Shenhe Thread

[cerulean wraith]

beeg

for shenhe to replace it

[craggy adder]

You basically funnel your Er to make sure ayaka always has burst first then Ganyu 2nd and Mona just full Er her

[vapid egret]

the reasoning for replacing a character can't be "because they have been replaced by Ayaka, so we can replace Diona with Shenhe"

[craggy adder]

I am not talking about shenhe

I am just saying there is a better form of Morgana with new char

[cerulean wraith]

[vapid egret]

then how is that relevant to this

[cerulean wraith]

the argument at a tangent

[vapid egret]

ok nvm I'm out lol

[craggy adder]

Shenhe can also replace Diano

[cerulean wraith]

this is why diona and shenhe could be good friends

why keep them away when shenhe has ass gen

[craggy adder]

The problem people is uncertain is to keep Kazuha or Mona

Not keeping diona

[vapid egret]

yea if anything you don't replace Diona

[craggy adder]

We will see how her Er regen is but i don’t think it’s a big issue with 2 cryo alr

[cerulean wraith]

u can just do er calcs

like

yeah

[craggy adder]

Practical practise will only@make everything certain

Who knows last day or smth they might change her burst to 60 or smth kek copium

[full lily]

Is Ganyu a good support for Ayaka

[vapid egret]

iirc in the ganyu ayaka setup ganyu only gets 2 CAs off ideally

[full lily]

I’m running Moryana Ayaka Mona Jean Diona atm

If I get Ganyu I’ll have her as an overworld DPS but in Abyss I wanna run burst support Ganyu alongside Kazuha

[slow sparrow]

I don't see how removing the Hydro works in Morgana type comps, and how removing grouping from Venti or the damage boost and less grouping from kazuha makes sense

[full lily]

I’m not removing either????

[slow sparrow]

So, either Shenhe does Diona's energy job and boosts damage enough to replace her, or she's not gonna be in those comps

[full lily]

Oh ur talking abt something else

[slow sparrow]

I just noticed my ping

[full lily]

Why would I try and CA?? Ganyu would be there for Cryo application

[vapid egret]

shenhe's E stuff likes triple cryo more than double cryo tho since its more characters to proc her stuff

because you lose damage by not doing so?

[cerulean wraith]

theres the pins to help understand more about shenhe

basically she rewards teams with more cryo units

and those cryo units must be able to proc her quills

[simple inlet]

should i be caring about flat atk sub stats?

[main delta]

they're still useful (aka not dead subs like em/hp/def)

[simple inlet]

are they better than crit

[main delta]

no, unless you want her to do like, no personal dps

[simple inlet]

aight ty

[desert locust]

is it even possible to get 50stack? 7x4=28

[uneven hearth]

yes

well not really 50

[desert locust]

c1 doesnt stack the limit right?

[uneven hearth]

annyways

[pale root]

This passive only makes sense if c1 stacks the qills

[uneven hearth]

i think it does 🤔

[pale root]

Else it would be locked behind c6
The 50 stacks effect

[desert locust]

i see. so thats the first thing to check.

[uneven hearth]

only the quills tho not strenghten the buff of A4s etc. cuz some ppl even believed that using 2 tap Es (or hold E) would give them %30 of the A4 buffs

well anyways considering that c1 gives double stacks for quills (if we inhale hopium) using 2 hold E would give you 14 stacks ..or 1 tap 1 hold 12 stacks .. with that u can reach 48 at least

[pale root]

If that was the case
It would be glorious time for thundering fury shenhe

[uneven hearth]

thooo i m not quite sure if mihoyo would actually make it like that

imagine a c1 that doubles the dmg

[regal terrace]

is shenhe gud in like a ayaka diona shenhe vv

[pale root]

Cof cof
Raiden c2

[uneven hearth]

tho this would be "mathematically" be even more powerfull then Raiden c2 .. i mean u litterally get double or even more dmg contribution gain

[ripe cedar]

maybe it's to limit infinite stacking during co op

[uneven hearth]

lets say if c0 Shenhe would do 170k from quills (team rotation wise) .. c1 would suddenly jump to 340k something

[bleak furnace]

if that happens

pog

[uneven hearth]

but honestly if it doesnt increase quill stacks amounth .. c4 litterally useless .. c1 is so weak that would only allow you to use both A4 buffs

then ppl would rage even more

[bleak furnace]

well ukw

common sense

MHY wants money

they wont make any useless character

and moreover they wont make such a beautiful character unit useless

[uneven hearth]

Shenhe on paper is fine enough imo .. but if c1 indeed increases quill stacks .. it would be real pog constelation

[bleak furnace]

They want their sales go up

she will be a great unit

[uneven hearth]

arguably would make it the best "dmg booster " for any constelation (math wise)

[bleak furnace]

just wait and watch

[bleak furnace]

then I'll pull C1 too

lmao

[uneven hearth]

just wait nd see if C1 actually gives extra quills or not

then pull acording to that

[bleak furnace]

I'm planning to triple crown her if she's pog unit (Although I dont have cryo dps invested xD)

[uneven hearth]

i dont think her AA needs to be leveled up tbh 🤔

[bleak furnace]

I'll get ayaya in future rerun

[bleak furnace]

Simp >

so

[uneven hearth]

[bleak furnace]

I wanted xiao very badly

but he's not great unit

consistent

i mean

and he needs C6

[main delta]

he doesn't need c6

[bleak furnace]

Like hu tao just needs C1 and you're good to go

[shadow rune]

He's consistent though

[uneven hearth]

yea u dont need c6 .. actually making him c6 makes his playstyle harder imo

[bleak furnace]

and I dont have units buiilt for him. I dont have zhongli either

lol

[main delta]

you have to be omegawhel for the c6 to be worth it

[uneven hearth]

[pale root]

Xiao doesnt really need c6

But jean c4...

Which is probably harder

[main delta]

aah yes, standard banner 5* cons

[regal terrace]

Are the buffs from shenhe significant enough in a ayaka team?

[pale root]

3%~10% better than kazu on similar investiment

According to multiple sheets posted here

[regal terrace]

Like Morgana instead of mona, shenhe

Oh

[pale root]

I didnt do math on ayaka itself, since i only have the goat

But i believe that

[regal terrace]

is this considering his vv shred, bonus and stuffs

[pale root]

Yes

Full bufs vs full buffs

[regal terrace]

oh thts pretty pog I think

[pale root]

I think it was without FS

But yeah

When FS was added
calamity was also added

Thats when the % lowers a bit

[regal terrace]

[vapid egret]

doesn't kaz's personal damage tank vs single target though

[pale root]

Btw
I know this is the TC channel

But i saw some reddit post saying that shenhe belly was nerfed

Did someone confirm that?

I dont have the CSI camera, to ultra zoom in the livestream footage

To see if her belly got covered

Drip marketing vs Livestream img

And yeah
Its gone

Huge nerf, literally unplayable

[ripe cedar]

just erasing the belly button from her gacha art

[ripe cedar]

agreed tho

[urban river]

Heyyy peeps. I has a question. Does shenhe passive of granting 15% kill/burst damage activate independently from the character actually doing cryo DMG? Cause as fast as the English translation on honey, there is no mention of cryo DMG on the passive.

Aka is she a walking noblesse?

[pale root]

Yes
As long as the dmg is cryo
Or cryo infused

She is a super noblesse

[ripe cedar]

the 15% skill/burst should apply regardless of element, no

[urban river]

That's the part i am wondering

[pale root]

Some buffs are not related to cryo

[urban river]

Sure the quill needs cryo, but the passive...

