Itto Thread

[reef stump]

Thoma's shield would still be pretty paper with how few NAs Itto does, sadly

[static mural]

i just need the crystallize procs honestly

[reef stump]

Although should still be preferable to Diona just for the uptime

[static mural]

diona has to do two hold Es to match my current ER thresholds

[sturdy crag]

all these mother fuckers locked behind cons

good old days just c0

[velvet shore]

Itto is not con locked lol

How much do you actually know about this character

[sturdy crag]

i know nothing

[spark aurora]

[reef stump]

Itto is very well off at C0 and C1 is pretty bait-y and isn't actually numerically strong current standings

[static mural]

i can play iframe gaming with fish but at what cost of no heals and shield

[reef stump]

You can try Fav Beidou. Provides a shield, provides Crystallize, provides dmg reduction

[steep marsh]

what?

[velvet shore]

I want to test Double Geo Double Electro with Itto Gorou Fischl and Bei but this Abyss is hell on no healer comps

[steep marsh]

[red umbra]

yeah this abyss is kinda annoying

im relying on healing cards LMAO

[reef stump]

Can always look for Bursts heal and 25% max hp restore Abyss Cards if the Corrosion chipping is an issue

[static mural]

i just choked on my water, the calc says i need 289 er

[steep marsh]

[reef stump]

gotta hit that counter, kek

But hey

Fav + ER Sands + EoSF is already 233%

[humble rose]

Raikh do you have any updated damage calcs?

[reef stump]

Nope, I haven't looked into Buff Uptimes yet

and thats pretty much the only thing I need to update

[red umbra]

with the amount of hitlag extension buff uptime and rotation time potentially changes i think

[reef stump]

and a small combo upgrade

[red umbra]

ittos effective uptime is essentially 15/18s lol

[reef stump]

I worked with 14-15s uptime on him for Pre-Release Calcs

[static mural]

apparently you can extend 3s

[reef stump]

Approximating his extension from Raiden and Hu Tao worked out well

[humble rose]

And to kqm standards

[reef stump]

For what it matters yeah, but thats a few clicks

[red umbra]

oh fair

im finding fitting in zl burst isnt so desirable anymore tbh

but i do it sometimes for comfort

split on shieldbot vs dmg zhongli for this abyss especially with the triple kenki

good thing with itto u can go with either

[reef stump]

only with target advantage, otherwise its a loss, already looked into that

[static mural]

i dont do it with itto either

[red umbra]

makes sense

im using it a bit this abyss tho bc hounds are so mobile

and iframes are nice vs the kenkis

[humble rose]

I like to use albedo burst as a finishing move if I don’t want to do a whole another rotation when enemies are already almost dead

[static mural]

the rotation is so crunched up with albedo gorou buff set up i forgo casting zl Q

[humble rose]

ZL burst should be good for same thing

[static mural]

zl and albedo Q are so pretty to look at tho

[reef stump]

Albedo Q is a bit of a tragedy with Spindle

C0 Albedo Q is basically never worth casting in an Itto Comp

even if it was full quadratic

[red umbra]

yeah i use it in the context noir mentioned

but only in that context

[reef stump]

To close out a chamber its certainly neat if it gets the job done

very nice utility actually since it can stop you from messing up your energy for the next chamber

[red umbra]

the downtime in the comp is just so insanely low

there's only rlly time for gorou EQ albedo E

[reef stump]

my rot assumption was:
Gorou E Albedo E ZL E GOrou Q Itto Q

[red umbra]

Oh yeah forgot ZL

[reef stump]

which is 20-22s depending on Itto's hitlag extension

Can also move ZL up front ofc for comfort reasons

[red umbra]

@humble rose are u itto gaming

[steep marsh]

you dont Gorou Q before Albedo E?

[reef stump]

I'm not sure if its worth since that definitely bites into Itto Buff Uptime

[steep marsh]

[reef stump]

Also

by casting Albedo E later

you miss procs on the first rot

Since ZL E Gorou EQ takes like 3.5-4s

[spark aurora]

misses out duration that could be on itto

[inland dagger]

Not playing ZL on Kenkis, is just painful

Even with how much def itto has

and people wants to rely on crystallized shields

[reef stump]

Triple Maguu hits hard as hell

which was one of the reasons I pivoted away from the Crystallize options

and started recommending ZL for the last month

he looks to be optimal for dmg anyway

[inland dagger]

Yeaah, and gorou is not enough heals through corrosion too (as expected)

Like most people who have high investments like me can bruteforce it but I doubt others who dont have that much investment would be the same

[reef stump]

Given Gorou is decently built with regards to DEF

I'd tihnk it should be enough to deal with Corruption on Itto

but he doesn't top up the rest of the Team

[inland dagger]

Oh yeah wait the healing scales with def

Maybe I'll just change gorous geo goblet

that would help a bit

[reef stump]

level also matters

since there is no weapon for Base DEF

so its all from the level

which creates a significant difference between 70 and 90

[inland dagger]

Yeaah

Well people can still opt for 3 geos + diona

or another healer/shield

[reef stump]

DIona' shield doesn't last the entire Itto uptime though

so the last 3-5s you are fully vulnerable

[inland dagger]

Hmm yeah, thats wait makes zhongli's uptime very valuable

Huh maybe full def healer gorou is the way

[static mural]

a 4* def bow would be nice

[reef stump]

Likely want the CR circlet for Fav Procs still

[inland dagger]

Oh and yeah, is fav better than sac?

Esp if youre running mono geo

[reef stump]

DEF Gob over Geo Gob is a DPS loss but Gorous dmg is bad anyway

Fav is better by virtue of taking less field time

energy is pretty much the same between the 2

[inland dagger]

I see

[humble rose]

I need onikabuto

[red umbra]

i would offer but mine are gone

[humble rose]

[velvet shore]

Apparently there are like 79 on the map but my brain can't handle farming them and pearls at the same time

[red umbra]

theyre a pain in the ass to find

[cursive kestrel]

Do we have any data on how good 4pc husk is on itto in comparison to other artifact combinations (including 2pc husk)
how good is the 4pc set bonus basically? Cuz it would be awesome if I didn't have to worry about it

[static mural]

worry about it

[red umbra]

i got like 10% ish vs 2 petra 2 husk?

which is quite a lot

[cursive kestrel]

That is quite a lot lol

[humble rose]

Finding them :HuTaoSadge:

[cursive kestrel]

why though

[reef stump]

Can vary a bit based on Gear but thats the ballpark

[charred crag]

Glad I did beetle prefarm lol, 90 itto and 70/80 gorou. I'm sad that gorou doesn't buff off field, chance that swapping to itto won't snapshot the def buff. This comp is extremely unga bunga esp at c2 itto and I love it, but yikes gorou c4 healing is weaker than I would have hoped for corrosion specifically. Noelle still has a niche xD

[cursive kestrel]

Damn HooD is better than I expected to be honest, kind of a bummer.

