Shenhe Thread

[dapper jewel]

maybe easier to time if ayaka does d e q instead?

ayaka burst is just really fast lol

[wooden stratus]

@fleet thistle https://youtu.be/PMNAbF6ZI60

It's been done

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burning-gif-8869638

[frank furnace]

Dafuq's a newgana

[neat geyser]

The one with rosa

Idk

[dapper jewel]

it's the like quickswap team

ganyu, venti, mona, rosaria

[neat geyser]

The 15s rot

[dapper jewel]

yeah

i think shenhe doesn't work in it, smoothly at least, bc of the 15sec

[neat geyser]

She extends it

Back to 20sec

Which nothing really changes that much

[silver kraken]

Shenhe team recommendation?

[neat geyser]

Thats literally just back to gap filling with like Ganyu CAs

[dapper jewel]

yeah true

i haven't tested shenhe w ganyu at all yet tbh

still trying to figure out rotations in ayaka setup

[frank furnace]

Eternal ice of the lonely Gamabucha

[silver kraken]

What's that?

[frank furnace]

I dunno. Some random team name.

[silver kraken]

Who are the characters?

[frank furnace]

Anyone

[dapper jewel]

testing it out actually feels pretty good

[mystic linden]

that's what i've been doing, here you can see the enemy hp bar go down quickly, then slowly, then quickly again after second shenhe E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWObygp567E

[dapper jewel]

what do you guys think would be more valuable to shenhe/ayaka/kazuha/mona team: c1 shenhe or kokomi in for mona?

[mystic linden]

not c1 shenhe

one extra cast of E for your first rotation is not a big difference

[dapper jewel]

makes sense

is kokomi still worth getting on rerun or just stick with mona?

i guess it kind of depends what sorts of enemies we are facing

[mystic linden]

depends on how well you play

[dapper jewel]

that too

[mystic linden]

freeze teams can get by most content w/o healing

but then occasionally you run into fights where you get overwhelmed w/o heals

[dapper jewel]

yeah the only issue i've ever run into w freeze is the large dogs because of their movement, but it's still passable w/o a healer

i guess the other consideration is if there will be more bosses in f12, how valuable is hydro then

[mystic linden]

triple kenki is really hard w/o healing or a shield, for instance

but they're going away soon and idk if they'll ever come back

mona is still valuable against bosses because you get omen for ayaka's burst

[dapper jewel]

right omen + bosses is actually why i considered if kokomi is even worth going for...

and yeah kenki is annoying, i use hu tao on that side, but they're being replaced by other bosses next week right?

i forget which ones

[mystic linden]

PMA and primo vishap i think

and a bunch of lectors/herald

[rocky mirage]

is anyone using ganyu, mona, shenhe, kazuha?

and if so where in the roation are you doing ganyu CA attacks

[dapper jewel]

primo vishap kinda wants a shield i guess, maybe it's doable without?

PMA isn't too bad for freeze no healer i think?

[mystic linden]

PMA attacks are easy to avoid, primo attacks have weird hitboxes that i always have trouble with

i don't have a whole lot of experience w/ that boss

[dapper jewel]

i have fought it w the ayaka shenhe team a few times just to test damage

it isn't too bad of a fight w/o healer or shield

but the one in abyss will have way more hp so it may be difficult

[frank furnace]

Is there no updated evaluation of shenhe's value?

Is she a bis in any freeze comp

[fleet thistle]

pins

[frank furnace]

Yeah whoch one

The pinned faq is a prereleasr one

[fleet thistle]

sitri recent recent

yesterday poste

[frank furnace]

The one with which sets to run?

[fleet thistle]

yeah

and below that is some sheets

[frank furnace]

Yeah on how to build shenhe

[pliant solar]

i think he wants a tldr on pull value

general power level etc

[fleet thistle]

Think the pin explains it well too since it talks about teams.
can make conclusion from there

[frank furnace]

For now it only seems like a guide on how to force shenhe on things and make the most out of her

I.e shenhe's best comps not comps where shenhe is best.

[frank furnace]

I.e. if youre getting her regardless

[fleet thistle]

But if you want a second opinion, She's great in cyro teams generally since she makes your initial hits power houses with quills.
Not as an amazing pull if you don't have a cyro dps team to suit all her buffs

[frank furnace]

I have ayaka and im considering pulling for ganyu as well Ganyu can clearly impr9ve my ayaka should i run ayaka-hydro-vv-ganyu/cryo

Would shenhe be a better one for pushinh an ayaka freeze comp team

[fervent beacon]

Shenhe is the better support for ayaka in freeze comp

[frank furnace]

And is it best to replace diona with shenhe or should shenhe replace vv or mona in a freeze team

[fervent beacon]

I have both ganyu and Shenhe

The most you get out of ganyu support for ayaka is the extra energy particles from her ult and cryo damage boost when in the area of her burst

Shenhe outperforms that just with her talent by far

and then you also have the added bonus of Shenhe burst reducing cryo resistance and at lv 70 unlocking talent which boost burst damage by 15% and autos for 10 seconds

[frank furnace]

As far as running a freeze comp is concerned - whether ganyu or ayaka, is shenhe in any of the best comp for a freeze/morgana variation

[frank furnace]

I see. Tho ganyu seems to be a good pull regardless since there are other comps she could run, no?

[fervent beacon]

Currently a lot of players are running Shenhe Mona ayaka and then anemo fill in

[frank furnace]

Oh thats one thing im also not sure, is one cryo other than shenhe enough?

[fervent beacon]

Yes it goes without it saying ganyu is amazing but if ur looking to support ur ayaka and improve her the most then Shenhe will be able to do that

[frank furnace]

I dont mind benching ayaka. I think what im mostly looking for is just the best freeze team.

And if shenhe is that groundbreaking for any ayaka comp that i should skip ganyu for her.

[fervent beacon]

For me I havnt had a problem with energy recharge because I have high energy recharge for my team in general so I believe that it’s just dependent on how much energy recharge u have on urs

But I would say it’s safe to have at least 130% energy recharge on Shenhe

[frank furnace]

I was mostly concerned about not being able to consume quills in all 4 units.

If it's just the anemo, 1 cryo and shenhe using them up

Is yhat good enough

[fervent beacon]

speaking for myself just the added bonus for ayaka is insane

[frank furnace]

Assuming this is freeze

[fervent beacon]

My ayaka burst went from ticking 14k to 22k

[frank furnace]

For how many ticks

Dont the added bonus fro quills appear as the active unit's own damage?

Thats how it works right

[fervent beacon]

Yes

Ayaka is ur main dps newayz so having other characters using icy quills isn’t that viable

Since ayaka outputs the most and by the time u use them Shenhe skill is ready again

[frank furnace]

Can shenhe replace vv

[fervent beacon]

yes

[frank furnace]

In most cryo/freeze comps

Hmm i see

Is it correct to say shenhe doesnt really open up new team comps? Just pushes the limit of certain ones

By replacing some units

[fervent beacon]

Yes definitely pushes

Shenhe is the ultimate cyro support

[frank furnace]

Unlike how other hydro unit's value is in freeing up xq

[fervent beacon]

She’s a nice addition and you definitely see the difference in damage but don’t expect much outside of support role

My favorite teams to play with her so far are

Venti Shenhe ayaka xingqiu
Shenhe ayaka xingqui Chongyun

I think Shenhe is viable with any team that has at least one cyro and hydro unit

[frank furnace]

Oh ok. Ithought she needs at least two more other cryo lol

[pliant solar]

shenhe is an alternative to rosa in the new morgana team

execution wise im not sure

the good thing about the new morgana rotation is its 15s infinite looping with no ganyu CAs

[frank furnace]

New morgana?

