balmy remnant]

so his ATK should be 2562 for his Q cast, Q blossoms, and second E cast in benny ult, right?

[tardy thunder]

ya

[balmy remnant]

you used 2421

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

Yeah
Any vv is

[tardy thunder]

i used 2562 in the totm one

[tardy thunder]

are you sure?

[lofty karma]

Though I do want to see if AMC outperforms kazuha

Also low key
Gorou might be good

[tardy thunder]

the chances of that are pretty much 0

[balmy remnant]

i was reading the calcs and glossed over that that was 4 HooD

[tardy thunder]

Gorou could be good

[tardy thunder]

heres totm

do you mean Gorou in place of bennet? or in place of albedo/zhong?

[lofty karma]

Especially if you're using rust over hunt

You just have so much dmg% that the extra shred might be worth more than 30% more

[tardy thunder]

Gorou gives poise so he could act as the shield spot

[lofty karma]

Yeah
In place of Bennett

[tardy thunder]

i really dont see that happening

20% shred is a 10% dmg increase

amc would need his buff plus his unreliable damage to outperform kazuhas reliable damage and his buff both

and if albedo is there kazuhas buff is even bigger

cuz albedos 125 EM buff increases the amount kazuha buffs by

i can see Gorou outperforming bennet here tho especially if its a c6 gorou

since albedo and yunjin will both get huge dps increases from him, and he will make Yunjins buff even bigger

[lofty karma]

Gorou helps yunjin, the real star of the show

And also albedo

[tardy thunder]

You're gonna see Albedos damage shoot up real fast with Gorou

[lofty karma]

Instead of yoi who is just there for dmg% and driving

[tardy thunder]

you make a fair point that i dont disagree with

plus freeing up bennet will shut up any babies that say "waahhh this needs bennet its so trash!"

[lofty karma]

Which is also why I think hunt is gonna outperform rust outside of maybe r5 or something

[tardy thunder]

isnt this why rust would outperform hunt?

80% dmg bonus

[lofty karma]

Because the atk% sub on rust means basically nothing

[tardy thunder]

that Yoi uses

Yunjin uses

i mean

yunjin buff gets to abuse a whopping 80%

dmg bonus from rust

[lofty karma]

Hunt has a lot of crit value too though
Not as much as pulse

[tardy thunder]

its only 27.6 cr

[lofty karma]

And not everyone is gonna have an r5 rust for that 80%

[tardy thunder]

sure

it might outperform a low refine rust that is fair

[lofty karma]

R5 rust probably beats pulse here roo

*too

[tardy thunder]

hmm

Gorou should just use 4 NO here right

since petra has to be on yunjin for full uptime

@lofty karma you dont have any objections to me using a c6 gorou for calcs right?

[random cloud]

Hi just want to ask whats looking like yunjins BIS 4* at the moment (and artifact set)

[balmy remnant]

Deathmatch is Yunjin BIS, period afaik. and 4 Husk

[random cloud]

Oh does yunjin's flat damage bonus scales with her crit or the buffed ally's crit

[balmy remnant]

buffed allies'

[tardy thunder]

4 husk or 4 petra depending on the team

deathmatch or fav lance depending on the team

[balmy remnant]

^

[random cloud]

I see, thanks! What do we use on ex. a yoimiya comp

[lofty karma]

Does it?

Well more
Does losing 1s of Petra uptime mean more than having Petra and having husk on yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea

[lofty karma]

Because an extra 54% def on yunjin almost certainly means more than noblesse

[tardy thunder]

Like say we have Petra on Gorou and we trigger it on him then swap to Yunjin then yoi and get say…8s up time on Yoi

Would need someone to help me find out the exact attack string Petra falls off on Yoi

To calc it

I can not figure that out myself

[lofty karma]

You can still use the yoi time that doesn't have Petra

[tardy thunder]

I need to know which attacks won’t have Petra buff, I mean

[lofty karma]

I do have yoi as well if you need yoi jean footage for frame counting

[tardy thunder]

If you can dump out all 30 stacks of Yunjin on Yoi that would be great tho

[tardy thunder]

Before Petra expires I mean

[lofty karma]

Yeah
At that point, no reason to hang around on yoi too

[tardy thunder]

Well she does a lot of damage

She has 8s downtime not sure there’s any benefit extending that

[tardy thunder]

Idk how to frame count

Do you know how to aim cancel on Yoi?

