Shenhe Thread

[wooden junco]

that is true, however a lot of the time it's the opposite, you hear bad takes that incredibly overhype characters like yoimiya or zhongli

[proper fern]

i equally hear shit takes from echo chambers that undervalue them

i recommend sticking around this server, its pretty good at being neutral and figuring out the "meta" for themselves without getting to caught up in what xy or z has to say

remember everyone's account and playstyle is different. no one can generally speak about whether a character is a good pull for your own account

[wooden junco]

alright, thank you, I'll think about rolling or not in these few days
only other think I might ask is do you think my rotation without charge attacks is the way to go for ganyu shenhe, or is there a better rotation that was discovered for ganyu specifically? I could not find a video on how to play her with ganyu

tldr ganyu just does Q in this team, that's what made me clear the fastest times in the event

[proper fern]

what's your full team again

[wooden junco]

if I CA I can get one big nuke damage once, but every other CA after that is just a tiny buff, and overall the clear times in potion events was slower

To explain my rotations briefly, I start with Shenhe E Q, Ganyu Q, then VV swirl, then go on Mona for freeze and TTDS, then do a single charge shot with Ganyu, and back to shenhe to repeat

[proper fern]

start with shenhe qe not eq

gives you more leeway

i think u can use this video as inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zc_7dle1-U

you should also consider splitting mona's e and q

as otherwise there's notable gaps in freeze

other than that unfortuantely i haven't seen refined rotations yet with your specific team so can't give u anything concrete

[wooden junco]

thank you, the help is good anyway

[proper fern]

shenhe e, mona e, ganyu e, kazuha eq, ganyu q, shenhe e, mona q, ganyu cax2

thats a starting point, should probably consider a way to get another kazuha e

[rocky mirage]

@wooden junco take everything with a grain of salt. Alot of general advice has ro be taken in consideration of your account

Imo if meta is ur premier concern, its good to eait towards the end of banners, when the math has been run in many different scenarios

To answer ur first question though. This abyss for sure boosts mono teams, whoever they might be

[proper fern]

this actually looks pretty good too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFvSntvgCE8

[rocky mirage]

But every abyss shills something, there is no even playing field except in spreadsheets

[proper fern]

in fact he refreshes vv just after it expires so this is pretty clean, i would consider copying this with your kazuha instead of venti

[wooden junco]

it's a little harder than my rotation for sure, but I just gotta study up

thank you

[proper fern]

make sure to invest in prototype amber instead off ttds for mona, that won't work in most situations

[wispy pawn]

would a freeze team w/ ganyu without venti or kazuha be viable for abyss I dont have either of them

[chilly hinge]

Yeah it’s fine, especially if you have Mona. There was a 3 week period of time after blizzard strayer release but before Ganyu release where Kaeya/Chongyun/XQ freeze teams were meta

[wispy pawn]

okay cool i have mona so who would fill the 4th slot in the team of ganyu/mona/shenhe? could I use rosaria just cuz i like her

[chilly hinge]

I’d say Rosaria is fine. You could also use Jean/Sayu for heals if you don’t want to give Mona a prototype Amber but that’s your call

[vast current]

[wispy pawn]

Alright thank you so much for the help

[frank furnace]

is it bigger than sara's?

[ripe cedar]

the biggest so far at 30px iirc

[frank furnace]

and she's got the biggest hips

daaamn

[ripe cedar]

are we sure that homa's not her signature weapon? because it looks so great on her

[glass roost]

Calamity queller looks WAY better trust me

[ripe cedar]

homa looks better imho

[glass roost]

Her sig weapon matches her aesthetic

[ripe cedar]

queller matches her bluish white part while homa matches her black red part

[glass roost]

Yep

Queller have gold too

[ripe cedar]

even skyward spine looks good on her

[glass roost]

Yes

[wooden stratus]

To bulky

For the blade part

[slow marsh]

Yup homa is bis for fashion impact imo

[uneven fulcrum]

What is the general ATK a full atk% engulfing shenhe has? Lvl 90 weapon lvl 90 shenhe

[ripe cedar]

I'm currently using atk/atk/atk glad + eosf with 30% attack from both flower and feather, and 221 ER and I got 3538

[wooden stratus]

Would yall run er sands if running CQ?

[fleet thistle]

If you had energy problems yes but generally speaks atk% ends up being top still

[mellow bane]

How is Shenhe mono cryo with Ning proto amber using 4p petra?

I only just thought of that team

[ripe cedar]

If you use chongyun I think it's better to use VV Jean so she can proc the quills as well

but proto amber ning should do well

[mellow bane]

Ya I was thinking about putting Kazuha on that team as well since Chongyun can turn Kazuha’s damage to cryo while still having access to 4p vv

[wooden stratus]

Why not Zhong instead though

[wooden stratus]

Cryo cup AA kaz?

[mellow bane]

Zhongli is also a good option instead of Ning in the situation where there is no corrosion

Ya cryo cup Kaz

Well actually I’m not 100% sure about AA Kazuha tho, I’m gonna have to figure out the proper rotation for that team first

Team is currently looking to be Shenhe with 2p Glads + 2p SR, Chongyun with 4p Noblese, Kazuha with 4p VV, & Ning with 4p AP

Everyone in that team contributes to help each other

[wooden stratus]

Still confused with ning honestly

Kokomi/Mona exist

[mellow bane]

It wouldn’t be mono cryo anymore

But a freeze team

[wooden stratus]

I mean

Who has kokomi and mona

I just got c1 qiqi in standard

💀

[fair blaze]

That con is actually useful now, lol

[wooden stratus]

Wat

[ripe cedar]

C2 is also good in chongyun shenhe (hold)\

[wooden stratus]

I was more excited for the sac sword

Im ar 57 without a sac sword

[ripe cedar]

ouch

[dapper jewel]

what would you guys go for in my shoes

i have c0 ayaka w mistsplitter, c0 kazuha, c0 shenhe, and c0 mona...i could use guarantee for c1 shenhe or kokomi, or i guess c1 on either ayaka or kazuha whenever they rerun

[cold ridge]

id get kokomi tbh

c1 shenhe makes it comfier but is not necessary by any means

c1 kazuha is just sac sword

[ripe cedar]

I'd only roll for Shenhe's cons if you want to get at least C2 for 90% burst uptime tbh
I'm saving and planning to make Shenhe my C6 5* because she enables fun comp at that cons level

if I'm not planning to C6 her, I'm not even going to C1 Shenhe

[dapper jewel]

i guess kokomi probably makes the most sense

i just don't wanna give up mona omen lmao

[cold ridge]

you dont have to

like kokomi also opens up new comp

which is sukokomon if you are willing to learn the rotation

i think she is a very good enabler regardless if you are pulling her to replace mona or not

she will have value

[dapper jewel]

yeah i do like kokomi, it's just hard to imagine where else i would use her for the foreseeable future - i have highly invested ayaka, hu tao, and c2 raiden teams, so kokomi only really makes sense in the freeze team unless i want to build several other characters too i guess

[cold ridge]

yeah it just depends on your account, but i definetely wouldnt recommend shenhe or kazuha c1

[wooden stratus]

i got cq

wew

[ripe cedar]

mona can use proto amber to take up the healer slot too

[dapper jewel]

yeah i guess my acct is in a place where i don't really know what to even pull for anymore, which is why i asked in the first place lol

[ripe cedar]

kazuha also becomes a wholly different character at C6

[ripe cedar]

Same

I dont even know what to farm rn lol

[dapper jewel]

lmao literally same

[cold ridge]

oof yeah thats understandable

i was waiting for months to even have a character i was interested in

i have like enough for 5 pities bcz of not pulling at all

then shenhe got leaked

thanks to her i spent some

[ripe cedar]

then how many shenhe do you get

[cold ridge]

3

[ripe cedar]

noice

[cold ridge]

c2 was enough for me

[ripe cedar]

I'm still at 2/7 shenhe

[dapper jewel]

i kind of want to do that and be able to get the first couple dendro characters and maybe one of their weapons or constellations

but that could be a really long time

and we don't even know what dendro will do either

[cold ridge]

ah yeah i think im also saving for dendros now unless there is a character that i will be liking so much

i dont rly care about who is meta to pull i just want fun

[ripe cedar]

next spending plan is for Kokomi/Ayato and that will depend on how fun Heizou is

[dapper jewel]

oh yeah i forgot heizou is supposed to come soon...do we know anything about him at all gameplay-wise?