[pale root]

Yeah

The E buffs are global

Non-qill

[urban river]

Oooooooo... Ok

Innnteresting

[pale root]

Also cryo/phys shred on burst

Also obviously global

[urban river]

Yea and cryo DMG on active character

[pale root]

Cryo Dmg bonus and qill buff is for cryo only

[urban river]

So she is playable with eula... Even if she can't activate the quills most of the time

[pale root]

Everything else is for everyone

Yeah
I will try to slot her with eula as well

On eula raiden in rosaria's place

From rough calcs
Its better overall

Thanks to the 15% burst dmg

For both eula and raiden

Even if only shenhe is using qills effectively

You should build her dps in this kind of setup

Instead of atk atk atk gigaboost shenhe

[urban river]

Yeah... Sincerely i am not seeing the appeal of atk atk atk boost

Considering if additive and not really multiplicative

[pale root]

Its good for dmg per screenshot youtubers

And for pure cryo

[urban river]

Like cool my ayaka is doing 16k, and now she doing 18k per tick, sure it adds up... But in the end it's only a difference of about 500 per quill activation

Oh but it probably can crit

Nevermind

[main delta]

you're forgetting the shred + 30% damage from bursting inside shenhe's burst

[urban river]

Yes i meant comparing an atk atk atk vs ark cryo CRIT build

[cold ridge]

o think its just a buff vs buff comparison so his dmg shouldnt matter?

[vapid egret]

I hope it is buff vs buff only

If kaz's personal damage has to be halved and Shenhe's doubled for shenhe to be barely better would be sad af

[pale root]

Its only buffing power
Yeah

Kaz dmg too high

[cold ridge]

yeah..

esp if its mono cryo and he doesnt have to absorb hydro

also shenhes buff isnt just going to be bette the more enemies you have

but competing with kaz in buffing seems promising to me considering how good of a unit kazuha is

[regal terrace]

Wait if my ayaka does 20k

How much will the quills increase my dmg

[ripe cedar]

14k-ish x 5

[regal terrace]

No I mean like per tick

[vapid egret]

he just answered u

14k, but only for 5 ticks

[regal terrace]

oh like that ic

[vapid egret]

not 5 ticks technically, 5 hits
so if you're hitting 2 targets its either 2 or 3 ticks per target buffed

[regal terrace]

ah

[ripe cedar]

yeah

[vapid egret]

looking forward to non-ganyu calcs, wanna see how good it is

[stark fern]

What're some weapons that'll be good on Shenhe

And would skyward be good

[main delta]

yes, I'm planning to use skyward for mine

[bleak furnace]

High base attack works fine

[stark fern]

I see, thanks

[jovial frigate]

At C0, what are potentially the teams that shenhe is worth pulling for?

[cold ridge]

any ganyu or ayaka team

[pale root]

Ayaka/Ganyu, Shenhe, Mona (Proto amber), Venti/Kazuha is the most agreed upon, i think
but you can totally go for any Cryo main dps if invested enough
Its not a huge leap, but she can also slot in Rosaria place, in a Eula/Baal comp

rolling for shenhe to swap to rosaria, might not be worth primo-wise, unless you really liked her, but its a small increase nonetheless

[woven mantle]

I think shenhe is just a morgana alternative for cryo carries

which makes sense imo

u can't really replace diona with her

[pale root]

you have to turn Mona into the healer, with proto amber

[woven mantle]

I'd rather use her instead of mona for example against abyss with bosses or enemies that can't be grouped

[pale root]

which is risky, with wolves

[woven mantle]

not only that but shenhe can't gen particles

as well as diona

shenhe's damage contribution is strictly single target so it really seems directed at bosses

[pale root]

yeah, which is the biggest problem for freeze anyway

freeze already dominates aoe

a boost to freeze ST potential, is exactly what it needs, if anything

[autumn totem]

Why not swap the Anemo out instead?

You lose VV but shenhe has some shred herself so you're going into the diminishing returns for negative resistance anyway

[woven mantle]

that's true but if your anemo is somebody like kazuha I don't think it's worth at all

compared to mona

you get more reliable damage buffs, grouping, kazuha's personal damage

[autumn totem]

Mona can ttds Shenhe

That could be preety big

[woven mantle]

and the anemo unit can also proc quills

[autumn totem]

Ayaka Shenhe Rosaria Mona

[main delta]

I prefer proto amber if you have enough billets

eases up the rots and gives just enough heals for a freeze team

[cold isle]

Wouldnt Ayaka eat throufh shenhe's quills tho?

Through

Unless the quills have ICD or something

[main delta]

you're forgetting the 30% damage and 15% shred she gives

[woven mantle]

I think shenhe is good/great, but people overrate standard morgana so they might end up overlooking her

[main delta]

it's getting weaker and weaker, but peeps just want to stick to what they're familiar with ig

[autumn totem]

Ganyu Ayaka Shenhe Kazuha

1st everything and be done with it

In a more serious note

Ganyu Ayaka Shenhe Mona sounds preety good

[ripe cedar]

my team is shenhe burstbot ganyu diona kazuha

[unkempt pebble]

15% shred is when you crown Q. while your main buff in E. I personally think double crowning is not worth on a single supportive character. unless you really love the character do whatever you want

[ripe cedar]

sucrose might work instead of mona against unfreezable enemies

[silk oak]

Ganyu ayaka shenhe venti

[hallow flower]

[neat geyser]

I hate mhy for the 1% res shred per level on shenhe

why not just make it 15% at 8

[unkempt pebble]

eula and chongyun do more shred with Lv 1 Elemental Skill. yeah no need energy for shred

[neat geyser]

Im just gonna lvl 9 it

But 14% is gonna trigger me

[spice osprey]

"You get used to it" ~ most eula mains

[viral comet]

will shenhe buff a dps cryo rosaria?

[main delta]

no because rosaria deals pyro damage

[sinful flume]

[viral comet]

she has permanent bennett c6 effects 😞

[vast current]

[cloud cobalt]

Couldn't Ganyu/Ayaka, Kokomi, Kazuha/Venti work, instead of Mona? Cuz Kokomi's Jellyfish might have all the hydro application a freeze team needs, (and Prototype Mona seems kinda copium, not gonna lie)

[viral comet]

my team might be rosaria shenhe sucrose and kokomi

[torpid quail]

have any rotations or sheets been made for shenhe/ganyu teams?

[pine heron]

@uneven hearth @bleak furnace @pale root @desert locust sorry for mass ping in advance

We do actually know what C1 does; quills do not stack, casting E again will replace the ones you have currently with the new ones that E cast gives you

ofc its STC but doubtful it'll change on release

C4 looks like its more meant for, regrettably... C6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aU6h-iPBu4

[uneven hearth]

hmm then that sux

i mean frigin hell why give her ES double charges if it only there to allow us to get both A4 abilities

just make her c0 to get both A4 buffs nd put another stuff to C1 smh

[bleak furnace]

what is this game

make her great pls

[uneven hearth]

pepegaimpact

[ancient oasis]

best option out of these for mdps shenhe?

it's kinda easy to tell I haven't built any polearm characters lmfao

[uneven hearth]

mdps Shenhe !?

pike

no other option

but Shenhe AA multipliers are too low .. dont recommend to use her for that tbh

[ancient oasis]

aight time to level that thing up 😰 thanks dude

I know she's probably not even viable as mdps but she looks nice

[uneven hearth]

yea

lul

[ancient oasis]

wait nvm I don't have pike on my main account

[uneven hearth]

u can craft

[ancient oasis]

gonna see if I have any billets rq

[uneven hearth]

[ancient oasis]

[ripe cedar]

I mean is there any other worthy weapon

well there's kitain

[ancient oasis]

wait should I do 4pc shimenawa if she's running as mdps?

[ripe cedar]

4pc shime with chongyun i guess

[ancient oasis]

thanks

her substat is atk% right? i think someone told me it was earlier but idk-

[ripe cedar]

ascension stat? yes it's atk

[ancient oasis]

thanks dude

[vast current]

You can use Lithic Spear if you have it. You’re running Chong anyways so that’s two stacks already.

