Itto Thread

[rigid bay]

On a perfect world, Itto would want all 3 of his skills crowned. Each facet of his abilities have significant damage output and shouldn't be left alone, unlike for example, Albedo with his AAs levels. Itto's bread and butter are his AAs and Q, as they are what you will be primarily using to output the most damage in his rotation time.

However, his E also holds significant value, dealing roughly 3 SCAs worth of damage (552.6% multiplier at Lv.10). While the 10 seconds cooldown may seem to make it not as important in the long run, you have to remember that the damage it inflicts is instant.

This is an important consideration because you will want to incorporate as much damage output as possible while within Itto's burst duration, moreso because it does not last for too long. In this case, the E skill is very perfectly capable of doing that as it too gets buffed while Itto is in burst mode. 3 SCAs worth of damage, which would usually take like 2 seconds to execute, done in an instant by said E skill. Frame consideration and hitlags shows that you are able to casts E twice in a single Q, so that alone is already 6 SCAs, not an amount to be scoffed at.

Now, if you can, I'd suggest at least doing 10/9/10 if your resources allows, but do keep your options free. You never know if you want a beefier E.

Of course, this is a personal opinion of mine based on the math I've seen. Feel free to adjust how much exactly you want to invest into for Itto. Crowns are a limited resource after all.

[wheat karma]

i might get another crown from the sakura soon, ill consider 10/9/10 since im probably gonna do the same 10/9/10 for koko

thank you though this helped a lot

[rigid bay]

Yeah, you're welcome. I personally will be doing 10/10/10 because, well, I seldom crown anyone outside Geo except Bennett anyway

[sharp sinew]

If I only started playing earlier I would've triple crown him

[rigid bay]

I mean that's fine, eventually you'd get enough crowns anyway from events. In the meantime, hell, even 9/9/9 is already pretty dank. From a resource standpoint, that alone is already a hell lot of shit to consume.

[analog obsidian]

Goodbye mora

[rigid bay]

Lol I calculated that if I were to maximize both Itto and Gorou to the max

I'm talking 10/10/10 lv.90

I'd need 14.2m mora

Then again I'm kinda begging the game to burn my mora at this point, 20m mora just being stagnant

Economically just printing money

[atomic sundial]

ur doing AA crown Gorou?

[storm tulip]

Gorou AAs are not worth levelling at all and his crowns are pretty low impact, I wouldnt crown him myself, but if you want to go ahead

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, even 1/1/1 would still net you a decent buff with Gorou.

[static mural]

1/9/6 for ultimate min maxing

but xan is a geo simp and will crown nonetheless i think

[sharp sinew]

he's a geo main

every geo gets triple crowned

[rigid bay]

Lmfaooo if I did that I would be so bankrupt for crowns

[turbid dagger]

Are you not?

[sharp sinew]

nope, I just like Itto

[storm tulip]

I mean i am a geo main too, we dont have enough crowns to triple crown all geo chars let alone waste one on gorou AA

[rigid bay]

To be honest at this point it's more like I want to actually burn my mora lol

Because I've held such a huge amount for so long its starting to get.. uh, how do you call it... Stuffy?

But yes as I've mentioned, had crowns be a farmable resources, no matter how tediously bullsh_t it is, I would have with most certainty 10/10/10 every breathing geo person

Because they all deserve it

[storm tulip]

Yeah same, mihoyo really needs to give us either more crowns or a renewable way to get them, tree helped, but 1 crown per patch is just abysmal

[sharp sinew]

they should give out atleast 2 crowns per event

[languid linden]

yea i asking about itto q snapshot
is this gonna be like noelle?

[atomic sundial]

oh we don't know yet

[patent galleon]

we dont know yet, but its very likely

considering his Q is literally the same as noelle's

[slim pivot]

.

[somber sandal]

they might do transient resin but crown every month or so
and those crowns are the only way to get lvl 15 talents

[marble pebble]

hows ittos numbers looking

im planning on double crowning him

[analog obsidian]

Check pins

[marble pebble]

oh wait yeah nvm

tyty

[arctic bramble]

is it true ??? 😮

[reef stump]

Itto is looking good but that post is just BS. Itto is not insanely OP, he is right around the power level most C0 5* DPS find themselves at

[ancient pecan]

maybe he forgot to add enemy defense to his calcs

[reef stump]

or is using maxed out Artifacts and throws that against KQM Standards

or fantasizing up nonsense

[ancient pecan]

yea
itto is looking strong, but not gamebreaking

[arctic bramble]

he also said sukokomon is the best team in the game

[reef stump]

Sukoko is great but certainly not the best Team in the game.

[arctic bramble]

i wonder why he would post this under every comment 🤔

oh well

[analog obsidian]

Karma-whoring ig

[slim compass]

110k team dps... Is that very exaggerated? What kind of dps should we actually expect?

[patent galleon]

Check pins

Most of the time people who post stuff like that don’t account for enemy Defense or resistances from my experiences

[slim compass]

Ok f it, I'm skipping Eula and getting Itto

[turbid dagger]

Eula's a lot easier to build around tbh.

[slim pivot]

Is there a shenhe thread like this itto one?

[turbid dagger]

Yes.

[onyx junco]

wdym?

[slim pivot]

How to get access to it again

[turbid dagger]

Click the threads button.

[real phoenix]

#913131898266587148

[turbid dagger]

Well, it's just, there's a ton of comps that work for Eula. Idk if that'll be the case with Itto. I keep seeing just one or two comps being put out there.

[slim pivot]

Thank u!

[onyx junco]

i dont know about her being flexible, because she always needs diona and an off field electro applier. but i get your point, itto's best teams consist of albedo and/or zhongli, so he is kinda limited by that

[turbid dagger]

I mean, she's flexible in that you can build some of her best comps without any other 5*s. lol

[slim pivot]

Raiden is exponentially good for her tho

[turbid dagger]

This is why I didn't say her absolute best comp.

[slim pivot]

Yea but then itto can work fine too

If it's itto and Gorou

[slim compass]

Well ok, my decision is a bit tough here, I have Raiden Zhongli and Childe. So right now Childe is taking up the national team and Raiden is a bit idle. So I can get Eula to pair with Raiden, or I could try to run Raiden as carry..

[slim pivot]

Well if u don't want any upcoming 5 star

Then Eula is an awesome addition

[slim compass]

I'm at 62 pity for a guaranteed. I'm thinking I'll skip Eula to see how good Itto is, if he's not good I'll save the guaranteed for Ganyu

[slim pivot]

Tough one there...

