Itto Thread

[ancient stone]

i wanted zhongli for like, half a year already

flopped hard on his rerun

[little quiver]

He doesn't need zl shield it's just an okay option for the shred but gorou burst + another 4th to provide element should give you enough shield to prevent stagger
But prepare a healer for situation where you don't want to lose time dodging as a 4th if you don't have or C4 gorou isn't enough

[somber sandal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/IttoMains/comments/rg9m24/in_case_youre_curious_ushi_can_be_placed_on_top/

Ushi gigachad

https://www.reddit.com/r/IttoMains/comments/rg6kl5/itto_cryo_infusion/ now someone from asia server get c6 benny

[ancient stone]

[somber sandal]

[whole juniper]

Ok so there's a bit much to scroll through here atm - what are the biggest findings now that he's out for real compared to the pre-theorized stuff?

Also 45 min til EU release hype

[real phoenix]

Hitlag extension is better than we thought but also a nightmare due to inconsistency

[little quiver]

Xanrai said at C1 you can CA right out off burst and it's a 5 stack combo if I understood right

[granite trail]

who are sub-DPS that Itto can drive besides Albedo

to a competitive level at least

[whole juniper]

Beidou?

[zinc tusk]

15 min

[reef stump]

no one really

he is terrible for XQ since he primarily uses CA

Fischl and Beidou work but his greedy field time affects them quite negatively and his comps don't provide Buffs for the two either

Those 3 are absolutely usable with him as a flex slot

but they are not there bc their performance in those comps is good

[whole juniper]

5 min! Good luck 😊

[ancient pecan]

gorou can hold 4p petra to buff them i guess

[grizzled kestrel]

Def scaling sub dps that is not geo when

[ancient pecan]

you could also use cryo resonance with diona + kaeya/rosa to get some free crit and a healer + shielder

[real phoenix]

watching all these itto videos and they always throw ushi outside of ult

[zinc tusk]

you too hope gorou is kind

[reef stump]

seeing Tony To doing that and it still critting for 50k

[real phoenix]

[rigid bay]

Fell asleep after a full satisfaction of playing with Itto

and I dreamt of flying Ushis.

Thanks y'all , way to invade my dreams.

[trim willow]

50k not ult ushi

[whole juniper]

It is tiiiime

[rigid bay]

oh its eu time for itto

good luck eu boys

also

i lost my 2nd 50/50 on attempt for c2 itto

to diluc

[granite trail]

well I guess he'll be needing Albedo then

[rigid bay]

[granite trail]

I hope NA people clutch Albedo before pulling Itto

I wouldn't say Itto has an overwhelming amount of personal damage at least with what combo assumptions I have rn

hence the need to drive a good sub-DPS

[reef stump]

Itto's personal dmg can compete with that of a lot of 5* DPS

[granite trail]

such as

[rigid bay]

I definitely struggle to have my Itto's energy in a co-op setting though to be honest

Though by myself in the right comp, it's a snuggle

[whole juniper]

Phew, first Gorou get

At least I won't be completely without

[rigid bay]

Nice

Personally I'm still trying to get a C6 Gorou

I'm 2 duplicates away

I can actually get C2 Itto if I a bit, but whether it's worth it or not to is still a question I'm thinking about

Mostly for the attempt at C6 Gorou that is

[little quiver]

8 fucking barbara and no Gorou, I even got a Thoma somehow, what the fuck is that banner doing to me

[reef stump]

Xiao and Eula and pretty much everything below them. Once you include C6 Gorou he starts reaching up quite far with regards to raw numbers but will likely lose out in practice since units like Ayaka, Hu Tao and Raiden have higher nuking capabilities.

[rigid bay]

same energy my man

i got juked so fucking hard by barbs and xianglings

in fact, let me just like, do a paimon.moe real quick

[little quiver]

I just want 1 for Noelle, Itto alreay ate a guaranteed pull, plz MHY

[granite trail]

I thought so about Xiao, Eula, Kokomi, Diluc, Keqing but Itto seems to be ST so I'd rather see him compete with other units who reign in ST

[reef stump]

calling his swing range ST is a bit questionable

its not insane

but its still really good

and clearly above average

[granite trail]

it would've been better if he swung it more horizontally

it's certainly not Tartaglia level

or close yeah

[rigid bay]

okay so i just uploaded on paimon moe my wish history

....

9 XIANGLINGS AND 8 BARBARAS

[real phoenix]

what do you think of Ushi's surprising aoe?

[granite trail]

I'm still not sure about calling it above average though

[reef stump]

have yet to look at it personally

[reef stump]

among on-field actually swinging attacks for sure, ofc doesn't comapre to omega range Qs like Ganyu/Kazuha

[rigid bay]

Now that I think about it

Does Ushi do damage to enemies as he pass through

or is it circular aoe around his landing spot

[granite trail]

It feels more like Diluc to me, only since Diluc swings at more AOE-friendly angles

[reef stump]

Dilucs AoE is a lot more cringe

[granite trail]

how so

he has shorter swings yeah

but the angles are more AOE-friendly

[reef stump]

the angles are, the range is still a lot shorter

Already seen clips of Itto effortlessly AoEing down Triple Maguu

normal claymores can't do that with the excpetion of Noelle

[patent galleon]

^

[granite trail]

but don't Itto's CAs go forward and vertical

[reef stump]

the hitbox is still gigantic

its not a normal claymore swing, its way way bigger

speaking about his Q CAs specifically

not his normal attacks

[granite trail]

yeah it is but claymore users generally don't have much AOE coverage in their melee attacks (with the exception of stuff like Beidou skill or something)

yeah I got that

[reef stump]

Sure, regular melee weapon attacks don't have great AoE, but he has quite nice coverage for what it is. Unless enemies actively spread or are stationary on a certain distance from another he will be able to AoE fine

And the scenario where he will have trouble AoEing will also be scenarios where a lot of untis will struggle with consistent AoE

[granite trail]

I've seen some Itto versus Triple Kenki clips and the thing is, he needs the Kenkis to clump themselves (maybe via some AI behavior manipulation or something) without having the means in his go-to team comps to force that in mobbing scenarios; a grouper pretty much

guess you'd have to define what AOE would mean, which is still an ongoing debate ig

there's the scenario where super spread out mobs that spawn in opposite sides of a chamber kind of AOE

there's the kind of scenario with a handful of relatively fat mobs (maybe like the twin ruin guard or geovishaps?)

etc

because in situations where mobs are hugging you like in the clips I saw, quite a few ST-oriented units can still do well

but I'd still call them ST-oriented despite that

[vital tundra]

Yeah you need grouping to actually do AOE damage

Otherwise it’s pretty useless

How wide is his swing compared to normal claymores?

