Yunjin Thread

[hollow frost]

Serious theorycrafting related talks regarding Yunjin only.

[wheat valley]

Pog

[tardy thunder]

Hi

Thank you Sitri

Appreciate it

Okay, so

Yunjin weapons looking like DM or fav lance

Right

[worn saffron]

Okay so she's ER based? How long does her buff last?

[tardy thunder]

She’s defense based

Only needs ER to ult off CD

[worn saffron]

I mean her ascension stat sorry

[wheat valley]

I think rn her best candidates for drivers are Yoimiya and Zhongli. @tardy thunder

[worn saffron]

That's her ascension stat, ER

[gaunt wind]

for reference

[brave rune]

Do you think she would be good for Koko?

[wheat valley]

Does the Catch affect her bonus though

[wheat valley]

That's the question

[tardy thunder]

Her buff lasts 10 seconds

[gaunt wind]

and 30 hits

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

[wheat valley]

Probably not

Nvm.

[worn saffron]

Is 30 hits enough for yoi?

[wheat valley]

Anyway, who gets even close to 30 hits

That's 3 hits per second

[tardy thunder]

Zhongli and Xianling probably

Idk if yoi can?

[wheat valley]

Zhongli with Sky Spine+Chongyun?

[gaunt wind]

multiple enemies hit by a single swing count each

[wheat valley]

Or maybe just Sky Spine

[tardy thunder]

Please no

[gaunt wind]

so a single claymore hit can be 3-5

[tardy thunder]

That’s bad

That’s not a good thing

You don’t want to run out of procs to use

[gaunt wind]

sadly

but this is clear

[worn saffron]

So at c6 she gives

68.34 of her def + 31.5 percent NA damage

Plus 12 percent attack spent

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[wheat valley]

Hmm so

[tardy thunder]

Oh well

[gaunt wind]

it's the same for shenhe

[wheat valley]

In AoE,

[tardy thunder]

Prob rarely comes into play

[wheat valley]

If we assume 3 enemies,

[gaunt wind]

but Shenhe has her C6 to fix that

[wheat valley]

10 hits in 10 seconds.

Claymores are bigger AoE but slower.

[tardy thunder]

Let’s be real no one is hitting that many enemies with their NAs tho

[wheat valley]

Ok that's reasonable

[tardy thunder]

Except Noelle

[wheat valley]

Hmmm.

So Noelle is actually fine as a driver.

[tardy thunder]

Wait

Actually

Hitting multiple enemies is good thing

I’m dumb

Lol

So if you hit multiple enemies you get the effect times amount of enemies

Right?

If that’s the case then Noelle to the moon

[wheat valley]

Wait

I don't think that's how it works,

[tardy thunder]

But if it just take stacks with no extra damage

That’s bad

[wheat valley]

At least, I don't think so?

[tardy thunder]

[wheat valley]

Need more showcases

On enemies

[tardy thunder]

Yeah I’m a bit confused

[gaunt wind]

if it takes multiple stacks it should also procc the dmg on each of them otherwise it would be arse

[worn saffron]

Okay so this is gonna be good for less enemies since the Damage is concentrated but for moba seems like it's limited

But I guess that's why she has er weapons on

[gaunt wind]

But from this phrasing I would assume that the bonus damage is not individual dmg

[tardy thunder]

The AoE concern really comes into play only for Noelle honestly

[worn saffron]

Since you're gonna want 100 percent uptime on her

[tardy thunder]

How many NAs does Noelle get per ult

[gaunt wind]

but rather just a buff like bennet Q

[tardy thunder]

I’m glad her ult cost is only 60

And not 80

[gaunt wind]

well we wwill have to wait and see for her particle generation

how many particles does Beidou generate?

[tardy thunder]

If she’s on a triple to mono geo team she should be fine

[compact girder]

2-4 depending on counter lvl

[gaunt wind]

mhh workable

considering she also gets ER from ascension

[tardy thunder]

I think she might be fine to not use Er weapon or sands

Lemme see how much defense she can get with triple defense and 4 husk and DM

I’ll throw in c4 too cuz why not

Oh shit her base is pretty high

734

Decent

With an r3 DM and triple defense plus husk assuming 0 defense subs and a t12 Gorou on team, her at c4 she would hit 3368 defense

If I counted correct

Wish she was sword to use cinnabar ngl

If the numbers shown on honey are correct, with the setup I have above and on a triple geo Noelle 1 element team, she would provide a 2330 flat damage buff to each NA

How many NAs does Noelle do in a 10s window

[random cloud]

And that is still without the 20% NA buff and attack speed on C2 and C6 respectively

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[wheat valley]

Go test

[tardy thunder]

I’m busy

[modern blaze]

10s should be around 12 NAs, looking at the frame data sheet

[compact girder]

Hmmm... Noelle is is serious danger of running out of charges then.

[tardy thunder]

So in my specific scenario that would be 27k more flat damage before any multipliers

[balmy remnant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y6ZVgsNAX3t06sF1mEkWLeifOpfXSY734D2vfPZqy3Y/edit?usp=sharing

smh idk why this one shows up like this but the shenhe one says what it is

[worn saffron]

C0? Or c4?

[tardy thunder]

I assumed c4 Yunjin with a t12 Gorou

T12 Yunjin

[worn saffron]

Okay okay so seems like I can say that on c0 that's like, 40 percent of what you calculated to be safe?

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea

[tawdry lava]

her buff only applies to NAs?

[vale furnace]

Seems so

[spark vector]

yun jin-yoi? curious about that

[radiant wagon]

probably

yun jins a nice partner for yoimiya

extra dmg per na

with cons up an extra max of 20% na dmg and 12% atkspd

[modern blaze]

i'm almost certain she isn't a shielder
her shield skill info doesn't list a shield duration, just like beidou's counter

[radiant wagon]

oh wait yeah let me rewatch the vid

oops yeah

[tardy thunder]

Yeah she’s not a shielder

Just a parrry like beidou

[balmy remnant]

if you don't perfect parry, charging to level 2 takes like 1.3/1.4 seconds

[hearty thunder]

That's pretty fast

Right?