[ripe cedar]

if Heizou is Diona/Rosaria/Sayu tier of fun then I'm spending for Ayato until one pity

[ripe cedar]

not at all

[cold ridge]

no i dont think we know anything

we dont even know if he is 4 or 5* i think

[dapper jewel]

hm..ayato is 100% hydro though?

[ripe cedar]

I'm good with this patch since I have everyone

Ayato seems to be 99% Hydro

if his hydro app is good then I'm rolling for him before Kokomi

[dapper jewel]

yeah i may be more interested in him than kokomi depending what he does

i'm also kind of hoping for a character (ayato or whoever) that works really well with yunjin...but isn't a bow dps

[cold ridge]

damn that would be fun

we dont have a lot of AA focused 5*

[dapper jewel]

is yoimiya the only one?

[cold ridge]

i think she is

[ripe cedar]

Only Yoi yes

[dapper jewel]

i don't have her or want her so it's kind of a drag for me since i love yunjin

[cold ridge]

correction, we have one AA focused 5*

[dapper jewel]

i built her anyway to use w hu tao since i skipped albedo lol

[cold ridge]

ig childe yunjin works too

[dapper jewel]

oh i guess childe is kinda na focused

[cold ridge]

havent looked into it much tho

[ripe cedar]

childe is like 1/3 riptide 1/3 burst no

[dapper jewel]

yeah

yeah but he does end up doing a lot of NA

[ripe cedar]

and even then the attack is separated between NA and CA

[cold ridge]

he is, i just saw that comp floating around

[dapper jewel]

even if they're not the major source of his dmg

[ripe cedar]

that's why most people do glad/hod

[dapper jewel]

i actually do want to try out a childe yunjin team but idk who else to put in

my childe isn't really built and i don't like using xiangling so i haven't had a reason to do much with him

[cold ridge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Pwvx5KT5oqJAamxd844pqt4MOfAF_djp_YGfO31WpOE/edit?usp=sharing i think it was this one

[dapper jewel]

yeah i did see this i think

[cold ridge]

i would try it if i had childe lol

[dapper jewel]

i wish i didn't have childe tbh

[cold ridge]

he was an amazing enabler and pretty much the best one for xl, now i dont feel like there is much "need" to him

[dapper jewel]

on the last day of kokomi's banner i had enough pulls to 50/50 but was like 'nah i'll just save them for homa' then i ended up getting childe a week later bc i was bored

[cold ridge]

xl has more enabler now

[dapper jewel]

got homa early anyway

and now i have no kokomi and a lvl 70 childe that i never use

[cold ridge]

rolling on weapon banners scare me

[cold ridge]

[dapper jewel]

i only did it for mistsplitter and homa but i am really glad i did tbh

[cold ridge]

yeah those are pog

i never wished on weapon banners

too much risk for me lol

im not much of a gambler

[dapper jewel]

i thought i never would bc of the risk/cost

[cold ridge]

yeah ig homa and mistsplitter is just too good

[dapper jewel]

but i like ayaka so much that i figured it was worth it

and i like hu tao a lot + homa seems like it'll be good in general even if i replace hu tao eventually (sword and polearm are my favorite weapon types)

[ripe cedar]

I rolled on Skyward Harp / Redhorn banner and Xiao's because I didnt think I'm this enticed to C6 Shenhe

[dapper jewel]

i doubt i will roll another weapon banner until it's for a character that i know i will keep playing for a long time

[ripe cedar]

could get like another 120 rolls for another 2 pity for Shenhe C2

the worse part is that I kinda regretted Xiao

[dapper jewel]

shenhe c2 is burst uptime and mini sara c6 for cryo?

[cold ridge]

ah yes xiao

[ripe cedar]

and also I only got Skyward........ Atlas

[cold ridge]

i have him triple crowned, but he is benched

at least in abyss

[dapper jewel]

my xiao has also been collecting dust since 1.3...

[ripe cedar]

I rolled for Xiao to pair with Yunjin tbh

[dapper jewel]

i tried this, it is pretty cool tbh but not as good as just plunging i think

[cold ridge]

its actually very painful to see him like this, my shenhe kaeya diona kazuha team just clears faster with dogwater investment

[cold ridge]

in aoe yeah i dont see it being better

but hey its fun

[ripe cedar]

thing is abyss is going more ST than ever

[dapper jewel]

btw if you ever need to feel better about your regretted pulls: i used 80 pulls on keqing banner to get keqing....

[cold ridge]

is there a comparison between collision xiao and yunjin

[cold ridge]

did you get her

[dapper jewel]

yeah lol

[cold ridge]

F

i mean if you like her...

[dapper jewel]

i built her but i never use her

[ripe cedar]

I lost to Keqing on the first Xiao's banner
then won Keqing on her banner (spook at 20 pull)

[cold ridge]

fuck thats sad

i wished on her banner to get benny

it was my first bennett

i got c1 too

it was such and exciting experience to try to dodge keqing lol

[dapper jewel]

lmao poor keqing

i started playing the last week of albedo banner

[ripe cedar]

my keqing is C4 now

[wooden stratus]

what element is heizou tho

[dapper jewel]

i got bennett, sucrose, and fischl on it and i think i never pulled another fischl a year later

[ripe cedar]

I dont hate her
even got her costume too

[ripe cedar]

no one knows yet

[dapper jewel]

no clue

[cold ridge]

c1 fish gang

[wooden stratus]

idk why i auto assumed heizou electro

[cold ridge]

only got her once during first venti banner

and in the event

never again

lmfao

[dapper jewel]

i think a lot of people have speculated this too, idk where it started though

maybe bc he's part of tenryou ?

[wooden stratus]

but i triple crowned keqing right before shenhe now im just stuck in

like

prosperity lmao

i triple crowned keq and bought her skin

[ripe cedar]

btw C1's fischl procs Yunjin's burst, making her the fastest gun in the west to use up all of Yunjin's burst

[wooden stratus]

nice

[cold ridge]

i will try it once im done with triple crowning shenhe

i have to build yunjin first

[dapper jewel]

wait that's pretty sick and i do have c1 fischl

[cold ridge]

which isnt gonna happen before that

[wooden stratus]

i have c6 fischl

so like

idk lmao

[dapper jewel]

what team for fischl yunjin?

[wooden stratus]

i assume 1 for sc

[ripe cedar]

fischl yunjin rosaria flex

[dapper jewel]

hmm my rosaria is kinda built

[ripe cedar]

noir uses fischl's CA to apply electro without letting oz out

[cold ridge]

how bout xq for even more st dmg lol

[dapper jewel]

why tho

[ripe cedar]

if Oz is out, he can't proc Fischl's C1

[dapper jewel]

ohh i see

that's pretty interesting

just give her rust in this situation?

[lavish river]

She has a lot of options

[dapper jewel]

wait my fischl is only 4th ascension and lvl 1 NA talent

[cold ridge]

im an ex physcl main

level 9 NA Yep

[ripe cedar]

fischl has skyward, rust, compound bow, waltz...

thundering pulse, polar star...

5* bows are all great

[dapper jewel]

my only 5* bow is elegy lol

[lavish river]

Rust is good for na modifier

Might as well

[cold ridge]

i have amos and no ganyu

[dapper jewel]

don't get her

[cold ridge]

i wont

too residentsleeper

[dapper jewel]

she was my first 5* and i stopped using her altogether like 6 months ago

[wooden stratus]

ganyu is kinda boring

lmao

shenhe ❤️

[cold ridge]

shenhe ❤️

[dapper jewel]

sometimes as subdps just for nostalgia..

