Shenhe Thread

[hallow flower]

although it wont work on all enemies

do you guys know if the tornado stops on frozen enemies?

[jagged leaf]

I feel like people are a bit sleeping on MC

She's not that bad, anemo has good shred, geo has good damage and electro is a decent battery

She's not the best, but she does fill her slots decently enough to make the team work

[mystic linden]

they're okay but as soon as you get other anemo chars, and fischl theres not much reason to keep using MC

geo still has its microwave niche but that's about it

[jagged leaf]

Fair enough, but isn't AMC one of the highest shred in the game?

And that's before VV

I think that a for a mono-element comp, without access to Kazoo, she might be worth exploring

[vast current]

AMC's shred only lasts for the duration of the tornado.

[ripe cedar]

kqm says it has 10s duration?

[vast current]

[ripe cedar]

https://library.keqingmains.com/characters/anemo/traveler-anemo

[vast current]

May have been a release thing that was fixed.

[ripe cedar]

yeah I cant really say either

I havent been playing with amc for long

[vast current]

You'd need to run a construct of some kind to stop the tornado. That or always fight against walls.

[wooden stratus]

Hallo

[clever yarrow]

Is Shenhe/Ayaka/Ganyu/Anemo any better than Morgana comp?

seems risky w/out a healer

unless its jean

[green saffron]

How is shenhe with ayaka?

[sinful flume]

gonna save this image ngl

wait, there is a full version of this image?

[ripe cedar]

the full version has wrong def and res calcs sorry lmao

[sinful flume]

oh, okay

[timber kiln]

.

[teal belfry]

shenhe quick thoughts?

[ripe cedar]

good, niche, has potential in buffing non-atk scaling dps

[green saffron]

How is she compared to kazu

[ripe cedar]

kazu is universal
best offensive support in the game

[green saffron]

How about the dmg output buff

[lethal saddle]

shehe good?

dead chat

[wooden stratus]

idk man i pull her bcuz waifu

[lethal saddle]

you cant

JUST

[pliant solar]

shenhe is

[desert locust]

is there any shadow buff for shenhe? no?

[timber kiln]

why you need buff when shes functioning good

[dapper anchor]

[desert locust]

just asking

for a friend who overdosing copium

[dapper anchor]

i have no idea as well so i'll just be lurking for awhile until actual testing's out so be patient as well.

[ripe cedar]

too busy speedrunning the quest

[reef current]

so is she worth it

or are the supports we alr have better

[frank furnace]

no. shenhe bad. burn your primos on the standard banner

[meager grail]

Do we know what a good mainstat for Shenhe's goblet? Prob attack% over cryo? (I'm sure it's in pins... but I cannot understand the pins for the life of me XD)

[ripe cedar]

dont forget your sarcasm tag

[chilly hinge]

Sitri did the math on that and found cryo cup to be slightly better than atk for freeze teams but the difference is so minor you should just use whichever has better subs

[meager grail]

Thanks! <3

[patent smelt]

whats the wierdest team shenhe could be useful in?

[glass roost]

Can i use pjws on shenhe? I just got it from the standard banner im shaking

[cold ridge]

ye

u can use pretty much everything on her even if its not the best option

[glass roost]

Can it outdamagr the favonius lance? Cuz that's what i have on her currently

[cold ridge]

i dont think so

fav lance lets u use atk sands without running into er problems

on top of batterying your team

idk for sure tho

[topaz palm]

any ideas if shenhe could get the press and hold passive buff at the same time w/ c1?

[glass roost]

No damage wise

[cold ridge]

shenhe's personal dmg wise? probably, team wise? probably not

[pulsar ore]

we have any rough ideas of what artifacts to use? nob/18%atk? Also fav lance or the catch?

[chilly hinge]

Fav lance is better than catch on her since it has more base atk. Noblesse, 4 BS and gld/shime are all good depending on the team

[acoustic rain]

Hey everyone, I'm sure this has been asked before; sorry....

If one were to cast Shenhe tap skill, then Ganyu burst, charged shot once or twice, return to Shenhe for another tap skill, would that give bonus instances to 10 total hits of Ganyu's burst? Or does Ganyu's burst snapshotting not allow this?

[wooden stratus]

Dps diona

[crimson scaffold]

rev-melt diona
diona with c4 can shoot kinda fast and bow users have free 100% cdmg when hitting weakspots
add 4p WT and diona's cryo dmg bonus ascension ( ) and you have a good amount of multipliers to scale shenhe buff

[wooden stratus]

Im talking about E nuke diona

[crimson scaffold]

i guess that can work in a more traditional way

[proven fern]

Diona has ICD on her CA so you cant melt every shot

[crimson scaffold]

what
really?

my meme build hopes and dreams have been shattered

[mortal quarry]

guys? is wavebreaker shenhes best 4s?

[ripe cedar]

wavebreaker if you got enough ER

[mortal quarry]

i see thanks!

[pliant solar]

early pretc for her weps holds true right?

EL and calamity being her 5* bis

[bold cave]

Any chance Shenhe actually works well with Eula? Since the quills have limited procs, Eula's E - Q - 4NA - E will consume all the charges if there's more than one enemy

[sterile parcel]

[hallow flower]

works as well as a rosaria

so usable

[earnest kestrel]

5k vs 12k (with Shenhe E) on my Ayaka (N1) no buffs

[fleet thistle]

assuming with the new morgana variant rot we can just replace shenhe with rosa correct?

and still proceed to do the same ult spam nature of the comfy rotate

[hallow flower]

you get some desync no?

[fleet thistle]

not sure, I don't own ganyu to personally test

[neat quail]

No. Shenhe 20s ult

[hallow flower]

ganyu/venti/mona/rosa are 15 secs

well mona is 12

[fleet thistle]

god,

damnit

[hallow flower]

but it fits

i drafted one rotation (not able to play test to verify the exact duration but used clips and editing to guestimate)

its pretty though because the 2nd rotation has different timings

[fleet thistle]

shame was considering snagging ganyu before yae to perhaps try the team out

being consistent after the first rotation rlly important for freeze imo at least sadge

[hallow flower]

skip freeze

that rotation is just mono cryo + vv

[fleet thistle]

that's one way to make things work

not a cyro simp so that investment of cyro is not for me oof

[hallow flower]

on the plus side

you can break your 4pc bs set

to two different sets

[wooden stratus]

I wouldn't recommend 4BS on shenhe. Her damage buff is too huge compared to her personal damage contribution. Maybe it's my scuffed artifacts but I was inhaling the copium before I got to playtesting

[hallow flower]

in mono cryo

[fleet thistle]

true dat but I have kind of cracked BS and melt blizzard 2 pcs

[wooden stratus]

at least with c6 shenhe in freeze. better to just mega buff ayaka

[hallow flower]

2glad/2shim vs 4blizz is so minimal tbh

[fleet thistle]

I could tho I own mist + amos

just wait the cryo ez qiqibrain

[grand oxide]

my ayaka ca jump from 10k to 30k ... with kazuha + shenhe make it around 100k total if all 3 hits crit

[ripe cedar]

really? noice

[pliant solar]

anyone did testing on their shenhe for comfy er?

idk if 180 is enough

[fleet thistle]

I have 188% at lvl 40 admittedly and no cyro feels like I need a lil bit more but Another cyro can easily fix that or c1

i'm running skyward for reference

[pliant solar]

hmm

with ganyu and venti 180 sounds more than enough?

[fleet thistle]

most likely, I could actually run that right now if need be to see rq

but should do since refund venti cyro

[strange field]

gear for Shen?