[pliant solar]

with shenhe youre back to 20s so it pretty much plays like og morgana with diona

venti ganyu mona rosa

mona holds prototype amber

all 60 cost and cds line up very nicely for an infinite loop

[frank furnace]

Is this with either rosa or shenhe

[pliant solar]

with rosa

with shenhe youre delaying to 20s for her burst

so u have to do a couple ganyu CAs to fill

[frank furnace]

Fav lance rosa?

[pliant solar]

any spear would work i guess

shes already a battery herself

[frank furnace]

I see

[pliant solar]

ive tried both

shenhe has aoe advantage and the fact that quills literally cant miss

dpr im not sure

[fervent beacon]

Ganyu charge attacks use all of Shenhe quills very fast though which is the downside

[frank furnace]

Assuming theres no hard counter to cryo on f12, what are the best two freeze comps right now

Will it need kokomi

[pliant solar]

nah the quills are gonna be all gone through ganyu's q before u can land a ca

but that doesnt really matter its still damage

[fervent beacon]

No

[pliant solar]

koko is a good pick but not necessary

[fervent beacon]

I’ve used Shenhe ayaka diona mona for the first half of floor 12 and had no problem

Only using diona for the heals

Since the wolfhounds were annoying to deal with

[pliant solar]

for ayaka and ganyu teams omen sounds a lot better

especialyl for ayaka q

[frank furnace]

Yeah what if my aim is to eventually have two freeze teams for abyss

[pliant solar]

then yea youll need to get another hydro

[frank furnace]

Just run xq with ayaka? Skip koko?

[pliant solar]

i think sitri said xq with ayaka is not that great

lemmie check

[frank furnace]

Well ive been running xq with ayaka since i dont have mona lol

[fervent beacon]

I actually prefer Xq over mona with my ayaka 🥲

[frank furnace]

It feels clunky if you cant ult ayaka off cd

[fervent beacon]

But usually xq is bound to my hutao for 2nd half

[frank furnace]

And mobs sometimes unfreeze while cssting ayaka q

An off field hydro app would be nice

[pliant solar]

the thing with mona is omen is the perfect duration for ayaka q

and given how big ayaka's q is in her dmg distribution it makes sense to buff it

but gotta make do with what u have

[frank furnace]

What would be the ganyu alternative then

If you remove mona

[pliant solar]

xq will work and if youre looking for 2 freeze teams then xq isnt contended by team 2

[frank furnace]

While still wanting to run freeze ganyu

[pliant solar]

with shenhe?

mono cryo i guess

[frank furnace]

Any. Assuming you got/can have c0 units you need

[pliant solar]

id say venti ganyu shenhe koko

u press everything and then go on field koko to freeze

in practice im not sure about energy and venti infusion

[frank furnace]

Kaz for the kther team?

[pliant solar]

kaz with ayaka yea

[frank furnace]

My problrm with my ayaka team right now (ayaka, xq, venti/sucrose, diona) is it kinda needs the anemo Q to be hydro infused

For better freeze uptime

Lest mobs run away from ayaka Q lol

[pliant solar]

the problem with koko is even during freeze if theres enough hydro the anemo abilities will absorb hydro

for ayaka its fine cause she has diona to battery

but if youre doing venti ganyu shenhe koko

u really want cryo infusion for the energy

else shenhe's er reqs just go up

[frank furnace]

I see

[pliant solar]

afaik because mona has such shit hydro app even when her e is on field venti still absorbs cryo

[frank furnace]

Hopefully ayato opens up some more freeze comp possibilities

[fervent beacon]

One thing to note is that with Shenhe she makes it so team comps don’t need to be freeze

that’s what I struggled with at first when getting her

[pliant solar]

yea im playing aroudn with mono cryo and its working pretty well

[frank furnace]

Just glad/shim/NO on units?

[fervent beacon]

but now that I know I don’t have to have a hydro in my team it makes picking teams so much more flexible

Glad and shim is the way to go for Shenhe

[fervent beacon]

I think that if he has good hydro application and crowd control it will be a game changer

[pliant solar]

yea im excited for him

we just need more hydro units in general

[wooden stratus]

hm

[pliant solar]

on shenhe?

[frank furnace]

On all of thsoe units in mono cryo team with shenhe

[wooden stratus]

for the F2p btw shenhe comp with rosa kaeya and bennett

is it possible to replace bennett with jean

[pliant solar]

depends on what u have i think 4bs will still be better on your carry

40cr is pretty achievable and set adds another 20

[cold ridge]

yes

[wooden stratus]

4 pc vv?

[cold ridge]

yes

you definetely want vv

[wooden stratus]

atk/anemo/crit on her?

also what arts are on kaeya and rosa

[cold ridge]

yes you pretty much always go adc on her unless some specific situations

kaeya and rosa would like mixture of 2 glad 2 shime 2 bs or 2 noblesse

[wooden stratus]

oh ok coolz

[pliant solar]

shenhe 4no, kaeya rosa 4bs, 2no or bs/2glad or sr

depends on subs id say

[cold ridge]

why 4 bs

team doesnt have a hydro

[pliant solar]

even without freeze its still 15% cryo and 20cr

im going by sitri's numbers he said its about 14% loss without freeze

its not bad but if u have better noble or glad/sr pieces just use that

farming 2 sets of 4bs is pain anyway

[cold ridge]

ahh yeah tru

[pliant solar]

no math but in my head going for more crit/dmg% would benefit mono cryo with shenhe cause quills scale off those

[cold ridge]

yeah so ig noblesse or bs set mixture would be more beneficial than glad or shime

[pliant solar]

yea 2bs 2no should be reasonable to aim for

[wooden stratus]

👍

i'll do that then

[astral zephyr]

It is not that bad but there are better options

[frank furnace]

anyone got vid of c0~c6 shenhe with meltganyu

[coral onyx]

Shenhe isn't used for melt Ganyu
And especially not C6 Shenhe

[ripe cedar]

shenhe is used for cryo zhongli, yes?

[night ruin]

My Shenhe could be kinda cracked for a f2p but I don't have fav lance

I'm running Deathmatch for now

Pls mhy gods, give me a Spine or a Jade from my standard banner pity

What's the dmg loss if I run a crit rate mask instead of an atk one?

[ripe cedar]

you can always get a royal spear I guess

[night ruin]

I won't get another copium spear. I've already gotten a second Deathmatch, a Proto Crescent and a Blackliff in case I need to mix and match.

Using HuTao,Thoma,Shenhe and Rosa in the same Abyss is tough .

[dapper jewel]

Depends on the substats I guess - I have a crit circlet with 25 atk% but haven’t tested it yet

[night ruin]

If/When I somehow get Spine or Fav I'll switch to 4 NO with a Crit Rate circlet to have a respectable ratio.

For now I'll stay with Deathmatch on Shenhe and I'll run 2 Glad/2Shime with an Atk% circlet.

[dapper jewel]

I have spine but I’m sticking with 2glad2shim since I have cracked substats for it and don’t have basically any noblesse pieces I can use…going back to noblesse domain sounds so unappealing lmao

I guess I could always feed all the bloodstained pieces into boxes for more noblesse pieces

[night ruin]

My 2Glad/2Shime is slightly better than the Noblesse I can offer (I also use NO on Benny, Diona, Thoma and a 2-piece on Xingqiu so I've farmed it a lot) so I can change between them. Problem is, I only got atk% Glad Circlet and crit rate% NO Circlet so I can't mix and match my main stats.

[sour socket]

Are people not using Ayaka still because basically no one has both Kokomi and Kazuha?

[astral zephyr]

[silent raven]

In ganyu,ayaka,mona,venti team would it do more dpr if i replace ganyu with shenhe?

[wide olive]

what is ayaka's ER in that team?

[astral zephyr]

Around 120 but I use Inazuma craftable sword

[dapper jewel]

i just tested same teams but ttds mona in for kokomi and yunjin in for sucrose, was surprised to pretty comfortably 9* with only 1 reset

i have only 127 ER on my ayaka but kazuha uses favonius

[astral zephyr]

So technically no healer for first team?

