Shenhe Thread

[mystic linden]

you can get that without shenhe

[ripe cedar]

and with rosaria crit transfer too

[broken yarrow]

oh man i dont have any good noblesse artifacts for shenhe

ive got stuff that will let me get by but

yikes

painful honestly

but i have this off-piece so that'll be worth something

[ripe cedar]

my glad 4pc atk/atk/atk artis have 161 CV but only 117% ER lol

[broken yarrow]

whats cv sorry

[ripe cedar]

crit value

[broken yarrow]

ohhh i see

[ripe cedar]

2x crit rate + crit dmg

[broken yarrow]

right

i currently also only have 117% er

[mystic linden]

mine has 60cv and 62er

[broken yarrow]

however none of my artifacts are leveled up

except the flower

[ripe cedar]

I can switch to skyward spine and get more atk but

[mystic linden]

nearly 200 er with fav lance so i can get shenhe into w/e team i feel like trying

[ripe cedar]

with spine I reach 154% er, with EL 177% er
switched some artis, drops to 140 cv, 140% ER, and gains some more atk
I think I'm good with this one

176% ER with skyspine

[ripe cedar]

any cals with a healer like jean or diona instead of venti?
or using mona?

[mystic linden]

dmg should be more or less the same w/ jean, ~20% less with diona due to lack of vv

[ripe cedar]

1 million damage per 20 s-ish rot, so it's 50k dpspr right

[earnest kestrel]

This should be enough? Or is this too much ER?

[craggy adder]

does shehe quill scale of on-field cryo dmg bonus or smth as well?

[ripe cedar]

it should since the on field cryo dmg buffs the on field character that will use the quills

[craggy adder]

but the crit won't be shared ?

only the cryo bonus

so a general team for her is aya-coco-shenhe-kazu ?

atk/atk/atk, er substat
2 atk / 2atk or 2 blizzard?

[ripe cedar]

crit will only use the quill driver

[main delta]

she has a 80 burst, you'll always want a lot. Test with xl to get a feel

[ripe cedar]

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/1815443 is the attack gif in this article sped up?

[earnest kestrel]

Thoughts?

[random oracle]

the last team doesnt look like youre melting much

also you could be snapshotting ganyu ult

[earnest kestrel]

Yea just realized, need to fix that rotation

[random oracle]

everything else seems reasonable

i thonk

2nd team no kaz E

[earnest kestrel]

Fixed

Bennett's Q should take priority over Shenhe's Q for Kaz's infusion correct?

[ripe cedar]

you kinda want to use all the res shred and dmg buff before unloading your quills

to maximize quill damage

[earnest kestrel]

Only Ganyu is utilizing quills with that rotation.

Shenhe can do couple of normal attacks in between I guess

[mystic linden]

could probably use mona instead of bennett for hyper ayaka

and melt ganyu without a shield is a terrible idea that i would only ever recommend for speedrunners

[earnest kestrel]

Agreed. Ganyu can't afford to get interrupted during CA.

[earnest kestrel]

No heals though.

And not everything can be frozen.

[glass roost]

Do you guys have any shenhe scaling leaks?

[ripe cedar]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/shenhe/?lang=EN

[coral onyx]

Oh maybe they buffed her particule generation
https://uploadstatic-sea.mihoyo.com/contentweb/20211229/2021122918573584578.gif
shows 3 for tap and 4 for hold

Still worse than Ayaka and Ganyu but not ridiculous now

[main delta]

I thought it's 2-3 and 3-4?

[coral onyx]

we'll see next week if that's it

[proven fern]

her phys NA don't proc quills tho

[earnest kestrel]

Oh right....well thats a small loss

[little ether]

how does shenhe buff a character? im lowkey confused

[proven fern]

pins. also, it works the same as zhongli's passive that adds damage based on HP. except its based on shenhe's ATK, and it goes to 5/7 hits of another char

[little ether]

i see

so more quills is longer duration of her buff

[proven fern]

its ultimately limited by the amount of hits

[little ether]

ahhh okay, thank you

[hard pendant]

what stats do you get for shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

atk/atk/atk, er substat, crit as luxury

[hard pendant]

is atk percent for substat also good?

[ripe cedar]

yeah, but you kinda need to fulfill shenhe's ER requirement first

maybe it's ER > more atk% > crits

[hard pendant]

how much er does she need?

approximately

[main delta]

depends on your rotation and funneling

[ripe cedar]

faq says 165% - 180%

[main delta]

that's the sweet spot yeah

[ripe cedar]

but things like venti or favonius diona, etc helps

[hard pendant]

i was worried about not getting enough er and now i have too much...

[main delta]

you shouldn't have too much if you go triple atk mainstats

[silk oak]

Using atk cryo atk rn and have around 220 er

Suffering from succes

[ripe cedar]

how much atk

[hard pendant]

how much atk percent is good?

or how much atk is good?

[main delta]

People are doing their sheets with 3400-3500 minimum

[hard pendant]

bruh

rn the lv 20 rozaria that i have the artifacts on is 2.5k

[kindred pivot]

From what I have read in pins, jade spear > every 4 star option?

Also each character have their own icy quills?

[wooden stratus]

???? Atk% relies on the base atk tho right?

[kindred pivot]

Yeah ofc

[hard pendant]

is flat attack added after atk percent or before?

[wooden stratus]

Oh wow i have no idea

I assume after

Since flat doesnt increase base atk

And atk% is based of base atk?

[ripe cedar]

I think the formula is
(chara atk + wep atk) x (100% + atk%) + flat atk

[kindred pivot]

Before

[coral onyx]

After, flat atk would actually be good if it was before

[kindred pivot]

Ohh I thought he asked base atk. My bad

Since I asked question on 5 star weapon so I assumed it was base atk

[craggy adder]

spine and shenhe weapon diff?

[feral garden]

Does anyone know what will hurt Ayaka ER reqs in Ayaka/Venti/Kokomi/Diona comp more - replacing Venti with Kazuha or replacing Diona with Shenhe?

forgot to mention, Diona has Elegy in Kazuha version of this comp

[bleak furnace]

Can we make team of Ayaka shenhe Kazuha Mona?

[ripe cedar]

you kinda waste the quill since kazuha will be built em/em/em, and shenhe atk/atk/atk, and ayaka can only use 5 quills during her 20 hit burst

[bleak furnace]

Oh

so what’s the ideal team comp? Since I need to pull characters starting from cryo dps

[ripe cedar]

people are still testing right now, but generally you'd want 2 cryo characters with good dmg% and crits to use shenhe's quill

[bleak furnace]

Oh

[ripe cedar]

if you want to maximize her quill

since a lot of her power is in it

[bleak furnace]

So something like Ganyu Ayaka combo ?

[ripe cedar]

yeah, something like that

[bleak furnace]

Offensive diona ?

I have rosa built too

[main delta]

offensive diona and Rosaria are the ones on top of my head

[bleak furnace]

But I don’t think she’s compatible

[ripe cedar]

offensive diona can still use HP sands and ER weapon since what's needed from shenhe's teammates are dmg% and crits

[bleak furnace]

My rosa is 2 piece bloodstain 2 piece BS

C5 tho

[ripe cedar]

rosaria might want 2 BS 2 NO

[main delta]

well give her other artis then

[ripe cedar]

or go straight 4 NO

[bleak furnace]

Ah

[ripe cedar]

you farmed bloodstained so I guess you'd have some NO artis lying around

[bleak furnace]

Yes I have

But I used them on diona

HP BUILD

I just have one abyss team so I built rosa for later Half

Since fatui mages are pain

I built her physical

And burst

[ripe cedar]

one of shenhe's weakness is that you need to invest heavily in her teammates so I can understand if it seems harder to build her team

[bleak furnace]

With Benny

If shenhe needs diona then I need to reinvest in my team one

And get Tao Xq THoma sucrose to work

[ripe cedar]

do you have c4 Yanfei?

you can give c4 Yanfei Thoma or Diona's HP build artis

[bleak furnace]

The only 4 star missing is yanfei

[ripe cedar]

and join shieldfei cult

ouch

[main delta]

How many particles was Itto doing in his preview page?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daiMEg1-3w0 Because I think Shenhe's particle gen is buffed.

