Shenhe Thread

[sour oriole]

there is math for maxed out E potential

@oak tide where is ur sheet

[oak tide]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15SKqe3fdVtLpNkfdHmSDv6dOuyTggJe3oOd3nLKSchU/edit#gid=715219618

[sour oriole]

and Raikh's number is p close to that as well ^

so E does look pretty strong in a cryo comp

but her kit is still lopsided

[oak tide]

it's worth the slot in a cryo comp

looks like fischl tier imo

is it worth the primogems though

[sour oriole]

let's not get there

[pale root]

is this on 4 glad?

[sour oriole]

and just talk about the math

[pale root]

why not 2 glad 2 remi?

extra 18% doesnt hurt

[oak tide]

this is 2blizz 2 glad

[pale root]

oh blizz

ok

[stark niche]

maybe we should pin this?
Also her E seems really good rn, but witch character would it be good with?
Eula probably not, it would only buff her NA. Shenhe can't buff all hits from Ayaka's Q.
Ganyu maybe? I think we have an important question to answer first: does it keep the effect with snapshot?
Like, if Ganyu or rosaria press Q with do you keep the buff for all attacks?

[oak tide]

ganyu or ayaka for sure

[stark niche]

But ayaka's Q snapshot?

[pale root]

by the way its written, i dont think this buff will snapshot

if it does, and consumes only "1" on like. Ganyu Q

suddenly, this looks broken

[untold stirrup]

if it buffs all of ayaka's q its gonna be stupid broken

[pale root]

this looks like a proc that cares about the dmg being inflicted

like, using a cryo atk on a shielded character

might not consume the stack

[stark niche]

yeah, but I think we are on hard spot:
If it snapshot, it will be broken.
If not, it will be nice, but idk how useful it is. Few character can make use of it in single target and you would want to use it to nuke in AoE

[pale root]

the biggest value targets, today are like

Ganyu CA and Ayaka E

feelsbadman

[oak tide]

it looks like mona's damage boost on burst and access to freeze makes up for losing a cryo unit

[pale root]

hmmm

Ganyu, Shenhe, Mona (Proto Amber), Venti

wait... does Venti swirling cryo, is considered doing cryo dmg?

[oak tide]

yes

[pale root]

can venti use the stacks?

[oak tide]

I'm assuming it can

it's non-reaction cryo damage after all

[pale root]

now we are talking

[oak tide]

he just doesn't have as much cryo dmg% scaling

and you would have to build him crit to take advantage of it

[pale root]

thats totally fine, tbh

[untold stirrup]

can you do ayaka mona rosaria kazuha

[stark niche]

ohh right, I forgot Ayaka's E
But Ganyu CA is kinda weird too. Like would it buff Venti's/Xiangling Q when you are using Ganyu? does if affect only the active character?

[untold stirrup]

wait i meant shenhe instead of rosaria

[pale root]

Inc, Cryo goblet venti

[oak tide]

the character don't really change the sheet much

[untold stirrup]

i see

[pale root]

EM, Cryo goblet, EM

all-in on the cryo swirls

shenhe-boosted

[oak tide]

it's mostly how much crit value and cryo dmg% the character has

ayaka and ganyu are pretty similar

[untold stirrup]

yeah so the hit limit really isnt something to be bothered of it doesnt matter if ur using ayaka or ganyu

[sour oriole]

it would be interesting to see if cryo shred from Shenhe actually displaces units like Venti or Kazuha from Morgana, and creates a new variation

[pale root]

if we are talking Ganyu C1 + Shenhe

its already 30% cryo shred

might not actually need the anemo anymore

[sour oriole]

but ig u can't really replace Venti or Kazuha grouping

unless it's bosses or ST

[untold stirrup]

what if you play her in reverse melt

[oak tide]

on the contrary, cryo infused anemo synergizes with shenhe

[pale root]

i just think that for Ganyu
Venti grouping boost too much of her Q

on most non-boss floors

what can happen is that

Shenhe enables venti to be free of VV

and run 4 emblem

or i'm going too deep on that?

[oak tide]

-20% res is still -20% res

[verbal blaze]

so, now its not morgana rather than morgahe?

[pale root]

this names are getting out of hand

it feels international/rational all over again

[stark niche]

only if her buff is snapshot-able tho, right?

[pale root]

mostly, we breath so we cope

[wooden stratus]

is shenhe looking good atm?

[oak tide]

her teams are narrow but she seems viable

[pale root]

tbh, everything can change in the betatests

Raiden got like 35 buffs

[wooden stratus]

yeah, its too early ig

[sour oriole]

that's why im not doing any calcs rn

way way too early

Itto leaks were fine, the kit was coherent

Raiden as well

[pale root]

I mean, if she is already viable this early, she will be broken on release

[sour oriole]

Shenhe I have no clue

[stark niche]

It will be so good if her buff is snapshot-able.
but much hard to use if not snapshot

[wooden stratus]

what are the teams haha

[oak tide]

mono cryo or freeze

huh, would diona's E proc all 5 of shenhe's plumes at once?

nuke diona build

[stark niche]

yeah, how her buff works is really weird, there is tons of questions to answer

[pale root]

dps diano

[stark niche]

probably

[lapis crow]

A4 or Icy Quill?

[stark niche]

Icy quill

[lapis crow]

no, it wouldn't snapshot

[pale root]

Apply Bennett strong pyro
Shenhe E, Diano on top of benny buff
E

Masanori deleted from existence

[verbal blaze]

but hey remember when raiden was so much hyped and i didn't even look at theorycraft or const
after what happened bout mhy change the description in c2
as i saw it... i was ilke demn i need to pull for her biggest change in c2

and now i have a feeling in shenhe

[pale root]

Mihoyo seens to have learned from Raiden

Shenhe C2 does looks juicy

but not as gamebreaking as raiden's

[stark niche]

tbh, reverse melt with Kaeya or Rosaria would be good too. Rosarias E and Kaeya E can hit a lot.

and you would get like 1k atk with Bennett + 1.5k with Shenhe

[sour oriole]

it's pretty underwhelming for a 5* cons

like less than 10% DPS increase

[lapis crow]

Shenhe doesn't buff like that

[stark niche]

like what?

[pale root]

her buff is not atk buff

[lapis crow]

^

[pale root]

its a flat dmg, added to the MV

(assumed at least)

[lapis crow]

^^

@stark niche ^ and also why it shouldn't snapshot

[untold stirrup]

its per hit not per attack it wouldnt snapshot

[stark niche]

so, she buffs an atk by around 1.5k dmg, and this dmg can be increase by %dmg of the active character?

[untold stirrup]

and crit yes

[stark niche]

seems underwhelming then? kinda doesn't matter what you will want to buff it then. only need to worry about if it will melt/vape or not

[untold stirrup]

well is the cryo dmg that procs it melt or vape or not

[heady mulch]

Idk if i dont understand her kit but atm she seems kinda niche and a little bit underwhelming to me

[stark niche]

so for Ayaka she will give like 25% dmg + 15% res shred
And for Eula she will give 15% dmg + 15% res shred

[untold stirrup]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15SKqe3fdVtLpNkfdHmSDv6dOuyTggJe3oOd3nLKSchU/edit#gid=715219618 you can just look at this for the amount of dmg she can give

[stark niche]

wait, the plume dmg is cryo?

