Shenhe Thread

[pine heron]

I think indirectly are fine

still kinda pain when its artis for buffs

[sage nymph]

I think they are doing a good job of doing indirect nerfs

my problem is that the devs are now making decisions based around over centralizing characters, rather than based on what their vision and direction for the game is

[pine heron]

yea

[sage nymph]

but bennet is the real issue

how do you design new units with the understanding every one of them may just have an extra 1000 attack?

like hu tao and itto are decent answers (though even itto benefits from him)

but are we just never gonna see a traditional attack scaling character again loL?

[pine heron]

you places restrictions and conditions with higher reward sometimes for newer units

[sage nymph]

and are they gonna be balanced with or without bennet? will they be busted with him or underwhelming and require him

yeah agreed

i imagine we will see a shenhe for each element

[pine heron]

or just make shit up

nah

welll

we'll maybe see

stacks creep up again

[sage nymph]

i don't mean necessarily a damage amplifier

[pine heron]

yea yea

just the stack system of yunjin and shenhe

[sage nymph]

but like units that are more specialized so they are better than bennet for a certain comp

gorou etc

[pine heron]

yea we'll see that

[sage nymph]

what do you mean stacks creep up?

[pine heron]

the stack limiter

on their buffs

[sage nymph]

you're saying thats why they wont replace bennet?

[pine heron]

no

I mean we'll see

more of those

[sage nymph]

oh yeah

[pine heron]

kinds of units

[sage nymph]

its pretty clever design

letting them have a big damage buff but also giving it a hard limit

i like the stack mechanics a lot

[pine heron]

Its neat concept

[sage nymph]

maybe shenhe's are a lil restrictive for AoE, but i mean kazuha and Ganyu exist

[pine heron]

that was done well for yunjin

the 5/7 on shenhe is kinda ehh for my liking but interesting future comps maybe

[sage nymph]

yeah we'll have to see

but they have to be careful you know

[pine heron]

but no one rn would build for quick swap burst mono cryo

yea

[sage nymph]

when i first read shenhe's abilities i was shocked

just hte fact that they released a dedicated damage amplifier for Cryo of all things

makes sense they put so many restrictions on it

gotta be careful buffing ganyu/ayaka/permafreeze

[pine heron]

yea

[sage nymph]

tbh i have a lot more faith in mihoyo's balancing than most people

balancing is insanely difficult, but I think the game is going a good direction, broken abyss units (wolves) aside

[pine heron]

for most units in hindsight, yea they've been p fair with balance

[sage nymph]

its just the growing pains of coming off of the liyue units

and mihoyo desperately trying to balance around the busted 4 stars lol

[pine heron]

tho for things like specific DMG or whatever per x thing is dependent on personal investment
every unit is aight

[sage nymph]

||though yoimiya should not have ICD on her burst||

[sage nymph]

yeah exactly, the game is overall very well balanced

even the worst unit in the game is decent and can be made to work just cause its an rpg

[pine heron]

yea but it also doesn't make them better than what they are

[sage nymph]

and honestly with the clam set the arguable worst unit (qiqi) has way more relevance now

[pine heron]

as said investment can be put on a unit that already gets the job done

and they can do it better

[sage nymph]

agreed I never got why people were like "there aren't any bad units you can invest in anyone"

like thats not how that works lol

[pine heron]

which is smth that's completely fine and not a lot of people get on both sides

[sage nymph]

its a GOOD thing that we can make even the worst units in the game fairly viable

[pine heron]

yea

[sage nymph]

besides when you main a low tier you get to be all elitist and smug to the meta slaves, if you say every unit is good you lose that lmao

[pine heron]

tho certain units could still use some help or an upgrade

[sage nymph]

i hope they release an artifact set for keqing

[pine heron]

I see the game as "everything's has its price and opportunity cost with limited resources, have to look at things from all angles and understand it to determine its value and see if you're fine with it and think its worth the price to pay"

even tho we can spend mora, artis weapons etc. on x units, should we?

can this be put on someone else?

[sage nymph]

yeah thats where meta has relevance

[pine heron]

mhm

[sage nymph]

resources are super limited in this game

if you don't just outright love one unit, it makes sense to invest in ones that will give better returns

[fluid belfry]

Meta has relevance in every gacha game in that regard

[pine heron]

but its also not just meta

since its a gacha game

shit does translate to money

and things like gameplay char design etc. are factors

[sage nymph]

tbh i see meta more for what units you grind for and invest in

i feel like most limited banner characters will serve you just fine

[pine heron]

and we can't pull for everyone

yea

[sage nymph]

the only way you could maybe go wrong is like pulling for 5 main dps units

[fluid belfry]

Not really

[pine heron]

yea with no supports or sub dps

[fluid belfry]

People have different amounts of money AND time they can put in

[pine heron]

oh for sure

some people can get everyone

for collector's sake or whaling

[fluid belfry]

If they don’t want to put in time and aren’t willing to spend lots, then meta can give them a good idea of what needs to be done to clear the end game competently if that’s something they care about

[pine heron]

some can't put time in all at

mhm

[fluid belfry]

Most people just don’t care which sometimes feels odd to those who move in these TC circles.

Last I checked a good majority of the player base dont care about abyss still

At least in polls

[sage nymph]

abyss is one of the things i increasingly find to be kind of one of the worse designed parts of the game

for the most part I feel like genshin is really an amazing game for FTPs

like no BP pass is kind of rough, but the pity system is honestly pretty generous, and 4 stars are so good you won't have any problems just playing with them

[pine heron]

for sure

[sage nymph]

but the artifact system is absolutely god awful, and the consistently inflated HP pools of abyss, combined with awful enemy design are the few things that make me go "fuck this game it's not worth spending money on"

and i think fixing one would help the other

[pine heron]

certain monsters are a pain in the ass

[sage nymph]

making artifacts a bit better would make abyss a bit easier, and making abyss a bit easier (or less of a dps check and less rng in enemy AI) would make artifact grinding less vital

[pine heron]

certain units make things managable

[sage nymph]

as it stands I just don't feel like abyss is well designed enough to care about for the average player

or at least 36 starring it

[pine heron]

and tbh, I think it is sorta great we had a strong base launch roster of 4*'s, in particular supports and sub dps
altho some are a bit overtuned than others

ofc it makes newer releases a bit

well yk

[sage nymph]

yeah like we arent gonna be seeing a xingqiu or xiangling in the 4 stars any time soon

[pine heron]

I just don't care enough about loading into several small rooms to fight stuff
idk the way abyss is just looks like a chore

[lost echo]

This

[sage nymph]

another big problem i have is that abyss is starting to creep to get too tanky even for player's with decent invested five stars to clear

and they already have good artifacts

[pine heron]

mhm

[lost echo]

Artifacts grinding is such a huge pain

[sage nymph]

so getting better ones to possibly overcome the damage check is hard

pushing them to getting five star weaponns....