[charred crag]

Also have to wait a fraction is a second on albedo to make sure E is gaining buff

[reef stump]

Its basically the only way for them to remotely justify farming new Sets for players with the beyond atrocious drop rates

[static mural]

can we have pins for the combos

[red umbra]

Gorou doesn’t buff off field?

[charred crag]

As long as corrosion doesn't murder the active character, which gorou can offset, gorou c4 is nice for maintaining homa passive on zhongli vs wolves I guess, so upside?

[red umbra]

Ohhh tight

[charred crag]

It has a tick rate similar to Benny where it buffs the active character

[red umbra]

Right

Yh

I get what u mean

Bc if u Q swap u may miss the buff

[charred crag]

Mhm

[red umbra]

Will bear that in mind

[charred crag]

I'm debating if gorou's Q is worth leveling, especially if I'm going to swap to a def cup.

Already using a def sands (still 210 ER) but corrosion is kind of scary and wolves are the only real threat with zhong shield. wtb c6 zhong

[rigid bay]

Onikabutos are actually rather easy to farm so long as you only do the easy to access ones, don't have to go out of the way to get all of em to be honest

[unique rover]

when using itto with def buffer

dont use alt switch

[rigid bay]

There is a few places where they are concentrated in specially

[velvet shore]

I had to stop at c2 Gorou when I lost 50/50 to Jean. I really wanted Gorou's c4

[rigid bay]

It is a real pain for the first run when you don't know where they are by memory, but every subsequent run should be fairly easier

[velvet shore]

That's good to hear

[humble rose]

Meanwhile, opposite of losing 50::50 to Jean

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

I'd offer you my onikabutos but my SO is taking them all

[velvet shore]

Oh no I was absolutely ecstatic when I lost it. I had already gotten Itto and now I don't need to spend for Yae

Win win

[rigid bay]

My support rot combo for Itto now is essentially

Gorou E, Albedo E, ZL E (maybe Q if I want to), Gorou Q > Itto

Since Itto combo for c1 aren't much of known yet, I'm just doing Q> E > SCA5> NA3 > SCA3 > E > SCAF

[charred crag]

I lost a 50/50 to c2 keq when I already had c1 itto and I was happy, then I got spooked by c2 itto 17 pulls later :( now I'm back on 50/50 for hoarding until kazoo rerun.

But c6 gorou so 👍

[rigid bay]

Still waiting for c6 Gorou myself, lol

[velvet shore]

You're still c5?

[rigid bay]

I'm C4

After like

190 pulls

⚰️

[analog obsidian]

One more gorou cons

And I'll get 100k ushi

[velvet shore]

One of my 10 pulls had 3 Barbs and 1 XL

I was livid

[rigid bay]

Lol I had one such pull it was like

1 barb 1 xiangling 1 rainslasher 1, fav lance

At that point I'm just like

Game are you taking the piss out of me?

[velvet shore]

Honestly yours sounds way better. At least Fav and Slasher are useful

Meanwhile My c22 Barbs hasn't seen play in months

And I despise XL

[somber sandal]

kinda good depending on primo count or if don't need more copies of gorou + want someone else coming soon

[rigid bay]

To be fair it was equally painful to get slapped by 9 Barbara's while already having c6 of her lmaoo

On that noge

Note

I have essentially 50 pulls spacing to try get Gorou C6 before Itto comes again

Tho if it's meant to be and he comes home early, that's fine

Will always welcome a geo family consts

[median birch]

You guys think it's worth to risk a guarantee for more gorou cons? He's at c1 rn

[rigid bay]

[charred crag]

Lmao, I spent everything I had (230) to get c6 gorou, and I just spent 20 more rolls on weapon banner from the 9001 barbs and XLs I got... Saw a 5* on the second 10pull... but it was harp xD. Oh well, still have r5 SS, and harp is a nice weapon.

[velvet shore]

Do you want anyone in 2.4 or 2.5?

[analog obsidian]

Finally got sayu on weapon banner

[charred crag]

Wew overworld champ

[analog obsidian]

The speen

She's now permanently in my farming team

[median birch]

I want kazuha at least, ganyu I'm on the fence abt.

[velvet shore]

Then don't risk it. Pulling for 4* is always a major gamble as me a xanrai can atest

[median birch]

True true, thanks a lot

[rigid bay]

Consider it like this

If you are willing to pull a 4 star on a banner

You are also willing to accept the risk of getting the banner's 5 star

So if you don't want to, don't try to

[ancient pecan]

gorou also doesn't get much from constellations besides c6 i think

just having him is enough

[median birch]

Ok understood since itto's c1 doesn't offer all that much

On another note he's really fun to play

Tho I'm forced to play on mobile rn so it's still pain

[rigid bay]

C1 really isn't much of DPS contribution other than being a key that allows you to not give a shit how much stacks Itto has as you use your Q, which also means that your combos are generally a lot more consistent than those of C0

[median birch]

Ic so it's a qol con

[muted arrow]

somehow got c0 itto while getting c6 gorou

[trim willow]

I'm c4 gorou after about 170 pulls

[charred crag]

It's not itto, but swapping back to c6 Noelle for husk domain spam and c6 gorou brought her from 20-30k NAs to 30-40k

That's a pretty bonkers improvement for my OG mono geo waifu... and way more comfortable against wolf stages

[inland dagger]

Imagine the temptation running through my fingers, I am now guaranteed and at C5 gorou. Just one more.. But we must resist because we ain't heavy spenders

[median birch]

Yep, the reality of non whales

[hollow yarrow]

i have a similar dilemma

c4 gorou but 10 pulls away from soft pity

issue: I have already wasted 230 pulls in itto banner and i still need kazuha and yae

[ancient stone]

I've done like 140 rolls on itto banner, got skemmed by keq, and i still don't have itto

at least i have guaranteed, but god damnit

and i managed to get c2 gorou

[got like 11 constelations for xiangling instead GOD DAMNIT]

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

Rough life out here for Itto land

[trim willow]

I got qiqi'd before I got itto

[ancient pecan]

so now that he released
is sac greatsword itto any good? does it enable any combos or change anything about how he is played?

[turbid dagger]

Not really. He's got a low cooldown on Ushi anyways. Just makes his DPS worse.