[untold stirrup]

ok so lets say with her e active, a character deals 6000 base cryo damage, shenhe can add 3000 base cryo dmg making it 9000

thats how it works its not a separate damage instance it just adds on top of your attack

[strong oak]

Current assumption is that it works like added MV from sources like ZL A4 and Redhorn Passive. Just that in this case the ATK for the MV is taken from Shenhe, whereas other modifiers are taken from the unit proccing it

[untold stirrup]

exactly

[stark niche]

ok. So it is kinda good then.
let me see if I got it right then.
if shenhe have 2k atk, the base cryo dmg would be 1535.
If ganyu has 200% crit dmg and 66% elemental dmg, the shenhe buff dmg would be 7644,3
It can proc from 5 to 7 times
7644,3 * 5 = 38221,5
7644,3 * 7 = 53510,1
but no AoE, just single target
seems pretty good now

[strong oak]

On a crit in this case, yeah assuming the 66% is cryo dmg. But you still need to apply DEF and RES. So 7644 * 0.5 * 0.9 for no shred at all or 7644 * 0.5 * 1.225 for VV shred + Shenhe shred

Its also interesting that every character gets their individual Quills

[stark niche]

so with shreds it would be:
4681,95 * 5 = 23409,75
4681,95 * 7 = 32773,65

[sour oriole]

okay so after looking at her kit again Shenhe is actually pretty good

her cons are really strong

[pliant solar]

I woke up wat yall find

[pale root]

Shenhe good in mono cryo and permafrost

[sour oriole]

^

C1 essentially doubles your E procs

[pale root]

if the Ganyu/Shenhe comps is not called CloudRetainer Kids, i'd be mad

[stark niche]

wait, like each character get 5 or 7 quills?
so 5*4 characters are like 20 quills?

[pliant solar]

Yea her cons are strong

All of them

[sour oriole]

C4 with Ganyu and Venti is around 100% increase on E damage

[untold stirrup]

yes

[strong oak]

If all those characters can do Cryo dmg yes

[pliant solar]

But c0 tho

[strong oak]

Praise ADC Venti with a crit absorbed Q

[sour oriole]

C0 is still okayish

some support, decent damage

doesnt work that well with Eula

which causes people to mald

[pale root]

i'm still here with my copium that
Ganyu C1 + Shenhe Q is already shred enough to justify Venti running Emblem even

[sour oriole]

i will sheet Shenhe C1 if I have time

[strong oak]

She mgiht work decently with Eula tbh. Not as good as in Freeze but Rosa for instance isn't exactly a high bar to beat in that Team

[sour oriole]

but from mental math C0 is around 300k DPR at best scenario

and C1 u double her E DPR

[woeful anchor]

I wonder what her er req will be in a freeze comp

[strong oak]

E Q Hold E is 5 cryo dmg instances

[pliant solar]

Hmmm

[sour oriole]

C6 Rosa brings a lot for Eula, like a lot

[pale root]

i think she is totally fine in Eula,Baal comps, not really because of Qills, but because of everything else

[sour oriole]

yeah that's her secondary design

[strong oak]

20% Phys Shred or which Shenhe brings 15%

[sour oriole]

crit share, Fav Rosaria

[pale root]

Shenhe adds 15% burst dmg bonus on top of the phys shred, thats the deal breaker, imo

[pliant solar]

Problem is u also need to battery her if she stays 80 cost

[pale root]

you dont, Baal is in the team

[pliant solar]

10/15cd on e is pretty long

[strong oak]

energy might be the larger concern, yeah

[stark niche]

So, a confy team rn to maximise quill dmg would be Ayaka/Ganyu/Rosaria/Kaeya, Shenhe, Kazuha and Sayu (for heals)

[pliant solar]

Not in eula

In freeze

[strong oak]

outside of Raiden iterations

[pale root]

ah yeah

in freeze, yeah

[sour oriole]

it's measly for Eula comps, where u slot in things like Raiden, or even Fischl for SC

[pale root]

unless Venti-nado is forced to cryo

+15 free energy

[wooden stratus]

u guys think there will be adjustment on the multipliers>?

[sour oriole]

i mean im not saying it's bad

Shenhe Eula can work

but people tend to think that Eula is just Eula Raiden

but Eula uses alot more units that most people think

Eula C6 more so

[strong oak]

C1 doesn't actually double her E dmg. Charges still cool down separately. You also have to find a rotation to even fit and use these additional procs

[pale root]

Shenhe E buff wont help Eula, the phys shred + burst dmg buff will

[pliant solar]

I need to see her q hitting things but this doesnt look very much like "mist" from the rumors

If the mvs are that low on dot surely it cant be only the couple swipes from the ghost

[sour oriole]

I thought about that, even with Chongyun CDR, even thought about mainDPS Shenhe. For initial rotation she gets 1 more E

Ganyu Venti is perfect for her C1

aaannnd guess what's Ganyu Venti is good for, her C4

loads up the stacks for her E

[untold stirrup]

i think her q mv is low bcs she gets extra mv from e anyway

[pliant solar]

More strong c1 and c2s zzz

Maybe yea

At first glance its real low

[sour oriole]

which is weird, and we are not used to it

[pale root]

i mean, even post C2
her MVs just get... average

i'm pretty sure some % will change

[pliant solar]

C1 lets u full double buff uptime

C2 adding 6s to ult

[strong oak]

If it can be triggered off-field, yeah

[sour oriole]

abusing her E plumes seems to be Shenhe's cons gameplan i think

instead of her plain MV

[pale root]

god dammit mihoyo
releasing a character that looks simpler on the surface, but fuuuuuuuck

[strong oak]

Definitely with a cracked enough Freeze Unit I already have ATK/ATK/ATK edging out on ATK/Cryo/Crit for her overall personal damage

[untold stirrup]

honestly i think she only needs the aoe limiter to be removed and she becomes top tier

[sour oriole]

just get C6

[pliant solar]

Just when i thought i can ditch ganyu

[sour oriole]

her C6 umm idk how that works really, it's interesting

[pale root]

just get Ganyu C6, Shenhe C6

problem solved

[strong oak]

If Ayaka CA can trigger 3 Quills at once that would be funny

[pliant solar]

Her c6 is na ca doesnt consume stacks

[sour oriole]

C6 = permabuff on autos

[pliant solar]

So your ganyu ayaka ca spam kinda monkas

[pale root]

Not only autos, CA as well

[timber kiln]

c6? both

[pale root]

gotta have synergy with her sister

[pliant solar]

But at the same time if youre that rich what the fuck lives past the ayaka q

Lmao

[strong oak]

Classic non-nuke C6 issue

[sour oriole]

Ganyu CA doesnt benefit as much

[untold stirrup]

c6 shenhe cryo keqing is the way

[sour oriole]

Ayaka or Chong infused Shenhe would be funny with C6

also i just remembered Ayaka's 298% CA multiplier on her C6

what if that works with Shenhe's

[pliant solar]

Wait

It says na ca doesnt consume

But your q does

[pale root]

yep

[pliant solar]

So youre left with none if u burst first?