[pine heron]

and like other events have come up that are fight based

that are fun

or at least seem better than abyss

vagabond gives you a difficulty slider

[sage nymph]

yeah i like abyss mostly becuase I actually get to engage in the mechanics more, and use my full team rotation before everything dies

[lost echo]

The doggo design is just awful

[sage nymph]

once they add good content with repeatable, adjustable combat i'll be so happy

[pine heron]

lab was actually a nice rougelike

misty dungeon a good trial run

[sage nymph]

let players grind for some minor rewards like EXP materials, mora, and crystals

[pine heron]

didn't do amp or misty much doe

[sage nymph]

just having repeatable content that we can use our powerful teams in will be great

[pine heron]

but amp had nice concept

yea p much

[sage nymph]

also holy shit as someone who doesn't have kazuha-vent-sucrose abyss is fucking brutal

it basically requires a powerful CC unit

xiangling-childe has enough AoE to be okay, but my ayaka team has it rough

[wooden stratus]

Genshin has these beautiful open world designs and then decides endgame content should be in a small room. I'd like to see some outdoorsy designs.

[sage nymph]

i love the new inazuma domains

so pretty

[lost echo]

The er set domain is gorgeous

ruined by def and hp% artifacfs

[sage nymph]

yup

i feel like players should be able to slowly craft artifact main and sub stats

like make it a god awful conversoin rate

100 artifacts for 1 main or substat, i dont care

just make it to where you won't through hundreds of resin into possibly 0 increase to your account

[lost echo]

At least allow us to choose the set and a piece

[sage nymph]

yeah that part is pretty tricky to balance

letting player's choose their set basically doubles the rate at which you get good artifacts

that is a massive change

[lost echo]

I was farming VV EM sands. Several weeks later I get one and it is from our beloved set

[sage nymph]

i feel you, fuck the VV domain

especially because maiden's beloved is quite literally useless

[lost echo]

And the beloved set actually drops good artifacts with good subs

[sage nymph]

yup

[lost echo]

It's rigged

Artifacts improvement is the only thing that can make excited

[sage nymph]

i do think artifact grind is important, letting players have strong builds quickly would reduce the content of the game and make players way stronger than they are now

but i just feel like they could make it somewhat less frustrating

[lost echo]

True

Perhaps when we get some content, they will do something

[sage nymph]

also the new characters strangely make artifact farming way easier

[lost echo]

Right now the main reason for artifacts grinding is abyss which not many ppl are a fan of

[sage nymph]

so many new units arent scaling with crit or dmg% goblet

[lost echo]

Yeah

I legit decided whoever I will roll for, they will make do with what artifacts I have. I don't have any strength remaining to build a character from scratch

Like if I was to pull Itto, he will run 4pc glad cuz fk that def domain

[pine heron]

honestly I feel like genshin shouldn't have an endgame like abyss

[lost echo]

Well abyss makes you play 10 mins more every 15 days

[pine heron]

what exactly and how much are you actually gonna test of a player?
their investment? DMG
characters? I mean sure but that kinda just correlates to DMG or smth else like survival but that sounds boring
elements? we do it all the time

etc etc

I don't think endgame should be a test, if you can even call it that

[sage nymph]

this is the right way to play

[pine heron]

just again, places you can use your investment on

[sage nymph]

genshin is a way more fun game when you understand how bullshit artifacts are and take it less seriously

[lost echo]

Yup exactly

[sage nymph]

also building a bunch of different units than hyper investing your current ones is way less frutrating

[wooden stratus]

Just settle with 180 CV artis instead of pulling your hair out going for the perfect rolls

you can still do everything anyway

[sage nymph]

crit? on artifacts? please

[pine heron]

yea, I've just settled with my decent 2 4pc husk sets for geo bros

[lost echo]

Yup. When I farm bosses and talents I feel less frustrated. At least I am getting guaranteed returns for my resin

[wooden stratus]

I mean get 300% ER

[sage nymph]

there we go

[pine heron]

I think endgame should be constantly recurring and rotating past events (like abyss reset except every 3 weeks)

[wooden stratus]

Because endgame is hard to implement

Look at Warframe

Look at destiny

Look at genshin

[wooden stratus]

playing wf rn new war hype

Is it's extremely hard to create endgame

Why

Because it's just a speed race

To see how fast the players can beat the content and how fast mhy can push it out.

I feel like it'd be better to just try and thing of games with good endgame content and try and see what made them good

It's hard to do that as well

If I could use another example it would Skyrim

Skyrim is a very successful game

So much so that has maintained relevancy for 10 years

Companies like money so they would try to make a game like that

But no one has

I think the biggest part of a game's longevity is the community. I agree that endgame content is often just a speedrun. Having players interact with each-other makes the games fun and for Skyrim, that was the mods

[wooden stratus]

Why because no one knows the secret if they did endgame would be a non issue, for every game dev endgame content is a secret code they themselves would have to firgure out.

For honkai it was elysian realm

For destiny it was raids

And so on so forth

[pine heron]

Unironically, co-op able raids would be great for this game.
Co-op is actually fun when lags not in the way and several players of one unit is funny asf

[wooden stratus]

Yep but that opens a whole new can of worms

Lmao

Man, making games is hard

[frigid stump]

[wooden stratus]

Yep sadge life

And I'm doing it in the future

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

Sticking to single player games I wanna make the next Skyrim

Or something as famous

[pine heron]

I mean, I suppose. But they've already done event boss fights, and trail of delicacies (plus other "camp to camp fighting" based events). Its fairly basic framework for co-op fighting imo that they can use again

[wooden stratus]

Not that kind of can of worms

Its more so player/skill based issues

Matchmaking having to become a thing

Etcetc

[pine heron]

skill issues

just play a healer

and yea co-op has its issue still

its less that they exist and more, are they willing to fix those issues and give easy repeatable content

[pale root]

Nah
They will fix everything teapot related first

[pine heron]

exactly

[pale root]

And then add more teapot related minigames, which brings more bugs to fix

[pine heron]

what bugs

🤨

[pale root]

The last thing added was what? The time challenge mode right?

[pine heron]

yea

[pale root]

If the host or any player start the challenge
While other player is at the finish spot

It will end instantly

And give the player a 0s time

[pine heron]

[pale root]

The time challenge meta is ruined with this bug

Sayu was SSS tier

[sour socket]

Do we know if Shenhe has an icd on her periodic damage?

Or is her DoT even fast enough for that to matter?

[vast current]

2-2.5 seconds.

[mystic linden]

it does two hits at a time so without icd it would apply a decent amount of cryo

and ruin melt builds

[oak tide]

remember when time was measured from when you started the challenge instead of when you entered the domain

[patent smelt]

is that how it is in the abyss?

[pale root]

Nops

[silver kayak]

If i have Shenhe and Ayaka who would be the other two in the team?

[main delta]

anemo

and flex

[true finch]

Hello, newbie here. I just want to ask is it possible to team up shenhe with hutao? Thanks!

[drifting vigil]

[cloud oyster]

is it true that Shenhe main role is to buff other chara ATK from her skill so we stack as many ATK as possible?