[bleak furnace]

And I have lost prayer

But no yanfei

[ripe cedar]

datamine says that her particle gens is always 2-3 for press and 3-4 for hold
people were just doomposting I guess

mihoyo just decided to use a record with 3/4 particle generation

unless of course they stealth buff her

to 3-4 and 4-5

[ripe cedar]

ouch, may you get yanfeis in your future pulls

[bleak furnace]

True

She can work Like sub dps

With max lost prayer

🙇🏻

[bleak furnace]

Isnt 3-4 particle gen enough for cryo team?

[ripe cedar]

80 energy burst is still a lot but should be doable

[bleak furnace]

If you run Double or triple cryo

Cryo already generates lot of particles

[hard pendant]

is shenhe support that buff skill/burst damage?

[ripe cedar]

faq says shenhe would need like 165% - 180% but I think she will need less

[main delta]

I'm gonna do an epic gamer move and go 4 cryos

[bleak furnace]

Perma frost Huh

[ripe cedar]

there are four part of her "buff" kit

1. ascension passive give 15% skill/burst damage or 15% attack damage
2. quill adds damage to cryo damage
3. burst shreds cryo and phys res
4. second ascension passive also give 15% cryo damage under burst area

[hard pendant]

so she is support for other cryo character?

[ripe cedar]

mainly, yes

only buff kit nr 1 and half of number 3 is applicable to non-cryo characters

[hard pendant]

which buff is the most impactful?

[ripe cedar]

the quills, nr. 2
but buff nr.1, 3, 4 are small buffs that combines into one big buff (30% dmg% bonus and 15% res shred is half of kazuha's kit, WITH vv)
so half and half I think

[remote pebble]

quills

[feral garden]

[feral garden]

ignored

[ripe cedar]

more like I'm not big brain enough to know

lol

[hard pendant]

so any cryo dps or sub dps is good with shenhe?

[remote pebble]

ye

[ripe cedar]

everyone that have cryo% ascension stat or crit ascension stat will work better with her
namely Eula, Ayaka, Ganyu, and Diona

[remote pebble]

tho in eula's case she wont have any cryo dmg% so quills are weaker

[remote pebble]

rosaria and aloy

[ripe cedar]

yes, true

[hard pendant]

the only ones i have from the list are eula and diona ;-;

would chungyun be good?

[ripe cedar]

sword characters will perform well because they can use harbinger of dawn (kaeya, qiqi, cryo-built kazuha)
claymore characters have serpent spine (chongyun, eula)

[hard pendant]

why is crit a good combination with shenhe?

[ripe cedar]

because shenhe's quill mechanic gives your character damage increase, not damage bonus
so it doesn't matter if your character have low attack, since what the quills need are dmg% and crits

[hard pendant]

so dmg percent on weapon isnt as good?

i ment atk percen

[ripe cedar]

dmg% on weapon is really good
but atk% isn't as good

you can treat the quills as shenhe's separate personal damage, if it makes sense

[hard pendant]

if venti uses his burst and it turns cryo, would it be affected by the quill buff?

[ripe cedar]

it should yes

[sage nymph]

I like to think of her quills as albedo’s E, if albedo used your carry’s crit and dmg stats

[ripe cedar]

chongyun also has the niche of enabling every melee character to do cryo damage

[sage nymph]

I feel like the comparison helps people understand why she is different from most buffers

[ripe cedar]

exactly, but better since it doesnt steal reaction

[sage nymph]

And can be amped with melt

[hard pendant]

wanted to get shenhe but she dosen't have good synergy with a lot of my characters

[ripe cedar]

with how fast mihoyo do reruns these days, I think it's ok to wait for her rerun
there's plenty of time and even more fun and beautiful characters will come

[sage nymph]

Also who wants to get a five star when you havent prepped materials for them

Thats why i didnt roll on itto lol

I only wanted him after doing his trial

But screw not being able to use a unit for several weeks while I farm up

[ripe cedar]

I will spend the rest of the week before patch update getting copium artifact for yunjin

husk ones

[sage nymph]

SAME

Havent started farming the domain yet,,,,,

[ripe cedar]

I still have to save 180 resin and 2 transient resin for shenhe boss materials too lol

[hard pendant]

i get characters because i am sad person whos likes 3d characters

[ripe cedar]

since I want to max ascend on day 2-3 at least

[ripe cedar]

there's nothing sad with liking characters

[wooden stratus]

Do you not have rosaria or kaeya

[hard pendant]

i have but they are not built

i could try build rozaria since i have a lot of constellations

[ripe cedar]

rosaria is pretty good and useful both as support and dps

[sage nymph]

Rosaria is cool as fuck

Shes so fun and versatile

[ripe cedar]

can do melt
can do freeze
can battery
can crit transfer

[hard pendant]

is crit rate most important stat for rozaria?

[sage nymph]

is more fun and has more interesting abilities than ayaka

[sage nymph]

Depends on you build her, but I’d go for a normal sub dps

Dont go all in on crit

Get a good ratio

[ripe cedar]

she gets more value from crit rate since she can transfer it
like how yanfei gets more value from crit rate since she can get additional attack from critted charge attack

[hard pendant]

so 1:2 ratio like normal?

[wooden stratus]

If freeze subdps i think 50/200 is safe

[ripe cedar]

maybe 1:1.5-ish?

[hard pendant]

ok

[ripe cedar]

if you go for support

[wooden stratus]

If normal NO/Bliz go 70-80/160

[ripe cedar]

I used to have 88% crit rate rosaria lol

[sage nymph]

Especially if you plan to use her with shenhe

Rosa will want good crit damage

Though with shenhe i think main DPS rosa/kaeya with Chongyun would be good

Maybe you dont need chong though

Just like shenhe-rosa-kaeya-anemo

[hard pendant]

does rozaria work work venti?

[ripe cedar]

chongyun has synergy with shenhe too since his C2 reduces cooldown and enable Shenhe tap e to have 8.5 s CD instead of 10 s

[hard pendant]

do i go atk on sands and damage bonus cup?

[ripe cedar]

on who?

[hard pendant]

rozaria

[sage nymph]

In mono cryo rosa should be okay with atk sands

[ripe cedar]

yes

[sage nymph]

But you sometimes need er on her

[ripe cedar]

just maintain good enough ER

[hard pendant]

is Favonius lance good on rozaria or the wavebreaker spear?

[sage nymph]

Oooh the wavebreaker would be sick

I’d go for that and just do ER sands or er substats

[hard pendant]

ok

[ripe cedar]

favonius in support build

if you want to pay for BP, you can give wavebreaker to shenhe and deathmatch to rosaria

[sage nymph]

Favonius shouldnt be necessary in mono cryo teams though

[ripe cedar]

shenhe wants wavebreaker's huge 620 base atk

shenhe can use favonius too tho

[hard pendant]

i have skyward spine for shenhe rn

[ripe cedar]

oh nice

[sage nymph]

If between shenhe and rosa i’d lean towards wavebreaker for shenhe

But that works too

I assume Emblem is BiS for non freeze Rosa?

[ripe cedar]

I'd give emblem to more burst-centered cryo character like ganyu, or ayaka

chongyun might be better with NO though

[sage nymph]

Yeah maybe 2 piece blizzard 2 piece shimenawa for main dps rosa

I think as burst support its good on her though

[short kelp]

ok who DOES shenhe have synergy with and what teams

[woven mantle]

like 5-6 units in the whole game

all units who can deal cryo damage semi consistently and build cryo damage as a main option

have good synergy

ok synergy with anemo units

[rotund wyvern]

Is there any reason for the inconsistency?

[proven fern]

are people basing this on the samplesize 1 observation in the mihoyo demo post?

[rotund wyvern]

I’m not sure

i never watched livestream so idk what specific footage they’re referring to.

[ebon jackal]

Yeah it’ll be the post mentioned. I don’t have the mihoyo link but it’s here at 1:30ish
https://youtu.be/daiMEg1-3w0

[rotund wyvern]

Ty!

[proven fern]

https://genshin.mihoyo.com/en/news/detail/18181

actual mhy post on their website

in livestream footage it was also 3 and 4, so sample size is 2 for each

[rotund wyvern]

Ty

[rose pine]

can someone briefly explain why shen he wants mainly attack% instead of crit?

