Itto Thread

[static mural]

c4 itto can be useful in the scenario that you cant one rotate a floor but such specific conditions would be so scuffy(?)

how bad must your stats be to extend 2+ rots on a whaled unit

[reef stump]

If he snapshots his DEF conversion. If its dynamic its 20% DEF on Albedo and thats it pretty much

And even if it snaps its still only 4% dmg on Itto and should be similar for Albedo

[static mural]

not that appealing but more appealing than xiaos c4

[unique rover]

maybe theyd put more def scalers later on that would benefit the c4 hopefully

the real question is how long

[reef stump]

20% DEF ain't that much and Itto is still a selfish carry

[unique rover]

a geo xingqiu

[reef stump]

Even if we got to a state of 3 Albedo + Itto comp

it'd be 4-5% Team dps

[storm tulip]

tbf I would probably take this c4 over xiao c4

this one at least is situationally good

the other I kinda need to go out of my way to proc

I can control it, but would I really do it?, probably not

also even if he doesnt snapshot, it would still work with c2 fairly well, since you can theoretically just loop a second Q in case first one didnt cut it

at that point it is probably not really justifiable to do anything more than a gorou E support wise

[reef stump]

Kinda forgot Xiao C4 needs him to be below 50%, poor guy can't even have a bad Cons working unconditionally

[fleet moss]

do we know what team is comparable to Itto team pre-release? Like is it equal to Childe International, Raiden National, Morgana, etc?

[frigid hound]

Using a No artifact itto

[unique rover]

Suddenly I'm scared of pulling in itto banner

[spark aurora]

[frigid hound]

[unique rover]

Suddenly I'm not on gorou c6 agenda

[spark aurora]

bright side, if u have c6 on xiang and barbara they're gonna be converted into more starglitter

for more pulls for more gorou

[patent galleon]

Rip sara hopers

[hallow lark]

congratulations

[unique rover]

that's fine at least it's guaranteed

[analog obsidian]

Fucking called barb

Now fischl longest from any feature banner

[patent galleon]

i expected barb tbh

but xiangling was kind of a surprise

[analog obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791659077528584204/917704735618895872/55DD5D1E-0EB5-4513-910C-1B1837CB0119.png
Gonna check her into the box

[unique rover]

i mean fischl already had 4 features

maybe razor would come first

[analog obsidian]

Noelle is the longest with 9 including fischl according to leaks

Let's see if fischl getting to double digit unfeatured

[storm urchin]

Hi guys..
till now, what is the best weapon for Itto?
many people say like this:
redhorn > Serpent > whiteblind(R5) > skyward > wgs > unforged
is it true? 🤔

[unique rover]

check pins

the calcs are there

[storm urchin]

I see, tyvm..

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

Oh god

Itto's banner lineup

BARBARA, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THEREEEEEE

Xiangling is very much welcomed though

[unique rover]

PLSSS

i built some of my pity

[spark aurora]

to turn into more fates for more gorou

[rigid bay]

About to die inside

Even the weapon banner is kinda horrendous

[storm tulip]

I dont care who is on the banner, I only care that they didnt put sara and itto together

[rigid bay]

[storm tulip]

Time ro go to mihoyo hq

[rigid bay]

I never believed they would tbh

Mihoyo and sensible things?

[unique rover]

the 4*s kinda bad

the 5*s are... fine?

for me at least

[rigid bay]

Bell says

HEEEEELLLLOOOOOO

But yeah who tf use skyward Harp though

[kind stag]

like every bow user ?

cant tell if sarcasm

[storm tulip]

The weapon banner is 100% a skip

[rigid bay]

Oh nah I mean I just never had any character with bow invested

[storm tulip]

The only reasonable reason to get harp is for sara since tp and polar are just overall better in terms of bows

[rigid bay]

So my knowledge of bow users are like

[kind stag]

ah ok

[rigid bay]

Negative 5 lol

[kind stag]

tp and polar also had trash weapon banners

this is much better if you want both

[storm tulip]

Polar was fine

MoD is still the best catalyst so far

[kind stag]

I would disagree

[rigid bay]

Personally I'm still split between getting an attempt at redthorn or attempt for C2 Itto and Gorou c6

[kind stag]

Atlas is better

[rigid bay]

Redthorn only because of the crit dmg

[kind stag]

especially because atlas is good in quickswap

[rigid bay]

It would make my CV budget much lighter

[storm tulip]

Atlas is awful for any actual catalyst dps

[kind stag]

lets be real

[storm tulip]

All of them prefer MoD and all of them usually use shielders regardless of weapon

[kind stag]

the catalyst users as a whole are underpowered

[rigid bay]

Me with lost prayer

2 of em actually

[storm tulip]

They are underpowered cause it is like saying hu tao's best weapon is vortex vanquisher

[rigid bay]

At least it have cdmg as substat

[kind stag]

there weapons are not the problem,,, Klee doesn't have any top tier comps yet, Ning and Yanfei are limited by their 4 star kits, mona is only good as a subdps/buffer

[unique rover]

well there's no subdps/dps bow geo yet

[rigid bay]

Precisely, Gorou's a first and even rhen

He's full on support anyway

[unique rover]

i actually hoped for gorou to be a main dps

[kind stag]

the only top tier comp we have with a catalyst is Sukokomon (and she uses thrilling tales LOL)

[storm tulip]

I mean klees mono pyro comp is pretty strong, it is just klee c2 is what makes it strong

[unique rover]

just that

in my dreams

ig

[crystal isle]

Does gorou only need ER and its a wrap?

[kind stag]

most people use klee c2 as a thrilling tales support, that should show u the state of catalyst users

[rigid bay]

ER/DEF/CR and it's a wrap

[unique rover]

er, cr for fav proc

[rigid bay]

Pair him with fav bow

[storm tulip]

And in klee's mono pyro comp her best weapon is r5 lost prayer

[rigid bay]

Eeeeeyyyy I got lost prayer R2

But no Klee.

[storm tulip]

I know the state of catalyst users, mono pyro klee is not exactly an interesting comp to play or a cheap one to build either

[inland dagger]

Will sac be a bad choice

[storm tulip]

It requires klee c2, c6 xiangling, c6 bennet and kazuha

[kind stag]

It may be a good comp (which it no doubt is) but its stupid expensive, you also have to ask, is having c2 klee worth it over two other 5 stars? probably not

[rigid bay]

You won't have much chance to proc it usually due to its RNG, especially when you fail to, and even then, you'll funnel it to the 4th person anyway

Though it's an alright choice

[kind stag]

no character should need constellations to be meta

[inland dagger]

I see, thanks!

[rigid bay]

If I can get C6 Gorou and CX Itto early

[inland dagger]

Do we have possible team rotations already

[rigid bay]

I'm gonna try to hit one pity on weapon banner

I never pulled on it ever so I want to give it a try

[unique rover]

oh right

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

u need xiangling too

i built pity coz the only 4* i need there is gorou

[rigid bay]

You mean comp? The common one passed around is just Itto, Albedo, Gorou and flex slot/Zhongli

[rigid bay]

My XL is C2 so yeah id love the extra constellations for her

[inland dagger]

Oh cripes I dont have albedo, Im stuck with Itto Gorou Zhongli Flex then

Is it okay to build ZL as a sub dps of some sort

[rigid bay]

Yeah you'd want to

[inland dagger]

Does he scale better with HP geo or Attack geo

[unique rover]

low cost energy sub dps when

is there one?