[hallow flower]

check pins

[strange field]

yea thx

I have a place to dump my trash BS artis now

[gaunt hedge]

How big is shenhe for ayaka

[short yoke]

E Q hold E is 4 hits right

Still a waste anyway

[timber kiln]

if you c6 ayaka why not

[mystic forum]

So I have Ayaka and Venti, I was ready to summon for Kazuha but now I have to choose between Shenhe and Kazuha, any thoughts?

[frank furnace]

depends on your other team i guess

[mystic forum]

Eula Raiden

[frank furnace]

c2 raiden?

get kazuha

[mystic forum]

c0

[frank furnace]

skipping both and c2 raiden is also an option lol

[mystic forum]

no constellations for me

saving for Yae

[frank furnace]

kazuha works with practically everyone

[mystic forum]

but how much better is he compared to Venti

[frank furnace]

even if shenhe is that good, you'd still have to think if you really want to main ganyu/ayaka forever

[mystic forum]

true

[frank furnace]

meanwhile, you have kazuha, an all-around unit that buffs even non-reaction comps

personally (i also kinda main ayaka in abyss), if i dont have c2 raiden, it's raiden ~ kazuha >>> shenhe > yae cause i prefer stronger static teams over more collection

[silver wren]

is shenhe dmg buff worth the risk of 180 primos for ganyu ?

dont have ayaka or other cryo dps, only ganyu

[main delta]

flat out better for increasing general team damage (also more melee friendly). Though Venti is better at giving out energy in certain comps.

[ripe cedar]

I'm playing my Shenhe 4pc eosf with engulfing, atk/atk/atk
It's pretty comfy

[frank furnace]

is shenhe bis in any ayaka/ganyu comp right now

or the other way around? are her best comps with ayaka/ganyu

[oak tide]

were we wrong about how her skill calculates?

does it actually multiply by skill MV too?

not just flat damage?

[stark fern]

overworld or abyss

Overworld really damn comfy tho, can agree

[ripe cedar]

overworld
Because I'm giving her Raiden's gear

[stark fern]

ah ok

[pliant solar]

venti mona ganyu shenhe feels really good

[oak tide]

proto amber mona finally getting the spotlight she deserves

[ripe cedar]

have tried it?

[pliant solar]

yea

[ripe cedar]

I'm doing shenhe ganyu diona kazuha

[pliant solar]

im even face tanking dogs and proto amber is healing enough

[ripe cedar]

I'm waiting for a cryo cata that can use proto amber

[bold flame]

Is shenhe worth only for c6 Ayaka ? What ab c0?

[oak tide]

shenhe is the best mono-cryo damage support

[pliant solar]

im loving this a lot lmao

consistent 50s 12-1-1 while messing up rotation

[oak tide]

if that's what you want for you c0 ayaka then there's no one better

[strange field]

is Ayaka-Mona-Diona-Sucrose better than Ayaka-Mona-Shenhe-Sucrose/Ayaka-Mona-Shenhe-Diona?

[bold flame]

Okay so if I use Ayaka shenhe only two cryo then it will be a dps loss compared to current freeze team
Ayaka Mona kazuha diona ?

[oak tide]

as long as you replace diona with any damage dealer it's better

if you can live with prototype amber mona healing that's fine

[strange cliff]

you only get 7 hits with shenhe E hold ye?

[oak tide]

I feel like we'll get two splits of freeze teams

ganyu/venti/mona/rosaria for a consistent 15s rotation

ayaka/kazuha/mona/shenhe for 20s rotation

[wooden stratus]

might just do rosa kaeya shenhe jean

[bold flame]

Alright thanks

[bold flame]

In that healing depends on Mona’s total hp or individual?

[oak tide]

prototype amber heals each character for 12% of their HP at R1

12% of their max HP

so it's not dependent on mona's HP

[blazing kernel]

How is shenhe with eula?

[oak tide]

bad

eula doesn't build cryo dmg%

[pliant solar]

im trying melt

not very consistent 😔

[bold flame]

Thanks

[pliant solar]

after 10mins of testing i can already tell chong is cope

[ripe cedar]

freaking finally reached 13k Diona E each

[pliant solar]

melt just seems too inconsistent to play and all chong has going for him is that burst

for once i have a non cope set on a new char

[stark fern]

Wait fr? I was thinking of making a team of Chong, Ayaka, Shenhe and Jean

aids

[pliant solar]

if u have ayaka already i would change chong

to kaeya or something else

[stark fern]

hmmmm

ok gonna just wait for some TC-ed teams later

[wooden stratus]

Shes home!!

Had to take her nephew out to lure her, now the family is reunited. Just need chong bf Xingqiu

[ripe cedar]

done building yeay

[glass roost]

Congrats!!

[stark fern]

How the hell y'all get that ratio with that high attack

or is she level 90

[ripe cedar]

yeah level 90

[stark fern]

ah makes sense

3 atk%?

And spine or

[bold flame]

Diona (dps build) vs qiqi(dps/burst) for shenhe mono cryo ?

[wooden stratus]

Diona

[ripe cedar]

I'm feeling safer with Diona, especially if paired with Kazuha
since my Diona is C6, the 200 EM is good for Kazuha

[bold flame]

Understood , thanks

[ripe cedar]

my Diona is still cope btw, 50/100 with favo

[silk oak]

Should i level her q or e first?

[fierce snow]

e

[sharp gull]

Shenhe Thread

[wooden stratus]

LVL 70 shenhe

cope

no CQ

lost weapon banner

[ripe cedar]

Rosaria is actually a very good driver for shenhe

[fading dew]

what artifact mainstats do people run? all atk? er/atk/atk?

[ripe cedar]

this is my build
just enough ER

[wooden stratus]

pog

the problem with rosaria kaeya shenhe

is that i literally dont have 2 good polearms

[ember mauve]

how much better is CQ than PJWS for Shenhe?

like % wise

[pliant solar]

finished for now

[wooden stratus]

I love her face

[pliant solar]

so good

[wooden stratus]

Just PLASTERED right on there

[ripe cedar]

man, only 6 wasted substat rolls

[pliant solar]

all my eosf luck went to sr

😔

idk if i wanna 90 her

a bit low on wits probably want to save it for yae

[wooden stratus]

No trigger quota, that's all it would've taken for Shenhe to be broken🥲

[timber kiln]

after seeing shenhe story i might pull her

[frank furnace]

would it be possible to know this early if shenhe is a must have if i want to push dps of ayaka or ganyu freeze teams?

[pliant solar]

not a must but a good addition/alternative

[frank furnace]

so just a sidegrade?

[pliant solar]

depends on investment i think but she does a lot more for ganyu than rosa

im running venti ganyu mona shen

[timber kiln]

ayaka shenhe is also good

[pliant solar]

yea basically any cryo that has consistent output will be good

every bit adds up from her quills + ult shred + a1 and a4

[timber kiln]

imagine if only theres an alive cryo catalyst

.

[pliant solar]

her personal damage is not that bad my e hits like 25k on tap

the ult is a little low ngl but oh well this morgana team or whatever u wanna call it is pretty damn strong

rosa ayaka ganyu kaeya should work the best cause theyre consistent

idk about eula and chong aloy cope

[frank furnace]

cryo eula

[timber kiln]

chong dmg also fine

[pliant solar]

chong is alright but shenhe needs major energy help

[timber kiln]

isnt chong have decent energy gen, no?

[ripe cedar]

chong can reduce shenhe's CD

[sinful phoenix]

Attack goblet over cryo goblet?