[wooden stratus]

like boring personality wise

[dapper jewel]

but CA ganyu omg

[ripe cedar]

shenhe makes me use Ganyu again lmao

[dapper jewel]

it's so boring

[wooden stratus]

and playstyle

[cold ridge]

yeah it makes me wanna puke

[wooden stratus]

morgana is like

[dapper jewel]

i kinda feel worried for all the people that have bought into the hype ahead of her rerun

i feel like a lot of people are going to day 1 roll ganyu because they heard she's the god of dps

[cold ridge]

tbh ppl still think she is the destroyer of everything, the best dps

[dapper jewel]

and they're gonna find out how boring she is to play

[cold ridge]

yes

[wooden stratus]

kinda fun but tbh melt rosa with shenhe has been pretty fun

[dapper jewel]

and that she isn't even better than other dps anymore

[cold ridge]

shotgun diona with shenhe makes me laugh

i like it

[wooden stratus]

my aloy did like

[ripe cedar]

65k total paw with Diona is godly

[cold ridge]

shh dont tell them that, they wont believe you and call you a witch

[wooden stratus]

7k on her rushing ice sate

and i was like wat

and i rmb it was shenhe

[dapper jewel]

it's honestly kind of annoying lol

as a long-time ganyu haver

[ripe cedar]

Btw I tried Fischl with 2pc bloodstained, 2pc glad, Waltz + Yunjin with SC and I get 10k normal attack hits
shit's broken

[dapper jewel]

seeing every patch people spamming 'ganyu rerun when i need my abyss destroyer'

[cold ridge]

lol like yeah sure dude

she is still fine tho

[ripe cedar]

if you want cryo abyss destroyer you roll for Ayaka

[cold ridge]

the dps that suffered the most is xiao

[dapper jewel]

yeah ayaka is night and day for me from ganyu

[cold ridge]

no you roll for shenhe and go shotgun diona, you may not be able to clear abyss but you will experience peak pleasure

[wooden stratus]

owo

shotgun dion?

[ripe cedar]

but I think Meltyu is gonna be find especially with Wolflord
since CA Ganyu has little downtime even if wolflord floats away

[wooden stratus]

so sac bow diona?

[cold ridge]

sac bow diona with crit and cryo dmg

[ripe cedar]

crit bow diona

[wooden stratus]

oh

[cold ridge]

i mean

[dapper jewel]

oh yeh forgot wolf is in f12 soon...

[wooden stratus]

wait

[cold ridge]

sac also works

[wooden stratus]

i have skyward

kekw

[dapper jewel]

that boss isn't even hard he's just annoying

[wooden stratus]

crit dmg or rate

[cold ridge]

that mf flies most of the time

[dapper jewel]

feel like the magu kenki complainers are in for a rude awakening

[cold ridge]

whichever u need

[ripe cedar]

my Diona currently ahve 51/120 crits and 22k hp

[wooden stratus]

i was contemplating

uh

wassit

[dapper jewel]

they thought specters and rifthounds were annoying...

[cold ridge]

oh we definetely are lol

like wtf

[wooden stratus]

i was contemplatinfg building ning for wolf lord

does he have geo res

[cold ridge]

you dont have to squeeze every boss you can think of to abyss mihoyo

[wooden stratus]

i dont have a ranged

WAIT

my fischl

nvm

c6 fischl

maguu is ez now but also i use raiden national lmao

[ripe cedar]

I prefer lector national tbh lol

[dapper jewel]

tbh i will probably just try to brute force wolf with hu tao or raiden

[cold ridge]

imma just do one shot xq or something

[ripe cedar]

hydro herald, abyss lector, pyro lector in one chamber half seems cracked fun

[wooden stratus]

it was maguu now tho right

just bring kazoo

ez

[dapper jewel]

honestly i'm just excited for abyss to no longer be full of wolves

they're so boring

[wooden stratus]

lector national was fun

looks fun

[cold ridge]

best enemies are ruin mobs

[wooden stratus]

just bring my kazuu

[cold ridge]

they are jsut

so fun to destroy

[wooden stratus]

doritoes

and

ok doritoes were the bane of my existence ok

next f11 idk what i would bring bcuz all my built chars are pyro and electro lmao

[dapper jewel]

what's next f11?

[cold ridge]

whats in next floor 11

[wooden stratus]

oh

lemme just

send my SS?

it was leaked long ago lmao

[dapper jewel]

yeah i saw it a while back but can't remember bc i usually glaze over f11

[dapper jewel]

nice

[wooden stratus]

Stupid thunder manifestation

💀

[dapper jewel]

i will bring ayaka first half hu tao second

[wooden stratus]

Yeah

Ez

[dapper jewel]

thunder bird is annoying i'm surprised it hasn't been in abyss til now

[wooden stratus]

Benny xl second half probably

But idk wat else lmao

[neat geyser]

U have so much time for floor 11 anyway

[cold ridge]

i could go shenhe one half xiao other half ig

[wooden stratus]

True

[dapper jewel]

i didn't do sara's 6th ascension still bc i was so sick of doing thunderbird after her and raiden

[wooden stratus]

IKR

[dapper jewel]

yeah only 11-3 is 3 min

actually i still haven't done bennett's sixth either

[wooden stratus]

I was thinking like rosa shenhe firsthalf probably

I lvl 90 bennett alrdy lmao

actually broke from shenhe

i have more primos than mora rn

[neat geyser]

[dapper jewel]

wtf lmao

cursed

[neat geyser]

I was thinking on the 20k range

[wooden stratus]

HAHAH

NAH

[dapper jewel]

you can't even buy a drink at diluc's bar lmao

[neat geyser]

[cold ridge]

lOL

thats

[wooden stratus]

bro i couldnt even

[cold ridge]

damn

[wooden stratus]

craft condense

[cold ridge]

plz go to a mora ley line once you get 20 resin

i would lose my shit over this

[wooden stratus]

im farming shenhe weapon mats first

then mora later

[cold ridge]

lmfao

[wooden stratus]

bcuz time gated lmao

smh

[dapper jewel]

[wooden stratus]

oh

i could buy mora from stardust

nice

i spent like

[dapper jewel]

how dumb is it that part of why i want c1 shenhe is not for energy or extended damage windows or anything

but just bc double dash is cooler than one dash

[wooden stratus]

120 wishes on shenhe lmao

i mean it's a game

does it bring u joy

if it does then les go

10 wishes to get shenhe

and then like

[dapper jewel]

yes but those 5 stars do be expensive

[wooden stratus]

110 wishes on her weapon

smh

[dapper jewel]

nah i won't be baited by her weapon

[wooden stratus]

nah if u dont want then dont

[dapper jewel]

i have skyward on her and have homa so getting a jade spear would be totally useless

[wooden stratus]

not a big deal

i didnt have homa

or any 5 star spear

so i was like win win if i get either jade or cq

[dapper jewel]

yeah if i didn't have 5* polearm i'd have rolled for 1

[wooden stratus]

and then they gave me skyward PRIDE

💀

[dapper jewel]

damn

[wooden stratus]

ikr

now imma save for yae

not even gonna roll her weapon

[dapper jewel]

i think i'm skipping yae tbh

[wooden stratus]

r5 widsith from this weapon banner lmao

i sorta want

raiden cons tho

so it's like hm

[cold ridge]

same,her palystlye looks like albedo to me and im not interested in her character