[rigid bay]

Because Itto will pose naturally high defense so it can boost Zhongli's shield survival pretty nicely

[kind stag]

there similar but pretty much hp for defensive atk for offensive

atk is always more damage

[rigid bay]

4ToM ADC can work

ATK/GEO/CR or CD

I personally will stick with shieldbot ZL and Itto, just wanna see how ridiculous my shield gonna be

[storm tulip]

The albedo is the flex slot, not zhongli, especially if weapon of choice is serpent spine, geo resonance is not kept with itto/gorou/albedo/flex easily

[inland dagger]

I have both Fav Lance and DM for Zhongli and I hope my energy gen for itto is enough

[unique rover]

the way i dont have any choice but to put zl on fav

[rigid bay]

I'd argue if you got good elemental applicator like Fischl turret it would be sufficient to keep off the chip damage though

Zhongli just makes it a lot easier

Obviously huge damage intake is still an issue

[storm tulip]

Fischl lasts for only half of itto Q

[rigid bay]

[storm tulip]

Or you lose gorou buff uptime

[inland dagger]

Will TOTM fischl and zhongli stack

[rigid bay]

How long does crystallize last again

[unique rover]

xiangling

kokomi

ig

[storm tulip]

It is either 15 or 20 seconds, but the shield isnt strong enough even with defenses, again, especially if serpent spine is the weapon

[rigid bay]

[storm tulip]

Cause losing serpent spine stacks sucks AND the weapon has you take more damage too

[rigid bay]

Yeah, pretty much I'd suppose

[inland dagger]

Reduced physical and elemental resistance on ult too

[rigid bay]

Fuck it, just run all geo foreverrrr

[unique rover]

trueee

[storm tulip]

The reduced resistances are just a balancing mechanic

To make itto not be absolutely busted tanking

[rigid bay]

Lol Itto before the burst resistance reduction

By calculation

[storm tulip]

He was taking 1/3 damage in comparison to other carries

[rigid bay]

Takes like 4k damage from Maguu kenki's double slash that does 12k each

[storm tulip]

[inland dagger]

And then there's immortal kokomi enabler

[storm tulip]

I mean itto is also immortal

The only reason you even care about taking damage is serpent spine

[inland dagger]

well not with Corrossion I think

[storm tulip]

Not actually dying

[unique rover]

they make added atk/dmg bonus balance with a defense reduction, while added mvs dont

[storm tulip]

I mean he is this tanky AND has a taunt

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

Just imagine this, zhongli shield at 25k HP after Tom buff and Zhongli's own passive. Itto's previous value and defense strengthen it to...

75k

[inland dagger]

👀

[unique rover]

i want a shield shredding enemy

coz why not

[rigid bay]

[whole juniper]

I want a shield shredding unit :<

[unique rover]

idk

shield meta

[rigid bay]

Mihoyo: we heard you, we give you enemy that shred your energy for ultimate, corrosion but for your energy

For every AA they do, ignores shield

[unique rover]

enemy reduces healing by 100%

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

How about

Corrosion but it's a permanent debuff for the entire fight

Like leylines

Oh god

[unique rover]

enemy that has phases without animation

anti one shots

[inland dagger]

Wolflord might actually be disgusting in abyss

The stacking corrossion

[unique rover]

the real problem is

it flies

[whole juniper]

Oh yeah, killing that thing fast is ew

[storm tulip]

Just get on top of zhong pillar and nuke it with ning

[whole juniper]

Ning's stuff won't home in on it ever :c

It feels super weird

[storm tulip]

It will if you are on high ground

Gotta obi wan kenobi the bitch

[inland dagger]

can you E-Q on ning above a zhongli pillar?

Or the curtain disappears

[storm tulip]

Yes

[inland dagger]

Oh lmao nice

[storm tulip]

Jade screen spawns on ground

[rigid bay]

I mean

[storm tulip]

You can even climb on top of the pillar bennet Q mona Q ning E Q

[rigid bay]

If your Ningguang is sufficiently strong, one burst of Q and AA should put it down to half HP. Of course, abyss would have like twice the HP so just do it twice

[unique rover]

my diona q sometimes lands on zl's pillar

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

[unique rover]

[storm tulip]

He has 450k hp overworld (my ning EQn1CE rotation on bennet Q one shots it, and would have 1.6 million if on abyss 12-3

So actually 3 times hp

[inland dagger]

[storm tulip]

Cause level difference

And 2.5x hp leyline

[rigid bay]

Hey pretty good, mine one shots if I get some food buffs in

So that would be like what

4 Q rotations

[storm tulip]

More like 3 you still have support damage

[whole juniper]

How do you get your stuff to home on it tho? The jade crystals from both ult and c6 just fly straight off into the stratosphere so I can only truly hurt it when it's lying on the ground

[rigid bay]

When it starts to attack is when I usually do it

Don't initiate immediately after he just came in to the area as he can kinda be damaged, but the homing function still doesn't work until he actually starts doing attack animations.

[storm tulip]

Zhongli pillar, you gotta get closer to it, so high ground helps a lot

[unique rover]

is getting zl his own set rather than totm be more beneficial to team dps or not

[storm tulip]

No, ToM is the best team dps

[unique rover]

ok thanksss

[storm tulip]

It is similar to his best personal dps sets (only relevant downside being the snapshotting), basically substat dependant, but then also buffs your team damage

[crystal isle]

Pale Flame domain though

[storm tulip]

It also makes his shield extremely more tanky

And pale flame domain is a good one, just there arent a lot of phys dps chars

[gentle pivot]

lol you don't need c2

[storm tulip]

You dont "need" it, but c2 is a huge teamdps increase.

[gentle pivot]

sure it is, but from the calcs shown in this server it's still amongst the top tier teams at c0

unless you have some calcs to show otherwise

[whole juniper]

I don’t have ZL >_<

So basically without ZL I can’t make Ning work efficiently against wolf of the south? Gacha game design sucks.

[rigid bay]

Oh no, not exactly. It is still pretty easy to hit him, just need to time it properly

He is annoying but eventually you won't need him all that much after getting enough boss mats

Hell, you can stand on GMC's rock as well

[storm tulip]

you can use albedo or geo MC, or wait for the dog to come down, all are viable options

but zhongli is above and beyond the best support for ning and they work very very well together, one of the best synergies in the game

which is why i mentioned him

[whole juniper]

I might try geo MC. But tbh it's not exactly a problem in this particular instance, I can kill him easily after his shield phase. It's just annoying that for some reason Ning's projectiles seldomly actually home in

[storm tulip]

because he is too far away

that is the only reason

[whole juniper]

Even when I stand next to him while he's on the ground sometimes

Seems like certain parts of his body just aren't enabled for homing attacks or something

[storm tulip]

that never happened to me, just check with her normal attacks if you want

if normals track, Q tracks

if they dont, it doesnt

[whole juniper]

Maybe it's some weird ps4 issue? I stand right next to him, charge attack after ult and half the crystals just fly off into the sky instead of hitting

So now I just run into his chest and do it there - so not a debilitating issue at all but still weird and annoying

[slim pivot]

Is itto's weapon better than R1 SS and R1 Blackcliff for characters that aren't itto and Noelle?

[static mural]

depends on the character. xinyan also would take redhorn, beidou would rather have ss

[storm tulip]

It also depends wether you can actually keep serpent stacks up in the intended comp or not

It is not a weapon you can run for free on a dps

For example for diluc serpent is better, but usually he doesnt run a shielder so that is unrealistic

[fickle mango]

hi, are gorou's cons worth aiming for? (Except for c6)

[storm tulip]

C6 is the main one, c4 if you think you personally need some sustain from him

[fickle mango]

How about c2? Does it affect his buff uptime with itto?