[pliant solar]

4 particles 15s cd on chong

[timber kiln]

yes that one also

[pliant solar]

idk i need to test a bit more

but tbh if u have a built rosa id just use rosa

[wooden stratus]

White tassel shenhe

[dire ivy]

She feels really smooth to use

Fast and simple

[ripe cedar]

Just finished abyss with Shenhe, Rosaria, Diona, Kazuha
Feels pretty good

[neat quail]

I was going to try that exact comp after work - so far i like her quite a bit. Actually starting to consider going for her weapon

[cold ridge]

hp cryo damage crit diona right

[ripe cedar]

yesh

[clever yarrow]

Is Jean capable of using the quills or no since her reactions arent tranformative? I wanna use Ayaka/Ganyu/Shenhe all in a team but then I'm left with no healer if I also run Kazuha (and no grouping if I run Jean)

[patent smelt]

oh man Im hype for yae, but I also have a soft spot for cryo

Ice is just so cool

[wooden stratus]

owo

man i might need to grind BS for abit

no biggie sorta need to get better arts for XQ anw

[patent smelt]

should I try for c0 shenhe, or save for Yae Cons

[ripe cedar]

10k cryo attack with Chongyun + Qiqi

[clever yarrow]

what other cryo units do you have

[patent smelt]

all of them

cryo impact

[limber heart]

Hello, I have a quick question R3 Wavebreaker's Fin or R1 Primordial Jade-Winged Spear for Shenhe?

[clever yarrow]

then whichever you like aesthetically more

[patent smelt]

fair

[clever yarrow]

or wait like 2 weeks and see how strong yae turns out to be

and decide based on her teams

[patent smelt]

yeah i think thats the play

thanks for the advice

[clever yarrow]

yeah, banner aint going anywhere for a bit

[patent smelt]

its so easy to get caught in the hype

[clever yarrow]

yeah, i have all the cryo units and have found myself wondering what use I have of shenhe outside of aesthetic

she doesnt offer a whole lot of different team comps, just slight alterations from what ive seen so far (but I could be wrong)

[dire ivy]

She opens up mono cryo

[clever yarrow]

True but arent the mono cryo teams basically the same as freeze but w/ shenhe instead of a hydro unit

[ripe cedar]

bosses can't be frozen
shenhe is the answer to that

[clever yarrow]

oh yeah true, didnt think about that

[earnest kestrel]

Jade spear but they're very close in terms of DPS.

Wavebreaker is a lot more effective on Xiangling.

[proper fern]

anyone else running ayaka shenhe jean flex? feels pretty great atm

[earnest kestrel]

Seems good, just depends on who you're facing.

[proper fern]

im prepping it for bossing, so jean would be in the healer slot. wouldn't trust diona but diona+kazuha may be stronger than something like jean+rosaria

[pulsar ore]

using shenhe and rosa in the same team, who should I give skyward spine and who gets fav lance

[proper fern]

im using fav on rosaria, skyward on shenhe, sounds reasonable

[neat quail]

Pog won the 50/50

[distant estuary]

Hi everyone, feel free to ping me for this. Now that Shenhe has come out, have there been any updates to the pinned information in this thread?

[astral zephyr]

Would ayaka kokomi kazu shenhe team use this rotation Hydro E Q > Shenhe E Q > Kazuha Hold E Q > Ayaka E Q 2 N2C too?

[ripe cedar]

can you reliably swirl cryo there?

[astral zephyr]

Kokomi would be too much hydro?

[proper fern]

shenhe's e+q is so smooth and fast, i can do rosaria e (w/fav lance) > shenhe eq and shenhe will be funneled by all of that. similar to xiao

[sage nymph]

theories,,,about shenhe? any leads?

[timber kiln]

leads on what

[pastel portal]

N4CD, favorite combo so far (not casting Ayaya Q so that Masanori doesn't explode)

(only works with C6 tho)

[ripe cedar]

is this C6 Shenhe?

[pastel portal]

ye

[wooden stratus]

Is ayaka c6 as well

[pastel portal]

yes

[wooden stratus]

Please tell me you posses a c2 kazhua

And freedom sworn

[pastel portal]

No Kaz

but got Venti

[wooden stratus]

Eh it works

[ripe cedar]

are you going to pull for him next time

[wooden stratus]

Elegy too right

[pastel portal]

ofc

both things

elegy and pulling kaz lol

[wooden stratus]

Can u show me giga buffed up ayaka cas

[pastel portal]

I've tried already

didn't record tho

[wooden stratus]

Sadge

[pastel portal]

VV always good

but it's not that much more dmg, Shenhe buffs her way more

[wooden stratus]

I wanna see ayaka 200k charge atk memes

Smadge

[main delta]

I like that Shenhe TC has stopped to a halt because everyone flocked to Yae.

[sour socket]

So, what are Shenhe's best comps looking to be?

[rocky mirage]

im not convinced this is all yae that did this

They didnt really leave much on her kit to excite people

[ripe cedar]

Shenhe, Diona, Ganyu/Ayaka, Anemo
I think

[somber wolf]

Does anyone know the best comp for Rosaria/Shenhe comp? I'm personally thinking of running a freeze team with those two with Xingqiu and Diona but may switch Xingqiu for Mona. Not sure what would be best in that regard or if I should use Succrose instead since I don't have Kazuha yet

[ripe cedar]

you might want to run Kokomi or Mona since in Shenhe's comp you want to quickswap a lot and won't have time to do attack and proc Xingqiu's swords.

[somber wolf]

Sadly I do not have Kokomi. Can she be replaced with someone else?

[ripe cedar]

I dont do calcs but personally I run 3 cryos (dps diona, bliz hp/cryo/crit or bliz cryo qiqi) and 1 anemo

[ripe cedar]

mona should be able to do it

a little bit better uptime too

[somber wolf]

On the plus side to that is that my mona is C4 off of some failed 50/50's lol
Okay, I think I will pull for Shenhe, but would it still be best to try for her weapon too? I've seen some talk about the fav or lithic lances for her as good options too

[ripe cedar]

Shenhe should do well with all kinds of spears since she also need good ER, which favo or skyward can really help

[somber wolf]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate all the help.

[acoustic rain]

Does C1 make her appreciably better?

[ember mauve]

Don't know how it effects rotations at all but I like her C1 a lot

Makes her a better battery and lets you frontload more quills

[bronze hull]

wdym by frontload?

[ember mauve]

Like casting the second Shenhe E while Ayaka burst is active so it uses up 10 quills instead of 5

[bronze hull]

ah, gotcha

[earnest kestrel]

Yep C1 is great value

[lavish sandal]

How good is c1?

[safe quartz]

Have anyone tested ganyu shenhe venti/sucrose and mona with prototype Amber? Kinda like a quick swap Morgana

[pulsar tinsel]

Good for ayaka freeze comp rotation, i don't know for ganyu

[lavish sandal]

Thank you for the answer l

[frank furnace]

should be just as good no? recast E while ganyu/ayaka Q is still ongoing

[whole kiln]

has anyone tried building diona 4bs er/cryo/crit and a crit bow w/ Shenhe? How much dmg would Diona be dealing normally?

looking to use ayaka shenhe diona kazuha

[civic pebble]

diona or shenhe in cryo based/freeze teams?

[pine jungle]

I tried ayaka ganyu shenhe and diona together, it actually works really well on the current abyss

[civic pebble]

ye same

[rocky mirage]

Isnt the current abyss super tilted toward mono teams?

[ripe cedar]

I did, with hp/cryo/crit
I do 11k-ish per paw = 55k total

[whole kiln]

Thanks. Is that with any anemo, for example kazuha?