[dapper jewel]

Her icy quills, which are one of the main ways she boosts the cryo damage of the rest of her team (assuming you are using her with other cryo characters, which would make sense), scales off her attack

[rose pine]

ty

[ancient oasis]

i'm pulling for her regardless but is shenhe actually good with any of my currently built dps?

probably gonna build her as mdps anyway but idk backup options lmfao

[ripe cedar]

she could do well with anemo lumine, and half well with eula

since anemo mc's absorption prioritizes cryo

[ancient oasis]

ah alr, thanks ^^ i wasn't really sure what i'd do with her tbh

[ripe cedar]

also dps-built diona

[ancient oasis]

now i'm considering building diona as a dps for fun-

[ripe cedar]

basically anyone who can deal cryo damage and have cryo cup and crit circlet can do well with shenhe
since shenhe will take care of the atk

[ancient oasis]

oh, thanks ^^ might actually properly build one of my cryo characters if I get her-

[coral onyx]

Only Kaeya/chongyun from what you have but if you pull her, prepare to save a guaranteed pull for Ayaka, (unless you don't care at all about challenging content and abyss 30+ stars)

[vapid egret]

except kaeya+rosaria have a pretty ez time 36*ing abyss

and he has a rosaria

its that thing at the bottom

i see her

[coral onyx]

I'll just guess he doesn't 36* at all and it doesn't change anything I said

[ancient oasis]

LMFAO THAT THING AT THE BOTTOM

oop didn't mean to reply

i lost the 50/50 on ayaka's banner but I actually do plan on getting her eventually

[vapid egret]

u cant hide rosaria from me

[ancient oasis]

rosaria doesn't exist

she's a figment of ur imagination idk what ur seeing but it's not rosaria

[vapid egret]

shenhe should contribute larger proportion of dps on lower damage characters
in a sense; she works better with said characters than shenhe+ayaka+ganyu

bc the MV she adds is static

as long as you proc all the stacks

[ancient oasis]

wait what if i just use chongyun and cryo infuse everything

massive waste of time but funny free cryo dmg

[vapid egret]

ayaka or ganyu is still recommended, just not necessary im pretty sure

[wooden stratus]

But you still need good cv to capitalize on it

[coral onyx]

You still need really high stats to make it scale with it, Ayaka Ganyu having CD as ascension bonus already gets ahead and then they have some cryo DMG% also

you are not doing equivalent to Ayaka with anyone to benefit from shenhe

[ancient oasis]

every day I get progressively saltier about losing the 50/50 on ayaka's banner tbh

[vapid egret]

i'm not saying that they do better than ayaka

i'm just saying havnig this be exclusively ayaka+ganyu tc channel is weird

[wooden stratus]

Because everyone is ayaka and ganyu havers

[ancient oasis]

I would pull for ganyu but I don't have the patience for charged shots tbh

[wooden stratus]

C6 insta-charges

[vapid egret]

we're already judging shenhe from extremely niche perspective, i think further going down to exclusive ganyu/ayaka tandem character is kind of not useful

[coral onyx]

Because TC tends to find theorical great to best scenarios, it's quite annoying to TC things sometimes so people have to choose what they spend time on
Ganyu alone with shenhe is already not that impressive on sheets

so I can't see a lot of people calcing it for Kaeya/rosaria but i may do it if I'm bored

[wooden stratus]

Well the ayaka ganyu tcs have been discussed ad nauseam for the past month. Everyone coming in daily to ask the same questions without smashing the search bar

[ancient oasis]

i might just run her as mdps because I have no intention of building my current cryo characters and I don't touch the abyss

[vapid egret]

not really just kaeya/rosaria, i just used them as example because they have very respectable damage and good utility(4.66?particles on frozen/crit buff)

[ancient oasis]

actually I recently got c6 rosaria so I might build her-

[coral onyx]

Well the ONLY way you can play her as Mdps at C0 is with Chongyun if you want to know

[vapid egret]

[ancient oasis]

at this point idek if i should pull for shenhe. i mean she's definitely my favourite character released in the last 3 months but i have no use for her

[coral onyx]

so think about having to invest in CHongyun if you want her that way, or save for Ayaka after you have her so you can 3 cryo + healer/shielder for comfort or whatever else you want if you don't care about abyss anyway

[ancient oasis]

ayaka might be getting a rerun in the 3-4 months right?

[wooden stratus]

Yes

[coral onyx]

It should be after a Kaz rerun but with the new 2 rerun banner sometimes it may be as fast as 2.6-2.7 so yeah

[vapid egret]

to be clear i wasn't complaining about ayaka/ganyu calcs
i just don't know if ayaka+ganyu+shenhe calculations are going to be useful for like anyone

[coral onyx]

Ayaka is like the 4th most successful original banner, and now that Inazuma characters are figured out her rerun banner numbers will go through the roof

[wooden stratus]

And ganyu right after shenhe. Its very possible to assemble all three of them in the near future

[plush sleet]

Ganyu ayaka Shenhe + kazoo im guessing?

Especially with the rate freeze is losing power

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe soon hypera

[tame flare]

Hi @coral onyx sorry for ping, I have a question about DoT timings that I was not able to find anywhere else. For my use case, I need to know exactly when the DoTs tick.. would you be able to tell me how many frames in between the tick intervals, and how many frames between first tick and second tick? As well as when the first tick starts?

actually I found a comment where you said initial tick happens at the same time as initial hit, is that still correct?

[bleak furnace]

woooooooooo

Testing started?

[dark yacht]

Does shenhe c2 add 15% additional cryo damage so it will be 30% including her passive?

Another question does Shenhe HOLD SKILL 15% add to c4 Albedo Plunge Bonus of 30% total 45%?

[hallow flower]

yes

[hallow flower]

c2 is cryo crit dmg

not cryo dmg

[dark yacht]

Thank u

[pulsar tinsel]

Any new from preload?

[pastel portal]

Gotta wait a bit, too soon lol

But E particle gen got buffed (as per mhy page gifs) so I guess there could be some changes in this final build

[neat geyser]

It was never buffed tho

[coral onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro9krQXQR3o The only clip we had of it showed that yes, we'll now for sur if it changed next week

[simple inlet]

how much CR should i have on a shenhe with r3 fav lance

considering cryo resonance

[pastel portal]

Ah shit I'm going senile, thought Es got buffed by 1 particle

[strange cliff]

any changes to Shen from Beta?

[main delta]

Ubatcha confirmed no changes from beta.

[wooden stratus]

Gonna pull shenhe first day and find out i have no team to use her

[glass roost]

Should i start farming the catch for shenhe

[coral onyx]

Maybe not for Shenhe but you should start farming The Catch R5
it's okay on shenhe

[glass roost]

I feel like she deserves it lol

But idk

What's her best weap?

[somber kite]

check the pinned FAQ

tldr 4* Fav Lance

5* Queller

[glass roost]

I'll just wait till her release so that i know what to upgrade

Anyways thanks

[coral onyx]

Some Shenhe comps, with Favonius and her signature weapon and 1 with Ayaka+Ganyu instead of Shenhe
I kept it Ganyu favored in assumptions shenhe-Ganyu teams have 2 CA from Ganyu and Shenhe-Ayaka don't have anything outside EQ so you could add 19-55k to it from CAs from ayaka.
Switching Qiqi for Kokomi should make Ayaka's burst easy to hit all pulse
The Ayaka-Ganyu also have no CA so could add 16-50k damage to it
I gave up calcing Qiqi so i just gave guesses for her but she doesn't matter for damage she is here for the healing for confort and ease of calc

[mystic linden]

damage with quills seem low, is that all with one tap E?

[coral onyx]

2 tap E on everyone but qiqi

[mystic linden]

how much of ayaka's 463k is quill damageg?

compared to ayaka-ganyu, she should be at over 400k just from shenhe buffs over ganyu's, so you're only getting 50-60k from quills?

[coral onyx]

With Calamity queller 5 quills are 53513.4 , so 106k+ for 2 tap E for Ayaka

Oh and Ayaka do nothing outside of EQ so you can add 20-60 but that's it

and it's in ST

OH, yeah Ayaka is in amenoma and Ganyu with Harp, so yes it's biased toward Ganyu but I don't have mist and it seemed like a pain to make assumptions about

and it's a qiqi and not a TTDS mona or Kokomi with freeze so the numbers would be way bigger and easily reach 400k+ for a gap between Ganyu and Ayaka

[mystic linden]

if it's 100k quills then how does ayaka get only 90k extra damage going from ganyu support to shenhe support

[tame flare]

does anyone here want to help me test shenhe damage simulator when shenhe launch comes out? I'm implementing her for gcsim

[mystic linden]

when shenhe does more buffing even without quills (30% dmg 15% res shred vs ganyu's 20% dmg)

[coral onyx]

Oh I messed up in the ayaka Ganyu, I kept the 15% E/Q buff

and for the Favonius Shenhe the quills are way lower, 36k for 5 quills, so 72~ for 2 tap E only

[mental cape]

One question because I don't know where to put it. Will blackcliff pole will be lackluster on Shenhe even upon gaining 3 stacks?