[tardy thunder]

Not sure

[balmy remnant]

not sure about what? i'm just saying a perfect parry saves you that much time lol, because it doesn't work exactly like beidou's counter where you have to get hit twice

[tardy thunder]

Oh lol

Anyway here’s my new idea

Yunjin Xianling bennet c6 Kazuha

Basically Xianling is on field here

AA spamming like Pikeling

Except doing pyro damage cuz bennet c6

[ocean nacelle]

does anybody have any idea about the duration of her shield ??

[tardy thunder]

And Yunjin is working like Pike on crack for her

[tardy thunder]

Doesn’t have one

[ocean nacelle]

ohhh

a 9 second cooldown is very nice, i was worrying her cd would end up like noelle

[tardy thunder]

Yeah and it’s 7s cooldown with c1

[ocean nacelle]

that's super nice

i hope she becomes better than the curent 4 star shielders

i want to c6 her so bad

[tame tree]

she is not a shielder

[ocean nacelle]

huh

doesn't her skill create a shield

[tame tree]

no

its like Beidou E

[ocean nacelle]

ah i see

it's kinda weird then

[gray river]

how good is yunjin's Q buff compared to sara and bennett?

[balmy remnant]

it's not even the same type of buff

[gilded pine]

are we sure its for normal atks only?

[radiant wagon]

this is kinda dumb but pure pyro yunjin

[gilded pine]

why cant it buff plunges too

[ocean nacelle]

will c6 yunjin be viable for dps kokomi?

since c6 buffs attack speed right

[gilded pine]

prety sure everyone who uses normal atk will be fine.

[ocean nacelle]

ahh thanks

[gilded pine]

since she promotes rainbow teams as well

[ocean nacelle]

yeah good thing she isn't restricted to mono geo

[radiant wagon]

i hope yunjins particle gen is good, don't want to minmax er% or use an er sands lol

[ocean nacelle]

i think i'll buy deathmatch for her

the def passive is good on her

[radiant wagon]

meme team idea:
qiqi beidou yunjin raiden
raiden funds beidou + qiqi
bubble/phys qiqi drives beidou + yunjin

[harsh slate]

Raiden in Q is it considered NA?

[radiant wagon]

i think yunjin's def na works like beidou's q triggering

i think raiden q counts as normal attacks dealing burst dmg so i dont think yunjin works with her (should be the same situation as raiden q not working with beidou q)

[chilly rampart]

i think its same as crescent pike

[timid portal]

raiden Q is NA movement but burst dmg

so it shouldnt work with raiden

[tardy thunder]

math for pure pyro xianling yunjin team - one with husk on yunjin, the other with petra on yunjin

yunjin damage here is really low with her being solo geo and no gorou buffing her so petra seems more worthwhile, its about a 9% dps increase to xianling to have petra

downside being that its petra

[abstract gyro]

What about rosaria instead of kazuha

[tardy thunder]

tldr for the petra version: Damage Totals:
12x pyronado spins+3 initial
^(23,33612)+56,151=388,246
Guoba: 25,062 * 4 = 107,104
N44 + (Yunjin individual proc30) = (38,9044) + (5972*30) = 372,818

Total DPR: 868,168

Damage share:
NAs: 42.9%
Guoba: 12.3%
Pyronado: 44.7%

868k XL

she finally a hyper

[radiant wagon]

i hope bennett c6 kazuha refers to bennett being c6

[timid portal]

[tardy thunder]

she doing like 81% of the team dps there

guestimated

[radiant wagon]

hyper pp xiangling

[tardy thunder]

[abstract gyro]

Petra can only buff one element right?

[tardy thunder]

correct

i wish they would change it to buff geo too

[abstract gyro]

Sad

[tardy thunder]

[abstract gyro]

Would be dope if you could buff both xiangling and rosaria

[tardy thunder]

No space

[abstract gyro]

Only in aoe

But yea prob not worth the field time in single target

[oblique thorn]

Is Yunjin Q 30 stacks spread between all characters?

Or whoever triggering the normal

[tardy thunder]

Not sure

Btw guys

Fischl c1

Is NA damage

Phys fischl time???

[radiant wagon]

huh

[wheat valley]

Fischl Yunjin Rosaria?

Fischl Yunjin Rosaria Xingqiu

4 elements, SC, Driver.

But problem is

Would you use Fischl E or not

@tardy thunder wait, Childe?

[ocean nacelle]

yunjin's animations confuse me, are the rotating flags her skill or her burst ??

is it her burst ?? because in the video, it works off field

[radiant wagon]

her skills the parry+slash, her flags the burst that works off field

[ocean nacelle]

thanks for the clarification

[tardy thunder]

Why

[tardy thunder]

Healer

[wheat valley]

Riptide Flash and Burst

[wheat valley]

Crystallize+XQ

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin doesn’t spam geo damage for that

[wheat valley]

You're right

[tardy thunder]

Fischl Rosaria bennet Yunjin

[wheat valley]

Still funny

[tardy thunder]

Maybe?

I dont know how it would work tho

Do you summon Oz at all?

[radiant wagon]

xingqiu swapped for kokomi

[tardy thunder]

I’m not familiar with auto fischl at all

[wheat valley]

Usually

Physical Fischl always uses E

Despite C1. For C6.

[tardy thunder]

If you use E you aren’t getting c1

Which defeats the entire idea of c1 triggering Yunjin

In which case why is fischl even on the field

[wheat valley]

Yoimiya c6?

[tardy thunder]

I don’t know what that is

||or care||

[wheat valley]

50% chance for extra NA that does a portion of NA damage.

[tardy thunder]

Imagine if that was base kit

[oblique thorn]

@tardy thunder what's your single Yunjin tick/proc/buff calc?

[tardy thunder]

5972

[oblique thorn]

so far Yoi and Noelle looks like the best Yunjin user?

and maybe pike XL?

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Not pike XL. Xianling on field with c6 bennet

[oblique thorn]

oh ok

[tardy thunder]

I posted my math for this above

Can find it if you scroll up a bit

[oblique thorn]

yeah i saw but i have txt allergy

sorry

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin increased XL damage by about 30%

868k XL dpr

[oblique thorn]

how many procs in your XL rotation?