[dapper jewel]

yeah i find her character really obnoxious

and the playstyle seems pretty whatever

[wooden stratus]

i kinda wanna maintain my electro main status

[dapper jewel]

i got raiden c2 and it is nuts tbh

[wooden stratus]

the playstyle looks sorta annoying ngl tbh

like her E animation takes so long lmao

[dapper jewel]

highest single strike in abyss for me was 450k on raiden

[wooden stratus]

she's pretty tho

my highest raiden strike is like

150k

lmao

c0 things

[dapper jewel]

c0 is still really good

i kinda wish i stopped there

[wooden stratus]

yeah

i run national tho

[ripe cedar]

with Shenhe I'm maining cryo rn

[dapper jewel]

i still prefer playing ayaka and hu tao over raiden, so there was no need

[wooden stratus]

kekw

[cold ridge]

i just main kazuha

triple crowned the boi

[wooden stratus]

based

[dapper jewel]

same - ayaka is my fav char by a long shot

her and kazuha

[wooden stratus]

wanted to triple crown kazoo tbh

[vapid egret]

I main your mother

[cold ridge]

good choice

[wooden stratus]

i A6-ed him b4 i a6-ed venti

kekw

[dapper jewel]

so shenhe was an easy pull for me

[wooden stratus]

shenhe was a waifu pull for me

[dapper jewel]

kazuha was the first char i lvl to 90

[ripe cedar]

I dont even like Ayaka that much, but if I got C6 Shenhe, that's automatically Ayaka's C6 as well
Also Ayaka C6 on everyone who can do cryo normal and charged attack (basically everyone, thanks to chongyun)

[wooden stratus]

i was contemplating c6 shenhe also

[dapper jewel]

yeah shenhe's c6 is really cool, it's just so many pulls to c6 a 5*

[wooden stratus]

but i srsly

do not have cryo dps

lmoa

[ripe cedar]

I'm making her my long term project (like over year of saving)

[dapper jewel]

and honestly my experience w c2 raiden has made me kinda wary of pulling cons for a 5*

[wooden stratus]

yea nothing wrong

my friend long term project her zl

since she simps

she has his c2

[dapper jewel]

not because it isn't a massive upgrade

[ripe cedar]

I simp for Shenhe too

[wooden stratus]

and plans to get his c4 next banner

[dapper jewel]

but just bc it is more limiting for what else i can do

[wooden stratus]

raiden c2 seems cool ngl

but like

i think i rather have more chars to play around with

yknow

[dapper jewel]

yeah, that's my feeling

[wooden stratus]

dont think i ran melt rosa b4 shenhe lmao

[dapper jewel]

though tbf if i skipped the c2 i wouldn't have gotten any characters between then and now

[cold ridge]

i personally dont summon on pure dmg cons unless i simp

[wooden stratus]

i dont simp

until shenhe

her child bearing hips

wew

[dapper jewel]

i kinda did for ayaka and hu tao i guess

but i'd rather get their weapon than constellations

which is what i did for them, plus c1 hu tao since i got c0 in 5 pulls lmao

[cold ridge]

damn

[wooden stratus]

imagine

having luck

REEEEEE

still want a mona

[dapper jewel]

tbh my first like 6 months my luck was insane

[wooden stratus]

are they gonna add more 5 star weapons to standard istg

[ripe cedar]

Zhongli C6 is fun too because you dont have to bring healers anymore
Shenhe enables fun comps
Kazuha becomes on field DPS

I like C6s like these

[dapper jewel]

i won 6 50/50 in a row

[wooden stratus]

wow

[cold ridge]

sheesh

i won and lost equal 50 50s

[dapper jewel]

xiao and hu tao within first 10 pull

[wooden stratus]

im like the exact opposite

ive never won a single 5050

[cold ridge]

but got like 2 characters in one pull twice

[wooden stratus]

until shenhe

[dapper jewel]

my gf has had even better luck than me

[cold ridge]

not even once

how

[wooden stratus]

i won shenhe

only one i won

[dapper jewel]

she won 7 or 8 50/50 in a row, only ever lost twice i think

and she got 2 itto in first 20 pulls

[wooden stratus]

so

[cold ridge]

still thats extremely scuffed luck

[ripe cedar]

I counted, I won 8 and lost 9 50/50

[cold ridge]

and i thought mine was bad

[wooden stratus]

it was
keqing b4 zhongli
qiqi b4 venti
jean b4 kazuha
diluc b4 raiden

[dapper jewel]

hmm i am 11 to 4 on 50/50 won vs lost

[wooden stratus]

yeah i have horrible luck lmao

doesnt help that im like

[cold ridge]

jean...

[ripe cedar]

I lost 3 50/50 and 2 weapon banner for C2R1 Raiden

[cold ridge]

still no jean

[dapper jewel]

so after the first 6 in a row it's 5 to 4, that's pretty average

[wooden stratus]

low spender

i got the donut tryna get cutter for keqing

[dapper jewel]

it took me a year to get jean, i just did finally a couple days ago

[wooden stratus]

💀

[cold ridge]

grats on that, im still waiting for mine

[dapper jewel]

bro my gf got 2 jade cutter trying to get donut for kokomi

[wooden stratus]

i literally only got like 3 welkins

[dapper jewel]

[wooden stratus]

so like

painnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

man

[cold ridge]

but considering i wont pull for anyone for a long time, it will be ahrd lol

[wooden stratus]

pray standard

[dapper jewel]

maybe she'll show up on standard

[ripe cedar]

I got enoug stardust for 8 months

[cold ridge]

i got qiqi 3 days ago

[wooden stratus]

i got qiqi ytd

[cold ridge]

so ext one will prob be a weapon

[wooden stratus]

gang gang

[cold ridge]

c2 qiqi lol

[wooden stratus]

it was early tho

she came at 19

wanted mona

sadge

[ripe cedar]

that's good

[wooden stratus]

next could be either weapon or char

if weapon pjws would be nice

[ripe cedar]

I spent 240-ish pulls this banner and get 11 ningguangs and only 2 yunjins

fug

[wooden stratus]

if char mona ples

damn

[ripe cedar]

5 chongyuns

[wooden stratus]

i only spend 10wishes on the char banner

so i got a single ning

[dapper jewel]

i didn't even count the ning and chong but it was a fuckton for me and 2 yunjin

both were already c6

[wooden stratus]

bro my luck is so scuffed

that ytd was my first sac sword

[ripe cedar]

same lol

[wooden stratus]

im ar57???????

[dapper jewel]

wait actually that reminds me lmao

[wooden stratus]

2 weeks since

launcH??????

[dapper jewel]

i mentioned my gf has had insane luck on pulls

[wooden stratus]

scuffed luck af

[dapper jewel]

she is ar57 too but still no sac sword

[wooden stratus]

i have 91% on enkanomiya lmao

for CQ

[cold ridge]

damn wtf

[dapper jewel]

damn i'm still at like 70-something

i wanna explore more, enka is really cool

[wooden stratus]

speedrun

yeah

needed to speedrun for primos

[dapper jewel]

abyss lore

[wooden stratus]

enka is pretty cool

the

stupid

animation takes too long

REEEEEEEEEEE

[dapper jewel]

yes omg

idk why no skip button

[wooden stratus]

esp when ur solving puzzles

kudos to the animators

bcuz REEEEEEEEEEEE

[dapper jewel]

first time i saw it i was like okay i'm gonna hate this in a day

sure enough

[cold ridge]

[wooden stratus]

kekw

[rugged falcon]

How are mono cryo teams with shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

fun to use

[sage nymph]

yeah its funny how the narrative is "shenhe is a very niche inflexible unit" and like, while she is niche, that niche is actually super flexible

she can turn any cryo unit into a major damage dealer for quickswap teams

and can actually have very cheap teams with two 4 star cryo units and an anemo

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe dps

[pliant solar]

pretty decent subdps numbers on top of her buffs

imo shes gonna be a nice staple in cryo teams if future units dont suffer too much from energy

[wooden stratus]

Really?

Sitri shit was at 115k dpr iirc

No idea if that’s considered good for subdps

[pliant solar]

wasnt that in eula raiden

[wooden stratus]

It was?