[coral onyx]

Compared to her signature weapon as a support shenhe yes,
but it's a good 4* weapon

[mental cape]

Thank you! I'm just stack between choosing r5 fav lance, r5 the catch or r1 blackcliff pole because not that much time left before her arrival

[mystic linden]

definitely go with the fav lance

catch and blackcliff are both personal dps weapons and that's not what shenhe does

[mental cape]

I see, I see, I just decided on pulling her without acknowledging what she truly does besides boosting cryo units, will go for fav

[ripe cedar]

are you calculating shenhe's own quill as well?

[coral onyx]

Yes for Shenhe's I inlude her quill to her but with a full ATK buff she without surprise does really little damage, in this sheet I made a little mistake so she's at 69k DPR with Favonius and 100K with signature weapon, 180 ER in the 1st build, 160ER with the 2nd.
With a good ADC build and her weapon she is at 156k with Ganyu, and venti VV

I don't think I'll calc what she does with Kazuha + Homa + freeze because I don't think she warrants it (still think she is great with Ayaka)

[lethal saddle]

how are you mathematicians going to build shenhe

[vast current]

ATK only with no ER, ignore that she has an ult, and use E for memes with

[pastel portal]

lmao

I just rerollled shime/glad until I got 160% ER and good ATK% rolls on feather and flower

[ripe cedar]

why do I still read people's hot takes on reddit

[vast current]

Don't know, but don't bring them here.

That's a personal problem.

[ripe cedar]

personally I got good cv on my glad artifacts, and will use homa if 140% ER is sufficient with favo diona

[vast current]

Waiting for her release to mass convert to Noblesse.

[ripe cedar]

man I am tempted to shelve kazuha for 4 cryo party chongyun ganyu diona shenhe

but kazuha's CC and buff is too valuable

[mystic linden]

you can get +100% cryo dmg next abyss if you don't use kazuha

[ripe cedar]

how

[mystic linden]

it's a stacking buff as long as you deal only one element of dmg

[ripe cedar]

woah noice

but yeah kazuha's jump dodge, CC, and buff is just chefkiss

let's see if I can enjoy gameplay without him

[coral onyx]

with Ganyu 155095.4 with homa and 4piece BS,
Against 156413.4 with her signature with ADC builds

no Kazuha

but VV

[ripe cedar]

total quill damage, or quill + personal?

[coral onyx]

Total shenhe damage

[ripe cedar]

both adc and both BS?

[coral onyx]

with quills but really thats 2E and 1 Q and the 10 quills

[ripe cedar]

is it higher than full atk atk atk support build?

[coral onyx]

no signature weapon shime+glad but ADC for both yes

Full ATK completely with signature weapon and 160 ER is like 100k, with Ganyu + a VV

[ripe cedar]

so adc build is looking stronger then?

are you using 10 quills for shenhe's own personal damage, or just 5?
because I tried to fit 10 quills into her 12s burst and it's quite hard

[coral onyx]

For her personnal damage yes, but her quills are like 1700 raw instead of 3300
So you lose like 20k damage per tap E on other character per tap E, you do 2 tap E per rotation so with if you have 2+ other characters that can use them (Venti adc is pretty okay) you do better team wise in full ATK

Yeah I'm assuming 10 quills and yeah that may not happen

[ripe cedar]

oh I mean total shenhe damage (personal + quill)
I wonder which is stronger, atk/atk/atk, atk/cryo/atk, atk/atk/crit, or even adc

[crimson scaffold]

a friend wants to build a eula shenhe raiden + flex team
is it a good idea? can it work?

[ripe cedar]

I can kinda feel that if your quill drivers have sick cv and dmg%, it's better to just go aaa build to maximize quill damage, but for most, maybe it's worth increasing shenhe's personal damage as well

[coral onyx]

I may be wrong and I'm not look with Kazuha or TTDS but it looks like for shenhe personal damage ADC stats with 4BS is the way and signature or Homa give pretty similar

[coral onyx]

that's a bad idea

it's going to be not the best Eula Team, not the best Raiden team and a mostly wasted shenhe

[crimson scaffold]

even with rosa/diona as the 4th member?

[coral onyx]

I mean for abyss 36 or challenging content

I'm guessing he doesn't have the Diona setup to make it not awful

[ripe cedar]

what about c6 rosaria, shenhe, diona, eula
eula here uses 4BS for free 35% crit, 60% phys res shred (25% eula, 20% rosaria, 15% shenhe) 15% burst damage, and 4x cryo user to spread particle around

[crimson scaffold]

mono cryo learning from geo i see

[coral onyx]

Rosaria is 20, always thought it was 15 or something, that may actually not suck

[ripe cedar]

might be good with redhorn

[coral onyx]

it will be extremely stationnary though with 2 burst that can't move

[ripe cedar]

3 bursts

diona, shenhe, rosaria

[crimson scaffold]

tbh if everyone is the same element you probably won't need raiden's energy generation

[ripe cedar]

oh sorry 3

[crimson scaffold]

replace rosa with kaeya then but you lose phys shred

[ripe cedar]

kaeya wants to be supported, not supporting

[crimson scaffold]

i have a c6 kaeya and i have no idea what to do with him

[wooden stratus]

Keep him on the bench

[proven fern]

healing where?

ah diona

i dont think there could have been a rosa in there to begin with, unless you "just don't get hit"

[deep tulip]

So reading through most of this thread.... Is it mainly triple cryo, or melt comps that shenhe excels in? Or are there others?

[vast current]

3 or more cryo damage dealers in team, otherwise just use someone else.

[hallow flower]

usually when you run permafreeze and have to fight something you cant freeze

you become sad

so you can switch out the hydro unit in those situations with shenhe to become less sad

[scarlet stone]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVnT2RPD76f2GZT6GQ5LV1MtGwvOwObhbi0svAdYS2M/edit?usp=sharing

[vast current]

Main sheet titled EULA.

[craggy adder]

I only have Skyward and Jade for Shenhe

Should I go with Skyward ?

[ripe cedar]

as long as your ER suffices, go with Jade

quill doesnt snapshot so you can use long lasting off field cryo like ganyu burst, rosaria burst, kaeya burst, then swap to shenhe, stack jade's passive, and then use E

theoretically

[frank furnace]

isnt there a chance her quill would work drastically different from how we expect it?

[chilly hinge]

there was a leaked video of it from the datamined beta client that people had used to analyze it's mechanics, so I don't think it would be likely, but as always wait for testing on release

[frank furnace]

oh i thought we had someone who had beta access here who were able to confirm

[ripe cedar]

• Blizzard Strayer Eula
• Eula, C6 Rosaria, Shenhe, Diona
• 60% phys shred from 25% of Eula E, 20% C6 Rosaria, 15% Shenhe burst
• 40% cryo shred from Eula E and Shenhe burst
• 15% burst buff from Shenhe tap
• 4x cryo particles to help Eula's energy management
• 35% crit rate from cryo resonance and blizzard + some crit rate from rosaria crit transfer
• shenhe increases her, rosaria, and diona's damage
• 15% cryo damage to everyone

[ripe cedar]

Finally done with my Shenhe
Homa, EoSF/Glad, Atk/Atk/Atk
Projected 3344 Atk, 166% ER, 42/158 crits

[main delta]

42 crit without cryo res?

[ripe cedar]

without

[wooden stratus]

Oh homa i was like dem the crit

My rosaria is holding my shenhe arts

Some pieces kinda copium

Jeesus 3344 atk

[silk oak]

Damn poggah

[frank furnace]

do quill procs apply any cryo

[ripe cedar]

any non-reaction cryo

anemo absorption and chongyun infusion should apply

[frank furnace]

non-reaction cryo?

it wouldn't eat up aura but still apply cryo?

oh. no, i meant do quill procs eat up any aura

i.e. apply cryo when it procs

[ripe cedar]

the quill damage is included in the character damage
it shouldn't be separated like crescent pike

[frank furnace]

would swirling proc quills?

