Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

but was informed energy might not be realisitic while Qing every rotation

so i changed to LW

btw do any of you guys have Xiao?

[tame tree]

Do you need to Q every rotation tho?

[tardy thunder]

not sure - i saved over my calcs that had SR instead of LW

so ill have to calc it all over again to compare

which i dont mind doing

[tardy thunder]

im trying to calc xiao yunjin

[tame tree]

No one on that team want a ATK% buff tbh

[tardy thunder]

need to know how many NAs he can do in 10s yunjin buff window doing N4 combo

was gonna assume 4 N4 but then i rememered E Q before he can start attacking might make that impossible

[tardy thunder]

it increased yunjins dps by 30

jk lol her Q did good damage in my calcs tho

[tame tree]

I see

[tardy thunder]

it was doing 93k assuming 4 Q procs with 3 of the procs buffed

and Q cast not procced

would be a bit higher if 5 procs is possible

but im assuming it isnt?

dont have her to test these things myself

[tame tree]

I have no idea tbh

[tardy thunder]

Xiao Yunjin math

got 630,119 DPR

crazy thing is more than half that is coming from yunjin buff

[balmy remnant]

artifacts 2 glad 4 vv? or another typo where you switched 2 and 4

[tardy thunder]

typo\

im not familiar with how much damage xiao typically does so i dont know how this compares to his other teams

[solid delta]

uh 116 cdmg sounds too low for xiao

[radiant wagon]

is this the 5n4 > a few plunges thing you were discussing earlier?

[versed owl]

[faint hornet]

I don't know much about Xiao, but does this work so well mostly 'cause he hits fast and not especially hard, being a polearm user?

[versed owl]

where can I find her frame counts?

also do we know if her Q has a cd?

[faint hornet]

Has anyone done calcs on Keqing and Yun Jin btw?

[balmy remnant]

yunjin? i have

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y6ZVgsNAX3t06sF1mEkWLeifOpfXSY734D2vfPZqy3Y/edit?usp=sharing

[visual jay]

what weapon can yunjin use?

[versed owl]

tyty

[timid sand]

would yun jin work well with a phys dps fischl ?

[tardy thunder]

funny thing you ask! i LITERALLY just finished calcing that

and was about to post it

LOL

like, LITERALLY

[tardy thunder]

anyone wanan check my mat see if anything looks off?

just found a typo - said 7 N2 in 10s. meant 10 N2 in 10s

[balmy remnant]

typos /j

[tardy thunder]

31k dps is pretty good but problem is i dont have anyone else on that team thats really doing a lot of damage

if my assumptions are correct and ZL gets a bennet buffed Q he should do around like 70k average damage, Yunjin like 40k-ish. bennet prob like 30k-ish. so if split between those 3 theres an extra 130k dpr the team would have about 40k dps. assuming this is indeed a 15s rotation and my assumptions are accurate

thats pretty good i think

another thing im thinking might work is

build both zhongli and fischl for physical

[balmy remnant]

these are dash cancels right? or sweaty RR

[tardy thunder]

with good animation cancels fischl can deplete yunjin stacks so fast you could prob then swap to ZL and get a good amount of NAs in before yunjin expires

[tardy thunder]

RRs at what im estimating an average player that has practiced it can achieve

sweaty god hands would i think have like twice as many as this

since 1010 video showed someone do 9 in 5 seconds

while i have 10 in 10 seconds assumed

[balmy remnant]

i tried to macro it and my laptop had a stroke

[tardy thunder]

if someone can provide me footage of a non god-handed player doing it i can update my counts based on it if needed

[faint hornet]

What is RR?

[balmy remnant]

double tapping R to enter and exit aim mode

[faint hornet]

Oh aim cancel.

I'm on console. lol

[balmy remnant]

i think aim cancel can be faster on console, or easier

[tardy thunder]

in yunjin mains ive been told its way easier on console

i can neither confirm or deny that claim

[faint hornet]

I haven't played on PC, so idk either. lol

[balmy remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcceCJt7T0k

this is yoimiya, but you get it

[faint hornet]

You can't do that easily on PC?

[balmy remnant]

try timing clicks with a double tap of R, aneurysm

[faint hornet]

Can't you just use a controller on PC?

[balmy remnant]

i just realized this is BowTae

[oblique thorn]

if Yoimiya reruns im gonna roll her

and play on controller

battle is always more comfy on controller

but menu with controller is cancer

[faint hornet]

Yeah, menus on console are annoying. Idk if it works the same on PC with controller.

[tardy thunder]

Oh shit Yoi can do this too

Think she can get to 30 Yunjin stacks with aim cancel?

[balmy remnant]

BowTae fired 38 arrows, 19 N1RRs in one E window with yoi

[tardy thunder]

N1RR

That seems disgusting with Yunjin

Wonder what a regular human could do

[balmy remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGLL4v4UzM4

[oblique thorn]

i tried playing Yoimiya on kbm on trial

very fast and easy way to get carpal tunnel

[tardy thunder]

I’m gonna update my Yoi math to include some N1 cancels

For the sake of some humans being regular humans, do you think 3 N1 aim cancels then 4 N4 would be fair?

That’s all you need for 30 Yunjin stacks

[odd lotus]

My carpal tunnel shivers at this

[tardy thunder]

What’s carpal tunnel?

[faint hornet]

Wrist strain.

[compact girder]

Oh

[oblique thorn]

30 N1s? no way

[balmy remnant]

without ATK SPD, tony to did 25 arrows, 3N4RR + N5, and it looked like regular human speed

[oblique thorn]

try like 12

[oblique thorn]

is it C6 Yoi?

[tardy thunder]

30?

i said 3

[tardy thunder]

i need 30

30 arrows

[balmy remnant]

i don't think he counted extra C6 arrows if there were any, and i watched over it again, 3N4RR + N5 is 25 arrows

[oblique thorn]

3N1RR?