Yunjin Q procs

[tardy thunder]

30

[oblique thorn]

that's a lot

4N4?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

N4 is 8 hits

[oblique thorn]

ok

[wheat valley]

Kazuha might not be half bad. The problem I'm starting to see is that she wants c6 5 stars.

[tardy thunder]

Xianling isn’t a 5 star

[radiant wagon]

i thought bennett c6 kaz meant bennett c6

[tardy thunder]

It does

[wheat valley]

Hmmmm.

Bennett Kazuha Yunjin + Lisa?

With Lisa EM

[tardy thunder]

[oblique thorn]

any frame count on Yunjin?

[wheat valley]

[tardy thunder]

What is that

[oblique thorn]

how good is her normals

[tardy thunder]

@balmy remnant has

[oblique thorn]

okay let me scroll

[tardy thunder]

They look decent

[tardy thunder]

Dunno if he posted them here

He posted them before this sub channel was made

In regular TC channel

[balmy remnant]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y6ZVgsNAX3t06sF1mEkWLeifOpfXSY734D2vfPZqy3Y/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy thunder]

[oblique thorn]

aaayyy

[radiant wagon]

yunjin n1c probably wont be optimal but itll look] nice

[tardy thunder]

She prob wants to go to n4 ya?

For the multi hit

[oblique thorn]

driver Yunjin

i kinda like she looks/plays but idk how good it is vs Noelle or other drivers

and using her own Q

her MVs are pretty average

[compact girder]

I think it would be slightly above average

With Q buff

[tardy thunder]

Btw how many extra attacks do we think Yoimiya will get with a c6 yuniin?

I’ve heard atk speed broken on Yoi but idk how broken we talking

[compact girder]

She has no hitlag

[oblique thorn]

u dont include anything for normal MV/s to see how good it is

[wheat valley]

12% Attack Speed is 12% DPS increase

[compact girder]

So its

[tardy thunder]

Ah simple enough

[compact girder]

Oh

[wheat valley]

What's not simple

[compact girder]

If driver yunjin wont be a thing then counter yunjin will be

[wheat valley]

Is how Yoi c6 would interact

[compact girder]

[tardy thunder]

So her c6 is 12% dps increase, plus extra fischl c6 and a4 procs, plus however much Yunjin is buffing by, plus Petra

That should be really good

[wheat valley]

Because you're firing more arrows and are more likely to trigger c6.

[oblique thorn]

C6 Yoi

wish I have C6 Yoi

[radiant wagon]

c6 yoi c6 fisch c6 yunjin gaming

[wheat valley]

Edison has c6 You but he's not here

[tardy thunder]

But is still good for a non c6 yoi right

[oblique thorn]

has anyone compared Albedo vs Yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

Need someone to calc it

[radiant wagon]

in what team?

[oblique thorn]

any team

Yunjin is kind of around 200k DPR?

[compact girder]

Def def def?

[oblique thorn]

and maybe abit more maxed out?

[compact girder]

[oblique thorn]

just based on Noir's Q proc

[compact girder]

Oh

[oblique thorn]

30 * 6k procs = 180k from Q alone

[tardy thunder]

For Yoi Yunjin c6 12% dps increase, extra fischl procs even more dps increase, Petra even more dps increase, and then you have however much damage her buff adds to Yoi

Sounds really good

[tardy thunder]

And Petra added like 76k to XL as well

[compact girder]

Kinda sad koko wont make full use of her

[tardy thunder]

Why not?

[compact girder]

Since her Q pretty much would make use of crit/dmg

Its the largest multiplier for it no?

[oblique thorn]

hmmm thinking of it Albedo and Yunjin might get quite close

Yunjin Q is on 15s and if u refresh it on CD

that's another 30 stacks

[tardy thunder]

If you use Petra on albedo he lose a lot of his own damage

[compact girder]

Would 20k counters be possible on full def no gorou?

[compact girder]

Oh thats sad

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[compact girder]

Might t12 her E and Q if so

I hope it generates as much particles as beidou

[tardy thunder]

I hope it’s more

[ocean nacelle]

what's the best weapon for dps yunjin ??

[compact girder]

DM

[tardy thunder]

Oh also if I crown Xianling AA in my calcs Yunjin value will go up further

[compact girder]

Pretty much anything works for her tbh

[ocean nacelle]

oooh thanks, for the supports, who would she need the most?

[tardy thunder]

The higher your AA talent level the more valuable Yunjin

[compact girder]

Well she kinda is the support i guess

I dont know how mdps yun jin would go

[ocean nacelle]

yeah, but bennett and gorou still works right ??

[compact girder]

Not bennett i think

[ocean nacelle]

ohh

how about totm kokomi

[compact girder]

She doesnt use atk

[ocean nacelle]

ohh so defense for everything

[compact girder]

I dont know if main dps yunjin goes phys or geo actually

[compact girder]

Yes

Stack a lot of def on her

[ocean nacelle]

idk i'll just put her on a team full of pretty people 🥲🥲🥲

[ocean nacelle]

is the new set good for her ??

[compact girder]

I think so ?

Noir are you here

[ocean nacelle]

it increases def and geo dmg bonus based on the stacks you have i think

if only she was a sword user TOT cinnabar spindle would be good

[wheat valley]

Per 15 seconds, right?

Since Q is 15 60

So that's about 13k DPS

[compact girder]

From yun jin Q buff alone?

That damage counts as her damage??? Or is it the onfield attacker’s

[tardy thunder]

Attackers

[compact girder]

So whats the 13k dps then

[timid portal]

how is her a4 calculated btw?

[compact girder]

We assume additive

[brave rune]

[timid portal]

what are her stats for this btw

[oblique thorn]

yep, just mental math, please ignore, but i will be surprised if Yunjin goes over 300k

[wheat valley]

Yeah I don't think she will

[compact girder]

Anything new?

[radiant wagon]

adventure food refers to stamina right

[oblique thorn]

so if I skip Shenhe Yunjin, i should pull Albedo

[wheat valley]

Or

You can go Albedo Gorou Yunjin

[oblique thorn]

no, reason i want another Geo at all is for Noelle double Geo comp

[compact girder]

Mine is for ning

Has anyone done yun jin’s AA damage with her own Q buff on triple def?