[uneven hearth]

he dont have much options mate

[vast current]

[uneven hearth]

this is all he got

[vast current]

[uneven hearth]

hmm .. i guess u might want 4pc Blizzard !? 🤔

i mean u wouldnt really want to give up on her Q

cuz regardless if u will run her as pshy dps or cryo dps

[ancient oasis]

I have like 30 4 star claymores but somehow only 4 polearms

[uneven hearth]

u still will want that %14-5 cryo+pshy shred from her Q

[uneven hearth]

[stark niche]

Can you stack quills with shenhe C6?

She get 1 more charge with c1

Or you just get to spend 14 instead of 7?

[uneven hearth]

appearently u cant stack her quills

even with C1

[ancient oasis]

uh wait what artifact stats should I do for mdps shenhe

idk whether to do phys or cryo

[ripe cedar]

C1 is more of a rotation change
now instead of 10s rotation you can do 20s rotation

[stark niche]

Ohh okay, so you would just get more quills to use

[ancient oasis]

but I have artifacts for both

[ripe cedar]

or burst damage for say, ayaka

[uneven hearth]

if u are gonna pair her with Chognyun .. atk-cryo-crit .. if pshy dps atk-pshy-crit

[ripe cedar]

do ayaka burst, swap to shenhe, use E, then use E again

[ancient oasis]

thanks

[uneven hearth]

well if u gonna use pike .. u will end up with pshy dps

[ripe cedar]

is there shatter damage calculator

[uneven hearth]

but if u gonna use cryo dps .. then u wont need pike nd just go with Blackcliff

[uneven hearth]

it might not be fast enough paced to do this

[viral comet]

shenhe's cryo application is bad right?

[uneven hearth]

but worth the try

[ripe cedar]

normal

[uneven hearth]

normal

🤔

her Q applies cryo once every ticc

iirc

[ancient oasis]

would blackcliff and 4pc blizzard strayer work?

[ripe cedar]

unlike yoimiya's Q she hits often enough

[uneven hearth]

yea why not

[ancient oasis]

thanks lmfao

i have no idea how to build her why can't this be as easy as building childe was

[uneven hearth]

hey .. its pretty ez to build her .. just 2pc 2pc shime-glad with full atk

but u picked the hard way

so u gotta be unique about it

[ancient oasis]

she's so easy to build as a support but I want to see her on screen constantly tbh

[uneven hearth]

personally if i were you i would build her pshy dps nd pair her with Raiden as well .. Raiden would also solve her energy feed problem to some degree 🤔

[ancient oasis]

i (regrettably) skipped raiden

[uneven hearth]

nd if pshy dps its ez pick to go for 2pc 2pc bloodstain + PF

as 4pc PF wont work (unless u got c1)

[uneven hearth]

sadge moment then

welp wadeva

[ancient oasis]

eh, I don't to abyss often anyway. as long as she can get my dailies done I don't mind too much

[uneven hearth]

[cold ridge]

dude you could build her phys and she would still clear your dailies dw

[ripe cedar]

might as well try to finish F11 dude

[ancient oasis]

wait does cryo res crit rate boost and blizzard strayer crit rate boost stack?

[bold flame]

Ya

Don’t do more than 50 Crit rate on Ayaka when freeze team

It will be wasted

[ancient oasis]

thanks,,, ig I don't really need to invest in much cr if I run her w/ chongyun and xingiu then

i got 8 artifacts for her and they all rolled onto flat stats or def% at lvl 8 💀

[viral comet]

what are good artifacts for shenhe?

[craggy adder]

Glad/shin

[ancient oasis]

can shenhe boost herself?

nvm just realised how stupid that question sounds

[craggy adder]

You mean proc the E hit ?

With Q yes I believe

[ancient oasis]

i've been tryna think abt teams, would freeze comp mdps shenhe with chongyun, xingqiu and bennett work?

freeze to get the blizzard strayer effect, chongyun for cryo infusion/resonance, xingqiu for freeze, bennett for atk boost/healing

[full lily]

I think Benny wouldn’t be very effective there

Depends on how quick Shenhe’s Cryo application is but he’d risk melting/vaping XQ/Shenhe/Chongyun

Don’t have the numbers but I suspect VV holder is better there

[viral comet]

can i just use shenhe for her passive?

[autumn totem]

Just go 4 cryo

Shenhe Rosaria Kayea Diona

[vast current]

Shenhe

[sage nymph]

Will Shenhe make Crit builds on Kazuha competitive with EM? Her quills will give more incentive for Kazuha to have higher DMG% multipliers

Same question for Venti

[vapid egret]

crit was always viable on Venti and better with enough investment/buffs but no Omen buff now might hurt

Kazuha's buffs are tied to EM so never

I think Shenhe Ayaka Ganyu is going to need Venti to "raiden" them with energy

[hallow flower]

you can prob do either

adc venti is pretty hard to pull off without benny

[urban crypt]

The main reason why you would pick Kazuha over Venti are his EM scaling buffs

Venti is probably better for an ATK/AnemoDMG/Crit build

In fact, it's looking like it will be his best build with Shenhe

[woven mantle]

wait does he even need atk sands for quills

you could just go hybrid

stringless , em sands, crit circlet

[urban crypt]

You're missing on a lot of quill dmg without attack

And on a lot of Cryo DMG buff without full EM

Oh wait we're talking about Venti

Full EM Venti and ATK/Anemo/Crit Venti are already very similar without chain reactions

ATK/Anemo/Crit should be his best build because, unlike full EM, it can buff Shenhe's quills

[spice osprey]

ATK doesn't buff quills on the triggering character. Shenhe's ATK is the only one that matters for them.

[woven mantle]

what the dude above said

it should work like this

shenhe atk * quill modifier * res * defense, and then the rest scales off the other character

so crit and damage bonus

[urban crypt]

Pretty much yeah

[urban crypt]

Huh really?

[woven mantle]

yeah the full calc is like this

[urban crypt]

Wait yeah I think it might not take ATK into account

[woven mantle]

shenhe atk * quill mod * res * def * other char dmg bonus * other char crit damage if crit

[urban crypt]

Yeah true it doesn't make sense that it would take ATK into account because it only affects the multipliers

In that case yes, Venti would only need crit

Do circlets buff the damage dealt by elemental absorption?

Cryo Venti

[woven mantle]

yes

[vapid egret]

Mona Omen props up ADC a lot as well

[static trail]

Hello, do we know how much particles Shenhe generate when she casts her skill/burst?

[reef oar]

3/4

For skill

I think

[static trail]

Okay thanks! I also wondered if Shenhe could be a good mate for Eula? And in which comps? I thought at something like Eula Fischl/Raiden Shenhe Diona (Shenhe replaces Rosaria)

[vast current]

I thought stream showed 2/3.

Shenhe mostly buffs cryo damage, Eula doesn't do much cryo, Rosa would still be better for her in the traditional teams.

[static trail]

Okay so she could be great with Ayaka or in freeze comps for instance

Thanks!

[scarlet drift]

i need thoughts on the compp ganyu kokomi shenhe and an anemo character

cause i'm considering shenhe

[vapid egret]

you want 3 cryo

[vast current]

Unless that anemo character is Kazoo, throw Shenhe out and run Kazoo instead for mono cryo carry.

[vapid egret]

you could run shenhe there, but I don't think she'll be better than your other options

[hallow flower]

eula can still consume all of the quills pretty easily

[main delta]

isn't her % damage like, almost all phys?

[hallow flower]

yeah

[vast current]

Consuming the quills isn't the main problem, though.

[hallow flower]

whats the main problem then?

[vast current]

An anorexic Diona spamming CAs can consume the quills, she just won't make use of it as well.

Dunno why I chose that adjective.

[hallow flower]

yeah she doesnt have cryo dmg%

but it doesnt take much to match what rosa brings to eula

[vast current]

At least Diona gets cryo damage% ascension.