[astral zephyr]

If it is anemona sword then it is more than fine

[dapper jewel]

it's mistsplitter

but it was enough with favonius on kazuha

[dapper jewel]

yeah no heals, it was OK for wolves, i got a card to heal when using burst on one chamber and took it just to make it smoother

i think it would be fine w/o though, might just require a couple resets if i mess up and if it's vs wolves

[astral zephyr]

Heal cards are rare

[dapper jewel]

if it's not wolves or unfreezable boss it's whatever though

since the only damage i took was from corrosion hitting through burst i-frame

[astral zephyr]

I don't like resetting because I didn't have a heal

This is why I use kokomi and benched mona

[dapper jewel]

yeah i don't either

[astral zephyr]

[dapper jewel]

but i'm waiting for kokomi rerun

so i go with mona for now

[astral zephyr]

I see people running proto amber mona

[dapper jewel]

i'm gonna see if i can get away w it again once abyss resets, but if it's too much i'll swap her off ttds for prototype amber

[astral zephyr]

I don't know much about that

[dapper jewel]

yeah exactly

i'm thinking about it bc i have 9 catalyst billets and could make an r5 one

just not sure if it's worth giving up the ttds buff for ayaka

[astral zephyr]

It is not like there are many good craftable catalysts

[astral zephyr]

That's up to you I guess

I run 4tom + ttds on kokomi

[dapper jewel]

yeah i'm less worried about the billets than the weapon xp/mora lmao

[dapper jewel]

that's what i'm gonna use if i get kokomi - i already have a high ER 4tenacity set on mona that's ready to swap lol

[astral zephyr]

In the end mona version is probably more DMG, I don't know if it is a lot or not much but I can't give up kokomi comfiness

[coral onyx]

Yes but you'd need a really good Shenhe setup for it, no point in switching otherwise

[dapper jewel]

yeah the omen damage boost is just massive...i want to pull for kokomi on her rerun even if i end up continuing to use mona in the team, just for situations where i want faster hydro application from jellyfish and/or the healing

[astral zephyr]

I'm pretty curious for the comparison, but I don't know if anyone have done any calcs about that

[dapper jewel]

it shouldn't be too hard to figure out right? if mona and kokomi are both holding ttds and 4pc tenacity the only difference is the 58% dmg bonus from omen at lvl 9 Q

so just subtract that from dmg formula

it should end up being pretty significant, esp w shenhe quills

[astral zephyr]

Last I know mona Energy req are pretty high, if you consider substats standard then it is not that easy to run ttds on her

Don't know if anything changed

[dapper jewel]

Yeah the energy for Mona is the only issue - I have her at 232 and it’s been okay since I swapped kazuha to favonius, but I wouldn’t mind getting a couple more er subs for her tbh

[astral zephyr]

[dapper jewel]

favonius weapons are honestly so good i wish i swapped kazuha off iron sting sooner

[astral zephyr]

You need some crit rate for that

I'd like R5 fav weapons

Then it wouldn't be that bad

[dapper jewel]

yeah i got pretty lucky to roll enough crit for kazuha and yunjin to use them, my spear is r5 but sword is only r3...it usually always procs on kazuha though because his skill hits so many times vs more than 1 enemy

[sour socket]

Would Ayaka Shenhe Mona Freedom-Sworn Jean work?

[clever yarrow]

define work, youll have trouple w/ grouping enemies and i think only ayaka can use the quills but other than that its fine

in mono cryo (ayaka/ganyu/kazuha/shenhe) should shenhe be running glad/shim or 4nob?

[pastel portal]

They're very close in performance. I went 2glad2shim bc better atk% and er% rolls

You can check the spreadsheets previously posted. I think they're within 1% of eachother.

[clever yarrow]

ah okay, ill just go w/ the one w/ better substats then

i was looking at the sheets but wasnt sure

[pastel portal]

Also depends on comp and constellations

On a mono cryo comp where you just spam everyone's Q because of the amount of energy generated, NO could be better depending on the content (I still use 2/2 in this situation tho bc c6)

[plucky jay]

is rosaria kokomi shenhe ayaka good team comp?

[pastel portal]

I'd replace Rosa for a VV debuffer but that's good

[plucky jay]

was playing that but mona instead of kokomi, felt really smooth, just mona freeze was so cancer so wanted to know about this

also the shenhe was able to buff rosaria, shenhe herself and ayaka ult twice, so didnt think a vv shreder wouldve made much of diff(no kazuha)

[full lily]

hey Shenhe fans

…h how do I play this character I never meant to get

[lapis crow]

📌

[full lily]

okay but what do I need to be doing

[lapis crow]

mono cryo or freeze teams

i don't play them so uhhh, i guess wait for someone who knows to explain?

[neat quail]

Use Q and E before other cryo damage happens, do buffed cryo damage on other units, use E again, repeat on a 20s ish rotation

[rocky mirage]

^

Thats a great tldr

[tawdry torrent]

do you ever use hold e vs press?

[dapper jewel]

I don’t but maybe there’s a situation that I’m not aware of where it’s better

[ripe cedar]

I'm training against wolflord now with ganyu and shenhe
that thing flies a lot but Ganyu's charged shot can reach it
I'm using the hold E version because it adds to Ganyu's charged shot dmg%

[rocky mirage]

I use it in open world

Because not every fight do i wanna cycle all my bursts

Sometimes a hold E Q and CA spam will end the fight

I would probably say the same at the end of a floor where u just wanna clean up the stragglers

[neat quail]

I almost always tap so I can use it twice in 20s

[dapper jewel]

Actually that’s a good point in open world hold e + kazuha hold e is my go to

[fossil leaf]

how viable is shenhe in eula tema

[clever yarrow]

Do you think it would be better to give 4nob to ayaka or ganyu then and run 2shim/glad on shenhe?

[pastel portal]

If you're playing ganyu for Q buffs only, 2 nob could work very well if it's a good set

specially if you have her at C4

[elfin vessel]

with ganyu/mona/venti would the last slot be better as shenhe with spine or mistsplitter ayaka

[tough seal]

ngl i don't mind shenhe in my eula team, i run eula/raiden/benny/shenhe and what she brings to it (15% burst damage + 15ish% res shred + very nice boost to eula's cryo damage) is pretty noticeable. of course, there are better units for that comp and better uses of shenhe, but imo you could do worse

[frank furnace]

so uh

are shenhe's proportions custom or is it just some optical illusion with her layers/clothing

[pliant solar]

probably custom

teyvat has weird clothes

parts that look like metal but is flexible

no idea what this material is but given how it has depth

its like 1cm thick leather no idea how u can walk around in that

[frank furnace]

like are her hips wider

[pliant solar]

they really do look wider

but so does eula's ass

model size i think its the same as jean but its the clothes material

even tho genshin chars uses body templates they in inflate or shrink some parts without messing up the rigging

[frank furnace]

rigging?

clipping?

[pliant solar]

yea

its like a fat person

same skeleton

but things start to clip if u inflate areas too much

game cant do flesh creases as well as irl so it just clips

thats probably also why itto has noodle arms

[frank furnace]

yeah

[maiden canyon]

My Shenhe build, just got her like 2 hours ago

[astral zephyr]

that circlet

[maiden canyon]

Yeah.. she need a bit of def

[astral zephyr]

This is mine, I probably need more ER to be safe

[pliant solar]

thats some fat def

i just grabbed the good glad and sr sets i farmed over time

[wooden stratus]

I have 160 er on her w catch

[feral garden]

I have only like 2.6k ATK on her w/Fav spear & Noblesse

[frank furnace]

have people actually discovered anything new regarding shenhe between pre-release and now?

[ripe cedar]

C1 doesnt stack the quills, but stack the buffs

[frank furnace]

which buffs? the a4 passive?

