Serious theorycrafting related talks regarding Shenhe only.
#Shenhe Thread
scarlet stone
random oracle
very cool
pliant solar
very cool
wooden stratus
finally
random oracle
will people even make it here
pliant solar
anyways current multis kinda 
empty coral
hello
twilit trench
Aight
random oracle
my idea with her is that you just stack a shit ton of atk on her
pliant solar
buff is 100% uptime but at c0 u have to pick between either
random oracle
and have your main dps crit her atk stat
pliant solar
at c1 u get to maintain both
random oracle
so her dmg stats other than atk dont matter
wooden stratus
i think shee is a pure support for cryo carrys
empty coral
sounds neat
random oracle
so i doubt her scaling matters much at all
empty coral
and with atk ascension, mhy are encouraging this
sinful flume
i think shee is a pure support for cryo carrys
random oracle
yeah i thought it was a typo until i read her kit
pliant solar
problem is does that justify a slot
random oracle
all they really need to do
empty coral
pull gqnyu with me
woeful anchor
yea 5/7 stacks is kinda meh
random oracle
5/7 per atk
twilit trench
So she will go ATK/ATK/ATK?
empty coral
5/7 sounds really hard to utilize well
woeful anchor
cant see the crit dmg buff on honey though
random oracle
So she will go ATK/ATK/ATK?
maybe er if you need the shred
twilit trench
I'm confused what you mean by stacks
woeful anchor
unless im blind
twilit trench
maybe er if you need the shred
Raiden
pliant solar
if they increase the stacks to where ganyu freeze can get a couple shots off in aoe and hit like idk 80k blooms it will be pog
twilit trench
To be honest
woeful anchor
i think the honey page is incomplete so things can change
twilit trench
Eula can utilize it well lol
empty coral
wouldnt ganyus ult also eat the stacks mad fast
twilit trench
in a cryo focused team?
Think eula Raiden
random oracle
im not sure i like her with eula
pliant solar
I'm confused what you mean by stacks
on tap/hold e cast u gain 5/7 stacks of buffed na ca plunge for cryo attacks ONLY
woeful anchor
eula will burn through those stacks
twilit trench
on tap/hold e cast u gain 5/7 stacks of buffed na ca plunge for cryo attacks ONL...
E/Q doesn't count?
Wtf
woeful anchor
i think it does count
random oracle
i mean i guess since there are so few stacks and eula doesnt have much cryo
pliant solar
yea its only from the e
golden dock
She seems pretty cryo support focused for now
random oracle
she can use it well
pliant solar
q shreds both cryo and phys
random oracle
actually now i like the idea more that i think about it
pliant solar
and passive provides 15% cryo cdmg
random oracle
eula already shreds
twilit trench
yea its only from the e
No like, it doesn't buff cryo dmg from e/qs?
pliant solar
while in the field
random oracle
the extra shred is nice though
woeful anchor
no it works with e and q
pliant solar
wait
sinful flume
I kinda want Ayaka now
random oracle
it works with e q
empty coral
wait shenhe stacks only work on the active char correct?
random oracle
it's right after na ca plunge
twilit trench
no it works with e and q
If it works with EQ then eula should work lol
random oracle
If it works with EQ then eula should work lol
cryo dmg only
woeful anchor
yeah
pliant solar
ok mistake 
woeful anchor
works with eula E i guess
twilit trench
Eula E/q is cryo dmg
pliant solar
its 230am my bad
random oracle
assuming youre vs 1 enemy
twilit trench
Yeah
random oracle
the biggest problem with shenhe is the stacks
pliant solar
either way if its per enemy its really pepega
vapid brook
so what’s a short rundown of her kit? not sure i understood google’s crappy translation
woeful anchor
friggin 10-15 sec cd too
twilit trench
friggin 10-15 sec cd too
That's good for eula
Usually long cd means good particle gen
woeful anchor
she has an 80 cost burst herself tho
twilit trench
Raiden
woeful anchor
idk
random oracle
her burst isnt really necessary in that team anyway
it has shit scaling and a bit of res shred
twilit trench
her burst isnt really necessary in that team anyway
You want to burst if you are using koko
random oracle
which eula already covers shred
random oracle
You want to burst if you are using koko
are we still talking about the eula raiden team 👀
twilit trench
Kokomi/Shenhe/Eula/Raiden
pliant solar
ignoring the stack buffs the 15% buff is still decent
wooden stratus
so shenhes purpose is to only buff using e?
empty coral
the stacks can only be eaten by onfield units, correct
random oracle
if she stays at 5/7 stacks this team might be the only team she works with
pliant solar
hmm the cn first passive says its 10% cryo dmg
twilit trench
We gotta calc her stack damage tho
twilit trench
I thought its flat
random oracle
so we need to add mvs to the character skill
empty coral
an MV buff? dang
random oracle
flat as in unaffected by any eternal dmg sources?
wooden stratus
easy skip 💀
random oracle
that sounds weak af
twilit trench
Not really
twilit trench
If we are meant to stack as much as atk as possible
Might come up with some pretty good numbers
random oracle
she gets maybe like 4k atk?
empty coral
curious, if it adds to MV, who would abuse it the most?
pliant solar
76.75% of her atk at tl10
empty coral
okay yeah that sucks
jagged zinc
it's most likely pre dmg modifiers
random oracle
literally like 1k dps
empty coral
well i guess mhy knows what they are doing
pliant solar
wait how does this work
random oracle
:pepehehe:
twilit trench
Bruh
pliant solar
if it scales off her atk what does she give
vapid brook
so lost with her kit
empty coral
who has the strongest single strike?
random oracle
ganyu ca prob
twilit trench
who has the strongest single strike?