I wanna see

[oblique thorn]

but ig if you get Yunjin for free...

[timid portal]

if we're goin all def on her, how's her E gonna do big dmg unless im missing somethinf vital

e

[ocean nacelle]

the absorption is based off hp, the dmg is based off def

[timid portal]

ik

[ocean nacelle]

yeah so it's still gonna do big dmg

[lusty cave]

I think the question is how she's going to do big damage without geo damage/crit--

[timid portal]

oh wait nvm thats why

[ocean nacelle]

ahh i see

u can get crit from substats i guess, maybe use deathmatch too so balancing becomes easier

[compact girder]

Is there a possibility that Yun Jin additive attacks scale off her own crit too?

[grizzled schooner]

Anyone done the math on how much damage yunjin will do per charge 2 e?

[compact girder]

Noir has done napkin math, with c6 gorou and triple def she can do 42k

[grizzled schooner]

Is triple her bis?

Or is it def/geo/crit

[compact girder]

Triple rn

[grizzled schooner]

She doesn’t need to crit?

[compact girder]

Not really but looking for crit subs are good

[grizzled schooner]

I see

What the weapons that are currently recommended

[compact girder]

Deathmatch and Favonius

No idea about 5* weapons

[grizzled schooner]

Ight

Ty

[gilded pine]

will noelle gorou yunji be top tier?

[grizzled schooner]

Will yunjin’s ult work with raiden?

[dark schooner]

So how exactly burst gonna work? Is it just flat amount on top, like if it gives 1k, noelle will be hitting 15k instead of 14k with each hit?

[peak gust]

Most likely not

[grizzled schooner]

Well that sucks

[grizzled schooner]

Says bonus damage so im guessing that’s the case

[compact girder]

Are we sure yun jin Q is additive scaling and not separate damage?

[dark schooner]

Oh, kinda boring if so, but imma still wait and see its gonna turn out

[dark schooner]

I guess it would say "deals geo damage" if it was like albedo e

[grizzled schooner]

“Bonus damage based on def” im guessing its additive

[dark schooner]

Hmm "bonus damage will be dealt" may also work smth like crescent pike

[hearty thunder]

i feel like it is actually separate as it is somewhat the same as pike

[compact girder]

Pike is

After picking up an Elemental Orb/Particle, Normal and Charged Attacks deal an additional 20% ATK as DMG for 5s.

[hearty thunder]

and also it is bonus dmg rather than increases dmg

[compact girder]

Do we have any mentions of “bonus damage” in genshin?

[hearty thunder]

none so far

[grizzled schooner]

I feel like I remember it being mentioned on an electro char

[dark schooner]

Fischl constellations?

[hearty thunder]

tried to find descriptions that can fit yalls description of additional mv, but they had "increasing dmg" as descriptions, such as spindle, moonglow, and redhorn

[grizzled schooner]

Don’t remember but I’ll search later

[dark schooner]

I just did and it says "performs joint attack", so nvm

[grizzled schooner]

Rip

[hearty thunder]

we can assume that it is the same as shenhe's though

which is additional mv

they also have the same mechanic of stack consumption

[dark schooner]

Oh right, zl has "deals bonus dmg"

[compact girder]

OHHHH

[dark schooner]

And its one instance of damage iirc

[compact girder]

Wait what

Im confused

[hearty thunder]

it is flat then

[dark schooner]

I don't really remember, but its one number for zl attacks, no?

[hearty thunder]

additional mv i mean

[dark schooner]

prob, im dumb and dunno what it means

[sinful marten]

Is dmg bonus going to be phys? Geo? Something else?

[hearty thunder]

additional mv as in flat dmg bonus
we have og formula which is
(total atkmult)(1+dmg bonuses)(1+critdmg if crit)(enemy def mult)(enemy res mult)
add additional mv, it will be
(total atkmult + *additional mv mult scaling)(1+dmg bonuses)(1+critdmg if crit)(enemy def mult)(enemy res mult)

[dark schooner]

Oh, so its gonna be counted before calculating crits/buff?

[compact girder]

Can i make someone calculate stuff for main dps yun jin

[drifting moss]

will they change yun jin's burst to also affect charge attacks? e.g. itto's charge attacks

[compact girder]

I doubt it

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder so we know her particles now

And it's on the higher end if you can parry at C1

Kinda similar to Beidou

The question is if it's worth it to swap to her.

Her E CD is 7.38 at C1.

She also wants her driver to have a ton of Dmg% if I'm thinking about this right.

[grizzled schooner]

So it’s just a flat dmg increase?

[ocean nacelle]

is 2/3 particles from the skill enough ??

[dark schooner]

You can check other values and decide for yourself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G05DxDSjtBzj4PZtVjGRA4ATq76HPZa6e4kHVWS6mrA/edit?usp=sharing

[shy night]

Should I focus on defence pieces for Yun Jin?

She seems based on defense

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder
Yunjin: Gives Bonus for Kazuha's NAs, can Petra, can swap on field to parry, doesn't interfere with freeze otherwise.
Chongyun: Cryo infusion, CDR in general, most of his damage condensed into E+Q.
Kazuha: Has a lot of Dmg Bonus, can carry VV, has fairly fast normal attacks, fairly swap flexible.
XQ: Q is dynamic, is Hydro, gives DR, low field time requirement.

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[tardy thunder]

Calc it

[wheat valley]

[tardy thunder]

I’m gonna be out of town for the weekend

I would calc if I wasn’t

[wheat valley]

I'll leave the calcing to other peeps who are better at math. Let's just keep it as a concept for now.

This team also has 15%DR from Canopy and Interruption Resistance from XQ.

Chongyun's infusion lasts 13 seconds in total so you could Chongyun E into Yunjin E Q and still get maximum infusion uptime.
Problems I could see are desync happening due to XQ.

But the team is fairly flexible in regards to most things.