[pulsar ore]

ok I tried shenhe in my eula team and honestly its actually kinda nice
eula rosa diona shenhe
I was able to get away with 0 er so my damage on eula burst was not reduced by much, and shenhe did buff rosa damage so overall she isn't terrible in a eula comp

[ripe cedar]

with Kazuha and 180 CD I get 13j

13k

[ripe cedar]

Can you try Blizzard Strayer Eula?

[whole kiln]

~100k dmg per rotation. Not shabby at all

[ripe cedar]

I dont have Eula

[ripe cedar]

I'm intrigued to see how will Eula fare in mono cryo team with Shenhe

[pulsar ore]

I unfortunately don't have a bs set thats good at all

[ripe cedar]

Theoretically for Blizzard Strayer Eula you can get

• Eula, Rosaria, Shenhe, Diona
• 40% phys shred from 25% of Eula E, 20% C6 Rosaria, 15% Shenhe burst
• 40% cryo shred from Eula E and Shenhe burst
• 15% burst buff from Shenhe tap
• 4x cryo particles to help Eula's energy management
• 35% crit rate from cryo resonance and blizzard + some crit rate from rosaria crit transfer
• shenhe increases her, rosaria, and diona's damage
• 15% cryo damage to everyone

[pulsar ore]

I doubt it's better than beidou eula rosa raiden but it's definitely not a bad team comp

[wooden stratus]

Why beidou

[vapid egret]

to extend rotation to 28s and waste DPS for free

[wooden stratus]

B-but beidou op 15000% burst scaling

[vapid egret]

that's why eula Diona beidou Fischl performs so well on sheets and on good gameplay

and not eula beidou raiden teams

[wooden stratus]

Who drives beidou after eula’s 7 seconds though

[vapid egret]

eula isn't raiden yknow

her autos can actually proc bei stormbreaker

[wooden stratus]

I know

But is eula a good bei driver

How many procs does she get

[vapid egret]

no, but her autos do very good damage

iirc 9?

[wooden stratus]

Idk if thats good

Like at that point id ditch her for rosaria

[vapid egret]

if you looked at the raiden sheets Vs 2 targets typically eula beidou Fischl Diona is the 2nd best eula team even amongst the eula raidens

[hallow flower]

A decent amount if you do auto weaves

I like it more than running fish for dmg

@wooden stratus does decent dmg

[wooden stratus]

Ohhh, was under the impression that you needed to finish bei Q

[hallow flower]

It does finish when eula is done

Then raiden takes her turn to refill everyone

[bold flame]

I read earlier that shenhe approaches ganyu(support/sub dps ) in Ayaka freeze teams, so should I get shenhe or ganyu for that role ?

[kindred pivot]

What is yae e skill DMG cooldown?

[frank furnace]

Same question but ithink ganyu still seems to be more versatile and better value

You want to push dps on your ayaka team? Go ayaka-ganyu-mona-vv

Not to mention ganyu has her own teams

[shut lintel]

I'm holding off leveling shenhe beyond lv70, ive been trying her a lot and i cant seem to find her optimal team yet, if she is optimal at all. I hope tc will find a niche but meta team for her knowing how niche she is.

[foggy kindle]

Does shenhe actually give a 12k cryo dmg bonus without her Q on ayaka charge atk?

[ripe cedar]

yeah because it's bonus damage
Shenhe adds flat damage to Ayaka's before crit and dmg%

[foggy kindle]

I dont get it

[bold flame]

Alright thanks

[ripe cedar]

Ayaka has 80.13% x3 charged attack scaling at talent level 6. at 2000 attack, this equals to 1600-ish point damage

Shenhe adds to this number with her own attack according to her skill talent level. At Level 6, she adds 63.92% of her attack to this number. At 3000 attack, this equals to 1900-ish damage point.

Now Ayaka charge attack has 1600 + 1900 base damage before further calculation. This will make the damage feels doubled.

@foggy kindle

[foggy kindle]

Ohh i get it so shenhe adds her atk with ayaka atk before she crits

Ooo ic

Thx

[foggy kindle]

Does this apply to all characters if u want to calculate their buff?

[ripe cedar]

every character that deals cryo yes

[foggy kindle]

Oh

[ripe cedar]

Yunjin works the same way too
but her burst only adds to Normal Attacks

[foggy kindle]

Ohh ic then im assuming other characters math is diffrent? Well thanks

[ripe cedar]

but the principle is the same
adds to the character's damage before dmg% and crit calculations

[foggy kindle]

Oo ic

[ripe cedar]

because the stack and duration is limited, you want to use characters that can use all the stacks quickly
for Shenhe, it's someone like Diona skill, Ayaka burst, or Ganyu Burst
for Yunjin, It's someone like Yoimiya or Zhongli

[foggy kindle]

Kk

[foggy kindle]

Wait dmg% as in?

Wait nvm

[ripe cedar]

dmg% as in somethinf like goblet or glad 4pc

[fast maple]

very nice. what's after the raw damage box? resistance?

[foggy kindle]

Wait why add 100% for damage bonus? Im abit confused

[astral zephyr]

100% = 1 so if you don't have any DMG bonus

You have base DMG x 1

[foggy kindle]

Wait i forgot 100% = to 1 💀 thx for the help guys

[safe quartz]

is there any shenhe stats soft goal assumption / consensus so far?

[neat quail]

like 180% ER and attack as high as possible. if you can fit in crit great but it's tougher to balance for not a lot of benefit

[safe quartz]

how high atk is considered the average for meta-tier performance?

[neat quail]

3k+ on the low end

[safe quartz]

so just a rough assumption yeah

my stats is at

3.1k atk
175% ER
50% cr
130% cdmg

safe to assume this is like, a 7/10 ?

or a 6/10?

[glass roost]

Shenhe is the best with ayaka imo

[neat quail]

i think that's fine - bit more emphasis on her personal damage with that crit

[fast maple]

4th asc passive for shenhe hold affects everyone regardless of element?

nice so shenhe passive is universal

[safe quartz]

If this is yours, would you attempt to improve further? If yes, what?

For context I'm using 2 Eosf + 2 shimenawa atm, atk atk atk mainstat
Sky spines spear

[neat quail]

I think it’s a good skyward spines build. I might try to boost attack by finding 2pc glad or moving to 4NO (depending on team) with some more ER subs but I don’t think it’s necessary

I also unfortunately don’t have time to do any calcs on her so it’s hard to say how much crit for her personal damage is a good balance.

I’m just stacking attack and ER on mine with crit if my pieces roll it but I still need to find some replacements. And I ended up with CQ so that streamlines my build

[safe quartz]

What's CQ?

Also thanks for your input. I know any further crit is just added bonus and not mandatory.

Im just making sure I'm headed into the right direction haha

[fast maple]

Tony To's Cryo Keqing
https://youtu.be/pd4Gpx1Ve6s

[neat quail]

calamity queller, her sig spear

[ripe cedar]

yeah, enemy def and res calculation

[wooden stratus]

I always think its ChongQiu

[wooden stratus]

i love cryo kekwing

it's funny

[frank furnace]

ganyu-ayaka-VV-mona
or
ayaka-shenhe-VV-mona

basically im asking if i should skip shenhe for ganyu. i alrd have ayaka

ganyu-ayaka should work no?

[latent thicket]

how is shenhe with chongyun?

[astral zephyr]

all c0, depends which playstyle you like more imo

[frank furnace]

do you have ganyu

[stark fern]

[frank furnace]

so no one comp is better?