[strong oak]

Should work if its the added MV as assumed

[sour oriole]

Ayaka C6 added MV?

idek even know how Ayaka C6 works

[pale root]

tbh, if you have a Ayaka c6, you dont really need to think much

[pliant solar]

Unless buffed na ca still works with 0 stacks as long as youre within the e buff duration

[sour oriole]

Ayaka also good at stacking her C4

[pale root]

you Q, and you go to the next floor

[sour oriole]

true true

[sour oriole]

a fair assumption would be you would need at least 1 buff left

[strong oak]

No, I mean Shenhe. If the Quills are added MV then they also count as whatever dmg source procced them

[sour oriole]

but with her C1 u dont need to worry about that ig

[sour oriole]

yeah just wondering how the multipliers work

[pliant solar]

Ah true

Tap e into ayakq then hold and ca spam

[pale root]

now we just need sac spear

[strong oak]

Ayaka C6 is CA dmg%

[sour oriole]

[strong oak]

So would affect the Quills procced by the CA under current assumptions

[pliant solar]

This makes me wanna build rev melt aloy

Lmao

For the q

[sour oriole]

also re: Eula - Shenhe, my feelscrafting says Shenhe will come out slightly better than C6 Rosaria, no idea energy wise

energy is already very tight for Eula

and u have Shenhe to worry about, instead of Rosaria

[strong oak]

Gotta wait for particle gen I guess. Shenhe alos gets away easier with stacking ER than Rosa

[pale root]

hear me out here
what if we double electro? with Eula, Shenhe

[strong oak]

since Quills don't care about Shenhe's crit as much

[sour oriole]

but no 4k ATK? that's cringe

[strong oak]

You can always get 2 EoSF and just get ATK Mainstats with ER Subs

[pale root]

Eula, Shenhe, Raiden, Proto Amber Lisa on the healer slot

[sour oriole]

once u start talking electro, ur dragging Raiden into the whole thing. If it's Raiden, it's Raiden Eula comp

[pale root]

can be fischl in the raiden slot, i guess

to not turn into eula,baal

[sour oriole]

and if ur dragging Raiden and electro and what not

u lose more and more cryo slot

Shenhe loses more and more value

[pale root]

yeah...

[sour oriole]

yes eru now go marry an oil prince

[strong oak]

She still feels kinda tame for how specialized she is. Gotta see what happens over the Beta

[sour oriole]

i take back what I said about Shenhe-Eula, cos I took off my it's my either Shenhe or Rosaria glasses

triple cryo comp Eula-Shenhe-Rosaria

phys shred comp Eula-Shenhe-Rosaria

@strong oak do u know how Ganyu/Venti quadratic calcs work?

[pliant solar]

Yea im not too sold for how specalized she is

But ngl ill probably still pull just for looks

[sour oriole]

i feel the same way

[pliant solar]

Fell into mhys trap

[sour oriole]

collector character

[strong oak]

Should be Icicles * number of targets per target up to 5 for as long as Venti Q lasts

[sour oriole]

ok just simply * of icicle spawn up to 5 during duration

per target

[strong oak]

Yep

If you have 3 targets each target gets 3 icicles hit per 1.5s during Venti Q

not sure about the consistency past Venti Q

[sour oriole]

what about large targets

[sour oriole]

i'll go with this

[strong oak]

Morgana vs large targets tends to be a bit more sus in general

But if they stand close enough together technically they should still get quadratic dmg

But I don't know how large the icicle AoE is

Never really looked into Morgana specifcs

[sour oriole]

Isu explained this a long time ago

i forgot the specifics

[strong oak]

Don't even have Mona to play it

[sour oriole]

it has its own algorithm

something something nearest first

up to 5

[strong oak]

Ganyu Q mechanics in itself

were up to 15 Icicles per wave. 10 randomly distributed across the AoE of her Q and 1 on top of each enemy inside up to 5 iirc

smth like that

[sour oriole]

anyways i doubt i will make a sheet soon, im just too busy

but not too invested in Shenhe, although she looks fun, i will pull C0 maybe

i dont like things like how she borrows Kaz animation a lot

vanilla CA

Yunjin Q and her E is copy paste

MHY low effort

[strong oak]

I'm basically just TCing her out of curiosity

[pliant solar]

I like the effects ngl

[strong oak]

her kit doesn't really scream must have for me personally

[pliant solar]

Shes not very innovative gameplay wise

[sour oriole]

effects is good but I can't unsee that her talisman is Kaz's leaves

[pliant solar]

Just some flashy moves with a bunch of number buffs stacked on

Probably a char u drop faster than others

[sour oriole]

maybe if her VA and animation blends into a really good package

[pliant solar]

Especially when u stop running freeze etc

Probably an overworld char for me

[sour oriole]

cryo is just so damn overcrowded

[pliant solar]

Cause i do like looking

Put raiden

[strong oak]

I also don't like a hyper specialized 5* that doesn't feel like a bombshell for her niche. Like even if she turns out BiS, which is a hard call with Ayaka+Ganyu being a thing, I don't see her being overwhelmingly ahead of the competition

[pliant solar]

Go sc and smack overworld mobs

[sour oriole]

i was expecting her to be Bis for Eula

i mean it's still possible cos we dont have calcs

but what margin tho

like 10% more BiS? eh no thx

[pliant solar]

Its overcrowded and honestly ayaka ganyu doesnt really need a specalised support when their teams are so good already

[sour oriole]

i like how MHY is not trying to do powercreep

but this 10% more dance is ehhh

good for new players i guess

[strong oak]

If even and then we already have Eula+Raiden Comps and also Clam Qiqi further increasing her pool of options

[sour oriole]

doesnt mean she's a bad unit

[pliant solar]

They did another waifu dirty

[sour oriole]

if im a new player looking for a cryo unit

I'd pull

Eula-Shenhe

skip Geo

or do the other way

go full Geo and skip cryo

[strong oak]

I'd be fine with a 10% Team increase if its a unit like Kaz that has a wide array of applications

I don't think Shenhe is bad current standings

but she feels more like an Albedo than a Kazuha

[sour oriole]

hmm her quills and Albedo E is good comparison actually

[pliant solar]

Oh jesus and shes a pretty pure support too i can imagine reddit screaming already

[strong oak]

I also have them at similar DPR with a single cracked unit using Quills.

Geo Reso Albedo that is

not Furry Albedo

[sour oriole]

anyways enough TC for me, looking for the next round of info/changes/buffs

dont think im gonna sheet now, kinda satisfied

[pliant solar]

Dont think theres much left to look at

Might as well wait for changes

[sour oriole]

u need to still properly sheet

or

rely on other ppl's calc

[strong oak]

I guess I will look into Yunjin later, haven't done a preliminary sheet for her yet. And then back to working on my Itto stuff for his release

[pliant solar]

Im wondering what kinda asumptions u would make for the stacks

I guess like 3 targets for abyss?

[sour oriole]

buff stacks?