Eula
empty coral
i mean as cryo
random oracle
who has 1?
random oracle
but eula doesnt use cryo dmg
pliant solar
it just says it increases damage based on shenhe's atk
woeful anchor
can work ok with rosaria i guess
twilit trench
but eula doesnt use cryo dmg
Maybe shenhe will open up melt eula
empty coral
i was curious about ros shenhe
twilit trench
pliant solar
how it work 
random oracle
Maybe shenhe will open up melt eula
random oracle
how it work <:NotLikeBAHA:549687418123452427>
the way i read it, it says that it needs to be cryo dmg
pliant solar
yea
woeful anchor
melt chong lol
random oracle
seems that way
pliant solar
so it just gives them 72.49% of her atk to teammates on their cryo hits?
random oracle
i think we should be ignoring her personal dmg
twilit trench
Her support capabilities seem kinda limited to be fair
woeful anchor
looks like an add'l MV or something
random oracle
i mean mhy gave her atk ascension
cold ridge
i dont get the stacking thing at all
woeful anchor
gotta wait until its fully translated to know
pliant solar
her c6 seems absolutely insane if this is how it works
twilit trench
Yeah
pliant solar
infinite stacks for the entire e duration
random oracle
at this point im thinking i want shenhe to buff any type of atk and increase the number of total stacks she has
pliant solar
ayaka q will actually delete things from the game
twilit trench
C6 looks crazy if it's like how we predict it to be
wooden stratus
gameplay wise she seems to be skippable atm
twilit trench
ayaka q will actually delete things from the game
Yeah that's just too insane
gaunt hedge
Yeah like c6 removes that 7 hit limit right?
pliant solar
imagine getting the shred, the cryo buff, the infinite stacks on every ayaka tick
woeful anchor
could be insane for whale speed runs
sinful flume
gameplay wise she seems to be skippable atm
she is a support
so she is gonna be future proof anyway
pliant solar
and the a4 passive buff
gaunt hedge
Hope they buff c0 tho like maybe 10 hits would be nice?
twilit trench
7 too little atm
gaunt hedge
I doubt they'd go above 15 hits tho for c0
pliant solar
change it to per attack and it would make more sense tbh
random oracle
i dont get the stacking thing at all
as far as i understand it she has a certain number of stacks after casting E and any instance of cryo dmg dealt during the duration of the E will consume those stacks until they are depleted
pliant solar
per enemy is too dumb
sinful flume
i'm gonna get her
I just dont know what i'm gonna do with her now 
I have no idea of comps to run her
random oracle
it is
forest moat
Can Shenshe burst trigger Raiden coordinated attacks?
twilit trench
change it to per attack and it would make more sense tbh
That would make ayaka aa broken lol
cold ridge
as far as i understand it she has a certain number of stacks after casting E and...
ohhh i see thanks
random oracle
just speculation
wooden stratus
i'm gonna get her
I just dont know what i'm gonna do with her now <:A_HuTaoDerp:...
same. when i first saw her i liked her alrdy but now i just dont know whats next lmao
gaunt hedge
Man a sacrificial polearm would fix her e
woeful anchor
its per character as well, so I think each char gets those 5/7 stacks or w/e
pliant solar
whale ayakas already hit like what
woeful anchor
as long as they are doing cryo dmg
twilit trench
Man a sacrificial polearm would fix her e
She has 2 charges at c1 iirc
pliant solar
38k? per tick
empty coral
i just noticed that ayaka skill has a 400% mv scaling
sinful flume
Man a sacrificial polearm would fix her e
people say this even thought you will be procing it at max 80% of the time 
gaunt hedge
She has 2 charges at c1 iirc
Hmm so that double to 14
twilit trench
Do the stacks stack lol
pliant solar
yea with 2 charges u get both buffs full up time
gaunt hedge
people say this even thought you will be procing it at max 80% of the time <:E_p...
If it works the same way as yunjin one does, multiple hits count as separate
twilit trench
I think we are missing something here
random oracle
Do the stacks stack lol
if they dont that would be pretty annoying to fit the second E in some teams
cold ridge
does she buff every cryo char in the team
gaunt hedge
So hitting seven enemies at the same time can consume the buff
empty coral
give me a copium level of shenhe rosaria xq ht
sinful flume
i just noticed that ayaka skill has a 400% mv scaling
I mean, thats not really extraordinary tbh
empty coral
dang
pliant solar
shes not lookin gud bois
random oracle
empty coral
what arbout rosaria?
gaunt hedge
It makes me wonder why they're so conservative with inital kit on shenhe
gaunt hedge
Lol
twilit trench
Imagine thinking kokomi is bad
sinful flume
Hold on kaeya shenhe
I mean, its probably the only comp I can run anyway
pliant solar
well um
gaunt hedge
Shenhe rosaria? Would that work?
twilit trench
I mean, its probably the only comp I can run anyway <:A_HuTaoDerp:79155214091249...