[tardy thunder]

And XQ DR

Also for the Xianling Yunjin bennet (c6) Kazuha team do you guys think zhong has any chance at being on par with Kazuha here

He have less shred but can hold Petra and let Yunjin hold 4 HooD, while also providing geo resonance and in turn allowing Yunjin to do a lot more damage

[wheat valley]

Not, really? He's pretty fast at driving but so is Kazuha.

[tardy thunder]

XL is driver here

[wheat valley]

Hmmm

[hearty thunder]

That's the assumption so far

[tardy thunder]

It’s on field AA Xianling

[hearty thunder]

Yes

[wheat valley]

I think you'll want Kazuha more

But maybe it depends on comfort.

With Kazuha you have no IR

[tardy thunder]

Maybe if he has team to drop a fat meatball without it being a dps loss

Yeah if nothing else shield should give comfort

[wheat valley]

But then again,

[compact girder]

Wonder what yun jin dpr is there

[wheat valley]

Yunjin has a ton of DEF and her own parry+crystallize

[tardy thunder]

She won’t be producing a lot of crystals

And her defense doesn’t matter to xianlings shield strength

[wheat valley]

She'll make two at least.

Oh wait

I keep forgetting

Xiangling driver

[tardy thunder]

||run vortex vanquisher Xianling||

[wheat valley]

[tardy thunder]

Do you think we could fit in a bennet buffer Zhongli Q without hurting XL buff uptime or it being a dps loss?

If we can I can see him being on par with Kazuha for sure

[wheat valley]

It's 2 seconds at the very least

[tardy thunder]

Something like: Bennet E Q > Zhongli E Q > Yunjin E Q > Xianling E Q N4 * 4

[wheat valley]

And Zhongli can output good DPR but you need a 5 star polearm and pretty decent investment.

[tardy thunder]

What about just using a wave breaker for non 5 star havers

[wheat valley]

That works too but wavebreaker is less value from Bennett in comparison.

[tardy thunder]

Not many better options

Catch if he needs ER

But I doubt he would with Yunjin there

[wheat valley]

Deathmatch ig

[tardy thunder]

Yunjin wants that

[dark schooner]

Oh, this way it looks slightly better yea

[tardy thunder]

It’s her BiS unless lance better

If she uses lance here zhong can use dm I guess

Would prob have to use a CR hat for lance tho

But you have plenty enough defense already with husk and circlet plus goblet I guess

[wheat valley]

Man

If only we had a Geo infusion support

[compact girder]

Noir you still have yunjin’s Q buffs assuming def def def right

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

Speaking of I need to change her Cast Q calc

I used her defense for it

And not attack

[compact girder]

Hmmm

Can i have it

[tardy thunder]

Scroll up a bit or search my messages in this sub channel

You’ll see it

[compact girder]

Hmm. Around 2k procs

[tardy thunder]

I had like 5.9k for each

[compact girder]

Really?

I wonder how onfield yun would do then

[tiny tide]

Might be nice as she can then counter when she needs

[compact girder]

Yeah i think so too

Sac spear would make her pretty nuts tbh

You can just go full def crit subs

[tardy thunder]

I think it should do well in a driver comp

Like your typical driver beidou fischl comp

[compact girder]

Hmm

My beidou and fischl are occupied

Maybe subdps yun jin is dawei

[tardy thunder]

Ran the numbers for if we were to use zhongli instead of kazuha

its about 8% less damage on xianling than the kazuha version

aka about 67k damage

So Zhongli personal damage plus the extra damage yunjin would do with him would need to be equal to or greater than that for him to be on par/better than kazuha here

gonna see how much damage Yunjin is looking at with him in

[compact girder]

Tryna figure out yun jin’s personal onfield dmg rn

Q per hit: (2053 x .7334) x 1 x 2.125 x 0.9 x 0.5 = 1,440
NA1-5: (1059 x 4.97) x 1 x 2.125 x 0.9 x 0.5 = 5,033
NA1-5 + Q: 5033 + (1440 x 7) = 15,113
Fully Charged E: (2053 x 7.922) x 1.586 x 2.125 x 0.9 x 0.5 = 34,666
Q Activation: (1059 x 5.185) x 1.586 x 2.125 x 0.9 x 0.5 = 8,328
If we assume that in 15 seconds you get off Q Activation, NA1-5 + Q x 3, and Fully Charged E x 2, then the total per 15 seconds is:
8,328 + (15,113 x 3) + (24,666 x 2) = 102,999
Which is 6,866 DMG/sec.
Could probably get closer to like, 3.5x NA1-5+Q, which would make it closer to 7,370 DMG/sec.

@/Golden Man’s calcs

Assumptions were def geo crit 4 HooD 75:150 cr with DM

Oh and this is a 15 second rotation

Btw

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TI2cR5V6wfUR1WUN_GuiAs7M8Vjat9Ce_e7FtZTY1YA/edit?usp=sharing

Yun jin frames

[tardy thunder]

ill take a look at those numbers in a sec

heres my yunjin calcs for her in the xianling team

ill calc her with def/geo/def in a few days

dont have enough time rn i dont thinl

bout to get on a flight

[compact girder]

Goodluck

[tardy thunder]

tldr

triple defense dmg w/o zhong was: 21,812 Q, 26,873 E
With Zhong: 22,910 Q, 38,492 E

DEF/GEO/CRIT without zhong: 20,660 Q, 31,555 E
With Zhong: 30,228 Q, 43,865 E

[compact girder]

Oh wow 43k E in one hit?

Or is that dpr

[tardy thunder]

triple defense build if zhong is there shes doing about 65k per rotation assuming 1 perfect counter per rotation. without him shes doing about 48,685

[tardy thunder]

thats average damage per E

the crit is higher than that

[compact girder]

Ohhh

[tardy thunder]

the non crit is lower than that

[compact girder]

Oh wow

[tardy thunder]

zhongli helped her damage quite a bit

[compact girder]

Dont have zhong so ill have to cope with double geo ningguang w rosaria

Might actually consider building bennett for this now

[tardy thunder]

with defense geo crit she's at about 52k dpr without zhongli, 73k with him

[compact girder]

Zhong seems pretty significant

[tardy thunder]

he increased her damage by 29% lol

[compact girder]

Maybe ning screen + geo reso can do good enough

[tardy thunder]

if you could get 2 counters in per rotation her dpr with def/geo/crit would go up to 116k with zhong

but idk if you can or if that would be practical even if you can

[compact girder]

In a 15 sec rot would be possible

[tardy thunder]

its a 20 second rotation

[compact girder]

Oh hmm

[tardy thunder]

not sure where you would fit it in without messing with the rotation too much tho

if its possible in 15s it should be possible in 20s

how long does zhong shield last?