[pliant solar]

Yea

[sour oriole]

it will ignore target amount

it's locked to 5/7 procs

so if u hit 5 enemies in one swing

all buff consumed

[pliant solar]

Yea its per enemy

[sour oriole]

per character

[strong oak]

For Calcs you can just assume its ST dmg

as long as you would consume all Stacks with a single enemy

[pliant solar]

im still a little disappointed so far

[strong oak]

I'm a little bit, too. Although I don't mind too much either. I hoped she'd either be more or less gamechanging in a niche or more universal as a Sub DPS/Support. Now she looks good but not outstanding to me.
In case of doubt I can just save when a true bombshell of a unit arrives inevitably. Or simply one that plays more to my preferred Teams

[pliant solar]

Personally i wanted a cryo subdps or quckswap that focuses more on melt but oh well

Cant complain too much only thing i can do is skip

Once i got a taste of transformatives at its peak freeze and amps dont tickle as much anymore

[twilit trench]

O

I'm up

How we doin

[iron ruin]

at first glance i was interested in her e skill buff but the cd / uptime compared to value ratio seems kind of... just ok

[cerulean pagoda]

I'm a bit confused with the E. Does she get a cryo infusion? Is it like chonyun where the active character gains a cryo infusion? Or is it just neither of those?

[median isle]

i just hope the tap e targeting wont be as scuffed as xiao's

[twilit trench]

Whenever she uses her e she gives stacks your party members

5 OR 7 stacks depending if you press or hold

Press let's you dash forward, deal cryo damage and give 5 stacks to each member of your team

Hold let's you deal AoE cryo damage around you and give 7 stacks to each member of your team

Whenever a character does cryo damage, one stack is consumed and that attack damage will be increased by a percentage of shenhe's atk

[dark sluice]

does her buff apply to herself or are we unsure?

[twilit trench]

It does

[dark sluice]

oh sick

[twilit trench]

(Probably)

[dark sluice]

i hope so </3

[cerulean pagoda]

But it doesnt specify if its an infusion

[twilit trench]

It's not an infusion

It doesn't convert your Normal attacks to cryo or anything

It's just a team buff

[cerulean pagoda]

Hmm so if she's being ran as a carry then the E buff is just simply going on her ult's dmg

[dark sluice]

so for her, you kinda want someone who can do consistent cryo dmg to utilize those stacks, like ganyu, a cryo catalyst, or rosaria whos got a quick e cd/kaeya etc?

[twilit trench]

She's not gonna be viable as a carry if you plan on running her on field

She's basically locked to the support role

[dark sluice]

or chongyun or something but that feels like it would be too much

[cerulean pagoda]

yeah feels very rosaria-ey

[twilit trench]

Nah, you wanna stack as much attack as possible

Meaning atk/atk/atk

Or er/atk/atk if you have troubles getting up q

[twilit trench]

The stacks CANNOT proc off field

[dark sluice]

oh i meant in the sense that like
its not worth rebuilding a whole bunch to try to manhandle the capabilities, to instead just use rosaria

oh yeah i know

[cerulean pagoda]

Potential to replace diona in morgana if she has good particles

[dark sluice]

kaeya e and rosaria e are just quick asf cooldowns from what i remember

[verbal blaze]

but hey, looking at its cons.... can we also agree that it has demand cons rather than a broken one low cons like kazoo?
i mean if it comes to cryo buff only
rather universal like kazoo

[twilit trench]

Yeah but her e is really yikes to be honest

Multiple stacks are consumed if you hit multiple enemies

She only provides 5/7

[cerulean pagoda]

Hm right

[verbal blaze]

in that case all we hope is sacr polearm, but idk
mhy wont release it soon or never

[twilit trench]

Yeah..

Shenhe really isn't looking too good atm

She might get buffs in the beta though

[cerulean pagoda]

Yeah

I hope she does

[twilit trench]

Her damage is pretty mid as well

[earnest kestrel]

She buffs Xiao’s plunges correct?

[twilit trench]

No

Only cryo attacks

Etc Kazuha Q absorbing cryo

Is counted as cryo dmg

[verbal blaze]

is it like very similar with rosa but she didnt buff cryo only

but all of em

in crt ofc

[twilit trench]

False

[earnest kestrel]

Where does it mention that it’s limited to cryo? The passive says general.

[twilit trench]

Shenhe is the one that only buffs cryo

[oak tide]

her additional damage quills on E only proc on cryo damage

the rest of her bonuses are universal

[twilit trench]

Only procs when cryo damage is dealt

Doesn't work on Xiao plunge

[twilit trench]

The rest of her bonuses are pretty mid to be honest

[oak tide]

imagine if xiao infused an element for his entire burst duration

yeah the rest of her bonuses aren't that big

but she does have a bunch of em

[twilit trench]

15% phys shred and cryo shred, 15% cdmg to cryo damage, and 10% burst/skill damage buff or 15% na/CA buff

Most of her stuff is limited to cryo

[verbal blaze]

no, i mean. Rosa buff the crt rate for the entire team
and shenhe is only for buff cryo

[twilit trench]

Rosaria buffs cv more than shenhe

And it's universal not just cryo dmg

[oak tide]

rosaria's kicked out of cryo teams

[verbal blaze]

ahhh yess.... man i think we can agree that we are bit disappointed
hope there will be more buff inbe4 release

[oak tide]

unless you run rosaria and shenhe together

[verbal blaze]

[oak tide]

rosaria gets to support eula/raiden still

[earnest kestrel]

Rosaria is still good with her 15% CR and short 6 sec cd on ele skill

[twilit trench]

Shen will be better on cryo teams probably

Rosaria is still good for eula raiden

[untold stirrup]

i just thought of something

wouldnt shenhe be good on melt ganyu with kazuha

so ganyu shenhe kazuha bennett

or would shenhe mess the melt

[twilit trench]

Ur not using shenhe q there

Might work

The question is if it's better than other options

[untold stirrup]

what even is the other option its just zhongli

but this is probably way more damage than anyone ever needs

[desert locust]

idk if its better than xl, for dmg.

ill never change zhongli tho personally

just wish dendro archon is defensive as well, to change zhongli in ganyu kazooka

btw how much total atk shenhe can reach with her r1 bis at most?

unbuffed

[half lily]

Solo and with her own polearm she'd get 2381 ATK when the polearm reaches max stacks and she's off field. I only went with 2x ATK% subs and 2x flat ATK subs (kqm standard).

with ADC artis

[pale root]

Did you guys see the new translation? (Dim pickup on the beta files)

The qill buff is stated as dmg bonus %

So shenhe is like a superversion of Mona? Instead of adding flat mv

[untold stirrup]

no its still like before

look at the description

[pale root]

I just woke up and read before coffee

You'te right

[sour oriole]

dont worry i did it too this morning

[desert locust]

does Icy Quill bonus dmg affects on-field character only or off-field character as well? as long as theyre doing cryo dmg.

[gaunt hedge]

How is shenhe's Particle regen?

[pale root]

press 3
Hold 4

10/15s cd

[jagged wedge]

What i understood from the text is that it can proc off-field, as long as Cryo dmg

[desert locust]

isnt the 5/7 limit gonna waste on her burst tick instead? 7 limit kinda small imo.

[jagged wedge]

It's seperate per char in the party

[desert locust]

oh each char get 7 limit?

[jagged wedge]

Everyone gets the buff but only procc when they do Cryo dmg

[desert locust]

thats fine if its like that then.

cryo mono

[tardy ravine]

Is shenhe basically a buff to melt ganyu at single target? Sorry i dont understand how she works lol

Like ganyu shenhe benett kazuha?

[pale root]

Shenhe adds flat MV on top of ganyu multipliers basically

Not % itself

You calc the Ganyu atk * CA multiplier

Take that value (before cryo dmg/crit dmg/ enemy res)

And slap a flat value

Then procede the dmg calcs

[tardy ravine]

Ohhh ok thanks

[indigo lodge]

Is the flat value from shenhe buffs affected by damage bonuses and crit damage, and enemy resistances?