[stark fern]

Wait who was battery-ing Ayaka

[frank furnace]

fav lance shenhe im guessing

or 160 ER ayaka

[astral zephyr]

No ganyu but i will get her just for her burst animation

[astral zephyr]

120 with anemona sword

[frank furnace]

that's still a lot

[astral zephyr]

and pwjs on shenhe with like 162 er

[frank furnace]

and you still funnel shenhe particles to ayaka?

[astral zephyr]

not really

i just pressed all button because i dont know how to do rotations

[stark fern]

Did ayaka have burst every rotation?

[astral zephyr]

if anything i funneled to shenhe

ayaka didnt need help to get burst up

[stark fern]

bruh

[frank furnace]

coz 120 ER + amenoma

[stark fern]

So is black sword copium on Ayaka

I have trouble getting her burst up every rot

need a 2nd battery always

[astral zephyr]

before farming for ayaka i had like shit CV artifacts with 150 er and anemona sword

not even 3-4s after burst

she had burst

[stark fern]

what's your ayaka ratio with Anemona

[latent thicket]

can shenhe be dps?

[astral zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769163019019878402/926444459728728115/unknown.png

im still sad for this piece

[stark fern]

pain life

[astral zephyr]

i think i have around only 190 cv

since my cryo goblet is like only 12 cv

My ayaka is chunky with 22657 hp

[frank furnace]

do you have a vid of your shenhe runs

to see how soon her quills get eaten up by ayaka

feels liek ganyu is just a safer pick for me

i'll just get shenhe on her rerun lol

[astral zephyr]

I used something like

shenhe EQ

kazu QE

kokomi E

ayaka EQ

shenhe E then back to ayaka

after that i've already fucked up my rotation

[ripe cedar]

your mouse buttons can be broken and you can still finish abyss 9* with Shenhe

[stark fern]

Interesting, I'm willing to craft Anemona then if the burst is up every rot as you say it is

Need kazuha first tho

rerun soon

[astral zephyr]

that's my alt

[frank furnace]

maybe i should just a6 my ayaka

[astral zephyr]

That team started with ayaka kazu mona diona, to ayaka kazu koko rosa, and finally ayaka kazu koko shenhe

[stark fern]

imagine winning 50/50s

[astral zephyr]

imagine winning but on alt

[stark fern]

literally sitting with a C4 jean in my inv

[astral zephyr]

my main have 7 lose 3 win

[stark fern]

[astral zephyr]

shenhe literally broke my winning streak

at least it was early

[stark fern]

Make your alt your main

[astral zephyr]

no

i dont want to leave raiden

[wooden stratus]

How do you get this again

[pliant solar]

nice ez c0 then pain for c2

[ripe cedar]

how lucky
I lost raiden's 50/50 3 times
and have to use epitomized path to get EL

[astral zephyr]

I should've continued for EL

[astral zephyr]

Well how many wishes did you use

if you say 100 wishes it doesnt count

[astral zephyr]

paimon moe

[ripe cedar]

580-ish

[wooden stratus]

This is paimon moe right

[stark fern]

[astral zephyr]

[ripe cedar]

not the pride

[astral zephyr]

I used around 330 for raiden c2 and unforged

[ripe cedar]

but RNGOD blessed me with this

[stark fern]

@astral zephyr what weapon did kazuha and kokomi use in that run

[astral zephyr]

4tom ttds

[wooden stratus]

https://youtu.be/pd4Gpx1Ve6s

[astral zephyr]

iron sting

[stark fern]

I see, thanks

[astral zephyr]

My artifacts arent that good

i 36* rotations with 160cv ayaka some time ago

just ayaka + kazu things i guess

[stark fern]

9* with that team tho so I'm just surprised cuz I thought ayaka always needs Diona/Rosaria battery

what a pro

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe as the cryo monster when

[astral zephyr]

it was actually the faster half of those 2

hutao needed more time per half

c0 not having stamina after first rotation is pain

because i kept wasting stamina i guess

skill issue

you saw ayaka koko kazu, just missing shenhe i guess ER/atk/atk

[wooden stratus]

Keqing actually does great damage

Fuck

U only need shenhe too

Damn

That's not bad

[wooden stratus]

Chongyun

[ripe cedar]

liyue cryo actually make for good team

[wooden stratus]

What cy doin there

Burst dps?

[ripe cedar]

yeah, his damage is actually good
also shenhe E CD reduction
also make shenhe and qiqi can use the quills outside their burst / skill
he's kinda the glue that ties them all together

[lost echo]

Is 185 ER good for Shenhe?

[astral zephyr]

Depends on team, how much atk you have, still that ER is better than mine

[wooden stratus]

Who doesn't have Chongyun tho

[astral zephyr]

All I got from shenhe banner was chong

[lost echo]

I only pulled her so no idea

This is with Lithic spear

With fav Lance it can go higher

[wooden stratus]

My friend

[wooden stratus]

He was free for latern rite

Threw a bunch of trash into strongbox for glad pieces and ended up with a passable ER on shime/glad (bottom) to compare to BS (top)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839208223084773408/928682838717513848/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839208223084773408/928682839266955344/unknown.png
With CQ buff its ends up at 3958 attack on BS and 4364 attack with ShimeGlad. I'm really split between the two 🤷‍♂️

And he is in the current banner

[wooden stratus]

Shes got beidou there

[wooden stratus]

She cant pull because shes guaranteed

Aflnd he's on this latern rite

*and

Shes getting yun jin so

[wooden stratus]

She wants yae

[wooden stratus]

No, ayato

Man ayato simps are unreal

Raiden and yae I get

Cause honkai which means they would reference in some way

But ayato

💀

We dont know what he looks like

If we did then id get the simpage

Liyue beauties

[remote pebble]

has the same VA as otto

[wooden stratus]

So y'all simping for voices now

💀

[remote pebble]

yes

im a VA nerd

[ripe cedar]

https://twitter.com/Suspu/status/1469706765784817667 Ayato

🍩 Suspu 🍩 (@Suspu)

i've the genshin impact fandom and i have wildly different hopes for kamisato ayato ... here's my interpretation

Retweets

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22681

Twitter · Dec 11, 2021, 4:32 PM

[wooden stratus]

Anyone familiar with ER requirements know ER for Shenhe on Ayaka Shenhe Kazuha Kokomi?

[ripe cedar]

check this one

@wooden stratus

[wooden stratus]

Aha thats the one I was looking for

Thank you

[chilly hinge]

I should probably just pin that sheet since it seems pretty accurate based on live testing

[patent smelt]

you have enlightened me, i cant see it any other way now

who will be the yugi to his kaiba?

[sour socket]

How does Cryo Keqing fair with Shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

it's kinda better to pair cryo keqing with yunjin except in quickswap teams

[stark fern]

What would be a good build for C6 Chongyun to pair with Ayaka and Shenhe

2p noblesse and 2p blizzard?

And is sacrificial worth running on him or no

[ripe cedar]

4pc noblesse
his 40 energy 12s burst have 100% uptime and can buff Shenhe's atk that THEN buff everyone's attack
You got twice the atk buff in one

[stark fern]

hmmm and weapon?

Blackcliff or fish or sacrificial

[ripe cedar]

need actual testing
but for damage, serpent spine 🙂
for utility, sac

[stark fern]

aight cool, thanks

[ripe cedar]

[elder falcon]

do we know er requirements for ganyu shenhe proto amber mona and kazuha ?