[charred crag]

Still using placeholder 2AP2husk, but it's funny how the CR ended up lol. Itto still needs a lot of work

[thin wadi]

Hi!! Which one would y’all choose for itto?? Knowing he’s lacking a bit crit rate he has around 58% crit rate with his current sands

[red umbra]

Who her is skipping itto ?

[static mural]

the second piece has better subs but if you are losing too much crit rate stick with the one thats higher

[ancient stone]

you chose the wrong place to ask that
this is itto land

[ancient stone]

probably the first

[rigid bay]

The second one has higher total CV coming at 21 compared to the 1st having only 14, and not to mention the 2nd one also have ER which Itto could use, and to a certain degree, that ATK% substat as well.

Oh wait im blind

The 1st one have 28 CV

What's your ratio at anyway

[thin wadi]

alright, thanks for the answers!

[thin wadi]

58.8/248.6

those ~60% just really dont feel like 60% 💀 seeing those noncrits hurts a lot

[rigid bay]

Definitely lol

Having insanely high crit rate, while we don't have big ass numbers

Is so comfortable cause it's pretty much guarantee to be those numbers

[rigid bay]

Okay yeah you'd want more crit rate and the 1st one have higher CV anyway

So use the 1st one

[static mural]

id argue the stat priority on itto is er>crit

[thin wadi]

i switched some artifacts around and stole Albedo's flower, Itto is at 67.7/236.1 now

[thin wadi]

he has 140% er rn, that should be enough right? +the other geo dudes in the team

[static mural]

yeah thats more than enough

[thin wadi]

[analog obsidian]

Itto is a great character and all but his mats are so goddamn stupid
Need book of elegance
Weapon needs Ying Yang lookin thing
Tf mhy

[rigid bay]

You're not real Itto main till u hav 200% er

[primal wing]

Fav greatsword gaming

[atomic sundial]

I have 54 CR rn

and im definitely feeling the pain

of my shit not critting

[thin wadi]

[charred crag]

As high as I've got so far from 4husk

[charred crag]

Lol true consistency

[storm tulip]

only if you are not running 4 geo

i'm at 105 and ulting on rotation 100% of the time, very rarely I need to ushi before Q due to particle rng, but er issues are nonexistant for 4 geo from my experience

especially if gorou gets a second fav proc for me, since I have c2 zhong I use his Q+tap E instead of hold E, so it is basically perfect distance between fav 6 second cooldown so I get 2 procs if I crit on gorou E and then Q

[patent galleon]

i also have 105% er on my Itto, and i can run just triple Geo+flex and still get my Ult up on CD

zhongli/Gorou with Gorou using R5 Fav bow

only situation id see Itto struggling with ER is if ur maybe running just double Geo.

[rigid bay]

Why do Q and tap E when you can Q and hold E for double the omega shield for no reason

Honestly at this point I just need to make it a muscle memory to do Gorou E > Albedo E > Zhongli E Q > Gorou Q > Itto

Whereas sometime I get a brainfart and just either go full Gorou Q from the get go or Zhong Li E Q > Itto immediately lmao

[primal wing]

Yo can someone give me a link to the doc with the weapon calcs in leaks-faq?

[static mural]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_YeQTjQWnIuaZznoABPh7xDEunnVN6l4ANasrrJMsbc/edit#gid=366138384

[primal wing]

Thanks!

[charred crag]

For C1+, how many normals would you build before doing a second CA string in order to fit a second ushi in? Assuming you start with Q>E>hold CA>(X)NA>CA>E

I'd preferably like to get a second final CA hit in rather than cut it short in order to hit a second E, so trying to figure it out. So many damage numbers on screen when trying out a real rotation makes it hard to count my stacks or even really see what's going on though lmao

[rigid bay]

One string I've tried that is pretty consistent is the following;

Assuming 0 stacks entering - Q > E > SCA5 > NA3 > SCA3 > E > SCAF

You can technically get SCA6 on the first SCA combo, as you will have 5 from the C1 coming in, and Ushi's on cast, but as far as personal observation goes, it's super tight and hard to do right, so I just assume it's always SCA5. By the time you finish doing the combo at SCAF, the ultimate will end roughly a split second after

oh wait

okay, yeah (thought i misread something)

[storm tulip]

I almost always can get 2 ushis doing E->SCA(however many stacks you end up getting) NA4 SCA5 ushi

and this usually leaves you with stacks to do SCA8+ at beginning of following Q rotation

ushi has been getting hit quite consistently for me, I've gotten a SCA12 combo once

[rigid bay]

I honestly don't do N4 because the final one takes pretty long to execute, I'm not sure if the MV value is worth the frametime

[storm tulip]

and when you get those super long combos it is when it is worth interrupting your second combo to fit ushi in and then go back imo

since ushi is like 2.5 arataki slashes

[rigid bay]

Real enactment of this string

I need to get myself OBS with all this recording I'm doing lol

[spark aurora]

this waa sent to tc but i'll send it to this thread

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/921002203425157140/RPReplay_Final1639654327.mov

[rigid bay]

Already seen, hah

[spark aurora]

41 slashes

[rigid bay]

Thus far I like the string that I've come up with for now as it's essentially very precise in timing as the ult ends right after SCAF is executed

It does however mean that if any additional SCA gets in from the initial combo, the string will get fucked up

and that means from Ushi getting hit, essentially

[spark aurora]

yeah i've been doing this as well, since even if n4 is slightly stronger i hate slowing down in the middle of itto's flurry

[rigid bay]

if this happens, il adjust my strings like that of zack's, doing N4 SCA5 and then E, essentially what il default to if i detect the initial combo lasting longer than it should

yep kek

this string of mine is hard to execute on mobile though, im sure because every string of actions in this combo must be taken precisely at the right timing

fuck up one part of it, the whole thing derails

[storm tulip]

either way, for my itto i usually just 1-2 rotation stuff anyways, so I havent tried to optimize TOO much, usually if things arent dead zhong meatball finishes them off

like kenki's just die in 1 rotation

[rigid bay]

lmao same, for my case i just want it so that my final blow is just

mere split seconds before ult ends

call it OCD, if u will

stability wise, yours is simpler and easier to execute as it doesnt take as much input from the player tbh

so id probably prefer that if i was on mobile

[patent galleon]

what the fuck

[storm tulip]

and I have been really impressed by itto, he has been clearing faster than my c2 raiden, his charge atks keeping doggos in place while raiden pushes them back is such a huge difference

[steep marsh]

LMAO, WTF?