[compact girder]

20 sec

[tardy thunder]

hmm ok i think i have a rotation where we can do 2 E

[compact girder]

I dont wanna get zhong so i hope theres another geo shielder with similar function as him

[tardy thunder]

Zhong E > Yunjin E> Bennet E Q > Zhongli Q > Xianling E Q> Yunjin E Q > Xianling N4 * 4

@compact girder

thoughts on that rotation?

@wheat valley

[compact girder]

What is yun jin using here?

Petra or Hood

[tardy thunder]

4 husk

zhong is using the petra

[compact girder]

Ohhh

[wheat valley]

Hmm. The question is whether Bennett's Q infusion would last that long

Iirc it's tied to the attack buff.

[tardy thunder]

yeah its tied to his attack buff

[compact girder]

I think Zhong Q would drag it

[tardy thunder]

which lasts 14s

idk if we can fit in the zhong Q or not

[compact girder]

Yeah im iffy about that

[tardy thunder]

well we can prob do it outside of the bennet Q if need be

should still do decent damage right

[wheat valley]

Well,

Depends

[compact girder]

Zhong E > Yunjin E> Bennet E Q > Xianling E Q> Yunjin E Q > Xianling N4 * 4 >Zhong Q?

[wheat valley]

My built ADC Zhongli does like 70k~ without any buffs if Spine. Higher if Jade.

[tardy thunder]

can someone calc how much damage he would do here for me plz

if t9 adc 30 average subs

[compact girder]

adc zhong

[tardy thunder]

i dont have the time to calc it

[compact girder]

I will be the first ddc yunjin

[wheat valley]

I can't calc at all.

[tardy thunder]

HPC instead of ADC if need HP sands for the shiedl

[compact girder]

Vins hows your shield with adc zhong

[wheat valley]

HP Sands is a waste in any double Geo comp

[wheat valley]

Way more than enough.

[tardy thunder]

i agree

[compact girder]

Good

[tardy thunder]

even tho i dont have him

[wheat valley]

Haven't really had to break in ages

[tardy thunder]

id assume geo resonacne is enough

[compact girder]

Adc zhong it is

Do we take zhong E pulses here

[wheat valley]

But I also need to say, my ADC Zhongli has 26k HP.

Just from substats

[wheat valley]

We don't have any constructs

[compact girder]

Oh, does tap E spawn his shield?

[wheat valley]

No, I meant, it's hard to account for pillar pulses without any other construct allies because its range without Resonance is tiny

[tardy thunder]

his own

oh true

[wheat valley]

Yes but it's tiny

Wait

[compact girder]

Oh yeah

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder Ning hits twice per NA right?

[compact girder]

VINS

FINALLY

WE HAVE THE SAME BRAIN

[wheat valley]

I mean, it's still probably gonna get scuffed if you manage to get locked into the right hand twirl

But it's worth thinking about

[compact girder]

I was hoping for 10k per N1 ning

N2-3C might be gud

[radiant wagon]

n2 walk cancel kokomi?

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea

I don’t use her

Cuz she’s c0

[compact girder]

Ning N1 hits twice

Same scaling for both

[wheat valley]

Ning's N1 takes 25 frames according to TCL. CA takes 50 frames.

Ok so

Let's see

[compact girder]

50.4 % mv at lvl 10

[wheat valley]

No like, lemme think.

N3C is about 125 frames and that's 6 hits. We probably won't hit the cap but I also don't know how Atk Speed affects frames.

Man I wish Yunjin's ult lasted like 2 seconds longer

[compact girder]

I wanna see yun jin dpr with ning though

[wheat valley]

@compact girder to maximize Yunjin's ult without totally ignoring CA, we'd need N4C. But we also need calcs on whether it's a huge DPS loss or not, etc etc.

[compact girder]

Though yun jin’s only dmg contribution would be E

[compact girder]

I feel like N4 would drag it a bit

Ning CA is a lot of damage

[wheat valley]

Yeah but CAs also take twice as long as a NA.

[compact girder]

Are we assuming cancels?

Or no

[wheat valley]

And aren't affected by Yunjin C2 or C6.

I have no idea. I'm using frame data from TCL but they don't state whether it's with cancels or not.

[compact girder]

Oh oof

Ning without cancels feels bad

[wheat valley]

Ik

[compact girder]

Aghhh i wish we had yun jin rn

I feel like N2-3 C still would be more optimal

[radiant wagon]

yun jins burst kinda depends on how exactly it gets calculated tbh

[compact girder]

Well we assume the def NA bonus gets calculated before crit

Like zhong A4

[wheat valley]

Also before Dmg Bonus%

Like Moonglow/Redhorn/Cinnabar

[radiant wagon]

before dmg bonus%? thanks

[compact girder]

I wonder how good yun jin would be with geo infusion

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

Anyways

[wheat valley]

Do we know anyone who has experience with Ning frames

[compact girder]

Ive played ning for a while but i didnt pay attention to frames

Maybe theres a ningguang server

[wheat valley]

Same.

[radiant wagon]

chongyun as a teammate to yunjin?

[compact girder]

In where

[wheat valley]

There is. But uhh, it's Ninggang

[compact girder]

Whats that

Ninggang

I like the name

[wheat valley]

Infamous for @ everyone pings

They call it a purge

[compact girder]

Oh

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

I have 456 pings right now

[wheat valley]

Anyways,

[compact girder]

I dont mind i guess

Can i just screen record

Ningguang gameplay

I have no idea how to framecount though

[wheat valley]

The ones who actually do tc aren't interested in Yunjin rn

[tardy thunder]

What I miss

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

Sadge

[compact girder]

Ning + yun jin

[wheat valley]

Ning N4C or N3C, How does Yunjin C6 affect Ning frames, etc.