[dapper jewel]

ER for shenhe?

i'm also interested in trying this setup until kokomi reruns

[obtuse glen]

Just checking, does Shenhe's C1 stack her quills or just reset their amount?

[astral zephyr]

Reset

[ebon jackal]

Just realised her skill snapshots chongyun’s cooldown reduction, kinda want to play cryo keq now

[chilly hinge]

I have an ER cheat sheet pinned that includes some popular comps (make sure to read assumptions as deviations from that may make your results differ)

[dapper jewel]

thanks for this! i had a feeling i needed to find some more ER on ayaka even before shenhe came out lmao

[bright fjord]

Is Shenhe only good for Ayaka?

[chilly hinge]

Yeah that’s why I’m liking Venti a lot in her teams for that purpose, though that’s still an early opinion with very litimited testing

[sharp eagle]

i like to use her in rosaria kaeya comp as quickswap.

[bright fjord]

Ah ok thanks :))

[half lily]

Shenhe is basically good in all cryo focused teams

[stuck dirge]

does someone knows if shenhe's cryo buff works on herself while on chongyun's E?

[ripe cedar]

it should

[stuck dirge]

her buff is on the tap-E right? || sorry if i sound really dumb asking this ||

[ripe cedar]

there are two separate buffs
tap E buffs skill and burst damage
hold E buffs attack damage

[stuck dirge]

ohhh alr got it

ty

[tough seal]

thoughts on spine vs favonius?

[sage nymph]

both are trash

unless you have them

on an unrelated note whats the best ftp weapon for shenhe

[ripe cedar]

Spine is second BiS iirc

oh wait im wrong

nr 4 but not too far from homa/EL

which is really good

[tough seal]

sweet

she does need a lot of ER though which is why fav seemed alright

[wooden stratus]

Cryo keq is actually

Hilarious

[pulsar ore]

I mean, it also lowers er req so thats a plus

[golden flower]

it requires chongyun right ?

[fossil leaf]

anyone has c1 shenhe can confirmed that u get both 15% dmgbonus with AA,CA & EQ if u hold E > Q > E

[dapper jewel]

it's basically no.3 IMO - getting homa passive active on shenhe, in a freeze team, is a bit of a stretch

on team-building with Shenhe - while I wait for a Kokomi rerun, what do you guys think is a better option: Ayaka - Mona (prototype amber vs ttds?) - Kazuha/Venti - Shenhe ? or Ayaka - Mona (same weapon dilemma) - Ganyu - Shenhe ?

[wooden stratus]

do u think cryo keqing is viable

keq, cy, shenhe, barbs for frozen and stamina reduction

🤡

[pliant solar]

i dont see why not

cryo keq was a niche thing for a while iirc when bs came out

[hallow flower]

i dont think its very good

[wooden stratus]

💀

maybe after yae i'll get ayaka

we can dream

[pliant solar]

viable depends on how cracked your keq is

keq is still keq at the end of the day

ive been messing around with kaz chong shenhe diona

its alright

comfy brainless button mashing

better to just replace chong with rosa but lore

[wooden stratus]

I mean i dont have good BS pieces lmao

But she does like 15k per CA slash? So 30k every time she CAs

But kinda monka when everything else in her kit would not do much lmao

[pliant solar]

yeaa if u dont have a good bs set youre better off with electro or if u really want to shenhe maybe phys lmao

[wooden stratus]

Whats shenhe dpr assuming atk cryo crit

[peak kernel]

Guys do y think this rotation for shenhe/Chong is good?
Shenhe E suc E Q bennet Q E Chong Q E shenhe Q repeat

[ripe cedar]

do chong E first if C2 to reduce Shenhe CD

[peak kernel]

Ah ok thx

[wooden stratus]

does anybody have a rotation for ayaka/shenhe/diona/anemo? and whats a preferrable anemo character in the comp i mnetioned for 2.4?

[pliant solar]

venti would help lower er reqs

kaz for damage

both do grouping well

even tho triple cryo all 3 are 80 cost

[wooden stratus]

when you dont have both

[pliant solar]

what about jean or sayu

u could drop diona for rosa and add an anemo healer

[wooden stratus]

sayu i guess

[wooden stratus]

would chongyun be better or rosaria?

[pliant solar]

id say rosa

since shes the battery there

[wooden stratus]

rosaria with the catch or fav lance

[pliant solar]

both are fine

fav would help with team energy

but if u have enough er on others already u dont need it

[wooden stratus]

oh alrighty ty ^^

[pliant solar]

npnp

[fossil leaf]

wdyg think about the 9 quill with ayaka

[shut lintel]

Is shenhe worth replacing kazuha in freeze team

Man irdk how to slot shenhe into any teams. Am i supposed to do triple or even 4x cryo?

[rocky mirage]

Triple quills. Anemos with an absorbtion can sub for a cryo character

[pliant solar]

triple is as far as id go

also keep kaz

[rocky mirage]

So like for freeze, it would be shen, cryo main, anemo(with absorption) , hydro

For mono u sub the hydro for another cryo

Theres some specific TC’ed teams floating around, but experimenting within that structure should give you favorable results

[fossil leaf]

anemo mc?

[ripe cedar]

works as well
anemo mc have very quick skill hits and prioritizes cryo

[wooden stratus]

I wonder if catch shenhe is a thing

[wooden stratus]

Late but i think fav is good if u stack crit on rosaria for the crit share u get the passive for fav too

[feral garden]

Does anyone know if Ayaka's Q snapshots Shenhe tap E passive buff?

[neat quail]

So Ayaka’s Q snapshots, which means the question is does burst damage % snapshot?

[dire ivy]

Wouldnt benny be really good

For shenhe

Cause u can snapshot stuff like ayaka Q

Which makes the quills do more

[sinful flume]

I think the problem with Bennett is that him himself doesnt proc the quills

[fleet thistle]

bennett is really good because her quicks are after attacks so she'd be buffing more

along with ayaka getting the buff too

[foggy kindle]

Friend is asking, Clamity or blackclift and Atk goblet or cryo goblet for shenhe dps

[silk oak]

Ayaka shenhe ganyu diona is good? Or should i switch someone

[dire ivy]

Get an anemo in there

[quick venture]

Hi ! My friend, who's on MOBILE, have Ayaka but hesitates between Ganyu and Shenhe. He currently plays Mona Sucrose Diona. He is asking if, team-damage wise, between Ganyu and Shenhe, who's better when replacing Diona (and Mona for mono cryo).

[crimson scaffold]

is benny actually good for shenhe comps though? maybe ayaka snapshots but i'm not sure if shenhe's quills do

[wooden stratus]

They dont

Quills are dynamic

[neat quail]

I’m not a fan of benny + shenhe. They both buff the same part of the damage formula. She’s nicer when paired with damage % supports. She’s got very nice synergy with kazoo

[ember mauve]

c6 benny is good for reverse melting quills if you stay on field with shenhe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhE-KEf_hZ4

[neat quail]

That’s pretty sweet actually

[stark fern]

for any based chads who's playing abyss with Ayaka n Shenhe, do y'all tap or hold her E

if hold, what's the rotation

[fleet thistle]

I still believe bennett is really good with shenhe but I guess I’m more on an unpopular fence on this? Idm if something doesn’t snap shot as long as I can get a bigger burst the first few seconds of a set up

[ripe cedar]

Just tested
using shenhe's skill after ganyu uses her burst still adds the quill effect to ganyu's burst
this means you should be able to do this:

• use long lasting burst (ganyu, rosaria, kaeya)
• use bennett burst
• use shenhe's skill while inside bennett's burst and stay inside until all the quills are used up