[balmy remnant]

i gotchu

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

No

I never practiced aim cancelling

[tardy thunder]

Hmm rotation here could prob be something like: Yoi Q/CA(just need to apply pyro) Gorou Q>Albedo E Q>Gorou E(pick up Petra - easy because of Q) Yunjin E Q>Yoi E 3N1 4N4

[tardy thunder]

Sadge. That’s what we need to do to get our 30 hits I think

[lofty karma]

Rip

Even with yunjin c6?

[balmy remnant]

yeah, i think Noir's full combo notation is 3N1RR 4N4RR so carpal tunnel

[tardy thunder]

If you get 12% more attacks with c6, and without aim cancels best you could do was 4N4, 12% more is still only 26

I have no idea if that’s how atk speed actually work tho

Wait you have Jean c2

Try seeing what you can do without aim cancels maybe with Jean c2

Either N1 spam or n4 spam whichever you think will get closest to 30

[balmy remnant]

atk speed is nicer to catalyts and bow users

[tardy thunder]

I forget Yois frame counts

But maybe just spamming the shit out of N1 can get there with Yunjin c6?

[balmy remnant]

N1RR?

[tardy thunder]

I’m tryna see without aim cancels

If it’s possible at all

To hit 30

Since atilla don’t know how to do them

[balmy remnant]

have you tried with fischl if you can spam N1 w/out aim cancels?

[tardy thunder]

I tried her n2

Want me to get footage of n1?

Also @lofty karma mono geo comp of Zhongli Yunjin Gorou albedo might be lit

Cuz Zhongli can get all Yunjin stacks easily

[balmy remnant]

how do you spam N1 without aim cancelling? or N2

[tardy thunder]

Dash

[tardy thunder]

Pikeli

[balmy remnant]

average dash is 24 frames

[tardy thunder]

How many seconds is that

[lofty karma]

Yep

[tardy thunder]

I’m trying N1D on fischl it feels impossible

It’s always N2D

Her N2 comes out so fast that dashing before it feels nigh impossible

[balmy remnant]

fischl N1D feels not worht it

[tardy thunder]

Feels slower than N2D

[balmy remnant]

also wouldn't practicing with aloy be better? since aloy has a 2 hit N1?

[tardy thunder]

Also my fingers have gotten so used to aim canceling instead lol that dash cancel on her feels weird

Sure I can do that

Same thing as fischl

N2 so fast you dash after it not n1

Guess we could see if n2ds are enough

Or just get good and aim cancel

[balmy remnant]

how in the world do you do ARCC cancels wth

or whatever charge shot spam is

[tardy thunder]

Idk

I don’t do that one

I feel like the average player can get 30 Yoi hits with aim cancels if they practice tho

Even if imperfect

My aim cancels are imperfect and still feel better than dash

I’m getting distracted tho I now wanna math mono geo Pikeli

[balmy remnant]

i most charge shot spam cancels i can do in a row was 2

and they were boomer hands slow and took 5 minutes of tying

[tardy thunder]

Regular aim cancels aren’t too hard O O L2

Oh do we have Zhongli AA frames anyway

[balmy remnant]

i think the only practice you need for N1RR is to not be too early and cancel the second arrow

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[balmy remnant]

i have zhongli and C2 jean

[tardy thunder]

Wanna see how many NA chains he can do in Yunjin 10s window

[balmy remnant]

N4s?

[tardy thunder]

He should be one of the most efficient Yunjin drivers but idk if he has enough multipliers to make her dmg crazy

[balmy remnant]

dash cancels right? faster than jump

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that’s his multi hit right?