[slim compass]

Cause there's a chance Yae will pair really well with Raiden

[slim pivot]

Yea, but it's a chance only

Eula and Raiden are the powerhouse duo rn

[slim compass]

Haha I swear, I switch between wanting to pull for Eula, Itto or Ganyu on a daily basis

[slim pivot]

And Ganyu from what i've heard falls short of ayaka recently if u care about meta.

Since Venti is going down, so is Ganyu's Morgana

[slim pivot]

Ur pain is relatable

[slim compass]

I do have Mona too, but no venti, just Kazuha. But yea Ganyu is kinda a safety fallback for me, I don't really like the charge shot, I would really rather have Ayaka

[patent galleon]

i think it should also come down to enjoyment/gameplay. Eula/Itto/Ganyu are all strong. but i wouldnt pull simply based on which is the strongest. personally i find ganyu gameplay very very boring outside of morgana.

[slim pivot]

If you don't like charged shots and like ayaka more
Then u should definitely just wait for Ayaka's rerun lol

[patent galleon]

i do agree that Eula has cheaper viable team comps tho, Itto is very expensive/limited in terms of his ideal comps.

[reef stump]

only if Eula is C6. C0 Raiden + Eula is good but not excpetional by any means. Raiden is largely the better DPS by herself, too

[slim pivot]

Well there u have it

[slim compass]

My kujou sara is c3 now, and Benny is on the other team so my Hypercarry Raiden would probably underperform

[slim pivot]

Guess u can pass on Eula if Raila isn't as good as Hyper raiden or raiden national

But u have childe occupied there

So it may be tough

[reef stump]

If you can't field a proper Team for Raiden that ofc changes things. Childe and Raiden fight over certain supports

[slim compass]

Yea there's also the possibility of running Childe beidou comps I guess..

[reef stump]

Those still run Bennett

[slim pivot]

And u need to invest in Beidou who doesn't work with Raiden

Or do people just put fishl in there now

[storm tulip]

it is not as much of an itto thing as much as it is a gorou thing

gorou is his best buffer and he wants the extra geo unit on top

[slim compass]

There's also the risk of having shitty rng and not getting a single gorou...

[storm tulip]

and it ends up being his best comp overall

[slim pivot]

What team is hyper raiden again? Is it Raiden, fishal, sara and kazuha?

[ruby tundra]

Anoither question: Are any of itto's constellations really worth getting

[storm tulip]

raiden sara bennet kazuha

[storm tulip]

c6

[ruby tundra]

So I stick with c0 got it

lol

[reef stump]

Only C6 is noteworthy and consistent

[ruby tundra]

I was considering getting his C1

[reef stump]

C1 and C2 are msotly QoL that depend on a bunch of factors to produce real value.

[slim compass]

Is that dmg per rotation?

[reef stump]

Yes

at 30 perfect Substats, T10/10/10 Talents and C6 Gorou buffed

very high investment

[ruby tundra]

So his c1 isn't a must have?

[slim compass]

Ah I see, what if gorou was c0? Would you lose a lot?

[storm tulip]

yeah, imho, c2 has a lot of value because it makes 2 geo comps way easier on ER, improving his flexibility on teams, but even at c0 it is not like the requirements are unwieldly

[slim pivot]

I've heard Itto, albedo, Gorou and Raiden would work good tho

Can anyone tell me if this actually is a worthwhile team

Or would itto and raiden just fight for DPS screen time

[reef stump]

C0 -> C6 Gorou is roughly a 15% dmg icnrease for Itto

[storm tulip]

it is fine, raiden guarantees the crystallize uptime, but actually using her Q is usually a dps loss if you have enough energy to ult on cooldown without it (unless raiden is c2)

[reef stump]

this. Itto is more of a Xiao case than a Eula case current standings

and is unlikely to want Raiden

[ruby tundra]

Do we by chance have his DPS rotation and combos?

or are we waiting for his official release

[storm tulip]

raikh's are pinned

still assumptions based on leaked videos though

[reef stump]

Itto's DPS rotation is lsited on the pic above. Have to wait for confirmation on release though if they work out like that

Itto will also have no fixed combos since you won't always have the same amount of Stacks per rot

[storm tulip]

yup, being an auto attack based dps makes it so we can only have certain assumptions post release

[reef stump]

so you will have to adjust on the fly

[slim pivot]

Oh well...can u atleast throw in a fischl then?

[ruby tundra]

I assume with Itto we aren't gonna be doing normal attacks unless we are in his burst?

[reef stump]

Sure

[reef stump]

You wont be on itto outside of his Q

[storm tulip]

not really, you might want to start the 1st rotation with an ushi cast+N2, but I'm not even sure it is worth putting his Q on a delay at the beginning like that

[ruby tundra]

Dumb question probably. Do we not go into his burst with full stacks?

[storm tulip]

might be situational depending on floor configuration

[ruby tundra]

do we build them inside his q?

[slim pivot]

....why Bennett...and sara tho

[reef stump]

I checked. Current frames makes it roughly equivalent to start from any number of Stacks. You basically need extra Stack gain during his SCA combos to leverage early Stacks at all.

[slim compass]

Yea I might put xingqiu instead of Bennett

[storm tulip]

from the combos we have so far only first rotation really doesnt, from then on you should end the Q with either full stacks or near that regardless

[slim compass]

Oh, do we know how much stronger c0 itto is compared to C6 Noelle?

[slim pivot]

Kazuha is there for the swirls

[reef stump]

C0 Itto is estimated to be roughly 50% above C6 Noelle under the same circumstances in terms of personal damage.

[storm tulip]

because bennet is broken and is the best slot for that team he also improves team damage a lot due to overloads (with kazuha enabling them)

[slim compass]

Dang...

[slim pivot]

Oh ok... thought too much atk with sara and benny would hit diminishing returns but i guess not

[ruby tundra]

Regarding c1, why isn't c1 a straight buff? Doesn't it allow us to CA more for free? or am I just wrong?

[storm tulip]

it is called raiden hyper carry for a reason, it is all buffs on her and the comp is by far the one producing best results in abyss, usually around 10 seconds faster clears on average than other comps

[reef stump]

It does, which is why there are usually better replacements for Sara till she is C6

But Raiden uses Buffs so well in general thats its strong anyway

[storm tulip]

yeah before sara is c6 fischl is used or you just run national raiden

[slim pivot]

Ah ok makes sense

[reef stump]

Fischl/Lisa/Mona/XQ are the best replacements for Sara in Hyper shells

[trim pumice]

You are correct. Sara is mostly for her C6 though, which provides a ton of crit for electros

[red umbra]

even at c6 sara and mona are fairly equal iirc

per greys calcs from kqm at least

since u can run ttds mona which outlasts saras buff

[storm tulip]

it is less resolve though

so it usually isnt equal unless people forget to account for that

with c1 it is negligible though

[red umbra]

the calcs should account for resolve

[slim pivot]

If raiden is C1 would Sara<C6 be better or would fischl

[storm tulip]

sara still

[reef stump]

TTDS isn't actually even worth running on Mona, 18s rots with Widsith Mona yield better DPS

[red umbra]

personally i prefer fischl bc shorter and more consistent rotations

[trim pumice]

Isn't Sara C6 better than Bennett though? Why replace Sara and not Bennett?