[rigid bay]

It's decently bigger than your average reach for a claymore user

[granite trail]

true

but most claymore users don't really have big swings like a Beidou skill type

or a Noelle ult or something

[rigid bay]

Yeah Noelle's an outlier as she got literal shining excalibur

[whole juniper]

Alright, pretty happy with my pulls 😄 140 pulls, got Itto, Gorou c5 (maybe c6 before banner ends? 🙏), got my XL to c6, only got one barbara (who was c5, so also c6 now). And also Jean c1 which is eh whatever, but now I have guaranteed pity again for whenever I want something new down the road

[rigid bay]

what the fuck c5

[whole juniper]

Yeah, crazy

[rigid bay]

i pulled 190

[granite trail]

are you a C1 Itto haver

[rigid bay]

ONLY C5

c4*

[whole juniper]

I got 6 gorou 4 XL one barb

[whole juniper]

Nah, c0

[granite trail]

you might as well go for C1

you should be pretty close

[whole juniper]

Only had 140 pulls. I'm f2p so nah :p

[granite trail]

and it'll get you Gorou C6 probs

oof

[whole juniper]

I'm happy like this, c0 is totally fine and I'm very close to c6 Gorou. Even if I don't get him this time, I'll get c6 whenever he's in an event, in the shop, or rerun

Also I'm only at like 15 pity after that Jean so I'd have to splurge to get c1

[vital tundra]

Ahh. I mean even then, that’s not too useful for heavy AOE situations. Light AOE with maybe 2 big enemies or maybe a mob or 4 or so small enemies It sounds like he’d be decent. But it’s still useless unless you group them right of top of each other

[granite trail]

yeah pretty much to be an AOE unit, you should be able to handle mobs not needing to squeeze in like sardines in front of you

or at least have the means to force that scenario

[red umbra]

thankfully taunt is decent at grouping

and his final SCA has a large aoe

[onyx junco]

most units in the game are not aoe then

[nocturne sorrel]

anyone tried 12-2-2 with itto? if he can hit 2 of the kenkis consistently i'd consider that good

[vital tundra]

Taunt has been kinda unreliable in my experience

[nocturne sorrel]

otherwise that's yoimiya-tier

[vital tundra]

Since the enemies have to be aggro on the taunt before your character

[red umbra]

fairs

[granite trail]

doesn't need to be in the unit themselves, being able to capitalize on a Venti burst automatically makes a unit AOE viable

can be in the team

[red umbra]

regardless i think his aoe defo feels above average

if only slightly

[rigid bay]

He can hit two of them decently well, yeah, though as mentioned, they will be need to slightly together a bit, but it's not too much of a hassle

[reef stump]

Itto is certainly no room blender, but with regards to looking at AoE within the realm of looking at AAs specifically he is quite well off

[granite trail]

it's good for melee attacks

definitely

[whole juniper]

Also yay first level 90 character, let's go

[reef stump]

Maybe that got out wrong but I'm certainly not comparing him to like full scale huge AOE range abilities

[whole juniper]

Time to be tryhard

[granite trail]

yeah dw, AOE is still a vague term at this point

[red umbra]

yeah he's not a unit where his aoe is the selling point

which applies to someone like xiao or xiangling

even ganyu

[granite trail]

[reef stump]

Like he basically works well on everything that is in a 120 degree cone in front of him or so. He has enough reach to blast enemies in the second line, which is where a lot of regular AAs have issues

[red umbra]

i would say he's slightly worse than raiden aoe wise

[nocturne sorrel]

that doesn't say much since the only aa dps we use are the ones with exceptional reach

[granite trail]

well Raiden's CA is an entire wall that moves forward and her burst is huge

[nocturne sorrel]

noelle, raiden, ayaka CA

[granite trail]

it be like that

[red umbra]

as a childe player i dont think his aoe is worse than childes tbh

[granite trail]

as a Childe player Childe's coverage still feels much better thanks to the riptides

[vital tundra]

Yeah but riptides make a big difference

[whole juniper]

Lol, I was going to put Itto on my team in the lead spot, but kept getting "You can't switch to that character." Wondered what was up, exited party menu, saw that Ning stood under a low cliff. Tall boi wouldn't fit :[

[red umbra]

yeah but that's more in the hydro app department than the damage department

[vital tundra]

Oh @granite trail beat me

[red umbra]

riptides aren't like crazy dmg

outside of heavy mobbing

[sharp sinew]

Me with 8/8/8 Itto and Lvl1 Doggo
https://streamable.com/xg1cag

[granite trail]

riptides are counted as AOE coverage tho

that's what sets up the team to do AOE damage

[red umbra]

yeah that's fair i was looking at it purely from an individual dmg pov

[granite trail]

ah I guess so

but it's tough using that perspective against Childe

since he's an enabler primarily

[red umbra]

yh

was mostly using it as a point of comparison for aoe dmg strictly rather than effectiveness at carrying out their role per se ig

[vital tundra]

A team almost always need to account for AOE tho

Even xiangling wouldn’t be that useful without grouping

If you have enemies all over the chamber

[real phoenix]

yoink, thank you for the footage

[red umbra]

his final slash does have a crazy aoe tho ngl

[vital tundra]

I think part of the issue is itto teams really don’t have a good grouper

[red umbra]

yh]

[whole juniper]

Talent prio again?

[granite trail]

true I just wish the other swings were similar tbh

his final slash is pretty much like a plunge

[red umbra]

yeah

but idt he needs it

his output is solid enough

[slender ibex]

why does it look like it's better to just n1c during Q lol

[zinc tusk]

lost 50/50 to Qiqi and both pity were around 75, then did 50 more pulls afterwards and Gorou only c3

[slender ibex]

n1 during Q is a guaranteed 1 stack right

[nocturne sorrel]

the final slash looks proportionally slower for its mv

[slender ibex]

ooh

riight. since it still has that teleport portion

wait so the more final slashes you do, the more dps is lost? lol

[nocturne sorrel]

might be worth considering for aoe though

[slender ibex]

does his AK knockback enemies out of your range

[whole juniper]

My fucking god, I think I just broke my luck forever. After doing all my pulls, ending up with c5 Gorou as I mentioned, I leveled up Itto, had to go into shop to buy slime stuff, and realized: "Oh right I can buy some more pulls with starglitter". Bought 8 more wishes, and on the LAST ONE I get c6 Gorou 😮

[granite trail]

how far are you from soft pity

you sure you don't wanna go for C1 Itto?

[rigid bay]

The final slash isn't exactly a DPS loss in all honesty, you'd want to be expending all stacks or at least 4 stacks so you get the speed buff which will alleviate the aforementioned 'slow animation' for its multiplier

[whole juniper]

Far lol, not gonna spend

I bought bp, that's how much I want to stretch my wallet

[rigid bay]

give all ur gorous

this man deadass stole my gorous

[whole juniper]

Lol no, they're all mine

I'm sorry 😦

trade Gorous for c2 Itto?

[slender ibex]

c6 gorou and still c0 itto?

[whole juniper]

Yeah lol

[rigid bay]

me where with a c1 itto and one diluc copy

[slender ibex]

kinda lucky in a way

[rigid bay]

c4 gorou

[whole juniper]

I guess yes haha, now I can keep my guaranteed pity for next thing I want

[rigid bay]

i also got a guarantee now as well

[whole juniper]

Once pull history updates I'll see how far away I am from next pity, might be I can scrape together enough primos to get close since I have a million chests left in Inazuma to open. I have deliberately left big chunks of it unexplored since I want to play it with Itto

[rigid bay]

personally im tryna pull for the last 2 gorous

c2 itto, not so much

[whole juniper]

Yeah sounds wise

[rigid bay]

it aint that interesting to me

[whole juniper]

So with this c6 my Itto now has effective 220% crit dmg, kinda bonkers

With 70% crit once I actually manage to level up my SS tomorrow lol, forgot to farm mats for it

[rigid bay]

lol

bring itto to rainy place

check wht he says when its raining in EN

[whole juniper]

Lol

So uh, I know this has been said a million times, but how do I actually play him now? >_> what's the combo for c0?