Ya

If he has similar frames to Xianling then 4N4 should be achievable

[balmy remnant]

kick

[tardy thunder]

Kick?

[lofty karma]

Yep

Why I was offering

And phone is deciding to not let me send messages now

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Oh wait

His multi hit is N5

Not N4

Do that

[balmy remnant]

oh yeah N5

i forgot he has a 6 combo

[lofty karma]

Oh hey phone back working

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

also TIL Zhongli is so hard to keep still dash canceling and hitting a tree with his fast and hella momentum filled attacks smh

[tardy thunder]

Is that good or bad

[balmy remnant]

i did it

FUCK I WASN'T RECORDINGNNNGNNGNGNG

[balmy remnant]

his attacks are so linear and the tree's are so thin

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Can’t you whack an enemy?

[balmy remnant]

true

i'll switch weapons and down a ruin guard

[lofty karma]

Just use a beginners protector and go ham on a ruin guard

Also probably good to take off most Artis

[balmy remnant]

ADC Pikeli

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

i need to be quick, i may not get it in a bit since i need to leave and get my booster shot soon

[tawny spoke]

Whats the combo?

[balmy remnant]

N5D

[tawny spoke]

N5?

Oh dash to cancel the kick?

[lofty karma]

Also re yoi frame counts
Lemme see if I can get the yoi mains TC team on board with this idea as well

[tardy thunder]

invite me to the server plz

[lofty karma]

Also
What weapon for albedo?

Spindle probably
But maybe pjc/desire

[tardy thunder]

also @lofty karma dont think replacing bennet with gorou is gonna be worth it in the yoi team yoi+albedo dmg combined with gorou c6 in place of bennet is 8% less than yoi+albedo dmg combined with bennet there

[tardy thunder]

spindle

[lofty karma]

Or freedom sworn?

[tardy thunder]

PJC if you have it

its his bis

unless you dont Q at all

then spindle is his BiS

they are very close tho even if you Q

[lofty karma]

What about kazuha then?

[tardy thunder]

will have to calc it havent yet

ill do that now while waiting for frames

[lofty karma]

Still on the way home then gotta eat

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder i did a frame perfect N5D in the video and N5 only lasted 6 frames before the dash and all 4 hits/spear spinning still registered

[lofty karma]

[balmy remnant]

all the other N5Ds were 19-20 frames between the start of N5 and the start of the Dash

[tardy thunder]

hmm @lofty karma kazuha shouldnt need favonious here right? since only ppl that will need energy are himself and yunjin - not sure if they need enough for him to need favonious

no idea how much EM Yunjin and kazuha need here tho

[lofty karma]

He shouldn't if gorou has fav bow

[tardy thunder]

no gorou here

[lofty karma]

Ah right

Then maybe? Idk

Only decent energy gen in team is albedo

[tardy thunder]

ill just assume fav on him then

Yoi doesnt ult anyway tho she at least doesnt need energy

albedo should be fine with 2 geo since hes 40 cost

[lofty karma]

Lemme see if I can find the energy calculator

See how much ER he needs

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder

i don't think my game was running perfect 60 so there is a margin of error

Zhongli would be able to get 4N5 + N3/4 if you're perfect

[tardy thunder]

Oh wow

That’s way more than enough

[balmy remnant]

which is 35/36 hits

[tardy thunder]

Only concern now is if he doesn’t have enough multipliers to skyrocket her damage

[balmy remnant]

zhongli with atk spd goes brrr

[tardy thunder]

If only he could convert his autos to geo damage

This would be perfect

[balmy remnant]

geo chongyun

[tardy thunder]

That’s all Yunjin is missing

Is a constellation that lets her turn attacks to geo

Shoulda been part of her c6

[balmy remnant]

double edged sword like bennett c6?