[rigid bay]

The fact that his SCAs actually keeps enemies that was hit close to him though is a surprising mechanic

And I even daresay essential

[rigid bay]

come on

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

pull out ur wallet

[steep marsh]

Keqing sad noises

[storm tulip]

btw guys that is actually still a decent chance iirc, getting to like 36 slashes from c6 was 33% chance iirc from my calcs back then

[patent galleon]

i knew his C6 was complete rng so in theory it can keep going, but jesus that guy won the lottery on it

[rigid bay]

to be honest, ignoring the dps aspect

the sheer amusement one can get from that

makes me want to go for it

[storm tulip]

the average is 17 slashes

[analog obsidian]

C6 momento

[rigid bay]

then again, raiden is (sus leak) rumored to be coming, so idk even

[storm tulip]

I'm going to save for him, getting yae c0 in the meantime (maybe her catalyst if it is also good for ning), but I'm saving to c6 on rerun, itto has been the most fun I've had since kazuha release

[rigid bay]

noice

[analog obsidian]

Itto can hit weak spot tf

[patent galleon]

i mean his C6 is like Xiao's, but better in literally every way. not only does it give an upfront dmg increase (+70% crit dmg lmao) but its not conditionally proc'd and has more reliability. so tbh for those who can afford it, id say its worth compared to alot of other C6's.

[storm tulip]

yup, albedo blossom can too and gorou Q too, it is just iffy

[rigid bay]

fuck it

jk

i aint

il just work itto to c2 for now if i can ( have guarantee, but a bit far from pity)

and save for his reruns in the future

i hope no new geo comes along the way

[patent galleon]

most limited 5* characters in this game dont have very good C6's IMO, or alternatively they are jank C6's. the few exceptions id make would be Eula/Itto and kinda Xiao ( tho his is Jank as fuck)

[steep marsh]

dude, he can consistently hit in Venti's Q

[storm tulip]

(cyno might be geo and will probaby come along the way)

[rigid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-eye-dont-give-me-hope-clint-barton-avengers-gif-14260447

[storm tulip]

but as a geo main I need c6 itto in my life right now, he is just too much fun

[analog obsidian]

Ik that I didn't know he can hit the weak spot too

[rigid bay]

countless times ive been told cyno shouldnt be geo

so dont give me hope

[primal wing]

I mean the thing on his belt does look like a pyro vision imo

[patent galleon]

speaking of swiping.

[analog obsidian]

Epcio

[rigid bay]

okay time out

[storm tulip]

well, from the story trailer, every character so far has had their splash art in game, cyno has sand around him, so sand geo char

[rigid bay]

please see urself out

[storm tulip]

[rigid bay]

ME WITH A C4 GOROU

AEAAEAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[primal wing]

[storm tulip]

I'm at c3 after 170 pulls

[patent galleon]

1 qiqi, 1 Itto, 1 Diluc later

[rigid bay]

we're in the equal boat, 190 pulls at c4

[primal wing]

Got c6 Gorou in 80 pulls

[rigid bay]

[analog obsidian]

100 pulls c5 gorou

[primal wing]

I used up all my luck for next year

Time to get C1 Qiqi

[patent galleon]

at least now i have a guarantee for Yae. just hope i can afford Kazuha as well if rumors are to be believed

[rigid bay]

I'm stuck in a catch-22 essentially;

I will be happy if there is new geo because it means new family member, but sad I cannot save for future C6 Itto,

or

I will be happy because I can get C6 Itto for the amusement and fun, but sad there's no new geo to play with

[patent galleon]

no guarantee that the new Geo will synergize with what we have now tho, look at Yunjin.

[rigid bay]

The worst case scenario is new geo with Itto rerunning on 2nd banner

Ultimate fuck you to me

[rigid bay]

It's not about the synergy, it's about my geo family

[steep marsh]

90 pulls Gorou C3

[analog obsidian]

Epico

[steep marsh]

I mean, Yunjin does synergizes with Noelle and Gorou
just not so much with Itto

[patent galleon]

whats the point of a Geo family if they cannot be together

[rigid bay]

I think it'd be like Gorou essentially

part of her power becomes irrelevant due to incompatible comp

but hey, thats fine personally

[patent galleon]

Gorou 2.0 but attack scaling buffs

ningguang players malding

[storm tulip]

btw do you have c6 bennet by any chance?

[rigid bay]

I kinda wish we have separate channels split for TCing, like based on element or some shit so we dont have to have the moshpit that is the main TC channel

but its not like theres so many of us anyway

[rigid bay]

i do, its just not activated

since....

11 months ago.

[storm tulip]

I've been doing "mono" pyro itto for fun, 38k charged attacks with itto/zhong/benny/kazuha, 4pc petra on itto

[rigid bay]

I don't own Kazuha

[storm tulip]

(i dont have a good 4pc bollide, otherwise I would use petra on zhong and bollide on itto)

btw it is mono pyro cause there is only 1 pyro char

[rigid bay]

lmao

deadass only benny

[storm tulip]

yeah but still really fun that because of kazuha and VV he deals almost as much damage outside of Q than inside benny Q

42k vs 38k slashes

it is just harder to build stacks and no c1, so it is still way worse, but it is funny

and "itto team cant break shields" just use pyro itto

[rigid bay]

its a meme build that still hits hard kek

imagine if theres a constellation that allowed itto to gain stacks on NA while outside Q

pyro itto meta

[analog obsidian]

Itto unironically could be physical dps for no goddamn reason

[storm tulip]

but also, like 130k vapes from going NA2 SCAF

[storm tulip]

at c6 100%

[steep marsh]

btw, Itto CA without stacks is kinda weird

sometime you do a N1 before doing the CA

[storm tulip]

it is a regular slow "final hit" of claymore spin charged atk

[analog obsidian]

Even at c0 he could

With passives n shit

[patent galleon]

i find his no stack CA funny because it feels jank and off. almost like the games way of telling you: "if you see this CA animation ur doing it wrong dumbass"

[spark aurora]

[steep marsh]

[rigid bay]

you'd be abandoning a hella lot of his kits tho but yeah u can technically

[steep marsh]

not wrong

[analog obsidian]

Quite literally

[storm tulip]

yeah, but at c0 it requires benny for sure, at c6 you can probably do a regular superconduct comp with itto/zhong/rosaria+ fischl/raiden/beidou/lisa

[analog obsidian]

Isn't his c6 only procs in Oni mode?

[storm tulip]

nope

all charge atks

[analog obsidian]

Damn

Busted

[storm tulip]

including saichimonji

[analog obsidian]

The cdmg increase only on SCA right?