[ripe cedar]

yes

so holding E twice, for example, gives you 30% to all attack
tapping E twice gives you 30% to all skill and burst

good for bursting purposes

[astral zephyr]

Didn't know that

[bold flame]

Against multiple enemies shenhe buff provides less dmg increase in burst and skill ?

[ripe cedar]

the quill is limited, but burst stays the same

[bold flame]

Can you explain a bit more about shenhe and multiple ? Like quill are pre distributed?

[ripe cedar]

Using shenhe's skill gives everyone in your party consumable set of quills.
It works like ammo, it gives huge damage that you use by doing attack/skill/burst that have cryo damage

[bold flame]

Yes, but against single target gives more dmg increase?

[astral zephyr]

No total DMG is the same

[ripe cedar]

no more like using against single target will focus these ammo so it works better in calculation, since the quill stacks are limited
while standard buffs like Kazuha's apply to all instances of damage you do and scales better in AoE scenario

[bold flame]

Oh okay so total dmg dealt is same but is redistributed as all the quills will not be working on just one enemy , right?

[ripe cedar]

yes

[bold flame]

Alright thanks for cleaning up

[astral zephyr]

In short yes, DMG wise she doesn't scale well with more enemies, but sitri said that in aoe situations her buffs are very strong so it balances out

[bold flame]

In aoe, her buffs are stronger?

[ripe cedar]

beside the quill, Shenhe still has the ascension 4 passive and the burst shred that's usable in AoE scenario
and one character having both shred and universal dmg% buff is rare and that makes Shenhe strong

[bold flame]

Ah right

[fleet thistle]

I want shenhe c6 for unlimited ammo but not a waifu / I don’t do c6’s like that

Damn is it really good tho

[ripe cedar]

My friend have C6 Itto Project

I think I'm gonna do either C6 Raiden project or C6 Shenhe project

[fleet thistle]

Shenhe is fun but raiden c6 isn’t a total need

I’m gunning for c6 kokomi + yae

But shenhe sounds super nice for fun I might consider in the future for reruns I’m really happy I got her even tho I no use

[ripe cedar]

yeah, C6 Raiden is gud but C6 Shenhe + Chongyun is a whole new playstyle

[fleet thistle]

Big enough that whales purposely stop at c3 because it isn’t worth which is crazy

People that go c6 all characters thought c3 was good enough raiden

Kinda wild

[ripe cedar]

Yeah at most I'm stopping at C3R1 with Raiden

[fleet thistle]

I’m hopping to get raiden in her 3rd rerun

Idm waiting for characters

[ripe cedar]

She's really cool too

Doing big damage means shit if your character isn't cool doing it

[fleet thistle]

though admittedly I’m kinda lame when it comes to cool

I think god’s hand reach yae is cool

[grand oxide]

how much ATK for an average shenhe

i'm 3k5 rn

not sure it's enough or i need to push it more

[ripe cedar]

do you have enough ER to burst at cooldown?

[grand oxide]

yeah

129% ER

i can change it 140%

i know to rotate properly

[ripe cedar]

usually the guide is to have ER enough so you can burst at cooldown, then just stack attack as much as you can

[grand oxide]

i think it's not that hard to fund her Q with 22 cd window

[ripe cedar]

I'm at 3k4 myself

[grand oxide]

unless it's ayaka + shenhe only

no venti

[grand oxide]

hmm because rn i have crit artifact as substats idk if i should push for more ATK or invest a bit more on crit for her personal dmg

[wooden scarab]

Hello, ive been meaning to ask if shenhe's buff stacks with bennet's an yunjin's?

[ripe cedar]

yes

[tough seal]

With c1 does the passive bonus damage duration refresh when triggered again or are the two stacks independent?

[runic fiber]

If i'm not mistaken they're independent

Taken from her trial domain where she has C3

[tough seal]

i'm wondering if shenhe Q > double tap E > bennett Q > eula Q will keep the 30% burst damage buff and her ult up until eula's ult goes off

in my head it feels like it would be a bit tight

[wooden stratus]

I dont have eula to test it

But i really like the rosa rev melt team but replace kaeya with shenhe

are there some situations where fav lance is better than the catch

I think i prefer fav lance on shenhe than catch on shenhe cuz it has higher base atl

And like atk% scales on base atk

[full lily]

Hold e buffs NA + CA damage while tap E buffs skills and burst. My Ayaka is heavily built as an onfield DPS who basically spams what’s available to her, so it depends on how often Ayaka’s Q is up

Ayaka Q is almost always up on cooldown lol so I think it’s like Shenhe held E -> Kazuha Swirl -> Mona E for Hydro + TTDS buff -> Ayaka NA into Shenhe tap E -> Shenhe Q -> Kazuha Q -> Mona Q -> Ayaka Q

Probably not the best rotation but it allows me to apply almost all of the relevant buffs when needed I believe

Uptime on TTDS buff is not always reliable

[hollow oxide]

Does Shenhe's burst have 2U of Cryo or 1U?

[north remnant]

both initial cast and dot are both 1U

[hollow oxide]

Thanks, appreciate it.

Welp, there goes that sudden thought of ''Hu Tao X Shenhe melt''.

[hollow oxide]

Yun Jin's burst, the damage proc that appears with the normal attacks... Is it physical, or Geo?

[north remnant]

p sure it's whatever the dmg type that the char procing the dmg proc is since the dmg is not a separate proc but rather added on top with whatever the dmg triggering it is

[raw prairie]

So I was planning a freeze team with Ayaka, Shenhe, Kokomi and flex. Which set should I give to Shenhe. Kokomi has totm Ayaka has 4p bs. Do I need to focus on crit for Shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

In a noblesse-less team, Shenhe wants Noblesse. Just focus on ATK mainstat and ER% substat until you can ult on cooldown
after that you can try getting crit substats. There's a lot more info on the pins

@raw prairie

[raw prairie]

Thanks bro. Appreciate it

[runic fiber]

Do we know how good is Shenhe's C1?

[ripe cedar]

you can do shenanigans like doubling the A4 buff during burst window, and smooth out rotation
but no one has made real calculations I think

[wooden stratus]

Shenanigans?

Dont you mean

shenhenanigans

[dapper jewel]

I was thinking about getting it but I feel like the rotations are already pretty smooth without it for me, so idk how valuable it is

[runic fiber]

same, i'm thinking about it but not sure that it will drastically change gameplay

[dapper jewel]

I’m gonna wait til towards the end of the banner to see how I feel / what others have found about c1

No reason to go for it before then really

[green otter]

is shenhe or kazuha better for support

[wooden stratus]

obviously kazuha

(in general)

[green otter]

cryo only i mean

[wooden stratus]

but shenhe looks to be a very good support with specific cryo units such as Ayaka, Ganyu and potentially Eula

I just tested Diona with a rather attackfocused build and I did around 5 x 12.000 damange with her icy pawns, which was interesting (using SacBow)

[summer mural]

Shenhe Yunjin a thing?

[wooden stratus]

Nah, not at Shenhe C0 I think

[green otter]

it could be an overworld thing if you wanted to

[summer mural]

I hear she get 25 stacks

[lapis crow]

she can get 30 w/out atk spd

[wooden stratus]

but you'll use up your quills in no time :/ – I think Shenhe C0 is mostly viable with "vessel"-characters such as cryo or anemo-units to get rid of these qills

[wooden stratus]

Uh

Quills get used by ult

Shenhe drives yun jin here

Rotation is Xingqiu EQE > Shen hold E Q>Yun jin E Q> ChongE >Shenhe 4N4D 5N4D

Characters arent built but i like the rotation so far

I used hold E just for the a4 buff

Quills dmg contribution should stay the same

Artifacts? Blizzard Strayer on Shenhe?

Yeah BS

And Lithic

As weapon

[lapis crow]

i mean, quills get used by both her ult and her NAs, but the specifics don't really matter because it just matters the character that's using it, so shenhe is just consuming her quills

[wooden stratus]

I can shorten shenhe field time so Chongyun uses her quills too

With his Q

[lapis crow]

chongyun uses one of his quills when he Es right?