Whats the numbers in cryo team

[pliant solar]

i rmb only seeing his eula raiden sheet

i feel like shes a weird char to calc

since shes very dependent on your other cryo char's gear

[wooden stratus]

Ic

Was the 115k dpr aaa?

[wooden stratus]

Yep

She can technically dual weild

So say if your ayaka has mistplitter

That also buffs up shenhe

[rugged falcon]

How much worse is wavebreaker than calamity?

[ripe cedar]

weapon calcs

@rugged falcon

[rugged falcon]

Wow like 20%

[scarlet stone]

do note its 20% on a sub DPS who would usually make up at most make up around 30% damage in a comp, an in Ayaka/Ganyu comps even lower, so it doesnt translate to much value in ateam setting

[rugged falcon]

Oh is it only her damage and not her buffing potential?

[scarlet stone]

yes, weapons only increase her own damage unless its called favonius or sacrifical where they equates to more energy for the team

her own damage here includes quills her team procs for her

[ripe cedar]

So 8k per rotation does include quills right

in 2 cryo per team?

[scarlet stone]

yes

[rugged falcon]

What about buffing cryo dps how much better is calamity than wavebreaker?

[ripe cedar]

how about 3 cryos per team, do you have the calcs?

[scarlet stone]

nope

im busy and not really in a great mental state to do more calcs

you can ask ayzel for that

im focusing on writing the shenhe guide and dealing with other stuff

[rocky mirage]

Is talent lvl above 8 worth it tor shenhe?

On E*

[ripe cedar]

thanks anyway

[scarlet stone]

go for 9 on E, then stop

crown is a matter of preference

Q can be left at 6, 8, or 9 again on preference

dont lv AA at all

her usual increase from E is 5% per level, and talent is cheap

so

no reason not to

though you can keep her at 80/90

since she doesnt benefit that much from levels outside of atk

[rocky mirage]

Yea that was my original plan, but i wanted to make sure it made sense dmg wise. Since going from talent 8-9 includes having to go 80/80 to 80/90 resin wise

[rugged falcon]

Is it worth going calamity queller if I have wavebreaker?

[rocky mirage]

Do u have refines?

[rugged falcon]

No

I don’t have favoniua lance either

[rocky mirage]

Heres the weapon sheet

#913131898266587148 message

[rugged falcon]

I know buts that’s only shenhe personal damage

[rocky mirage]

Personal is including quills

In this sheet

[rugged falcon]

Does shenhe even do good damage?

[wooden stratus]

Like on her own?

Unsure

[rocky mirage]

Shes sort of an invisible dps, but depending on your team stats, her quills can become pretty hefty

[rugged falcon]

Yeah if it isn’t then 20% more damage from calamity isn’t big in team

Does calamity buff team damage btw? Or is it just her talent and passive?

[rocky mirage]

It just gives her a shitload of attack

[rugged falcon]

So she doesn’t buff team based on her attack?

[rocky mirage]

Buff is a bit of a misnomer

The best wsy ive heard it explained is she provided ammo for your cryo dps guns

Quills is her damage

Her E also does buff in the traditional sense

15% na and ca on hold and 15% burst and skill on tap

[rugged falcon]

What is quills

ooo I’m reading the passive right now

She does boost damage based on her attack

[rocky mirage]

But just some quick napkin math for you. If u have 3k attack and talent 8. Quills do a base damge of .73* 3000. Or 2190 per quill. Lets assume ur host char has a cryo dmg goblet and 2pc blizzard set for simplicity. 46.6+ 15(blizz)+15(shen buff)= 76.6 dmg%bonus. Lets also asuume cdamage of 150 bonus.

So 2190* 1.766* 2.5 = 9.668 per quill before enemy def

U get 5 quills every 10 seconds per unit

For arguments sake assume ur main dps, subdps and shen herself can trigger quills and have similar bonuses

Thats 15 quills every 10 second on tap

Assuming crits and before enemy def thats..

[rugged falcon]

ok

[rocky mirage]

15* 9,668= 145,020 before enemy defenses

In conclusion its highly variable depending on your dmg bonuses and crit stats of your trigger units

Shen herself wont get as much from her own quills as say an ayaka

[rugged falcon]

Yeah

[rocky mirage]

And then u got wild cards like kazuha who can add 40% dmg bonus to everyones cryo and also trigger quills despite being anemo

[rugged falcon]

What I wanna know is then for Ayaka shenhe team how much more damage does Ayaka do if shenhe has calamity compared to wavebreaker.

[rocky mirage]

So for that. Ur best bet is to use a calc since your ayaka is different from others however it is my understanding that sitris weapon chart has already calculated all the variables in a kqm standard team

U have to read the assumptions if ur team more or less is similar to thst in assumptiond, its a good reference for your personal gains from making those weapon choices

If ur team diverts from thst you will wsnna do ur own math

[rugged falcon]

The calc says about 20% but isn’t that just shenhe damage?

[rocky mirage]

In assumptions you will see that all ur teamates quills are assumed under the umbrella “shenhes damage”

[wooden stratus]

Holler if need help writing it

[rocky mirage]

U can also do the napkin math like my example above to get the difference per quill if ur atk goes frim say 3k to 4k with queller

But for that example i didnt include enrmy defenses or shred from kazuha and shenhe Q

Or the dmg% bonus from kazuha passive

Thats why u gotta plug ur own numbers

But going from 3k attack to 4k attack at talent 8 puts an extra 730dmg per quill at the very
Top of the equation, which can grow very quickly depending on ur stats.

[rugged falcon]

Is shenhe c1 good?

[cold ridge]

its comfier

[chilly hinge]

its good for energy gen, and can be powerful in quickswap but there is some risk of rotation desync with it so repeat rotations will have less quills over the same time span

[frank furnace]

for something like ayaka-shenhe-kaz-mona/koko, if i aim to have more quills per ayaka Q, would c1 be a huge improvement

im thinking you could cast a second E in the middle of ayaka Q to replenish used up quills

esp if it's c2 ayaka

[chilly hinge]

You can already get a second E in at C0 if you do something like Shenhe E-Q, Kazu E-Q, Koko E, TTDS swap to Ayaka E Q, Shenhe E

So C1 could let you get a 3rd E in if you time it properly

Only issue is unless you use up a lot of time batterying, you won't be able to get in 3 Es on the next rotation, thats the critical flaw of C1 imo (besides the fact that it overwrites the buffs rather than stacks but I can live with that)

since you need to have 2 Es already off cooldown to get in 3 Es in a 20 second rotation, and each charge will refresh one at a time

[frank furnace]

in either cases (c0/c1) will you get desync issues if you aim to use a 2nd or 3rd E during ayaka's Q?

[coral onyx]

No you either just have to do your rotation well for 11sec and then complete it until 20sec rotation or just take shenhe Q being up as the time to start your second rotation.
How long your rotation ends up should depend on which character you have and how well ER tuned they are.
A 3rd shenhe E doesn't bring much DPS wise because it would delay your 2nd rotation but it would give more DPR. So if you are near clearing in 1 or 2 rotation it's probably a good C1 but it's not always significantly better

[feral garden]

Is Shenhe C2 really worth it?

[chilly hinge]

It’s mainly because I’d you want to do a perfect 20-22 second loop at C1 then you need to start with 2 charges ready to go. If you were to tap E twice at the start you’d need 20 seconds to get 2 E’s back for the next rotation, while at C0 you just use E every 10 seconds ideally so it ends up being the same. It’s just because the cooldowns need to refresh one at a time.

[rocky mirage]

Cant u just use it every 5 seconds?

Or am I misunderstanding the cd?

[ebon jackal]

No, the cooldown for the second charge begins after the first charge’s cooldown ends

So if you did two presses, it’d take 20s to get both back, and 30s if you did two holds

[rocky mirage]

Thats lame

[ebon jackal]

Lmao yeah. It’s the same as sucrose’s skill, but feels clunkier because at least she has a weapon that provides a third charge, so you don’t really notice

[wooden stratus]

Do we know shenhe’s highest mvs for NA combos

[frank furnace]

Using 2 immediately after the other would have tje same total cooldown as using the 2nd few seconds after the first right?