[storm tulip]

nope

any charge atk

[analog obsidian]

Any ca

[rigid bay]

yep

[analog obsidian]

Imagine if you ushi got it too

[rigid bay]

just the downside is that u need 1k$ to get there, pretty cheap

or u know, a whole ass two years of saving probs

[storm tulip]

I'm at c1 I just need 5 pulls trust

[steep marsh]

[analog obsidian]

With enough copium

You can get another Barbara cons

And get starglitter and use it on wishes

[primal wing]

Just get more money 4head

[storm tulip]

dont I already c6ed barbara and xiangling this banner

[analog obsidian]

To get another Barbara

[spark aurora]

i got 2 xianglings back to back after doing abyss

[storm tulip]

and still c3 gorou

(and i already had them at c6)

[spark aurora]

i got 8 xiangling and 3-4 barbara

[storm tulip]

my first gorou was over 90 pulls into the banner

[spark aurora]

[analog obsidian]

I wanna get itto c1 and he's basically complete

[spark aurora]

i love how itto thread is especially suffering from 4 star luck

[rigid bay]

pog c300 barbara

[steep marsh]

fuck off XL

[rigid bay]

[primal wing]

I kinda wish I had gotten more Xiangling cons tbh. I only needed c4 but getting c6 Gorou before c6 Xiangling (when I've had her for over 400 days) is weird

[spark aurora]

we need an epitomized path for them istg

[analog obsidian]

Next update's event

[storm tulip]

especially since they didnt even put sara on the banner

[primal wing]

Fav warbow refinements for Gorou

[storm tulip]

they did it with thoma and sayu

was ass that they didnt do it for sara

[steep marsh]

I already had a R5 before pulling

[rigid bay]

my ass got rosaria

out of nowhere

like what the fuck ur not even in this banner

LOL

[storm tulip]

i wouldnt be so upset if i got constellations on sara instead of gorou, but looking for just one 4 star char is pain

[analog obsidian]

I got xq and barb to c6 in this banner

[steep marsh]

got XQ C3
not complaining

[analog obsidian]

So it is gud

[steep marsh]

why is Sara not on this banner?

[analog obsidian]

And sayu, finally achieving speen

[rigid bay]

and then theres the few who pulled like 1 10 and got 7 gorou in one go

or idk,

one 10 on weapon banner and redthorn

[spark aurora]

i dont acknowledge their existence

[rigid bay]

[spark aurora]

oh yeah

someone got redhorn at 1 pity

[analog obsidian]

[storm tulip]

I'm not even gonna try for redhorn right now

i already have r2 harp i dont need 5% extra cdmg on it

[spark aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/saki-miyanaga-saki-anime-saki-anime-cute-gif-18013758

[rigid bay]

[rigid bay]

id love to even put one 10 inside it

except i need all i can for gorou

[storm tulip]

yup same

like I can spend some first time purchases this banner, but I only spend on banners last day, I already have itto and gorou, so I can wait and see if I get lucky till end of banner

[patent galleon]

sara will prob come soon on a future banner

or you can cope and hope she comes with Yae

[rigid bay]

i hope my pulls explode

and somehow shit out 3 ittos

hey, i can daydream okay

[storm tulip]

at this point I'm convinced she will

[patent galleon]

best i ever got was Double Xiao in one 10 pull

[storm tulip]

and I can save throughout the whole of next patch since the only char I care about is yunjin and I can get constellations later since we get her from lantern rite for free

[rigid bay]

i want to experience

two 5 stars in one at least once

[storm tulip]

I've had a lot of 5 stars within 10 pulls, but never on the same 10 pull

[rigid bay]

hell, i never even got early pity for all that matters

my early wish got nuked, i didnt do this early

[storm tulip]

my standard banner average pity is at 32

[rigid bay]

but yes, never a single early, never a double 5 star

[storm tulip]

[patent galleon]

yunjin being free is a come up . even tho i dont know where id use her, her design is 5*

[storm tulip]

she gets so much more love than shenhe i find it hilarious

[rigid bay]

shame shes not someone you'd probs be doing NA with

like man

why do she have such beautiful animation

but her skills are the primary focus

[storm tulip]

mihoyo doesnt give a crap about shenhe, her animations are boring, yunjin's are top tier, yunjin gets featured in teasers, she gets the abyss buffs for leylines

[rigid bay]

lets be honest, who the fuck cares about shenhe at this point

its been difficult for us to see

what exactly is mihoyo;s intention

[storm tulip]

just wait for geo bennet/chongyun

[rigid bay]

with her

[storm tulip]

[rigid bay]

damn this amount of copium

but yeah, all in all, having itto in the family was and will always be an exciting moment

its my first time actually having and using a 5 star dps

[patent galleon]

i remember when i was hyped about Yunjin being an Anemo Bennett/sara

[rigid bay]

and heres to the future hoping for even better 5 stars for my geo family

[rigid bay]

lol swear to god i did hear old leaks about her being geo but then people are like

no fuckin way shes one with that design

look at us now

[storm tulip]

geo 5 star waifu when, I love you ning, but when we get an actual 5 star and not you hidden as a 4 star

[rigid bay]

[storm tulip]

[rigid bay]

oh yeah female 5 star geo is not a thing yet

[patent galleon]

well in all her leaked art her vision was anemo/cryo-ish colored. even the gouba video had the same color lol.

[storm tulip]

nope, only element without a 5 star female char

[rigid bay]

mihoyo knew and was rickrollin yall

[patent galleon]

yup

[rigid bay]

deadass i feel like we're next to electro of being an element thats forgotten until now

[storm tulip]

and yelan doesnt look geo, cyno is probably geo if that is truly his splash art, so I dont see a 5 star female geo char in the horizon

[patent galleon]

i woulda swiped hard if she was anemo Bennett

[storm tulip]

[rigid bay]

to be fair

no one saw itto coming apart from the sign boards

and no one knew he'd be geo

[storm tulip]

1 year again until next geo char after yunjin

[rigid bay]

heres hoping one of the future leaked and unknown models of girls

are geo 5 stars

[rigid bay]

tbh i dont think there'll ever be a 2nd bennett

he brings so much to the table its funny

[patent galleon]

well anemo sara would be the better term

[steep marsh]

isnt that kinda unlucky? most people have their average close to 60 right?

[spark aurora]

toro dont kick him while he's down

[rigid bay]

⚰️

[steep marsh]

nah, i'm just curious

[rigid bay]

to be honest

u know why i havent complained about being unlucky?

i did win 50/50 4 times consecutively, its just not shown on the wish cuz way before

and for c1 itto as well

so i figured

all my luck went there

[onyx junco]

what is this page?