[ripe cedar]

cryo swirl is reaction damage so it shouldn't
anemo attacks that absorbed cryo should

[sage nymph]

does this give enough ER?

doesn't seem like enough crit for fav procs

[uneven hearth]

cryo reso also provides %15 c.rate as well

🤔

[sage nymph]

forgot about cryo res

[uneven hearth]

well tho for to be on the safest side i think having %10 or so more c.rate would be better

[sage nymph]

actually its 160+ ER with favonius

missed the big ER substats

seems really good then

[wooden stratus]

Hmmm if i wanna run Calamity it doesnt seem like enough

Pain

[chilly hinge]

it depends on the team, you'll probably need a bit more (or just run ER sands) for most use cases

[wooden stratus]

Yea ill probs just run an er sands

[chilly hinge]

I'm working on a pre-release ER cheatsheet, will probably post here later

[ripe cedar]

maybe look if you can use eosf/something else

[teal belfry]

Could instructor be preferred over attack boosting sets Bc the elemental skill already provides a lot of atk?

Its 4* so ur losing quite a bit of atk but 120 em is helpful in reverse melt teams

[urban crypt]

Shenhe's skill doesn't provide ATK, it scales with attack. ATK% scales extremely well with her abilities, so you'll probably get better results with 5* sets, as they provide more ATK%.

Shenhe will also struggle with ER. I'm not sure if she should use her ult in melt teams, but if she does, a 4* set means she will struggle with ER.

4* sets are better with characters that don't need good stats to perform well (eg. Amber support for Hu Tao)

[pulsar tinsel]

You mean Elegy?

[urban crypt]

Even without Elegy, Amber is a good support with Hu Tao because it lets Sucrose/Kazuha swirl pyro

[chilly hinge]

Looked at some ER estimates for Shenhe/Cryo DPS prerelease for speculated teams based on current knowledge. (Subject to to change on release)

[wooden stratus]

LMAO

F2P BTW

WHY U GOTTA CALL ME OUT

🤡

[ripe cedar]

how does it look with
ganyu - shenhe - favo diona - kazuha

[chilly hinge]

I can check real quick

[ripe cedar]

thanks

[chilly hinge]

not too terrible

[ripe cedar]

why does it differ so much from ayaka-ganyu-diona-shenhe

ayaka's 4-5 particles, right

[chilly hinge]

Yeah, ganyu is less consistent since the particles come in 2 bursts

[ripe cedar]

alright. my build should suffice with some enemy particles

[ripe cedar]

are you still around?

what about eula - rosaria - diona - shenhe

[chilly hinge]

yeah, I'm signing off shortly though

[ripe cedar]

oh that's not too bad

thanks for the calcs

[cursive raft]

team TC for CY/Kaz rev melt:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1bmy_0A1bjyXyRm5I4HF077JOWzuXxW-qXcdkoId6Q/edit?usp=sharing
simplified a few things to make the math easier but let me know if there are any glaring issues

Also I think rotation can be improved - CY can almost definitely burst twice. Not sure where to put it.

and just as an aside, Kaz can swirl cryo here consistently even though all enemies have pyro aura because Baron Bunny holds a Cryo aura only. That is the reason for the N1 before E in the rotation.

[ripe cedar]

release baron bunny, apply cryo, then swirl cryo?

[cursive raft]

Yes, baron bunny can only be afflicted with a cryo aura. As long as it is hit by a cryo applying ability (here either Shenhe burst or Kazuha normals) you can swirl Cryo off it

[main delta]

must be a case of early unit weirdness

[wooden stratus]

Dem

The cons tho

[cursive raft]

Tomorrow I'll make one with all c0 except chongyun

I'll see if it's doable

[wooden stratus]

Ooooo

I have elegy

Frerdom sworn and elegy dont stack tho right

[cursive raft]

The atk bonus doesn't stack but the normal/charged/plunging and em do

Anyway c0 kazuha will have sac sword

So dw about that

[wooden stratus]

💀 im ar57 and still dont have a sac sword

I run iron sting on kazuha lmaoooo

[cursive raft]

The rotation would be different

I can try that also

No promises

[wooden stratus]

No worries if u cant

Thanks for trying 🎉

[earnest kestrel]

I think my fav team might actually be Ayaka, Ganyu, Shenhe, Bennett. Yes there’s no VV but I don’t think its going to be too much dps loss.

[bold flame]

Ayaka still on blizzard strayer set in this non freeze team ?
Also what about those who have only Ayaka and eula , is three cryo team necessary with shenhe ?

[earnest kestrel]

Yep Ayaka on blizzard. Eula can’t work on this team specifically.

[bold flame]

So how much Crit rate needed for non freeze team Ayaka ?

[earnest kestrel]

50

[bold flame]

Oh I currently at only 20 cr

Lol what to do

[earnest kestrel]

I have too much CR due to jade cutter

[bold flame]

Good sword that one ☝️

[ripe cedar]

man, people really do mock other people's character in co-op huh

a friend's kok got mocked

[plucky jay]

what server

[ripe cedar]

asia

wait this is not theorycrafting

[dapper jewel]

i might try something like this...when ayaka first came out it was the first time i 36* abyss using hu tao on one side and ayaka, ganyu, kazuha, bennett on the other

[cursive raft]

I checked with C0s but it still requires Amber C4. You can get in one rotation like this before Amber C4, but after that there is too much time in between puppets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pAnbTS8XRK3-LhCU4uYAkSdJ2fhDjz9-8HKEZq23MLY/edit?usp=sharing

[earnest kestrel]

Rotation with all characters being C0:

[chilly hinge]

Anyone think of possible Ganyu melt teams with shenhe and a shielder? I'm wondering if some dank Shield Fei or Thoma + Kazuha or R5 Kitain XL+ZL could work

just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on that

[proven fern]

you're losing your healer if you do that

[mystic linden]

i think if you want to play speedrun melt you drop the shield slot and otherwise you don't use shenhe

[chilly hinge]

yeah, I think this is likely unless we find out some weird dank rotation on the level of amber tao on release that we can't really speculate on right now. Thanks for the input though!

[static trail]

Hello! I thought about a full 4* team with Shenhe, but I don't find the fourth member: Chongyun Shenhe Xingqiu Rosaria/Kaeya as cryo MDPS but does 3 cryo in the team isn't too much? Or maybe that could be good for giving some energy to Shenhe?
Thanks!

[ripe cedar]

use Diona, she covers healing shielding and have cryo dmg% ascension stat

[prime sparrow]

kaeya has self heal, he is a playable option

[ripe cedar]

how does this look like

this is assuming Diona at C6, to increase Kazuha's EM by 200

[main delta]

I don't think Kaz's Q snapshots EM

[ripe cedar]

but the damage buff is snapshotted, right?

It's for the damage buff from his A4 mostly

[main delta]

offfield burst hits proc a4 too

but idk they overwrite

[ripe cedar]

ohh

[chilly hinge]

I have C2 Kazuha and that buff does work for his ult's swirl damage even when he's off field

not sure about other EM sources

[main delta]

I have him on c2 too. It obviously works in that specific case, was just wondering about other sources

[reef oar]

Whale

[foggy orchid]

amber melting is the new meta for shenhe?

I still think if you have staff of homa there's no reason to get the new spear except for appearances

[foggy orchid]

wouldn't it be better to start early with shenhe for better constant damage

[chilly hinge]

I don't like that the new spear is anti-snapshot, so you can't really stick it on Rosaria/XL and get the full ATK% on their ults

[bold flame]

Diona is having maidens and tenecity ? I mean support diona build?

[foggy orchid]

@chilly hinge yeah and nobody wants this much base atk when you have Bennett

it's only a tiny bit better on shenhe for this specific type of team and that's all there is to it

honestly you can't go wrong no matter how badly you play this team

this is actually the best it gets

[ripe cedar]

Blizzard 4pc, HP/Cryo/Crit

[ripe cedar]

I don't want to waste the quills so I want to jack up the cryo% and cryo res shred across the board first before starting
that means Diona Q+Kazuha and Ganyu Q before doing actual DPS-ing

[foggy orchid]

yeah right, I realised Shenhe's E cooldown is too long for that

[bold flame]

Okay

[bold flame]

What do you suggest for Ayaka shenhe kazuha diona ?