[red umbra]

bennett is OL source and healer

[patent galleon]

in regards to Itto vs the 2.4 abyss, whats the natural resistances of the primo geo vishap (pyro variant)? is it more resistant to Geo itself? looking at the line up Itto would only work on the first half which has the vishap on 12-2-1.

[red umbra]

50% geo resistance

[patent galleon]

so it be 100% geo res with the disorder

[trim pumice]

Oh I forgot the healing lol

[red umbra]

oh interesting that makes sense

shaving off 2s

[slim pivot]

Is that that good with just C0 raiden?

[storm tulip]

yes, it has 50% geo resistance, but you would normal attack to reduce it, would be at 10% after geo resonance shred, -5% if zhongli is involved

[red umbra]

do u have a rotation for that

[storm tulip]

also -20% defense

[trim pumice]

Overload won't deal much damage unless you're running Sucrose though who struggles with ER

[red umbra]

would u vape mona burst or is that just impractical

[storm tulip]

yes, obviously c2 is a huge increase, but it is a very good comp even at c0 raiden

[reef stump]

I made a copy and checked. Even procless Widsith was winning by a few %. There mgiht even be tech to allow Mona to vape her Q in that comp on certain enemies, but I can't test if its worth doing as I don't have Mona.

[storm tulip]

it is just rare for people to have both c6 sara and only c0 raiden so far, will likely change after itto banner since she will probably be running then

[storm tulip]

you can vape on kenki's with kazuha 100% reliabily

with benny/kaz/mona i mean

[slim compass]

The idea of Raiden hypercarry to run her at lower attack but high electro bonus so that the att buffs do not hit diminishing returns?

[reef stump]

Yeah, I was jsut wondering if you can still follow through with the rot or have to wait before hitting the Raiden Q since after that you won't find a Pyro Aura on anyone anymore.

[storm tulip]

you would want her to be atk/electro/crit, fairly sure, but can change with weapon selection

[slim pivot]

From what i've been told if Bennett is involved go ER and Dmg bonus

[storm tulip]

it should vape during animation of raiden Q

I cant test it today, but might be able to tomorrow

[reef stump]

That would be ideal and shoot that comp into the stratosphere performance wise

[slim compass]

K, screw Eula then, I like Raiden too much to reduce her to a support

[storm tulip]

yeah but it is only vs some enemies specifically

like vs primovishap for example it doesnt work

[slim compass]

Honestly should've pulled for Raiden constellations

[reef stump]

Thats fine since even unvaped the comp is good

[trim pumice]

Isn't this an Itto thread lmao

[slim pivot]

I feel u...i should have too

[storm tulip]

but yeah, a stacked enough mona with r5 widsith can even one shot the kenki's this abyss

[slim compass]

Lol my bad, I was comparing itto with Eula and the thread got derailed lol

[slim pivot]

And i was about to start an ayaka discussion cause i was conflicting between ayaka and ganyu lol

[red umbra]

how does it compare to c6 sara or raifish

i assume worse than the former in theory if raiden is c2?

[slim compass]

Haha yea same, but I'm pretty sure by now that I prefer Ayaka

[reef stump]

If you wanna build Raidne full time, you could go for Itto since they run separate Supports which would give you full access to the Supports your Childe locks up otherwise.

[slim pivot]

Yea but i prefer the goat's design...

Raikh how much better is ayaka than ganyu?

I've heard she's MUCH better for the abyss lately than ganyu

[slim compass]

It's ok, itto has horns too

[slim pivot]

Yea guess i'll just go for itto then

[reef stump]

Ideally you jsut check in the trial if you like him

maybe come back here to chekc if current assumptions hold true and he is as storng as currently assumed

and if everything checks out he should be a solid pull

otherwise you will know day 1

[slim pivot]

Hopefully he's an amazing unit

Although his model has noodle arms

[red umbra]

the main appeal imo is v solid looking output with low opportunity cost and comfy comps

[slim compass]

Tbh, I like Ganyu's design the most of all chars, I just think I'll really hate the charged shots

[somber sandal]

idk to me aesthetically she's on the low end
but that's me

[storm tulip]

she is usually much better because of the inherent way abyss works since her Q is so busted most enemies just die to it, ganyu is a more flexible unit though, it is really a matter of preference

[gilded fractal]

has there been any numbers on itto or someone showing what a 90/90 10/9/9 itto could do?

[storm tulip]

pins

[charred crag]

one week to go, good luck on your gorou cons geo bros 210-220 wishes by the start of the banner, really crossing my fingers. Is this thread going to keep up until release at this point?

[reef stump]

Different strengths mostly. Its not like their dmg is crazy far apart. Ganyu is jsut a sustained DPS till C6 that relies on mobbing for Freeze and wants Melt for ST/bossing. Ayaka on the other hand just has a shit ton of frontloaded dmg that usually fairs far better in rpactice than sustained dmg, while also being capable of running on Freeze/pure Cryo outside of mobbing unlike Ganyu

[primal wing]

Who do you believe is the best replacement for Albedo? Geo mc or Ningguang? I'm leaning towards mc for the crit rate buff but the rocks pushing enemies out of range and the burst pushing enemies back is annoying

[reef stump]

GMC, since he takes less field time, offers great resonance targets for ZL pillars and brings soem Buffs.
Ofc if constructs have a practicality issue you mgiht want to give Ning a shot, but seems less desirable to me

[charred crag]

geo MC needs less field time than Ningguang while passively providing a much larger area for zhong

[storm tulip]

i mean best replacement for albedo is probably not even a geo char

[primal wing]

I've been trying out the geo mc/Zhongli combo and while it's true that simply petrifying the enemies before bursting with geo mc solves the issue, I'd have to build my Zhongli for damage

[storm tulip]

you want to build your zhongli for damage either way

HP zhongli is meme for geo comps

[charred crag]

with a 2k+ def carry a full HP/HP/HP tassel is egregious overkill

[primal wing]

I'm well aware, I'm just not looking forward to farming an entire new set of artifacts for him (and a weapon)

[storm tulip]

+15% shield strength + easy resonance targets meaning you get ToM procs consistently so 30% extra shield strength for 45% total

[primal wing]

ToM domain is a scam because I don't use physical characters lol

[storm tulip]

you do

you have zhongli

[charred crag]

cpike zhong

[storm tulip]

no, homa zhong

no cpike

you use both geo and phys damage

[patent galleon]

i would go for a dmg focused Zhongli, but ill be stuck in the Husk domain for eons before i can move on to something else

[storm tulip]

i mean husk also does work with zhongli too

it is not that much different from 2 petra 2 glad

[primal wing]

Imagine having homa though

[storm tulip]

just get lucky

[primal wing]

My only offensive polearm is blackliff

[charred crag]

My ADC 4ToM has a lot of HP subs lol

[slim pivot]

Ah ok, that helps and i happen to have Venti and all anemo characters in general.