Dps diona with shenhe using up all 5 stacks in a e cast
pliant solar
aloy q is a nuke 
twilit trench
fresh mesa
can shenhe ult suits to proc constant melt?
woeful anchor
shenhe + chong CA spam
empty coral
maybe im dum but u could run shenhe rosaria ht xq, rosaria e and ult are double hits and eat all the shenhe stacks if u hit like 2 targets
empty coral
prob not
twilit trench
What the fuck
random oracle
wait why not
empty coral
i think onfield char only
random oracle
oh
twilit trench
Does it say on field?
empty coral
unless im confusing myself
twilit trench
Rip
woeful anchor
i dont think we know?
random oracle
on field character makes sense
empty coral
its stated active char, but i may remmeber wrong
twilit trench
Tbh
random oracle
otherwise she'd be eating her own stacks with her ult
random oracle
which would be even ass-er
twilit trench
On field
twilit trench
Kinda smoge
woeful anchor
why does it matter if she eats her own stacks, shes dealing like no dmg
twilit trench
You can't melt all of that juicy
empty coral
and u get 1-3 left over, but in aoe u eat all
random oracle
guys it's a typo, it's supposed to be 50/70 stacks
twilit trench
empty coral
holy shit
random oracle
i put the copium there for a reason
empty coral
random oracle
twilit trench
Eh
cold ridge
hot garbage
random oracle
sinful flume
hey
empty coral
this may be dum question, but u would want to add the MV from shenhe to high mv skills right
pliant solar
channel yoi mains again she will be buffed in the beta
sinful flume
at least her having a support kit
twilit trench
this may be dum question, but u would want to add the MV from shenhe to high mv ...
Yes
sinful flume
kinda confirms that she is probably Cloud Retainer 
twilit trench
Single strike would be better
random oracle
this may be dum question, but u would want to add the MV from shenhe to high mv ...
as long as the skill gets buffed i dont think it would matter
twilit trench
as long as the skill gets buffed i dont think it would matter
It's better for melting
random oracle
oh
random oracle
so we're doing melt now
twilit trench
random oracle
empty coral
nah melt is kinda hard
twilit trench
How
random oracle
prolly yeah
empty coral
how do u fit another cryo unit
pliant solar
her NAs look decent u can probably just go play memes with shenhe raiden clamqiqi flex
lmao
random oracle
i dont see many teams having space to slot shenhe and cryo melt
cold ridge
her buff might not be a flat buff tho
jagged zinc
Maybe I'm missing something but why do you all think she buffs MV's instead of flat attack before dmg modifiers
empty coral
how about rosaria shenhe rev melt
twilit trench
If it's flag buff it's dogshit lmao
twilit trench
how about rosaria shenhe rev melt
Doesn't proc off field remember
Unless Benny c6 LMAO
random oracle
Maybe I'm missing something but why do you all think she buffs MV's instead of f...
that's what we think
empty coral
wah
empty coral
u just use rosaria and shenhe quick swap
with like benny and XL/kazuha
and pray it works
lapis crow
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va2JTdtw7OpagE-W0lY798YzUXFIu-aP9JOA3_OCUSQ/edit?usp=sharing
woeful anchor
seems like it applies the buff to the whole party? idk
gaunt hedge
im assuming it's mv
How different would it be if it was mv?
jagged zinc
that's what we think
Not sure how that would work in calcs though, 75% of 4k attack added to MV?
twilit trench
seems like it applies the buff to the whole party? idk
Mono cryo 
random oracle
Not sure how that would work in calcs though, 75% of 4k attack added to MV?
yeah
random oracle
How different would it be if it was mv?
that's what im assuming
gaunt hedge
Also suggestions on how they can buff shenhe 
random oracle
so 3k mv%?
no
empty coral
lol
random oracle
like she adds a % of her atk onto a character's own atk modded mv before other dmg mods
twilit trench
Also suggestions on how they can buff shenhe <:A_WheezeTao:793919527208484924>
Make her q single hit
And buff the multis a bit
gaunt hedge
Hopefully that mv is better than extra 1600 flat damage
jagged zinc
Oh I see what you mean, yeah that's what I was assuming too
gaunt hedge
like she adds a % of her atk onto a character's own atk modded mv before other d...
Ah so like Benny?
random oracle
benny buffs atk so kinda but not really
like say ganyu has 200% scaling and 2k atk
so 4k dmg before other mods
shenhe has 4k and 75% atk buff scaling
you add 75% of her atk scaling to ganyu's atk sacling
so ganyu's 4k + shenhe's 0.75 *4k
or from 4k --> 7k
before any other dmg mods
stark niche
I don't understand this, but i imagine at lvl 1 she does 100% on press Q + 33% on DoT to enemies inside her Q, right?
random oracle
it seems reasonable cause she only gets 5/7 stacks
twilit trench
Yes
empty coral
okay now real shit
random oracle
which im hoping is a typo
twilit trench
I don't understand this, but i imagine at lvl 1 she does 100% on press Q + 33% o...