[verbal blaze]

yes and no

[foggy orchid]

shenhe's skill buff has only 5-7 triggers

but does that mean

[verbal blaze]

yes for her quill
no, for her E. she can buff cryo dmg, resist

[foggy orchid]

will the buff last for the whole of ayakas burst duration?

or only the 5-7 ticks out of 20

[verbal blaze]

idk how long does ayaka burst but i assume 10s is enough?

[foggy orchid]

maybe

[verbal blaze]

guys wanna ask the E hold and Press

what if we use the hold
does it mean we get the benefit from press too?

[foggy orchid]

nope

the hold is like for main dps characters

[verbal blaze]

oh shoot
i thought she's versatile like kazoo
i mean buff wise

[foggy orchid]

yeah well

the thing is about her skill buff

she too deals dot dmg with her burst

the buff will go away in milliseconds

[verbal blaze]

well i also assume at some point
peps dont care about her quill if there's small multiplier in it

well support only i guess

[foggy orchid]

I think it should atleast snapshot

it's just too bad to be true

maybe it snapshots for DoT type dmg

[verbal blaze]

wait lemme see her multiplier for one slash

[foggy orchid]

40%

around that

[verbal blaze]

maybe if she can deal like 35K or so atleast she can be a good subdps

[foggy orchid]

the numbers are kinda low and the buff easily runs out if you use her elemental burst

if i read the details correctly

her atk buff gives about 50% overall damage

and the burst does 40% every tick

the first 5-7 ticks will deal 50% more

too low for anything

either the buff snapshots or it was just made to deal nuke damage with ganyu

[verbal blaze]

this after i calculated
best scenario with extra cdm if we build her just like

25-30k is the most

giving all att%

[foggy orchid]

total or per tick?

[verbal blaze]

one slash

crowned

her burst

[foggy orchid]

well she does 3 slashes at once

[verbal blaze]

whilst the dot you know the rest 8k is the best scenario

[foggy orchid]

seeing how her animation is

[verbal blaze]

yeah once again she's niche unit

but if only

just only mhy buff her in this last week

it'd be great

[foggy orchid]

hmm

there is no per slash dmg

it's only one big damage at the start of her burst

and rest is dot dmg

well no matter how low her burst damage is, it still deals cryo damage and will quickly use all of her icy quill triggers

she won't do anything

wow actually she's more than that

"number of times the effect is triggered is calculated independently for each party member with the Icy Quill."

so if you have ganyu, shenhe, rosaria in the party all of them will get 5-7 triggers for the atk dmg bonus

[coral onyx]

The dot actually hits twice per tick so it does hit 10 times at C0 + the initial hit

doesn't make it great but it's okay as it has a big AoE for some heavy multi target

[foggy orchid]

her field animation makes it very confusing

3 slashes every 2 seconds

[coral onyx]

it's somewhat easier to look at in this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyyEY_nWAzQ
that's C6, 16 dot hits

[foggy orchid]

wow that's worse

2ticks evey 2 seconda

[coral onyx]

You want to consume the stacks fast

[foggy orchid]

You shouldn't consume the stacks

you shouldn't consume them for dmg with low multipliers

it's only 5-7 triggers and you have to cast the skill again

I can only see this being used for big dmg showcases

[coral onyx]

Quills are separated on each characters so in vast majority of team with Shenhe her burst will consume, what skill triggers the skill only matter if you have specially buffed cryo damage for it
Like if you are playing EoSF or more burst DMG% you'll want to use the quills with the burst
If you are using Shimenawa+NA DMG% buffer you'll want to use the quill with cryo infused(from chongyun E) NA

She is complex, and not just plug and play(unless you have godlike Ayaka+Anemo)
She'll recquire some setup but she will perform well at buffing cryo team dps

[foggy orchid]

So her skill buffs her burst damage by around 50% for the first 5-7 ticks

and if you have ganyu, she will also get around 50% for 2 of her charged attacks

pretty good so far

"When one Cryo DMG instance strikes multiple opponents, the effect is triggered multiple times based on the number of opponents hit."
however this is very concerning

[coral onyx]

Did you not read her whole kit?
She brings 15% cryo DMG buff,
15% burst+skill or 15% NA+CA DMG buff
15% cryo RES shred
in addition to the damage you are talking about from her direct hit and her quills

[foggy orchid]

Yeah I'm just trying to figure out how useful her main dps bonus is for the overall team

[coral onyx]

If that didn't exist this game would become literally Ayaka Impact or Cryo Impact the day of her release

[foggy orchid]

it's based on the number of hits not the number of ticks

so one ganyu charged would reset it if there were too many mobs

[coral onyx]

But you understand that it'll still ALWAYS do the damage it's supposed to do for the E if you use all the stacks right?
And that this mechanics with similar numbers that we have now without stacks limitation would be insane with Ayaka hitting 19 times in AoE with 1 button in 6sec

[foggy orchid]

I don't think I understand the first part

[coral onyx]

let's say you play Shenhe - Ayaka - Ganyu

each quills on Ayaka and ganyu gives them 10k damage

because they are big well geared

[foggy orchid]

it's like 1.5k atk

[coral onyx]

so each tap E from Shenhe if you use the quills on Ayaka and Ganyu, that's 100k damage, every E

and yes it could probably be way higher per quills with some specific setup

I agree that it doesn't multiplicatively scales in AoE, but that could still easily be one of the most damage for value as an off field support E

[foggy orchid]

but what Shenhe's skill does is it gives ATK bonus not like Kokomi's burst

[coral onyx]

Shenhe quills are mechanically like the Cinnabar weapon, ZL passive, Itto ascension def injecting
It transfuse stats into "raw damage" that then gets scaled from other characters stats BUT NOT MV

So it's not an ATK buff, at all

it's something alongside MV, that doens't care about the MV of the damage instance it's from (NA, CA, skill or burst) but it does get the CV and DMG% bonus

[foggy orchid]

Oh false advertising I guess

[sinful flume]

false advertising lmao

[foggy orchid]

In this case, she could actually be decent

I now get how she actually works

[wooden stratus]

Mhy likes thier bait chars

[coral onyx]

Basically Kazuha-Bennett is the best "core" support for any general elemental damage dealer
Shenhe-Kazuha is basically that for cryo only, has to have a big cryo(some 4* cryo could work, artifacts and teamcomp matter A LOT)

[foggy orchid]

The 82% "ATK" on her skill is really just 82% DMG not like Bennett or Sara

very misleading

[sinful flume]

how is that misleading?

[foggy orchid]

it seems to be a dmg bonus increase but what it's actually her own damage added to your cryo numbers

[coral onyx]

It's not misleading, they made a specific wording for it
"the DMG dealt is increased based on Shenhe's current ATK"

[foggy orchid]

pfft ok

[coral onyx]

similar to ZL passive, cinnabar, itto ascension, Everlasting moonglow passive

[pale root]

If it was a generic atk bump
It would be so much worse

[foggy orchid]

that's what I was wondering

she might make 4 cryo viable in some way

[coral onyx]

No, it'd be different and numbers would be different but it would scales with the NA/CA/skill/burst MV%

which would be different be not necessarily worse

[pale root]

What i mean is

[foggy orchid]

if it was applied for the current wording it would be worse

[pale root]

If it was a atk% buff
It would be a worse bennet, locked under cryo comps

On a 5*

Right now
The qills buff is 5%ish better

Than bennet buff

For either ganyu or ayaka

Single target

[foggy orchid]

her c6 with chongyun or ayaka is op

[pale root]

This was a calc i've made last week

[foggy orchid]

How much would one Icy Quill deal in damage?