[patent galleon]

C4 is nice, especially with corrosion in abyss

[onyx junco]

gorou's healing is kind of a meme tho

[unique rover]

he will heal like 1k or lower

and that's per 2sec

1.5sec*

[patent galleon]

Something is better than nothing in a mono comp that otherwise has no heals

[onyx junco]

im wondering if his healing could become less of a meme if you run healing bonus on him , but that would also hurt his er with favo because he wouldnt have a cr hat ☠️

[storm tulip]

you arent taking any damage that is not from corrosion realistically, so it is all you really need tbf

[onyx junco]

in a normal situation its more than fine, but corrosion is another story

[storm tulip]

barely and requires consistent crystallize procs for 3 seconds which doesnt happen in his best comp without enemies being involved, but can be easily done, it is just a very minor difference anyways, especially since he most likely snapshots defense and c6 and a1 are still fixed durations

[storm tulip]

corrosion deals almost no damage either way AND he has a taunt

[fickle mango]

I see. I guess I'll be content with c0 gorou.

[storm tulip]

people consistentlty forget that most of the time itto spends on field there is a taunt there too

[patent galleon]

The next abyss also has a new fireball aura that deals true dmg and ignores shields

[storm tulip]

no one said pyro lector ignores shields

and from the actual gameplay we have

it doesnt

[patent galleon]

Fireball aura

In abyss

Gameplay we have is open world is it not?

[storm tulip]

yes, but where is that info

havent seen it

[patent galleon]

It was posted with the disorders I’m pretty sure, I’m not sure it’s specifically the pyro lector tho or if it’s the mage or both

I’ve seen people mention it ignoring shields, which is new compared to the usual aura

[hybrid relic]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1FY411s7gY?p=1&share_medium=android&share_plat=android&share_session_id=f8cd2c5f-b1cc-4074-98fb-57d74e02164e&share_source=COPY&share_tag=s_i&timestamp=1638065440&unique_k=S4cL9Qk

So this vid shows how crystalize shield will be practically use

[storm tulip]

can I get a too long didnt listen cause it is in chinese?

[unique rover]

crystallize should explode when it gets broken/time takes it

[storm tulip]

nah, it should be something like when you replace a crystallize shield it should deal AoE damage equal to its remaining HP

of the type of the shield it was

basically rewarding you for being tanky

[ancient stone]

albedo goes BRRRRRRRRRR

[storm tulip]

also I'm not sure what he is using, but all I see is crystallize shields still getting one shotted by attacks

[storm tulip]

it is not SUPER brrr since on a single target albedo only procs crystallize once per 4 seconds

[ancient stone]

against mutlitargets, albedo can spawn many crystals in a single E

[storm tulip]

actually I forgot to test gorou ICD on hangout, does anyone know if his Q has ICD or not

[storm tulip]

max 3

[ancient stone]

and burst also spawns many of them if all targets have auras

[storm tulip]

you can only have 3 crystallize shards on the ground at one time

[ancient stone]

still, BRRR

[storm tulip]

so without staggering E procs on different groups of enemies you would at most get 3 shards per 4 seconds

(and doing so is basically impossible in a real scenario)

even just hitting 3 enemies with an albedo proc can be hard in abyss scenarios, either because there arent 3 enemies to hit, or fat enemies prevent that from happening

[ancient stone]

maybe only against the hydro enemies that showed up once in floor 12-2

[hybrid relic]

yeah pretty much. crystalize still not great even with 3000 def. I dont know if it pratical enough to maintain the crsytalize with gorou and also albedo proc

[storm tulip]

also it would still only be like 5.5k procs at 1000 EM, more interesting would be if these would apply elements to enemies themselves and could react like swirls do, but that is taking a bit too much from anemo imo

[storm tulip]

you 100% need 4pc ToM for it, which is why I was always against the fischl dugtrio comp and insist that albedo slot is the flex one and not zhongli if you realy want a different element as the 4th, especially because fischl ICD is abysmal since you arent triggering her a4 or c6 with any consistency

[ancient stone]

it won't take that much, because VV is the thing that makes swirl interesting

[storm tulip]

if you really want itto/gorou/albedo/not zhongli, the not zhongli either needs to be another dedicated shielder, beidou (less uptime than xingqiu, shit ER) or xingqiu (great uptime, good ER with sac sword, shit damage) because of the damage reduction they provide

[ancient stone]

in comparison, your crystalize will be swirl with extra steps, and no VV buff

still balanced

[hybrid relic]

beidou might be good. you can run sac beidou

[storm tulip]

nah you would run fav

you need 2 perfect counters for sac to be better

[ancient stone]

that would also mean geo will be an even better addition as a flex position for mostly mono teams

like, pyro pyro anemo geo

or pyro pyro pyro geo

[storm tulip]

but realistically

all crystallize needed

WAS THE FUCKING EM BUFFS

why did the worst reaction

not get increased em scaling

that was so fucking stupid

[ancient stone]

wait... it didn't get the buff?

[storm tulip]

it got base reaction from levels buff

[ancient stone]

[storm tulip]

not em scaling buff

[ancient stone]

dafuq

i guess they don't want crystalize reactions to overshadow shield characters

but well, even if they would, it would require building full EM

so that's a very fair tradeoff

[storm tulip]

what makes me angry is that if they want geo to be a shielding elements

WHY DO WE HAVE ONLY 2 GEO SHIELDERS

[ancient stone]

and you won't get the rest of the utilities a character shield usually provides

because geo shield too op

[storm tulip]

yes this

I dont think building full EM crystallize should be bad

[ancient stone]

it should be a fair trade off between damage and shield strength

[storm tulip]

if anything the scaling should be the opposite of other reactions on it, where it scales exponentially instead of logaritmically

so a little EM doesnt do much so you cnat really have a good tank/damage compromise

you either go full on for defensive ability with a full EM build or keep your damage

[ancient stone]

using exponential growth is a big no no

[storm tulip]

not really

only if feedback loops were a thing

which they are not

[hybrid relic]

its contradict with each other. you want shield you need EM but you lose Damage. but if you look at anemo its just perfect with the EM scalling

kinda pepega for them to buff anemo more

changing anemo unit from ADC to EM really push anemo the best element in the game. it also push transformative furthur with chain reaction

[storm tulip]

crystallize has no offensive ability for having tankier shields except resistance to interruption (which btw why doesnt yunjin Q have it, why do we have a geo char with no real team defensive ability mihoyo, wtf), and the main content we have gotten so far are time trials so being immortal isnt really relevant to the "difficulty" of meeting said trials, crystallize being on an exponential growth doesnt affect any game mechanics negatively since, realistically, EM has a cap

EM/EM/EM with an EM weapon, 2pc 80 EM, sucrose buff, kazuha c2, diona c6, albedo Q, 4pc instructor and elegy r5 proc is the max EM you can have right now, there exists a limit, so it is easy to have it scaling in a reasonable way without going out of control since you do know the realistic upper limit of the theoretical infinite one

(also what i mean doesnt need to be a true exponential curve, could be a cubic one, just that it should be different than how other reactions scale if mihoyo wants to keep it as a tanking ability, where at low EM the shields arent really usable, but are great with full EM builds)

in a way that you are trading offensive for defensive ability as is usually the case

[somber sandal]

yea immortality helps but that don't matter if you can't clear the time limit

[lament hazel]

guys i have question for itto savers

why do you like itto?

[spark aurora]

because we do

[lament hazel]

what do you like about him

[whole juniper]

I'll offer my nooby, unoptimized f2p perspective. For me he has a nice mix of interesting playstyle (with the stacking mechanics and charge attacks), comfy survivability + taunt, straight-forwardness and just the fact that I like geo in general. He'll offer a fun playstyle without focus on elemental reactions and has satisfying animations

[wooden turret]

if you don't have zhongli, in an itto/albedo/gorou comp, would thoma or noelle be better?

[whole juniper]

So for me he'll be my first really invested character, to push floors 9+ abyss and such

[lament hazel]

is he better than c6 noelle?

[whole juniper]

Yes - c0 has 50% more single-target dps under identical, optimal circumstances

[unborn oak]

Hi there! I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but.... I haven't been keeping up with the data leaks (college keeps me busy)
How're Itto's numbers looking like? I don't have enough gems to want to risk an Albedo, but I have every other Geo character and some good claymores from my other mains.