[tardy thunder]

ah the n5 is the problem

maybe

[tardy thunder]

3N1 RR then 4 N4

n4s either RR or dash cancel if it would fit in

[oblique thorn]

what is 31N11?

[tardy thunder]

a typo

3N1

3n1 is 6 attacks

[oblique thorn]

3N1 = 3 arrows

[tardy thunder]

4 N4 is 24

[tardy thunder]

no it istn

her n1 hits twice

[oblique thorn]

unless Yoi has double hits on first

[tardy thunder]

she does

thats the entire reason i want to do it

[oblique thorn]

why do u stop at 3N1?

and change to N4

[tardy thunder]

dunno

[lofty karma]

yunjin gonna make us redo framecount/optimal combo calcs for every single carry lmao

[oblique thorn]

[balmy remnant]

i'll do it if i can get the footage

[tardy thunder]

for the sake of assuming that doing like 8 3n1 would be too sweaty

to assume for the average player

idk if it actually would or not

ive never practiced aim cancels

dont have yoi either but id assume can practice it on any bow character?

[oblique thorn]

8 x 3N1 = 24N1?

yeah u can do on any bow char

Fischl

Amber

it's cancer on kbm

[tardy thunder]

oh wait no. youd need to do 15

to hit 30 stacks

sounds too sweaty

[balmy remnant]

if someone who has yoi can send videos spamming N1RR and N4RR, we can frankenstein the average frames together for optimal combos and simulate 12% ATK SPD boost

[compact girder]

No catalyst can use yun jin rn right

[oblique thorn]

Bowtae did 19, Isu did 12

[tardy thunder]

cant Koko?

[oblique thorn]

just for comparison

[tardy thunder]

hmm

[balmy remnant]

koko can't take full advantage because no crit

[compact girder]

I feel like koko cant abuse the buff well because she doesnt crit and all of her scalings are additive, with hydro dmg bonus being the only multiplicative

[tardy thunder]

ah

that sucks

[compact girder]

Its gonna be like a 1~1.5k increase at most

[tardy thunder]

catalysts usually have high CA scaling so i dont think she good for them

[lofty karma]

So I guess count me out of yoi yunjin footage then
Despite having yoi my fingers are too sloppy to aim cancel

[compact girder]

Yeah which is ass

[tardy thunder]

btw did you see my xiao yunjin calcs

[compact girder]

All i play are catalysts

[lofty karma]

no

[tardy thunder]

yunjin buff was 51% of xiaos damage

it was hilarious

[lofty karma]

is autoing with xiao worth it tho?

[compact girder]

Was it better than pogo stick xiao

[tardy thunder]

i dont know what a regular xiao build damage looks like so i cant say

here it is if you want to see and compare for yourself

[white plinth]

why EL

[tardy thunder]

so he can battery himself

you'd need a second anemo without it

and ttds would be kinda ass here

since you want to swap directly from yunjin to xiao

[compact girder]

NA catalyst dps when

Maybe yae

[tardy thunder]

could possibly increase the dps by doing something like N2P instead

what i have im assuming is far from the perfect way of playing it

[tardy thunder]

would need someone to record that so i can get counts

@solid delta up for the task?

[sour bear]

What's Yunjin's build? just stacking a lot of def???

[balmy remnant]

i think memu is asleep since uid was eu

[compact girder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

aw

[tardy thunder]

yes

[sour bear]

no need for a Geo cup?

[compact girder]

Kokomi was the last catalyst they release right

Maybe yae will also be NA focused

[sour bear]

just a def cup would do I assume? or is it still needed?

[compact girder]

No you just stack triple def

I dont think her damage is good enough to justify building it

[sour bear]

aight aight Thanks!

[tardy thunder]

and her damage with triple defense doesnt look that far off anyway

obviously defense geo crit is better

but its not like its doing twice the damage

[compact girder]

Its probably like 10k only

[tawny spoke]

This is actually regular gamer possible

It takes time tho

Cuz it involves training ur muscle memory

[brave rune]

Bbut.. I'm on mobile...

[radiant wagon]

simply perform better

[brave rune]

[radiant wagon]

get a friend to press the aim button

[tardy thunder]

i got updated yunjin yoi math

assuming 3 N1 4 n4 is reasonable with animation cancel

Yoi is back above 1m dpr

[brave rune]

[radiant wagon]

whats her benchmark dpr normally? im not familiar with her dpr

[tardy thunder]

no idea

i think like 600k

[tardy thunder]

scroll down to where it says n4 version btw

[tawny spoke]

Be good

Get a console

Then be good there

[faint hornet]

The nice thing is that you can use Yun Jin for her skill/burst damage and Zhongli for his burst too.

[tardy thunder]

console finally winning?

[brave rune]

I have.. a switch..

[tardy thunder]

yup

[tawny spoke]

U need 60 fps tho

[brave rune]

[tardy thunder]

genshin coming to switch soon trust

[tawny spoke]

30 fps is master race for magic extensions

[compact girder]

Noir does Ning/Yun jin/Zhongli/Fischl sound good?
Ning goes basic dps build
Yun jin 4 husk
Zhong 4 petra for fischl
Fischl 4ToTM

[tardy thunder]

what buttons is he pressing i cant tell

[tawny spoke]

L2 and R2

At the same time

Well thats for the rapid cancels

For the yoi thing u need to time it

Sadly I dont have a Yoi to try it

[tardy thunder]

what does r2 do?

[tawny spoke]

Atk

[tardy thunder]

oooh

[tawny spoke]

Change ur atk button to r2

[tardy thunder]

did not know that

im trying it but it just keeps making me summon Oz lol

[tawny spoke]

So skill becomes 'O'

[tardy thunder]

but its still summoning oz

[tawny spoke]

Change ur set up for the atk to r2

[tardy thunder]

change skill to r2?