[wooden stratus]

yeah I tried that team at the launch of the banner but without BS because I dont have a good one; but could be viable

[wooden stratus]

Yeah

yes

But i want his Q to use it too

Hmm wait ill play with the rotation a bit

[lapis crow]

you have 15s from when shenhe's hold E ends

[lapis crow]

AYO

120 FPS!!

[wooden stratus]

Its only up to 60 on ipad

for me my best Shenhe build/team was: Shenhe EQ, Kazuha EQ, Ganyu EQ, Diona E hold (Sacc Proc), Shenhe E (if possible), Kazuha E, Diona E hold, Shenhe E (potentialle Q again) ...

[lapis crow]

the video you recorded is in 120 tho

wait huh

hold on

smh blender did something wack, the video is 34.01 fps, fixed it now

[feral garden]

is there any video evidence of that? haven't found it at KQM findings

[lapis crow]

yeah there's something with your video that blender is not liking lol

[wooden stratus]

I did Koko E shenhe Q E Cy Q yun jin E Q CY E Shenhe N4Ds

[lapis crow]

F for killing your test dummy

[wooden stratus]

He wasnt very cooperative

[feral garden]

Currently testing Shenhe C1 and I really don't see an increase, is there really an evidence of that?

[fleet thistle]

@wooden stratus do you have c1?

It’s going to be unfortunate if that doesn’t stack, not too bad because you use it for comfortable uptimes but my bigger front load tho

[feral garden]

ok, I'm calling bullshit on this double passive buff

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-aidan-hunt-davy-jones-gif-22568806

[fleet thistle]

Maybe, the wording itself makes it so that it should though which is dumb

What about if you e hold and press ? Does it give both for you?

Or same issue

[feral garden]

I'll test tomorrow after my exam

[fleet thistle]

If it overwrites the buff when they are two separate things... genuinely will kinda mald

[fleet thistle]

You still have a really good con though even if it doesn’t stack in really sorry for the misinformation and I am accountable if it’s 100% true I’m really sorry

[wooden stratus]

No

[ripe cedar]

hi guys I'm sorry as well if I regurgitates fake news

the clown is me

[fleet thistle]

No it's me I'm the one that started let me wear the make up solo

[feral garden]

it's ok

mistakes happen

[balmy wolf]

Posting this here too! Did it again. Got the same numbers for ganyu’s charge attack after shenhe press + tap e skill, and just press e-skill (759/1155). Didn’t try with burst. Forgot about ganyu’s passive.

I think based off of this, shenhe’s press + tap a4 buff doesn’t cancel out. But her e skill damage bonus doesn’t stack.

First video: Zhongli e, Ganyu ca, shenhe press + tap e, Ganyu ca
Second video: First video: Zhongli e, Ganyu ca, shenhe press e, Ganyu ca

Shenhe e talent lvl 8. No artifacts or weapons on Ganyu, Shenhe or Zhongli

[tough seal]

the buff doesn't stack?

i was gonna roll c1 for eula screenshot damage but i guess not lol

[balmy wolf]

Nope. The buffs weren’t changed — the damage at the end of both videos was exactly the same. It stacks buffs as long as it’s the two different ones if you have c1. But you can’t stack two of the same kind (press + press / hold + hold).

[balmy wolf]

E skill doesn’t stack. So using it twice doesn’t give you a double attack bonus. But if you press + hold, or hold + press, you get both a4 bonuses (e & q / na, ca). You don’t get quills added on though (e.g., 5+7), it just refreshes the quills per person.

Tested it with Ganyu’s e as well.

1; Ganyu e (no shenhe) / Shenhe hold + tap, Ganyu e
2; Shenhe tap, Ganyu e

Edit, videos are still uploading. My wifi is slow

[pliant solar]

thats what i assumed but people here said u can stack 2 of the same buffs

didnt have c1 to check

[pliant solar]

doesnt make much sense as buffs in this game reset instead of stacking

[bold flame]

So if I use Ayaka shenhe Mona kazuha then Mona with prototype amber ? , also the 48% ttds buff will be lost so is the buff of shenhe e worth that ?

[balmy wolf]

I think shenhe’s buff is still better than ttds. At lvl 8, it buffs by 73% of shenhe’s current attack

[bold flame]

Alright, so which comp is best ?
Ayaka shenhe Mona kazuha
A, s , diona kazuha or
A s diona Mona ?

[pastel portal]

Oh

[balmy wolf]

I think first, but somehow would have to run numbers.

You could still probably run ttds on Mona. And then swap into shenhe.

[pastel portal]

When I was testing I thought different. Probably wasn't thorough enough. Good to know, actually

[fleet thistle]

no problem but your videos was still really good showcase

[bold flame]

I am worried about healing tho 😅

[wooden stratus]

Kokomi

[fleet thistle]

prototype amber mona if need be

[bold flame]

Kokomi with ttds is viable ?

[balmy wolf]

Yeah. For support Kokomi. Since the substat is hp

[bold flame]

Also I don’t have Kokomi and raiden both
Which should I pull for in rerun ?

😅

[wooden stratus]

Depends

[balmy wolf]

They both have really different roles. Kokomi is good for healing and hydro application. Raiden is good off-field damage, energy recharge, and burst damage.

[wooden stratus]

They have different uses

[balmy wolf]

Kokomi is almost pure support (though the clam set makes her a bit more viable dmg wise). Whereas raiden is a burst dps

[bold flame]

This are my characters

I only need Kokomi for Ayaka team as I have other healers but Kokomi is good for freeze with Ayaka shenhe team

[balmy wolf]

You could probably also use xingqiu if you just need hydro application. And then swirl with kazuha.

[bold flame]

Yea but Mona can provide ttds and omen

So I shouldn’t pull for raiden if I don’t need a battery ?

[balmy wolf]

I have both raiden and Kokomi and really like them. Like I said, raiden is a good burst/sub dps and is great for electro application. She’s good in electrocharge and superconduct teams. Especially ones with high burst costs.

It’s really up to you though and what you think is missing in your team comps. It looks like you have a lot of good dps characters, so i would probably pull for koko.

[pastel portal]

Ty :>

[bitter kraken]

Hey everyone! Is there anything I can read about shenhe+ganyu vs shenhe+ayaka? Checked pins and searched with keywords but couldn't find anything. I'm interested in knowing if there's any difference between the 2 morgana variations getting buffed by shenhe or if it comes to personal preference. My initial impression is that an ayaka team is more effective because you want to use shenhe's tap e and that also works better on supports(as you mainly use their skills/bursts). Whereas in a ganyu it's harder to use shenhe's buff to CAs without using quills with ganyu's burst. Do you guys confirm? TIA

[pliant solar]

if youre playing something like venti mona ganyu shenhe

u would be doing tap e anyways so quills spent by q doesnt really matter

the 5 quills should be reliably spent during omen as well

with ayaka is even more straightforward doing shenhe eq mona q ayaka q

[bitter kraken]

Oh so you still play tap e with ganyu.. doesn't that result in a dmg loss?

[ripe cedar]

a lot of people is using ganyu as burst bot nowadays

[pliant solar]

in morgana the most u do is like 2 CAs

[bitter kraken]

Btw, i don't have venti so I was thinking whether to get ganyu now (not guaranteed) or save for ayaka and kazuha

[pliant solar]

the new popular rotation with venti mona ganyu rosa doesnt even CA at all

[bitter kraken]

I see so it's basically a quickswap

[pliant solar]

yea its a comfy quickswap team

[bitter kraken]

Thanks for clarifying 👍 comes down to personal preference in the end ig

[ripe cedar]

ganyu has 100% burst uptime anyway so you will never miss using shenhe's quills

[pliant solar]

i dont own ayaka but im pretty sure u also tap e on shenhe for her

get a huge frontloaded burst out and do the usual swap + ayaka CA

[bitter kraken]

Yeah I'm sure of that

[pliant solar]

wont benefit from shenhe hold e but its still good damage

[bitter kraken]

Cause they get double the quills on ayaka's q during one 20sec rotation

Tap e at the beginning and tap e mid ayaka's q

But i guess you can play this way with quickswap ganyu too

[pliant solar]

much more lenient with ganyu cause its consistent dps over 15s

whenever u shenhe e its gonna be spent anyway

but u do want to try and fit it during shenhe q as well

[bitter kraken]

I see i see, thanks again!