[sharp sinew]

Similar to Eula

if im not wrong

[real phoenix]

where’d you see that

[sharp sinew]

idk

solo tho

im not sure at all

[real phoenix]

[unborn oak]

I know he's a selfish hypercarry with energy issues... and since he's Geo, everything depends on his numbers and not reactions...

[real phoenix]

he has no energy issues

unless you’re running 2 or less geo

[storm tulip]

There is a pin with raikh's calcs for each qeapon and his investments if you want to take a look

[unborn oak]

Ooh! TY very much!

[storm tulip]

btw even with just 2 geo his energy requirement lands around the 140% mark

[real phoenix]

doesn’t it depend on who the second geo is?

[unborn oak]

I have no albedo, but I do have my stupidly chonky Zhongli and a C5 battery-ish Ning

[storm tulip]

yes, but gorou, geo mc, ning all have similar energy gen and zhongli/albedo depend on their E procs, assuming only 1 E per rotation for said geo char albedo and zhong fall a bit ahead

[real phoenix]

gorou? similar energy gen to gmc and ning?

that’s sus

[storm tulip]

since he runs fav bow for free yes

or sac bow

there isnt really anything else for him to run

while ning/geo mc CAN run them, but it is not something they do for free

[reef stump]

Only Double Geo I can currently really see is Fish + Beidou. Stuff like XL + Ben is an energy disaster

[storm tulip]

rosaria diona work well for example, anything electro resonance related really, albedo+itto and 2 flex work well in general too since albedo is the best consistent energy generator from geo that conforms with itto's field time (c1 zhong is better, but that is c1 and zhong pillar AoE with only ushi to resonate from)

[reef stump]

Rosa + Diona is fairly awful Team dmg though.

[storm tulip]

sure, but you want to run 3+ geo unless: there are shields that need counter elements, you dont have pieces for the 3+ geo comp, or need an anemo unit's grouping

it isnt really an argument on team damage it is a flexibility argument

[whole juniper]

So if I don’t have Albedo/ZL, would it be better to run something like Itto/Ning or GMC/Gorou/Diona, or Itto/Gorou/Beidou/Fischl?

[primal wing]

If Itto snapshots the def conversion (most likely outcome) then the difference between r5 whiteblind and r1 is around 5%. Is it worth refining whiteblind in this case?

[storm tulip]

Depends if you really have a use for the other craftable claymores

I would refine whiteblind faster than I would refine proto archaic or snowtombrd personally, but ina craftable claymore is good, so it is between the 2

[storm tulip]

Best comp would be something like itto/gorou/geo mc(ning)/shielder (xingqiu works well on the shielder slot too, damage reduction+crystallize is effectively a 100% uptime shielder)

Fischl beidou can work well too, but you are still losing part of gorou buff and is still harder on ER

[whole juniper]

I'm also thinking I want to use Beidou for my second team

Diona or XQ then? I like both. XQ actually has decent damage too from his ult (but it might not proc on Itto's charged attacks?) but Diona's healing is sweet

But depending on how tanky Itto is, maybe Crystallize + XQ dr means he'll never take damage idk

[slim compass]

Do we know how much ER itto would need in a itto gorou zhongli flex team?
For flex is it better to run Raiden, fischl or geo MC?

Or ningguang?

[static mural]

120-130 er on a 3geo team with fischl in it

if running raiden, sure but she could be in a better off in team that could maximize her potential in it that fischl is better as the flex unit. gmc/ning is a plausible option on the scenario that there is no need for a flex unit for shieldbreaking so you can go 4geo

[patent hull]

Am i ok to say that redhorn is ofc better than spine but not much much better lol

[nocturne sorrel]

7%ish is a pretty solid margin

[kind stag]

its only like 5-10% yeah

[nocturne sorrel]

used to be closer before they buffed redhorn repeatedly

[patent hull]

Good to have a pretty solid alternative thankss

[raven grotto]

should i go for blackcliff or whiteblind for itto

[nocturne sorrel]

they're about the same, do you want to save your starglitter or your claymore billets more?

[raven grotto]

ill probably roll with whiteblind then. gotta get blackcliff for xiao then, just trying to gauge which one would benefit more from blackcliff

[static mural]

xiao would like that more

[raven grotto]

ty!!

def better than the hideous weapon i have on him rn LOL

[static mural]

is it white tassel

[raven grotto]

worse

[nocturne sorrel]

mine's still using favonius

[static mural]

[raven grotto]

crescent pike

😩

[nocturne sorrel]

ok i concede, yours is worse

[static mural]

[raven grotto]

LOL

[static mural]

ok go get him a blackcliff

[raven grotto]

i got him when i had very little knowledge of genshin mechanics

so i lvled up CP

and

[static mural]

i hope its not an r5 90 pike

[raven grotto]

its r1 80

no

r2

most of my billets went into zhongli

[static mural]

u gave zhongli prototype

[hallow lark]

it's a good weapon but doesn't work for any polearm characters

[raven grotto]

my luck is so bad w/ any polearms, + im f2p

[static mural]

i hope..you get nice polearms in the future

[raven grotto]

yeah LOL

i hope so too lmao

[brisk yew]

So is C0 itto good

[static mural]

yes

[brisk yew]

Better than xiao?

[hallow lark]

maybe

[static mural]

we dont compare units from one another without specific assumptions/conditions

[hollow yarrow]

itto is better than xiao........at chopping trees

case closed

[brisk yew]

Kinda stuck between Saving for xiao or pulling for itto, I like both equally so Ig it's up to who's better

[static mural]

but yes, itto is as competent as xiao as a dps

[brisk yew]

I see

[static mural]

we could weigh out pros and cons

[hollow yarrow]

itto's more expensive to build than xiao in a team perspective right?

[static mural]

and see which one fits your account and playstyle best

[hollow yarrow]

resin constraints could also factor in your decisions

[raven grotto]

ok i had a quesiton w ittos build
how would you balance the def% stat to everything else in artifacts? like, can you have TOO much def on him

[nocturne sorrel]

i'm personally tired of xiao having to chase wolves and vishaps after every plunge

itto is less likely to have that problem

[static mural]

depends what kind of 'expensive' is your argument

[hollow yarrow]

investment into building characters

considering we still have to farm 4pc HoOD from scratch

for 3 geo characters

[brisk yew]

Does Gorou need a specific Constellation to be "good" or is his C0 good enough?
(Heard people say C0 Sara is useless & she's only usable on C2 so wanted to know if it's the same for Gorou)

[hollow yarrow]

unless 3rd geo is not def%

[brisk yew]

I mean I have Zhongli

[static mural]

no, you get def sands/geo goblet/crit circlet

er>crit>def%>atk%>base def>base atk as substat priority

[nocturne sorrel]

your dps needs it, albedo can get by w/ a scuffed set, gorou doesn't need it at all

[raven grotto]

cool ty ty

[static mural]

gorou is good enough to support at c0, rises in value at c2, undisputed for geo at c6

and no not like sara kind of c2

[brisk yew]

Sheesh

[brisk yew]

Ah ok

[nocturne sorrel]

what's c2 again?

[static mural]

buff extension 3s

[nocturne sorrel]

it's a little value i guess

itto and albedo both snapshot stats so losing the buff midway isn't a big deal

[brisk yew]

Wait itto ult snapshots?

[nocturne sorrel]

it's noelle ult so yea

[static mural]

hes expected to be

like how noelle and hutao work with their kits

[visual notch]

[blissful acorn]

except gorou c6 that is, which seems similar to sara's non shapshotting c6 if i understand correctly

[patent galleon]

it probably will be

would be pretty broken if crit dmg buffs could be snapshot

[whole juniper]

Was there new info saying he snapshots or is it still just an assumption?