It's not impressive
twilit trench
meltyu with no shield
No shield
empty coral
but hte numbers
empty coral
yes kaz
twilit trench
Wait
random oracle
kaz benny shenhe ganyu
twilit trench
Kaz Ben variant
empty coral
yep
random oracle
is what he's thinking i think
twilit trench
No sucrose
empty coral
stark niche
It's not impressive
Yeah, sound bad tbh
twilit trench
empty coral
lol okay and
stark niche
I was just checking if it was right or not
random oracle
👀
random oracle
so how about yae
twilit trench
Keep in mind sucrose has ttds lol
empty coral
thats the main thing im considering
random oracle
you have bennett dont you?
twilit trench
But also em buff
empty coral
if u got em sands and c2 kaz, the suc em isnt that big of a deal
empty coral
cuz i want to see how much more dmg it will be at the top end
twilit trench
I mean sure?
random oracle
well shenhe's buff is something that seems pretty hard to dilute
at the very least
twilit trench
It's just basically an attack buff tbh lol
random oracle
kinda
empty coral
in a sense
random oracle
you get to crit a portion of someone else's atk stat
random oracle
at t8?
gaunt hedge
Man I was considering shenhe in raiden/zhongli and a cryo dps between kaeya and rosaria
scarlet stone
: )
random oracle
yes very good
twilit trench
@scarlet stone what do you think of melt eula with shenhe
random oracle
what does eula do?
gaunt hedge
Seems like it isn't a good choice
random oracle
like 20%+ on t8?
twilit trench
It's 20% t6 iirc
random oracle
bruh
random oracle
extra bruh
scarlet stone
<@418511377834049536> what do you think of melt eula with shenhe
Melt Eula - no
random oracle
👀
twilit trench
Embrace it
empty coral
pliant solar
ngl if she releases in this state i might have to skip
but no doomposting until release
twilit trench
ngl if she releases in this state i might have to skip
Same
empty coral
shes intriguing
random oracle
i was going to pull depending on her kit
twilit trench
Unless another Kaz situation
random oracle
she is
scarlet stone
Say melt eula again.
twilit trench
scarlet stone
Im muting you
random oracle
but i dont like how she's such a strict cryo support
twilit trench
Bruh
empty coral
they are being quite conservative
pliant solar
i like the concept
twilit trench
Why you do this
random oracle
if she buffed everything it would be so much more interesting
scarlet stone
I think you guys dont understand
pliant solar
yea funny thing is the cryo carries we have rn dont even need any help their teams are strong as shit already lmao
scarlet stone
What melt eula is
empty coral
sitri, wats ur inital impressions?
random oracle
What melt eula is
random oracle
woah E makes up 30%?
pliant solar
c2 melt eula is pretty cool
scarlet stone
: )
twilit trench
The point of the comp is to abuse shenhe's e attack buff steroid on a hard hitting single hit
pliant solar
my shitty build hold e hits like 110k
gaunt hedge
Maybe she's just waiting for her sukoko+ocean clam moment to be viable
twilit trench
The point of the comp is to abuse shenhe's e attack buff steroid on a hard hitti...
In this case is eula
empty coral
hard to use
true forge
It never ceases to amaze me how quick folks are to doom units
empty coral
no one can really use her well
true forge
It ain't even been 4 hours
gaunt hedge
man why do they have to do this to the waifus
Make some of them be rare collectibles with meh stats and buff them for rerun
Or straight up make them broken
twilit trench
It never ceases to amaze me how quick folks are to doom units
I'm just tryna tc man
scarlet stone
Eula shred 24% at t9 :)
twilit trench
I get shut down when I mention melt eula
twilit trench
Reee
scarlet stone
:)
random oracle
It ain't even been 4 hours
if you have your own thoughts on her kit share them
scarlet stone
:)
pliant solar
Make some of them be rare collectibles with meh stats and buff them for rerun
O...
i really hope these stats arent final
empty coral
im guessing ur also a lil sad about the inital impressions
random oracle
i think most beta units get buffed before released
empty coral
maybe
scarlet stone
Its fine :)
random oracle
what is fine
true forge
if you have your own thoughts on her kit share them
We literally don't even know if the number are in the right places yet
pliant solar
15% phys shred for 12s
scarlet stone
Im fine
empty coral
shenhe is fine
gaunt hedge
I'm positive she'll get something good, time will tell though
twilit trench
Idk how shenhe made it out of testing if she works the way we think she works
random oracle
well we're taking the kit at face value if it changes later we can change our perspectives later
random oracle
that was the point of opening up this chat
pliant solar
im down for a cryo support even tho i only have ganyu
empty coral
lol kiko we are just evaluating the numbers given, its not like we are dooming or anything
twilit trench
Atm the problem is she's purely cryo support, but her buffs are hard to utilize
gaunt hedge
im down for a cryo support even tho i only have ganyu
Me with my level 40 Rosaria/Kaeya
twilit trench
Me with melt eula
pliant solar
i was excited for melt 
random oracle
i was excited for melt <:peepoSad:526260887950983178>
hey dont let sitri stop you
empty coral
melt support one day
random oracle
what does he know?