[ripe cedar]

favonius tho
the team arrangement will be
shenhe - homa - EoSF/Glad - atk/atk/atk
ganyu - mouun - bliz - adc
diona - favo - bliz - hp/dc
kazuha - sting - vv - em/cryo/em

[ripe cedar]

same thing really
maybe if you got good crits on your emblem, do EoSF Ayaka

[bold flame]

Okay
So no freeze team compatible with shenhe Ayaka ?

[ripe cedar]

personally from feelscrafting I don't think pairing mona/kokomi on shenhe is optimal
since you waste one cryo slot, and shenhe's made for single target unfreezable bosses anyway
against freezable AoE scenario I think doing cryo dps/cryo battery/anemo/hydro (morgana variant) is optimal since it's comfortable and you don't waste time dodging and can utilize blizzard 4pc to its peak power

[bold flame]

Okay thanks

[bold flame]

For Ayaka which weapon
I don’t have jade or mistsplitter

[ripe cedar]

added note:
In 9th second you can potentially use shenhe's burst first before kazuha's burst, but that will make shenhe's burst happen too fast and now she can't fit two set of quills in one of her burst

[ripe cedar]

how's your ayaka stats

[bold flame]

20 cr 156 cd freeze team , 4pc blizzard

[ripe cedar]

if in shenhe team, you can always do hold E shenhe and use ayaka's charged attack to proc shenhe's quill, where you'd want to use black sword for its 20 charged attack dmg bonus

If not, Amenoma should be Ayaka's general purpose 4* BiS

[bold flame]

Okay 👍🏼

[ripe cedar]

as always, wait for more tests and tcs

[bold flame]

Yeah

[grand oxide]

how is shenhe buff compare to bennet ?

worth enough to slot her?

[jaunty gorge]

I saw a vid about how Shenhe + Chongyun could make cryo Kazhua do 100k dmg with 2 charged attacks XD

[wooden stratus]

im like contemplating pulling weapon bcuz pjws is there

and if i get calamity i wont be mad lmao

[ripe cedar]

got pjws, make main dps shenhe with chongyun
got calamity, make off dps shenhe

ez

[craggy adder]

er for shenhe with ayaka and ganyu?

[ripe cedar]

this @craggy adder

[craggy adder]

ty

[main delta]

That looks way low.

[bleak furnace]

@ripe cedar Shenhe Ganyu Mona Diona can work right?

I can’t find the numbers tho

[ripe cedar]

should work

[ripe cedar]

but this is my current feelscrafting about it

[bleak furnace]

Did anyone think of pairing child ?

[static trail]

Okay thanks!

[pale root]

I'm heavily considering slotting her in the venti slot in morgana
Since shenhe + ganyu c1 is already cryo shred enough to drop VV entirely
And abyss is being hard-countering venti for months anyway

[subtle token]

What is the best shenhe team rn??

[chilly hinge]

She’s not out yet so wait a few days

[subtle token]

Ok cool

[unique tapir]

I assume shenhe still wants the cryo set?
I tried looking around but the search function on discord isn't the greatest...

[coral onyx]

She doesn't have a best in all situation artifact set, 2/2 glad/shime, 4 Blizzard Strayer and 4 Noblesse should be close depending on teams

[foggy orchid]

Ganyu burst with and without Shenhe vs a lv86 hilichurl

[ripe cedar]

what's the setting

[foggy orchid]

ganyu shenhe diona kazuha
r1 queller
r5 mauun

Diona

140k Diona every E noice

Ganyu 200k

Shenhe and Kazuha would do about 40k each

420k each cycle pog

[uneven hearth]

is that 1 single E (with other buffs) .. or like other folks rotations .. 20 sec total rotation time !? 🤔

[foggy orchid]

it's a whole rotation

[uneven hearth]

k

tnx

[foggy orchid]

np

[uneven hearth]

is there a comparison for Ganyu's CA too !?

🤔

[foggy orchid]

the bigger the multipler the less damage buff so it's not gonna be that good

also I haven't considered the damage without the icy quills so it's probably gonna be more than 420k a rotation

diona kazuha ganyu bursts deal damage overtime

[uneven hearth]

okay then

[foggy orchid]

the current abyss is already clearable with a mono cryo team so shenhe is just making it a faster clear here

[uneven hearth]

[bold flame]

Diona still full hp build ? Or cryo goblet ?

[foggy orchid]

I put everything on her for DPS

[bold flame]

Okay so , atk% cryo Crit

[foggy orchid]

Yep

[bold flame]

Okay thanks

[foggy orchid]

I changed the hourglass to ER and the damage only got reduced to like 135k

[bold flame]

How much ER before that hourglass ?

[foggy orchid]

I didn't calc the ER but the only source for it is from substats

[bold flame]

Well mainly we get damage from the quills , so that can explain ER , burst and damage

[foggy orchid]

Yeah the damage is mostly coming from shenhe's quills so adding an ER hourglass might be better I guess

[bold flame]

Using wavebreakers fin on shenhe , how much decrease in damage ?

[bold flame]

But that damage increase is based on the total attack of shenhe at that time , so …. ER ?

[foggy orchid]

Oh I was talking about Diona's hourglass lol

[bold flame]

Lol

[foggy orchid]

10-25% idk
But Shenhe's own dmg benefits from the burst bonus from the weapon

[bold flame]

Alright

[bold flame]

Kazuha has cryo goblet ?

[foggy orchid]

Nah he's full on em

[ebon jackal]

Running adc Venti in mono cryo, is it better to replace the anemo goblet with cryo? Just curious if anyone looked into that

[pastel portal]

you'd run EM in that case

since swirls only scale with EM and character lvl

[uneven hearth]

was also wondering is that team rotation full c0 !? (for 5* ones)

[ebon jackal]

I could run full em but I thought adc would take better advantage of shenhe’s quills

[pastel portal]

quills only get added to cryo dmg

Well, Venti does additional ele dmg

on Q

but if it absorbs something else you're doomed

so pure EM and reliable swirls are, imo, the way to go if you're in need of grouping/cc

otherwise just mono cryo team

[stark fern]

How's Shenhe for someone that doesn't have Venti or Kazuha

in terms of like, usability/teams and all

[coral onyx]

The most relevant question for people indecisive about Shenhe is, do they have Ayaka.
And do they care about abyss.(if not just watch how the character does, try it in trial and have fun)

[stark fern]

I have Ayaka

I plan to get Kazuha but waiting for rerun

[mystic linden]

could also potentially work with ganyu or rosaria but less certain

you should probably wait for 2.5 leaks and budget accordingly if you want kaz and shenhe

[vast current]

+ anemo.

[stark fern]

[mystic linden]

a 5* support to carry the underdog cryo dps

[vast current]

Budget Shenhe carry.

[coral onyx]

If you have Ayaka you'll be able to use Shenhe and have value from her.
At this time think of Shenhe as an option to free up a support for your other team if you like having a cryo team

[vast current]

Pocket Shenhe carry.

SHENHE BAD!

[stark fern]

I see, well I'm waiting for her release but I just hope I can make good use of her without needing expensive units and maybe 36* abyss

(I can still 36*, just that doing it with new character is more fun)

[coral onyx]

I really feel like people that have to ask the question are years away from being able to play a 4 characters team with no healer/shielder in abyss12. The people that can play those probably know it.

And without Ayaka I wouldn't recommend Shenhe to anyone I don't know the progression of the account in the game because damage can be an issue.