[patent galleon]

assumption

we wont know until he is out

but considering his Ult is literally a copy paste of Noelle's its assumed to

[storm tulip]

It has 100% uptime either way, it is a passive that affects any geo dmg regardless of those chars being affected by gorou E/Q or not, it is an on cast trigger from gorou

So effectively, it works similar to snapshotting as long as your rotations are done correctly

[rigid bay]

You're actually giving solid advice and information on something? You're not the person I know

Sus

[static mural]

trying to sell itto

[rigid bay]

[reef stump]

Depends on where you draw the line for each.
Xiao also likes to have 2-3 5* Supports, optimally even Jean C4 which is really not very accessible.

We need to see how much worse Itto comp downgrades are, which is something I'm not super keen on looking at pre-release and want hands-on data for.

And in terms of Resin investment they are pretty much the same. Both like Albedo/ZL and neither Sucrose nor Gorou need a lot of investment.

[storm tulip]

Yeah, if anything it is the opposite

Mono elemental is easier to play around energy wise which is something xiao cant really do and unlike bennet (or sucrose/jean) gorou buffs all team members instead of just xiao/itto, so in general you can get similar damage output with lower investments across the whole squad

[whole juniper]

Since Itto is looking to be a bit single-target focused, I'm considering Itto/Gorou/Fischl/Beidou (Beidou has good AoE damage right?) to clear mixed content. Is there any other team ideas that could work for AoE? Is it even worth thinking of or should I just care about single-target situations in the first place?

[reef stump]

Beidou isn'tr true AoE but works great on 2-3 targets.

I'm not sure how ST focussed Itto will really be. Atleast the animations of his SCAs looks pretty big. It won't be the best AoE ever but you just don't really have access to the units with THAT much AoE coverage in Geo

[whole juniper]

I've even been playing with the thought of running something like Itto/Gorou/Noelle/flex and using Noelle for those "Hilichurls and slimes everywhere" fights lol

[reef stump]

Hilirchurls jsut stack up on you anyway

[whole juniper]

I don't really have resources to spare to raise a ton of characters rn so I want to limit myself to changing my Itto team around as little as possible

[reef stump]

and if they don't move and sit at the other end of the room Noelle wont help either

[whole juniper]

But tbh Beidou also seems really fun, so I'm curious how well she'd work with Itto as her driver

[reef stump]

How well Itto's timings align is to be seen

but I definitely see Itto/Geo/Fish/Bei as the most attractive Duo Geo comp for Itto

[whole juniper]

Yeah, I'll spend the first day or two just building him anyway so I can wait for the post-release data

Leaning towards duo geo since I don't have ZL or Albedo anyway

[whole juniper]

Reading up a bit more on Beidou now (never used her seriously). I do have c4 so she should definitely be buildable, but I don't have a good weapon for her. (Unless I give Itto Whiteblind and Beidou SS.) Would it be worth it anyway or should I look for something else?

[reef stump]

I wouldn't downgrade Itto for Beidou. Do you have the FIsh Claymore?

[whole juniper]

No - I googled it and apparently it's from some event that I wasn't active during?

[reef stump]

RIP that would've been a neat f2p option

[whole juniper]

It would. So, skip Beidou maybe? Best I can do is the Whiteblind I was gonna use for Itto before I decided to get BP.

[nocturne sorrel]

blackcliff?

[whole juniper]

How about Itto/Gorou/Bennett/Mona? I could do the vape combo for big burst and Bennett ult is beneficial. Wouldn't give me a particularly strong crystallise shield tho. XQ could be nice if Itto's charged attacks proc XQ ult

Blackcliff, isn't that from starglitter? I can't keep track of the claymores tbh

[nocturne sorrel]

yea 27 glitter

[whole juniper]

Don't think so, probably want my glitter for other things like more pulls or, more importantly, finally getting my Bennett c1

[reef stump]

Wouldn't provide a stable shield. ER reqs would be through the roof and doing Mona stuff would likely bite into Itto Buff uptime

[whole juniper]

True. So, how about Itto/Gorou/Diona/XQ? Ultimate comfort and XQ damage is respectable.

also I have both half-invested already

[reef stump]

Diona + XQ is overkill and doesn't make energy concerns any better

rather play FishBei with a scuffed Bei than that

[whole juniper]

Fair

Ok so between 1) Itto/Gorou/Ning or GMC/XQ or Diona, and 2) Itto/Gorou/Fish/Bei, which one?

[reef stump]

Probably not too far apart tbh.

[whole juniper]

Then probably the first, my Ning is already pretty invested and that'll let me focus my resources on my second team

Basically in 1) I'll only have to build Itto really, between slapping some def% pieces on Gorou, using my already built Ning and Diona/XQ

[charred crag]

I'm wondering how Noelle/yunjin/albedo/gorou will fare compared to a resonance/microwave comp with Noelle/GMC/zhong/albedo haha. Got everything I need to 90 itto and 70/80 gorou once I get them, but sadly no itto artis worth using yet (and mediocre 150CV high def% ones for albedo). Just wondering if c6 Noelle will still have a niche because she's my original waifu

[storm tulip]

no fav/sac greatswords?

[teal sable]

not necessarily tc but do you think it's worth it to wish after I hit hard pity for gorou c6? and if so, how much should I wish upto? lowest pity I've hit on limited banner is 76 i think, so I'm planning to go up to 60.

I'm currently at 20 pity, guaranteed, and I've got 22k primos

[static mural]

if you do not want itto then you shouldnt wish at all, rolling a 4* on guaranteed is risky

[tiny flint]

So this is probably a very dumb question but
Would blackcliff or whiteblind work better for Itto?

[static mural]

whiteblind

[teal sable]

i definitely want itto lol

I mean, should I go for more gorou's after pity restarts.

[unique rover]

It depends if u wanna risk pulling more

If u want xl/barbs too

[static mural]

you can decide after rolling. see how many gorous youve got?

if i get c4 within 75 pulls ill pull more after but if i get c0-c2 after 70 pulls ill just stop because the luck is low

[teal sable]

ok, I think I'll go up to 40 pity after i get itto

[reef stump]

I would make that dependent on what your plans are beyond Itto. C0 -> C6 Gorou is not only a 15% increase for Itto himself but also pretty much the entire Team assuming Triple/Quad Geo. So while Itto Cons themselves are not huge, in combination with attaining C6 Gorou that is still a pretty good value proposition if you want to maximize an Itto Team.

[storm tulip]

also both itto's first constellations while not a straight big damage upgrade, they are good QoL upgrades for his kit, I imagine how fluid itto feels to play between c0 and c2 to be vastly different

c2 especially helps the energy issues with 2 geo comps for situations where you might need shieldbreaking capabilities

[tired wyvern]

Is this a good plan? Sorry id this has been asked already!!

Itto: blackcliff, def sands, geo goblet, crit rate circlet

Gorou: fav bow, er sands, def goblet, def circlet? basically not giving gorou any crits

[real phoenix]

gorou needs crit if you're using fav

[tired wyvern]

Oh okay!! So I should give him a crit rate circlet then instead of double def :D thank you!!

[whole juniper]

Btw, what level is sufficient for Gorou? 60/70 or more?

Since his ult damage scales off of def, I'm thinking maybe more, but I dunno if it's significant enough

[patent scaffold]

Hello friends, can anyone verify #s on my sheet before I move forward implementing more objects in DB? This is C6 R5 Itto during burst with 4PC HoOD and no external buffs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/178G6hLHzB1P76YeQBQVIQtnX6RwC4zAaqSV8runHI-c/edit?usp=sharing

Numbers on sheet are all reactive so you can change artifacts etc around to see changes.

[languid linden]

hi i got 4 set hoOD with good stat how much is a good idea for itto crit 50%/210% or 70%/170% ?

[cyan prism]

Will itto potential to share the dps same tier as eula or kokomi or keqing or someone else?