[pale root]

Was assuming a 200% cdmg ganyu, proto crescent

Shenhe c0 with sig weapon

Proto Crescent r5

[foggy orchid]

12k with crit shenhe adds to the damage

This is like 60k crit for each tap skill

[pale root]

Yeah
This is disconsidering her own dmg (that shouldnt be much tbh)

I gave up midway in the calc

[coral onyx]

Did you see how much a quill was worth by itself?

[foggy orchid]

She may do double the amount when fully built but that's still nice considering it's an off field dmg

[pale root]

Its about 3.5K flat dmg to your multiplier

This is pre adding bonus dmg and crit

You do atk * skill multiplier + 3500

Then add bonus dmg and shit

But then again
That is all subjective to change

Stealth buffs/nerf on the last day

Are always possible

[foggy orchid]

they may do a ganyu move

[pale root]

Yup

If i have time i will and shenhe own dmg

To that sheet

Buffed by ganyu c1 + Q as well

[foggy orchid]

how do you make her add 3.5k

[pale root]

Sig weapon r1 fully stacked

2 remi 2 glad

Atk,atk, atk main stats on artifacts

[foggy orchid]

Oh I guess you can't boost her anymore than that

[pale root]

Yep

Outside sig weapon refinements

🐳

[foggy orchid]

yeah we still have the 15% bonus and resis shred to make up for that

not my best 5 stars

overally

I do hope she gets a buff on release

Also since her quill dmg is technically single target she will be used less in the abyss

[pale root]

The qills are in fact her biggest problem

I'm still on the fence

Will probably wait some weeks before release on to decide

[cobalt osprey]

Genshin would be much better if they did balance changes, not only to buff but also to nerf

The powercreep would be delayed by quite a lot

But that said, it would also be better if it wasnt a gacha game

[sage nymph]

Yup my thoughts exactly

[glacial fossil]

I know this is a bad idea but

If I felt like adding Shenhe to my eula team (since the 4th slot is useless for my team and im not building anyone that isnt shenhe for this team)

what should i give her?

again im not asking if its a good idea im asking what to do with her so dont say "thats bad"

ping me if you have an answer

[sage nymph]

Lmao i feel this so hard, I went into the TC thread a while ago and was like “i am running main dps childe with yunjin yes it is bad no i dont care help me make it work”

[glacial fossil]

yeah

[sage nymph]

Sadly I dont know exactly how to build Shenhe besides for that, Fav lance would probably be good for batterying eula though

[glacial fossil]

alright, thank you!!

[hallow flower]

run fav, with enough ER to funnel eula

then rest into crit / atk%

if no fav then you dont need crit

she functions like rosaria for a eula team

[coral onyx]

What are your 2 other than Eula, Diona?

[glacial fossil]

Raiden Diona

Eula/Raiden/Shenhe/Diona

[coral onyx]

With Raiden you probably can have good amount of ATK but no CV and get ER for shenhe, it doesn't look bad, Diona can use most quills and Eula a few

[glacial fossil]

WGS on eula
EL on raiden
wavebreaker's or fav on shenhe
sac bow on diona

[coral onyx]

sounds like a good Eula team

[glacial fossil]

wooo

what set?

2sr 2glad?

[coral onyx]

can't say about that though but probably 2sr 2 glad or 4eosf if you need the ER

if the quills are consumed by the burst dot they'll benefit from eosf, which should be worse than BS on freeze(and maybe also pure cryo) but you are using SC

[winter turret]

theres not much difference between ATK/Cryo/ATK and triple ATK right?

coz i got a pretty nice on set cryo goblet but if its significantly worse than atk then rip

[hallow flower]

treat them as the same

in general

[winter turret]

ok just double checking heh

thanks!

[hallow flower]

you do want the cryo carries to use the good goblet though

and give shenhe the leftover piece

[winter turret]

na it doesnt have crit stats rly but alot of atk substat lol

and shenhe doesnt need crit stats rly unless shes running fav spear no?

[hallow flower]

yeah its not a priority

but it doesnt hurt

[winter turret]

fair enough, thanks!

is there a calc for her dmg buff yet or na?

[coral onyx]

She has so many buff sources that it's too annoying to approximate, because it'll vary quite a bit depending on team comp

So don't expect an easy quick answer to that

[winter turret]

yeah thats understandable

[hallow flower]

just quills?

[winter turret]

thats what i was thinking but wouldnt quill dmg be different per character coz of crit stats n stuff?

[hallow flower]

it would be

[winter turret]

also 1 thing i was confused about

[hallow flower]

i done calcs on quill dmg if you want to look

[winter turret]

when she creates the quills, is it 5/7 for the team or 5/7 per character?

[hallow flower]

per character

[winter turret]

ahhh ok that makes alot more sense then

[winter turret]

and if you wouldnt mind could i see em pls

[hallow flower]

heres what it looks like with 4star weapons

on a very well built team

expect lower dmg of course if your crit stats are lower

the crit stats is after taking into account 4blizz and cryo resonance

[coral onyx]

Black sword Ayaka?

[winter turret]

ok seeing it like this is alot more helpful xD

[hallow flower]

i didnt use black sword there since its not f2p

[winter turret]

thank you very much

[hallow flower]

[winter turret]

how much ER do you have on that shenhe build?

[coral onyx]

oh Ayaka has that ascension for 30% NA/CA I forgot about

[hallow flower]

uh i didnt account for it

[winter turret]

fair enuf

[hallow flower]

but with that specific team

you wouldnt need much at all

3 cryo

and venti's a4 passive

[winter turret]

yeah

[hallow flower]

refunds 15 energy

[winter turret]

coz i have literally no crit stats if i wanna focus ER lol

[hallow flower]

eyeballing it, if you do 3 cryo + venti

i would expect to need 110-120 er on her

[winter turret]

roughly that yeah

guess depending on the comp is how much crit you can effectively run on her

oh well ill experiment with that stuff when she comes out lol

i dont have venti sadly so no 15 refund cri

[wooden stratus]

man i really want shen he and is probably going to pull for her but i would not have a team to put her in probably? i dont have ganyu nor ayaka

[glacial fossil]

im so hyped for shenhe

[lean flower]

Imma run Shenhe with my Kaeya for E nukes

[wooden stratus]

i was thinking that

[lean flower]

Or Chong for Q nukes

[wooden stratus]

like with either kaeya or chong?

or aloy nuke lmaao

[lean flower]

Or both

[wooden stratus]

i like playing alot tbh

aloy*

we'll see when shen comes out ig

i can sorta reliably clear abyss, still kinda need the abyss cards

[sage nymph]

Chong Q will be fucking cracked with Shenhe

He can trigger 4 quills at once all on a melt

[ripe cedar]

My drivers are all 150%-ish while Shenhe herself is at 191% but no goblet. Feels bad man
now I wonder if Cryo-built Kazuha can offset 40%-ish cdmg

[sage nymph]

Does anyone have info on how Shenhe will modify a unit's damage without Crit and cryo damage bonus?

like how much will she make a low investment diona deal?