[pale root]

It added to the calcs
So its affected by whatever would affect the source

Doesnt add any extra resistances to the calc though

[indigo lodge]

Sorry, what do you mean by 'Doesnt add any extra resistances to the calc though'?

If its flat mv it's still affected by enemy def and res right?

[scenic lily]

i asked yesterday with not much response so i'll ask again, is shenhe a cryo or physical dps? or is she more of a support?

[empty coral]

support for cryo currently may be her best role

[wooden stratus]

she can do a lot of things, but she'll be at her best when u pair her with a cryo dps. get ganyu or ayaya from reruns. OR wait a few weeks for shenhe raw hit numbers

[pale root]

What i meant is that
With or without shenhe buff
The resistances you will have to face are the same

Like a 14k base ganyu CA vs all the resistance *0.5 and all that jazz

Or a 14k base ganyu CA +7k flat Shenhe boost

Will face the same 0.5 res and def and stuff

It doesnt add any extra resistances to the calc

It Will still get affected by res
Just not add more res

[indigo lodge]

Okay got it. Thank you!

[compact sundial]

any projected good artifact set for shenhe or shes just a substat hoarder for dps / subdps ?

[woeful anchor]

2 pc glad 2 pc shime if you want to load up on attk I guess

[floral jay]

Deez.

[pliant solar]

nuts

[floral jay]

Who?

[broken berry]

agreed

[floral jay]

I like sitri tldr

[torpid perch]

Ok so shenhe is chongyun support thanks I solved it goodbye

[floral jay]

Very informative tbh

[floral jay]

Shenhe permafreeze cheld

[cobalt berry]

is it worth leveling wavebreaker’s fin for shenhe?

[torpid perch]

Possibly

[burnt marsh]

one interesting thing i thought about is if u use ventis burst and infuse cryo, u can actually use shenhes 7 hits lmao

[torpid perch]

It does have high base

But she probably won’t take advantage of passive much

[cobalt berry]

true

i feel like she doesn’t really utilize any 4* weapon passives very well at all

[pale root]

Her ult Will tic enough times to use at least

[torpid perch]

Her ult isn’t a significant portion of damage if you build her as support

Cuz you’re doing triple attack

It’s not as bad cuz you’re playing freeze

[pale root]

I mean
Her dmg doesnt seen significant anywhere

[torpid perch]

Which actually likes ATK% more than other units/comps

[woeful anchor]

quick swap freeze seems to be the way to go

[cobalt berry]

potentially good ayaka support is what i’m hearing right

[burnt marsh]

i think building her for personal damage might actually be better

[woeful anchor]

idk how the energy economy will work with ayaka

unless you dont care about shenhes burst

[cobalt berry]

hmm true they would both need a lot of energy

[woeful anchor]

rosaria shenhe anemo hydro could be good

[pale root]

I'm on board with
Ganyu, shenhe, mona(proto amber), venti setup tbh

[woeful anchor]

just spam all their skills and burn through quills

[floral jay]

Do

I really have to pull for ayaka and ganyu to play with shenhe

Kaeya, take it or leave it

[woeful anchor]

nah

[floral jay]

[burnt marsh]

chongyun

[woeful anchor]

melt chong>

[floral jay]

I felt like mihoyo intend to make them both work together

[woeful anchor]

chong was my first thought but it would be nice to have every member be able to exploit quills

[pliant solar]

cryo keqing

[untold stirrup]

no

you literally just need anyone with cryo dmg bonus and decent crit to do some cryo dmg

and her performance would be the same

[vast nacelle]

Any discussion on her C4? It said 50 stacks which means with her c1 you hold E 2 times to get 14 stacks for each character so 56 possible quill stacks across 4 characters. If it doesn't work this way the constellations don't make sense.

[spare harness]

what 4* weapon could be good ?

bc other than her signature weapon I don't find any other that could be good on her

[strong oak]

Wavebreaker and Lithic Spear,

[spare harness]

yeah that's what I thought

sadly I don't have both

[strange cliff]

Ok so

What do we know about her Q ticks/ frequency

[hallow flower]

i forgot we had a thread for this, il just drop this here

getting two ayaka n1ca's per shenhe e might be too tight for 20sec rotations

[strong oak]

Shenhe value increasing by almost 50% just bc everyone gets their 5* weapon

[hallow flower]

i can already see people disagreeing on her strength because investment level changes it so much

[strong oak]

And for a good reason this time

Meanwhile C6 Shenhe looks like a Main DPS there

[hallow flower]

yeah the c6 looks like its inline for the other high damage c6 units

[pliant solar]

dont kekpat me yet but im thinking of adc kaz, chong, shenhe, ben

i get shenhe boosted chong q, ben tap e both melting

melt kaz q and boosted plunges

maybe not plunges if shenhe c0 cause tap e

but still cryo shred and buff

shredded cryo NA spam on kaz as well i think he has good NA mvs?

[strong oak]

Shenhe can't boost Ben Tap E as it doesn't do Cryo dmg

[pliant solar]

yea only the a4 will apply

which is still ok i guess

if i get her i will try this i dont wanna play ganyu

[potent solstice]

whose cryo damage apmplifies shene's E procs? buffed character, her or none?

[strong oak]

presumably the proccing character

[scarlet stone]

One thing im curious about is how tranformatives work with shenhe E

Since superconduct applies cryo damage

A eula triple cryo comp potentially can have all 4 sources of cryo

[pale root]

Speaking of superconduct

Thundering fury shenhe?

Build your own c1

It works with benny

[strong oak]

SInce it says NA/CA/Plunge/Skill/Burst Reactions shouldn't work.

[scarlet stone]

Doomed

[hallow flower]

im coping on bad tagging on the damage type

to save it

[scarlet stone]

Guess we stuck with 3 at most for most comps

[hallow flower]

the flex slot being hydro or anemo for 3x cryo

[scarlet stone]

4 cryo is pepeW

[hallow flower]

you have to either pick 20% crit for everyone

[scarlet stone]

You either 2 cryo 1 anemo infusion

[hallow flower]

or vv + a 4th quill procer

[scarlet stone]

Or 3 cryo in case of eula

Ig

Id not run 3 cryo unless its eula comp lol

[hallow flower]

you dont like venti comp?

[strong oak]

3 Cryo + Anemo or Double Cryo + Double Anemo could work. But I'd think Freeze for the Cryo Teams outweighs a 4th Shenhe trigger

[scarlet stone]

I prefer a freeze and just abuse BS

[twilit trench]

@scarlet stone can't you do 5 instances of cryo with eula

With your normal combo

[scarlet stone]

You can

E Q hold E

Is 5 cryo procs

[twilit trench]

Ya

[hallow flower]

i dont mind dropping the 20 crit and getting vv + gather personally

gather is so nice for ayaka and ganyu

[twilit trench]

Can't you run Shenhe/Eula/Raiden

Plus a kokomi or something

[hallow flower]

why not use ayaka in that team then?

[scarlet stone]

You can

[twilit trench]

Ayaka on which slot

[woeful anchor]

Anemo infused cryo would proc quills right?