[ripe cedar]

ganyu also has that 20% cryo dmg buff inside her burst

[bitter kraken]

That's also a plus yeah

And i have a harp covered in dust.. aaah decisions decisions

[ripe cedar]

you can always use ganyu ayaka shenhe and proto amber mona

[coral onyx]

Unless you know you clear the floor with 1 or right after a 2nd hold E, you always tap E with shenhe, if nothing else the bigger energy particule generation from tap E in longer fights is huge and those comps need as much as possible

[bitter kraken]

I only have mona ans shenhe rn

Hold e is basically never used lol

[ripe cedar]

but there's always a good reason to do hold E as well
like I'm preparing to fight against golden wolflord / thunder manifestation by using hold E to buff my ganyu CA since they fly a lot

and it helps me making their floating around not a 0 damage downtime

[bitter kraken]

Yeah in single target that's prolly a good choice

[ripe cedar]

you can always do this

[bitter kraken]

True!

That's mainly why i pulled shenhe without ganyu or ayaka

I also liked shenhe rosaria bennett xiangling

[ripe cedar]

can change kazuha to mona
helps with cc and buff too in her own way

[ebon jackal]

Snap

[bitter kraken]

Btw what website is that?

[ebon jackal]

Was kinda rough for a first attempt but it’s a good comp

[ripe cedar]

lmao

[ebon jackal]

It’s the hoyolab app

Loool

Nice

[ripe cedar]

I always put healers on slot 3

[ebon jackal]

Mine are always last slot, main damage dealers first

[ripe cedar]

main fielder in slot 1, archers/second qswap in slot 2, healers in slot 3, and main qswap in slot 4

[ebon jackal]

Current Shenhe team though is Kazuha, Kokomi and Ayaka

Anemo/support is usually third for me

https://youtu.be/BKByQwKRS8g

[pliant solar]

im glad people are messing with 4* cryos

[ebon jackal]

Diona can deal damage now lol

[pliant solar]

im running around with kaz chong shenhe diona

quite fun

rosa is just better tho

but chong q is satisfying to spam

[ebon jackal]

I feel obligated to build Chong because of Shenhe’s connection

[pliant solar]

i built him for team exorcist

rev melt dreams are dead

but mono cryo is fairly effective

[ripe cedar]

they're very fun
chongyun's burst DPS is very satisfying, rosaria is a really great off field dps with crit share, kaeya is a capable on field DPS, and Diona is like the best defensive 4* we got so far

[pliant solar]

gives me a reason to use my r3 wgs too

tho idk if spine would be better since shenhe benefits nothing from the wgs

[ripe cedar]

wgs can buff shenhe's quill I guess

[pliant solar]

i guess yea

but 50% dmg on ss

[ripe cedar]

ss is unbeatable

ss also looks good on shenhe

[autumn totem]

Yo. Any dps calcs on teams with Shenhe?

[sage nymph]

Can we talk about shenhe is yet another Kokomi buff

[jolly shadow]

Besides c6 are any of shenhe constellations worthwhile?

[sage nymph]

Teambuilding with Shenhe hurts with no Koko :(

[shadow rune]

C1 to an extent

[jolly shadow]

Would it be better to go for C1 or the weapon?

[shadow rune]

Weapon

[wooden stratus]

I made two that I found just fine without her

[sage nymph]

It's just that the most natural comp I see is Ayaka-Shenhe-Anemo-Hydro

and if you lack kokomi you can't fit a healer in that last slot

not fully necessary for shenhe teams of course, but she seems to make teambuilding a lot comfier

[wooden stratus]

U got to experiment more

[sage nymph]

what are your comps?

[wooden stratus]

Fav comp rn

Is either frozen calamity

Kaeya shenhe kazhua childe

If your pepega use Jean or sucrose amber instead of kazhua

Or rosaria shenhe kazhua/Jean and Benny

[sage nymph]

i love childe freeze comps, so fun

[wooden stratus]

Thinking of other weird teams if they feel nice

[sage nymph]

yeah for weird comps she is great, a very creative and flexible unit

but i also like to have at least one very optimal comp

and Kokomi is required for that unless you forgo a healer

[sage nymph]

Thats awesome that they cleared it but it doesn't exactly make it optimal

[wooden stratus]

Zoom is about to 9 star

Zoom also suffers from skill issue

[sage nymph]

lmao

[wooden stratus]

Zooms kaeya and Childe are also lacking damage

[rocky mirage]

We probably need to do a sheet for childe

Theres still alot of misunderstanding about shenhe quills

[sage nymph]

my main point is that kokomi offers very valuable role compression for AoE offield hydro application and healing

[rocky mirage]

U dont need a cryo main dps to take advantage of quills

Ur subdps can do it too

[wooden stratus]

That's fine but this comp if you are skilled doesn't need that

[sage nymph]

and ayaka-shenhe teams tend to struggle to have both that and an anemo grouper

[wooden stratus]

Just run aq on kazhua and BS if you can afford it on kaeya

[sage nymph]

I'm decent at dodging and can play without a dedicated healer

i'm glad to see there are other comp options out there

[wooden stratus]

If u really can't manage without a healer slot in sucrose Amber or jean over kazhua

[rocky mirage]

Keeping up freeze with childe on field is incredibly easy and its worth measuring

[wooden stratus]

Hers the rotation

[sage nymph]

but still, now that I've gotten Shenhe and Ayaka Kokomi has become far more appealing

[rocky mirage]

Unfortunately i dont have TP or a good 4bs to really optimize childe for freeze

[wooden stratus]

I prefer Koko in ec

[sage nymph]

such a sick comp

[sage nymph]

EC koko is great yeah

[wooden stratus]

I don't think sen has seen the chars I make

But skill issue chars/ teams are what I like the most

Considering this also is a easy way for players to practice dodging

While still being relatively comfortable due to freeze is also a nice feature.

[sage nymph]

I feel you there, I don't want zhongli cause he just makes the game braindead

[wooden stratus]

I only made this team out of sheer boredom tho

[sage nymph]

freeze childe is always fun

i've done him before with offield Ayaka burst support

pretty clunky and bad freeze uptime but its fun

[wooden stratus]

Kazuha makes more fun than it should be if you ask me

The only other thing that might be fun

Is afk ec yae and Raiden

But I have no venti

[sage nymph]

why is venti needed for that comp?

[ripe cedar]

fug managed to finish first chamber in time but my rational is dead lol

[wooden stratus]

Absuing yaes psuedo qaud scaling

[sage nymph]

oh yeah so is it confirmed she does actually have a small AoE on her E?

[wooden stratus]

It bit ye

Also with venti

And Raiden

Plus c1 yae

https://tenor.com/view/energizer-bunny-stillgoing-gif-4929302

[sage nymph]

lol

[wooden stratus]

See how much the burst cost when u factor in all of that

You will be astounded

[ripe cedar]

I'm close to 3 starring this chamber

[sage nymph]

Zajef already said she didn't need much ER even when played with just Fischl, so she probably doesn't need any for that comp

[wooden stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-bobs-burgers-linda-excited-aaaaaah-gif-5383381

[wooden stratus]

Yep

Kinda want c6 Rai just for that comp

[sage nymph]

#justwhalethings

[wooden stratus]

Or c4

Eh

I'ma just pick up my c2r1 yae

[ripe cedar]

what really helps is actually Kazuha's shatter
you apply hydro with childe's skill activation, use kazuha's burst, use shenhe's burst, and then use kazuha plunge
it does good damage (like 10k physical with good EM, plus elemental swirls)

[wooden stratus]

Get my Ayaka kazhua and be on my merry way

Maybe venti

[wooden stratus]

[sage nymph]

YES SHATTER KAZUHA

i love it

[wooden stratus]

Did I actually make a godly get gud team that's freindly to players

Imagine

[fossil leaf]

anyone has shenhe c4 know what type of dmg increase its?