[rigid bay]

paimon.moe

a site that u can upload ur wish history

and have it displayed with proper details

[storm tulip]

you can complain, I've won 50/50 8 times in a row (broke streak with mona in itto banner) and got c3 kazuha in 80 pulls and c2 raiden in 60 pulls, here you go, complain all you want

[rigid bay]

⚰️

[primal wing]

I want Albedo powercreep

[rigid bay]

il take my coffin and die somewhere else

[spark aurora]

ur not real

[patent galleon]

i still dont have mona at all

[primal wing]

I have a friend who's won 8 50/50s, but not in a row wtf

[patent galleon]

[rigid bay]

im just gonna have to hope my gacha gets lucky in the future

[sharp sinew]

I've lost all 50/50s since I started the game

[storm tulip]

I know someone who is currently on 12 50/50 streak win

[patent galleon]

[storm tulip]

but they want keqing

so they are sad they cant get a chance at her even

[patent galleon]

https://streamable.com/punlhe needless to say im still on Bolide, but C6 gorou kinda pog fam.

[rigid bay]

Are u just shitting on my grave at this point

[patent galleon]

you got time bro, i believe in the double gorou pull 🙏

[spark aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-genshin-impact-genshin-hu-tao-genshin-hu-tao-genshin-impact-gif-22479250

[rigid bay]

Lmao

But yeah I think I've probs got like

[storm tulip]

if you have welkin we get like 30 more pulls till end of banner iirc

[rigid bay]

30 pulls coming way (20 from daily n welkin, kinda) 5 from shop January, and the rest from event

Yeap

[storm tulip]

we still have another abyss reset and month shop reset

[rigid bay]

Wait where does 30 come from for welkin lol

U meant 20?

[storm tulip]

no, my internet is just laggy and didnt write shop reset and abyss reset

[rigid bay]

Ah right

But yeah, that's what I assumed too

The probability outlook seems low

But guess il just see

[storm tulip]

cumulative variance, they will all come together trust

[rigid bay]

i do technically have the whole ass inazuma almost in pristine condition untouched

so if my drive for gorou is insane enough, i could blow through them all

my sakura tree lv.10

once i get the treasure compass

im gonna b a literal pirate

[charred crag]

Is there any room in the rotation for zhong Q if zhong isn't c2? I'm up to 100k meteors but I'm not sure if it's an overall dps loss with how much itto is capable of doing lol

[rigid bay]

I assume you want to do hold E and q?

[charred crag]

Yeah

[rigid bay]

lemme give that a try with my string

[rigid bay]

yeah theres room and if ur doing 100k per meteor its pretty nice addition to the DPR

[reef stump]

If it has target advantage it can be a gain but if you don't hit more targets than Itto does with it its usually a loss

[rigid bay]

because this rot support im using was based off initially had zhong E and Q included anyway

^ explained better than i could say

[unique rover]

I am struggling on energy

But it's prolly because I don't have enough cr on my fav holders

[rigid bay]

it might also be because you're fighting in a scenario where theres not much enemy to contribute extra particles, alongside aforementioned insufficient cr on ur fav bow

whats ur comp and whats ur itto ER?

[unique rover]

Dugtrio + zl and it's 105%

[chrome rapids]

low on energy? just get c2

[unique rover]

I want yae/ayato too

[chrome rapids]

Jk

Same

My itto deals 30k per slash

mona gorou zhongli

[rigid bay]

Hmm, yeah, you'd want some ER added to that tbh

as the stable baseline is 130%

[unique rover]

My

Flower and sands are shte

[rigid bay]

thats fine

[static mural]

105 er shit

[rigid bay]

time will eventually give you better pieces

[inland dagger]

Is mona a good option on a hypercarry itto team? (Itto Zhongli Gorou)

[rigid bay]

just that it'd probably be after like 5 years

[inland dagger]

I always see mona rather than benny

[unique rover]

Yes

Because dmg bonus

[spark aurora]

how much ER would she need there btw

[static mural]

er calc time

[unique rover]

Since itto already has so much atk

[rigid bay]

mona wouldnt be too good, technically

as u have to remember her omen is very short

as its meant for frontloaded burst dmg

itto isnt one

[unique rover]

Right...

Anws

[rigid bay]

i mean

u can consider throwing ushi in there i guess

[charred crag]

Still need a lot of talent mats but it's fun so far

[spark aurora]

coulda added an extra SCAF at the end there

for maximum unga

[charred crag]

Yeah I'm still practicing

[storm mauve]

what is scaf

special charged attack?

[static mural]

hold on this is..with favonius

[unique rover]

Mona is turret type?

[static mural]

basically an 2eosf and an er sands would do the trick

[unique rover]

I thought she only generates particle after last hit of e

[primal wing]

Pretty sure yea

When it explodes

[unique rover]

[static mural]

rip

[rigid bay]

final string of the SCA

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

where he essentially plunges

[rigid bay]

essentially if anyone wanna be in dugtrio team

they gotta do eosf

that and an ER weapon

[unique rover]

Maybe a c1 gorou is a really nice qol

So 2 e's per rot

[storm mauve]

ahhhh

so Special Charged Attack Final

[static mural]

even if mona got all the possible sure stats its stil not hitting

the er req

er ascension+2eosf+er sands+fav lv90= 249 er total

[unique rover]

Can you

Try 2 fav procs

[static mural]

ye

[unique rover]

Hmm

Idk

[rigid bay]

mega monkaS

[unique rover]

We need another geo buffer

[rigid bay]

oh look

yunjin and fav r5

[unique rover]

She's not a geo buffer

[rigid bay]

just cram everyone in

[unique rover]

She's a geo that buffs

[static mural]

we could ask toro if the mona bug still existss

https://imgur.com/OUu1msK

@steep marsh is the mona bug still a thing or did it get patched

[unique rover]

How does that work

[static mural]

#834184944674537493 message

look into this

[unique rover]

Hmmm so it is pretty unreliable/not abusable

[static mural]

its sus

but the er calc puts mona as a turret gen so there must be smth im missing

its zak calc too so its quite credible in that regard

[unique rover]

Lesson of the day

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

U need 60+ energy reqs char that is not geo to use 4eosf with 200+ er

[rigid bay]

tbh I might go EoSF gorou

so i can just like

unga bunga Q whenever

[spark aurora]

my gorou has 210% er

def sands

[rigid bay]

220% for me

wut

[spark aurora]

[unique rover]

Not yalls gorou built

[rigid bay]

imagine having NO with ER in it

[unique rover]

I have one sands

But it is on bennett

[rigid bay]

i might just go rainbow

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

its not like NO contributes much for itto and the team does it

[unique rover]