[compact girder]

Im interested in both but I dont know shit about framecount

[wheat valley]

The problem is

[tardy thunder]

Any optimized rotation for the yuniin Xianling team with zhong?

Did we fix that?

[wheat valley]

I have no idea how to do stuff with frames

I vote for skipping Zhongli Q unless Homa.

[compact girder]

^

[tardy thunder]

If we skip it we may as well just use Kazuha

[wheat valley]

Because ulting without Homa requires an abnormal amount of investment.

[compact girder]

The rotation seems fine already if zhong Q isnt cast before Yun Jin xiangling

[compact girder]

Lower yun jin damage but higher xl and benny dmg

[tardy thunder]

His damage plus the the extra damage for Yunjin needed to result in 67k more than Kazuha personal damage

[compact girder]

Yeah i think its worth seeing into

[tardy thunder]

To be equivalent

[wheat valley]

67k DPR or DPS

[tardy thunder]

DPR

[wheat valley]

Oh

That's

A pretty low bar

[compact girder]

Where does 67k dps yun jin exist

[wheat valley]

Wait

[compact girder]

I want that

[wheat valley]

No

You mean Kazuha

[tardy thunder]

Cuz that’s how much Kazuha is adding to Xianling over how much she does in the Zhongli version

[wheat valley]

I don't think anyone is gonna come close to that.

Like,

67k over Kazuha's already busted DPR

[tardy thunder]

She does 67k more in the Kazuha team than the Zhongli team. So Zhongli needs to add 67k more dpr to the team than kazuhas damage

[tardy thunder]

How much damage were we looking at on zhong Q?

I don’t have time to calc him

I thought with pyro resonance and geo resonance he should do good damage

[wheat valley]

My Skyward/Jade Zhongli Q does around 70k~ without Bennett. Bennett pushes it closer to 80k+.

@tardy thunder can't we kidnap Raikh or KB

[tardy thunder]

Wouldn’t that be worth using if it fits into the rotation?

[wheat valley]

Depends on AoE

And how much you need the CC

[tardy thunder]

@unkempt basin

[wheat valley]

Can he even see the thread

[tardy thunder]

Well I guess the Zhongli version doesn’t need to be equivalent in dps to the Kazuha version

Since it has more comfort

Just needs to be within a reasonable enough margin to justify

But if you’re using lance on him or Yunjin it’ll look worse for their personal damage

And you prob need to if you want to run as minimal Er on Xianling as possible

Kazuha have advantage of being able to use favonious and still do a lot of damage

Freaking chad

[wheat valley]

And is also of a different element.

[tardy thunder]

I think geo resonance invalidates that

[wheat valley]

Well, kind of

[tardy thunder]

Geo resonance should be more damage gained than 1 stack of a4

Since it buffs all msg

[wheat valley]

But It's coverage against shields.

[tardy thunder]

Dmg

Fair

[unkempt basin]

whats up?

[timid portal]

@tardy thunder

boht of em went offline kek

[wheat valley]

@unkempt basin help calcs

Basically

[tardy thunder]

Vin said to steal you

[wheat valley]

[tardy thunder]

I wanted to calc zhong damage in team of Yunjin Xianling bennet c6 zhong

But I can’t calc I’m at airport

[tardy thunder]

And compare it to Kazuha in place of Zhong

[compact girder]

I feel like Xl dmg will be waay bigger with kaz

Though cant say for sure how yun jin personal damage affects the team

[unkempt basin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F7shn4WPOIzw2pK_U99dBxKywt7tbzDOycdAonPeOl0/edit#gid=0

Homa Tab isn't adjusted yet

just the DM one

[tardy thunder]

Thnx

So 79k if not buffed

111k if buffed

Haven’t calced what Kazuha would be doing here yet

So basically zhong damage plus the extra damage he gives Yunjin provides about 80-130k dpr

No chance in hell that’s 67k more than Kazuha damage huh

[unkempt basin]

If I exclude OL from my Kaz Calc

Thats'd be 233k DPR with quadratic swirls

2 Es per rot

a tad less since Raiden E falls away. Lets say 225k

[wheat valley]

@tardy thunder

[grizzled schooner]

Is yunjin’s buff even good or no?

[radiant wagon]

yunjins buff is good for a select no of ppl

xiangling, ningguang, zhongli, and yoimiya benefit from it

she needs someone who can AA fast / multihit though

[grizzled schooner]

But at 3k def would the buff only be 1.7k? Is it even worth it?

[modern blaze]

noelle monogeo all def scalers seems like a good team for her

but are you willing to farm at least 3 full sets of hood?

[radiant wagon]

1.7k per AA, which should get multiplied by crit and dmg%

its a respectable buff for characters who can use it

[compact girder]

Is def geo crit or def crit def for yun jin fine

[modern blaze]

she will probably use def/def/def

[radiant wagon]

shes probably gonna go triple def if its the person on fields dmg% and crit stats being used

[modern blaze]

unless her Q proc used her own crit and dmg% modifiers

yep

[compact girder]

Oh

Is her parry damage useless

[modern blaze]

kinda
it's probably going to be used just to battery

[compact girder]

Sigh

Well i guess its best to stop simping for her

[radiant wagon]

i dont think yunjin will have amazing dmg per screenshots but she looks like an interesting support

[compact girder]

Yun jin mains are going for a hybrid build

Should i stop them

[modern blaze]

yea, just unconventional
she doesn't fit most "meta" teams but has a home in more unconventional ones like razor, yoi or noelle comps

[compact girder]

I should probably just get c2 Chongyun from the liyue event then

[radiant wagon]

i feel like yunjin depends on the characters you enjoy/main

[compact girder]

Ningguang isnt meta anymore

I dont think its worth using her

Nor yun jin for my account

[radiant wagon]

i dont think we'll ever get back to 1.0 supp Iort 4* in terms of versatility but her use cases arent as simple as matching the element which is cool

[grizzled schooner]

Has anyone done any math on triple def husk yunjin?

[compact girder]

Yeah i guess..