Plus i dislike Ayaka's design compared to Ganyu, so guess i'll just go for her

[languid linden]

is this zhongli 4 set husk?

[charred crag]

4ToM

[languid linden]

[charred crag]

180CV when itto/gorou come out and I drop Ning/steal her cup. He's still 80/80, not sure if 7.2 geo%, ~1170HP and ~30atk are worth it for now, other than the minor increase to resonance dmg and decent increase to Q via lvl 9 talents.

[patent galleon]

the talent lvl would be the biggest increase

iirc his Q scales high with levels

[sage raven]

i join itto thread and find a fellow HybridLi enjoyer

by far one of my fav builds for him

[static mural]

me and my 2no 2tom zhongli

[rigid bay]

Personal opinion as a Geo main and one who does not care for optimizing for the absolute max outside my own decision and entertainment:

Just take it slow. Time will eventually grant you the pieces you need for a new build, and you don't need to go for the absolute best. What matters is that you essentially enjoy what you're doing, be it to optimize your build to the best of your capability, to meme around and go for weird, ridiculous build, or even just as simple as theorycrafting to see the possible paths that you could take to evolve your team further. Suggestions for optimization and best builds or comps can and should be taken as an advice, but they're not gospels. Don't let it completely dictate what you do, what you choose to be, because at the end of the day, it's your own game.

Have fun, don't stress out if you're not at the peak of your performance, as eventually, you'll get there anyway if you're willing to put in the effort.

[sage raven]

based

[rigid bay]

[sage raven]

hey that's good too

[static mural]

well

my zhongli has been a shieldbot for a long time so hes just 1/8/8

[sage raven]

triple crown here

[rigid bay]

I think I have him at 8/8/8 as soon as he was released just because he was the dad of my main element so

[sage raven]

i change build often on him, currently 4tom shield bot because he won't be on itto team

[rigid bay]

I think I have like 4 separate sets for him, lol. I don't even remember which pieces are which anymore.

Just random HP% RB or something laying around.

[sage raven]

lmao same here, after a while i stopped caring for minmaxing tbh

eventually an upgraded piece will come, but i'm not stressing

[primal wing]

I mean I understand the sentiment, but optimizing is what I find fun in the game. I suck, so I find no enjoyment out of struggling more instead of pressing q to win with characters like Venti

Though in general, I play my favorite characters, and optimize based on that

[rigid bay]

Yeah, that's fair. If that's how you have fun, that's okay

Everyone got different ways of entertainment, so it is understandable

[storm tulip]

Geo zhongli is his best build by far, but hybrid is just superior to pure phys damage, pure phys is too single target oriented for zhongli's actual potential

[rigid bay]

Imagine having Homa staff though

[storm tulip]

His AoE damage capabilities are pretty stellar

[sage raven]

just have fun and let others have fun too

[rigid bay]

Easy, I'll get myself

R5 Deathmatch

[sage raven]

[rigid bay]

It'll only take like half a year, kinda

[static mural]

i can

[rigid bay]

give

you dont need it

[sage raven]

i have r3 dm but i'm getting r3 serpent for now

my itto is eating good

[static mural]

homa looks so good on zhongli..it looks elegant

[sage raven]

[static mural]

[rigid bay]

[ruby tundra]

I was reading the chat. Is HP% on all the artifacts not the way to build Zhongli anymore?

[reef stump]

Generally it can be fine, but Itto and Noelle Geo Comps are so naturally tanky and have constructs for Resonance so that you're better off getting some dmg Stats on him for optimization.

[ruby tundra]

I use him for my Hu Tao team as well and thats why I wanted to make sure if its worth it

[rigid bay]

Personally I won't be reverting him to damage for a while, primarily because it's a hassle to switch artifact sets around, specifically for my context.

I often go around helping my friends, so C2 Zhongli's shield helps make them comfortable

That and no Homa staff, lmao.

[frigid hound]

Mf my staff of homa is just a few percent better than my dbane on rosa

[sage raven]

in a geo team i can see big shield becoming a bit irrelevant due to the high defense and stuff, but of course it's still great and i'm also keeping him on hp build since with homa he still does some dmg if needed in a bennett team or something

my planned itto team has no place for grandpa anyways

he's better off helping his funeral boss

[ruby tundra]

His best team is still Itto/Albedo/Goro/Zhongli right?

[rigid bay]

I may consider if predefined artifact set instant switching was a thing lol

[sage raven]

maybe, but i'm going 3 geo because i wanna have the freedom of one element when needed

could be fischl, xq, bennett...

[cold briar]

presets soon

[ruby tundra]

I am still hoping that Yunjin will be good with Itto so I could just run a full Defense team

[real phoenix]

[ruby tundra]

Hey... I know

[sage raven]

itto still does some normals

and you get a cool geo parry

[real phoenix]

7 normals per burst

you gotta be against 5 enemies to use all stacks

[sage raven]

normal attack itto

[ruby tundra]

Honestly tho... I am still curious on why they don't let it proc off charge attacks. Do they not want her to work with Itto?

[sage raven]

i guess it would be too busted

hu tao, ganyu...

realistically they could lower the buff or stacks and make it work for the full normal attack dmg, so normal charged and plunge

but ehhh

mihoyo is mihoyo

[frigid hound]

If they gave yunjin the ability to buff NA,CA and Plunge

Thats basically giving her the sleeper status of a 5*

[sage raven]

i mean they could nerf the buff in that case

[frigid hound]

Also a walking shimenawa

[sage raven]

so i guess it's a tradeoff

[frigid hound]

Well yeah they can

[ruby tundra]

Or only proc off geo dmg

but I think that would cause other problems

[sage raven]

wouldn't be the first really busted 4* so it's whatever at this point

[ruby tundra]

Yeah I know. I am just really curious because they are releasing a Def 5* dps than releasing a 4* def sup and they don't work with each other. It just seemed like an oversight or purposely done.