[tawny spoke]

Skill is default at r2

[tardy thunder]

oh

[tawny spoke]

Atk at 'O'

Wait Im using an asian console

So it might be different

[tardy thunder]

when i change skill to circle it also changes aim mode attack to circle

doesnt let them be on different buttons

[tawny spoke]

[tardy thunder]

and sometimes l2 just doesnt enter aim mode for me

[faint hornet]

PS5?

[tawny spoke]

Theres something wrong with ur controller

[tardy thunder]

yes

[tawny spoke]

U can do the same thing on mobile

With 60 fps

Console is really not needed but its easier to do it on console

[tardy thunder]

does it not work on ps4

does it have to be ps5

[tawny spoke]

It works on ps4

https://youtu.be/uEVtVSsg3l4

Well the goal for yoi is N1RR

Just the RR part

Not this kind

[tardy thunder]

these cancels are so confusing

[oblique thorn]

[tawny spoke]

Move

Add the walking part cuz its easier to cancel while walking the character

[tawny spoke]

Just do a normal people cancel

[tardy thunder]

no

i think im starting to get the hang of it

still sometimes fischl is in aim mode too long or for some reason jsut doesnt enter it

but i think im getting used to it

[tawny spoke]

Max ur sensitivity

[tardy thunder]

ok im finding that its a lot easier when i try to n1 instead of n2 on fischl

[tardy thunder]

how do i do that

[tawny spoke]

Go to settings

[tardy thunder]

aimed shot mode camera sensitivity?

[tawny spoke]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

what about regular camera sensitivty

that too?

[tawny spoke]

It can stay

[tardy thunder]

oki

lets see how much that helped

[tawny spoke]

It might help u a bit

[tardy thunder]

you meant turn it up to 6 not down to 0 right

feels roughly the same

[tawny spoke]

Time to practice N1RR

Arrc is different noir

[tardy thunder]

which is which

i dont know keyboard language

[tawny spoke]

U have to practice N1RR

For the yoi cancels

[tardy thunder]

im just doing OL2

[tawny spoke]

ARRC deals CA dmg

[tardy thunder]

i dont know what that is in keyboard talk

why do we ca

[tawny spoke]

This is rapid fire

[tardy thunder]

is that not good enough?

[tawny spoke]

U wont deal NA on ARRC

[tardy thunder]

then its useless

[tawny spoke]

N1RR lets u do normals

[tardy thunder]

n1RR is what im doing right

[tawny spoke]

https://youtu.be/lGLL4v4UzM4 should look like this

[tardy thunder]

i think thats what im doing but not nearly as fast

[tawny spoke]

U can make ur character move to make it easier if ur not comfortable in standing

It takes a lot of time to be useable

[tardy thunder]

im holding walk button

[tawny spoke]

Basically just assume normal people cancel

[tardy thunder]

was i not supposed to do that

[balmy remnant]

L2 is aim, R2 is attack, spam, R2, L2, R2, L2... flick it like in his other video but it'll be loud

[tardy thunder]

imperfect aim cancels are still faster than dash cancels tho arent they

[tawny spoke]

This for Normal with RR cancels

[balmy remnant]

that's what he's doing right?

[tawny spoke]

Yeah

Why are u doing this anyway?

[tardy thunder]

for Yoi Yunjin

[balmy remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPO5DSsw1xU

[tardy thunder]

originally i was doing 4 N4 with regular cancels

[balmy remnant]

no excuses

[tardy thunder]

which gets 24 yunjin stacks

but if you can fit in at least 3 N1s in addition to those 4

you will get all 30

which is a huge increase

[brave rune]

I think I can do that

[tardy thunder]

in my calcs it got her over 1m dpr

from 869k to over 1m

[balmy remnant]

that's for charge shots tho

[tawny spoke]

Thats CA

The normal one has a different sequence

[tardy thunder]

btw im gonna calc ning yunjin

what should the team i calc be

Ning Yunjin Gorou Zhong?

or put a benny in there over gorou

[balmy remnant]

so either buffing yunjin's buff, or buffing ning's atk?

[tardy thunder]

^and yunjin dmg cuz it scales with defense

[modern blaze]

i wonder if ning c1 can trigger yunjin's burst more than once with the splash damage
maybe you can do something like ning yunjin venti + flex

[tardy thunder]

we dont know if aoe gets the damage extra for each enemy

or if it just counts extra stacks without doing extra

put Pearl said ning n1 always hits twice

so im interesting

said 5 n2c can be done in her window

[modern blaze]

so 10 NAs?

doesn't look very good imo, unless it procs from the c1 splash damage too
you're wasting 2/3 of yunjin's burst with that

[tardy thunder]

15

her n1 apparently always hits twice

[hearty thunder]

is that adding the c1 aoe

if it ever was the case

[tardy thunder]

no

im going off what pearl told me

should prob test it myself

[tardy thunder]

just tested. pearl is correct

n1 hits twice

actually wait what @compact girder both n1 and n2 seem to be hitting twice

did you know this Pearl?

n1 n2 and n3 all hit twice

ok this is exciting

assuming that they properly all count as NA damage then 5 N2C would be 20 yunjin stacks

kekwait yunjin ning actually broken?

[compact girder]

She has no attack string

Its just 1 set of normal attacks

2 attacks

[tardy thunder]

oh i see

[compact girder]

But its always 2 attacks

No matter what happens

[tardy thunder]

so when you said 5n2c did you mean doing NA twice? Or one NA hitting twice?