[chilly hinge]

yes, if you haven't done the archon quest yet you can check it out yourself, the shenhe they give you in the trial domain for the quest is C3

if you double tap E you end up with 20 seconds to get both Es back

but the first is back at 10

[rocky mirage]

In a nutshell. 1 extra E for the entire fight

[dry lion]

has anyone theorycraft filling anemo support slot with MC?

on freeze team

she can VV, 20% shred with Q and consume quill with E hold

[frank furnace]

he*

[ripe cedar]

she*

[frank furnace]

Isnt lumine the canon unselected sibling

[ripe cedar]

just fucking with u friend

[dapper jewel]

has anyone tested an ayaka ganyu shenhe kazuha team?

[obtuse glen]

According to miHoYo, they’re both canon depending upon what the player picked. They just happen to use Aether more in the promotional material

[main delta]

CN community did a poll and basically Lumine is used 2.5-3x more than Aether.

Actually, it was more like gathered public info rather than a poll.

[vapid egret]

she and he

[heady mulch]

it depends on how much you wanna invest on your cryo dps chars, i got c2 yesterday and i would say its more worth it for the extended duration than for the 15% crit dmg

but is it worth it overall? I dont think so, i got cause i have a highly invested ayaka and i enjoy shenhe playstyle and design

[rose burrow]

Does shenhe ult have more frames where your immobile then it has iframes? Because ive noticed that at the end of her burst i get hit before i have a chance to dodge, even when im spamming dodge. I dont have this problem on other characters, so im wondering if anyone else has experienced this, or if im just going crazy?

[dapper jewel]

trying to test but PMA being uncooperative - shenhe q>e kazuha e>q mona q ayaka d>q shenhe e should allow how many ayaka burst ticks to have quill? all 10 or closer to 8-9?

[mystic linden]

that might be too much time between first shenhe e and ayaka q

i do that rotation w/ sucrose + kokomi and it's right about 10s between shenhe e's, so kazuha + mona animation times would probably make her first e expire before you get to ayaka q

[dapper jewel]

i tested it a bit more against masanori

if you skip mona E you can get the first E quills for ayaka start of q

i'm mostly trying to figure out how to calculate dmg differences between using ttds and prototype on mona (and ttds vs omen vs ttds+omen if i were to get kokomi)

[pliant solar]

youre not crazy i noticed it too

the easiest way to test is to find explosive barrel

other bursts still have iframes after the hit and explosion wont hit u

but on shenhe i get blasted

[neat geyser]

Yes

I believed keqingmains has it included on the shen mechanics ticket which is gone now

just check the library actually if its there

[cold warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LofNRtI9PA this was the vid in that ticket if u couldnt find it

[ripe cedar]

Using Shenhe with Ayaka is quite hard since Shenhe wants quickswap but Ayaka use a fuckton of on field time
Maybe I should use hold E...

[wide olive]

It's quite the opposite to me. I just tap E before ayaka burst and in the middle of ayaka burst

[ripe cedar]

I use three cryos and 1 anemo
maybe that's why
it's hard using them against PMA

[astral zephyr]

On second half was easy but i used ayaka shenhe with kazu and koko

[rocky mirage]

Whose the third cryo?

[rose burrow]

if its triple cryo anemo probably diona

[sour socket]

Does Shenhe snap?

[sage nymph]

Snapshot? I believe her quills are dynamic, they do not snapshot, though I assume her burst does snapshot her stats

[chilly hinge]

her ult damage does, her quills do not

her signature weapon is essentially anti snapshot

[ripe cedar]

Ayaka, Rosaria, Jean, Shenhe

[sour socket]

Oh, I meant the quills. Ty.

[cunning hollow]

wait so let's say rosaria uses burst, then u use shenhe skill, rosaria's burst gets buffed by the quills then?

also is there any info on how valuable shenhe c1 is rn?

[rocky mirage]

That is correct

Rosaria burst lasts 12 seconds with c2 So its not that difficult to get another set of quills out of it

Main drawback of c1 is that the Cd is one at a time. Such that if u use both(tap) its still gonna take 20 seconds to get both back

In most cases that means one extra E per fight. Same drawbacks as xiao c1 i suppose

[cunning hollow]

If you dump both charges at the start, the stacks don't stack? Only refresh?

[bitter kraken]

No stack, they just refresh the number of quills

[obtuse glen]

Her ascension 4 talent does stack though, you you can get a 30% damage bonus or allow you to get both 15% damage bonuses if you want. Edit: Apparently I was misinformed about the first part

[ripe cedar]

this is a misinfo, the same bonus doesn't stack
but iirc you can get both different bonus

[full lily]

You only need to switch every 7 seconds for her E though

I find it to be fine, helps you reposition

[full lily]

Except kinda worse. At least Xiao c1 allows him more energy/more damage. Shen is a support and she buffs you for quills. Best use is to use E, use up your quills, then swap back and use second charge, then use up the quills. Rinse repeat

[rocky mirage]

Yea its my feeling. It feels like just a stepping stone to c2. For that reason i have held off. As much as i like this character, i need to see how she matures before i do something like that personally

[chilly hinge]

IMO Shenhe is a character that has her powerspikes either at the budget level of 5 star investment or at the super high whale level, and isn't that appealing at the dolphin level. Calamity Queller is alright, though it usually forces you to run ER sands (cutting quill damage by a bit) so Favonius Lance tends to be pretty close most of the time if it lets you lower ER requirements on your teammates.

[rocky mirage]

I think id agree. I went for calamity because my favonius is in use by yunjin and i play yoimiya alot. Polearms are my favorite so i dont mind having a few.

That being said, as someone who likes to change my dps with the seasons it’s typically the supports i like to overinvest

In my head any future cryo has synergy as well as future hydro mains that excel in freeze

But yea the cons just arent that entenicing

[lost echo]

Is Shenhe Q worth leveling past 6?

[pliant solar]

the cryo shred scales with talent level so yea

[neat geyser]

I was hoping that it would stop at like 8

[pliant solar]

i left it at 9

not worth the crown for the last 1%

[lost echo]

Alright thanks

Definitely crowning the E though

[ebon jackal]

Triple crown her you cowards

[lost echo]

Send the mora and books

[wooden stratus]

ikr

i have 3.7atk lmao

cq at lvl86 bcuz i ran out of ores

what's the normal amount of atk for shenhe c0 + cq

5000

monka

im running ER sands

[full lily]

Lol I’m not taking that and E to 9. I only have one Cryo DPS. When I get another one that I really like, I’ll invest heavier in Shenhe. But at this moment in time? Shenhe/Rosaria/Diona are all viable Cryo supports for my Moryana-type set up and I just refuse to invest too heavy into any specific one without further time

[pliant solar]

in that case e is more important then

[full lily]

I do suspect that Shenhe is quite future proof (in this case? Mhy would genuinely be ridiculous to create mechanics specifically disadvantaging Cryo JUST to nerf Shenhe) so I’m excited to see where her future is in Genshin

[full lily]

yeah ik. Gonna take both of them to 6 at the moment, maybe take e to 8, see how that feels

[rose burrow]

true but they are likely to add mechanics specifically disadvantaging cry to nerf ganyu and ayaka, at which point the rest of the cryo gang suffers

[slow sparrow]

I think they've kinda done it

With bosses in abyss

I'm just gonna expect more unfreezables in the future, and Shenhe would still work

Unless they start putting things that are straight up immune to cryo or have stupid high resistance, which I really really doubt they'll do

[chilly hinge]

Shenhe is good for non freeze cryo teams and can work with potential future non ATK scaling cryo units as well, I think she'll always be a viable option with future cryo units, though not always best in slot ofc