random oracle
twilit trench
110k e hold e
random oracle
gaunt hedge
I saw her signature weapon seems like it fixes a lot of her problems
empty coral
i think they balanced her accounting for melt
pliant solar
the tap did like 62k iirc in abyss
twilit trench
I think hold e rev melt eula might be good
pliant solar
i tried homa melt rosa the ult ticks for bout 65k also
twilit trench
Honestly
empty coral
thats good i think
random oracle
i think they balanced her accounting for melt
what melt teams do you see shenhe fitting in if she were to have a higher amount of stacks
pliant solar
if u have c2 a 4s 110k aoe nuke is pretty pog
random oracle
i feel like rev melts teams already are pretty tight
scarlet stone
scarlet stone
https://streamable.com/6yfoeb
twilit trench
The aoe is pretty large on eula hold e
pliant solar
yea
twilit trench
That's not accounting for icewhirl brand right
empty coral
they are quite tight on rotations
pliant solar
yea just the hold e
random oracle
https://streamable.com/6yfoeb
are we supposed to frame count the cryo support
twilit trench
You can double melt the e and get cryo shred as well
scarlet stone
are we supposed to frame count the cryo support <:A_smolhutao:795081933980696646...
i am not frame counting her NA
empty coral
didnt jem.spirit do this already
twilit trench
Shenhe already got framecounted
pliant solar
i only have this pic but i hit higher after swapping some artis
scarlet stone
im counting other stuff
random oracle
#913131898266587148 message @scarlet stone someone did
pliant solar
refreshing way to play an invested char
pliant solar
ngl im tempted
empty coral
maybe rosaria shenhe benny XL
pliant solar
oh yea its tl8 e as well
empty coral
the cryo multi hit thing oon shenhe ult may make it hard for rev melt tho
twilit trench
Kinda sad she's so specific
random oracle
if she she stays at 5/7 stacks
empty coral
yeah she seems very specific
random oracle
it's just why
unless im misunderstanding the stack consumption
but i dont see what there is to misunderstand
they explicitly say multiple enemies eat multiple stacks
if they left it ambiguous it would be speculation
but damn
pliant solar
like idm if she has limited teams if she elevates them to a pog level
empty coral
maybe my shenhe ros tao team wont be so bad 
pliant solar
right so she gives the stacks to the entire team
empty coral
hey shes an alternative to diona in morgana
pliant solar
and the stacks are not shared
but with most teams u have i guess 2 chars doing damage
2-3?
empty coral
5 star rosaria
twilit trench
Yes
empty coral
by a good margin i htink
random oracle
are we reading it wrong?
twilit trench
Inb4 shenhe q standard icd
random oracle
look at yunjin
her kit implies stack consumption right?
but she uses different wording entirely
and 30 stacks makes sense
empty coral
wineson 
random oracle
why would they release shenhe next to her
but have her only 5/7 stacks
it doesnt make sense
pliant solar
my chinese isnt the best but im pretty sure im reading this right
empty coral
the numbers, what do they mean
twilit trench
Maybe cuz it's too op
pliant solar
i think they will change it
twilit trench
Bruh
random oracle
why not 5 times or 7 times
empty coral
every 5th or 7th cryo hit?
empty coral
so
pliant solar
in the chinese ver it says count
empty coral
and ganyu too in aoe
empty coral
wait how would that read tho?
strong oak
I've seen shinier things
pliant solar
also this bit im assuming is the stack duration
random oracle
seems like it
twilit trench
Yes it duration
pliant solar
the beta is live for all testers now right
strong oak
Is that good?
Horrible
twilit trench
Yikes
random oracle
has to be something we're missing
strong oak
Its worse than Clam by itself
random oracle
her ult cant be the highlight of her kit
it's shit scaling with a little res shred locked behind an 80 cost
it has to be E
then what are we missing
twilit trench
Na
strong oak
And those are super favorable assumptions on the functionality
random oracle
i dont think the stacks have anything to do with build up
cause if it had anything to do with build up hold would be worse than tap
pliant solar
nah im pretty sure its procs
strong oak
there's no way it's 5/7 with no aoe though
Even with AoE it seems subpar unless I'm interpreting the ability completely wrong
twilit trench
I don't really see a comp she is good in
random oracle
Even with AoE it seems subpar unless I'm interpreting the ability completely wro...
yeah i agree
twilit trench
That have better 4* options
random oracle
let's go back to they missed 2 0s and it's supposed to be 50/70
cold ridge
they are missing a 0 on 5th and 7th im sure
random oracle
twilit trench
paper ice
whats her bursts total MV?
twilit trench
I'm thinking of some weird transformative comp with shenhe to cope but then I realised cryo transformative only has sc
random oracle
and it would sort of make sense because hold is longer than press
twilit trench
Ah yes hold longer than hold
strong oak
whats her bursts total MV?