If 5% increase is big then it's big, if not then it's small

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

I want a nob that buffs team def

More itto buff

[steep marsh]

no idea, I dont play Mona is overworld

btw, just 36* this abyss with Itto

he is super fun, goddamn

imagine if I had a real set

[low valve]

this

i cannot get enough of the man

[unique rover]

Some day, some day

[steep marsh]

tho, corrosion is a bit annoying for Dugtrio with ZL

[low valve]

consistent 50k slashes only problem is overworld mobs one shot by each slash

[steep marsh]

[low valve]

so you clear the camp

[unique rover]

Just punch them with ushi and ur dandy

[low valve]

and have 10sec left of ult uptime

sadge

bull even worse do 100k

[rigid bay]

lol deadass u touch the enemy with one slash and they just like

poof

and unexist

[patent galleon]

i cant wait until this abyss changes tbh so i can run the mono geo with albedo, the timing of this abyss along side a mostly Geo themed patch is kinda

[spark aurora]

kenki kicked my ass

[unique rover]

True that

[spark aurora]

had to go triple hp zhongli

[unique rover]

I'm trying to change my zl build suddenly

[steep marsh]

yeah, he was breaking my ZL shield kinda easy

[spark aurora]

xingqiu's dmg reduction rly saved my ass on kenki team with hutao

[rigid bay]

but yeah do we know how much NO 4 gorou really provides to the team dpr

[storm tulip]

it is worth casting as long as it isnt literally in 1 single target

[rigid bay]

i think i might just go for rainbow set for highest substat on ER and CRT

[unique rover]

If I can't get through with kenkis I might resort to xiao

[storm tulip]

even if it is just 1, depending on the enemy keeping them in place is also super relevant

[red umbra]

yeah triple kenki is hard to facetank u gotta go like 50k hp zl

[patent galleon]

i was wondering what the actual viability of Burst zhongli is in practice?, pre-release TC said that it should be ok since Itto has such crazy DEF, and Geo res/ToM. can his shield really hold up in abyss 12?

[rigid bay]

me: u guys dont bring zhongli?

[unique rover]

Totm can't be activated fully too since no construct

[storm tulip]

zhong Q is just almost never a dps loss if it is not a full HP build, I hate that shit, the fucking spreadsheet people saying it is a dps loss almost seem like they dont play this game, just keeping enemies in place has almost always huge value

[turbid dagger]

I think the bigger issue with burst Zhongli is that it makes rotations tighter.

[red umbra]

it's a dps loss on paper but it does have some uses

this abyss especially

[steep marsh]

yeah, i'm feeling that ZL is kinda of a must for Itto ngl

[spark aurora]

in practice? i rarely burst with him unless multiple enemies, or in this abyss, to petrify the wolves from attacking me while i do itto's ult animation

[storm tulip]

I've been using atk/geo/crit and not having shield breaks, although I have c3 zhong so talent 13

[unique rover]

Zl burst for iframes

[red umbra]

it's pretty dumb to do in ST but in aoe it's good

[unique rover]

[spark aurora]

yea

[red umbra]

it helps with mobile enemies like the hounds

and iframes are nice vs kenki

even if the dmg isn't good

[spark aurora]

it's a nice thing to have, but if you're in need of more shield hp u can go full hp without missing too much

[patent galleon]

the Kenki floor i feel he needs triple HP, but i suppose on other floors his shield wouldnt be so weak with Burst build

[spark aurora]

yeah easily tanks everything

[rigid bay]

fuck it im just gonna go rainbow gorou

[spark aurora]

except kenki

[rigid bay]

i want to maximize my CRT and ER

with substats

EEEEEEEEEEEEE

[spark aurora]

reeeee

atleast go 2emblem tho for 20% er

[rigid bay]

oh right

[storm tulip]

even kenki you should be fine with HP/geo/crit with ToM tbf, iirc my t13 zhong atk/geo/crit ToM shield = full HP no ToM t10 or hp/geo/crit+ToM t10

[red umbra]

i value being able to facetank a lot for dps tho

[rigid bay]

time to snag my xiangling's crit rate circlet emblem

[red umbra]

especially when u have someone like itto

who has long combos

[storm tulip]

and I dont get extra shield from c2 in itto rotation since i never hold E

[storm tulip]

yeah, but that is what i do

[spark aurora]

yeah really this problem of zhongli's shield breaking only exists in 3kenki

[red umbra]

my ZL is only t8 E tbf but with 45k facetanking kenki is still not always possible

[spark aurora]

next abyss we gucci

[red umbra]

in general i go with burst build tho

[patent galleon]

i feel ur C1/2 is helping you more tho since two pillars for ToM uptime and auto shield refresh on Q which is huge

@storm tulip

[red umbra]

talent levels too

from c3

[storm tulip]

i dont use c1 or c2 for extra shield on itto comp

[rigid bay]

me with c2 zhongli:

[steep marsh]

34k HP ZL

[storm tulip]

you only have 1 pillar up because pillar+albedo flower+ushi ever

[rigid bay]

im too lazy to farm another tom set adc so i just shieldbot still

[patent galleon]

i mean still, getting a fresh shield every time you Q is very handy

[rigid bay]

[storm tulip]

and i dont use hold E i just do tap E+Q

in itto comp specifically it is just c3 giving me more shield

ToM uptime is fixed by other constructs, only when you dont have other constructs does c1 ever truly matter for it

and you can usually only take advantage of c1 if you have c2

because doing tap E into hold E is a lot of time with no shield

since that needs to happen every single rotation

c2 helps where you just tap E Q, use someone else's abilities and then go back to zhong for second E

[turbid dagger]

I thought the pillar was stele...

[charred crag]

(also 80/80 tl8)

[storm tulip]

it is

i meant ushi, fixed it now

[rigid bay]

behold

my "fuck it idk wht im doing anymore" gorou

[charred crag]

Hm

More CR probably wouldn't hurt, and you should need less ER than that xD

[rigid bay]

idk wys i think he needs more ER

[charred crag]

This is my crit/def/def 4NO build, hasn't had any problems getting Q back though the C4 healing is still pretty bad tbh.