[real phoenix]

yunjin is not a DEF support, that's gorou

[ruby tundra]

sub dps

[sage raven]

at least itto got his good boy gorou

[real phoenix]

yunjin isn't a sub dps either

[sage raven]

her e seems to hit pretty hard though, which is fair for a "geo beidou parry" and lets you double down on DEF for both E and buff at least

they probably just tried making her a general support that will definitely help every low ar player because normals are the main thing starting out

and she can still buff some endgame dps so it's all good

[real phoenix]

i mean, it's not really gonna hit ~that hard if you build her for her buff, and if you build her for her E damage, then her buff suffers

[sage raven]

i guess we'll see

maybe hybrid yun jin is the way

[reef stump]

Yunjin having that rainbow Passive seems to be intended as a general NA Support rather than be part of Geo society

[sage raven]

since most people will be using dm on her, maybe def geo def is good

i wish mihoyo would tell us more about their intended roles and team comps for characters

[somber sandal]

they could just place the chong infuse/benny c6 restriction
and give CA bonus only if you're a melee char (or also shaft polearm chars)

[static mural]

theyre gonna make that a 5* trust

[reef stump]

Yunjin wouldn't be crazy if she worked with CAs per se, atleast not regular ones like in case of Itto. If you slap amping reactions on it like with HT it would be more of a thing to look at.

[somber sandal]

make it so you don't get the buff if you proc'd an amp reaction

[reef stump]

Thats a little convoluted

[somber sandal]

how so

in theory it just an if statement

if attack procs (or will proc) vape or melt
do not receive yunjin buff
else receive yunjin buff

[crystal isle]

On a Yoimiya Beidou Xinqiu team, would Yunjin apply the buff even on their off field damage?

[reef stump]

Yunjin's Q only triggers on normal attacks, which you can't do off-field

[crystal isle]

Oh yeah mb, thanks!

[steep marsh]

or maybe not

imagine they make a character that AA off-field together with your on-field character

[reef stump]

Eventually that mgiht happen. Off-field Beidou driver for Raiden

[steep marsh]

[somber sandal]

so long as it triggers when you NA like xq

and it deals NA dmg

[ruby tundra]

Sorry if this isn't the place to ask but do we know what main stats goro wants?

I was seeing some people say Def % on all main stats but I just want to make sure

[analog obsidian]

Yea coz he don't do much dmg

So use er/Def sands

And then full def on the other

[patent galleon]

ER/Def/Crit rate for Favonius procs

[whole juniper]

Revisiting the above discussion: Would Eula/Diona/fischl/4th be tons stronger than Itto/Gorou/Not-ZL/Not-Albedo? I get scared of all the talk about Itto “needing” the geo bros 😦

[slim compass]

Did you just watch Tenten's new video saying Itto is not meta? I think he does that to prevent people from pulling on day 1

I'm a bit torn between Eula and itto too. But really none of the new 5* characters MHY released since kazuha have been bad, even kokomi is good at what she does. So given itto is the only 5* geo main dps and that MHY is currently pushing geo and defense meta, I doubt that he can be very bad

[whole juniper]

Nah I’ve not watched any videos, just reading here

[fickle mango]

I wouldn't take tenten's videos seriously, he has a pretty bad record with pre-tc bad takes as far as I'm concerned

[whole juniper]

I’m just going from what I’ve read in this thread

[patent galleon]

tbh alot of TenTen's videos are just memes where he makes alot of bold claims/clickbait titles to farm clicks/views. also he tends to only compare new units against the absolute meta characters, mostly units who clear abyss the fastest/speed running ect. in which it should come at no surprise that a Geo DPS unit wont land within that category, it however will not mean that Itto is bad.

[onyx junco]

tenten is like that, for him most characters are 3/5 because they are not must pulls

[slim compass]

Haha yea he has a Xiangling tier, Ganyu and then everything 3/5

[patent galleon]

there are pins here that show Ittos dmg buffed/unbuffed. and tbh he looks very solid. only real downside id personally give him is that his ideal team isnt cheap primo wise.

if ur that worried about his performance just wait like a few days after release, there will be tons of videos of people showing off builds/giving reviews.

[slim compass]

You can do without albedo though right? Itto Zhongli Gorou should be good enough?

[patent galleon]

albedo isnt as necessary no

he is just the best option

for mono geo

[slim compass]

Yea I've finally decided to skip Eula in case Itto ends up like a Kazuha case where pre-release severely underestimate him

[onyx junco]

tbh i would wait a couple more days, doomposting is going to arrive on day one

[patent galleon]

ofc it will

[slim compass]

Also hopium one day they'll add a geo dendro reaction

[patent galleon]

but his mats and such have been available for awhile, so plenty of people will be able to max him out day 1 with even some decent Husk. unlike say Raiden who couldn't go past lvl 6 talents Day 1 for most and people doom posted her hard

[fickle mango]

I'm basically banking on geo having a great reaction with dendro to justify my itto pull, meta-wise

[onyx junco]

it's not like he needs it. it would be nice tho

[patent galleon]

i mean again it depends on ur definition of meta IMO

speedrunning and breaking record clear times?

no

even if Dendro gives Geo a dmg buffer reaction

but for clearing abyss with 36 stars, Itto can do that just fine C0

[slim compass]

Also the high defense lets you go full burst dps on Zhongli

[fickle mango]

I'm just expecting mhy to make geo and itto more important and viable down the line. They've done this a lot lately (kazuha - unpullable mobs. Yoimiya - flying enemies, yunjin. Kokomi - corrosion, dogs and clam set)

[rigid bay]

[patent galleon]

maybe, but i really wouldnt bet money on it. honestly Dendro+Geo will prob just be crystallize like all other Geo reactions

[rigid bay]

First thing first. If you are really worried about the future of a character that has never been released before, then you may simply wait until the calculations has all been boiled down to solid facts, until his eventual rerun comes about.

Pulling for a character hoping that future changes will make them very strong is never a wise move. You are better off to simply get the character that is tried and true, as you know how they will perform and there is nothing to gamble there.

If you are pulling, you are accepting the risk that they may not be insane level, and they may be what they are, just a good overall character.

[slim compass]

But yea seems like mhy will constantly shift the meta around so it's just good to have some variety in the teams

[fickle mango]

I think I'm not being clear here. Of course I'm pulling him because I love his character, and that he seems at least decent on paper. That's all that matters really

[patent galleon]

and i dont think Itto needs it anyway, He has Geo res, a tailored set, good weapon choices (Serpent Spine) and a dedicated support that basically comes free with him on Banner. plus good multipliers and a simple kit. what more would you even want them to do for him at that point?

[rigid bay]

Then that is fine.

Now, in regards to some people asking about the comp specifics, to be clear, Itto does not specifically needs Albedo.

It is more of a convenience aspect.

Albedo wants Gorou.

Itto wants Gorou.

Hence, the pairing.