T10 is like 600% if I'm getting that right
random oracle
what if it's every 5/7 cryo attacks you gain the shenhe mvs for the rest of your cryo attacks
strong oak
Seems to tick every 2s from footage
random oracle
and it can keep stacking
paper ice
whats the sustained dmg number for?
twilit trench
T10 is like 600% if I'm getting that right
80cost BTW
random oracle
until duration depleted
paper ice
and it looked like it hit 3 times per tick
random oracle
or you stack it a certain number of times
twilit trench
That's still really bad lol
twilit trench
Ayaka has to pre aa
paper ice
twilit trench
well ganyu's ult would just be there to stack for her CAs
Morgana
paper ice
oh wait
random oracle
though then you have no space for shenhe ayaka ganyu
paper ice
im guessing its 100.8+6x3x33.12 at T1
random oracle
sitri has been typing for a while now 👀
random oracle
boutta drop a nuke on us
twilit trench
It's the 3 hits every 2 sec I think
paper ice
ya I think its 696.96MV at T1
random oracle
and a dot
paper ice
she seems somewhat underwhelming rn
scarlet stone
Ok, first impression. DEFINITELY doesnt seem broken in any means. Kit is interesting, ill dissect one by one:
Normal attacks: omegalul no, give up on the pike meta, its gone.
E: super interesting and super confusing. The ATK% dmg addition is something we do not know how it works exactly, and its the only part that is really noticable about the E. Until we get about how it works, shenhe is super toss up.
A4 passive in tandem is nice, but then you realize shit like Raiden exist with 100% buff uptime. Eula going to have trouble using the tap, eventhough she wants it more than the hold (ult buff is nice), but not impossible if you are decent at Eula and rotate her > Eula. Cant fit another one between them for the passive to work with that 10s window. Other snapshot character cant complain. Honestly I cant find a great use case for Hold A4 passive off the top of my head. Comps where she can fit in doesnt really priortize auto over ults, and comp that does she doesnt really fit in with the current synergistic 3-4 core units comps.
Q: stronger Rosaria Q at base damage, but not strong enough you think of it as a straight upgrade. ICD will be interesting since its 1 tick per s, 4 damage instance per tick over 12s, unless its a very specific type of ICD she probably cant melt for good damage. The shred is pepeW, its there so its decent, but that is some sadge values.
TL;DR: She's hot, kit not so hot, idk, let me cope.
paper ice
5 instances per tick?
strong oak
im guessing its 100.8+6x3x33.12 at T1
If it hits 3 times its roughly 1.4k MV at T10
Which is still meh as a dmg tool
paper ice
thats what xiangling does at T1 isnt it
twilit trench
strong oak
Never checked XL T1
paper ice
I think 14s xiangling is around that at t1
random oracle
but you can vape a significant portion of XL ult
twilit trench
Can't melt which is a problem
random oracle
and snapshot/bennett buff it
twilit trench
Yeah also no Benny
random oracle
well you could
twilit trench
She can't snapshot q
random oracle
she can't?
random oracle
scarlet stone
4 no?
scarlet stone
i just recounted
random oracle
she has a weapon?
strong oak
Read her weapon passive
Might be purely for her E
vapid brook
where’s her weapon info?
scarlet stone
well, at least I wont be too hype for shenhe during break
this kit is
pepeW
ill take my Lisa TTDS ty
paper ice
it might be 4, hard to tell
random oracle
Read her weapon passive
where can i find that?
twilit trench
Ok yeah it kinda looks like 4?
strong oak
In case of doubt I don't mind saving longer for a truly amazing unit, but that first impression hits kinda hard
paper ice
cant tell if its one long animation or two short animations
twilit trench
random oracle
thank you
scarlet stone
<@600536566787735553> https://twitter.com/genshinmains/status/146349575845637735...
Another
random oracle
Ok, first impression. DEFINITELY doesnt seem broken in any means. Kit is interes...
are you gonna pin this?
scarlet stone
XL weapon
twilit trench
Not really
Unless in sukoko
She needs to snapshot lol
In sukoko you e and leave for a while
random oracle
i mean you prob wont be able to get that double stack thing
but if you drop guoba at the start it can work
random oracle
twilit trench
Sukoko Is really cracked ngl
random oracle
i need r5 kitain
random oracle
how much your xl hit
random oracle
paper ice
is it 5/7 per team member?
random oracle
dont know
twilit trench
No it cannot be shared
random oracle
even if it was it would still be pretty shit
paper ice
this sentence: the number of effective times will be counted separately for characters with "Ice Ling" in the team
random oracle
buff all of ayaka ult
twilit trench
buff all of ayaka ult
Nvm
paper ice
bad translation, but seems to imply its 5/7 per character
pliant solar
i feel like shenhe is the real first cons locked char
where the cons arent adding more but removing restrictions
pliant solar
c6 looks terrifying
random oracle
funny cause it's a c6
true forge
i feel like shenhe is the real first cons locked char
Eula at c6 is an entirely different character
empty coral
pliant solar
cause shenhe's c6 completely bypasses the proc shit
random oracle
scarlet stone
cause shenhe's c6 completely bypasses the proc shit
Thing is it procs on normals and CA
So you cant use it with ayaka either
empty coral
sitri rate my rosaria shenhe hutao xq team @scarlet stone
pliant solar
yea
true forge
I don't think we have enough info yet. I've been down this rabbithole with every new unit. Especially one that looks as complex as this one.
pliant solar
my copium is this time with her being the main focus of the beta cause only 1 5*
random oracle
cause shenhe's c6 completely bypasses the proc shit
though that means that E/Q procs would still deplete stacks
pliant solar
maybe we'll see better tuning 
scarlet stone
I don't think we have enough info yet. I've been down this rabbithole with every...