[tardy thunder]

Ya

Wouldn’t affect bows and catalysts tho so they’d be fine

And I’m sure bennet c6 would override it

[balmy remnant]

idk man, rock + fire is just lava if hot enough which would technically be both

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma you were right

Kazuha increased yoi damage

By more than bennet

This is exciting

With him she’s doing 872k bennet 831k

So he’s buffing her by more while doing a lot of damage himself

[lofty karma]

Now test AMC just for luls

[tardy thunder]

no

[lofty karma]

Well it's either that or c6 venti to test extra shred

[tardy thunder]

heres the math

ill calc kazuha damage there now

would be really nice if kazuha could use freedom here

since that damage bonus would go to yunjin buff

also funny thing here: Yunjin is 49% of Yoimiyas damage here

even more than that if you account for petra

[lofty karma]

Thought she'd be more

[tardy thunder]

think you're underestimating Yoimiya lol

this is still Yunjin buff accounting for 423k damage

thats a lot

[mental ingot]

Yunjin.

Is the consensus for Yunjin just %DEF stacking as much as possible?

[lofty karma]

Wait wait wait

What if

Instead of albedo

EM Raiden

Or EM fischl

Or if we can get the energy reqs

EM lisa

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

OL procs for them would do 20k+ a piece

And if we can get Lisa to work, that's another yunjin/yoi multiplier with def shred

[tardy thunder]

where healer

or shielder

or any type of interruption protection

[lofty karma]

Maybe switch yoi to bolide then instead of SR

[tardy thunder]

even then you're only gonna have the 2 crystals from yunjin

and not an abundance

[lofty karma]

And hope OL stagger is enough to make yunjin crystals go all the way

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

maybe it could work with prototype amber lisa

thats a 2s longer rotation tho

[lofty karma]

I was thinking we'd need fav codex to make Lisa work

[tardy thunder]

rip healing

[lofty karma]

Because 80 energy is a lot

Just Dodge lol

Alternatively

We could do sucrose with prototype amber

If c6

Or fav codex her and funnel lisa

Or honestly c6 sucrose may be better just to ttods yoi

Does eat into yunjin time tho

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea what you're even tryna do anymore

are we still on the Yoi team?

Or do you mean a sucrose Carry team with Yunjin?

[lofty karma]

nah
sucrose TToDs yoi

[lofty karma]

also albedo procs where

[tardy thunder]

ignore that. i forgot to remove that from the assumptions descriptions

bennet isnt calced

[tardy thunder]

adding kazuha and albedo personal damage to it rn

[lofty karma]

the fact that this is hitting near 50k dps without either of those 2 calced in is

[tardy thunder]

its at 1,188,336 team dpr now

all thats left is Yunjin personal damage to calc

should be quick and easy for her

[lofty karma]

1 million dps?

[tardy thunder]

not dps

dpr

if this is an 18s rotation thats 66k dps

[lofty karma]

also maybe we can get away with freedom sworn kazuha if ER timepiece + some subs

[tardy thunder]

probably

need to see ER calcs

[lofty karma]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wZuLTQSq9Ql_EUBi0cvJ_DB1--Nig1zTMwcJEmUjr0A/edit#gid=2080935050

FOUND IT

[tardy thunder]

wuzzat

"you need access"

[lofty karma]

changed perms

idk where original is

but this is ER calc

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

tiny bit outdated as raiden is last add

but we can just call yunjin beidou right?

[tardy thunder]

ning prob makes roughly same particles right

hmm wait

we need it to be 60 cast

cost*

could we pretend GMC is yunjin

[lofty karma]

idk how many particles gmc makes

[stable inlet]

i think is 4

[tardy thunder]

3 iirc

can just assume she will need slightly more than whatever it says for gmc i guess?

[lofty karma]

zhongli is 60 cost ult

makes rng particles tho

[balmy remnant]

zhongli is 40

[tardy thunder]

no he isnt

[lofty karma]

also
uh
pretty sure kazuha isn't hitting 240 ER naturally

so probably unrealistic to use non ER weapon without c1

[tardy thunder]

what do the numbers become with favonious on him?

[lofty karma]

196

[tardy thunder]

even with 2 Es per ult?