[mystic linden]

depends on the 4-char team, any quickswap team that relies mostly on EQ damage should be fine since you're free to spam dash

anything that involves a lot of autoattacking would be tough w/o healer

[chilly hinge]

I think Kaeya comps with Shenhe are also looking pretty good on the F2P/newer account end of the scale, so even new players could still get some benefit from her if they wanted her, even if ZL/Ganyu are for all intents and purposes "better meta pulls"

[mystic linden]

i'm personally optimistic about any triple cryo quickswap with shenhe because it's a lot of damage for very few button presses

[coral onyx]

I really don't think Ganyu is a good pull for abyss nowadays, especially for new players
The greatest for overworld though

[mystic linden]

melt is still a strong team in abyss and you can get it working with diona/xl/bennett

[chilly hinge]

yeah there was one kaeya/shenhe quickswap rotation we're thinking of in staff chat that seems very fluid/efficient to play so I'm looking forward to trying it on release

[mystic linden]

share your staff secrets with us plebs

[coral onyx]

That's just for long time players or people that can afford to cache roll wanderer, the stat check for Ganyu is huge and she really doesn't like those wolves

[mystic linden]

wolves are a problem yea

[chilly hinge]

it'll probably be in a post-release FAQ, I'm not specifically working on sheets for it, I just helped record footage for someone that didn't have one of the characters to show the cooldowns sync up

[mystic linden]

i consider any strongbox set to be easier to farm than a regular set though, for every 3 domain runs you can get 1.5 drops of the domain set you want and one strongbox drop

so wanderer's farming can passively happen at a pretty good pace along with any other set you want

[fossil leaf]

whats pros and cons of shenhe in ur guys opinions

[mystic linden]

pros: hip windows
cons: who cares

[pastel portal]

Pros: a bird is fine too
Cons: tip comes out frozen

[ebon jackal]

yeah this is main drawback I guess, I'll see in just over 24h

Tony To posted his shenhe thoughts but weirdly nothing about monocryo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOaRu6V3TdA

[ripe cedar]

the rating is based on at least C0R5 lmao

[icy lynx]

he said he meant c0r1 in the video

[ebon jackal]

yeah he said it was a typo

[ripe cedar]

ohh

[neat quail]

he said c6 r1

[icy lynx]

oh right it was c6r1, mb

weird evaluation threshold but ok

[ebon jackal]

I still have a feeling he misspoke there

[icy lynx]

yeah

[ripe cedar]

my shenhe friendship overworld team will be
4pc glad shenhe, chongyun, jean, yun jin
"Just stack MV" the team

[hallow flower]

c6r1 is usually 80%-85% of the power of c6r5

while costing half as much

[icy lynx]

i (and I assume most people) don't really care about the weapon refines, I was mainly interested in c0 vs. c6 (i would/will only roll c0 anyways)

[neat quail]

i'm expecting c1 to be quite good, at the very least she's a great battery with it. if it makes the quills stack the damage boost will be nice also

[ripe cedar]

I think Shenhe will really be weapon locked for all except for some few who built their skyward spine

[neat quail]

c2 i think will be decent, the buff duration increase will make sure it's up for an entire freeze rotation. but not sure that it will be that big of a damage increase all the same

[wooden stratus]

[ripe cedar]

with C2 and noblesse, shenhe will be the first almost complete offensive buffer
she'll buff atk, mv, dmg%, crit, AND res shred

if only she shred def too at C4/C6

[chilly hinge]

I’m personally most likely going to use wavebreaker fin with ER sands since I got to R5 on the staff of homeless banner 😩

And it’s prettier than flop lance

[hallow flower]

i have rough calcs on it for her dmg + quills with ayaka/ganyu/venti as the teammates

[icy lynx]

good sir, do you read minds, since I was just about to ask if there's damage sheets about permafreeze with shenhe

thanks though!

[hallow flower]

i have not made one for perma freeze but sitri is working on one

will prob be a few days before we get full team calcs on it that we feel good about

[hallow flower]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TlIdwBqTH-YDWtIKDr3Jy1_RTjhHe_dsxgb4DG6OOd8/edit?usp=sharing
in the meantime you can look over mine

and adjust the assumptions/stats if you have a specific rotation in mind

[ebon jackal]

trying to ignore the clickbait thumbnail but w/e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08TLmw7itP8

[ripe cedar]

at 18k dps isn't shenhe + quill already like 40% of the current top tier teams' total team damage?

[hallow flower]

make sure you look at the artifact stats and talents

its much different than what other sheets use for team calcs

[ripe cedar]

oh alright

[foggy orchid]

Ayaka is her best support that is if you have Shenhe on C6

That's not how most people would be playing Shenhe

Bruh that's C6 build

[vague patrol]

I was dumb and forgot we had this thread:

is anyone really patient and willing to explain to me how exactly shenhe's kit works/her playstyle, and what a good team comp would be for her? I can also show you the artifacts i pre-farmed for her so you can get an idea of how good she will be right off the bat until I get better ones.

I've read the FAQ a lot of stuff is just hard for me to understand before I can actually play her myself

mostly just like how her quills work confuses me

[foggy orchid]

She is Yun Jin 2.0

[wooden stratus]

do we have a c0 shenhe team

[foggy orchid]

yeah it's this

this is a pretty solid one

[wooden stratus]

ganyu

[foggy orchid]

sigh

replace with qiqi

[ripe cedar]

you can change ganyu with kaeya or rosaria

[foggy orchid]

Jk

[wooden stratus]

what about ayaka

🧍‍♂️

[ripe cedar]

ayaka will have different rotation

[foggy orchid]

Ayaka, rosaria, chong, kayea

[wooden stratus]

but same comp?

[foggy orchid]

Yes

[wooden stratus]

can kazuha be replaced with sucrose

[foggy orchid]

I think a dps Kazuha could actually be better for this team

[foggy orchid]

Sucrose's burst has a very high cooldown

venti can be the other option

[foggy orchid]

That doesn't mean you can't use her tho

she's like the top 3

[pallid lantern]

if only her e could stack at c1

she would be much better

[ripe cedar]

you can do anemo traveler
if anything, they're better because their absorption priority is cryo > pyro > hydro > electro
which mean bigger chance to properly absorb cryo

they do quick ticks too

[foggy orchid]

wow nice

[ripe cedar]

better than sucrose's slow ticks that may make her burst go beyond shenhe's E duration

[foggy orchid]

Anemo Traveler doea 5 ticks per E

[wooden stratus]

no thanks

[ripe cedar]

with sword, anemo traveler can also use harbinger of dawn, giving you 28% crit and 46% crit dmg that the quill will like

[foggy orchid]

Damn

[wooden stratus]

you wanna make me use anemo traveler

[ripe cedar]

shenhe wanna make you pair her with anemo traveler 🙂

[wooden stratus]

so true

[pallid lantern]

does anemo traveler give CR/CD to other teammates?

[ripe cedar]

they dont but they give 20% res shred on top of VV with their burst
that's the extent of their innate supporting capabilities

[pallid lantern]

so basically nothing usufull

[foggy orchid]

They haven't listed how the resis shred lasts on C6

is it like an 8sec duration

[wooden stratus]

Ayaka/Shenhe/Traveler/Diona?

[ripe cedar]

from kqm library

[ripe cedar]

should be pretty good

[foggy orchid]

Awesome tyty

[pallid lantern]

or total disaster

[ripe cedar]

that's basically the whole tc with shenhe correct

[pallid lantern]

that arti set is ayaka using

sacrificing hydro seems kinda sketchy tbh, cr from blizard set is too good to pass

[wooden stratus]

can I use kokomi instead of diona or is monocryo better

Shenhe's demo looks so misleading, makes her look like a dps

[ripe cedar]

look at the enemies I guess
more aoe, freezables = kokomi

[wooden stratus]

lmfao so true

[wooden stratus]

what if the enemy is single

[ripe cedar]

dps diona

[vague patrol]

i don't do a lot of abyss, so I'm not worried about perfection, what team could i make for Shenhe that would be good for just overworld and domains?

[ripe cedar]

xingqiu chongyun diona

[vague patrol]

okay cool i was thinking something like that might work

[ripe cedar]

fucked against cryo enemies and shield tho haha

[vague patrol]

yeah for sure haha

plus it'll force me to do a decent build on diona for once

i only just put work into xingqiu and started on Bennett

[wooden stratus]

Should i pull c1 shenhe

Or c0r1

[hollow hazel]

co r1

[chilly hinge]

C1 needs to be tested in live, since we aren't sure if the quill counts have a cap that C1 would break, or if we'd need to use new rotations altogether to get value from it

I might go for it if I get super lucky but doubt it lol

[glad escarp]

tldr on shenhe?

[elfin swallow]

Yae soon

That’s the tldr

[hidden elbow]

I still dont know what the
Press/Hold Trigger Quota is

does she buff certain amount of attacks?

and not during the whole duration?

[ripe cedar]

certain amount of hits

if your single attack hits 5 targets then you're out of quill
think of it like ammos

[hidden elbow]

damn

it wouldve been nice that she could buff for the whole duration since she is already limited to buffs

[glad escarp]

thinking if i should get her even tho i don’t have ayaka yet. would she be a better fit than diona for an ayaka comp?