[tough seal]

i would assume it's an additive bonus, but can't be 100% sure until someone tries it out

is her E activation damage good?

[vast current]

With ATK/ATK/ATK, Kazu shred and inside her own ult, I've hit 30k with hold E.

I have more crits than I should in her artifacts, though, and not enough ER.

Not C4 Shenhe.

[tough seal]

so with c4 my extremely sus napkin math says you'd get maybe 36k-40k hold E, or 30k and shuffle some crit subs into ER

[vast current]

[frank furnace]

specifically for ayaka, is shenhe only good at c1 over other non-healer cryo like ganyu or rosaria

something like
ayaka-shenhe-VV-koko/p.amber mona
vs
ayaka-ganyu-VV-koko/p.amber mona

[vast current]

C1 is more comfy for single cryo support. If I only had C0, I'd run her with at least two other cryo, else it's not worth to try to jam her into the team.

I have no maffs, just feels after playing with her.

[wooden stratus]

When I just run shenhe and another cyro

[vast current]

[wooden stratus]

Er problems

[frank furnace]

c1 seems mandatory for ayaka

shen E -> ayaka Q -> shen E?

[wooden stratus]

Nope

[frank furnace]

so you buff practically her whole Q

[vast current]

I mostly use her E to buff 's autos and E.

I use their Qs together.

[frank furnace]

no i mean c1 seems mandatory if you want to use her with ayaka? otherwise, ganyu or rosa might be just as good as a non-healer cryo filler for ayaka team

[vast current]

[wooden stratus]

Yeah that's why I'm saying no for

Lol

[frank furnace]

c0 shenhe for ayaka?

[vast current]

Yes, I would not run C0 with just

[wooden stratus]

Yea

[frank furnace]

over ganyu?

[wooden stratus]

Yes

I play shenhe ganyu

Much more stricter than ayaka

Also uh

Y'all forgot Venti exist

[frank furnace]

venti is why i thought ayaka-ganyu would still be better than ayaka-shen esp with more mobs

it's not?

[wooden stratus]

I'm saying venti for his acen tal

If your really worried about er

In terms of overall feeling when it comes to playing shenhe with ayaka vs ganyu

[frank furnace]

yeah that's a given

[wooden stratus]

Ayaka wins

[frank furnace]

we're talking about shenhe vs ganyu in ayaka teams

not ganyu vs ayaka

but yeah nvm

[wooden stratus]

Since when was morganya brought up ?

[frank furnace]

this whole time. starting with my first question today. lol

scroll up

[wooden stratus]

Might wanna work on your phrasing cause it looks like your comparing them.

[frank furnace]

which i followed-up with the actual team comp to clarify

[frank furnace]

.

[wooden stratus]

Ej

Depends on content then

[frank furnace]

but yeah i asked about shenhe vs ganyu/rosa in ayaka team

and i also asked if c1 would make shenhe overall better than ganyu for ayaka

[wooden stratus]

^

[frank furnace]

yaeh i guess so

[wooden stratus]

More bosses slot shenhe

More mobs slot ganyu

[frank furnace]

and if ican only choose one

i guess ganyu is a safer choice

[wooden stratus]

Depend on your definition of safe

[frank furnace]

erm more use/better value

[wooden stratus]

And what you value more

[frank furnace]

you could do more other comps with ganyu than shenhe

[wooden stratus]

If it was me I would go shenhe

[frank furnace]

c0?

[wooden stratus]

Yes

Thats a no brainer in my eyes

Both ganyu and ayaka are relative in terms of powerlevel

Ayaka is far easier to play optimally

Why get another type of unit that has been on the decline recently due to Morgana getting various nerfs when I can buff up a unit that isn't suffering the same issue and far easier to utilize.

Is basically my rational

[wooden stratus]

U do you tho

[frank furnace]

shenhe bis for ayaka team?

[wooden stratus]

For what type of team

Nuking

Mono cyro

Perma freeze

[frank furnace]

freeze. assuming nuke and mono cryo are only used for non-freezable enemies?

and i just bench ayaka vs kenki/non-freezable enemies

[wooden stratus]

That requires maths

Which I don't have or I think anyone has on

Shenka

Vs Morgana

[dapper jewel]

on this point too we have seen in recent patches bosses in f12 are becoming a regular thing...may not always be the case, but something to consider

[dapper jewel]

i don't really agree w this - i had no problem doing fast 9* clear of f12 with ayaka, mona, kazuha, shenhe with shenhe at c0

[cold ridge]

u prob wont have problems its just comfier

[dapper jewel]

i mean yeah ofc, but i wouldn't say c0 shenhe in the team is necessarily uncomfortable/clunky either

[frank furnace]

have you tried comparing that comp with units other than shenhe

cause before this, the typical team would be ayaka-mona-vv-diona/rosa would it

[wooden stratus]

is ayaka/diona/shenhe/mona better than a comp with 4pc vv anemo

[coral onyx]

Damage wise no, diona should bring less damage than an anemo especially kazuha if you tweak ER and rotation to be optimized but no shield no heal.

[frank furnace]

besides, anemo units that have infusable anemo constructs are practically cryo

[pliant solar]

guess i should post here as well https://streamable.com/10rqc7

as with any mono team goes its a brute force comp

but if u have the gear it works decently well

chong is still chong aint gonna break any records

[wooden stratus]

aaa shenhe?

I like chongyun shenhe Bennet vv

Reversele melt chongyun kinda fun

[pliant solar]

atk atk crit

[pliant solar]

how much er did u have on shenhe

[wooden stratus]

Engulfing

[pliant solar]

was it enough to burst off cd tho

with just chong as second cryo

[wooden stratus]

Whats she using

Favspear?

[pliant solar]

EL

fav would work i guess

[wooden stratus]

Oh

[pliant solar]

but since all chong has is his q id build some crit on shenhe as well

[wooden stratus]

I was thinking of doing that comp you did but with shenhe as the carry, dont know how good it would be though

[pliant solar]

at c0 probably not that good

[wooden stratus]

Yeah im at c0 so i have to cope

[pliant solar]

chong has r3 wgs and while shenhe doesnt benefit from that its still damage

i did try r5 serpent

[wooden stratus]

Id probably do Diona E Q Kaz E Q Shenhe Hold E Q Chong Q E Shenhe N3/4C

[pliant solar]

damage was about the same but maintaining stacks is annoying since if he loses any u have to spend time with him on field

[wooden stratus]

The reason people dont do dps shenhe calcs is probably because they know its not gonna be good already

Though…

[pliant solar]

it all depends on investment yea

since its mono

[wooden stratus]

Didnt sitri do cpike hu tao calcs

[wooden stratus]

Does that change with freeze

[pliant solar]

stack artis and weps and hope u do enough damage

freeze is still bout the same but current high end freeze teams use mona

so theres omen

[wooden stratus]

Fuck mona

Unplayable

I was thinking of using Xingqiu though

So I’ll actually have damage in the team

[pliant solar]

yea could work

all diona was there for in my team was noble buff and battery

[wooden stratus]

Im doing Shenhe on Bs

Chong on NO

yun jin 4husk like always

Xq on eosf

[pliant solar]

should be fine

still got yunjin counters and xq dr

[dapper jewel]

Yeah, I have been playing all manner of Ayaka/Mona freeze teams for months. W both venti/kazuha in 3rd spot and Ganyu/diona/rosaria/kaeya in 4th spot

[wooden stratus]

Ye

Running fav on jean

[pliant solar]

oh u had fav

[wooden stratus]

Even without fav

I just need to make sure I funnel properly

And always hold E after Q

On shenhe

[broken yarrow]

whats shenhe's ascension stat?