[sharp sinew]

Q > E > NA 3 > SCA5 > NA3 > SCA3 > E ?

idk that's how i remember it

[whole juniper]

Sounds good, ty

[rigid bay]

Hm, depends on how many stack you have and what rot

Having C1 means I literally can't test the optimal combo for C0

[unborn oak]

If I have questions about Itto's non-gorou teammates, is this the best place to ask?

[sage burrow]

how is itto first impression? are his dmg nos comparable to xiao?

is itto a hypercarry?

[lean fog]

Yep

[lean fog]

First impressions he seems ok, good but not game breaking

[rigid bay]

Ask away really, if anyone got time to answer, they will

[knotty lion]

Itto is the true DPSecond, not DPScreenshot. I'm so glad. Lol each bonk hits feel so satisfying

[sage burrow]

do you think itto + zhongli can be relevant for great survivability + dmg (like 5 star noelle)

[unborn oak]

Okay, so I don't have an Albedo, but I do have a really tanky Zhongli and a decent C5 Ningguang. I know Albedo benefits from a mutual Gorou (esp with Gorou C4) but.... how will these two compare in an Ushi Oven comp?

I worry Ning can't compete damage-wise, considering her added screen-time.
Is it worth pulling for Albedo? I have 2.5 pities stored up.

[unborn oak]

Considering Geo resonance, Itto's decreased resistance in burst mode, and Serpent Spine being his best 4-star, Zhongli's shield seems good for comfort so far, if you have him. The downside is him not benefitting as much from Gorou, and his 50% rng energy gen from pillar pulses meaning you could need another geo in there anyways to keep Itto's burst up.

[trim pumice]

Does Itto's DEF conversion during his burst snapshot?

[reef stump]

ZL is still one of Itto's best Supports. He definitely wants a shield and he doesn't use Sub DPS other than Albedo well, so ZL isn't even demonstrating a DPS loss if you can leverage some Pillar Resonance

[whole juniper]

How do I best manage Itto's energy recharge in Itto/Ning/Gorou/Diona? Should I switch Itto in after every character's E to get him active particles?

[reef stump]

That takes way too long

[teal sable]

I'm literally so happy

[reef stump]

You shouldn't be in need to funnel particles to Itto and simply run 130-140% ER in such a comp

[teal sable]

my itto has perfect ratio

86/190

[whole juniper]

Right. I do have that amount of ER, so I guess in Abyss it'll work out well

Just testing in open world atm and it's a bit iffier there

[teal sable]

C1, redhorn, i got insanely lucky for him

[whole juniper]

since fights aren't tailored

[reef stump]

open wrold will always be scuffed since sutff doesn't live for full rotations

[whole juniper]

Yeah

But man he slaps

Going from a worse-geared Ning to this guy is kinda fun lol, I just delete everything

and that's with Whiteblind since I won't have SS until tomorrow even

[rigid bay]

damn imagine having redthorn

[whole juniper]

I think my damage would actually be worse with it since my artefacts are so C.Dmg heavy

[rigid bay]

oof lol

I need to fix my rots

[red umbra]

Ngl I’m considering going for c6 gorou now that c1 itto looks pretty tasty

[rigid bay]

I don't know why I went ZL > Gorou > Albedo > Itto when Gorou should be right before Itto so he can make use of that Q buff

Make use of its full effect*

[rigid bay]

Yeah to be honest C1 is just really good in that you don't have to think about the stacks at all

Can just go into Q and you know you'll have stacks ready to go

[teal sable]

Yeah

[rigid bay]

I am at C4, so still a bit more to go

C2 now looking at it, yeah, I don't think I need it as much

[teal sable]

For gorou?

Same

But I'm scared to get C2

Look, I love Itto but I also love Yar

Yae

And getting another Itto will almost certainly ruin my chances for yae unless I get her at 30 pity like I got him

But at 58 pity now

[rigid bay]

I mean I've got a guaranteed ready myself, so I'm more of, "I don't mind getting C2 Itto trying to C6 Gorou, but I'd love to keep it in case of new geo 5 star again" scenario

Yeah perhaps you should just stop for now

Save for Yae, way too risky to continue

[reef stump]

Ideally its likely Gorou E Albedo E ZL E (Q) Gorou Q Itto Q

[rigid bay]

Gorou can always come back whenever

[teal sable]

Yeah ur right

[quartz bolt]

Yes

[rigid bay]

Oh yeah certainly if Itto/Gorou's Q is empty, but if everyone full I usually just go
ZL Q tap E > Albedo E > Gorou Q (E included if Itto's ult alone is not filled yet) > Itto rotation

Cause I don't want to get interrupted while deploying my support's rot

[unborn oak]

DEF snapshots, ATK and GEO do not

[reef stump]

That way you dont get Albedo buffed

[rigid bay]

oh does it not dynamically change?

fuck

[reef stump]

Albedo E snapshots

[rigid bay]

damn, right

[reef stump]

Thats why the Gorou E is at the start

ZL E and Q also take the Buff

doesnt matter much

[rigid bay]

ah okay it makes sense why you'd want the E early on to separate from the Q

[reef stump]

but since it doesnt cost extra time and simply changes up the order a little its basically free dmg

[rigid bay]

whereas Q itself is fed into Itto

aight

[reef stump]

yep

if you dont feel comfortable with ZL so late you can ofc still start with him

but Gorou E Albedo E Gorou Q Itto Q should be the general structure to work with

[rigid bay]

Yeah I may shift things around if a particular floor will get me bodied before I complete my support rot

It happens very occasionally

floor 9 - 10 sadge moment when itto cant really dps properly as shit dies in one hit

i have to chase hilichurls around

im gonna try to aim like 90/200 crit ratio, albeit it will be insanely difficult to get the right substat id imagine

maybe a cdmg circlet could help push towards that rather than cr, considering my excessively high cr atm

[whole juniper]

So, I have one Fav bow and one Sac bow - between Diona and Gorou, who gets which one? Sac on Diona and Fav on Gorou?

Also what's the artefact stat prio on Gorou again?

Def goblet, ER sands, crit circlet?

[teal sable]

definitely

[teal sable]

also definitely

[whole juniper]

Ty

So with fav for Gorou, do I actually auto attack a few shots to trigger it, or will it trigger from his E/Q damage or what?

[unborn oak]

Oh, right, um,
As an extension of what I wrote above, I don't have any other good teams besides Itto if I got an Albedo. Here's my full roster of everyone who matters (EX not amber, Xinyan, Lisa, Chong, etc. etc.), but... Yeah. (Hu Tao is too janky for me, my hands shake a lot with her.)
Is Albedo a good roll? I really, really like him as a husbando, but would prefer not spending my 2.5 pities and risking Itto on another benchwarmer...