[compact girder]

NA twice

Thats 4 NAs

[tardy thunder]

ok thats really good then

cuz that means 5n2c are 20 yunjin procs @compact girder

[compact girder]

Yep

[tardy thunder]

that is really really good

now i gotta calc this

[modern blaze]

can you confirm the 2nd proc is actually considered a NA?

the second hit of the N1 i mean

maybe with 2p glad with no atk% vs 4p glad with no atk%, see if the 2nd proc dmg changes

[tardy thunder]

i can throw 4 glad on her and see if they both do the same damage

if both hits do the same damage then it is

[compact girder]

Glad doesnt work on catalysts

[tardy thunder]

oh

SR then

[modern blaze]

oops

[tardy thunder]

they are both doing the same damage @modern blaze

so can confirm

this is exciting

[modern blaze]

oh then it can actually work

[compact girder]

Oh about that

If we do E>5N2C>QE(CA with c6) 4sr can work

If ning gets burst up in those 5N2 Cs

[modern blaze]

4p SR should be good on her considering her burst is cheap and she has her + yunjin's energy to fund it

[signal quartz]

yunjin fav lance

[tardy thunder]

what are all our set options?

SR sounds ideal if we have enough energy

wanna see what else we working with tho

prob not much right

[modern blaze]

2p petra 2p 18% atk and 4p bolide?

[tardy thunder]

the team im gonna calc is ning gorou bennet yunjin

gonna assume that Gorous poise buff is enough to not need a dedicated shielder

[compact girder]

4sr assuming she gets burst fast
2Ap 2Atk or noblesse depends on substats

[compact girder]

Bolide needs a shield

[modern blaze]

if ning's c1 works with yunjin then maybe venti is a good idea, to maximize the splash damage

[compact girder]

Ningguang mob blender

[modern blaze]

yea
obviously you don't use it against ST floors but it is an option

[compact girder]

If st floor fischl is great

[modern blaze]

now that i think about it, yunjin would've been the perfect hakushin holder

[compact girder]

A4 + c6 is gross st dmg with ning

[modern blaze]

yep
i dunno if going for "hyper ning" with gorou + benny is a good idea compared to using other supports

[tardy thunder]

gorou also gives interruption resistance

so he kinda acts as a pseudo shielder too

maybe fischl works instead of gorou but you'd risk being vulnerable to interruption

[modern blaze]

true
well tbf interrupt resist + benny is like being immortal

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder wait so how does scaling on ning AA work? is it say, my t3 ning has 32.2 scaling on her N1. Would it be 32.2 for each hit? or is it like 32.2/2?

its weird that it doesnt say x2 like other multi hits

[modern blaze]

yea that also confused me

i even searched for a vid in youtube just to see her NAs in action
each rock does the same dmg so i think we can assume it works like other multi hit NAs

the thing i don't like about gorou in this comp is that it's mostly only buffing yunjin
ning gets a 15% geo dmg buff which is nice but there are better options imo

[compact girder]

32 x 2

[tardy thunder]

thnx

[compact girder]

Ok apparently 12 seconds is E 5NC2 without QE CA

Idk if its perfect gameplay tho

The E + dash took 2 seconds

Actually does SR expire if you swap off field?

[wheat valley]

Uhh

Video isn't moving @compact girder

[compact girder]

Huh

[balmy remnant]

video is fine for me

[compact girder]

Its moving for me

[wheat valley]

Well

Screw me I guess

It's just stuck. I can still hear the noises.

[brave rune]

Video isn't moving for me either

[balmy remnant]

ctrl + r, refresh discord, or go to another channel and come back to this one

[brave rune]

I'm on mobile lol

[compact girder]

I think it would be worth doing Ning E -> Yun Jin Q/ E whatever -> swap to ning to do 5N2Cs

[balmy remnant]

or it may be a problem that it's a .mov file?

[compact girder]

Ill just send the streamable

Jus focus on the E 5N2C part

[balmy remnant]

yeah, probably android phones can't play .mov files

[compact girder]

https://streamable.com/i3hm51

[modern blaze]

nah you waste too much time with swaps imo
just do yunjin EQ > ning and start attacking

almost all units lose a couple seconds setting up after the swap because they have to cast a skill/burst before they start the NAs

[compact girder]

What about Ning E - Yun jin Q - Ning 5N2Cs

SR buff doesnt expire right?

When swapping

[modern blaze]

why do you want to E first? yunjin doesn't care about snapshotting geo dmg% bonus

or are you trying to funnel ning's energy to her?

[compact girder]

That and so you dont waste time on casting E while yun jin buff is up

Theres also the 12% geo dmg bonus

Its either that or you do Yun jin Q -Ning NENC then 4 N2Cs

[modern blaze]

i dunno
doing ning E > yunjin EQ > ning NAs is an option but i'm not convinced tbh

[compact girder]

No yun jin doesn’t EQ

Just Q

[wheat valley]

E is for counters if you need it.

[compact girder]

Yeah

[modern blaze]

and energy

[wheat valley]

Only 3 with full counter

[compact girder]

Ok but does SR buff expire when you swap

[wheat valley]

No

[modern blaze]

probably not

[wheat valley]

It shouldn't

[compact girder]

Good, sr buff is 15 seconds

[modern blaze]

it's 10s

[compact girder]

So ning has 10-13 seconds to make use of it

[compact girder]

10?..

[modern blaze]

it eats 15 energy but lasts only 10

[compact girder]

Oh hmmm

[modern blaze]

ning's geo dmg buff is also 10s

[tardy thunder]

uhm

idk if i calced this right

cuz i have ning doing over 1m dpr

[compact girder]

Im pretty sure you applied the def mod

Right

[tardy thunder]

yes

[compact girder]

Whats N2

[tardy thunder]

i applied

wrong thing

was supposed to send the file

[compact girder]

What is the N2 x5

[tardy thunder]

5 N2C

[compact girder]

This is xinyan

[tardy thunder]

like you said

omg

why do i keep

sending wrong thing

[compact girder]

Isnt that….10 Normal attacks

Wait no

[tardy thunder]

thats 20

[compact girder]

Its 20

[tardy thunder]

there we go

took long enough to get the right file

[balmy remnant]

bruh you better get some rest today with how much you calced and also flopped with typos and stuff

[tardy thunder]

im not sleepy

[modern blaze]

wait ning N2 is also a multi hit?