[lofty karma]

are we doing 2 hold Es 2 tap or one of each?

because one of each is also 196

[tardy thunder]

prob 1 hold 1 tap

wait

did you apply favonious particles?

[lofty karma]

thats without fav

with fav 164

[tardy thunder]

there we go

that sounds correct

[lofty karma]

also c0 3 Es is 164

[tardy thunder]

how much on yunjin and albedo?

you can prob get 2 Yunjin Es per albedo Q

[tardy thunder]

would need to map out the second rotation

[lofty karma]

is it needed though?

with fav on kazuha she only needs 156

[tardy thunder]

i unno

would lower ER reqs on both her and albedo

[lofty karma]

or 169 if c0 kaz no fav

honestly
I don't think you ult with albedo in this comp unless c2

[tardy thunder]

it buffs EM

which buffs kazuha damage

which buffs kazuha buff

[lofty karma]

by 5%

when you already have 280+% damage bonus

literally net gain of 1.7% damage, which is not really worth his ult kinda being mediocre pre c2 and eating time

[tardy thunder]

you forgot the part where it buffs kazuha damage

im not seeing what the benefit of not ulting with him is

do you have something better to do in that time?

Yoi has 8s downtime

[lofty karma]

sac sword kazuha instead?

another kazuha E is probably better damage wise than a pre c2 albedo ult

[tardy thunder]

maybe

lemme see

you'd also have to account for Kazuha having 125 less EM

albedo Q doing about 20k here in my calcs. if you're trying to cut out albedo Q to do sac sword kazuha instead, it has to make up for that

as well as having less dmg bonus on Yoi

as well as Kazuha having less EM

[lofty karma]

or we could just TF yoimiya

so total DPR "lost" is
20k from albedo ult itself
15308 from lost pyro bonus
12009 from lost kazuha EM

[tardy thunder]

thats a lot

a single kazuha E gained cant make up for that

[lofty karma]

yeah

gonna calc it just to be sure

how many swirls were you assuming for the Es?

[tardy thunder]

was counting double swirls, so 4 total

[lofty karma]

well that's 23292 added back right there

wait... that wasn't per E

was it

[tardy thunder]

wym

[lofty karma]

how many swirls per E

[tardy thunder]

Kazuha gets 2 swirls per E

with double swirl its effectively 4

[lofty karma]

so sac sword would make back 33571 out of the lost 47k

[tardy thunder]

not enough

[odd lotus]

This doesn’t happen, kazuha’s buff can’t get buffed itself via em transfers

[tardy thunder]

that is not true

[odd lotus]

Didn’t mihoyo release a whole thing about that

[tardy thunder]

It doesn't work with EM transfers that come from a percentage of your X characters own EM

Example: sucrose

It does work with flat EM buffs

Example: albedo, instructors, his own c2

[odd lotus]

Wtf really??

Huh that’s so strange

[tardy thunder]

yes. thats why albedo double anemo is a team

[lofty karma]

wait... what if

ADC phys kazuha
gorou
yunjin
albedo

[tardy thunder]

what is kazuha doing there instead of Pikeli?

he get less yunjin stacks than zhong

and have nothing to swirl

[lofty karma]

being a waste of a kazuha

that's what he's doing

[tardy thunder]

and a waste of yunjin

[compact girder]

Pikeling when

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

reject that and just use her with c6 bennet instead

high key i want to see if its worth not using Xianlings Q in the XL Yunjin team

and just using 4 SR

[compact girder]

Tassel ling

[tardy thunder]

since she needs so much ER there

[compact girder]

[tardy thunder]

just let your dong hang loose and get full throttle NA

[tardy thunder]

i calced that but i hadn't accounted for ER so that calc is meaningless RN

should i calc it again but just skip her Q and use 4 SR lol

wanna see how it compares to the corrected XL-Yunjin calcs that are adjusted for ER

it will be so funny if SR Xianling is able to come a thing

reject pyronado return to AA spam

ill calc it when im done with my artifact route

wait....what if instead of Pikeli

we do white tassle zhongli

[lofty karma]

with bennett?