[teal sable]

it should proc from his e/q dmg with enough cr

[whole juniper]

Ty

[teal sable]

and you might have to auto attack because without 100% cr and r5, it's always rng, but most of the time, it should activate with e/q

[rigid bay]

17 pulls in, 58 pulls before I get into soft pity area for guaranteed C2 itto, oh man... i dont have a positive outlook on getting 2 more gorou before then

[red umbra]

Wouldnt you be losing out on Gorous Q buff with albedo

[rigid bay]

It snapshots

So I am made to believe that the flower would still hold the previous E's buff value

While Q goes out to buff Itto

[red umbra]

Yeah but Q is separate buff to E

[reef stump]

Naturally but thats probably still a better trade-off than cutting into Itto's Buff Uptime by forcing Albedo in between

[red umbra]

Fair

[reef stump]

Maybe feasible with C2 and Crystallize extension

on Gorou Q

[real phoenix]

working on official release frame counts rn

[reef stump]

[rigid bay]

It's possible with if you were to ignore ZL being buffed and place him first in the rot, and continue with Gorou Q > Albedo E > Itto though not 100% as it's very reliant on enemies having an element on them

I still need to actually check if it's feasible to even extend till the end considering hitlag extension and the like

[reef stump]

Yep

You'd just go ZL E(Q) Gorou EQ Albedo E Itto Q

[rigid bay]

Also might wanna assist this person, I personally have yet to come up with any other in-slot for the flex slot apart from Albedo and Fischl to be honest

Ningguang might be a good consideration but I'm not 100% on the idea

I'd garner that Venti, while a slight stretch, would be useful to the team as well? For that grouping capability + Albedo's quadratic scaling if you were to use his Q, though I reckon most won't in this comp and considering his Spindle + Husk setup

[reef stump]

If you feel confident that you like Itto and wanna invest in him fully then I'd recommend getting Albedo fro him, since he is just the best performing Sub DPS with the least friction. Second in line after Albedo would probably be Geo MC slighlty pivoting towards Microwave be it with Gorou or Bennett.
Ning has immense Burst but given rotation extensions I don't think its really desirable

[rigid bay]

I immensely enjoy the satisfaction of just adding Gorou into the mix and seeing Albedo's number shoot up from 15k per blossom

To 30k

[reef stump]

Otherwise Albedo primarily works together with ZL as a comfort variant for any 2 Unit core of which Hu Tao and Xiao are the primary examples right now.

[rigid bay]

Presently speaking, Albedo's worth has only just gone up IMO. With Gorou being introduced and coupled along with the Spindle and new set, he's a very simple off field DPS turret to play with and requires no extreme consideration

And provides a wonderful amount of damage every 2s.

[unborn oak]

I mained Razor for over half a year, and then mained Diluc (and later Ayaka and reverse vape Childe). I like simple, flexible character kits. Itto's like that, right?
Like, I physically can't do crazy Hu Tao cancel combos. I learned that the hard way.

[red umbra]

His field time and consistency are rlly nice

[rigid bay]

Uhh..

[whole juniper]

From initial play he feels that way for me. Simple rotation but still interactive with the stacks and such, and he feels very satisfying to play

The quick attacks of his charged attacks feel so much better than I thought they would

[reef stump]

Sort of. He isn't mechanically challenging like Hu Tao but you have to optimize his Stack usage a little which is mostly a bit of planning and adjusting the rotation on the fly rather than having crazy inputs.

[rigid bay]

Which can be somewhat complex depending on your own capability, as adjusting combos on the go can be a bit of a challenge

[reef stump]

I'd think if you like Razor and Diluc he should be a lot of fun

[rigid bay]

But from the short time I've used it, I'd like to think they eventually become muscle memory and are not too much of an issue to consider

[whole juniper]

Also the comfort of having basically one million def plus easy access to shields is ❤️

[rigid bay]

Raikh, when your Itto coming home

[reef stump]

idk

[rigid bay]

[reef stump]

can't reach soft pity atm and I'm only on 50/50

[rigid bay]

Oh oof

That's aight I guess, just pull what you'd want to, lmao

[reef stump]

So idk if I'll get him or not

[rigid bay]

Hm

I mean if your pity is at least halfway through and you have welkin n bp

Might a decent chance

Except u do nid to go through the gate of 50/50

[real phoenix]

i tried him on my gf's account since she's EU and bruhhhhh

[rigid bay]

I personally just want C6 Gorou already, I am guaranteed and I don't look forward to his C2 as much

So I can save for future new geo

[rigid bay]

What's up

[real phoenix]

i just wanted to record some ult NAs and CAs

[rigid bay]

C6 Gorou really gonna make my Itto team bonkers

[red umbra]

is there any good 4th spot for itto/gorou/albedo here?

[spark aurora]

fischl or geo mx

[rigid bay]

Just pull him on ur main

[red umbra]

did someone try chongyun itto btw lol

[rigid bay]

I wouldn't suggest personally, he doesn't bring much if any to the table

[real phoenix]

no, the hitlag extention

[rigid bay]

Oh

Oh yeah

[ocean bison]

is it worth going for redhorn if i have r5 serpent spine?

[real phoenix]

one lasted 912 frames, the other 941

[rigid bay]

bruh have fun with that shit, legit hearing that a bunch of TCers malding

[reef stump]

I can reach soft pity for sure within his Banner

[rigid bay]

Cause there some weird inconsistencies shenanigan going on

:OMEGALUL:

[real phoenix]

thats 15.2 seconds and 15.68 seconds respectively, including cast time

[rigid bay]

Not really, if pretc is of any indication, but look out for the official calc as I'm sure this week we'll get somethijg

[real phoenix]

less than 3 seconds of downtime

[rigid bay]

Oh pog, here's hoping Itto comes home

oof

Lol my discord kinda shat itself

[real phoenix]

@reef stump you can Very comfortably fit two E's against something like a ruin guard, like god damn, i felt like i could go on vacation in the window for the second E

[reef stump]

I almost expected as much. Question is if its now actually disruptive to the rotation, since you still need to cast it early enough that its actually back for the next Q

[real phoenix]

you can E in the middle of SCA-ing i tested, i think, lemme watch what i recorded again lmao

jk i didnt do that

[reef stump]

uninterrupted?

that would be pretty huge

[steep marsh]

cant you E in the middle of the N4 combo?

[reef stump]

But I guess even with interruption would be fine if it doesn't mess up your rotation and plays to leniency

[reef stump]

yes, you can E like you can dash and keep the combo going

[real phoenix]

i'm gonna go in for a second recording, what cancels do you want me to try?

[reef stump]

First thing would be if Q E N3 SCA4+ N4 SCA5 E works

just to confirm the rotation I've settled on so far

[real phoenix]

will do

[rigid bay]

pog, time to see more cancel tech

and forget about it halfway through a combat

[real phoenix]

want the news?

[primal wing]

Does Gorou snapshot the def from his skill when casting his burst? For his c4 healing

[stoic crest]

How's Itto's energy?

Thinking about Itto, Doggo, Albedo with Raiden.