[compact girder]

Im confused with N1 being x2 and N2 being x5

[tardy thunder]

she only has one NA in her entire combo

[tardy thunder]

its *4

[compact girder]

But that NA hits twice

[tardy thunder]

if i put *5 its a typo

[tardy thunder]

ya

NA once, 2 hits

[compact girder]

Oh ok

[tardy thunder]

NA twice, 2 more hits

[modern blaze]

so N2C is 4 NA hits and 1 CA hit + jades?

[compact girder]

1.2 million dpr

[tardy thunder]

yes

[compact girder]

Yes

[modern blaze]

oh now it makes sense

[tardy thunder]

this is 85k dps if its correct

[modern blaze]

it looks promising tbh

[tardy thunder]

this is more than Yoi was doing with yunjin with 30 procs and a 3s longer rotation

[compact girder]

Did you see the vid i sent? 85k dps sounds very off

[tardy thunder]

im assuming theres a mistake somewhere

but idk where

do the MVs look correct?

[compact girder]

Prolly ning field time

The Mvs are right

[modern blaze]

before even calculating dps i would make sure everything works first

as in, ning can actually do 5 N2C in 10s or less

because it seems like you have to deploy her E and then dash through it and it eats some time
or you can pre-cast it before yunjin but that means you have to swap more

[compact girder]

So do we E before or after yun jin Q

[tardy thunder]

i assumed before

[compact girder]

Oh thats what i was thinking

[tardy thunder]

E 2N5C Q E CA

[compact girder]

But SR buff will be cut short

[tardy thunder]

is what i did

[compact girder]

Also the c6 CA doesnt have the SR buff

[modern blaze]

yea, you won't have full uptime for 4p SR or her 12% geo dmg% bonus

[compact girder]

Id say maybe 2atk 2petra is better here

[balmy remnant]

5N2C

[compact girder]

Shime can suffocate the rotation

[tardy thunder]

why not full SR up time?

E 2N5C then E again 10s

refresh the buff

[compact girder]

Its 10 seconds and if we E before yun jin Q its gonna be cut

[compact girder]

Ohh

[tardy thunder]

your second E puts the buff back up doesnt it

[modern blaze]

that means you burst first to break the first jade screen

i guess that can work

[compact girder]

But SR drains energy no?

Wait

[modern blaze]

yep

so maybe 4p SR doesn't work

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

So you E 5N2C EE Q CA?

[modern blaze]

it would be something like
ning EQ + c6 CA > yunjin EQ > ning E + 5x NA2C

[compact girder]

Ning cant EQ

Shime drains energy

[tardy thunder]

this only matters for c6 right

but thats what i calced so it important

[compact girder]

Uhh yeah but c6 is a pretty coked constellation

[modern blaze]

if you can't EQ you can't do the E refresh for the yunjin buffed part

[compact girder]

SR is a mess

[modern blaze]

it's kinda funny because the solution for the SR uptime problem is also useless because of the SR drain

[tardy thunder]

if you cant do the E refresh only your CA at the end wont be buffed

i think its still worth

[compact girder]

Hmmm

[tardy thunder]

let me take the buff off the 7 star jade CA

[compact girder]

Can you calc 2atk 2geo and see how it does

[tardy thunder]

cant see it beating SR even with the buff expiring before the final CA but sure

do i need to remove the 18% atk from Q and 2nd E as well?

probably huh

[compact girder]

Why

[tardy thunder]

didnt we establish that Sr will expire?

[compact girder]

The +18% atk is a constant

Only the 50% NA buff expries

[modern blaze]

actually
read the last part
SR can't be refreshed

[tardy thunder]

it cant be refreshed while its already active

if you E after it expires

yes you will get the buff again

otherwise you would never be able to get it more than once

[modern blaze]

yes

but in this scenario you can't really refresh it

[compact girder]

Yeah but will ning get her Q back in time

[modern blaze]

unless you cast the first E very early in the rotation

[tardy thunder]

im just gonna adjust the math to assume SR expires on the Q, 2nd E, and final CA

is that fine?

[compact girder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

bolide might be better if crystalize was strong enough with it

[modern blaze]

or with ZL

[tardy thunder]

but idk if it is even with bolide resonance and gorou

[modern blaze]

instead of gorou

[tardy thunder]

yeah ZL might be better

idk tho

would lose 40% cdmg since i calced a c6 gorou

[modern blaze]

[tardy thunder]

ill calc him instead of gorou after im done adjusting i guess

im still getting over 1.2m @modern blaze @compact girder

it only went down by like 40k

Total DPR: 1,239,750 - was 1,279,750 before

[compact girder]

That….doesnt seem right

[tardy thunder]

you did say 5 N2C right

[compact girder]

How about for 2geo 2atk

[compact girder]

Yes…thats over 10 seconds

[tardy thunder]

dont see any point calcing that tbh

its not gonna beat SR

[compact girder]

Hmm i just wanted to know how much the damage tanks

[tardy thunder]

i have her doing 127k per CA

and 81k on the 7 jade CA that doesnt get SR buffed

with 5 of those 127k CAs per rotation

does that sound correct?

the CAs hitting so fucking hard is why the damage is so high

also im an idiot - i removed the 18% atk from sr on Q and E but that part doesnt expire

[compact girder]

Are you sure this is not her c6 CA

[tardy thunder]

the c6 CA is the 81k one

that isnt buffed by SR

[compact girder]

Wait…

Is 127k per CA?? With the CA + 2 gems ?.