[pale root]

Diona can shotgun with Shenhe qills
If that is your question

She can put that cryo dmg hidden stat to use

[sage nymph]

will this do significant damage? That seemed like on of the bigger perks of Shenhe, letting support units contribute to damage by spending the quills

[mystic linden]

it won't

[pale root]

I am preparing a automated sheet

On shenhe qill nonsense

I can setup diona to see

[mystic linden]

quills without damage stats deal around 3k each

[pale root]

Yeah
It adds a flat 3k

Or 3.5k on the sig weapon

But i mean its diona

If you diona is doing 3k per paw

Turning this to 7k

Its already a 100% increase

[mystic linden]

100% increase of bad damage is still bad damage

[pale root]

Sure

Never said it wasnt

* 2 is still

[pale root]

I can still do it
What stats can i expect from a diona?
1.5k atk 130% cd reasonable?
Lv12 Elemental skill?

10337 per paw

F2p shenhe (wavebreaker, atk,atk,atk, 2 glad 2 remi)

Lv90 diano with cryo goblet and 130% cdmg

Thats not insignificant dmg
Tbh

[frigid stump]

DPS diona trust

[pale root]

#believe

[pale root]

@sage nymph
Here are the calcs on paw dmg

Forgot to tag you

[sage nymph]

jesus lol

thats very silly

[pale root]

This is already with resistance and def reducing the dmg
On a lv100 enemy with 10% natural cryo res

[sage nymph]

i more meant could Diona contribute to the team's damage and get out Shenhe's quill damage even in her normal healer role

but good to know dps Diona exists

[pale root]

Those are the diona stats i've used

1500 atk
130% cdmg
Cryo goblet

No blizzard strayer, no nothing

Lv90, with lv12 elemental skill

[sage nymph]

its just that most diona's will not have that much attack or 130% crit damage lol

[pale root]

Well
I had no clue on stats
I never built a diona

I only have offensive healers

[silk oak]

1500 atk is quite alot on diona

[sage nymph]

diona with amos lol

[silk oak]

Hm 10k per paw doesnt sound bad

[vast current]

What’s the crit chance, though

If 9/10 times, you do 3500 damage per paw instead.

That’s pretty meh.

[mystic linden]

if i put my ganyu's artis and a sac bow on diona she does 6k paws + 8k quill procs

[pale root]

Non crits are 4494

[mystic linden]

so 140k with double hold E is probably the best she can get

...which isn't great

[pale root]

I mean
Dps diano will still be a meme build

But you can make a dmg per screenshot showcase

[mystic linden]

E bot kokomi can contribute 140k without quills

[pale root]

With 6hs of attempts

Or just go full dps diano on 4 blizz and near 100% cr

For maximum meme potential

Dont let your memes be dreams

[vast current]

Full EM Diano melts.

[drifting vigil]

140k comes from what

?

4ToM bonus attavk?

[potent solstice]

is there the remote possibility that quills are actually dynamic and can crit on her own?

[mystic linden]

mostly clam pops

[vast current]

This would be worse in 90% of scenarios.

[ripe cedar]

average crit is 1+(crit rate x crit dmg) no?
or it's (crit ratex x (1+cdmg) )

?

[half lily]

first

[ripe cedar]

looks kinda OK. Shenhe's quills contribute like 40% of the total rotation damage

[main delta]

decent, that's without counting into her personal damage? Dunno how the rot will work if you burst with her though

[ripe cedar]

and I skipped some things like I only use 4x hits for shenhe's burst, and doesn't count swirl damage

I think it's the first rotation, since the second rotation onwards will be without burst or diona's burst increasing kazuha's EM

what's raiden/eula's usual damage per rotation again?

[hallow flower]

on kqm substat standards?

[ripe cedar]

yeah

because that's my current substats

[hallow flower]

28k-32k dps

[ripe cedar]

Shenhe's team is not bad then

[hallow flower]

can you post the link to your sheet?

[ripe cedar]

I expect the 2nd rotation to have like 30% lower damage per rotation though

[main delta]

wait, this is pure cryo without melt?

those are some fancy numbers

[ripe cedar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lx4UQTxinkBazRp3Rcxl68yibq5i842f1xM62RO9zZA/edit?usp=sharing please check

[hallow flower]

requested access

also im not sure if that whole rotation is only 10 secs

[ripe cedar]

how do you open access again

[hallow flower]

should be a drop down box

when making the link

[ripe cedar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSAfhups7MrO34FyXbuk8n-LKJx8Uz44dKYJsaZ1ZdW1msIaH4noCe9PUX2DsVhrznwD0wbwmHO6CN2/pubhtml

can you open this

[hallow flower]

yeah but thats the html version

so no formulas or interactable cells

[ripe cedar]

fugg I'm bad at this

T_T

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lx4UQTxinkBazRp3Rcxl68yibq5i842f1xM62RO9zZA/edit?usp=sharing

wait a lil correction

not much changed tho

[hallow flower]

@ripe cedar

should be about a 13-14 sec rotation

12.6 is doing frame perfect casting

[hallow flower]

with no swap delay

[ripe cedar]

not the best comp but viable, then

and my stat is cryo kazuha to maximize the quill damage. Might be better if I just use full EM or EM/Cryo/EM

maybe it can be better

12.6 sec is lining up perfectly under chongyun's C2

[hallow flower]

yeah but execution wise i dont think 12.6 is reasonable

the more swaps the more time you have to add to account for the slight delay

[ripe cedar]

I'm counting it with 13.5

well with 15s rotation I can switch out Diona's sac bow with a DPS one

sharpshooter's oath maybe? haha

[hallow flower]

i just noticed that your crit ratios are not even

is there a reason for that?

[ripe cedar]

what do you mean not even

[hallow flower]

1 to 2

[ripe cedar]

oh I use my actual artifact number

[hallow flower]

oh, that makes it harder to compare with kqm standard dps

[ripe cedar]

I guess so

[hallow flower]

its fine that you did it, i just didnt realize that it was a personal calc

[ripe cedar]

yeah it's my "should I pull Shenhe even if I lose 50/50 or not" calc

how many useful substats kqm usually give to the characters again

[main delta]

I remember 4-5

per arti

[ripe cedar]

yeah shenhe's number per kqm standard should be a lot better than mine then, since my chongyun have 117 EM haha

damage distribution

[ripe cedar]

switching my kazuha to Iron Sting EM/EM/EM increases the total damage by 2%

maybe better with swirl calculated

[mystic linden]

is chong's infusiong used for anything there?

[main delta]

I guess if needed Shenhe can use it to proc her own quills without bursting

[ripe cedar]

for shenhe AA and C2's CD reduction

[main delta]

@ripe cedarhave you thought about calcing a c1 comp?