[slim compass]

I'm just scared I end up pulling 0 Gorou lol.. but he will be on the standard banner after this patch right?

[rigid bay]

He may. You know mihoyo. They are never consistent on some things.

But it should be, yes.

[patent galleon]

unless ur sitting right on pity, it would be very unlucky to not pull a single gorou

[rigid bay]

If you are on a low pull count, I cannot say much other than expecting the worst case scenario. At the very least, he is a 4 star, and being one means his rerun is much more often than that of a 5 star.

The longest it has taken for a 4 star to re-appear is 8 banners spacing, so it could take really long, but thus far, only select few 4 stars have gone that long without reappearance.

[slim compass]

Yea I'm on 63 pity now, decided last minute not to pull for Eula anymore

[rigid bay]

That's nice then, so you're close to getting a 5 star, though I'm not aware of whether it'd be 50/50 or a guarantee.

Itto specific comps right now banks on the aspect of convenience, but there are other alternatives at hand that I'm sure can be worked on as time passes after his release and we get proper numbers.

As I understand that most players, especially returning or new may not own Albedo.

Or Zhongli, for that matter.

[patent galleon]

more people own zhongli for sure, since both his first and second banner sold pretty well. albedo's first banner is among the worst selling so far

so yeah not many people probably owned him already prior to his rerun

[whole juniper]

I do just want an overall good character. It’s just hard from my f2p, haven’t played constantly perspective to judge if I’m going to be completely fucked with him since I don’t have the other geo 5*s or not, since everybody here takes having at least one of the two for granted at this point. So when people say Itto is “hard to build because he needs certain 5 stars”, I don’t know if they mean “you are better of investing in a 4 star character than pulling Itto” or “he just won’t be top tier without them”

[slim compass]

Does yunjin have a shield? There are no 4* geo shielders except Noelle?

[patent galleon]

no

its just beidous counter "shield"

[slim compass]

If you don't have many 5*, I'm thinking it might be more important to get some supports instead of main dps though. Like Kazuha

[rigid bay]

Yes, Itto current comp right now is rather expensive to get, so that is understandable. However, as I've mentioned, Itto doesn't truly need them all that much except for Gorou to boost certain aspects of his performance. Albedo is there to provide additional team damage from his presence, and is greatly boosted by Gorou as well.

And as luck would come to be, Gorou is in the same banner as well.

For the rest of the team comp, I'm sure you can eventually build up and collect the rest, should you wish to do so.

Let's put it this way. By owning a character, you are keeping your options open.

[whole juniper]

The thing is, I’ve played with the same main carry for months and months now, and want something new. I’ll drop the game again if I have to wait 4 more months to mix things up, so I’m pulling something now. Preferably Itto, but if I truly would get twice the damage and effectiveness from pulling Eula (who also seems fun to play) then maybe I’m dumb to focus on Itto instead.

[patent galleon]

yeah Itto only really needs gorou, the rest are just a convenient luxury for those who already own them

[unique rover]

Also u put albedo there bcs albedo utilizes gorou too which is a double wammy

And u put zl to maintain geo reso and for RES shred

Not that they are mandatory but they are put bcs they synergize

[rigid bay]

Now, I can understand that aspect. The boredom of using the same characters and just generally wanting something new to use.

You can take the least risk of path, and that is to pull Eula, as she is already theorycrafted and researched properly with good guides on her comp and build.

[unique rover]

Anws so itto is 3 particle - 4 particle?

[rigid bay]

Itto, while also theorycrafted, still will need time to be properly calculated and see how his performance will translate in game environment.

[whole juniper]

That’s why I haven’t just pulled Albedo instead. My current best is Ning, Albedo would buff her tons, but then I’d just be playing exactly the same way only with higher numbers on the screen

[rigid bay]

Yes. As far as I remember.

[slim compass]

Is there any 4* char that you might have neglected? Maybe if you have a C6 Noelle you could build her and have a lesser mono geo team

[whole juniper]

And my current reasoning for Itto over Eula is mainly the comfort of having super high def plus geo, since I play on an old potato PS4 and stutter lag makes avoiding damage sometimes impossible

[patent galleon]

this is exactly where im sitting, i just need something new and fun to enjoy to keep me interested in the game and Itto's gameplay looks very fun to me. next character id even want would be Yae, and she is at best another 9+ weeks away

[rigid bay]

Then you can choose him. That is the thing. It is your game at which you play under your own conditions.

[whole juniper]

Noelle is a character I’ve played since launch, so that wouldn’t fulfil the “something new” aspect

[unique rover]

I mean based on stream and new preview

[rigid bay]

Advices and numbers and guides can be taken, but at the end of the day, the decision is yours.

[unique rover]

Check the skills preview it's 3 right

[rigid bay]

At work so I can't check right now, but yes I remember it being so.

[patent galleon]

and tbh whats "meta" may not always be whats fun. some meta characters/comps you may find boring gameplay wise and regret the pull because of it

[unique rover]

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[whole juniper]

Yeah, that’s why my initial question was “Eula Diona fishl damage compared to Itto Gorou no ZL or Albedo damage difference”. So I can make an informed decision

[rigid bay]

As I exclusively play Geo characters, that is something I cannot answer.

[patent galleon]

in the 2.3 live stream we had a clip of him generating 4, so its assumed 3-4 particles

[rigid bay]

And I'm not sure if anyone specifically calculated such comps.

[unique rover]

Yes that's why I said it can be semi confirmed that it's 3-4

[whole juniper]

But I’m still probably going for Itto, he seems strong just with Gorou as well, in addition to being tanky and fun to play

Plus I like geo too.

[rigid bay]

For my case specifically, I never really catered to playing with what's the strongest and what's the best. I just have fun in general doing builds, memeing about, playing with things in ways I've never did, and just general love for the geo element.

I could only go so far on the strength side of things when it comes to gacha, as I'd need considerable financial spending to even keep up with the current field of meta.

This reflects in my abyss as well.

[whole juniper]

Yeah I don’t care about what’s the strongest either, but I also currently have to get carried through domains to farm, so I definitely need a power up to have fun with the game

[rigid bay]

Hm, sounds like you need a general upgrade overall to your team, I'd say.

[whole juniper]

I still haven’t touched floors 9+ on the abyss either. And yes, I do

But I’d also like something new

So the plan is to pull some new cool 5* that gives me dps and comfort, so I can then grind away merrily to upgrade all my surrounding units

I do have units that could carry me with more investment, but they are all awkward for general comfort and use (c0 Childe, c0 Hu Tao mainly)

[rigid bay]

Well, you do need a hypercarry to start things off to begin with, somehow.

[whole juniper]

So now I just use Ning and she doesn’t quite cut it

And survivability is a huge deal for me now tbh. Like, in Slumbering Court, those electro doggies hurt.