[hallow flower]

yea

[twilit trench]

Yes it should

[hallow flower]

anemo drivers have no cryo% though

unless you are kaz

[woeful anchor]

Triple cryo + anemo could be interesting

Yeah kaz

Altho i wouldnt build crit on him

What an interesting concept they are introducing

[hallow flower]

yeah i like the concept

[twilit trench]

Hard to utilize imo

[woeful anchor]

Btwn shenhe and yunjin

[twilit trench]

You let less value with smaller hits

[woeful anchor]

I dnno yunjin seems harder to utilize

[hallow flower]

?

[twilit trench]

That's how shenhe's e works no?

[woeful anchor]

U dont get less value it just doesnt scale

Like other aoe

[hallow flower]

the skill that activates it doesnt matter

the stats of the character activating does

hence she does better when her allies has crit and dmg%

[twilit trench]

Why doesn't it?

[woeful anchor]

Yeah u need ur entire comp to be invested

[hallow flower]

she builds atk% and then her allies crit for her

[woeful anchor]

To fully exploit

[twilit trench]

Doesn't shenhe's e increase the skill damage based of her own attack

Smaller hits should have less value than big hits

[hallow flower]

(Shen Atk)x(Shen E)x(Ayaka CritMod)x(Ayaka dmg%)x(DefMod)

[twilit trench]

If it works how I think it does

[hallow flower]

the skill number doesnt matter

or else she would be doing like 6x the damage

[twilit trench]

It's a seperate instance?

[woeful anchor]

Its kinda like pike but the base dmg is shenhes attk * 70% or whatever it is

[strong oak]

Looks chunky

ignore the Ayaka header, forgot to change it

[pale root]

Shenhe is being released on a good time tbh

If this shenhe was released on like first zhongli

Nobody was invested enough to even think of using her

[potent solstice]

doesn't E only proc 5 times every 10seconds? or it is 25 procs? (NA,CA,PA,E,Q ) i didn't get that part

[hallow flower]

5 procs but you have 4 characters

they each have their own counter

[potent solstice]

not all 4 characters are going to deal cry damage, so isn't that a waste?

[hallow flower]

well you can have a team with 3 cryo

and one anemo

the anemo unit can infuse cryo

which means you have 4 units doing cryo dmg

at worst you have 2 cryo + 1 anemo + hydro

to get 3 units using it

[potent solstice]

got it now ty

[half lily]

If you're going with a freeze team you'd probably only be able to fit in 2 cryo characters. Same if you'd go with a melt team.

[jagged wedge]

new pyro abyss leaks have shenhe gameplay with her burst

seems like 8 proc each hitting 2 times totalling 16 hits (it hits when first cast and right after the field diseppears i think(?))

[pale root]

Uba just confirmed shenhe icd as normal for Q
Sadge

2.5s or 3 hits

But her Q hit twice every proc
For what is worth

[jagged wedge]

oh just read it's C2's Q

[pale root]

It just changed durarion of Q

C0 will still hit twice per proc

[jagged wedge]

yea but less procs

so only 12 hits total(?)

[pale root]

13 with the initial hit

I think

[jagged wedge]

1 big mv + 12 small mv

[pale root]

Wouldnt call that big mv

1 not negligeable, 12 small

[jagged wedge]

*1 initial hit + 12 DoT

[stark niche]

Q does 2 tick per interval, not 4. Also, standard ICD

[jagged wedge]

from that message C0 should be doing 1 + 10 hits on Q then

[stark niche]

I imagine that he used 5 intervals as example

[jagged wedge]

yea it should be either 5 or 6 procs since C2 has 8 and the interval is 2sec+

[sinful flume]

at least she applies Cryo decently well

[stark niche]

[timber kiln]

shenhe as hu tao support

[vagrant cargo]

Rip shenhe
........ Fck 2.5 icd

[timber kiln]

are you sure its bad

[stark niche]

Not bad tbh

The 2 tic per interval is worse

[vagrant cargo]

What icd in rosaria's burst?

Is it the same?

[timber kiln]

rosa has no icd on her Q

shenhe has just right icd to be support

[timber kiln]

.

[stark niche]

Is 1300% multiplier on Q good? This is that she got at lvl 9, right

[compact raptor]

Question if the buff basically works like cinnabar spindle and it just adds the number to your damage
Would shenhe main dps work with chongyun yunjin and xingqiu supports

[strong oak]

Not for a 80 cost Burst. And current standings its 1 Q cast hit + 10 Ticks which is only 734 MV at T9.

[compact raptor]

Her skill multipliers don't seem amazing but if we turn her autos into cryo and make her buff her entire kit i think she should be able to dish out some damage

[stark niche]

Wait, it is 10 ticks? I thought it was more. Nvm then

[strong oak]

5 or maybe 6 procs if Uba just missed one. But even at 6 ticks for 12 overall hits its just 847 MV, which is still horrible.

[hallow flower]

added an all c6r5 calc for @elfin swallow , and fixed some things

ayaka c6 CA has 232.5% cdmg and 517.6% dmg%

[strong oak]

Using C6 to proc Quills is pretty damn huge

[hallow flower]

yeah

[stark niche]

How many procs is that?

[hallow flower]

the quills alone do 176k dmg there

[compact raptor]

I am currently assuming that shenhe buff works like cinnabar spindle
So ok does it increase by who's damage bonuses shenhe's or the one who proced the buff?

[hallow flower]

depends on the team

im doing 36 procs rn

for c0

[strong oak]

Current assumption is Shenhe's ATK and the proccing units other modifiers

[compact raptor]

I c

She seems a little bit complicated but I don't think she is as underwhelming as other ppl think
U can build triple attack on her with an attack polearm and have amazing buffs

Oh also does her buff snapshot bennett buff? And other artifact sets buff like noblesse and stuff

Like it should shouldn't

[stark niche]

Almost All her DMG seem to be from procs, so you probably would want to build her like that.

[compact raptor]

And f i am asking questions that currently can't be answered lol

[stark niche]

I don't think it does, her weapon would be bad then

[compact raptor]

I think she can still be built as an on field dps with Chongyun making her autos cryo u will probably deal more damage by having her support someone else but she should still have amazing damage

[vapid brook]

it says her current attack so i doubt she would snapshot benny

[compact raptor]

Let me go read her weapon

[stark niche]

Not "bad" just not as good

[strong oak]

Unlikely its amazing. If you want her on-field you'd need to build her with Crit etc vastly lowering the potential of her E Procs, since if she herself procs them it would be based on her own modifiers

[compact raptor]

I mean it should be like lower than ayaka and ganyu damage ofc but better than the 4* options

For a freeze team

[strong oak]

Thats not a given. Her ability dmg itself is lower than Kaeya or Rosaria's

[compact raptor]

Ya and her multipliers are lower

But her buff applies to her entire kit

[strong oak]

Haven't looked at her AA dmg, but I wouldn't expect it to be high either

[compact raptor]

It's lower than rosaria

The multipliers at least

Oh also from how her weapon looks like it seems she would snapshot buffs like noblesse and ToM with her buff

[strong oak]

Her weapon is precisely going against snapshotting. But she could ofc benefit from them while they are up if her abilities are dynamic

[compact raptor]

Her E does say "current" attack

So if the buff as active shouldn't she snapshot it?