[ripe cedar]

I think with C1, Ayaka+Ganyu+Jean comp with all Favonius except Shenhe is viable

or Ayaka/Ganyu/Amber Sucrose

idk maybe mono cryo with diona is viable as well

since now you can have up to 40 quills at start per abyss floor

[ripe cedar]

fixed rotation and some numbers, changed kazuha to full EM, changed shenhe to atk/cryo/atk with Skyward Spine R1 to 26.8K per 15s rotation
(with Homa she got 28.4K, with ballpark Queller it's 29.2K, with Grasscutter it's 26.0K, with Favonius it's 24.1K)

Caveat : Shenhe's burst doesn't stay for the full duration, and if energy's a problem, the cryo res will be missed. Shenhe can still proc her quills under chongyun's infusion though, so it's not a very huge DPS loss. maybe 2k-ish per rotation

[glacial fossil]

i just explained

for 50 minutes

why shenhe needs

cryo users

and my friend says she wants a physical build

[ripe cedar]

lmao

Mihoyo should really delete that 15% phys res shred

I know it's there to help the teammates during rotation downtime, but still

[ripe cedar]

oh hey, Alley Flash is better by a bit here
noice

[pulsar tinsel]

What's better investment shenhe c2 or shenhe c0 + calamity?

[ripe cedar]

I think it's shenhe C2 for better burst and quill uptime (also cdmg buff)

far more expensive to reliably get it tho

[chilly hinge]

I don't think the C2 is very useful, the extra crit damage doesn't add a lot to her buffing ability

but the weapon is also kinda yikes in that its not great on other units

[pulsar tinsel]

How about 6s more burst time + c1 extra skill charge?

[chilly hinge]

we aren't sure how the C1 works exactly

like if the quills stack or not

so its hard to gauge its value

the extra duration on the shred from the burst could be useful but it really depends

[foggy orchid]

140k single target every 15s is kinda copium

she looks like the type of character who only gets good at c6

[hallow flower]

she does much more if you pair her in 3 cryo + anemo

[pale root]

The more sussy leaks we get about yae
The more i want shenhe

doomposting is real

[ripe cedar]

charged attack catalyst lmao

[main delta]

well, raiden's rerun isn't coming in 2.5 I'm getting Shenhe too

[foggy orchid]

This team could be insane for shenhe

shenhe, ganyu, kazuha, mona

[glacial fossil]

eula shenhe best team

trust

[foggy orchid]

oh

eula has crit stat so you're not wrong

Rosaria has atk% which is not very poggers

[glacial fossil]

why does crit matter?

[foggy orchid]

you mainly need crit and dmg bonus since shenhe is providing the raw dmg multiplier

[glacial fossil]

im gonna play eula shenhe diona raiden lmao

[foggy orchid]

Diona could be insane too

5 instances in one e

she also has cryo bonus from her ascensions

i feel like running venti kazuha shenhe ganyu would also do very great in damage

Cryo element will be spammed like crazy so you can't really try to do melt reactions

Freeze would be bad since you're kinda giving up on one team slot

[pale root]

I'm planning to play
Eula,Baal,Ocean Qiqi,Shenhe

[glacial fossil]

how

are you gonna battery

eula and shenhe

raiden isnt enough

[pale root]

Eula is on skyward

[glacial fossil]

oh

[pale root]

Never needed help

Even eula,baal is enough to charge her

[foggy orchid]

If you replace qiqi with diona you get a high er boost

[pale root]

Shenhe dunno yet

[foggy orchid]

esp when she uses sac bow

[pale root]

If i can kick the cat out of any comp
I will do my best for that tbh

[hallow flower]

that comp should function fine

considering rosa qiqi works already

[pale root]

My only real doubt here is shenhe ER needs

Eula,baal, qiqi is already sorted and working totally fine

[foggy orchid]

you can run shenhe with Favonius

although it will be hard to proc lol

[pale root]

Yeah

[foggy orchid]

skyward spine is pog

same with favonius but more atk

both are actually pretty good

[pale root]

I will hold my hopium that shenhe can generate good particles

[foggy orchid]

I think that's already revealed by now

nope

that video doesn't have any particles shown

the shenhe vs pyro herald

[pale root]

Ah
Yeah

We still dont know

Hold my copium then
Inhale slowly

[foggy orchid]

tho I kinda see it being 2 on press and 3 on hold

2-3 press 3-4 hold

[pale root]

Ayaka makes 4-5 on a 10s CD

Ganyu makes 4 on a 10s cd

Trust the copium

[foggy orchid]

the leakers should know by now

nice

itto does 3-4 on 10sec

[pale root]

Rose make 3 on a 6s

[foggy orchid]

its 2-3 i think

[pale root]

Yeah
But geo is known for having absolute garbo energy gen

Its geo signature

High %, Garbo energy gen

[foggy orchid]

healing also plays a major part

[pale root]

4 press, 5 hold
Believe

Ok
I'm go sleep
Too much hopium is bad for health

[foggy orchid]

How come we still don't have any confirmation to how many particles shenhe generates on e

ok

see ya

[pale root]

[hallow flower]

https://twitter.com/Ubatcha1/status/1463812445529587713?s=20

UBatcha (@Ubatcha1)

[2.4 Beta - Particle Gen]

Yunjin

Tap E - 2 Particles
Hold E - 3 Particles

Shenhe

Tap E - 3 Particles
Hold E - 4 Particles

STC with future Beta updates

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Twitter · Nov 25, 2021, 10:10 AM

[foggy orchid]

so it's a fixed number of particles?

[hallow flower]

thats all the info we have

[foggy orchid]

Oh it's pretty good for a 10-15 sec cooldown

[coral onyx]

it's actually not for the cryo 5* standard

[hallow flower]

yeah its sufficient

5 would have been really nice though

but not everyone can be ayaka

[coral onyx]

both Ayka and Ganyu do better in particules but yeah given she'll be played with other Cryo it shoud be fine

[foggy orchid]

eula is the worst of all lol

venti would come in clutch for the party's energy needs

while also doing his part of ticks

[hallow flower]

mhm

[foggy orchid]

ganyu shenhe kazuha venti

I wonder if shenhe's e dmg works off field

[hallow flower]

like the quills?

[foggy orchid]

yep

[hallow flower]

yeah they do

you drop e and rotate through everyone

[foggy orchid]

this is great

[hallow flower]

to proc them

[foggy orchid]

you mean I can just ult with kazuha and swap away?

[foggy orchid]

by that I mean if it's still possible to proc the quill dmg when I swap from a character who I just ult'ed with

[main delta]

No reason to assume otherwise, she's already niche as is I think

[pine heron]

We do actually, C1 is an additional charge. and quills do not stack, casting E twice will replace the ones you have currently with the new ones that E cast gives you

ofc its STC but doubtful it'll change on release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aU6h-iPBu4

I assume its because of how its worded, they can only exist for a certain amount of activations regardless

meaning even if technically you can gain "two different icy quill casts" you can only benefit from 7 before the whole effect goes away

as denoted by the skill cast

[wooden stratus]

I assume building shenhe for damage is worse than building yun jin for damage?