[hallow flower]

you just need energy gen/buffs/light dmg

thats what rosa gives for eula

[vast current]

Rosa gives more of that for Eula than Shenhe.

In addition to doing better personal damage.

[hallow flower]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eCx_MwffFQwjaN1SvcXbapIB3TYSOfWgUzBOBRv_wLg/edit#gid=0
is it really that much of a difference?

from what i seen from other people its pretty darn close

[vast current]

Shenhe bad.

[hallow flower]

i just want to know where this line of thought is coming from

because rosa's personal dmg is usually reduced in a eula team

since no freeze and no reverse melt

[vapid egret]

you also have to realise we are rating shenhe solely off single-target damage

[hallow flower]

sure, but in both of these teams rosa and shenhe are doing minor damage in the team breakdown

[vapid egret]

so whats the problem with rosaria

[hallow flower]

she still has a dmg% buff and shred

there isnt a problem with rosaria

[vast current]

From not running Fav Rosa and ignoring quill damage contribution.

Shenhe bad!

[hallow flower]

also that calc is two targets with shenhe in the lead no?

[vapid egret]

yea you can run shenhe sure

i just dont know why you'd pull a 5* for that much of an increase

[hallow flower]

c0 rosa is cheaper but does less

c6 rosa does the same as c0 shenhe

but c6 rosa cost more to get in pulls

so its up to the player on how much they value a 5star pity

[vast current]

C6 Rosa can be "free" as players spend pulls on other banners.

[vapid egret]

wdym

[vast current]

Shenhe requires pulling on her specific banner, but immediacy.

[vapid egret]

u have to pull specifically for rosaria

[vast current]

You accumulate 4* and normal banner 5* characters as you pull.

You don't have to pull specifically for Rosa, as she's always in the character pool.

[vapid egret]

sarcasm

[main delta]

you're also getting yunjin out of her banner too

[vapid egret]

this is why when people do comparisons usually no one compares c0 4* to c0 5

[vast current]

Superior Liyue female polearm.

[hallow flower]

it can take a while to get a c6 4star thats not in shop rotation

unless you get lucky with it aligning with your 5star preferences

[vast current]

Shenhe does have the benefit of instant gratification.

[hallow flower]

one day il get yanfei c6

[vast current]

🐳

[vapid egret]

to be fair, assuming a guaranteed pity for shenhe it costs less than getting rosaria from no constellations to 6 i guess but i wouldnt assume this to be a realistic nor reasonable comparison

especially since the last eula banner had rosaria

[hallow flower]

you dont think its reasonable that c6 rosa cost more?

[vapid egret]

yea, especially since you completely discount the odds of getting her off banner in future pulls

or future banners in which rosaria will be present and that you will roll for it

[vast current]

Generally when you roll on a character banner, you're rolling for the 5*. Rosa would just be a bonus if she drops.

But then again, there were a lot of sadge stories about building pity and getting spooked.

[vapid egret]

building pity is such a dumb concept

[hallow flower]

its a fine concept imo

[vapid egret]

sure, since you can just top up if you accidentally waste pity

[hallow flower]

just depends on your risk appetite

[vapid egret]

but i dont think most people operate on whale logic

[hallow flower]

i mean i think its fine for f2p if you understand what your stats are

[vapid egret]

c6 4* only costs more if you want to get it off a single banner and don't want the 5star character at all

[hallow flower]

if you are ok with a X% chance of loss for X% chance of gaining what you get

then do it

[vast current]

Gamba?

[craggy adder]

@random oracle should I do
Shenhe/Ganyu/Ayaka/kazu or Mona for max dmg

[random oracle]

dunno havent done calcs

kaz has
4vv
~30% dmg bonus
much better personal dmg

mona has
freeze
60% dmg bonus
20% cr sometimes (freeze uptime kinda ass)
ttds

probably some other stuff im missing

i prefer kaz probably

cause grouping is also massive for ayaka and ganyu

[cold ridge]

kazuha personal damage when not absorbed hydro is also very very good

[random oracle]

i think i put that

[frank furnace]

Do we have confirmation on how shenhe's quill buff exactly work? Is it a more beefed up sara/bennett's buff since in shenhe's case, the buff scales off her total atk instead of her base atk

[neat geyser]

Check pins

[frank furnace]

I asked because i've seen people talk about it as if her E proc it's an albedo E proc

why would shenhe even use crit if you just want to buff cryo hits as high as possible

wouldn't using shenhe's quill be similar to forward vaping xq's swords?

improving damage of a few hits from a multi-hit skill (e.g. ayaka Q, CA, ganyu Q) would just be a waste?

[neat geyser]

Check pins

[frank furnace]

yeah i just read the faq document

[neat geyser]

Literally anything outside of that scope would have to wait a bit

Since its near 2.4

[frank furnace]

do we have anyone from beta here?

[random oracle]

she doesnt?

she uses the dmg bonus, crit and em of her party members

it's as the faq says

[summer mural]

How’s TF Shenhe looking?

[random oracle]

i dont know if anyone is doing that

[summer mural]

But her buff is on E

[random oracle]

yeah i know it's possible i just dont think anyone has run numbers

[summer mural]

What have you guys been doing then /s

[random oracle]

[mystic linden]

you'd need another cryo ability going to use those quill stacks, but at the same time keep electro on enemy to proc tf

[frank furnace]

i might have misread. the faq says cdmg hat is okay

[summer mural]

Came for TF got no TF bai

[vast current]

[frank furnace]

Why would her E buff proc TF? quills are just buffs arent they

[wooden stratus]

The E hit procs TF

[vast current]

Her E hit triggers electro-related reaction and triggers TF.

[random oracle]

it says crit mainstat is acceptable but marginally worse

it's a probably taking into account her own personal dmg

which she uses her own quills for

[vast current]

Sir, this is the Shenhe TC thread.

[random oracle]

and her buffing capability

[wooden stratus]

OH

[frank furnace]

yeah i was expecting crit hat would be way worse than atk

[craggy adder]

Hmm well I be damn

Was gonna do atk/atk/crit with skyward

[vapid egret]

what does shenhe c1 do

do you get another charge?

[neat trellis]

this question must have been asked a 100 times but i just cant seem to understand the pins

how does shenhe buff cryo dmg

do u have to build up stacks through instances of cryo dmg or do stacks run out after instances of cryo dmg

[vapid egret]

stacks run out

she uses the active characters' crit/cryodmg stats to deal her own instance of damage

its not a buff

[neat trellis]

wait

its not?

[vapid egret]

nope

no buff

[neat trellis]

so she doesnt buff ganyu CA or ult or ayaka

[vapid egret]

but it is amplified by the existing characters' critstats and cryodmg while you are allowed to go full ATK on shenhe

it is going to look like a buff but in effect its kind of not

[neat trellis]

very confusing i see

first of her kind

huh

[vapid egret]

they call it MV adding

[neat trellis]

ok

thats why the MV chart is pinned

hmmm

i am still extremely confused about shenhe

but

its good to kn that she isnt op or very underwhelming

i'll back read a bit on shenhe discussions

[gusty depot]

Hello, I have a few questions on Shenhe, I looked into her kit and the FAQs

I’m not sure if I should pull for her, my second team in spiral is a Ayaka team. I’m currently running Ayaka, Mona, Sucrose and Diona. But if I get Shenhe I’m thinking Ayaka, Mona, Shenhe, Jean.
How much does she benefit Ayaka? And how likely can she battery Ayaka

Also, do you all think skyward spine works on her?