[pliant solar]

crit rate

[broken yarrow]

thank god

[ripe cedar]

atk

it's atk

[pliant solar]

oh wait

[broken yarrow]

oh no

[pliant solar]

i mixed it up with yae

oops

[broken yarrow]

aaa

does shenhe really need crit rate

[pliant solar]

been looking at too much yae stuff mb

yes if youre running fav

no if just atk atk atk

[ripe cedar]

not really

[broken yarrow]

okay thats good

because this is what ive got with my shenhe artifacts on a level 20 rosaria,,,

[pliant solar]

u just need a little bit to reliably proc fav on eq

[broken yarrow]

ah i see

well hopefully she'll be alright

my artifacts are decent

not great by any means

but theyre usable

[ripe cedar]

you can run blizzard atk/atk/atk on shenhe to help with critting

[broken yarrow]

ive got 4 pc noblesse set up for her with atk/atk/atk

[pliant solar]

yea that will do

[ripe cedar]

oh that's really good too

I actually put the noblesse on chongyun

[broken yarrow]

i dont use him </3

my team is ayaka (shenhe) xingqiu and jean

[pliant solar]

if youre playing freeze or mono cryo the reso + your current crit should be enough to proc fav

[broken yarrow]

yeah thats what im hoping

its only a 15% boost though

[pliant solar]

42 with your current crit

its alright

[broken yarrow]

ah yeah i guess so

67 pity, shes coming home soon <3

i lost the 50/50 to c1 qiqi so that set me back

[pliant solar]

😔

[broken yarrow]

but ekanomiya is helpful for grinding primos

being f2p sucks

[ripe cedar]

can you get the primos from the potions event?

[wooden stratus]

Hemlo

[gray igloo]

Shenhe

[wooden stratus]

Do u wanna educate Romany on of the funniest comps in-game

U had more play time than me

Due to me being kazhualess

[gray igloo]

Funny comps are best comps ngl

[wooden stratus]

Here's the rotate

[ripe cedar]

alright I'm retrying abyss

[wooden stratus]

Kek

[ripe cedar]

fug im ded

[gray igloo]

What the hell

Bruh why did Mihoyo give me diluc damn it

[wooden stratus]

Char stats

That's with Childe and kaeya not being invested as they should be

[gray igloo]

How do you even invest in Kaeya? 4pc Blizz right?

I wanna see a perma freeze Kaeya, Shnehe, Chongyun, Xingqiu team now tbh

[ripe cedar]

It's fun
I give Xingqiu blizzard too

[gray igloo]

Weapon? Cutter?

[ripe cedar]

skyward blade

dont have cutter

[gray igloo]

My Bennett shall suffer for a more fun comp

[wooden junco]

Hello, I wanted to talk with some theorycrafters for some Shenhe help and I was told to come here, is it okay to share my troubles here? Don't wanna clog the chat too much

[wooden stratus]

Sure what's up

[wooden junco]

Alright, so basically, I have not actually rolled Shenhe, my problem is more with Ganyu
I play a scuffed Morgana with her because I don't have Venti, and I noticed my damage and clear times are just very low, I just don't like playing that team. It might be a skill issue, but the clear times are just not it

[wooden stratus]

I'm Assuming u use sucrose or kazhua for Morgana

[wooden junco]

In the potion event, I tried Shenhe instead of Diona and it honestly went very well, I could clear stages at the hardest difficulty very quick, not as quick as National, but close

yeah, those two

[wooden stratus]

Hmm

[wooden junco]

however, wherever I go, I hear theorycrafters say "shenhe is awful for ganyu" "kaeya and rosaria are just better" "if you want to play with ganyu don't roll shenhe, not worth it"

[wooden stratus]

@fleet thistle

[wooden junco]

but like, for me it just worked very well, so I guess I wanted to know what exactly I was doing that is misleading me to believe that Shenhe is good

[wooden stratus]

"Shenhe is awful for ganyu"

Man why so many bad takes today smh

[wooden junco]

To explain my rotations briefly, I start with Shenhe E Q, Ganyu Q, then VV swirl, then go on Mona for freeze and TTDS, then do a single charge shot with Ganyu, and back to shenhe to repeat

I legit keep hearing wherever I go that Shenhe is just bad for Ganyu, she helps ayaka, kaeya, rosaria, and even diona, but not ganyu

[wooden stratus]

She's a win more char

If your already winning and stomping abyss she add to that even more

If your not she isn't really worth it

[wooden junco]

I'm kind of not, my scuffed morgana does not clear fast at all

[wooden stratus]

Kind of like zhongli

[wooden stratus]

Sounds like mono cryo would be better

For you

Shenhe diona ganyu kazhua

Diona for survivability

Or u could use Bennet or jean

Or koko

[wooden junco]

for comparison, my morgana with diona cleared with like 3800 points max, replacing with Kaeya barely did any improvements, and adding Shenhe I could get around 5000 points instead

[wooden stratus]

But that goes in to er issues

[wooden junco]

I also tried with mono cryo, but I don't know, I feel like freeze makes me clear faster

[wooden stratus]

Now speaking on ganyu

She does help and buff her pretty well

[wooden junco]

like I could never get 5000 with mono cryo, only with mona

[feral garden]

Shenhe is good for Ganyu, regarding the take "not worth to roll if you have Ganyu" is probably a misinterpreted take of Tenten, who claimed that if you have an existing well-built team with Ayaka/Ganyu, Shenhe might be not worth spending all wishes

[wooden stratus]

However playing her with ganyu feels weird ( that's a me issue)

[wooden stratus]

Compared with Ayaka

[fleet thistle]

Shenhe is similar to yunjin, where they add more to their designated preferred main dps's to support, shenhe being cyro and yunjin with Na's.

I believe that if you play A cyro dps shenhe is worth the rolls as she increases your front loaded damage with quills and shredding.

[wooden junco]

it feels different because you go from all charge attacks to basically almost never charge attacks. At least this is how my shenhe experience was, I just turned ganyu into a quickswap unit

[wooden stratus]

Ic

Do u happen to have Kokomi

[wooden junco]

again, I'm not sure if that's the way or if it's optimal, I don't know if shenhe and ganyu have an optimal rotation

no kokomis

[wooden stratus]

Fuck woulve made the comp more easier to run

Then I assume u have mona

[wooden junco]

yeah

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe kzahua Mona with Amber unless u don't need it

And ganyu

[feral garden]

You probably can check pins to optimize Shenhe further, although I'm not sure if there is info on her rotation

Anyways, pins here is good place to start

[wooden stratus]

Seem to be a comp u might enjoy due to the permafreze aspect

[wooden junco]

yeah, that's what I'm mostly using, or at least what I tried in potion event

[proper fern]

shenhe feels good to play. that's a really useful aspect of gameplay a lot of people forget

and in a vaccum she's definitely worth pulling to improve your account, why i say vaccum is that it depends on the rest of your goals and who else you want to get

she may be less of a priority

[wooden junco]

so the tldr of my question was basically "does the event buff shenhe comps or what? why do people say kaeya and rosaria are better and she doesn't work with ganyu?"

[proper fern]

as the others have mentioned there've been a lot of shitty takes in regards to shenhe (and a lot of newer characters in general)

[wooden junco]

I can kind of get anything I want because I just don't roll ever, so shenhe was one character that impressed me for the first time in ages

[proper fern]

don't take youtuber advice as gospel. your own experience has shown that she benefits you, so thats more relevant