[tardy thunder]

WAIT

i see now

i didnt account for defense on the CA with 3 jades

[compact girder]

LOL what did u do

[tardy thunder]

thats what happened

[compact girder]

OH

[tardy thunder]

missed a step

[compact girder]

lmao

[tardy thunder]

ok let me correct this real quick

very easy fix

[balmy remnant]

i was just about to say lol

[tardy thunder]

maybe i am sleepy

[compact girder]

Go sleep

[balmy remnant]

[compact girder]

I feel like the actual dpr is 900k tho

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder the damage is still godly tho

927k

you were pretty close

[compact girder]

How many seconds is this rotation

[brave rune]

How long is the rot?

[tardy thunder]

that is literally top tier carry dps

[tardy thunder]

not 100% sure

how much field time total do you think Ning takes with this combo?

if she does E 5N2C Q E CA

[modern blaze]

yunjin's A4 is bait turns out her best teams are geo, not rainbow

[tardy thunder]

geo

[compact girder]

About 15 seconds

[tardy thunder]

ah ok so its not gonna be a 15s rotation

[compact girder]

More like 20-23

[tardy thunder]

Bennet is prob like 1.5s Gorou 1.5s and Yunjin 1.5-2s right

[modern blaze]

probably ~20s considering the other characters

[brave rune]

hence why I said before gorou q but ok

[tardy thunder]

no reason for it to be that long

[compact girder]

Oh

Yeah closer to 20 seconds

[tardy thunder]

you did a bad job explaining it okay

[brave rune]

[faint hornet]

Yeah, the difference is minute enough that geo res and Gorou outweigh it.

[balmy remnant]

5N2C, smh this is the third time you've typoed it lmao

[tardy thunder]

wait if this is 15s field time would bennet or gorou expire on her at some point

[tardy thunder]

im becoming dyslexic

from all this calcing

[modern blaze]

oh no you're right

[brave rune]

Go sleep

[compact girder]

How much does yun jin buff ning

[balmy remnant]

Noir is high on Yunjin math

[modern blaze]

maybe replace gorou with ZL (his shield lasts longer) and make sure ning gets to do her burst combo inside benny's burst duration

[tardy thunder]

by 183k dpr - or, 24%

[compact girder]

[tardy thunder]

yeah that might work

[modern blaze]

kinda like a rotation with 2 halves
first half with benny buff does the ning burst + c6 CA, the second half does NAs

[compact girder]

Wineson is asking for the calc

[tardy thunder]

he isnt here?

@alpine mauve

[alpine mauve]

i didnt know this thread existed

[tardy thunder]

all the slaving ive done here

and you didnt know it existed

[alpine mauve]

[tardy thunder]

ive been doing calcs for like 7 hours straight here lol

[alpine mauve]

what am i looking for

[faint hornet]

[tardy thunder]

idk

[alpine mauve]

ive been doing college apps

[tardy thunder]

what are you looking for

[alpine mauve]

not sure i would have had the time even ifi wanted

someone said 927k dpr

[tardy thunder]

ya

[alpine mauve]

where

[faint hornet]

Have you done any calcs comparing Yun Jin's buff on Noelle to just using Fischl or Beidou btw?

[alpine mauve]

text file?

[tardy thunder]

no

[faint hornet]

Like Noelle Gorou Albedo comps.

[tardy thunder]

i do manual math

[alpine mauve]

it might be easier with sheets

probably easier with sheets

[tardy thunder]

im comfortable doing it this way tho

[faint hornet]

Well, you did do Noelle calcs though, right? I'm having trouble searching through the thread. Any way I could get a link to that at least?

[modern blaze]

i did a calc comparing yunjin buff to ZL's shred the other day
tl;dr is yunjin buffs her NAs by ~16% compared to ZL's ~10%

[alpine mauve]

sheets is easier for me to read

[tardy thunder]

i have not

[modern blaze]

it wasn't a complete calc though, just a quick comparison

[faint hornet]

Oh.

I swear I was skimming earlier and saw someone doing Noelle calcs. 😦

But I was busy.

[tardy thunder]

if i replace gorou with ZL should i replace SR with bolide @compact girder

[compact girder]

Yeah id say so

[tardy thunder]

ok

[compact girder]

You have 100% uptime with 40% buff

[tardy thunder]

ill do that rn

[tardy thunder]

and will be able to add the 15% geo resonance damage

which i did not here

[compact girder]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

can prob use totm on Zl too right

since ning has a construct for him

man all this yunjin calcing ive been doing makes me really want ZL

[alpine mauve]

im confused

[tardy thunder]

pretty much every yunjin team ive done wants ZL with her

[alpine mauve]

ning has an n2?

[tardy thunder]

they are such a good duo

[tardy thunder]

no

[alpine mauve]

[tardy thunder]

its doing her NA twice in a row

not an actual N2

[alpine mauve]

oh

[compact girder]

No its 2 Normals

[modern blaze]

not noelle

[alpine mauve]

i guess there's not too good of a way to notate it

maybe besides like NNC

5N1N1C

[modern blaze]

5x 2NC?

[alpine mauve]

that might imply CAing twice

[compact girder]

N1C is unreliable

[modern blaze]

5x (2N)C ?

[compact girder]

It also requires you to hug enemy

[alpine mauve]

doesnt that still imply it

[tardy thunder]

N2C

is that better

[modern blaze]

NNC

[compact girder]

No, its 5 2 normal attack charged combo

[faint hornet]

Which is why you should do Noelle calcs. Noelle Gorou Albedo Yun Jin doesn't need Zhongli. lol

[tardy thunder]

imagine it still wants him

cuz noelle shield up time

[alpine mauve]

she has cdr

[faint hornet]

Her shield uptime is actually fine if she's on-field DPS.