[crimson scaffold]

i was looking at the faq too, her banner 4* are really tempting so i want to be prepared just in case i get a surprise shenhe

[crimson scaffold]

the only cryo i play is ganyu (and usually in melt, not freeze) so i don't know much about freeze but i don't think she can battery as well as diona with sac bow

[gusty depot]

Tbh Diona is not my favourite unit to play anyways, tho she is a good battery

[random oracle]

she's 3 particles every 10 seconds

18 particles per minute

which is really avg

[crimson scaffold]

considering she has built in cryo shred i wonder if it's better to replace sucrose instead of diona in freeze

[random oracle]

diona with sac bow is 8 particles every 15 seconds on avg which is considerably better

[gusty depot]

That would work too

[crimson scaffold]

VV shred gets halved after you go past 0% res anyways so you're not losing much

[random oracle]

if all sucrose is providing is vv then it is a choice to consider

[gusty depot]

VV and a bit of grouping

[gusty depot]

?

[crimson scaffold]

sucrose can hold TTDS, but i'm pretty sure shenhe's quills are better

[gusty depot]

Mona has TTDS anyways

[crimson scaffold]

res shred gets halved when you go into the negatives so for example if the enemy has 10% base resist and you shred 40% the end result is -15% instead of -30%

[gusty depot]

That kinda sucks

[random oracle]

the addtional res shred from vv is still huge

[crimson scaffold]

yep
VV still really strong though, because it's on a different layer

[random oracle]

assuming an opponent with 10% res

vv would be a 1.27% increase in dmg ish

[gusty depot]

Let’s say I run Jean and Shenhe instead of Diona and Sucrose, what am I losing?

[random oracle]

shenhe's 15% res shred would be around 1.139% dmg increase

[crimson scaffold]

energy and shield, not worth it imo

[gusty depot]

What about Sucrose for Shenhe?

[crimson scaffold]

the "weakest link" in your team is sucrose i think
going triple cryo would also help with energy economy

[random oracle]

so from shenhe's res shred to vv's res shred that would be a around a 12% dmg gain

[gusty depot]

I’m trying to make the most of my guaranteed pull

[random oracle]

just going off shred alone

[gusty depot]

But I guess factor in quills and buffs and it’ll be higher?

[random oracle]

probably

[main delta]

if it's sucrose Shenhe can definitely replace. It's another thing if the anemo is kazooie

[random oracle]

but im not sure if it's that much of an upgrade

if you have kazuha or venti they are much better than sucrose in that spot

[gusty depot]

C0 sucrose too….

[random oracle]

would be way more competitive than sucrose

[main delta]

yeah she's in then

[random oracle]

and would fit in 10x more teams

[gusty depot]

I started playing in Ayaka banner, so neither of those

[random oracle]

you might just wanna wait for kazuha rerun tbh

or at least wait until people have had the chance to test her in those teams

[gusty depot]

I’m getting Yae, I’m just maybe squeezing one between

[random oracle]

shenhe is at least 3 banners before yae

[crimson scaffold]

this is the smart thing to do imo
wait a week or so to see how she performs

[random oracle]

which is like 3/2 pities with welkin

[gusty depot]

Not exactly guaranteed 3, maybe only 2.

[vapid egret]

i feel like ganyu ayaka shenhe is a little awkward even if its the best team for shenhe

if shenhe adds MV as opposed to multiplying, i feel like she'll look way better in teams like kaeya rosaria shenhe X as opposed to high MV characters

not to mention that team generates hella energy for shenhe

[gusty depot]

MV?

[random oracle]

oops i meant at most

[crimson scaffold]

motion value, the % of atk that gets converted into damage of a skill

[gusty depot]

Ah

So considering my team of C0 Ayaka, C0 Mona, C0 Sucrose and C1 Diona, is Shenhe likely worth it to replace sucrose?

[ripe cedar]

I think so

[crimson scaffold]

i would replace her

[random oracle]

likely, but that doesnt mean you should pull

[gusty depot]

I also have a level 90 skyward spine I could easily put on her

[ripe cedar]

she wouldn't worth replacing kazuha, but will worth replacing sucrose

[gusty depot]

Like her design too, and I can get Yae even w getting her, so I’m good I think?

[random oracle]

in that case go for it

[vapid egret]

i feel like the answer to this is to pull kazuha instead of shenhe

[crimson scaffold]

tbf kaz is really strong, probably benny tier

[gusty depot]

Poetry boi can be shipped back to inazuma thanks. Meta don’t matter.

[vapid egret]

and incredibly versatile too

[gusty depot]

Plus I’m not patient, and Kazuha would be probably closer to Yae, so nah

[random oracle]

arent you asking questions in here because shenhe being a good team member in the team you're considering playing her in carries weight in your decision to pull?

[vapid egret]

no, hes asking for validation

he is going to pull anyway

[gusty depot]

Yeah

[random oracle]

he asked if she was better than sucrose

[gusty depot]

…..

[random oracle]

you wouldnt need to know if they were better than a current party member

youd just need to know if they worked

[vapid egret]

based

[gusty depot]

I wouldn’t replace sucrose unless Shenhe is better, because I like sucrose too.

[coral onyx]

At what point in the game are you? do you think you'll want to try to push 36 stars abyss at some point or are you happy doing whatever outside of abyss12

[random oracle]

oh

sucrose taser is a cool team you can try

[gusty depot]

I’ve been to 12-1 couldn’t beat it,

[random oracle]

or sukokomon if you have kokomi

[gusty depot]

Not a big deal to beat abyss, just make 9-11 more comfortable to run

[vapid egret]

yea don't use 5*s and abyss performance to pull for characters

its really easy with even the right 4* setup

[coral onyx]

Have fun my man, wait to see how yae looks and pull the one you find you'll have more fun with
even Sucrose - Shenhe should be really fun for clearing big pack of monsters, best thing after Venti - Shenhe - Ganyu for it

[gusty depot]

I factor in efficiency, but it’s more about the chars story and personality for me. And Shenhe is quite appealing, but not as much as Yae, but I should be able to squeeze in enough for Shenhe too

Personality/design is the main reasons I stray away from Diona if there was a better battery/healer, but she’s undeniably good.

[coral onyx]

And yes when you'll try a bit for abyss 12 see how long it'll take you to get a sucrose taser, and or a national half
but if you are only trying to clear lots of team can be used, you'll need a healer or big shield in both sides though if you try to push it on a "young" account

[gusty depot]

But if I had heard that Ayaka and Shenhe didn’t work together I wouldn’t have pulled for Shenhe at all

[coral onyx]

Shenhe should be good for AoE for lots of little mob so for anything under abyss 11 she should be more than nice

[gusty depot]

Started mid Ayaka, my first team is looking good, Hu Tao, XQ, Jean and Sheildfei

The second team has a bit more trouble for now

[vapid egret]

i just run freeze kaeya and melt rosaria every abyss like a degenerate for easy stars

now that i have 3EM sucrose i get to play revmelt+taser

[coral onyx]

Shenhe is tailored for Ayaka, basically another good option to support ayaka well

[gusty depot]

That’s kinda what I was thinking looking at her setup. But I wasn’t sure.

[coral onyx]

The cons of going for Shenhe is that teams will have wildly different ER requirement, 80energy burst have to have the just the right ratio of ADC / ER / number of cryo in the team that generate particules

[gusty depot]

Diona Ayaka and Shenhe together should help for that?

[coral onyx]

3cryo + anemo and a favonius user will have more damage stats than an 2 cryo 1 anemo 1 flex(hydro or else)

[vapid egret]

if you are running ganyu ayaka shenhe i firmly believe venti>kazuha due to this reason

venti is able to build ADC and not have his "buff" be tied to building EM stat and proccing useless uills

15 energy for free is big

[gusty depot]

So, just making sure, C0 Sucrose < C0 Shenhe for Ayaka team

[coral onyx]

Well that team has a lot of particules generated, in single target Kazuha should bring more team damage but Venti is a beast when hyperinvested and his burst works and it's easy to get his burst working with that

but no healer no shielder will be tight

[vapid egret]

im pretty sure in single-target venti is going to do more

[main delta]

it's not even close. She's even better than a c6 succ

well, for freeze/mono cryo

[gusty depot]

Freeze comp yep, Mona as hydro applyer

[vapid egret]

Kazuha's buff amount is tied to him building EM stat and it tanks his personal damage due to 1-target swirl and quill stuff

Venti has better stats to proc quills and due to building ADC does not lose damage on 1-target in swirl
It's not like you suddenly have no energy problems that 15 energy won't help with that team just because you have 3 cryo either im pretty sure

[gusty depot]

Thank you all for the input

[harsh wagon]

dumb question but what is ADC LOL

attack damage carry?