[cyan prism]

Latter

[blissful acorn]

is this artifacts only, or does it include itto's ascension crit rate?

[languid linden]

itto ascension too i got that stat with xiao as example

[blissful acorn]

i see, then indeed the 70%/170% option as it is generally better to get close to 1:2 ratio

given the same CV that is, but coincidentally both your options are 310% CV

[spark aurora]

c6 gorou would also increase your cdmg

[blissful acorn]

oh true that. you can lean more heavily into crit rate if your gorou happens to be c6.

[static mural]

waiting for his release before putting him on a decent comparison against other units.

even so, itto is a competent dps at c0 like other onfield carries

[reef stump]

Currently I see him a bit stronger than Eula C0 vs C0. However ideally you wait the last3 days and check back here Day 1 of his release, where we will find out if current Pre-Release TC assumptions actually translate into reality

[unique rover]

3 days...

[spark aurora]

[hallow lark]

hey

can anyone confirm that gorous buff doesn't work for on off field character?

[real phoenix]

if you’re referring to albedo, then albedo snapshots his flower, so you just need gorou buff on him for when he places down his flower and it’ll have the buffed stats for the duration

[little quiver]

Albedo should snapshot the E buffs and the ascension buff because they should be straight universal stats but maybe for the C6 it'could be like Sara's that can't be snapshots but still apply for the duration (12sec in gorou's case) because it's a geo specific buff but yeah that's probably 95% as effective just refresh the E with gorou's buff from time to time
Edit : could I haven't seen confirmation on it

[reef stump]

Gorou C6 shouldn't snapshot but it will have atleast close to full uptime anyway and the C6 also states its teamwide, so no issues there

[static mural]

a leaker got to showcasing c6 itto vs hillichurl
https://youtu.be/_-ihPar2tM0

[turbid dagger]

Wow, see. He's dealing 9999999 damage even without his ult. Literally the best DPS in the game!

[unique rover]

The ca seems so snappy

[static mural]

18scas.. you just hold until they die

[turbid dagger]

How much stamina does it consume though?

[unique rover]

None

[turbid dagger]

Oh fuck.

[static mural]

itto privilege

[turbid dagger]

So, he just consumes stacks of his Superlative Superstrength instead?

[unique rover]

Yes

[turbid dagger]

That's so messed up.

[unique rover]

Charge to win

[kind stag]

how is that messed up LOL

[turbid dagger]

I wish I had a character that didn't consume stamina with charged attacks. I wish I had C1 Tao

[hollow yarrow]

what's a good basic build for Gorou?

[real phoenix]

ningguang

[unique rover]

Er/Def geo/Def cr favonius bow 4pnob

[hollow yarrow]

ty

tho is it fine if i use 4HoOD instead because i have no noblesse and im too lazy to farm there

[unique rover]

It is fine, 4pnob is just for team buff because he doesn't do much

[hollow yarrow]

ah I see, ty

[static mural]

4 exile/ 4eosf/ 2husk2eosf / 2eosf2petra/4nobless

favonius bow

er/def/crit substat priority is er and crit rate

[kind stag]

4 eosf seems copium

gorou damage is ass

[static mural]

technically

it doesnt matter

[kind stag]

truueee

[unique rover]

Make do of what's around

[static mural]

he just needs high er for uptime and crit rate to proc fav passive consistently

[hollow yarrow]

is it fine if I go with these instead since there's lot of def in substats?

[unique rover]

For itto or gorou

[hollow yarrow]

gorou

[unique rover]

For gorou it's fine

[hollow yarrow]

i see

[static mural]

whats your gorous er

[unique rover]

Stack more er though

[turbid dagger]

I'm gonna farm EoSF for Gorou 'cause I don't wanna farm more Husk pieces, and I need to farm for Hu Tao and Xingqiu.

[hollow yarrow]

i will just slap this on gorou with r5 fav bow

[static mural]

yess go do that

[hollow yarrow]

ty everyone

ill see you guys later

[unique rover]

Am I tripping or

Why does it say e is not a significant portion of his dmg

[static mural]

huh

relatively you only cast ushi twice in a rotation but is it really that terrible

[red umbra]

so I'm here with a very simple question, based on the calcs and everything is Itto looking to be powerful?

[unique rover]

Isn't it like a big chunk of his dmg

[reef stump]

Because the listed combo only uses E once per rotation, which halves its value

[unique rover]

Oh

I see

[rigid bay]

raikh's rotation incorporates two Es, it's tighter but does put higher value on it in general

[unique rover]

I didn't see the rot

[reef stump]

which is super sus to me

[unique rover]

I'd say the utilization of his e is a must

[real phoenix]

@reef stump only thing i see here that's cool is N4 to SCAs, should i count?

[static mural]

ah i get it

sitri doesnt account two Es

[reef stump]

I don't think its worthwhile. Should jsut wait for release at this point

[unique rover]

Why do I feel like I don't see the atk speeds reflecting the showcases

For ca specifically

[real phoenix]

frame counts show it's there

[unique rover]

I see

[static mural]

he's great at what he does like other c0 hypercarries, but not the one you would bring for speedruns

[red umbra]

can he be compared to xiao in any way? I want to pull on one of them

[static mural]

sitri henlo

[frosty ferry]

his comps are decent, he doesnt contribute the damage that you would expect of a hypercarry though. Albedo actually boost the comp really fkn hard

[frosty ferry]

hi hi

i didnt even know

this thread exist

until today

[spark aurora]

[static mural]

damn

[unique rover]

The c4 though

[static mural]

we r an illusion in here

[unique rover]

Isn't his rotations tight enough to make him at least get some buff

Like 2 seconds

[dapper bramble]

thats what i thought too. weird. probably they didnt think about hitlag ex. i thought this is where they got their info on.

[unique rover]

Or if his burst snapshots c4

[frosty ferry]

itto issue in his comps is his best support, gorou, for some fkn reason doesnt buff him the whole duration

[rigid bay]

We were never real to Sitri's eyes, merely a white noise

Sudden buff to gorou's Q duration thx

[unique rover]

Isn't it like just 1-2 seconds down time

Unless ofc c2 doesn't take effect

[static mural]

he can be compared with xiao by the virtue of being a hypercarry, though damage wise i guess we will have to wait when he releases. xiao's strengths lies in his aoe

[unique rover]

Which is....

More likely

[frosty ferry]

swap timing is a thing

[tranquil widget]

i'm of the opinion that itto is balanced around his c2 (+c6 gorou)

[unique rover]

Is 1 second cast not enough

[frosty ferry]

he gets realistically 7-8s buff, so his last AK slash round doesnt get buffed

[unique rover]

What's the frame count

[red umbra]

thank you so much

[unique rover]

Unless ofc there's none KAHSJSHS

[frosty ferry]

check the sheet in the faq

all the frames are in there

[rigid bay]

His strength also lies in how he makes his enemies dies from second hand cringe

Jokes, love him nonetheless

[unique rover]

Ohhhhh

I didn't see there's more up the leaks faq

[dapper bramble]

still doesnt mean you shouldnt use 2nd E in one burst right?

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

Xiao primary advantage is that he's got excellent batteries to assist him, albeit no one specific support to really boost his own power

Apart from Benny for obvious reasons

[frosty ferry]

your 2nd E wont get the ult buff, once you account for hitlag on your CAs

[unique rover]

Wonder if ca can be canceled by e smoothly

[rigid bay]

[static mural]

you can check back here again when he releases, im pulling for itto and i also have a hyperinvested xiao to make some comparisons with their playstyles

[frosty ferry]

we drew some decent conclusions from combo that help us built more rotations, but exact frame counts and feasibility has to be done live

[dapper bramble]

arent hitlag extend your Q duration? and making 2nd E more viable?