[crimson scaffold]

so in other words
main dps shenhe

c6 benny even turns her into a rev melt enabler

[ripe cedar]

or even (haven't tested yet)
use bennett burst
use rosaria burst that snapshots bennett's burst
use shenhe skill to double the atk buff

I'm gonna test it

[crimson scaffold]

does she have separate ICD on CAs?

i wonder if she can sustain her burst + another cryo one with her own pyro app + kaz pyro burst

[tough seal]

any thoughts on which is the better team out of these two options: kaz/ganyu/ayaka/shenhe vs kaz/(ganyu or ayaka)/shenhe/childe c4 (off-field hydro application)

[crimson scaffold]

off field hydro with childe? how?

i don't have him so i don't know his entire kit tbh

but i would personally go with triple cryo to max shenhe's quill buff

[tough seal]

c4 procs riptide every 4 seconds regardless of any other buffs, and it applies when he's off field as well

i was kind of leaning towards triple cryo myself though

my only thing is it plays very burst focused and since ganyu/ayaka's bursts have lots of hits i wasn't sure if that's the best use of shenhe's quills

[ripe cedar]

yeah
my rosaria unbuffed damage got 7k
my rosaria + bennett got 11k
my rosaria + bennett + shenhe got 17k
my rosaria + bennett + (shenhe+bennett) got 19k

this is good lmao

@fleet thistle

[rocky mirage]

Is that reactionless dmg?

[ripe cedar]

reactionless

[rocky mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/whitechicks-yum-tongue-creepy-creeper-gif-4061877

[tough seal]

19k per tick of rosa ult?

[dapper jewel]

people are testing shenhe w c6 bennett? can i get some more info?

[fleet thistle]

Thank you for testing this out for me with numbers

[rocky mirage]

I have to say. Shenhe and ganyu in the OW is feeling kinda awkward

[pliant solar]

if youre doing OW try chong

[fleet thistle]

For the last one I’m sorry for being a little bit slow at the moment, what do you mean by shenhe bennett in brackets?

Compared to the number above it

[ripe cedar]

because shenhe's quill is dynamic, when shenhe is in bennett circle she gets bennett buff as well
so rosaria gets twice the bennett buff
first from bennett to rosaria directly
then from bennett to shenhe to rosaria in form of quill

now I'm gonna try ttds bennett shenhe

[neat quail]

Tap.

Shen QE -> venti EQ -> Mona EQ -> Ayaka D n1 E Q -> Shen E funnel to Ayaka

[fleet thistle]

Alright thank you that makes a lot more sense now I feel a bit silly not assuming that from just reading

Yeah that seeks about what I’d assume with my builds too

[ripe cedar]

oh yeah noblesse also applies twice too

noblesse to rosaria
noblesse to shenhe to rosaria

[fleet thistle]

Tired as hell today

You’re running nobles bennet?

Or shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

noblesse hp hp heal

on benny

[fleet thistle]

Nice

Yeah it’s the same for yunjin too. Bennett/Sara is a nice addition onto their buffs which I honestly like

Rather than just choosing one over the other they blend nicely on same team

[stark fern]

Thanks

[rocky mirage]

If ur running a yoimiya team the bennett gives the bonus of, helping energy and resonance as well too

this the first time in a while slotting the new 4 star feels easier than slotting the 5 star

[fleet thistle]

I feel like both are equally great they feel incredible to play as well too, here’s a video Apollo provided

It’s more meme build and ofc all c6 but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUogZVVP4k

Thought if anyone didn’t see it in general could have a look

[rocky mirage]

Yea its cool. But Tony To isnt really the avg experience lol

Like going to a mega yacht convention with canoe money

[fleet thistle]

Even w/o c6 nonsense the idea itself is fun

And actually playable

For avg

Just ignore the big numbers on the screen

[ripe cedar]

I know it's a meme but it should be CY not Shen

[fleet thistle]

Hai.

Same with yunjin

Yunjin is like ‘oh you... charge attacked...?’

Too bad aa now.

You used electro?

Too bad, nephew I need help exterminating the evil

[wooden stratus]

Its really shenhe

Because without her

The damage is cope

[ripe cedar]

no

keqing is cope in all element

[wooden stratus]

Nope cyro actually is decent

[rocky mirage]

i feel like shenhe c1 shoulda be a CD reduce over a second charge

Maybe 🤔

I still gotta practice with her

[fleet thistle]

No I like how I can stack the buffs

Or have both

It improved her frontload playstyle even more

Improves*

[rocky mirage]

I dont have c1 so ill take ur word for it

Ive just been mass consuming videos

Of course i also dont use ayaka

[ripe cedar]

the buffs stacks?

[fleet thistle]

I don’t either I’ve been looking at videos too and also sitri had a video on his channel showcasing it

[fleet thistle]

Buffs stack, W quills no

[rocky mirage]

The buffs stack not the quills though

[fleet thistle]

So you can get 30% na ca for example

Really pog actually

Or mix and match

[ripe cedar]

what
what

[rocky mirage]

Wait huh?

[pliant solar]

nono

u can stack both 15% of the buff

[fleet thistle]

You can hold press for both

[pliant solar]

effectively 15% all dmg

[fleet thistle]

Which is the na buff

[pliant solar]

hold

[rocky mirage]

U cant double stack the same buff can u?

[fleet thistle]

Or tap twice for the Es buff

You can

[pliant solar]

tap and hold once each

[fleet thistle]

Tested by people already

[rocky mirage]

Tap and hold are different buffs

Yuelia is talking about double tap or double hold

[fleet thistle]

^

[pliant solar]

u can tap twice for 30% ele skill and burst dmg??

[fleet thistle]

I can get up and get video evidence too if no make sense

Yes

[pliant solar]

fuck

[rocky mirage]

I understand i just didnt know

[fleet thistle]

It’s awesome

[ripe cedar]

fug

[pliant solar]

i should have pulled on her banner for yunjin

[fleet thistle]

I love that con so much it’s really tempting

[ripe cedar]

too bad I am saving for Yae

[pliant solar]

i did it on xiao banner cause i didnt expect to get him

and then i did

in 6 pulls

could have been a c1

[fleet thistle]

Same here even with all the yae doomium

[rocky mirage]

as dope as that is though. I cant justify sacrificing yae for that c1

Its niche squared

[fleet thistle]

Might splurge a bit if I cave in

[pliant solar]

tho

u can only get it for the first rotation right

[fleet thistle]

Also agreed but it’s really nice to have con

If you like

[pliant solar]

every e after is regular cd assuming u use it off cd

[fleet thistle]

The charges should start cd the moment you use one I believe

So maybe like 1-2 seconds off? I’d have to check that

[rocky mirage]

I do have this nagging feeling, that our next hydro character will want to be cryo with chong and shen

just a guess based on how i see MHY likes to move

[pliant solar]

ayato

sussy leaks say he wants to e spam to charge stacks

and then q

and he also reduces e cd

[fleet thistle]

Sissy leaks be real cuz that sounds hella fun to build teams with disregarding if the dmg is cope or not

Sussy*

[ripe cedar]

Skyward Spine is not cope at all on Shenhe
crits, ER, high base atk, and most importantly, drip

[fleet thistle]

Amen brothers

[rocky mirage]

Looks good

Mine is renting engulfing lightning until 2.5

[wooden stratus]

Do i keep going for lithic spear or no

[pliant solar]

wep is still too niche imo

[wooden stratus]

Do i stick with my catch then

[stark fern]

bruhhhhhh

fuck

[wooden stratus]

[frigid stump]

now you're getting somewhere

[stark fern]

or dendro reactions

mhy thinking 7 patches ahead

[obtuse glen]

If Dendro is more than 5 patches away then I don’t even know anymore. Imagine being in 2.9 and we don’t have Dendro

[dapper jewel]

Wait c1 lets you double buff?