[glacial fossil]

mommy shenhe is hot tho

[ripe cedar]

nah building yunjin is worse since her stacks is tied to def and she only uses def for skill while the buff is for normal attack that scales with atk

[foggy orchid]

oh no

what are the best comps for shenhe

[ripe cedar]

hmm I wonder if it's better to use Venti instead of Kazuha in Shenhe comp for the free 15 energy

[foggy orchid]

both

[ripe cedar]

I still have to use my dps Diona lol

[foggy orchid]

diona shenhe kazuha and venti

there is also

shenhe ganyu rosaria kazuha

shenhe 15% e & q bonus - 15% resis
ganyu 20% cryo bonus
rosaria 12% crit
kazuha 40% cryo bonus, -40% resis

all 4 can use shenhe's quills

all 4 characters will start with about 32% crit and 75% cryo dmg

rosaria and ganyu's burst's are guaranteed to hit every 2 seconds

no healing tho

[spice osprey]

I'd take Chungus' cd reduction over Rosaria as far as Shenhe synergy goes

[ripe cedar]

chongyun gives you xingqiu, jean, and possibly ayato
even bennett as long as you didn't C6

[foggy orchid]

omg yes

Bennett kazuha chongun shenhe

[spice osprey]

nuclear melts

[foggy orchid]

Bennett c4 goes hard

we still need to deal cryo tho

ult with Bennett

Shenhe e then q

Kazuha q then e

chongyun q then e

Bennett 5 normal atks then e

then q

[ripe cedar]

shenhe + chongyun EM sands + bennett = fat melt

[wooden stratus]

any chance i can use keya lmao

[ripe cedar]

I wonder if Noblesse is applied before chongyun's burst hits, because if it does, then that's another free 20% atk to the off-field shenhe

[foggy orchid]

Kaeya doesn't add much to the table tbh

[wooden stratus]

sadge

[foggy orchid]

I think that's a yes

[ripe cedar]

chongyun is like the best user for noblesse

[foggy orchid]

yep

we may have cd issues with this comp

[wooden stratus]

You can still build adc yun jin with gorou

Also her aspd looks insane

hm

Idfk why shenhe cant have atks like those

[ripe cedar]

with chongyun, shenhe's tap CD is 8.5 lmao
5 stacks per character is PLENTY

FUCK FINALLY 36* ABYSS

TWO TEAM FOR ALL THE FLOORS

my 2nd half team is Chongyun, Rosaria, DPS Diona, and Kazuha

oh no now I got to continue 36*

[foggy orchid]

1- Bennett E > Q (2 seconds)
2- Shenhe E (Tap)> Q (3 seconds)
3- Chongyun Q > E (3 seconds)
4- Kazuha E > 3 AA (3 seconds)
5- Bennett 5 AA (3 seconds)
6- Bennett E > Q (2 second)

[ripe cedar]

kazuha can E then Q?

[foggy orchid]

the thing about kazuha is he won't have much energy lol

[ripe cedar]

haha true

tho I really like giving him sac sword for the energy and free C1

[foggy orchid]

It's better to build him as a dps or hybrid since shenhe's buff needs that crit

same with Bennett

it takes like 10-12 seconds for that rotation

if shenhe's buff stays off field, it would be better to use shenhe's q before her e

1.5 seconds less time

the energy for this team is really questionable

other solid team would be shenhe, ganyu, diona, kazuha

1- Shenhe E > Q
2- Kazuha Q > E
3- Ganyu Q > E
4- Diona E > Q

I would also like to point out the icy quill Shenhe triggers will be pretty much poopoo since all of her stats are full on atk stats

Chongyun is better than ganyu

15% CD reduction > 20% Cryo Bonus

1- Chongyun Q > E
2- Shenhe Q > E
3- Kazuha Q > E
4- Diona Q > E
5- Chongyun 1-2AA > Q
6- Kazuha E
7- Chongyun E
8- Kazuha 3 AA
9- Diona E
10- Shenhe E
11- Diona Q
12- Kazuha Q > E
13- Chongyun Q > E
14- Shenhe Q > E

Serpent Spine is BiS for Shenhe Chongyun

Diona Stringless

[ripe cedar]

not if you get something like this

[foggy orchid]

still tho

the circlet

and goblet

her damage will be like half of what other characters do

[ripe cedar]

actually I reached something like this

[foggy orchid]

with homa?

[ripe cedar]

yep

[foggy orchid]

Yeah I think homa is her BiS lol

she has high hp

and very much lacks crit stats

[ripe cedar]

actually I think Engulfing Lightning is better

since she WILL have some sort of energy problem

Engulfing Lightning -> Homa / Skyward / Queller

[foggy orchid]

you could say diona is necessary in her team for the heals

[ripe cedar]

Diona is necessary in her team for the SHOTGUN

sac bow makes sure that her paw is always ready for the next rotation

[foggy orchid]

with chongyun its 3 cryo users so I think their energy won't be that much of a problem

the rotation will be a huge mess ngl

[ripe cedar]

I tried chongyun/rosaria/diona/kazuha just now to finish abyss on the 2nd half

basically I just rotate to whoever who has their skill up

they're all cryo, there's no reaction trigger and all to care about

what I'm afraid now is that by the time Shenhe comes I'll be already bored with her quickswap gameplay lol

[foggy orchid]

It's indeed boring, you never get Shenhe to do normal attacks

[glacial fossil]

so

[ripe cedar]

It's quite safe tho since you get to have lots of i frame with the characters' burst

[glacial fossil]

im trying to understand how icy quills work
when you tap you get 5 and when you hold you get 7
a cryo attack activates it and it adds a quill to that attack which does more dmg depending on shenhe's atk right?

[foggy orchid]

Yep

[ripe cedar]

it inserted before dmg% and crit calculation

[foggy orchid]

the tap deals more damage overall

[ripe cedar]

so you pump shenhe with atk, and pump her teammates with dmg% and crit

[glacial fossil]

i like shenhe's kit

[ripe cedar]

you should, she's really fun

should be

lol

[foggy orchid]

This is somewhat close to what you're really going to do to fully benefit from her kit

1- Chongyun Q > E
2- Shenhe Q > E
3- Kazuha Q > E
4- Diona Q > E
5- Chongyun 1-2AA > Q
6- Kazuha E
7- Chongyun E
8- Kazuha 3 AA
9- Diona E
10- Shenhe E
11- Diona Q
12- Kazuha Q > E
13- Chongyun Q > E
14- Shenhe Q > E

[ripe cedar]

this is my plan

[foggy orchid]

did you try timing this

[ripe cedar]

someone else timed it and it's around 15s

[ripe cedar]

this one

[hallow flower]

Again i still think chong is not ideal for shenhe

[ripe cedar]

maybe it's better to use diona burst for the EM and then kazuha VV - shenhe E, Q - diona e - chongyun Q - chongyun E

[ripe cedar]

he makes the rotation too strict?