[rigid bay]

literally im personally gonna pour all resource into him to the max on day one

except

im at work at that time so i cant demonstrate to u

[frosty ferry]

we dont know if it does on itto, hitlag extension is a weird mechanic no one knows how it exactly works yet

[dense ingot]

[rigid bay]

oh wait i forgot to build gorou's set

[unique rover]

I DON'T HAVE GOROU SET YET

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

Lemme uhhh

Lemme make my gorou set less

[rigid bay]

itto immune to hitlag with his SCAs trust

jokes, imagine if that was ever real lol

it'd fuck up some frame counts alr done accounted for

plus real video showcases

so many new exciting things to expect

itto, minecraft 1.18, new games to buy

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

yo

2 days

hows it feelin

[spark aurora]

[unique rover]

It's...

Lemme sleep again

[spark aurora]

[static mural]

@frosty ferry who did you calc as flex for dugtrio

also, thank you for using dugtrio

dugtrio name will be spread soon

[frosty ferry]

I dont do team calcs pre release ever, also I dont choose that name, its emilia

you know I hate team names

[static mural]

[rigid bay]

but dugtrio

idk who the fuck came up with that though

[static mural]

i know but we should really be thinking of a cool team name for eula qiqi variation

[steep marsh]

maybe I'll level my Skyward Pride in the case I wanna run Beidou and Itto at the same time

[static mural]

it was me u mf

[rigid bay]

oh yeah i totally didnt know that

[rigid bay]

but

fish beidou

[static mural]

u see

toro's beidou has a 40cdmg artifact

his beidou is on 70/200 and hits like a truck

[rigid bay]

sounds like another request to R5 SS

gogoogogg

[steep marsh]

I could if I switch my circlet to a CR one tbh
but I rather use Serpent Spine on the off-field character if possible

and Skyward isnt that much worse for Itto

also helps with ER

[rigid bay]

hm

i mean its a possibility

i assume u just dont have like

the full cast for a dugtrio?

[spark aurora]

he does

[frosty ferry]

im fkn disappointed in this community

[static mural]

real recognizes real

[steep marsh]

I have it

its just in case that I need Beidou on the other side
which probably wont happen

but hey, at least it gives me a reason to level my only other 5* weapon

[rigid bay]

just level em up so u got yer options open

plus by our levels resources arent too much of an issue unless u dont hoard slightly

[steep marsh]

tbh, it would be more of a Mora problem than a XP crystal problem

[rigid bay]

me with 18m mora atm

jk

its all cool

just progress slowly and farm

[unique rover]

[unique rover]

should i a6 gorou and itto or a5 gorou and lvl 90 itto

im lacking wits

[turbid dagger]

Just get both to level 90.

[unique rover]

i mean

in the mean time

while im to get wits

[turbid dagger]

Gorou can be left at A5 without too big of a loss.

[unique rover]

owki thankss

[reef stump]

Gorou's dmg is abysmal and his Buffs don't scale on his Stats

With even his E Buff not scaling very well with Talent Level

[unique rover]

im just thinking about the talent

[reef stump]

So A5 is more than fine

Like even A4 is manageable

DEF Buff at T6 is 289, 330 at T8, 350 at T9

So from T6 to T9 is a whopping 61 Flat DEF

[slim compass]

I know we can't tell for sure, but any chance itto will be hutao level dps? Or do they need to buff his pre-release by a lot for that to happen?

[frigid hound]

ur not gonna get a straight answer for that type of question

But he is around the ball park of other carries

[austere forum]

I have a doubt
does itto's ult give atk bonus based on his base def or his total def?

[unique rover]

Total

[austere forum]

So if he has 2k def and 1.2k atk he'll have 3.2k atk?

[unique rover]

Depends on the multiplier of ult

Though total attack will be
Atk + Def * burst conversion mult

[austere forum]

At lvl10?

Its 103% right

[unique rover]

If lvl 10 then ur somewhat close

And your perception of the subject is right

[austere forum]

Alright thanks

[rigid bay]

@inland tree

hi

talk here

[inland tree]

Hello

[rigid bay]

sigh.

anyway

my suggestion would be, as you're expecting a new character eventually

is to farm both gold and blue leylines for the time as resin sink, unless u want to improve your current artifact sets

as you'd need more than what you have atm to get a character immediately up and running

[inland tree]

Thanks, what are the odds of Xiao rerun in 2.4? Almost possible?

[analog obsidian]

It really is up to mhy

Most ppl speculate xiao and ganyu

[rigid bay]

yeah, it could change if they wanted to, so dont put too much hope in

but they will usually release the new patch banner before 2nd banner of previous patch expire

[analog obsidian]

Could be 3 Childe banner and shenhe is actually in 2.7

[rigid bay]

so you can make an informed decision right there and then

[rigid bay]

oh god

[inland tree]

But Xiao rerun is most likely to happen than Zhongli right?

[rigid bay]

yeah its likely, but never 100%

hence why i suggest wait until banner reveal on livestream for 2.4

[analog obsidian]

Mhy boutta do a pro gamer move with a qiqi banner

[rigid bay]

lol imagine

boom

klee banner outta nowhere

[analog obsidian]

A reason to save primos

[little quiver]

Somehow Klee is really good against those wolves, for this abyss my pure pyro scuffed klee(8/8/7) did quite better than my vape geo bro Tao or any of my non Raiden teams. Somehow the wolves being Perma staggered makes them takes baths in aoe and bombs

[unique rover]

My Xiao clearing them

[frigid hound]

Stagger really fucks them up

Most of the raiden c2 clears Ive seen is also reliant on stagger grouping

[thin pumice]

Can we opt out of Bennett in the Ushi Oven comp?

[Itto] [ZL] [Gorou] [?/MC/Ning]

Who could fit in the 4 spot and around how much weaker does the team get?

[languid linden]

[rigid bay]

Bennett in that comp only served to amp up Zhongli's resonance with others, so it'll take a bit of hit, but I don't think it would affect the overall team as much, as majority of the damage will be contributed by Itto himself.

You could opt for GMC to expand the range the microwave could cover at the expense of damage, of course, while putting additional buff of crit rate to Itto on the next rot.

But keep in mind, Itto already have high innate crit rate from his ascension, especially if you pair him with SS, so it may not be as necessary.

You can alternatively go for turret like Fischl to instead focus on producing crystals for Gorou to pick up, which if you have a certain constellation of his, allow you to heal up passively for the uptime of Oz applying electro on enemies. Fischl herself provides decent amount of damage to contribute to the team.

I presume you don't have Albedo at all to consider the base mono comp.

Ningguang, is a viable option too as she does buff geo damage by passing through her jade, and provides energy on top of burst damage when allowed to Q. Her Jade Banner itself may even be used to an advantage if your ZL shield somehow expired mid-rotation to avoid taking chip damage from ranged attacks and the like.

[thin pumice]

Thanks a lot!

[whole juniper]

So, since I've not got Albedo or ZL I've been thinking about comps. Leaning towards Itto/Gorou/Ning/Flex still, also to free up other characters for second team. People are recommending Fischl for fourth slot for crystallize and energy, but I'm thinking... Is there a reason electro MC couldn't work? I haven't used it much but from what I read it gives stupid amounts of energy regen, and also gives electro for 12 sec from its burst that triggers on normal and charged attacks, which is plenty of crystallize uptime besides.

[rigid bay]

Electro MC needs a battery to be a good battery

[patent hull]

Would itto have to manage keeping the enemy within albedo's circle as he pushes enemies away (like overload ig)?

[rigid bay]

So if you end up collecting your own E jades meant for Itto or someone on team, why even have him on the team?

[whole juniper]

Ah darn

I just really can't stand fischl lol

plus mine is only c1

[static mural]

theres diona

[rigid bay]

Albedo's circle range is pretty large so you shouldn't have too much of an issue of enemies being out of the range for the most part, and his ult rotation isn't as long as like Noelle, so you can switch out to Albedo to replace flower to a better position once you're done with Itto's burst rotation.