[reef stump]

sure

[real phoenix]

they fit

[reef stump]

Thats great

[real phoenix]

https://streamable.com/tcfkdw

[reef stump]

so certainly no downgrade from Pre-TC

[real phoenix]

ignore me going into the character screen, i wasn't alt+tabbing to check wth the combo was again

https://streamable.com/z0m39u

and here's the second one, closer to your specific, starting with 0 stacks

[reef stump]

First one looks tight, but quite happy its doable

So I basically only have to adjust Buff Uptime with regards to my Calcs

[fickle lance]

I saw somewhere doing N1 E finish to N3 is faster but haven't tested myself, might make it easier to get that 2nd E off before burst ends

[real phoenix]

oh also this, you judge if it's too interrupting
https://streamable.com/3f2yls

i haven't gotten to counting this video yet because there's still like 3 ahead of it

[reef stump]

I think the second Ushi was outside of Q there, but not 100% sure

[real phoenix]

it was

it was just to test how interrupting Ushi would be mid-SCAing

[reef stump]

ah, ok

[real phoenix]

that's why i didn't use all stacks the second SCA string because i saw ushi was still on CD

[rigid bay]

Interesting development

Also I did not sleep the whole night just looking at discussion about Itto

I am gonna die at work today

[real phoenix]

a small price to pay

[rigid bay]

[reef stump]

priorities are priorities

[rigid bay]

I've been thinking honestly, one of these days I should start saving primogems in earnest, so that way I can get C6 5 star without needing to whale to the extreme. I'm talking year long saving

Getting a C6 5 star DPS should essentially catapult me anywhere I'd want to be and have an extremely solid foundation

just that i need insane discipline for that

https://tenor.com/view/power-anime-gif-22127074

Me after a whole journey of 4 star DPS and getting itto be like:

[red umbra]

what is the best possible dugtrio 4th slot? zhongli?

[smoky rose]

that would be "eternal geo" then

[hollow robin]

at current rate
that would take 14 patches of saving to guarantee

or about 2 years

100% achievable
but gonna be a commitment

[nocturne sorrel]

the whole thing already takes ~15s on field at c0

probably takes over 20s including support skills, making c2 even more pointless

[rigid bay]

"You merely felt the touch of Geo.

I've embraced it. Born within it. Molded and constructed by it. My love is all forever eternal, and it shall abide only by the one and true element, Geo. I wasn't born to love Geo, I was MADE for Geo. Geo is a part of me, and henceforth, I am a part of Geo. We are one and together, and nothing, nothing shall split us apart."

[hollow robin]

a 4th like fischl
to break shields and give crystal procs for geo res

[smoky rose]

Geo was always my fave element really. Sheer thought of Ning slapping someone with rocks was blowing my mind

[hollow robin]

better than barbara splashing someone to death?

GAMBATTANE!

[rigid bay]

Until we get a hydro char that literally encases someone's face in a pocket of water, no, i wont be excited for them

[rigid bay]

bet, il come back 2 years later where most tcers ik would be rolling in the graves

deadass lag lol

but yeah i actually calcualted that id need like a year and half to get guarantee c6

GRANTED

I do bp and welkin every month

and pick up all primos along the way

[red umbra]

will I struggle much without heal/consistent shield?

[hollow robin]

gorou is heal
geo res is shred

[red umbra]

bruh shouldve gone for more gourous instead dumping those 60 fates on weapon banner

[hollow robin]

gorou is :hart:

[rigid bay]

i assume lady luck didnt smile on u?

[hollow robin]

and itto definitely gets more out of pushing gorou to c6 than upgrading your SS to redhorn

[red umbra]

it did smile kinda I dumped 160 wishes on albedo and was pretty heart broken but then itto the oni came after 12 wishes

was so excited that I tried my luck on weapon but yeah, wasnt worth it

well maybe it will be after like a 10 pull, still its a small chance for ittos weapon so I dont have my hopes up

[rigid bay]

oof

i havent been in a good luck either

9 barbaras

8 xianglings

190 pulls

c4 gorou

2 more is all im asking

[red umbra]

Well, gorou will comeback eventually

[hollow robin]

how much longer till NA banner is up?

[real phoenix]

hour and a half

a little over that

[rigid bay]

or alternatively

check my profile

theres an NA timer for yall

[real phoenix]

i did

[rigid bay]

oh

i would preferably not want another itto c2 as he'll burn my guarantee

but im like

i dont remember how much ive pulled

oh man

i think ive got like another 50 pulls attempt to get 2 more gorous

its not looking great.

[red umbra]

I got raiden itto and albedo, Im set for life only going for cons and weapons from now on lmao

[hollow robin]

isn't itto c2 one of his better cons tho?

[rigid bay]

Oh yeah it's pretty good but after personally playing with my Itto and my variation of comp with him, I judged that I wasn't gonna be needing C2 Itto

unless i want to make him super consistent with getting ult back

because if my rotation is done right, often il already have a full itto ready to go for the next dps window

[reef stump]

Soso. The cdr is basically useless and how much mileage you get out of the energy depends on the Team. But dropping a few ER Subs isn't a huge deal in any case

[rigid bay]

then again

it is standing in the way to me getting his C6, in the far, far far far far far future

[reef stump]

C6 Gorou is pretty big though, no doubt about that

[hollow yarrow]

My Itto atm is 115% ER and literally gets his burst back asap with Ningguang and Zhongli

[reef stump]

which is what basically justifies going up to C2 basically

[hollow yarrow]

but this is C2

[rigid bay]

Oh yeah, I'm definitely aiming for that. It's more of a secondary meandering on whether I should eventually try to just get one 5 star geo dps to C6

as I've mentioned above

[hollow yarrow]

goodluck on C6 gorou you guys

[rigid bay]

though as all mihoyo games, eventual powercreep is unavoidable though

[hollow yarrow]

I certainly tried getting C6 gorou and got c2 itto instead

all I can say is C1 and C2 Itto just give a good QoL for the player

[rigid bay]

wtf, some early lucks there

lol lag

[reef stump]

The risk you're running into when doing that is that the game's landscape can change drastically in the time it takes to get there w/o significant spending

So either you're gambling on a specific unit being worth that across multiple reruns or you miss out on a massive amount of units in the hopes of eventually getting that one Geo DPS released thats worth the jump

[rigid bay]

Yeah, it's an essentially all-in high risk gamble

Of course, I've survived for a whole year and a quarter with nothing but Ningg and Noelle to lead my team, so I figured Itto can take the reign for now and lead me into this year's playing field

[hollow yarrow]

Itto banner certainly used up all my luck

[reef stump]

And the question is for what really. Is getting a whale taste worth saving for years and potentially missing out on a lot of stuff in the process?

And for all we know maybe that unit ends up being a Raiden case and caps performance at C3 effectively

[hollow yarrow]

like as if getting C2 Itto wasn't good enough already, I get blessed with this

[rigid bay]

Yeah, my plan is essentially very simple to be honest; If a new geo member pops up along the way, I won't really continue with the plan to be honest

Still gotta be loyal to my name

also the fucking lag lol

[rigid bay]

Using last year as reference, I was assuming that this year too shall be a drought year until December for new geo to come

[hollow robin]

so this plan is gonna last all the way until the next banner

[rigid bay]

And if such is the case, I can freely save up until the next new geo

[hollow robin]

where it falls apart

[rigid bay]

LOL

nah

yunjin is in free lantern

if leak is to be believed

[hollow robin]

but yunjin cons are good

especially c2 3 and 6

[rigid bay]

i havent been in the TCing field for yunjin

[static mural]

not worth if shenhe banner lol

[rigid bay]

also u need to realize, im broke as fuck for itto right now

AND

i am carrying a guarantee

so... yeah,

[static mural]

yunjin will come in other cool banners

[rigid bay]

i dont wanna see shenhe spook my ass

[hollow robin]

not worth dropping guarantee for yunjin cons then

wait for rerun in 3.0 or something

[rigid bay]

yep

hey

if new geo comes 5 star

i would be super happy

[hollow robin]

and instead see cyno spook your ass

[rigid bay]

who need to save for c6 if i can just get more new geo members

to the family

[humble gate]

How are you guys feeling about itto?