My yunjin dream is dead already

Idk what to look forward in 2.4

Shenhe doesnt seem too good for my account either

[radiant wagon]

i think toro(?) made a pure pyro petra yunjin

[compact girder]

2.5 leaks

[compact girder]

That was xiangling driver iirc

Idk what set she was using

And i dont have c6 bennett

Or zhongli

Apparently he said yun jin did nice dmg but i dont think that was true

[modern blaze]

xiangling driver has a couple multi hits in her NA chain
there is a reason she was used as a crescent pike during early days of the game

so i can see her working as a good yunjin driver
same with ZL

[compact girder]

I dont..really thinj i should use xiangling for that rn

Shes in sukoko

So noone utilizes yunjin rn

Agh i sound like im doomposting

I dont wanna but yun jin just provides nothing to my account

[modern blaze]

it's fine
she is very specialized anyways
it's like pulling for sara/gorou when you don't play electro/geo

[compact girder]

Is it worth using her as a subdps for E

Or not at all

I wanted a geo partner for Ningguang

I dont think its gonna be good though

[tardy thunder]

It is but it has only a select few that can abuse it due to most characters not doing a ton of AAs

[grizzled schooner]

Does it only increase na damage or aa in general?

[fast vine]

should i prefarm the new set for yun jin?

[grizzled schooner]

Why not?

[radiant wagon]

na dmg

[tardy thunder]

NA

[radiant wagon]

ca dmg is a no, dont remember if plunging is included as a NA for glad

[tardy thunder]

Is not

If it was Xiao would use 4 glad or 4 bolide

[grizzled schooner]

Hope they change her kit to include it

[tardy thunder]

Highly doubt they would make a change that drastic

[grizzled schooner]

Yea but I’m currently overdosing on hopium

[tardy thunder]

Nah that’s copium

They might tweak her numbers or constellations or passives or cool downs slightly

But they never do anything that makes a drastic change to the characters actual kit

[rotund harness]

well the percentage of DMG dealt by her E says otherwise...

[tardy thunder]

I think her damage will look good if she’s on a geo team with a c6 Gorou

Solo geo her damage will be really low

[wheat valley]

Her E damage would suck

Her Q though

Ayaka N4D spam

[tardy thunder]

Are you counting her buff as her own damage?

People keep doing that

And it’s very confusing

[rotund harness]

why?

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Nothing boosting her

[compact girder]

Solo geo?

Like just herself?

[tardy thunder]

Her as only geo on the team

[compact girder]

Ah

I suppose ning + screen might make it a little better

I need gorou

But id rather get shenhe than itto

Hoping gorou in yae banner

[tardy thunder]

As we saw her in my calc earlier Zhongli plus geo resonance alone buffed her damage by like 29%

Put in a Gorou too

[wheat valley]

But it's also Zhongli so

[tardy thunder]

And it go up significantly again

[rotund harness]

but her skill depends on the charge.. and level 10 is like 672%(?) of DMG. it's a lot for an elemental skill

[wheat valley]

[compact girder]

If only i had gorou

[tardy thunder]

Just an example of how much more damage she will do on geo teams than solo geo

[wheat valley]

672% DEF isn't high for Geo

[compact girder]

I just want good extra dmg from her E

Seems like mihoyo really wanted her to be support only

[tardy thunder]

Honestly my complaint is that all her E does is damage

[compact girder]

Subdps 4* when

[tardy thunder]

She’s a support but all her E do is damage no utility

It should have had a shield

[compact girder]

I still dont know if i should use yun jin

I probably shouldn’t anyways

[tardy thunder]

Nothing about her is final

Other than being hot

[compact girder]

Shes only gonna be an NA buffer

[radiant wagon]

xingqiu

[compact girder]

I thought her counter would be fun but its useless

[compact girder]

New one

[tardy thunder]

Why are you calling it useless now?

[rotund harness]

wdym it's not... it's based on 672% of her DEF, if i'm not mistaken

[compact girder]

It provides particles i guess

[tardy thunder]

Do you think it’s a dps loss or something?

[compact girder]

Its not but i dont think its significant enough to use full counter

[radiant wagon]

particles + easier petra/energy
the time taken to do it doesnt rlly matter if you parry it

[compact girder]

Maybe just tap E for energy

[tardy thunder]

You get a full counter just from getting once

[compact girder]

I know but i dont think you’d always get full counters

[tardy thunder]

Speaking of Tap E it would have been nice if tap E had a lower cooldown

Than hold

[compact girder]

Hmm i dont know

[radiant wagon]

yunjin shouldnt eat too much field time

[compact girder]

Yunjin’s main focus is her Q and im just sad noone in my roster can fully utilize it

[tardy thunder]

Even if you don’t do a full counter can’t you just do a half counter

Hold E then release right away

Doesn’t it have 3 levels?

[tardy thunder]

Or am I remembering wrong

[modern blaze]

you're confusing it with shenhe's hold skill
yunjin's cd is always 9s

[tardy thunder]

Is this good or bad I don’t know frame stuff

[balmy remnant]

tap E, is the slash

a full charge 2 + the slash is uhhhh

83+38

[tardy thunder]

How can I be confusing it with Shenhe when I never read Shenhe kit at all

[tardy thunder]

Is this a conspiracy

Ah so there is no half counter like beidou

Wait

There is

Charge level 1

Yes that’s what I was talking about

[balmy remnant]

nah, it's either a perfect counter, or you wait

[compact girder]

Ningguang can abuse yunjin buff twice

[tardy thunder]

I do not understand

[modern blaze]

or you don't wait and get the "weak" counter

[tardy thunder]

Yes that’s what I’m saying

If you just hold and release you get charge level 1

Instead of tap

Correct?

[balmy remnant]

you have to hold it for 45 frames

or almost a second

to get to charge 1

[unkempt basin]

Its like a Bow CA where you have to hold long enough for it reach its according charged stages

[modern blaze]

kinda like ganyu where she has aimed shot > normal CA > frostflake

[balmy remnant]

exactly like that

[tardy thunder]

So you do it just like beidou. Hold then release right on time for charge level 1, getting occasional perfect parry when enemies hit you during your hold

Ya?

[balmy remnant]

ye