[whole juniper]

I like Diona tons more. Her crystallize uptime isn't great tho

But what makes fischl so great? From what I see in her kit Oz has an uptime of 10 sec on a 25 sec cooldown. That's not a lot of uptime?

[static mural]

diona makes up for it with her healing and shield

[whole juniper]

25 sec is also longer than your Itto rotation if I'm not wrong

[patent hull]

Thanks. Because i sometimes have this issue with xiao when he staggers and pushes enemies away

Which is obv dps loss

[whole juniper]

I mean, if Diona isn't crap with Itto I'll use her for sure, she's already half-invested and super comfy to have

[rigid bay]

Do consider that most enemies that you face in abyss will be resistant to stagger and often large in nature anyway, so it should be even harder to push them away

[whole juniper]

It's just that everybody is saying Fischl. Guessing because she has more energy regen?

[patent hull]

Yeah, like maguus. I guess i was thinking about rifthounds

[rigid bay]

Fischl have a decent lasting turret on field, provides good damage, and also electro application for geo to react to, which is why she's often recommended.

Of course, there are more alternatives, but they won't work as good as what is already recommended.

[patent hull]

I hope he has wide hitbox so he can hit 3 maguus at the same time

[whole juniper]

My current set for Itto has 137% energy regen. So I guess it's a tad on the lower side, but hopefully it'll get better with better pieces down the road. Think that'll work alright with Itto/Gorou/Ning/Diona?

[onyx junco]

she can have almost 100% uptime if you use her burst to reposition and reset oz

[whole juniper]

Ah

Oh btw, since I swapped to PC recently I guess I can use all these fancy programs to export my artefacts and such. What do people use for that?

[rigid bay]

137% is pretty nice. Mine's only 122%, so yeah

[rigid bay]

I believe it's something called Genshin Optimiser, you have to scour abit to find what tool it is exactly

On phone so yeah.

[whole juniper]

I got lucky with my Circlet, for once:

[static mural]

tartaglia on a 4* circlet

[whole juniper]

But alright, so, you think Fischl would be better than Diona for Itto/Gorou/Ning? Diona's shield and healing is very comfy tho

[whole juniper]

The one I screenshotted is literally the first 5* crit circlet I get 😦 I have had horrid luck

Also Tartaglia isn't built atm, might do it for my second team tho. Deciding between him and Hu Tao as focus still, can't make up my mind

[static mural]

i think diona is a comfy pick

not a bad alternative at all

[whole juniper]

Nice

[static mural]

im not confident my dugtrio can breeze the current abyss without a healer lol

[whole juniper]

While I'm asking things: How much better do my stats have to be to forego 4p HoOD? Like, I have these two feathers to choose from atm:

Would that + a good def sands (mine is rubbish) be more damage than 4p HoOD?

[static mural]

put it in an itto optimzer

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bmByRX706a0afz8AQcUaNiPwSeBDsr19sPYhj0VlEks/

[whole juniper]

Ty

[static mural]

that lavawalker piece really good though

[whole juniper]

Yeah, it's one of my best, I'm using it on Ning instead of a useful set bonus atm

[static mural]

yeah ning can do a 2p2p mix and match

itto on the other hand

the set bonus is too good to pass

[onyx junco]

i did it without a healer, but i had to pick a card that gives you hp when using bursts

[static mural]

lol

i can do it with taser sucrose

but thats a playstyle that doesnt need to touch the enemies at all

[rigid bay]

Wut there's already an Itto optimizernlol

Who made this

[static mural]

u not in itto mains

[rigid bay]

I've seen some shit

So I don't view discord mains as a good place

[little quiver]

That's from itto mains yeah. They had 2 guy post a calculator each really early

[rigid bay]

I'm not sure how it is now but like

Some people I've seen from _mains have been egoistical pricks going on a powertrip

[static mural]

its still stc anyway, until he goes live

[rigid bay]

So I can't say I view them in a good light

[static mural]

itto mains tc is fine, they have cooldowns and everything, their tc channel is strictly regulated to tc

[rigid bay]

Hm

[static mural]

its not like here where people share art of their waifus for some reason out of nowhere

[onyx junco]

i used a keqing shit comp and raiden national, for some odd reason the keqing team was carrying my raiden team xD

[rigid bay]

damn u gotta call out on them

[static mural]

skill issue for me i have terrible gamer hands

[rigid bay]

Well, we're all built different

I've made stupid mistakes myself

Like, confidently eating kenki's slashes thinking I have ZL shield still

Spoiler: I didn't

So my ningg died in one shot

[whole juniper]

Ok so I did - even with a theoretically similarly godlike sands as my feather, 2p HoOD ends up far behind my shittier statted 4p HoOD

[static mural]

well

thats expected

keep grinding

[whole juniper]

I mean tbh I'm pretty happy with my set atm - with ascension crit and SS I end up at 80/180 with 137% ER

And down the line when I feel it's not enough I'll be motivated to grind more because pretty much anything will be better than the def sands I have now :p

[static mural]

oh yours is quite balanced

my itto would have 79/193 at 127er

[onyx junco]

that sounds pretty good tho, mine is 80/172 with 120% ER

[sharp sinew]

70:180 140ER is good?

[whole juniper]

I farmed for like 2 weeks without anything good, then suddenly got several pretty nice things in two days :p was about to lose hope

I didn't realize I had good stuff until I factored in SS and ascension crit either. Having so much external crit rate is really nice

[static mural]

the real pain is attaining a 4p set

other dps can get by a hybrid of 2p2p but itto...itto

[whole juniper]

Btw, if I'm using Diona with Itto, is 4p noblesse still the way to go? Or should I go with something like 2p Tenacity/2p something?

[static mural]

4no unless your gorou also is on 4no

[analog obsidian]

Yea

[whole juniper]

I have no idea what my Gorou is gonna be. Maybe better for him to be 4no and Diona to be shield-focused? Since Gorou gains nothing from any set really other than no afaik?

[static mural]

yeah that works too

the priority goes for gorou reaching the right er threshold and crit to proc the fav passive

[little quiver]

wait, what's your comp? You are going to need a lot of ER on that Diona and/or field time if you expect to run with sacrificial instead of Favonius

[whole juniper]

Itto/Gorou/Ning/Diona. Tbh I might actually go NO on Gorou and focus more on Diona's shield - that way I can just use her ult for healing and not have to use it on cooldown to keep up NO

[languid linden]

damn if i not get gorou i confused to search battery for itto

[little quiver]

Yeah but don't forget about ER for her she is going to need a lot of it unless you only burst on her half of every rotations

[whole juniper]

Yeah, I have 125 pulls or something but I'm still scared I won't get Gorou

[whole juniper]

she has a bunch atm, will have to think about it if I change away from NO tho

[languid linden]

is geo mc are good to be battery for itto?

[little quiver]

but yeah Diona is dealing nothing so may as well have a good shield if you don't have ZL or a crystalize factory aka Fischl/Raiden/Ganyu or some other long duration off field element appliers

[whole juniper]

Yeah, so maybe go with Tenacity/something for her and NO for Gorou

since Gorou is definitely gonna ult on cooldown

[little quiver]

Gorou needs nothing as his buff don't scale at all with his stats so yeah having him on NO makes senses

[slim pivot]

What seems to be the best itto team right now?

Itto, Gorou, albedo and fischl?

Itto, Gorou, albedo and zhongli?

[reef stump]

Should be Itto/Gorou/Albedo/ZL as long as there are no shieldbreaking requirements

[static mural]

can zl shield keep the uptime until the final slash i have some worries about the 4 geo rotation

[reef stump]

ZLs shield lasts 20s, basically the entire rotation unless it breaks

[unique rover]

my noelle has 30/140 and 105% er with no def sands