[rigid bay]

while i wouldnt mind saving a whole year like ive done for last year due to no new geo

i wouldnt mind a new 5 star geo again either

[rigid bay]

As someone who owns him at C1, it's been a blast using him, he feels pretty fun to play in his team and are overall rather enjoyable

Also where is your prankster rank lol

[humble gate]

I tried him in the test run (will try him in the story quest) but as of now I like his charged attacks very much. Problem is I also want Yae so..yeah haha

[humble gate]

I don't know what do you mean?

[rigid bay]

usually everyone has a prankster rank to show how much of an active WFP member they are

but i dont see one from your profile

[humble gate]

Oh how do I get one?

[rigid bay]

oh, its okay

[rigid bay]

hmm, this depends

like, itto want specific comp to work to his best potential

[humble gate]

Also I wasn't very active because of university 😄

[rigid bay]

he can be fairly expensive to build, even his team as well

[static mural]

i own c0 itto hes nice, hope.you get gorou

[humble gate]

I have no problem in investing..I don't really have much to do nowadays in genshin

[rigid bay]

if u dont own the following: Albedo, Zhongli
I can implore you to reconsider for Yae as he'd love to have either or both of them, but at the end, its up to ya

[humble gate]

I do have them

[rigid bay]

oh pog

i cant say much else atm other than my own personal experience

[humble gate]

That's why I was considering him

I also plan on getting R5 Serpent spine regardless (I need only 1 more BP)

[rigid bay]

ive shown this alot but heres how my itto performed in abyss if its anything to make u think on getting him

[rigid bay]

c6 itto when

[static mural]

[rigid bay]

Keep in mind there will be some rotation combos and the like you want to be doing with itto to maximize his damage output, so hes not pure unga bunga character

unless you've got him c1

in which case, yes, he unga bunga

[humble gate]

Yeah that looks really nice. Don't you have problems against shields, or needing healing?

[static mural]

ive decided im fine with c0 lol

[rigid bay]

I used the exact same comp through F9 to F12 without needing a healer, yes

[static mural]

the real question is

c6 gorou when

[humble gate]

Oh that's perfect then

[rigid bay]

shield wasnt a particular issue this time because victor lector and herald is at floor 10 so they are pretty easy to brute force

But be warned against corrosion as you may not have healing, which means damage can and will pass through your shield and kill you if you're not fast enough at killing them

[rigid bay]

oof same struggle

2 more

2 MOARRRRRRR

[rigid bay]

yeah thats perfectly fine IMO,

C1/C2 Itto is merely a side objective

to C6 Gorou

if c6 gorou wasnt so dank

i would have tried weapon banner

[static mural]

i dont wanna push my luck i got c4 gorou in 100 pulls

[rigid bay]

what the fu

the world is just taking a piss on me at this point

190 pulls....c4 gorou

[charred panther]

May I ask why you said itto relies on albedo and zhongli?

Considering pulling for him after saving up for ganyu ahah

And i have neither of the 2

[rigid bay]

Oh, I suppose I worded it wrong. Itto relies specifically on Zhongli in the contextual sense where you are using SS on him, as you want him to remain full stacked at all times for maximum output, while sustaining Geo resonance for further shred and Geo damage boost

[static mural]

you can do itto-gorou-geo flex-elemental flex

[rigid bay]

Itto does not specifically rely on Albedo, but where there is Itto, Gorou will be there to help him so it is merely an opportunity that allows Albedo to perform way better as a sub-dps while not costing as much complexity and execution.

[frigid hound]

Itto idealy has 1 flex slot

[rigid bay]

In this variation, Albedo is the flex slot

[frigid hound]

U can stretch ur butt for 2

[rigid bay]

He can be freely sw-

what

[charred panther]

Oh sorry, must have missed the ss part👍 my plan was to run him with ninng burst dps and geo mc if I don't get gorou

[frigid hound]

But uh

[rigid bay]

but yeah as mentioned, Albedo loves to be with gorou, and so does itto, hence the pair

[static mural]

its not a bad plan

[rigid bay]

but u dont necessarily need albedo on the team

[charred panther]

Good news for me then

[rigid bay]

i can smell 7 gorou in one 10, trust

[hollow robin]

any aura will provide enough crystal shields to do that as well

[static mural]

hope you get at least gorou though. theyre a great team

[charred panther]

I intended to pull for zhongli anyway so there's that

[spark aurora]

saving this

[charred panther]

Lmao believe and you shall receive

[static mural]

someone said gorou and albedo on one field makes the floor look like a venn diagram

[charred panther]

Thanks! Gorou does seem a perfect match

[rigid bay]

The keyword here is often the strength of the shield and its consistency. I've tried such comp where I had element applier like Fischl and Gorou which gets broken occasionally if I get bodied, which happens while Itto does his SCAs as he does not want to be interrupted for maximum DPS output. You also have to consider that ZL brings additional Geo shred to the team, a powerful tool especially against geo-resistant enemies

[hollow robin]

ZL is better when you don't have any shields to break

but in most abysses that won't be the case

[rigid bay]

In most abyss the only real shield threat is Lector, Victor, and Herald. Unless they are at least Floor 11 (or shielded enemies on F12), it won't be a significant issue

I have just tried Itto mono comp on this abyss

35/36, made a mistake due to rng on the last floor, but cant bother to retry

Adaptive comp is the keyword for this case; I will agree you need a flex elemental counter shall you encounter a strong shield-based enemies like that of Lector and its variant on minimum Floor 11, or any shielded enemies on Floor 12 due to elemental strength difference and level

But otherwise, it is a non-issue

[hollow robin]

also one note
having the off element breaker drastically improves gorous ult uptime

[rigid bay]

That, I will certainly agree

[hollow robin]

at least with c2

[rigid bay]

For that specific case, there is a support rotation combo to go along with

Gorou E > albedo E > Zhongli E (Q if willing) > Gorou Q > Itto

It will almost barely last as Itto's Q ends, but sufficient enough to be a significant contribution

[rigid bay]

honestly gorou + albedo + itto makes u blind

from the amount of sfx flying around

no joke

[spark aurora]

• zhongli stele res

everything is yellow

[rigid bay]

lol yep

a shame that as far as im aware, theres no legitimate way to instantly destroy ushi by means of collision to insta get stack

but hey, u never know.

[frosty ferry]

play jean bennett rosaria kaeya

enjoy the dankest circle impact

[static mural]

sitri

how is the itto tc

[hollow robin]

sunfire reverse melt?

[frosty ferry]

yeah

[frosty ferry]

im not doing it

its the other TC staffs

im coding

[rigid bay]

It's gonna be fun.

[rigid bay]

For them.

[frosty ferry]

langton's ant pepeW

[rigid bay]

okay no im too dumb for this sh

~~cry in basic java ~~

[static mural]

that looks like my nightmare

[frosty ferry]

its C++

[spark aurora]

[static mural]

but i have graduated . i am free.