Cuz that's her "current" attack

[strong oak]

Could be her current ATK at the time of each indvidual Quill proc

[hallow flower]

its a dynamic check

on each proc

[strong oak]

Otherwise her own weapon wouldn't work with her

[compact raptor]

Oh i get it so it checks upon proc

So something like fischl with ToM will get applied in her calculation

If u can keep a 100% uptime on fischl's oz

This is just an example

[strong oak]

Yeah, if the Buff is teamwide/works off-field it can buff her Quills

[compact raptor]

Interesting

So technically spiral abyss buffs too

[strong oak]

Sure

[grand forge]

Wait is it confirmed that shenhe E use other characters stats for dmg or speculation?

[compact raptor]

I think it's speculation
But it should cuz it's a buff not an individual tick

It's something like cinnabar spindle

[strong oak]

In the end you can basically consider Shenhe's Quills as her outsourcing her own dmg to other units modifiers.

[compact raptor]

If her passive and cinnabar don't work exactly the same
Then cinnabar buff would have been flat number added to the damage

Now excuse my little copium inhaling but
Would chongyun be a good dps with a shenhe support????

[mystic linden]

did a rough calc of pure cryo team damage, looks promising for my budget

[grand forge]

then if you equip cinnabar on albedo and you hit with ayaka it uses her stats for dmg?

[compact raptor]

No no
Pretend that cinnabar is shenhe
And albedo is the character being buffed

[stark niche]

4 5* units

[mystic linden]

idk if ganyu even beats rosa in that spot

but i don't have rosa built

[compact raptor]

I really like shenhe and i want a high constellation yunjin
But ofc shenhe had to be cryo support

Only element i have no dps for

:)

[mystic linden]

you can probably fix that next patch

[compact raptor]

I will only have enough primos for shenhe so ya no ganyu

I wonder if shenhe can make Chongyun into a decent dps?

[stark niche]

i wouldn't think so. Ganyu gives 20% cryo dmg to the whole team, right?

[strong oak]

to the current on-field unit

[mystic linden]

rosaria gives around 10% cr

[strong oak]

But well usually Burst Support Ganyu is leveraged together with Venti for her quadratic scaling on Q. W/o that her dmg as a Burst Support is a bit meh

[mystic linden]

and ayaka in that team has 144% dmg even before ganyu buff

calcs above are single target btw, splitting quills between 2 targets would be around 960k each assuming everything else hits both targets

[compact raptor]

BiS artifacts on shenhe should be 2 piece glad 2 piece shiminawa?

[neat geyser]

The jump kek

[strong oak]

Gotta have her double her effective dmg contribution when she gets to C6

and double that again when the rest of the Team gets C6

healthy scaling

Although I guess that would look similar if you did that for Bennett and separate the dmg increase of his ATK Buff as his dmg contribution

[mystic linden]

what kind of rotation doubles her quill procs at c6? only NA/CA don't consume charges

so you're doing as many NA/CA hits as ele skills and bursts combined?

[strong oak]

Its not double procs entirely. Assumption is that her C1 allows for Double Hold E over Double Tap E. Then you get 3 extra Talent Levels on her E and you get some extra Procs from C6

[hallow flower]

also ganyu c6 lets you actually use 3 ca

which is 6 procs

or well, as many as there are enemies

tbh

[oak tide]

sayu can infuse cryo and fill the healer and VV slot

the problem is you'd have to waste like 5 seconds rolling around

but if you just give up on ganyu charged shots it could work

ayaka+ganyu+shenhe+sayu

burst focused ganyu with polar star or skyward harp

[strong oak]

Thing is that Ganyu's Q dmg collapses w/o grouping in AoE situations

[oak tide]

it's still a decent amount of damage, especially if you're building more towards it

but maybe rosaria would be better

[strong oak]

In the end it will be worth exploring since we can hardly just settle on "just have Ganyu, Ayaka and Venti, bruh!"

[desert locust]

shenhe Q do 2 dmg per tick right?

[oak tide]

counts seem iffy

I've heard 4 ticks every 3 seconds

[sour oriole]

looks 2 ticks every 2/2.5s exactly like Kaz timing to me

[neat geyser]

Her Q doesnt have a final dmg right?

cuz theres a randon 21 at the last proc

When Kokomi On fielded (kokomi probably uses tom or something)

Oh it was a crit

[shut cedar]

So I just saw the gameplay of her burst hitting 2 times per tick. Even with standard icd she should apply cryo every tick right?

[strong oak]

Only if the time between her ticks is 2.5s or higher.

If its below 2.5s you only get a Cryo App every second tick

[shut cedar]

I mean we have video right? Isn't it 2 seconds

[strong oak]

I haven't checked the exact tick rate, its around 2s but not sure if tis exactly 2s. It seemingly having only 5 ticks in 12s would indicate the tick rate being a tad slower than 2s

[mystic linden]

looks like sets of 3 to me but staggered 1-2-1-2, 2.5s between repeats

https://streamable.com/6yfoeb at the very end

[shut cedar]

There's video against an enemy so you can see the damage ticks

[shut cedar]

1st tick: 1st hit cryo, 2nd hit no cryo
2nd tick: 3rd hit no cryo, 4th hit cryo (3 hit rule)
3rd tick: 5th hit cryo (2.5 seconds passed), 6th hit no cryo
4th tick: 7th hit no cryo, 8th hit cryo (3 hit rule)

[sour oriole]

triple cryo - melt Tao comp?

or triple cryo - melt XL

probs not enough to melt all XL hits

but you can keep the triple cryo comp for Shenhe

[strange cliff]

With a diona you can also battery hard

[sour oriole]

just ran a quick sheet on triple cryo Shenhe XL

still pretty copium and highly dependent on your cryo unit's investment

C1 Shenhe is interesting tho

with Q, hold E and tap E, total buffs:

• 10% cryo DMG%
• 15% to E and Q
• 15% to CA/NA
• 15% shred to Phys and Cryo

[neat geyser]

Yes u get everything

With c1

[sour oriole]

there are also all sorts of copium Shenhe-Chong comp, like triple cryo XQ

[neat geyser]

Refreshes the duration too I think

[sour oriole]

yeah

with C2 you also get full Q duration for the rotation

[neat geyser]

C2 is also good cuz 18 sec 🗿

They got tired of saying X% duration increase

And just went to here +6sec

[lapis crow]

the time between the hits of each proc is ~2 seconds

[sour oriole]

so the total DPS increase from Shenhe full meal combo is ~27%

in isolation

on an average of ~200 DMG% total multiplier

and no VV/no resist reduction

[lapis crow]

Shenhe's burst hits 17 times

1 initial + 16 slashes

[sour oriole]

that's 6 more than expected

[neat geyser]

Thats c2

[sour oriole]

so she can fully use her two tap Es

[neat geyser]

It lasted like 18 to 19 sec

[sour oriole]

what a con bait character Shenhe

[neat geyser]

Wait ur basing this on the clip vs pyro lector right?

[lapis crow]

yes

[neat geyser]

Yep thats Q with c2

[lapis crow]

18 seconds on the exact dot

[sour oriole]

so 11 hits for C0?

[neat geyser]

12

No 13

?

Initial+ 12 ticks?