[full lily]

I doubt it. Disadvantaging Cryo doesn’t make sense - Pyro would have to be nerfed first. And tbh the world where the game begins to actively sabotage elements just to nerf characters is the world where I don’t wanna play the game/deal in meta anymore

[wooden stratus]

Why would pyro need to be nerfed

[sage nymph]

do any of the elements need to be nerfed?

freeze is pretty crazy and swirl is kinda busted, but when i think of balance for elements i think of changing geo reactions, though even then geo is in a decent spot and crystallize can help with damage mitigation

genshin is in that spot where it's not a perfectly balanced game, but it is still balanced well enough to wear the average lay person on a discord server will probably fuck it up if they try to change the balance lol

that being said nerf bennet

[vapid egret]

pyro is fine

[latent thicket]

what is shenhe's er requirements with chongyun

[full lily]

Someone suggested they nerf Cryo bc Cryo has a lot of top DPS. Under that requirement… nerf Pyro first, it also has a lot of top DPS

[wooden stratus]

Hu tao xiangling

[full lily]

Didn’t mean to say Pyro needs to be nerfed but also I feel like the context could easily be found there

Pyro does not need to be nerfed, for the record, it’s doing just fine

Geo is doing just fine. I wouldn’t change Geo reactions. There are a lot of self-buffing aspects Geo characters have (scaling off DEF so easier to build, the new set, a dedicated support in Gorou, strong resonance, good multipliers etc) that they don’t need reactions to do good damage

[runic fiber]

Nerf hydro application and you will nerf both pyro and cryo dps at the same time

[runic fiber]

I would be glad to have some diversity in geo reactions because for me it's the least useful reaction in the game. For example, different elemental shields could have different effects: provide some healing or deal some damage back depending on character's EM

[full lily]

I guess my point is not all reactions have to be useful

and the way Geo has entrenched itself in the meta actually suggests that creating a “useful” reaction for Geo and a “useful” reaction comp for Geo wouldn’t really make sense as to the way Geo is built

For example Geo reaction comps would nerf Gorou and as a trickledown, Noelle and Itto

[runic fiber]

what's the point of having a useless reaction in the game then?

[full lily]

In fact the only unit who would really benefit from a Geo reaction comp is Ning/Yun Jin, but Ning is doing just fine

[full lily]

To provide another way to play. The game is set up in such a way that Geos work well with other Geos, encouraging monoGeo (but not forbidding Geos from other comps)

[runic fiber]

I don't think geo reactions comp would nerf characters somehow. It's just another option. For example, you obviously would build Razor for physical damage but nobody prevents you from giving him full EM Overload build

[full lily]

Except Geo reactions comp does actively nerf Gorou? Gorou buffs best when running mono Geo

[runic fiber]

I still don't understand how geo reactions should nerf gorou

[full lily]

hm wait I guess I see what you mean. You don’t have to use Gorou or even use the full buff he provides

Like the way Shenhe encouraging monocryo doesn’t make Morgana less relevant

[runic fiber]

if he's in mono geo just use his kit, if he's outside of triple geo, you can stack EM and use geo reactions

[full lily]

idk I think that people are always talking abt boosting Geo reactions but Geo is doing just fine and doesn’t really need anything else

that’s my opinion but it’s true I can’t argue it on a theorycraft level

[runic fiber]

I think what we have with geo is a consequence rather than the reason

there was no sense to actively include geo characters in reactive comps

so the only option is to synergize geo characters by means of kits rather than elemental reactions

you can simultaneously turn itto, albedo and gorou dendro or anemo and it won't massively change their interactions

[ripe cedar]

Mihoyo could always fix Petra

Half of Anemo relevance is because of VV

[runic fiber]

it's true

I actually plan to give 4 Petra to Yunjin in Yoimiya comp

[ripe cedar]

make the dmg% buff crystal pickable by everyone and voila, gorou is now splashable in most teams

[runic fiber]

so this set got some sense now

[runic fiber]

Actually, it would be good. AP as geo variant of VV

[ripe cedar]

Zhongli is now Geo Kazuha haha

[runic fiber]

At least we'll be free to choose between geo and anemo supports

[ripe cedar]

kazuha has dmg% in his kit and got res shred from artifact
zhongli has res shred in his kit and got dmg% from artifact

[runic fiber]

indeed

[ripe cedar]

kazuha can gather
zhongli can shield

[runic fiber]

I think you had a good point. Getting read of AP limitation would instantly make geo supports better

[full lily]

this

[autumn totem]

Hey. Do we have team dps calcs for teams including Shenhe?

[heady mulch]

im using Skyward Spine for Shenhe, should i go for Calamity?

[vapid egret]

no, tc for shenhe has been abandoned since yae leaks come out, they are busy re-tcing every time yae gets a slight buff

[runic fiber]

[chilly hinge]

I have a couple of "off-meta" ones in library submissions

[sage nymph]

what makes Shenhe only 5-10% better than Rosa? I keep seeing this statistic thrown around but am wondering why exactly this is. I figured it would be because of Rosa's higher personal damage, better AoE scaling, and more particle gens, but it'd be nice to get a more definitive answer

[autumn totem]

Is this compared to rosa C6?

[autumn totem]

Rip

[autumn totem]

Just saw them, thanks!

[sage nymph]

i would assume the number referenced in the KQM vid is compared to C6 rosa, yes

[obtuse glen]

How much of a jump in support value is C3 Shenhe compared to C2 Shenhe?

[tough seal]

seems pretty okay, about a 500 effective atk boost assuming ~3500 atk shenhe

then again idk if that's worth spending $100-300 on

[obtuse glen]

I’ll probably get it on her rerun rather than buying it now then

[dapper jewel]

what would be better: going from c0 to c1 shenhe now or going from c0 ayaka to c3-c4 when she reruns

[chilly hinge]

C4 Ayaka is cracked, but obviously its a lot more primos to get to that point

[dapper jewel]

c1 shenhe not really that great though unless i was going to get c2 as well, right?

[chilly hinge]

personally I think she's fine at C0, more specific math on cons will come soon, since its a complicated question as you have to look at teamwide damage for each con

[dapper jewel]

right, but maybe not 4-5 days soon

[chilly hinge]

we might have something ready for cons by the end of the weekend, I'll post it here in advance of the guide if its helpful for pull decisions

[dapper jewel]

[lost echo]

Is 166ER good for Shenhe?

[pliant solar]

what wep?

[lost echo]

Fav Lance with 45% cr

[pliant solar]

its probably ok

depends on your other cryos

[lost echo]

I have no cryos

[pliant solar]

wait wat

[wooden stratus]

Kaeya? Rosaria?

[lost echo]

All cryo units are lvl 40

[pliant solar]

how are u gonna use shenhe

[lost echo]

I'm just using her in openworld for now. Maybe I would pull a new cryo dps for her

[full lily]

Build Chong as HP/DEF sponge and run DPS Shenhe kekw

[lost echo]

Lmao

Should be fun

[chilly hinge]

Anyone with C1 Shenhe please see my request in #834189338115309569 and let me know if you're interested in helping me out

[dapper jewel]

i don't have c1 shenhe (on the fence about getting it) but am really interested in the findings of the request you posted, especially for ayaka

[chilly hinge]

yeah I'm working on it don't worry, I'm doing the math right now I just need someone to test it out to make sure I'm not high on shencopium

[dapper jewel]

would the idea for ayaka's case be to use all the quills on the burst from both tap+hold E but then utilize the ascension % buff to normals to get higher dps on burst downtime?

[chilly hinge]

basically we know that C1's quills don't stack, it just overwrites the quills and the A4 buff, but it might be fine in 20 second rotations where you use press E to snapshot 15% elemental burst damage to a ganyu/ayaka ult, then swap to hold E to get the 15% charge attack damage bonus

that would be a continuous looping rotation

since with 3 E's theres no way to sustain that rotation in a loop

but C1 opens it up so you can start with press E, use the ult, swap and use hold E before the press E CD is up and have both E's ready for the next rotation

[dapper jewel]

hmm, the quill overwrite shouldn't be a problem for ayaka since she'll consume the first 5 on burst almost immediately, right?