[tardy thunder]

the zhong yunjin teams i had in mind were mono geo

[lofty karma]

ah

[tardy thunder]

and zhongli xinyan rosaria yunjin

melt rosaria melting off your xinyan aura

xinyan providing pyro shred and damage bonus

phys i mean

not pyro

rosaria also providing more shred if c6

[lofty karma]

both of those teams sound somehow more cursed than the stuff I come up with

[tardy thunder]

i am just as insane as you

[odd lotus]

White tassle without Bennett … that’s not gonna end up well lol

[lofty karma]

man
we need this emote here

[tardy thunder]

well im imagining the Yunjin Q damage buff is gonna be bigger than zhonglis own damage anyway

[compact girder]

Ok yun jin barbara calcs did not go well

[tardy thunder]

and yunjins damage bonus doesnt care about attack

but does like that crit rate and 48% dmg bonus

[lofty karma]

pike shenhe with yunjin kaeya and rosaria

[tardy thunder]

why not tassel

its 23 CR and 48% dmg bonus for yunjin

[lofty karma]

actually that team is probably better with bennett than yunjin

since her E doesn't snapshot

you can keep her on field

and double dip bennett on kaeya/rosaria

[lofty karma]

or replace one with cryo infuse kazuha

[tardy thunder]

did you ignore what i said

about Yunjin Q not caring about attack

[lofty karma]

the more I think about it
bennett shenhe sounds like it could be degen

[odd lotus]

Idk it seems like not enough

[lofty karma]

prob worse than reverse melt kaeya/rosaria teams tho

[tardy thunder]

ill calc it

[lofty karma]

but bennett double dip

[tardy thunder]

eventually

[lofty karma]

🤤

[tardy thunder]

well, im gonna calc WT Xianling first

which will have bennet in it

[lofty karma]

wanderers troupe XL?

[tardy thunder]

tassle

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

not troupe

Xianling Bennet Zhongli/Albedo/Gorou and Yunjin

[lofty karma]

zhongli probs best

[tardy thunder]

prob

wonder if you can fit a meatball into bennet burst

[lofty karma]

ToTm or some other madness?

[tardy thunder]

totm if its relaible enough

if its not prob just give him catch and eosf

for some damage

[lofty karma]

eosf on 40 cost ult

[tardy thunder]

if you're already using catch isnt that gonna be the best set to boost his Qs damage?

[lofty karma]

yeah

it's just funny

[odd lotus]

I run him w that but I have him c2 so I never use hold e

[tardy thunder]

i really hope his rerun is true for 2.4

[lofty karma]

I actually need to start the game and get those yoi frames to you don't I?

[tardy thunder]

all this Yunjin teams that happen to appreciate zhong

[lofty karma]

also
be warned
she's Level 1

so it may take a bit to not die

[tardy thunder]

ya

[tardy thunder]

just use a zhong shield

[lofty karma]

also
I plan on trying to clear floor 12 first half with the level 1 yoi

and record it

just for the memes

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

prob best to go with gorou on that one

[lofty karma]

well resins filled up again

so back to suffering in EoSF domain

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

3 months in and no EM hat or cup

[tardy thunder]

Need this?

[lofty karma]

that would be nice yes

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

cup preferable since I have a loaded EM off set hat

and my offset cup is only just good

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

one last question on goro comp

how does it compare if c2 albedo?

[tardy thunder]

Will have to calc that tomorrow

[fierce field]

is her def or hp scaling better? not sure if i should prefarm 2 bolide or 2 husk (running 2 petra, and 2 of 1 of the other sets

[compact girder]

Uhh

Hp?

For what

[fierce field]

doesnt her shield scale off HP?

[alpine mauve]

it's a counter

would you rather scale her counter shield or her dmg

[compact girder]

Why would you scale her counter shield

Thats like building def on barbara

[alpine mauve]

that was kinda the point i was making

[ocean nacelle]

yunjin is gonna be good for dps kokomi right?