[sour oriole]

6 seconds extra means it gets a new tick on the 12th second

idk fuck

11 or 13 doesnt matter if u include her E taps

[neat geyser]

Lets just go with 12

[sour oriole]

can't be 12 cos it's double ticks + 1 initial

[lapis crow]

6 less slashes

[sour oriole]

so 11

[lapis crow]

10 + initial yes

[desert locust]

dm me if anyone do the math how high c4 shenhe E can do, screenshot-wise dmg. thanks.

[gaunt hedge]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/weapon/w_3407/?lang=EN

Shenhe sig weapon is on honey

[topaz raft]

Just what are the expected teams she will be on?

I'd see her with ganyu, but i dunno if she can replace someone is Morgana

[woeful anchor]

Quick swap cryo or freeze

I think some ppl are discussing eula but i have no idea

[half lily]

Shoving her in a Eula comp does seem a little copium. Since she's going to take Rosarias spot you're losing ~12% crate 4% phys shred but gaining 10% cryo dmg and 10% skill/burst dmg and some extra MV's on cryo hits

That does not seem like a good trade

I guess it's possible that you'll end up with the same team DPS if Shenhe ends up doing way more damage then Rosaria

[topaz raft]

Mono cryo seems possible with her, but with ayaka

Ayaka diona kazuha

[pulsar tinsel]

c2 or her 5* weapon takes higher priority?

[wooden stratus]

I don't have kazuha, which character can I put in this team?

[topaz raft]

Probably sucrose but I'd prefer kazuha more than other anemo charactera

[vestal chasm]

Shenhe seems to be a Ganyu buff more than anything else:

Buffs charge atk

buffs cryo dmg

Off field cryo application for better freeze uptime

Cryo res shred

[woeful anchor]

I mean shes just a cryo buff in general

just gotta be able to fully exploit her quills

[wooden stratus]

what about venti

[compact raptor]

For 4* characters
Would shenhe work better with aloy or chongyun

Ik a pretty copium question

But anyways
Aloy struggles with keeping her autos cryo

But chongyun ult has 3 ticks meaning he will take more usage from the buff

But also aloy bombs can accidentally trigger the buff

[leaden holly]

3 ticks mean better gain

[compact raptor]

Ya i guess u r triggering it 3 times after all

[coral onyx]

You can't rely on infusing her at the right time to consume the quill, if you can trigger the small bombs by having them hit with a Kazuha suck/group she may work well enough
If you go for a 3cryo lineup you should want to hit as much quills as possible in the 10-15sec

[compact raptor]

Unfortunately nope u can't suck the bombs she has a cooldown on them for some reason

So i guess chongyun is the better option

Let me check his auto attack multipliers and stuff

[pale root]

4 qills on c6 chongs

Which is a 1.0 4* charac
Might be reasonable to assume

[compact raptor]

His multipliers seem good enough

Ya i think Chongyun can be decent enough to be a main dps

With shenhe

[pale root]

Shenhe favors more burst swappy comps

So chongs 40 energy burst with 3/4 procs
Makes a whole lot of sense

[compact raptor]

His ult can triple melt making him good enough for these combs

Hmmm
Soo shenhe chongyun yunjin and a pyro?

[pale root]

Shenhe even gets helped by chongs E reducing her E cd

[compact raptor]

Ya assuming u have C2 unfortunately mine is C0

[pale root]

Sounds a nice pair

[compact raptor]

Now would u get more damage from having yunjin or another burst character

[pale root]

I would say probably anemo there

Instead of yunjin

[compact raptor]

U would get more burst
But less auto damage?

[pale root]

Between vv shred
And abusing cryo swirl to proc more quills

[faint sable]

how about hydro for the 4th slot?

[compact raptor]

Chongyun chatters

Shatters*

Making freeze useless

[coral onyx]

wait what is Yunjin doing here?

[pale root]

I mean
I would count shatter as just extra dmg tbh

[compact raptor]

Buffing chongyun autos

[hallow flower]

chongyun has terrible autos

[pale root]

I dont feel this comp does any NA whatsoever

[compact raptor]

I am thinking the shenhe cryo buff and the yunjin ult buff can make his cryo infused autos good enough

[pale root]

Its straight cycle burst comp

[compact raptor]

Are they slow?

[faint sable]

Chongyun is slow and has bad NA multipliers, worse than Barbs

[hallow flower]

very slow and the dps it has is one of the lowest in the game

also he has no noteworthy stat steroids

[compact raptor]

Hmmm what if we assume we are using him with a C6 yuniin

[pale root]

Chongs,Shenhe, Anemo VV'r

[compact raptor]

His E and yunjin ult will now give him attack speed

[hallow flower]

hes a claymore

they dont get as much from AS

[coral onyx]

Yeah Chongyun is EXTREMELY slow, I'm wondering if like even rosaria hypervested would bring more than Yunjin buffed CHongyun

[compact raptor]

Welp sadge

[pale root]

Atk speed is only useful for ranged... Since hitlag exists

[compact raptor]

Soo chongyun shenhe benny sucrose?

[hallow flower]

im seeing people try to fit chong with shen but i dont see why you would do that

[compact raptor]

And u just spam triple melt bursts

[pale root]

Yunjin feels like tailormade buff for yoimiya

[compact raptor]

It's cuz i don't like ganyu and ayaka yet i like shenhe forcing me into 4* options

:)

[pale root]

A NA buffer, atk speed buff on the shielderslot

[compact raptor]

She is also a noelle buff

Noelle damage comes from autos

[pale root]

Sure
A lot of characters can get a lot of help from Yunjin

Yunjin*

I just yoimiya is the biggest winner

[compact raptor]

Seems so

Now the last question for the team comb
Benny for hypercharging chongyun burst with all the buffs or xiangling for another damage source?

Actually nvm

[pale root]

Chong, shenhe, benny, VV shreder imo

[compact raptor]

Xiangling can't be ran alone

[coral onyx]

I was looking at it first because chongyun + cryo polearm is actually pretty strong, some CHongyun-rosaria slap
But that was with the assumptions that Shenhe was a normal scaling character but with quills and how they work I think it may be too tight to do that setup yeah
You field Shenhe full ATK, chongyun and still need a 3rd cryo melee user hyperinvested ADC standard scaling and like Kazuha/anemo
but Ayaka pretty much doesn't need chongyun so yeah

[faint sable]

that 3rd cryo melee may be Kaeya and Rose then?

[compact raptor]

Yep
Who would give more damage kazuha or sucrose
Just asking i don't own kazuha kek

[compact raptor]

Having to run 2 cryo supports for 1 person honestly sounds kinda bad

Cuz your last slot needs to be xingqiu

[pale root]

They provide the same level of support if you're not double shreding

If you'te Double shreding
Kazuh

[compact raptor]

Won't sucrose kinda give more cuz u r relying on melt?

[pale root]

I cant type today

[compact raptor]

Kek

[pale root]

Their level of support is very very similar

Even assuming melt

[compact raptor]

Chongyun on lavawalker
Shenhe on full attack
Benny noblesse
And sucorse vv should do nice damage

[faint sable]

oops I thought the comp was melt Chongyun, mb

[compact raptor]

If u r running chongyun then shenhe then making them support keaya or rosaria the comb needs to be freeze

Melt doesn't work at that point

Anyways i gtg eat lunch brb

[compact raptor]

Wait if

Sucorse gives shenhe ttds buff

Shenhe will take it in her calculation right?

[grizzled relic]

shenhe takes her current atk total, so it should?