[chilly hinge]

yeah and it shouldn't be a problem on ganyu either if you E-Q-1CA swap

the nice thing about shenhe is that the quills get almost autoconsumed

[wooden stratus]

If i can get c1 i think its gonna be nice for carry too

Since i can E cancel twice

N4E x2

[dapper jewel]

right, which is funny given a lot of the complaints pre-release were that she didn't have enough quills lol

i'll be curious to see what you find on this though - i have guarantee and enough pulls to get the c1 but can't decide if i want to do that or save it

[chilly hinge]

there's a reason that we give disclaimers in TC to be careful and use your primos responsibly, like don't overvalue what the math says, since at the end of the day most sheets are pretty optimized and show max possible potential

[chilly hinge]

this is ironic since her damage % bonus buffs and shred increase damage by a lot more than her quills do in most teams with a cryo hypercarry

[dapper jewel]

yeah - the truth is i'm really happy w her as an ayaka support at c0 already (i have ganyu but haven't even tested shenhe with her yet), mostly just interested in any cool uses for c1 that might make me decide to get it

[chilly hinge]

I currently have C1 as a 8% increase in a Shenhe C1/Ganyu C0 rotation where you press E-Q on Shenhe, E-Q-CA on Ganyu, hold E on Shenhe, then do 5 CAs and 1 more E on Ganyu. The actual increase for Ganyu's DPS without quills is only 3%, the rest of their combined damage comes from the 2 extra quills, so the the increase could be slightly more in triple cryo teams that also use snapshotting units

[ripe cedar]

@chilly hinge what's the request details

[chilly hinge]

I’m going to bed now but basically I need someone to record the rotation listed in my comment above (or a similar version with Ayaka)

If you have questions I’ll get to them tomorrow (dms preferred) but now I’m gonna sleep on not be able to answer further messages for now

[neat geyser]

Press E and hold E stacks from what I remember the passive effect not the quills iirc

[fleet thistle]

When ganyu banner is up I’ll take a gander at your request and get a few people to test this out

[fleet thistle]

Two variations of E can work as they are different buffs, quills do not stack, multiple E hold/press does not stack if it’s of the same buff

It’s actually really nice, your quills will have two uptimes where everyone explodes

In one rotate

[neat geyser]

Yeah I know

[fleet thistle]

Just agreeing with what you said since you said iirc

[neat geyser]

[frank furnace]

ayaka-shenhe-venti/VV-koko
vs
ayaka-mona-venti/vv-diona/rosa
?

[cold ridge]

i dont have calcs to back this up bt i believe shenhe would be better for single target while rosaria would be better for aoe

as for mona vs kokomi mona has more buffs but kokomi has better freeze uptime

[chilly hinge]

Yeah but it doesn’t really matter if the bursts snapshot it anyway, since if you use the other charge on hold E the first A4 buff expires after 10 seconds, which won’t matter due to snapshot

At C0 you can do press E twice in 20 seconds for 10 quills per person, at C1 you can do press E once, snapshot the A4 buff, then hold E to get the other buff, and then you’d get 12 quills per person in total. At C0 you can’t use both press and hold E in one 20 second rotation

[mystic linden]

about the request board post, shenhe's %dmg buffs can't be snapshot anyway, like every other dmg buff that doesn't show on character sheet

you can tap E after ayaka/ganyu burst and the burst will get 15% dmg

[chilly hinge]

I mean the A4 buff is snapshotted and the quills use the snapshotted driver stats

[mystic linden]

a4 buff can't be snapshot

[chilly hinge]

there is not evidence of this in this KQM TCL

[mystic linden]

probably because it's generally true for non-elemental dmg buffs and don't need to be said for each case

geo resonance, raiden e

[chilly hinge]

thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will look into this and revise sheet materials accordingly

[chilly hinge]

yeah I just did a quick test and it looks like you were correct, unfotunately this mechanic is missing from KQM TCL and other sources like the genshin wiki (it just mentions quills being dynamic) so I'll have to get it updated. Thanks for bringing this to my attention since I had honestly not heard anyone mention non elemental damage bonuses being dynamic before, but it makes sense now

for C0 this shouldn't be a problem since you'll want to press E off cooldown anyway

but for C1, it will lower the value slightly for Ganyu at least

Ayaka should be unaffected

[autumn totem]

Same reason Sara C6 can't be snapshot

[chilly hinge]

Yeah I knew that about crit damage buffs but didn’t expect non elemental damag bonuses to work that way

[autumn totem]

Yeah

If it buffs something that's not on your character attribute list, it doesn't snapshot

[chilly hinge]

everyday you learn something new

[frank furnace]

i know it depends on the unit activating quills but how much damage can quills proc deal with a typical c0r1 ayaka?

hard to gauge how bad/good shenhe is if her damage is invisible

[rocky mirage]

If u want a general idea. I think xlice runs some general numbers to give u a ballpark and its an easy watch

[rocky mirage]

Jump to 6:48. with any YT grain of salt, but i think it will give u the ballpark answer ur looking for

https://youtu.be/sqsh8GG6kB0

[frank furnace]

thanks

[silver ermine]

ligma

okay nice

[neat geyser]

@silver ermine u can pretty much discuss everything shenhe here without worries from sudden interruptions from trolling and such from tc chat

[silver ermine]

thanks

[silver ermine]

I am a bit lost in WFP sometimes cuz big server

so thanks once again

[ripe cedar]

60%, good enough

[chilly hinge]

With Kazuha and mistsplitter an Ayaka quill can do around 12-13K with super high investment. With Anemona it’s around 9-10K

I’m TCing Ayaka/Shenhe now

working on Shenhe cons now that the snapshotting issue is resolved

[frank furnace]

is this from the self-reported stats site?

isnt 60% kinda low for a new character

[frank furnace]

what snapshotting issue

[chilly hinge]

Ayaka can't snapshot the 15% damage bonus from Shenhe press E, so rotations with C1 that throw in a hold E after the ult lose a bit of damage, thats the tldr

[ripe cedar]

as a niche character she's not bad honestly

[frank furnace]

so it's a bug and it's fixed now?

[obtuse glen]

Nah, just a misinterpretation

[chilly hinge]

no its not a bug, I was talking about a mistake in my own sheets due to my own misunderstanding of elementary snapshotting theory

tldr, my math was wrong because me dumb

[frank furnace]

but she actually can snapshot E press passive? the +15% Q/E dmg?

[obtuse glen]

No, she cannot snapshot it

[chilly hinge]

At C0 it isn't a big deal since you can have 100% uptime, its only if you want to use C1 to get 2 extra quills and buff Ayaka N2Cs

[frank furnace]

but why/how

wait we're all talking about the +15% buff from a4 right? this one

[chilly hinge]

these abilities cannot be snappshotted

yes, don't worry I was as confused as you this morning

basically if only ATK, Def, Crit Rate and elemental damage bonus buffs can be snapshot, everything else like crit damage and non elemental damage bonus can't be snapshot

I'm uploading my own testing

[frank furnace]

oh so it's a buff issue not a Q issue

like xiangling's Q won't snapshot raiden's E when it ends?

[chilly hinge]

yeah its just the mechanics being coded weirdly

basically

I do the same thing with XL in this clip that's taking 8 days to upload

[frank furnace]

but shenhe Q effect should snapshot right

[chilly hinge]

Yes, its an element damage buff so that is snapshot

[frank furnace]

is it possible to always wait for a second shenhe E before you cast ayaka Q

so you can have 10 quills more or less through out ayaka Q

[frank furnace]

but that pick rate most likely has some 'new character effect' doesnt it

[chilly hinge]

you can just recast it in the middle of the ult