My Hu Tao just dies

And Ning has too low aoe damage

And c0 Childe is just awkward

[onyx junco]

he needs to farm the units he has imo

[slim compass]

Childe is very good with Xiangling and Bennett though, that's typically one of my teams

[rigid bay]

Yeah, that's kinda the vibe I'm getting.

Essentially, you just need one buffed up hyper carry.

So they can lead the team.

[slim compass]

Childe's constellations are not very useful, you just do t stay on the field for too long with him, need to switch off to use supports

[whole juniper]

I already said I do yes. But that doesn’t mean I can’t pull? Getting a new unit or not won’t affect my need to farm for other units

[slim compass]

But yea if you got Hutao, maybe it's worth waiting for a zhongli rerun

[unique rover]

Do u need help clearing stuff or sumn

If ur Asia server I can help u

[whole juniper]

Anyway, this is getting a bit derailed. I know what I’m lacking, but I also just want a new character lol

Just trying to make an informed decision

[rigid bay]

That is fine.

[whole juniper]

Thanks a bunch, but I’m EU 😦

[unique rover]

JSHSJSHS

[rigid bay]

Just, laser focus on one hypercarry, it can be Itto if you so wish it to be, and I'm sure thigns will get easier from there on out.

[unique rover]

Anws time will make up for your sufferings today

Unless u whale for artifacts and weaps

[rigid bay]

Funny enough, for me, Albedo was the one to push my team forward a year ago. Albedo pushed Noelle, Noelle pushed Zhongli, Zhongli pushed Ningguang

and from there its a cascade of strength built up easily.

[slim compass]

Actually you can wait one week into Itto's banner, they'll officially announce the 5* in 2.4 on the livestream and you can decide if you want those instead of itto

Cause if zhongli is rerunning, could be really worth it, specially if you have trouble beating domains and bosses

[whole juniper]

Afaik tho it’s a cryo support, ganyu, Xiao and ZL? ZL is the only one I’d care about there.

And yeah ZL would be nice for sure. But to complicate matters I also really want Gorou since if nothing else I still love geo

And Gorou kinda requires pulling on Itto banner to begin with

[rigid bay]

Then you could just do Itto for the time. Build up your team's DPS capability, and see how things flow from there.

[slim compass]

Ok well on the other hand, the high defense of itto might make him very tanky to the point that the crystalize shields are strong enough to keep you alive

[whole juniper]

Yeah, I think I’ll do that

[rigid bay]

And by build up, I mean at least a month's worth of artifact farming.

That's what I did back in the day at least.

One domain, one character, one month.

Still do it actually, but yes.

[whole juniper]

I’ve already started on Slumbering Court

I’d just like to be able to comfortably do it myself

So once Itto is out, I can use him to power up my surrounding characters and second abyss team

[rigid bay]

That domain in particular have tanky enemies, so don't fret if you struggle. It takes me 1 minute to clear when I usually do 30 seconds on other domains.

Now of course this is at my strength, I'm sure you will reach it soon eventually, but yeah, the point here being this domain will take longer than normal to clear.

[whole juniper]

Yeah for me it’s mainly survival atm tbh.

I don’t mind if it’d take 2 min to clear as long as I don’t have to throw my food bag on it every time as well

[rigid bay]

Bennett is a very solid option as a healer if you've got him.

He may not heal teamwide, but he does have rapid healing.

[whole juniper]

He’s only c0, so I tend to use Diona instead for now

[rigid bay]

People generally build him into support DPS, but I prefer to differ and built him purely for healing. 10k per tick insanity.

Hm.

[whole juniper]

My comfort team for annoying stuff atm is Ning/second geo/Diona/XL for shields, healing and damage reduction.

[rigid bay]

Yeah, you will have to struggle for a fair while. This domain in particular asks for decent healers so without them, it will be fairly hard.

Fortunately, it does drop clam set, which you can give to Barbara should you wish for that extra damage and healing. She also have a Q that heals teamwide massively.

[whole juniper]

I’d love to use Bennett but I’ve never gotten his required c1. Keep missing him in the shop and he’s never on any banners I’ve wanted to pull on

[rigid bay]

Her E as well heal teamwide, albeit you will need to AA with her for the heals on E to do teamwide.

[whole juniper]

I might actually build Barbara, I have some really good clam pieces

[rigid bay]

Yeah, might as well Utilize what you got.

[whole juniper]

Also maybe just throw clam set on Diona tbh

Her ult is comfy

But I want to save my resources to level Husk first for Itto, so I’ll have to live with another 6 days of asking for help

[rigid bay]

That is fine. I'm sure there are people that would gladly help. End game is just pure boredom, after all.

[whole juniper]

If I by some miracle end up with c4 Gorou that’ll help with healing too

[rigid bay]

By the way, this is #898003719084449853 so may want to remember that we've been getting off track way long before.

[whole juniper]

Yeah, there’s lots of kind people. I just eventually want to be able to sit down and grind solo too

[rigid bay]

Hah, understandable.

[whole juniper]

Well I’m tangentially on the topic of building Itto still :p but yeah, I’ll stop the off-topic

Cheers

[rigid bay]

Yeah, no worries.

[unique rover]

6 days...

Too long

[whole juniper]

It’s pretty settled that I’ll pull him anyhow

[rigid bay]

I'm jaded at this point and mentally zoning out on waiting.

[unique rover]

Everyday is just me whining itto has not yet arrived

[whole juniper]

He ticks most of the boxes of what I need now in being decent dps, fun to play and tanky

[unique rover]

Good thing my finals are after itto's release not before

Need the serotonin

[rigid bay]

School: oh shit we messed up our exam date, its 13th of december

[analog obsidian]

Itto after my school ended

So it is good

[rigid bay]

Next tuesday

[stoic wagon]

same

[rigid bay]

Deadass got all the materials needed to 10/10/10 and LV.90 in one go

Shame my SS is R4

[stoic wagon]

💀 i only just stopped farming artis

[analog obsidian]

I got till lvl 90 10/8/8

[stoic wagon]

took me 148 runs to get him to 17/180 or something

then i just caved and got bp

[rigid bay]

Nice

Lol yikes

[analog obsidian]

I needa get Def sands coz I've only gotten 1

[rigid bay]

My current husk set that I've got for him

Puts him at...

85/145...

[analog obsidian]

And itto's weapon coz my crate hat is really good

[rigid bay]

This includes the SS and his ascension crit rate though so

Without them it's like 4X/140

[analog obsidian]

With ascension stats I think mine is at 75/80?