[hallow flower]

trading diona for her means trading safety for more dmg

that is up to you

[hidden elbow]

I think she might work only with Ganyu permafreeze since Ayaka does a lot of attacks

[hallow flower]

lots of attacks is good

[coral onyx]

with current numbers this would have made her WAY too good for Ayaka and for Ganyu+Venti

[glad escarp]

meaning quills are quickly depleted?

[ripe cedar]

and you can swap to others
since each party member has their own quills

[hidden elbow]

I guess

[glad escarp]

dps loss tho, no?

[hidden elbow]

Im just gonna save up

[ripe cedar]

this one need actual calcs

[pulsar tinsel]

is c2 increased duration will change team rotation or not?

[ripe cedar]

If C1 have separate cooldown and you can use your quill every 5s, it kinda change everything

[coral onyx]

From what we saw in some video the cooldown are separate, the 2nd charge starts cooling down after the 1st one is fully ready

[ripe cedar]

yeah, just tested with sucrose's skill

[wooden stratus]

Have yall talked about what shenhe does for shatter?

Does she do anything for shatter

[midnight cobalt]

how is shenhe atm, irc, a few weeks ago her team calcs seems very scuffed

some sheets showed that even compared to anemo units she is not even that good, and she is competing slots with either hydro or anemo?

[strange field]

good afternoon shenhe tc nation

how are we doing today

[midnight cobalt]

dead chat

[harsh hornet]

Is Shenhe actually strong enough to make triple cryo worth running over freeze or only against bosses that can't be frozen?

[main delta]

which bosses can be fronze?

[harsh hornet]

I guess "which" is the right word instead of "that" in that phrase?

Bosses (enemy type), which can't be frozen

[ripe cedar]

shenhe tc closed
yae tc begins

[bleak furnace]

[vapid egret]

you better pull Ayaka ganyu and Kazuha and all their weapons

[harsh hornet]

Shenhe whale character?

I have 1/3 and no weapons so time to save for Yae I guess

[coral onyx]

I don't think if you are playing Shenhe-Ganyu-Ayaka that you want Amos on Ganyu, probably harp or Polar Star because you aren't going to have time to CA on Ganyu her Burst will use the quills for you
And yes I agree to your sentiment about Shenhe and characters that she buffs better have great weapons

[vapid egret]

ofc i meant harp

[broken yarrow]

Shenhe today!!

[neat quail]

is she out in asia yet?

[ripe cedar]

in 12 hours

[neat quail]

ah. still interested to see the quill mechanics despite all the yae hype

[broken yarrow]

I'm on NA so I have a little longer I think

Yes same

[vagrant cargo]

I have polar star and is it viable on ganyu as freeze team??? I dont wanna risk on amos bow

[broken yarrow]

Everyone pulling shenhe today is going to be going wild in ekanomiya

I'm going to use a shit ton of fragile resin to grind her boss

[neat quail]

yes

[ripe cedar]

I only have 6 left
and 2 transient resin
I heard the new archon quest gives you 6

[vagrant cargo]

Ok..... Thanks.

[neat quail]

i actually think i'm going to take my time building her

[ripe cedar]

good if you can stack the crit emg

[broken yarrow]

I've been hording mine since day 1 so I've got like 75

Not to say that I dont use it ever, just not that much

[vagrant cargo]

But polar star's passive is difficult to achieve the stack

[ripe cedar]

no I mean stack crit dmg substat on artifact

[vagrant cargo]

Oh ..m

[ripe cedar]

since in freeze team you will easily hit crit cap

5% + 15% cryo reso +40% blizz 4pc + 33% is 93% crit rate already

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah...... Mmm..... Im just gonna try to get amos ....

[ripe cedar]

but if without hydro it will be good yeah
crit weapon on ganyu is especially good in mono cryo without hydro or in melt ganyu

Amos is not too far from high refine Hamayumi iirc

[vagrant cargo]

The problem is, i do not have bow billet.sucks

[ripe cedar]

yeah sucks

but polar star is usually pretty good
you wont go wrong with it

[neat quail]

can't decide if i want CQ or not

[wooden stratus]

Same

I want yae tho

💀

[neat quail]

yeah i might wait for rerun on weapon on constellations for shenhe

[wooden stratus]

Im at 70 pity rn with 80 pulls

So im just like

Considering if i want CQ

[neat quail]

guaranteed?

[wooden stratus]

No

Thats why

💀

Will probs speedrun the new region bcuz school is starting soon

[neat quail]

who is your main cryo dps?

[wooden stratus]

Uuuuh

I dont have one

Im purely pulling on shenhe bcuz she waifu

Im contemplating if i should waiy for pre tc

I mean like tc

Not pre tc

[neat quail]

Ah respect. She’s going to be very limited if you don’t have cryo characters built though, I’ll say that

[wooden stratus]

Yeah ik

💀

I have kaeya rosa cy diona at 70/80 tho

I wanna see if shenhe can work with aloy?¿

I quite like using aloy

[ripe cedar]

she should work well with all cryo and anemo

[wooden stratus]

Let's say I wanna get yae

Man im srsly contemplating if i wanna pull CQ rn bcuz yae popped up

[neat quail]

Do you have wavebreaker’s/fav lance/skyward spine?

[ripe cedar]

skyward spine is looking really good for shenhe

it's not cope weapon at all

good base attack, crit, ER

[hollow reef]

was thinking the same. can finally get use out of it since mistsplitter banner bullied me lol

[wooden stratus]

I only have wavebreaker r1
Favlance r4
No skyward spine

[ripe cedar]

favlance is good an will probably round out your support capability
wavebreaker is looking great if you have enough ER

[neat quail]

Either of those should be usable, I’d skip CQ in that case personally

[wooden stratus]

For yae?

I think i posted my build with rosa as my standin

We'll see i guess

Think i'll pull shenhe first and figure it out in like 12 hrs

[hollow reef]

^^

suppose it depends on what build you go with her but i personally won't really vibe CQ myself

high base atk low substat makes it a bit harder to find uses for on other chars imo

[jagged leaf]

Where can i look some Shenhe team comps?

[wooden stratus]

I pretty sure its in pins

[ripe cedar]

It's generally
Shenhe / Cryo DPS 1 / Cryo DPS 2 / Anemo

[wooden stratus]

Agh

Now that yae is out my plans to pull ganyu is like

:skull:

[jagged leaf]

It's not

[jagged leaf]

Ganyu-Ayaka-Jean it is then

[wooden stratus]

Might pull an f2p btw and just run shenhe kaeya cy rosa or something

Healer who lamao

Just dodge 5head

[bronze hull]

is sayu a good alternative if no jean

[ripe cedar]

yes, she can even use shenhe's quill, unlike Jean without chongyun

[ripe cedar]

sorry forgot to reply @bronze hull

[bronze hull]

tyty

[sage chasm]

any copium on amc as a budget version of venti for shenhe comps?
she can proc all 5 quills on a single hold E and both the burst and the E are very sensitive to cyro auras unlike venti which may absorb wrong auras in the presence of freeze/slimes/specters/shields etc.
the extra 20% shred is a nice bonus when the Q hits everything, but unlikely

sry if alrdy mentioned. thread is long

[neat quail]

Too copium imo - probably better just running another cryo unit

[hallow flower]

huh, i actually havnt thought about anemo mc for her

i'd imagine it works decently in a pinch

and having cryo being high priority for infusion is very nice

[mystic linden]

i don't think the cryo infusion for quill damage is a big deal, would rather have sayu or jean in that slot for healing if not venti/kaz

[hallow flower]

its not just for the quill dmg but you also get 20% more cryo shred

its prob not the best option but i expect it to be decent as a free option

[mystic linden]

oh right, completely forgot AMC did that

[hallow flower]

jean/venti/kaz are 5stars

and sayu is not really in the shop

[ripe cedar]

I dont think amc is really copium

[urban oar]

in a Ganyu/Shenhe team would you want Kazuha over Venti?

cause Ganyu's ult is better if people are grouped right?

which you can do with Kazuha just not for as long

[ripe cedar]

they have their uses I guess
Venti can refund energy, gather at ranged range
Kazuha can buff, gather at melee range

[hallow flower]

im looking at amc clips again to see how fast/far his burst go

and it might be too much for shenhe to reasonably catch up to with just her e

🤔

[ripe cedar]

just aim to the wall

[hallow flower]

yeah you might have to force that