Shes not complex. Eula/Raiden leaks is complex. Shes justvhave translation confusion
pliant solar
though that means that E/Q procs would still deplete stacks
but u get infinite stacks tho
pliant solar
let me reread
twilit trench
Maybe you gotta hit AA/CA 5 or 7 times to get the buff
random oracle
that would make the activation part a little weird though
cause what is to be activated after you have activated the buff
pliant solar
ah wait
at c6 NA CA wont deplete stacks so i guess spam ganyu ca?
i need some sleep i cant read
twilit trench
I think we should wait for official translations
random oracle
yeah
empty coral
strong oak
Funny thing is
Seems like investing in her E extra dmg under my current assumptions is more worthwhile than building her own dmg
But its pretty terrible either way
strong oak
I literally maxed out the ATK she can get with Wavebreaker
And assumed Crit and Dmg% effect come from the trigger
in this case a cracked C0 R1 Ayaka
And you get a whopping 120k dmg from 7 procs like that
So unless E works a lot different from that assumption she is severely undertuned
random oracle
what if she doesnt buff only the cryo atks?
what if cryo dmg just triggers the buff
that would make her a worse cryo support though
cause cryo units would deplete stacks faster
strong oak
If every unit on the Team could get their own 7 Stacks to use
random oracle
it would still be pretty bad
strong oak
You'd cap put at 480k and thats really unlikely
since not everyone is a Stat Stick like Ayaka
So you get maybe 300k
Which is ok
but not great
strong oak
Thats 3.9k ATK Shenhe T10
random oracle
though not every team member is going to be inflicting cryo dmg
strong oak
I literally gave her the max possible ATK%
random oracle
are we assuming the cryo dmg proc needs to be done by the onfield character?
random oracle
I literally gave her the max possible ATK%
max atk without external buffs?
strong oak
max atk without external buffs?
Yes
ATK/ATK/ATK, 2Shime2Glad, 12 Perfect ATK% Subs
Wavebreaker
random oracle
her new weapon gives a shit ton of atk
strong oak
Ofc her signature is much better for that
but thats hardly going to be the standard for people getting her
random oracle
true
so at this point atk buffs like 4no or 4tom will be minimal
cause she's so amped up on atk% already
random oracle
so this is pretty much max invest shenhe and she's doing 300k on a hold E if we're being generous with team lineups?
im not even sure if 300k is realistically achieveable
pulsar tinsel
Who will benefit more from shenhe in freeze comp, ayaka or ganyu?
random oracle
at this point neither
ayaka and ganyu would probably be a better pair than pairing shenhe with either of them
pulsar tinsel
Why?
strong oak
Shenhe doesn't really favor either mechanically
strong oak
im not even sure if 300k is realistically achieveable
Unlikely. You won't have more than 1 Cryo unit in addition to Shenhe. 300k is basically the assumption that everyone in the Team gets 7 procs per rot
random oracle
im not even sure if the team could match what ayaka puts up
strong oak
And if its true that AoE consumes 1 Stack for each hit, then its not even AoE scalable
random oracle
man shenhe is not lookng so hot
strong oak
Best course of action for now is wait and see how her E actually functions
maybe we got something completely wrong
random oracle
i dont see how they couldve made her this bad
strong oak
i dont see how they couldve made her this bad
If it works like I think it does it can get out of hand quite quickly if you don't tune it very carefully
Bc if it was really really pwoerful
You could maybe just run Mono Cryo, get 28 Procs per E
and thats all your Team dmg
random oracle
true
thought as it is now the only way i can see you getting to ~300k would be if you had ayaka and ganyu on the same team
then shenhe's own procs
but how well would that stack up against a mona or a kazuha
wooden stratus
guys i have a question on how shenhe buff work. am i getting this right? so her buff is a % from her sheet atk and is an additional multiplier to the motion value of the dmg dealt to enemies, right? not an additive dmg bonus??
pulsar tinsel
Is shenhe kit complete as C0 or need some constellation to work better?
strong oak
thought as it is now the only way i can see you getting to ~300k would be if you...
Given 120k per 7 Procs it would be 240k with Ayaka and Ganyu. But that means using Hold E which means it doesn't give Q dmg%. Otherwise Tap E means only 5 procs which is 85k or 170k for both in total.
strong oak
guys i have a question on how shenhe buff work. am i getting this right? so her ...
Quite frankly we don't know yet.
I'm currently working with the assumption its additional MV based on Shenhe's total ATK that then scales with the modifiers of the unit proccing it
wooden stratus
Quite frankly we don't know yet.
I'm currently working with the assumption its a...
yeah that's how im understanding, it too. thaaaanks. i think a lot of people are doomsposting shenhe rn. i do think the numbers dont look as juicy just from the talent lvls, but maybe calcs would say otherwise
strong oak
Is shenhe kit complete as C0 or need some constellation to work better?