[vapid egret]

attack damge crit

[main delta]

attack, %ele/phys damage, crit rate/damage

[harsh wagon]

ohhh, I thought it was AEC?

attack elemental crit

[main delta]

wut about phys gobs then

[vapid egret]

then you abandon the poor physical boy

[stark fern]

Doesn't her quills run out super fast due to ayaka's burst/normal attacks, or is the rotation long enough to cover for that

[harsh wagon]

ohh tru... it's ok I lost eula 50/50 so phys dosnt exist

[vapid egret]

quills run out really fast yea

but all that matters is that you proc them all

[harsh wagon]

the press version buffs burst damage but only 5 quills

[gusty depot]

Better to tap or hold quills?

[stark fern]

[coral onyx]

That doesn't matter, that you deal 100k more from that tap E over 2seconds or over 6 seconds change nothing you just have to not let quills expire as possible and there will definitelybe rotation for both tap E to go as much as possible in the Ayaka burst to make it even easier
the rotation will probably be a 20 seconds anyway and the damage will be triggered

[vapid egret]

it doesnt matter what you the quills on though
you just have to use thema ll

[stark fern]

I see

[torpid quail]

what do you think of a shenhe/ganyu/mona/sucrose team?

[coral onyx]

It should be great fun for high target AoE,
will need really great artifact set, and gameplay, have to hit the Ganyu E, shenhe E on CD and have to pay ganyu well for Abyss 36*

[torpid quail]

how would the energy reqs for such a team look like? I am guessing shenhe would want around 180 ER and ganyu around 140 ER ?

[coral onyx]

For the cryos yeah, mona and sucrose will have to have high ER also

[torpid quail]

oof that's rough- my ganyu's crit dmg will take a hit if I focus on ER

its at 50/200 with 116 ER and 50/160 with 150 ER

[main delta]

near 190% should be achieveable without er sands if you use spine

[crimson scaffold]

do you even need sucrose in that comp? what if you go with another cryo instead, maybe even CY to get even more cryo shred and some free cdr

[torpid quail]

don't have spine, I am close to pity on std and I am hoping to get one of the bows or the polearms

[woven comet]

about how much of a difference is atk/atk/atk compared to adc on shenhe for damage and buffing

[torpid quail]

VV shred and the only source of grouping

[crimson scaffold]

i wouldn't call sucrose a good grouping character tbh

[woven comet]

vv shred is insanely valuable

[torpid quail]

she is the only one if you don't have kaz/venti

[woven comet]

even if she can't group properly

[crimson scaffold]

and if running sucrose means your dps is taking a hit because you have to run more ER then i dunno if it's that good, specially when shenhe already applies some res shred herself

[torpid quail]

which I do not

[crimson scaffold]

there is also anemo MC

[torpid quail]

I was thinking of running a ganyu/tao/XQ/shenhe team tbh

replacing rosa in this comp

[crimson scaffold]

ngl anemo MC grouping is kinda good, but the tornado is too small and fast to group everything if you don't aim it properly

[woven comet]

wouldn't ganyu eat up the icy quill stacks really fast?

[torpid quail]

any cryo char will eat it up tbh

[woven comet]

true

shenhe's in a weird spot

[crimson scaffold]

CY will eat all quills with a EQ combo

[torpid quail]

ayaka has 20 hits on the burst and you are also AA'ing with cryo infusion

those 5 stacks are gone before you know it

[vapid egret]

this is not a problem

since shenhe doesn't buff, she merely adds to the existing MV of an attack by a static amount

[coral onyx]

It either doesn't matter or it's better that those stacks are used fast so you can potentially used more character to consume stacks

[vapid egret]

yea

shenhe driver in a sense

[ripe cedar]

yeah
shenhe should be treated as off field dps instead of support

like how childe should be treated as driver instead of dps

[pale root]

Couldnt shenhe be classified as a
off-field... Driver?
Since her job is making the other cryo units do their thing better

[autumn totem]

Wt* is a driver?

Childe deals dps close to XL in their teams, he's an enabler and a dps both

Shenhe doesn't do any dmg, she buffs other people's dmg. That's like saying Mona is a dps on freeze comps

[pale root]

If well invested

People tend to use mona as a Ttds slave
Then sure she does no dmg

[frank furnace]

if anything, she's the one who'd eat it up slower

compared to ayaka and even other cryo

[frank furnace]

how do we know this? is this how flat atk buffs work? (e.g. bennett, sara)

[vapid egret]

no, just shenhe

its in the pins too or faq

[frank furnace]

this one?

it's not in the faq

based on the description ithought it works like sara/bennett's flat atk buff

[vapid egret]

from current knowledge it deals an instance of damage using the initial characters' crit stats

[frank furnace]

it doesnt buff individual hits from the skill that consumes quills?

[vapid egret]

definitionally it buffs because it increases the damage of the hits that consume quills but the math is more like an instance of shenhe's own damage

its in the faq

so whether you use a cryo hit that has 1% scaling or 1000000% scaling doesnt matter with regards to shenhe's "buff" because she adds an MV value that is static to the hit regardless of what it is (in essence, its just shenhe's own instance of damage but using the characters' crit stats)

so she's more of an off-field DPS with some buffs on the kit rather than a full-on cryo support

i don't get the classification of shenhe as a cryo buffer

[jolly shadow]

So whats better for Eula. Rosaria c6 or Shenhe?

[frank furnace]

you need rosaria to battery eula unless you have higher than the usual ER on Eula

[jolly shadow]

Doesn't Diona fill that role?

[vapid egret]

battery isnt a static thing

if you have 2 batteries you do lower ER

there is no hard and fast rule for ER

[main delta]

I think an offensively built Diona with Fav bow will do great for Shenhe. Can instantly pop 5 quills with E and never have to use burst so you can funnel freely.

[frank furnace]

yes. and you should only be running another cryo in that team if you're not using diona anyway

[jolly shadow]

I was more thinking whats better
Eula/Raiden/Shenhe/Diona
Eula/Raiden/Rosaria/Diona

[frank furnace]

rosaria with diona seems like a dps loss

there are much better units for that rosaria slot e.g. beidou, fischl, sara

or just run fav rosaria and replace diona with someone else

[viral comet]

what build to give shenhe if she's only being used for her passive?

[fluid orchid]

ATK%/ATK%/ATK%
can also us ER sands if you have energy issues

[static trail]

You have a FAQ in pins if you want

[near drum]

hm

[west delta]

Will ganyu shenhe venti kokomi be as good as ganyu mona venti diona ?

Or if it's worse, by how much

[cold ridge]

i really cant see it being worse tbh

maybe in aoe

[coral onyx]

Damn shenhe-Ganyu-Venti-Qiqi is pretty low damage, I was expecting it because in AoE it's going to be insane if you don't have to move much
I still need to calc Qiqi, I just guessed a number for her don't think I can calc that clam set easily, but that's what I have for now
shenhe favonius doesn't look too good
28~32k team dps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LZmoDFcMB_nQdacH_Exivrdp0NxOfYDOXwEdIk-qL2U/edit

[autumn totem]

People use her with ttds cause she does no dmg, not the other way around

That's like saying Diona does no dmg cause she has a Fav bow

[autumn totem]

@pale root Look at this and tell me why you'd call shenhe a subdps instead of Qiqi?

Srr for the ping brizjk

[coral onyx]

np, I didn't separate it but 40-50k on Ganyu and 20-30k on Venti are from the quills
But I wouldn't call her a subdps myself but probably an off field buffer I'd say

[ancient oasis]

is this good for cryo main dps shenhe?