[rigid bay]

come back to it

help sitri with it

[static mural]

sitri smart enough

[frosty ferry]

i dont need help, i need coffee

[rigid bay]

i havent touched that in years

[static mural]

doesnt need help

[rigid bay]

[static mural]

ive never succumbed to coffee drinking in my uni years to relieve stress

i cried instead

11/10 reccomend

[frosty ferry]

cocaine or coffee

thats how you survive grad

[rigid bay]

[spark aurora]

both

mix em

[rigid bay]

I drank two cans of double shot coffee

I died for a week

from poisoning

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

or rather weak ass stomach

never again

[frosty ferry]

next semester im just gonna fkn chill

[static mural]

1st one is when the deadline is an hour away and you have done nothing, 2nd one is when its still a day away

[frosty ferry]

took 3 gen ed classes

[rigid bay]

Lol that moment when you're two minutes away from submission deadline and you reach post clarity of "fuck it i really cant give a shit anymore"

[frosty ferry]

I wanna try playing piano seriously again

taking a music composition course next semester

[rigid bay]

all this stuff too real

im here to escape real life, why am i reminded of college life

[static mural]

so real

i remember passing 0.02 seconds away from the deadline

[frosty ferry]

not even close ez

[static mural]

soul left my body a good minute

[rigid bay]

though that extreme feeling of relief after submitting it finally

and being relieved of all your stress at once

i could get used to it

[frosty ferry]

what applied programming

[rigid bay]

but not the suffering i have to go through before it

[frosty ferry]

does to a man

dude went fkn mental boom

and shit post about an open source library on the class public forum

for all professors to see

[static mural]

mans on his last straw

[rigid bay]

tbf if i was a professor, id be rolling in my graves laughing to that

[frosty ferry]

the professor

made his meme in paint

[static mural]

ur prof seems like a fun guy

[rigid bay]

i approve

tbh

[static mural]

on the other hand you can entertain the alternative career as a music major when all else fails

[rigid bay]

programmer humor is always a special kind of relatable joke

i can never get sick of em

[frosty ferry]

Asian life

Gotta learn piano and guitar at 8 pepeW

[static mural]

i actually was classically trained in piano now the most action my hands have is with a keyboard doing cancels

[frosty ferry]

pog, did you do the piano level tests

[static mural]

yea i had a private teacher and everything im not good though..like other asian kids

[frosty ferry]

same sadge

[whole juniper]

So disregarding for a moment that pulling is fun and Itto is awesome - would it be dumb or smart to keep pulling for c1 Itto if I already have c6 Gorou? c1 Itto seems nice, but getting guaranteed other banner unit is also nice.

(As in, using all primos I get the next 20 days for it - I'm not paying money)

[warped kernel]

not sure if you guys have already found this, but yeah
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880502935195353159/920452297568419880/2021-12-14-11-36-00.mp4

you can effectively skip NAs through dash cancelling at the start of the animation

so in case your combos werent hard enough

here's another idea to factor in

(also we, at itto mains, have dubbed it "Dasshu cancel", since I found it lmao and we think the name is funny)

[spark aurora]

whoa

[whole juniper]

Can you use it to skip the hits that don't build charges?

[spark aurora]

probably not worth missing out on NA dmg for dashing tho

[reef stump]

Oh, yeah I noticed it during the trial that if you dash out of a started NA swing then its skipped and just continues with the next.
A bit sceptical though about the practical use since the cancels still eat quite a few frames

[warped kernel]

they all do in burst, but it can potentially be used to ignore NAs with lower MVs and skip to N4 quicker

we have a c1 combo that makes use of the cancel right now, I think some people are tryna see if it can fit into a c0 combo too

[spark aurora]

oh can u share?

i got c1

[warped kernel]

"Dasshu N2" means skip N2 but do the rest of n4

also SCA 6/7 not flat 7, ofc it depends on ushi stacks

[spark aurora]

skip n2 so 1-3-4 NA is used?

[warped kernel]

yeah

[spark aurora]

kk ill try it later

[reef stump]

So you basically skip on the N2 as it overvaps Stacks anyway due to Ushi expiration

[warped kernel]

and it has the lowest MVs iirc so you lose out on the least damage

[reef stump]

its a tiny bit lower than N1, yeah

[spark aurora]

sounds fun

[reef stump]

And just N4 SC5 E doesn't fit for sure?

[warped kernel]

I briefly tested but I believe doing this cancel on N1 isnt possible sadly

I didnt make the combo, but I assume this is a bit easier to fit

[reef stump]

Haven't seen Post-Release framecounts yet.
On the pre-release ones I used N2 was 34 frames vs a 24 Dash + whatever minimum start-up frames

[real phoenix]

check the masterseet some of the vids i counted are already there

well, two of them

[real phoenix]

i've known this through frame counts since many moons ago because one video had it

[warped kernel]

Hey well now it has a very cool name cos it's named after me

[fallen wolf]

Someone gimme a Gorou=((

Doggo boy is harder to get than Itto

[whole juniper]

Talent priority now that he's out: is it better if I go 8/6/8 or 8/7/7 right now? (need more weekly mats for higher)

[unique rover]

8-6-8

[hollow robin]

same
I went 150 pulls with 0 gorous

[unique rover]

oh my

yall having it hard

[rigid bay]

Lol that's a disaster

[unique rover]

[hollow robin]

had decent luck after that

but 300 pulls to c6 gorou

[rigid bay]

You'd best to prioritize his NA to max if you can crown as the multipliers on that is the bread and butter of Itto

bruh

that is mega pain lol

[whole juniper]

I could technically but that's a ton of scroll grinding - I kinda want to prioritize getting my second team into some kind of decent shape so I can clear Abyss

[fallen wolf]

Gorou come home, I'll rub your ears

[inland dagger]

Me who wants to see big ushi numbers, 6-10-6 it is

[fallen wolf]

Anyone figure out the best combo yet?

[rigid bay]

I mean at your current level at least, you do need a solid 2nd team to start anything

For abyss properly I mean

[fallen wolf]

Itto's number is good to me but it's a little clunky

[whole juniper]

Yup - Abyss was a bit lopsided when I tried it today 😛 clearing one side in, like, 30 seconds and the other in 4 minutes/dying

So I'll spend my resources on other team now, haven't really got one built at all

[rigid bay]

Yeah, that's why you use Itto as hypercarry first so you can help the 2nd team farm and be equally if not at least somewhat strong enough

[whole juniper]

Ye. Finally I can clear my own domains without a ton of pain

[rigid bay]

My own numbers aren't too big doing like 27k per SCA and 80k per Ushi, but then again, thanks to 91.1 crit rate

Pretty hard to not crit.

[whole juniper]

Tomorrow I get SS leveled and can experience true power

I'll have 80/220 with Gorou c6 buff

[steep marsh]

ngl, i'm probably gonna triple crown him

[rigid bay]

Imagine not doing so alr

:OMEGALUL:

Fuck

[steep marsh]

I didnt had enough time to prefarm okay?

[whole juniper]

I puked on the talent domain enough just trying to get enough for 7/7/7 lol, triple crown will be a while

[rigid bay]

Hah that's fine

[rigid bay]

Talent will take you a while ngl

It took me like

[steep marsh]

I know

[rigid bay]

Idk, a week?