[modern blaze]

^

[alpine mauve]

when she's AAing she reduces her E cd by 1s every 4 autos

[modern blaze]

and yunjin should be able to proc geo res shred fine with her counter

[alpine mauve]

or something like that

[modern blaze]

beidou does

[tardy thunder]

yep

if zl gets rerun i might be tempted to get c1

he seem like a really good sub dps with c1

[modern blaze]

i want ZL c1 too
make the microwave even stronger

[faint hornet]

I'm tempted to get ZL just to do Geo Bros for a more unga Tao experience.

[balmy remnant]

i got C1 by luck when he released

[modern blaze]

ngl noelle yunjin mono geo def scaler seems like a fun comp

with the little nuances like using yunjin E to jumpstart the res shred and then using noelle's shield to animation cancel so you can fit more NAs with yunjin buff

[tardy thunder]

i keep confusing myself

while trying to count how much damage bonus ning will have

[faint hornet]

I'm just thinking Noelle won't get the most benefit out of that comp 'cause her attacks are kinda slow.

[modern blaze]

but they have huge aoe

[faint hornet]

Even if you N3J, still kinda slow.

[tardy thunder]

will depend on how she works with aoe

yunjin that is

[modern blaze]

so even if she can only do 10, if she hits 3 enemies that's enough to consume all of yunjin's buff

[tardy thunder]

problem is that if the aoe isnt giving more damage for each stack consumed from aoe

its just consuming extra stacks at no benefit

[compact girder]

Noir whats the rotation again

[tardy thunder]

im hoping thats not how it works

cuz thats so dumb

[compact girder]

I only know ning’s part

[tardy thunder]

with ZL it should be: ZL E>Bennet E Q> Yunjin E Q> Ning E 5NNC Q E CA

i think

[faint hornet]

Oh my. I didn't even think of that.

[compact girder]

How about the SR one

[tardy thunder]

was same rotation

except gorou instead of ZL

[modern blaze]

If multiple enemies are hit by a single normal attack, the number of activations remaining will be deducted based on the number of enemies hit; the total number of activations is calculated independently for each character that possesses 'Feiyun Flag'.

she should work with noelle

[compact girder]

Gorou E or Q?

[modern blaze]

oh but i see
you mean that the stacks get consumed but no dmg instance is applied? that would be bad

[wheat valley]

It just doesn't scale with AoE

Every AoE skill scales with the number of enemies hit. This is like Beidou.

[faint hornet]

But if damage is applied per stack and not per attack, that'd be OP.

It doesn't seem like it will though, sad.

[compact girder]

Wait noir, was Ning’s whole combo in bennett Q?

[tardy thunder]

yes

[compact girder]

How long is bennett Q

[tardy thunder]

which im not sure it wouldve been realistically

[tardy thunder]

12s and lingers for 2s

so 14s effectively

[compact girder]

Oh

[tardy thunder]

Ning NL Yunjin version

[compact girder]

Yun jin eats up like, 1.5 seconds or so i guess

[tardy thunder]

787k dpr

[tardy thunder]

yunjin is a 21% dps increase here

[compact girder]

Id feel like ning’s c6 CA wouldnt be in bennett Q

Interestingly

[tardy thunder]

will hurt if its not

[compact girder]

I found this in kqm

Ningguang’s E screen snapshots her stats on cast, and with Q use her personal gems will snapshot on Q cast while her screen’s gems will use her screen’s earlier snapshotted stats.

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea what that means

is it like how albedo Q fatal blossoms snapshot his defense at time his E was cast?

while Q cast doesnt?

[compact girder]

Yes

[modern blaze]

exactly
but only for the jade screen rocks

[tardy thunder]

that doesnt apply to her CA tho right

[compact girder]

I think ning can squeeze her C6 CA in bennett buff tho

[compact girder]

No her Ca and Q are different Damage

[tardy thunder]

do you want me to see how much it goes down by if it isnt bennet buffed?

[compact girder]

Sure

Probably 900k to 600k lole

[tardy thunder]

its basically doing the same damage as a regular 3 jade CA now

[tardy thunder]

756k dpr

[solid delta]

this would heavily rely on how much enemies move after getting staggered from his plunges or are they getting throwed to air after getting hit from plunge

[tardy thunder]

true

[compact girder]

Thats…not bad

[tardy thunder]

about 37k dps

let me adjust the gorou version again

[solid delta]

if enemies gets launched to air it would be terrible

[tardy thunder]

to have the 7 jade CA not bennet buffed too

and make sure my damage bonus was correct there

i think i might have had a few mistakes

[solid delta]

half of N1 and possibly N2 could miss the enemy

[wheat valley]

?

Just use her E in the Bennett field

Nothing stopping you.

[compact girder]

Wait a minute

[wheat valley]

You also want to use the second E for the Q

[compact girder]

Does her c6 CA jade snapshot the screen???

[wheat valley]

Because A4/A1 into the Jade.

[wheat valley]

No

[compact girder]

Wait what

[wheat valley]

I'm just wondering why this is a problem if at all

[compact girder]

What problem

[wheat valley]

.

[compact girder]

The dmg?

[wheat valley]

Why are you assuming it drops

[compact girder]

Uh….because her c6 CA will have less Dmg without bennett buff

[wheat valley]

But why wouldn't it be in the Bennett field

[compact girder]

Maybe field would expire before she gets the CA off

[wheat valley]

The buff lingers

[compact girder]

OH i forgot it does

[tardy thunder]

i literally just told you that

so should i put bennet buff back on the final CA?

or leave it off?