Way too earyl to tell since we don't even know for sure how her kit works right now. Thus making it impossible to evaluate her Cons
strong oak
yeah that's how im understanding, it too. thaaaanks. i think a lot of people are...
What I calced based on that assumption looks very grim
scarlet stone
yeah that's how im understanding, it too. thaaaanks. i think a lot of people are...
Her ratios are the least of my problems with her
: )
wooden stratus
What I calced based on that assumption looks very grim
ooof. dang. flat mv buffs tend to not scale as hard as straight up additive dmg buffs
scarlet stone
Power is way too diluted but not overloaded
So
In synergistic comps she will have trouble earning her place
That is an issue
wooden stratus
In synergistic comps she will have trouble earning her place
not even morgana or any variants of that team??? 😭
scarlet stone
Esp when a lot of comps already finalize their units, and it is costlier to replace
scarlet stone
not even morgana or any variants of that team??? 😭
Morgana currently chooses ayaka vs diona
For offense vs defense
Shenhe doesnt provide close to both imo
Unless she can generate really impressive particles
Maybe
wooden stratus
Shenhe doesnt provide close to both imo
yeah. her passives need to be compensentated more, numbers-wise
wooden stratus
Unless she can generate really impressive particles
5 particles in 15 sec cooldown
scarlet stone
Call me a doomposter but cryo has way too many existing good units
Kicking a cryo unit out of their situated comp is pretty fkn hard
wooden stratus
yeaaaah. prayge she'll get better. amma bedge now mr. sitri 😳
earnest kestrel
@scarlet stone Agreed. All current cryo characters (except Qiqi, Chongyun, Aloy) are very good.
golden dock
If it works like I think it does it can get out of hand quite quickly if you don...
This seems like something mhy keeps doing on early beta. Unclear descriptions / undertuning new units to then balance it out over the duration of the beta with beta tester and community reaction, like with early raiden resolve stacks
heady mulch
i didnt understand shenhe kit, is she like a bennet for cryo dps characters?
scarlet stone
Still, all Im saying is in the present. She is new, so cant talk about the past, and I cant read the future either. All I can do is give a decently objective judgement on what she is currently.. I will still roll her, and will follow her strictly through this whole leak process. And will make due adjustments to my impressions.
earnest kestrel
Shenhe 1-pager: https://i.imgur.com/YwvyK5G.png
true forge
Shenhe 1-pager: https://i.imgur.com/YwvyK5G.png
Another (seemingly) kit altering c2
MiHoYo took those Raiden sales to heart it would seem
mystic escarp
Does C2 actually do much? 15% crit damage doesn't feel like a lot, even for freeze teams. The base duration of her ult is also 12s already, so it's long enough to cover most main DPS units' field time
Q damage doesn't look super exciting either once the 5/7 stacks of her E are consumed by it, so I don't see great value in the Q duration increase
If anything, I think C1 sounds pretty good as she's an 80 cost unit with a 10/15s E cooldown. That can be rough even in a triple cryo comp
earnest kestrel
C2 isn't much compared to Rosaria's 15% CR
jagged wedge
From the video, her Ult seems like proccing every 2sec-ish(?), doing like 3 slashes per proc. Is that so? Or maybe it's just the animation?
I don't see it proccing every other sec
lapis crow
its every 2.47/2.5 seconds, or 147 frames between the start of each proc
jagged wedge
yea i counted the frame also got around that
assuming 3 instances of damage per proc so probably only proccing 4/5 times(?) so around 12/15 of the smol MV
huh seems pretty low MV
unless wrong assumptions
scenic lily
cryo or phys goblet? which is better?
or would she work best with atk%? i don't fully understand her kit or buffs or how she works
untold stirrup
from what im getting, shenhe adds flat damage on top of attacks kinda like zhongli's hp scaling right ?
so like for example at t10 with 2000 atk she will add 76%x2000 damage on the cryo damage that procs it
hard pendant
what characters would bebgood with shenhe?
desert locust
what characters would bebgood with shenhe?
ganyu ayaka is a given i guess
or any gimmick with chongyun
lost aurora
will shenhe be good with eula ?
hard pendant
does she work like a buffer for cryo damage?
hard pendant
will shenhe be good with eula ?
i think she will be ok because shenhe can shred physical resist
pale root
Day1 Shenhe impressions are pretty awful, as expected right
pale root
will shenhe be good with eula ?
She can probably work on Rosaria slot, in Eula/Baal/Healer/Ros team
between the phys shred, the 15% burst dmg bonus
her "incredible" E flat MV boost will mostly consumed by her own ult on that comp
being 80 energy is still relevent, for raiden reasons
and if your healer slot is also a 80 energy, you can use Wavebreakers fins, and abuse the 620 base atk + max bonus from passive
assuming not signature weapon
untold stirrup
the e mv boost limit is per character not the whole team
pale root
its 5/7 per character?
untold stirrup
yes
pale root
that.. might change something
or maybe not
Ayaka instant shreds the 5/7 charges on her Q
sour oriole
looks okayish if u max it out with 3 cryo characters
pale root
Ganyu will also consume before the CD as well
sour oriole
her E looks powerful if her Q does more than what it does now