[steep marsh]

but I think my rainbow set is fine for now

[whole juniper]

Plus I need to kill about two months worth of woman boss

[rigid bay]

Or two, probs

Yeah it will do for now

[rigid bay]

[onyx junco]

i got 3 ittos in 70 pulls :0 and redhorn in 30

[steep marsh]

[unique rover]

What

Yall are so

I'm gonna cry

[whole juniper]

Lol I'd say something envious about your luck but then I also got crazy lucky today in a way

[steep marsh]

dont put me in there

[onyx junco]

i need c2 combos xD

[steep marsh]

I got Itto in 20 pity, but I never got multiples 5*s like that

[unique rover]

My itto is 6 pulls near hard pity

[whole juniper]

what's the pull history website?

[stoic wagon]

paimon.moe

[steep marsh]

how is this looking?

[whole juniper]

Right. Is it safe? Guessing yes

[unique rover]

What's Gorou's r lvl

It's really good btw

Can be higher

[steep marsh]

70/80, level 9 E cause of C3

[steep marsh]

he is 6/6/6 with a rainbow set for now

[unique rover]

Really good

Might get 60k on 999

[steep marsh]

nice

these are his stats

[real phoenix]

Q N1 E N3 SCA4/5 N4 SCA5 E so far

[steep marsh]

the set tho

[fallen wolf]

Is there a video?

[real phoenix]

i have a video of Q E N3 SCA4 N4 SCA5 E, just imagine canceling the first N2 with an E, do you want that?

[unique rover]

Crystallize itto

[turbid dagger]

Darn, I accidentally won 50/50.

Now I guess I gotta build him.

[steep marsh]

welp

[pearl bone]

congrats for Itto pullers

[unique rover]

speechless

[somber sandal]

I won the 50/50, and I think it was 60 ish pity
I did the quest first before pulling

so it feels like he got released from the slammer

SS 4pc husk

sorry if I'm flexing

its just happy times now

[median birch]

I want more gorou cons but I'm on guaranteed now

[inland dagger]

Very happy for everyone who got him~

[somber sandal]

I was lucky to get c2

[median birch]

How good is itto c1 so far?

[somber sandal]

when I had to go to hell and back for one thoma

[median birch]

I'm on c1

Was hoping for c4 but Barbara kept coming

[patent galleon]

I Can tell you now his C4 cannot counter corrosion that well if thats what u wanted it for

you would need to go full Def/Husk for it to mean anything. at that would come at the cost of ER

[analog obsidian]

Today is so fucking lucky

[median birch]

Oof, was hoping it would at least help with that

[patent galleon]

Itto believers are getting rewarded

[unique rover]

today?

maybe i should pull or sumn

[somber sandal]

did you do his story yet?

[reef stump]

It can mitigate it on your DP, but since it only heals the active member and doesn't heal a lot you can't really use it to top your Team off even if you wanted to

[analog obsidian]

Ye

[unique rover]

nope and maybe that's where it fell apart

[somber sandal]

bet, good time to do so

[unique rover]

[somber sandal]

yea lmfao

[unique rover]

the did has been done

cant go back now

[somber sandal]

before I went into the domain I pulled and got gorou after 2 10 pulls

[analog obsidian]

3 5* in 20 pulls I'm making mhy bankrupt by the second

[somber sandal]

then afterwards won the 50/50

[unique rover]

i got gorou in 2 10 pulls too

[real phoenix]

@reef stump i did a thing

[unique rover]

and then afterwards he didnt come home

[reef stump]

shiny?

[real phoenix]

what if i told you, that a combo starting with 0 stacks, did more damage than doing the same combo but starting with 5 stacks

[steep marsh]

what?

[reef stump]

That sounds a bit strange, but given I've been having trouble finding realistic C1 increases before I'm listening

[real phoenix]

so the combo is Q N1 E N3 SCA5 N4 SCA5 E if you start with 5 stacks

and that's 8 kesagiri slashes, and 2 finishing slashes right?

sounds pretty good

[reef stump]

yes

[real phoenix]

well

if you start with 0 stacks

its

Q N1 E N3 SCA4D N4 SCA5 E SCAF

you trade one kesagiri slash, but gain another finisher

because that's 7 slashes, 3 finishers

[reef stump]

But if you have 5 Stacks why do you even do N1 E N3?

[real phoenix]

that's why i should test combos starting with 5 stacks

so what i just found may be the most optimal 0 stack combo

[analog obsidian]

Is this assuming c1?

[reef stump]

That combo should also work at 0 Stacks btw if you cancel the N2 windup and go for hit 3 + 4 over 2 + 3 if the frames allow it

[real phoenix]

i pulled it off with a c0 itto, so no

[reef stump]

since cancelling li with E should be almsot free of opportunity cost

[analog obsidian]

I'ma test the rotation after this

[steep marsh]

btw, how does C1 changes combos?

[real phoenix]

i'll see if i can do Q N1 N2/E N4 SCA5 N4 SCA5 E? that's what you're saying right?

[analog obsidian]

You virtually can start rotation with 0 stacks

[reef stump]

Yep, or even with the SCAF at the end

[analog obsidian]

And instead of 4 slashes it's 7-8

9 if ushi gets funky

[steep marsh]

yeah, I realized that already

[real phoenix]

just did it, it works, but the last SCA can't fit

[analog obsidian]

God bless ushi

[reef stump]

Thats still very sweet

So 2 new C0 combo options

[real phoenix]

let me try again with Actually 0 stacks this time, because i started with 5 and forgot to dump them when i started recording and did an SCA5 first CA string

[spark aurora]

share

[steep marsh]

its really satisfying hitting 50k on him

[real phoenix]

wait no, jk, it's still the same result because N1-N4 minus N2 is 4 stacks and the ushi cancel is one, so it will get SCA5

[reef stump]

That was the point of it yeah

since you trade N2 for N4 which is a bit more NA dmg

and 1 Stack more to close off SCA5

both very close combos in terms of MV

Some more optimization and it starts to get silly

since E SCA21 E from my Pre-Release C6 estimation is 5k MV

[somber sandal]

I didn't check, what was the cons of the story trial itto

[reef stump]

Story quest was C3

[somber sandal]

huh

I guess I didn't notice the extra CA

or was just more concerned with fitting in two ushis

in one burst

[steep marsh]

SCA21?

[reef stump]

Till somebody finds some cracked C1 combo I'll probably keep saying that C1 is negligible for actual throughput and more QoL and feel good

[reef stump]

If C6 procs often enough you can jsut keep swining till Q runs out

[analog obsidian]

Why the fcuk is itto running 4 nob in his story quest

[reef stump]

and SCA21 was roughly what fit the frames I had. Might be 22-23 now given the C0 combos improved a little

[steep marsh]

oh C6

[steep marsh]

I have C1 for less than a hour and I kinda agree

[unique rover]

what's current c1 combo?

[reef stump]

I honestly don't quite know.
Probably something like E SCA6+ N4 SCA5 E SCAF

But you mgiht simply have spare time thats hard to put into something thats not jsut NA

which puts you back at C0 combos in a different order

unless Ushi saves your ass and keeps your first SCA combo going longer

[spark aurora]

it is however, very fun

[steep marsh]

true

[nocturne sorrel]

what's noelle's best combo during burst? for comparison's sake

[reef stump]

5x N3D afaik for 1 roughly 20s time span. Since Noelle doesn't operate on a 20s rotation its not the cleanest comaprison but should be a good ballpark

[nocturne sorrel]

does it really take her 4 seconds to do N3D

or do you mean 20s including team

[steep marsh]

this mechanic is really funny ngl