[bleak furnace]

How many days

For shenhe

Please come soon

Get compatible with Kazuha

Ayaka

And mona

So I can pull you

And use my pity primos on Ayaka+Kazuha

[cold ridge]

1 week

[bleak furnace]

I’ve prefarmed shenhe

She better be right

[cold ridge]

she is fine dw too much about it

[wooden stratus]

Prefarmed c6 by going to work

[dapper jewel]

What teams are you all thinking of putting shenhe in? I have a lot of options but because her kit is so unusual I’m having a hard time deciding where she’ll fit

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe (ayaka / ganyu) hydro anemo

[harsh hornet]

Is Shenhe a reasonable choice for this sort of team if you don't have Kokomi? Barbara is obviously copium and giving up Venti or kazuha to run Jean as your anemo doesn't seem worth

Not keen on running a healerless team with no sustain, specially with the wolves and no shields

[wooden stratus]

Xq also provides damage reduction and minor patching up if your other side doesnt need him

[bronze hull]

I have this question too, but if giving up mona is worth it to run kokomi

[crimson scaffold]

you can always give mona prototype amber to heal the team

[pastel portal]

I'm thinking xq/bennet/ayaya/shenhe

Shenhe will do enough to offset the VV loss

Also works if you're using kazuha on the other team

Since these latest f12s have been very anti-Venti

[dapper jewel]

Hmm yeah I don’t have kokomi either sadly so if I’m using shenhe in freeze it’s either Mona, xq, or Barbara…is there any thought on triple cryo + anemo?

[frigid stump]

Yeah that would be a mono cryo comp essentially

[tawny sentinel]

i have a question in regards to Shenhe vs zhong-

Shenhe's Divine Maiden's Deliverance
• 6% Cryo/Phys RES shred at Talent lvl1, 15% Cryo/Phys RES shred at Talent lvl 10
• Duration: 12s
• CD: 80 Energy Burst every 20s

Zhongli's Jade Shield:
• 20% flat Shred all elements and Physical RES (even at Talent lvl1)
• Duration: 20s
• CD: on E (free use) every 12s

so for support would it only make sense to pull shenhe if u already have zhong?

[main delta]

whatdya mean by that? You want to use them in the same team?

[tawny sentinel]

no i mean like since theyll both be on banner, if i didnt have either, who would be a better pick

[main delta]

Do you like her design? Do you have any cryo dps invested?
Keep in mind that zl isn't as useful as he was because they've been adding in a lot of shield-piercing damage

[tawny sentinel]

mm design aside more on the meta perspective.

say i have a built ganyu and ayaka and eula

[sage nymph]

Shenhe will always give higher damage than Zhongli for cryo teams

but he gives a lot more comfort

[tawny sentinel]

from the quils?

[main delta]

From everything.

[sage nymph]

the quills are the biggest buff but she gives lot of little ones that add up

she is a very offensive unit

zhongli is a very defensive one

meta wise the game rewards offense a lot more, but zhongli is much more versatile

pretty hard to compare them and pick one over the other

[tawny sentinel]

is there a calc spreadsheet i can refer to? based on these numbers from honeyimpact i'm a little confused on how shenhe is more offensive

or its something else than just the shred

[sage nymph]

well she's a buffer lol

her quills add a really large damage boost that scales with your DPS's stats

[tawny sentinel]

does her 20% cryo buff expire when the quills expire? oh right i see it 15% cryo buff inside her burst

[sage nymph]

i think the cryo buff is during her burst and inside it

its nice but not the main part of her kit

[tawny sentinel]

alr thanks

[sage nymph]

https://youtu.be/vjnxcM6cBRI this person does pre-release math analysis of the new units, i'm not sure on his reputation with WFP here, but i've found his videos to be pretty informative and helpful

you can skip around and read the tldr's and look at some of the math comparisons to get an idea for shenhe's performance

but she is a damage amplifier specialized for cryo units, she gives a big damage boost to cryo DPS characters, albeit with some caveats

zhongli has the strongest shield in the game, and has some slight offensive utility with his resistance shred, but he is usually a DPS loss in teams, you are trading damage for survivability with him

I don't think zhongli is super meta anymore, and if Shenhe's downsides don't outweigh her buff, and she is a good support for Ganyu/Ayaka, I feel she will be far more meta than Zhong, just because those units are for more meta than him

[bold flame]

So my Ayaka has 30 Crit rate and 160 Crit dmg on 4pc blizzard freeze team , these will be good if I use shenhe on her ?

[sage nymph]

crit damage is a little low but yeah shenhe should add a good bit of damage

i dont know enough about the math of the game to confirm

[ripe cedar]

I personally think that outside the you-know-who four stars and some 5 stars like Raiden, Kazuha, or Ayaka, Mihoyo have good sense of game balancing. Zhongli might be less useful against corrosion mobs/floor, but he's a very good comfort pick against everything else, meanwhile Shenhe deals good damage but is limited to ST/cryo

[bold flame]

Thanks

[sage nymph]

agreed, I think the balancing in the game is quite good, most units are generally useful while not being broken

Shenhe is a dedicated buffer for the best DPS element, she could easily be broken, so balancing her is a very delicate thing

[bold flame]

How about shenhe with xiao,
She can increase burst dmg, normal and plunge dmg

[sage nymph]

definitely not lol

she is a cryo buffer

her passive giving a bit of normal attack damage is just a bonus for cryo units

[bold flame]

Lol 😂

[tardy sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiR0NkR_Lw I am not following any shenhe TC. but what do you guys think of this video

[wooden stratus]

Some complaints

[ripe cedar]

generally same concerns that this channel has, but 1010 forgets to analysis how the abyss is moving to bosses for the time being (unfreezeable, single target) and how shenhe "buffs" weaker cryos more and will fit even future HP/Def-scaling cryo characters

[main delta]

it's 1010 lmao

[vapid egret]

we are back to "shenhe is a buffer"

[ripe cedar]

don't we get some trailer for shenhe / yunjin days before patch? like today or tomorrow?

[bleak furnace]

This is good thing🙇🏻🙅🏻

[sage nymph]

do we know how shenhe + ganyu/ayaka compares to ganyu + ayaka? that seems to be a pretty critical point for most players unsure of Shenhe's value

[frank furnace]

that's a bit too early. it's usually a day or two prior to release isnt it.

[shadow rune]

That's a different one

There's teaser (5* only), demo, and miscellany

Teaser comes 6 days before release

Demo is the one near release

Miscellany is after release

[bleak furnace]

Mihoyo is quite lazy this time

Idk why is that

The demo has to be out by now

[vast current]

Shenhe good yet?

[ripe cedar]

she's good for my heart

[reef oar]

Only Yunjin demo this time

No shenhe demo

[chilly hinge]

True but I liked that he at last was able to use his platform to correct some of the bad hot takes that have been spreading through the community, like the people that are malding over shenhe being unable to buff all 20 ticks of Ayaka's ult, when in reality making it like that would nerf shenhe for every other cryo character

[chilly hinge]

in raw buffs shenhe contributes a bit more. as for damage it depends. Ganyu does a lot of damage with her ult if enemies are grouped, but against 1 enemy the raw MV of her icicles hitting 1 enemy every 1.5 seconds is similar to Shenhe's ult's total MV

[vast current]

But Ganyu actually builds crits and damage.

[chilly hinge]

You can build crit and damage on shenhe if you want to. Whether or not you should is a different question

[vast current]

Point is Shenhe's not going to make good use of her MV.

[chilly hinge]

yeah but also people are somewhat overrating the value of ganyu as a support in my opinion, since the damage doesn't really come online without her quadratic scaling

anyways I don't want to start an argument I was just trying to disseminate some information

[vast current]

Shenhe bad!

Jean Chongus Shenhe cryo CA spam.