[compact girder]

Kokomi’s bonuses are all additive

From her burst, A4, and 5* weapon

Only multiplicative part is hydro dmg bonus

[tardy thunder]

That’s part of the reason why Yoi is gonna be probably her BiS partner

Yoi E is multiplicative on every single NA

It’s literally exactly what Yunjin wants

Also something I just thought of

These Yunjin teams might sheet well even under KQM standards

Since they are fairly hyper carry esque

Imma start using kqm standards from now on now that I finally understand it

[tame tree]

wait, you're right 👀

[tardy thunder]

Which is how I’m able to have Yunjin Q amounting to over 400k with Yoi

[tame tree]

holy shit

but yeah, it makes sense that YJ is Yoi best partner
Yoi literally has a extra multiplier on her NAs

[tardy thunder]

If Mihoyo rerun Yoi in 2.4 people get to claim Mihoyo continuing trend of releasing 4 stars as dedicated support to 5 star they run with

[tame tree]

I really need YJ C6

[tardy thunder]

Or just get good at aim canceling

And you can deplete all 30 Yunjin stacks

[tame tree]

so what would be the team?
Yoi + XQ + YJ + ZL?

[tame tree]

wait really?

[tardy thunder]

I’m using 3N1RR 4N4RR in my calcs

I think it’s achievable to hit all 30 doing that even if you mess a few up

Waiting for frame counts to be certain

[tame tree]

3N1RR

[tardy thunder]

Yoi Albedo Yunjin Kazuha

Is what I currently think is best

[tardy thunder]

Do you think more N4RR would be easier?

[tame tree]

better than vape huh?

[tardy thunder]

You can only get vape on 10/30 of Yunjin stacks

[tame tree]

yeah, N1RRs is really difficult

[tardy thunder]

I’d rather buff every single hit

Than 1/3

[tame tree]

yeah, makes sense

[tardy thunder]

How achievable do you think 5N4RR is

That would also be 30

[tame tree]

I dont know if that is possible without any atk speed increase

[tardy thunder]

15 N1RR would do it, 10 N2RR would do it, 7.5 N3RR would do it, 5N4RR would do it, or 4.2 N5RR

[tame tree]

normal Yoi combo is 3N5RR + N2

[tardy thunder]

That’s not 30

[tame tree]

4N4RR is doable

[tardy thunder]

6 hits off

[tame tree]

but I dont think you can reach all 30 stacks without any atk speed

[tardy thunder]

What about with Yunjin c6

[tame tree]

its 12% atk speed?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

Would that just be 12% more attacks

[tame tree]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

That would still only be 26

You sure it’s not probable to hit 30?

Need frame counts

[tame tree]

i'm not a Yoi expert, so i'm not sure

if you are a god at RR probably

[tardy thunder]

videos have been sent here of people getting 38 hits in like 5 seconds

but those were god hands

[tame tree]

but even if you cant reach all 30 stacks, YJ is already really good for Yoi anyway

wait, YJ Q last for how long?

[tardy thunder]

10s

exact same as Yoi E

[tame tree]

but you are gonna lose a bit of time from switching + activating Yoi E

[tardy thunder]

her E is like instant aint it

[tame tree]

so realistically you are only gonna have YJ buff for 9 secs

[tardy thunder]

and you should be able to swap canc Yunjin Q

need someone who has yoimiya and does aim cancels to record their footag

https://youtu.be/EAmUB7Ayoy4 if only everyone was this guy

[tame tree]

true gamer

[tardy thunder]

looked like you were able to instantly cancel the E cast with her N1 right

the e cast animation

[tardy thunder]

wait are you not holding the walk button?

you're supposed to do that

i cant tell if you are

it makes the attacks significantly faster

[tame tree]

wdym?