[hallow flower]

Overall he isnt really strong as a unit

His niche is quad reverse melt into forward melt on field benny

[ripe cedar]

I think it's a matter of are you against single target boss or mobs, no?
while of course ayaka and ganyu should do the best here because they have cdmg as ascension stat, and can use quills really fast, they're all energy hogs

[hallow flower]

Yeah but they do significantly more dmg

[ripe cedar]

I mean yeah

[hallow flower]

And their energy gen is actually fine

[ripe cedar]

but they're strong even without Shenhe so increasing their energy regen or crit by freezing or using Rosaria might be better for them, no? since all of their attacks will get the same buffs

[foggy orchid]

12.6 is kinda too long for her rotation

her skill is ready to use after 8.5 seconds

Chongyun's CD reduction serves little purpose here

[hallow flower]

Shenhes quills start to get good with 3 cryo

[foggy orchid]

If reducing the timing anymore may not be possible then I guess Ganyu is a better pick here

[wooden stratus]

Do u think theyll run CY on her banner lmao

[hallow flower]

Its going to be hard for rosaria to compete with the quill dmg and the buffs

[wooden stratus]

Man

I really want her but dk where im gonna even put her lmao

[foggy orchid]

Ayaka is lowkey good

[ripe cedar]

hmm

sorry lol

[foggy orchid]

just 3

but rosaria's burst also has skill damage

[ripe cedar]

so you'll want to use Shenhe's quill before Ayaka's burst, but during/after Ganyu's burst

[hallow flower]

You usually e q

[ripe cedar]

quick hits like chongyun or diona's should be after shenhe's activation, but
duration based like kaeya's burst, rosaria's burst, or ganyu's burst are done before shenhe's activation

[hallow flower]

So the e is already two hits

[ripe cedar]

I wonder if she'll be as complex as itto

[foggy orchid]

Rosaria's burst hits 2 times before before activating her lances

[ripe cedar]

yeah that's just an illustration. change it to diona's burst or kazuha's burst

[wooden stratus]

Is shen looking good for rosa

Or is she mid

[foggy orchid]

The main characters in shenhe's party are diona and kazuha

the left slot could be ganyu, rosaria, ayaka

Diona is the only healer so we can't really ditch her out

[ripe cedar]

But Diona's shield should be good enough with HP/Cryo/CDMG

[foggy orchid]

Yep it's a solid team member

Kazuha's resis shred is too good to be replaced by another cryo user

[ripe cedar]

not only that, her C6 adds 200 EM to Kazuha

having C6 Diona and Sac Sword Kazuha is like having C2 Kazuha

[foggy orchid]

Yeah right

we only have 1 slot to be picky about

[spice osprey]

But why sac sword when iron sting would finally get that elem DMG passive used?

[ripe cedar]

and his swirl helps killing the mobs since Diona/Quills will be single target

[foggy orchid]

True

[ripe cedar]

helps with his ER and just all around makes him easy to use

[foggy orchid]

Yes I prefer the em sword

The energy could be an issue tho

[ripe cedar]

the CC helps with Diona's thinner shield too

Eula lost a party member lol

Mihoyo really should make an electro healer already
I hope Shinobu will be one

will also "fix" Sucrose's XQ/Beidou taser team since they got no real healer

[hallow flower]

You can slot benny in that team

[ripe cedar]

or proto amber Lisa lol

[foggy orchid]

Would Shenhe be better with Noblesse or Emblem

[plucky jay]

why not 3 cryo dps with barbara or kokomi as healer to maximize the quills or the anemo buff is too huge?

[ripe cedar]

it's half VV being bonkers and half kazuha being bonkers as well

[foggy orchid]

and we have 4 icy quill users

[ripe cedar]

you can always slot venti in if you have energy issues

[foggy orchid]

Diona doesn't have any good weapon for this team comp

[ripe cedar]

Stringless / Sacrificial / Sharpshooter's Oath

[foggy orchid]

Stringless is good but the fact that it has a meaningless sub stat

[ripe cedar]

yeah I think Sac is the best

[foggy orchid]

sac r5 has a 16sec cooldown and her e cd is 15

You will have issues on the 3rd rotation

It's not really adding much since you need to rush through all 4 members asap in 10 seconds

[ripe cedar]

There's Elegy or Polar Star, I guess

[foggy orchid]

elegy has alot of em

[ripe cedar]

Polar Star gives 33% crit and 12% skill/burst dmg%

[foggy orchid]

Polar is the best sp far

skyward maybe 2nd

Stringless 3rd

Favonius if you have energy issues

although that's very unlikely

the electro bow is good too

4 pc blizzard

Kazuha could use Jade Cutter/Mistspliter without issues if he's on c1

4 pc vv ofc

[ripe cedar]

R5 Sharpshooter's Oath C4 Diona with Shenhe's hold E, burst and wandering troupe

• 40% less aiming time
• free crit from hitting weak spot, can stack as many as you want
• cdmg starts with 50% (base) +62% (circlet) +47% (SO) = 159% cdmg
• 15% (shenhe hold) + 48% (sharpshooter) + 35% (WT) + 46% (goblet) 24% (ascension) = 168% damage bonus

[foggy orchid]

Bow charged attacks are very time consuming tho

[ripe cedar]

oh wait it's reduced by 60%

on her own burst

https://youtu.be/pCBL7dChBlg?t=61

[foggy orchid]

some bosses dong have weak spots

each charged takes like .8 seconds

[ripe cedar]

i kno, it's a memey build haha

[foggy orchid]

it appears that way

4th slot
Ayaka quickly consumes all stacks with just 2 AA and 1 charged
Burst is a bonus dmg
Has 40%Crit DMG

Ganyu has a never ending burst with 20% cryo bonus and a trap to center enemies
Has 40%Crit DMG

Rosaria is able to consume all stacks with her skill and burst dmg
Adds 10-15% CRIT to the whole team

Rosaria does 2 hits with skill, 2 with burst and lance dmg

[ripe cedar]

I'd use Rosaria just for Deathmatch

[foggy orchid]

It's very nice on her

Meanwhile ganyu doesn't have a good weapon, just like diona

[ripe cedar]

Ayaka too, her best weapon is another 5*

I really like Chongyun because Serpent Spine exists

[foggy orchid]

Ayaka has Jade Cutter, Mist and the dark sword is also very great for her AA

black sword I mean

However on tap she doesn't get the 15% AA Bonus from shenhe

It would be best to start with the burst and e damage

That is if you don't use the black sword

Chongyun with SS is good aswell

Ayaka could be the best here dps wise

[ripe cedar]

ayaka against single target
ganyu against mobs

[foggy orchid]

I don't have ayaka rip

Sticking with my ganyu

Ganyu x Shenhe is pog lore wise

Focusing too much on Shenhe's Icy Quills may not give you the best dps results

Missing few seconds to do a charged attack or 2 with ganyu might actually give a better dps

It's really complicated at this point, better to wait for her release so testing will be much easier

[ionic sparrow]

ganyu shenhe team comps

[oak tide]

I wish I had a million catalyst prototypes so I could make an r5 proto amber for healer mona

[silk oak]

Just get kokomi