[woven mantle]

idk if you've seen tenten play but if you did you'd understand why he just talks about numbers performance and not actual performance

[coral onyx]

Her CA is pretty low MV, she needs a big stat buffer to do that but maybe it can work with Mona, Bennett but running shimenawa us going to make it hard energy wise

[woven mantle]

he talks about meta and perfect rotations but can't really execute them

[vapid egret]

this isn't even a shenhe TC channel this is just a ganyu Ayaka TC channel

[ripe cedar]

there should be cryomains channel

[static trail]

Do you think that Shenhe can be a part of the national team? With Xiangling Bennett Xingqiu to enable melt for Xiangling/Bennett? Or maybe she will make the reactions?

[ripe cedar]

her application looks like to be so-so, rosaria is looking better for that
also due to her low burst tick modifier, triggering with shenhe is a waste of reaction

[harsh wagon]

ok but like why would you play her over say raiden, or kazuha, or even zhongli

even if you don't have them kaeya exists

[static trail]

I thought about cryo units, and if Shenhe can be as good as them in fact to be in that team

But that was only a speculation to try to see if she can shine in another comps than cryo - freeze comps

Thanks for answering me!

[ripe cedar]

idk I think she might be good with mono cryo Eula?
say C6 rosaria-shenhe-eula-diona
but now you give Eula Blizzard Strayer instead of Pale Flame
Rosaria+Shenhe+Eula gives 20+15+25 = -60% phys res
Shenhe+Eula also gives -40% cryo res
Shenhe gives +15% dmg bonus to Eula's burst
Blizzard gives Eula free 35% crit
With Rosaria at 100% crit rate, it's 50% free crit for Eula
And having 4 cryos will reduce the ER problem for both Eula and Shenhe

[harsh wagon]

Losing super conduct on Eula burst is probably not worth it

[ripe cedar]

say Eula still uses Pale Flame: The calculation becomes losing 40% phys res shred from SC (that will have half effectivity for most mobs) for 15% crit rate from cryo resonance, 15% phys res shred, and 15% skill/burst damage worth it?

[harsh wagon]

Maybe, but say you eek out another 4% damage over the existing comp… is that really worth it account wise, obviously waifu is waifu, but

[ripe cedar]

imagine using 3 cryo tall ladies in one team and it's 4% stronger
why not

[harsh wagon]

Tru, facts are facts

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe as support for Pike Zhongli

[ripe cedar]

in mono cryo comp where every character will be driving Shenhe's quills, can't the quill's damage be calculated by using the average crit value and dmg% of the party members?

[wooden stratus]

Thts how we assume its calced yes

[coral onyx]

can't simplify it like that, most characters will have differents DMG% bonus on differents sources that will also change the damage of the quill

[ripe cedar]

yeah I meant different dmg bonus sources is included

[vapid egret]

seems accurate

[bleak furnace]

There’s another aspect I’m considering that is, what if Mihoyo made shenhe considering some future Xyz character ?

[main delta]

She works with all cryos, so that's true in a way.

[remote pebble]

most supports are like that

[timber kiln]

anyone has ganyu shenhe kokomi venti sheet

weps are amos, fav polearm, proto amber, elegy

[feral garden]

Also interested in this comp but with Ayaka instead of Ganyu - weapons are R1 Mistsplitter, R3 PJWS(?), TTDS and R1 Elegy

[gloomy light]

if her quill procs on ganyu charge attack does the shimenawa buff increases the quill damage ?

[ripe cedar]

yes

[vast current]

Jean CA is higher MV than Keqing's.

[remote pebble]

keqing is slightly higher

[vast current]

Until TL 11-15 unlock.

[timber kiln]

hmmm

[coral onyx]

Probably have some small mistakes but Ayaka's burst if all pulse hit is ridiculous, nearly 180k damage more with just 2E 1Q on ayaka than a Ganyu with 2E 1Q + 2 CA

[mystic linden]

looks right to me, ganyu w/o melt doesn't really compete with ayaka dps

single target, anyway

[summer mural]

Has anyone TCd double anemo Shenhe

Shenhe Kazuha venti?

Possibly triple anemo with rolling Sayu on field

[mystic linden]

but why

[summer mural]

Because anemo Can do cryo damage

[mystic linden]

not very much of it, kaz can't even proc 10 quills in 20 seconds

[summer mural]

Q is 5 2 Es is 2, so that’s 7 from him per rotation

Isn’t that the exact amount of stacks she gives

[coral onyx]

Only works on burst, not swirl

[summer mural]

A2

Not swirl

[mystic linden]

oh hold E yea, we've been working with 2x tap E for a lot of 20s rotas

[summer mural]

You get a2 on tap E too

[coral onyx]

Oh, in Aoe he would get all quills anyway but there are 10 quills for 20 sec rotations so he'll miss 2-3 in ST

[summer mural]

Oh I thought it was 7 quills?

[coral onyx]

5 quills 10 sec CD

[summer mural]

Ah

[coral onyx]

so you get 2E 1 Q per 20 sec

[summer mural]

You wouldn’t play a Kazuha venti team ST anyway tbh

[coral onyx]

yep

[desert locust]

can i know how much estimation numbers of shenhe 7 quill bonus dmg on 1 character per E?

or per quill. with active char has 100%/200% cr/cd.

[earnest kestrel]

About 8k-10k for 5 Quills (tap E)

[main delta]

Well it depends on other things other than crit too

[earnest kestrel]

Yep, attack

[main delta]

Like %damage and shred

[vast current]

They get 7 * 82.18% Shenhe's ATK.

[earnest kestrel]

Shenhe is bringing at least 25% DPS if not more, in the cryo comps, and she's off-field.

[desert locust]

we still dont know if the quills snapshot her atk right?

[shadow rune]

From wording it doesnt

[crimson scaffold]

if quills snapshot then she would have anti-synergy with her personal weapon

[reef oar]

Ya quill probably don’t snapshot

Though knowing mhy

[remote pebble]

it says it's based off her current ATK

[mystic linden]

updated calc, shenhe looks about on par with ganyu in a venti/ayaka/kokomi team

source https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fKFGrvR-jCygIa0-Lc1GMqGYkMZ9fFHmHLm-qFQm5cM/edit?usp=sharing

[pulsar tinsel]

No ganyu/mona for comparison?

[broken yarrow]

In an Ayaka/Shenhe/Xingqiu/Jean team what artifact set do you recommend for Shenhe

im not sure if you should you noblesse, bliz, or atk% sets

[ripe cedar]

any calcs with ganyu/ayaka/venti/kokomi ?

[mystic linden]

middle 3 columns

[ripe cedar]

ohhh sorry and thanks

[broken yarrow]

artifacts for shenhe though? and budget weapons

[mystic linden]

4no, fav lance

[broken yarrow]

thanks <3

should it be all atk% or do you want cryo dmg or crit as main stats

or any other stats

[mystic linden]

atk/atk/atk, look for er substats

[broken yarrow]

alright that sounds good

[mystic linden]

don't bother building shenhe for damage unless

[ripe cedar]

I wonder if shenhe can make peeps like chongyun / kaeya / rosaria punch above their weight

[broken yarrow]

nahhh im f2p

[mystic linden]

rosa maybe, i'll be testing her melt w/ shenhe

[broken yarrow]

hmm maybe, i dont have any of them built so i couldnt say what their kits are like

[mystic linden]

only thing i don't like about rosa melt is most of the damage coming from her 12s long stationary burst

[ripe cedar]

I wonder if this would be good
Shenhe Shime/Glad atk/atk/atk
Rosaria C6 NO Blizzard Deathmatch atk/cryo/crit
Diona sac exile
Eula Blizzard atk/phys/cdmg

or quad melt shenhe + chongyun + amber + sucrose

[mystic linden]

probably worse than other eula teams

[ripe cedar]

even with free 35% crit on eula?