[tardy thunder]

when you auto attack with bow characters

hold whatever button makes you walk forward

same with catalyst

or actually any character im pretty sure

it makes your attacks come out faster

[tame tree]

hmmmm

i'm not seeing any difference tbh

[tardy thunder]

you should be

[tame tree]

here i'm doing the max you can do without any atk speed already

[tardy thunder]

how many is that? i cant tell

[tame tree]

3N5RR + N2

[tardy thunder]

N4 is better isnt it

cuz thats her last multi hit

[tame tree]

for total hit count yeah

[tardy thunder]

thats what we need

can you see how many you get with n4?

if only Yoi had multi hit on her n2 or n3 as well

or if we had an attack speed set

we really need that

[tame tree]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

hmm @tame tree if 4 N4+1N2 is possible we can hti 30 with 12% atk speed

plz tell me thats possible

[tame tree]

idk, the E ends after the 4N4RR

[tardy thunder]

why do her attacks look so slow

let me see what damage i get if i use KQM standards and 4N4RR only again

@tame tree under KQM standards and with 4 N4RR instead of 3N1RR 4N4RR, im getting 682k dpr

thats still pretty good

[tame tree]

how much were you getting before?

[tardy thunder]

well my prior calcs werent under kqm standards, but it was 872k

let me see what the damage under kqm standards would be if i included the 3N1RR

just to see how much less not getting all 30 hits is

@tame tree with 3N1RR 4N4RR i have it at 735k under kqm standards

so she loses about 8% damage by not doing the full 30

[tame tree]

damn, thats a big dmg increase for 3 more AAs

[tardy thunder]

which isnt as bad as i thought

[tardy thunder]

dont sleep on Yunjin

[tame tree]

i'm not

[tardy thunder]

with 4 N4RR Yunjin is amounting to more than half of Yois damage here

before even accounting for petra

[tame tree]

what?

[tardy thunder]

hang on ill send you my math

[tardy thunder]

Total DPR: (4NR44)
N4x4=340,096 (49.8%)
Yunjinx24=341,920 (50.1%)
682,016 total
37,889 dps if 18s rotation

tldr

[tame tree]

dude, wtf?

YJ is cracked

[tardy thunder]

thats assuming a level 90 Yunjin with 4 petra under kqm standards at t12 ult, with 4 liquid subs in def% and 6 in flat defense

[tame tree]

4 petra

[tardy thunder]

what you have against petra

i can run the numbers with husk too for comparison

[tawny spoke]

Now imagine that if Yunjin buffed CAs

[tame tree]

farming

[tardy thunder]

wait you dont have a petra set?

technically thats not bad for farming

you can get bolide for Yoi there

[tame tree]

I literally never farmed that domain

[tardy thunder]

since bolide is actually good on her

[tawny spoke]

My fellow gamer

[tardy thunder]

Bolide with Q every other rotation might be on par with SR with Q never

[tawny spoke]

I never touched that domain in my life

[tardy thunder]

i already have a solid triple defense petra set

thanks to farming that domain for albedo long ago

[wheat valley]

I farmed that domain for a month and the only Bolide piece I have

Is a feather

It's like, legit cursed

[tame tree]

YJ runs triple DEF?

[tawny spoke]

I will probably farmed it soon for my ning

[tardy thunder]

yes

@tame tree good news. with yusk on yunjin and 4N4RR the damage is almost exactly same as petra

[wheat valley]

Yusk

@tardy thunder Join the Kokomi Christmas

[tardy thunder]

676k yusk 682k petra

[tame tree]

just from the DEF buff?

[tardy thunder]

the Y is for Yunjin

[tame tree]

damn, YJ scaling is kinda nuts ngl

[tardy thunder]

added husk on

Total DPR:
316,086 N4x4 (46.7%)
360,703 Yunjinx24 (53.3%)
676,789 total - 0.8% less dps than petra

less than 1% difference than petra

while having higher personal damage on Yunjin, not that her damage matters much here

but even with her damage at copium levels it might be able to make up that 0.8%

thats only like 5k more dpr Yunjin herself would need to do form going from petra to husk to make it even kek

[brazen mirage]

How much er does Yunjin need?