[compact girder]

I thought the field lingered not the buff

[tardy thunder]

why would the field linger without the buff

ill put the buff back up then ya?

the field disappears but the buff lingers for 2s after that

because bennets buff actually lasts 2s

but gets constantly refreshed in his field

[compact girder]

Yeah its 900k dpr with it

[tardy thunder]

im gonna put it back on back take NO off

for the final CA

ok i updated both versions fixed some mistakes @compact girder

[compact girder]

Nice nice

[tardy thunder]

Gorou version is doing 869k dpr

ZL Version is doing 756k

[compact girder]

Ah still good then i assume

[tardy thunder]

so gorou version is 14% better

but it is a c6 gorou tbf

lmk if anything still looks sus

[compact girder]

Nah it looks good, though im not sure how it compares to other carry ning comps

[tardy thunder]

Neither am I

I’m assuming this is easily the best version for her own personal dps

But team dps who knows

[compact girder]

Wait is 870k dpr just ning dmg?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

That’s just her own personal damage

Not counting Yunjin or Gorou or bennet

Also kekwait I just thought of something

If Gorou damage isn’t worth much we could possibly use EM Gorou

For shield

[compact girder]

How much em can he reach

[tardy thunder]

Uhm

[tardy thunder]

Triple EM artifacts plus instructors would be 761

Assuming 0 EM subs

[compact girder]

How much does that buff crystallize by

[tardy thunder]

No idea

I don’t have the formula on me

[compact girder]

Can gorou consistently generate the shields

[tardy thunder]

But you could have all that EM plus his defense plus geo resonance plus bolide

And Ning c4 buffs your elemental resistances

I think that would be plenty enough

Let me slap em artifacts on someone see how much it says it buff them by

[tardy thunder]

You only have bennet for aura he’s 2U tho so Yunjin shouldn’t deplete it right

[compact girder]

Do we know her gauge

[tardy thunder]

Not sure how reliably you’d be able to ensure your crystal was created by him

[tardy thunder]

No

[compact girder]

If she has beidous gauge then wont she clear it

Beidou has 4U on Q cast

[tardy thunder]

It prob doesn’t make much of a difference anyway so prob not worth thinking too hard about

[tardy thunder]

I doubt she will have 4U geo

Beidou is the only 4U in the entire game iirc

[compact girder]

Shes not zhong anyways

[compact girder]

Zhong Q

[tardy thunder]

Oh

Didn’t know that was 4U

[tardy thunder]

Just checked 759 EM the pile be 156% extra shield strength

[compact girder]

No idea how strong crystallize shields would be with that though

[tardy thunder]

With that, level 90, and 80% shield strength, about 8529 hp

[compact girder]

[tawny spoke]

Whats the full rotation for this one?

[nova tangle]

does anyone know the damage from 30 ticks of yunjin's thingy at 80/90 lvl9 talent def def def 4 def% subs 4 hood max stacks no gorou no geo resonance on lvl 90 10% res enemy?

i did a quick skim of chat and i didnt see a sheet

the reason im asking for this is just so that i know a baseline of what to expect from her if theres a character found that can drive her to do max ticks

[odd lotus]

yunjin doesn’t do tick damage, the 30 stacks are for the buff

[nova tangle]

ah

isnt the buff a constant tho

or does it scale off of the attack character's stats too

[grizzled schooner]

Crit and dmg% iirc

[odd lotus]

It works like shenhe Equation is:
(Base attack * attack%+yunjin buff) critdmg%

And then resistance and stuff obv

[tardy thunder]

Idea was: Gorou E Q > Bennet E Q > Yunjin E Q > Ning 5NNC E Q CA

I’m gonna see how much the damage changes if Gorou isn’t c6

See if he’s still an upgrade over zhong

Anyone have any other Yunjin ideas for me to calc?

[tawdry lava]

did somebody calc noelle with yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

Don’t think anyone has yet

I don’t mind doing it

But I need to know a rotation

And rotation time

And how many NAs she does under Yunjin buff

[faint hornet]

Doesn't the number of NAs depend on if C6 Yun Jin or not too?

[radiant wagon]

have you done physchl?

rr cancel fischl might be overkill after c1 tbh

[tardy thunder]

@odd lotus has

[tardy thunder]

Oh that I calced

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[odd lotus]

No?

[tardy thunder]

You haven’t done physical Yunjin

?

[odd lotus]

They said physchl

[tardy thunder]

Ohhh

[tiny tide]

Phys fischl

[tardy thunder]

My bad lol

I did phys fischl

its not super impressive

but like, its phys fischl

[faint hornet]

Why not build phys DPS Gorou with Yun Jun instead?

[tardy thunder]

gorou doesnt have any multi hits

fischl has 2 hits on every single NA with c1

[faint hornet]

Oh.

[tardy thunder]

Vape Yoi Yunjin doesn’t look worth over PP

Unless switching to an n5 chain over n4 would make a significant difference

[radiant wagon]

wait

nvm

[lofty karma]

Yunjin tao?

[compact girder]

Xiao

[lofty karma]

Well

[lofty karma]

He already did that one

[compact girder]

Oh really? I missed it

51% percent holy shit

[tardy thunder]

to be fair tho i have no idea how it compares to your typical xiao team

[tardy thunder]

hu tao chongyun yunjin xinqiu?

[lofty karma]

Yep

[tardy thunder]

what attack string

and how many attack strings under yunjin buff

how many not

[lofty karma]

N3cj

Assuming c0 Tao with deathmatch or r1 dragons bane

C2 max on any other 4*s

[tardy thunder]

how many combos would be under Yunjin buff?

[lofty karma]

And see how it compares to other f2p teams

4 I think?
But I don't do n3c or jump cancels on tao, so I don't know the timings there by heart

[tardy thunder]

which hits vape?

also pog thats 4 elements for yunjin

[lofty karma]

And certainly not with Chong speed change

It's also 4 chars for lithic if that matters

Kekw

[tardy thunder]

lithic chongers

hmm i can actually simulate this with HT Chong

[lofty karma]

What is the f2p tao team now anyways?

Sucrose tohma?

[tardy thunder]

since chongyun E lasts on field for 10s

can assume that chongyun field leaving is equivalent to yunjin expiring

makes this simulatable