Please don’t tempt me to roll for c1

[stark fern]

ONLY her A4, which goes to 30% if you use E twice

but that's also using E twice which is like

just save for yae

[ebon jackal]

Quills don’t stack, so you still need to time it correctly for the double buff

And second charge doesn’t start cooldown until the first charge cd ends, which kinda sucks

[stark fern]

Wait what

Why

why's that a thing

[ebon jackal]

I think it’s to prevent you from having a 5s buff downtime by constantly swapping

Otherwise you could tap > wait 5s > tap > wait 5s etc

[stark fern]

that's still so weird

[dapper jewel]

Hmm that does sound kind of clunky

[stark fern]

cringe devs

[dapper jewel]

I have enough for a 50/50 on c1 and don’t plan to pull for yae…but I should prob just save for kokomi rerun I guess

[sour socket]

Is Kokomi a staple for Shenhe comps?

[potent solstice]

how does shenhe with 4pc thunderfury looks like for better quill uptime?

[rocky mirage]

Just to be clear shenhe quill duration = CD right?

[scarlet stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798969666881323018/928819583702417418/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798969666881323018/928814750719156264/unknown.png

[scarlet stone]

weapon and artifact calcs

Conclusion:
There are only really 3 settings you have to care about:
Cheap mix-match: A balance between full offense and cheap to build. Any combination of 2 Blizzard/2 Shimenawa/2 Glad/2 Noblesse works.
Full support: 4 Noblesse. For most Freeze comps, this is what you should be going, unless you have a better Noblesse carrier (usually Mona). The damage shenhe lost is more worth it by buffing the other Cryo carries/Anemo swirling Cryo.
Full offense: 4 Blizzard Strayer. If you have a Noblesse carrier already, go with this in Mono Cryo and Freeze.

Personally, I recommend 4 Noblesse as your goal, before that, mix match until you farm a good Noblesse set.

Main stat:
The difference between ADC (ATK/Crit/Cryo), 2 ATK Cryo, 2 ATK Crit and 3 ATK are all within 5% of each other, with ADC variants becoming better in AoE. However, just for peace of mind, no reason to farm for Crit and Cryo when difference is so miniscule, and their drop rate is significantly lower than ATK%. Her Cryo buffs and Shred is important in Cryo comps, especially in AoE, so getting burst off CD is also important. I recommend 1 ER 2 ATK or 3 ATK depending on your ER requirement and weapon choices.

Substats:
ER% until ER requirement > ATK% > Crit% (she doesnt need crit as much as other units).

Depending on comp, your ER requirement might differ. Use one of the available ER calculators to meet your exact needs. However, generally you want 170-190% in a freeze comp where she will also be the battery for the other Cryo carry. In Mono Cryo comps where there are usually 3 Cryos, 130-150% is adequate.

[rocky mirage]

Is it a signifact loss to run ER sands with Engulfing?

[fleet thistle]

Thank you for guide

[rocky mirage]

Actually nvm. That should be simple arithmetic. Lemme look again

[vapid egret]

is 50% uptime like 50% frozen+50%cryo or 50%frozen+50%no element

[dapper jewel]

thanks for the write-up! if i'm using an ayaka, mona, kazuha, shenhe team and mona usually uses 4pc tenacity, is it worth changing my artifact setup? i have really good substats on 2glad/2shim for shenhe already (2k atk, 30/57 cr/cd, and 26 er, weapon is spine) and i don't really have a workable noblesse set for shenhe. i could try swapping her to 4pc blizz but not sure if subs will be as good

[astral zephyr]

How much atk do you have in total?

[dapper jewel]

Without tenacity buff and lvl 80/80 (I will 90 her but need to kill boss a couple more times) she’s at 3550

Mona uses ttds but I give the buff to Ayaka - I also may swap her to prototype amber depending on new abyss needs

[ripe cedar]

Thank you!
Yeah Skyward Spine is comfortably #3 pick there since #3 Homa needs you to be under 50% HP

[astral zephyr]

Me using pwjs

[ripe cedar]

does it look good at least

[scarlet stone]

Most important is burst off CD. If you can do that on your noblesse set while having decent atk its good. If its a super bad set stick to 2 shime 2 glad until you farm a good set is still fine. Mona Kaz Ayaka has a lot of dmg% having good atk buffs on ayaka helps a lot.

Farming Noblesse shouldnt be too hard since its atk circlet and atk cup, which has good drop rates

[dapper jewel]

it's worth giving up shenhe personal damage from all the crit rolls on my current set? how might these considerations change also if mona was swapped for kokomi?

appreciate the insight btw, shenhe's kit being so unique making it confusing to figure out how best to build & use her lol

[fleet thistle]

@wooden stratus Do you think WGS CY for cyro kokusei is okay?

[wooden stratus]

Kokusei?

[fleet thistle]

keqing

[wooden stratus]

Oh her

Yea

Wgs Cy pretty good in situations like this

If u ask me

[autumn sorrel]

in terms of leveling is maximizing her level that important since quill seems to be more just an additional bonus vs leaving her at 70/80 like most supports?

[dapper jewel]

her quills are a large chunk of how she contributes to team damage, so higher base atk from levels means more scaling from huge atk% investment, not to mention ability to level E past 8

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe c1 can stack her a4 buffs right

[fleet thistle]

yes

[rocky mirage]

Can shenhe c1 directly sub into that rosaria morgana rotation i saw with rosaria?

[dapper jewel]

the quickswap team?

[rocky mirage]

Yea

Im really struggling to find a team rotation that feels smooth atm

[dapper jewel]

i'm not sure - i thought the issues people brought up about her in that team were around her burst CD? so c1 wouldn't help

i might be misremembering that though

[dapper jewel]

i feel this lol. what have you been trying so far?

[rocky mirage]

Might be

[rocky mirage]

Well idont have ayaka or venti, but ill get venti next time

Ganyu, shenhe, flex flex. I trying: jean, kazuha, diona, mona

I prefer to freeze over mono cryo, but it feels weird

I can see how ayaka just fits because of the melee to melee

[dapper jewel]

yeah there are some positional advantages

i think for the characters you have, if you want to do freeze w her, mona kazuha should work

[ripe cedar]

shenhe C2 can substitute that newgana comp

but yeah, C2

because 90% burst uptime and 100% shred uptime

kqm said that the shred lingers for 2s after burst ends

[rocky mirage]

Going c2 on a char i cant seem to fit at c0 feels wrong though

[ripe cedar]

yeah teue

true

[rocky mirage]

Plus yae is up next

[ripe cedar]

it's a bandaid

[dapper jewel]

pulling constellations for 5* is so difficult imo

[rocky mirage]

I have a few 5* cons, but it was a combination of spending and sheer luck

If u start losing 50/50 it can get pretty sour pretty fast

[dapper jewel]

yeah i got lucky and got c1 hu tao and am glad to have that, but i also went for c2 raiden and kinda wish i had the pulls back since i don't like using her as much as ayaka/hu tao

[modern python]

Would it be possible to go with this rotation? Shenhe E Q > Venti Q > Mone Q E > Ayaka D Q E > Shenhe E? Will ayaka Q benefit from both shenhe's E instances?

[dapper jewel]

i think she should

if the second E hits before the ayaka burst ends