[little quiver]

Just pour ER through his veins, nothing else matters

[rigid bay]

I want to try and achieve like

100% CR while still having 220%+ ER

but yeah that aint gonna be easy

[charred crag]

Sounds fun, maybe aim for like 75-80 first

And work your way from there

[steep marsh]

70k Ushi 👀

[storm tulip]

I'm at 180% with r5 fav bow and ulting on cooldown

Def/geo/crit

68/120

[rigid bay]

dank

[storm tulip]

4pc noblesse

[rigid bay]

yeah i never farmed much of noblesse

[storm tulip]

Clam pieces have a use

[rigid bay]

so maybe il touch that after like idk

4 months

[steep marsh]

could have more CR

[storm tulip]

3 gets you 1 noblesse

[rigid bay]

true i suppose

but yeah this set i was using on gorou

is just me fuckin about

it costed me a fair few artis

but why not

[rigid bay]

pretty noice

on my normal set this is my gorou's stats kek

[trim willow]

Is noblesse best if you have the er?

I've been doing 2 pc husk 2 pc emblem

[steep marsh]

I dont see the point in husk tbh

Gorou is already doing negligible dmg

[trim willow]

C4 healing

[steep marsh]

C4 seems kinda copium ngl

[placid elk]

can some of you show more gorou stats, including defense? 👀

[patent galleon]

it is

it honestly makes next to no difference against corrosion

i guess it be nice for passive healing under normal circumstances (no corrosion) but tbh in those situations i hardly see Itto ( or the party) taking much if any dmg at all

[storm tulip]

Cause it is

He has like no healing

With close to max invested healing it will tick for like 1500, it is pretty awful

[patent galleon]

if you were to go full Def/Husk he could heal decently, but it come at the complete cost of ER/Burst Uptime.......and he needs his burst to heal anyway

so either way its trash

[storm tulip]

In 4 geo you can do 4husk def/def/hb easily and get 100% uptime on Q, but that requires some very good crit rate subs

Also between def/def/def and def/def/hb there is basically no difference, it is very minor

[patent galleon]

not worth the effort tbh IMO

[storm tulip]

Yeah

Just get zhong c6

If you really need healing

[patent galleon]

i feel like the healing only exists as a low effort bait to fool people into pulling for it thinking its good

especially with corrosion in abyss

[storm tulip]

It was there to help with itto c4

Now it has no use

[patent galleon]

old Itto C4

[median birch]

What was his old c4 again?

[storm tulip]

25% crit rate on charge atks (or on everything during Q, dont recall exactly now) vs enemies with equal or lower percentage of HP

so stay at full health= 25% free crit rate

[patent galleon]

now his C4 is just a team buff when off Q, which isnt bad i guess by comparison.

but C4 would have been a meme between his crit ascension and another conditional 25%

[storm tulip]

yeah it was 25% during Q vs enemies with equal or lower percentage of HP

this consteallation+c6 actually made original redhorn r5 be worse than serpent spine r5 at c6

[patent galleon]

thats just under 50% crit rate in some situations for free

[storm tulip]

in basically every situation except doggos

also to note that c6 was also only 50% cdmg they made it 70% so he only lost 15% crit rate technically

[patent galleon]

would have allowed for some easy dmg per screen shot showcases

[trim willow]

Does 4 pc exile gorou help build more energy on itto or is it not that great

[patent galleon]

i dont think it would make a meaningful difference in triple or mono Geo

maybe double Geo with just Itto/gorou it might help

tbh the "energy issues" Itto has are like the "energy issues" people proclaimed Xiao would have IMO, very overplayed and often not a problem so long as you build a decent comp for them.

[somber sandal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/IttoMains/comments/rhp004/c6_itto_40_kasagiri_slashes/
original vod was from here https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oq4y1q7ez?from=search&seid=11163893170730198783&spm_id_from=333.337.0.0

40 damn AKs

[trim willow]

Yeah agreed

[thin wadi]

Hii!! What artifacts are yall putting on Gorou??

[ancient pecan]

4p exile

[thin wadi]

Fly high I don't have any of that 💀

[worldly mango]

4p Noblesse

[steep marsh]

this is a bit annoying

but you are at C6 already, so who cares

[analog obsidian]

+70% cdmg

So

Ye

[whole juniper]

Does 4p HoOD do anything at all for Gorou, or can I break the set bonus for 6% more crit? >_> I do appreciate his c4 healing even tho small, but I dunno if that extra 18% def is gonna matter at all

[spark aurora]

[spark aurora]

u can break the set bonus, he doesnt do much dmg anyways
better to make him better at supporting others than increasing his personal dmg

[primal wing]

Yo no way, another c0 Itto c6 Gorou owner

C6 Gorou helps me cope with the fact that I can't swipe for ss

[reef stump]

DEF only increases his healing and dmg, does nothing for his Buffs

[whole juniper]

Ey nice 😄 yeah c6 Gorou feels awesome

[grizzled kestrel]

Is there anywhere I can see suggested C1 combos ?

[whole juniper]

What counts as a geo construct exactly btw? Does Ushi count?

[grizzled kestrel]

Ushi counts, E from every Geo except Noelle and Gorou count

[static mural]

gorou does not

[grizzled kestrel]

Geo Traveler burst is also geo construct but doesn't count towards limit

[static mural]

you can force ushi to disappear to get the stack immediately if u hit the construct cap

[whole juniper]

Was mainly asking for the new abyss

So it's good to know Ning's counts as well

[steep marsh]

for now i'm doing:
Q -> E -> SCA# -> N3 -> SCA3 -> E -> SCA

[whole juniper]

But maybe Geo MC > Ning for abyss rn just because of the construct bonus? In an Itto team

[grizzled kestrel]

SCA3 is 2 SCA + Finisher right ?

[primal wing]

If it's a geo construct it will simply say so in the talent description

[static mural]

yunjin also has no construct

[primal wing]

They're very explicit about it

[steep marsh]

yeah

[grizzled kestrel]

I have a clip of C1 Itto with
(starting with 2 stacks min) Q -> E -> SCA7 -> N4 (with N2 dash skipped) -> SCA5 -> E -> SCAF

[steep marsh]

that seems kinda tight

[grizzled kestrel]

It is since last SCAF is done past 11s, thanks to hitlag extension
But I have pulled it off several times and am getting consistent with it

I don't have really fast fingers either

https://imgur.com/a/meejM74

I kept the beginning to show where the 2 stacks came from

[steep marsh]

damn

[real phoenix]

you can do this starting with 0 stacks, you just need ushi to get hit

you were overcapped at the beginning of your ult which probably wasted some of the free stacks from C1

An SCA7 is also possible at C0, ushi just needs to get hit, again

[storm tulip]

yeah, casting ushi at beginning wastes 1 stack, but it is obviously always worth casting him

[grizzled kestrel]

I don't really want to rely on Ushi getting hit though
I see it's ok with just 1 starting stack

Which is convenient since this end with Ushi on field and 0 stack, so next rotation will start with 1 stack

Someone told me I don't need to cancel the N2