Then again no sands

[rigid bay]

I got sands but it's mega ass

[analog obsidian]

Not including weapon

[rigid bay]

Like 8 cdmg 5 er and other flat stats

At +20

[unique rover]

Too bad it starts next thursday

[analog obsidian]

My Def sands is basically kkm piece

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

Anws imma be out of wits

I have anough for itto

But gorou...

[rigid bay]

Behold my pain

[unique rover]

And I don't have much books yet

And I dont have any complete husk set

[rigid bay]

U didn't capitalize on the leyline overflow event?

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

I did

Still not enough

[rigid bay]

Oof

Well that's fine, just build up slowly

[unique rover]

I just noticed I will run out of mora too

[rigid bay]

sweats in 20m mora

[unique rover]

I barely have 2m

[rigid bay]

Big yikes

Then again

[analog obsidian]

7.5 m

[rigid bay]

I haven't levelled anyone for like

4 months anyway

[analog obsidian]

After itto I'll just delete leylines

[unique rover]

Imma buy the realm treasure mora and wits

[analog obsidian]

Probably skipping shenhe

[rigid bay]

Itto and Gorou will put a dent on my mora but I can manage

Since I assume il be doing the new domain

[unique rover]

Good 4 u

[rigid bay]

For 3 months

[unique rover]

[analog obsidian]

I started fixing my Artis last night on other characters so there goes 800k mora

[unique rover]

I don't use any cryo dps so I'll surely skip shenhe

+I only pull for chars I like

[rigid bay]

I personally just pull for geo

Unless there's like an insane support that benefits my geo team

[analog obsidian]

Gorou

[rigid bay]

Hence my huge wealth

[unique rover]

A non geo that supports geo

[rigid bay]

Then again my mora never dips below 20m mora because geo dad power got me

[unique rover]

When would that happen

[analog obsidian]

Hoping for gorou c4 so I don't need to bring healer

[unique rover]

Maybe dendro

[rigid bay]

Technically venti is one

Greatly benefits albedo

[analog obsidian]

I wanna see dragonstrike itto

[unique rover]

Well

Maybe itto will reach venti vortex

[analog obsidian]

Could be

If the sca is wide enough

[rigid bay]

I think it will cause his SCAs are like

Pretty vertical

[analog obsidian]

If it do gucci

[rigid bay]

Then again

Idk when will I ever put venti on Itto team anyway

[analog obsidian]

I'll just wait for whales to use him and see

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

I mean I've got him, its an actual good choice cause of two things

Well, three

One, it can propagate elements for crystallization to happen

Two, Albedo can abuse this to an insane level

Especially with recent weapon and gorou

Three, tight packed enemies = SCAs hitting all at once and maximum efficiency

[analog obsidian]

Does ushi aoe when he hits and detonate

[rigid bay]

Ushi only does one instance of damage and it's when you cast and he hits enemies

[unique rover]

Detonate doesn't have dmg

[rigid bay]

He doesn't do a 2nd instance from detonate or anything

[analog obsidian]

Singular dmg sed

[unique rover]

Would have been nice if it had though

[analog obsidian]

Does the detonate stagger?

[patent galleon]

would be kinda OP tbh, imagine if he did 2 instances of 70-80k+

[rigid bay]

Lol literally eclipsing almost everyone's damage

[analog obsidian]

If ganyu can have that privilege so does ushi

[patent galleon]

Ushi is the DPS

[analog obsidian]

Ushi 1 mil dmg

[patent galleon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879576002349629492/903841202443517952/902998334741041212.gif

[analog obsidian]

That's a definite 1mil dmg output right there

[patent galleon]

its 100% possible for Ushi to do some 1-shots with whale investment

even at C0 he can hit 100k's with all buffs active

[analog obsidian]

noooo c6 only works on ca

[patent galleon]

R5 redhorn/C6 gorou

i consider that whale investment

[analog obsidian]

Still want ushi to do 2 instance of dmg

This some bs

[patent galleon]

[analog obsidian]

Wait

Does ushi scales of def too?

[patent galleon]

no

[analog obsidian]

Goddamnit

[patent galleon]

he scales off Itto's current attack at the time of cast, so for the big pp dmg numbers you would have to use Ushi during Itto's Ult

which is what Itto's ideal combo calls for anyway

[analog obsidian]

Yea

Could do 2 e

So ushi can dance more

[patent galleon]

imagine if Itto's C1 was two ushi uses

[analog obsidian]

Itto c1 gives the same effect with ushi

[kind stag]

isnt ushi why ss is so good as well?

[analog obsidian]

But instead of only ushi he got a Beatle for the second Charge

[patent galleon]

comparatively yes because Redhorn's passive is mostly useless for Ushi's dmg outside of the small Def buff

[unique rover]

He summons a group of beetles and they eat the enemy up

[untold badger]

ss is so good mostly because ss is ss

[unique rover]

[kind stag]

well that too LOL

[analog obsidian]

Please

[patent galleon]

so SS would greatly benefit both Ushi and Itto's CA

where as redhorn mostly just buffs the CA's

[unique rover]

Ss becomes good against redhorn because of e

In terms of itto

[kind stag]

but is ushi worth crowning

😳

[analog obsidian]

Ushi dance

Definitely

[jolly vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/905288365937684510/902998334741041212.gif

[patent galleon]

Ushi is a decent chunk of Itto's overall dmg

[kind stag]

[analog obsidian]

Look at em go

[patent galleon]

so at least lvl 9 Ushi id say

if you cant spare the crown

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/902998334741041212.gif?size=128

[kind stag]

does aa > e > ult?

[analog obsidian]

AA > q > e

[patent galleon]

^

tho you want to level them all as much as possible

[kind stag]

yeah im gonna at least 9 9 9

usually I don't put more than one crown on a character

bc of gold

[analog obsidian]

Itto is gonna be my first crown

[lament hazel]

Is itto good yow?

[analog obsidian]

Depends

[kind stag]

Depends on who u have

[lament hazel]

Is he like eula?

[patent galleon]

you can check pins for Calcs

[lament hazel]

In terms of dps

[analog obsidian]

No

In dps

Idk

[lament hazel]

Like whos better at dpsing

[kind stag]

gonna need to wait for him to come out to know that answer for sure

[lament hazel]

Yeah

[kind stag]

anything else is speculative at best

[lament hazel]

He needs gorou right

[analog obsidian]

Pulling coz ushi

[lament hazel]

And albedo?

[analog obsidian]

Yea

Albedo not so much

[patent galleon]

gorou yes, albedo no

[lament hazel]

I have albedo

[static mural]

you get gorou along the way

[analog obsidian]

Well then you can use him

[patent galleon]

albedo is a very convenient unit for Itto

[kind stag]

not counting on it

[patent galleon]

but not needed

[static mural]

big mood

[kind stag]

If I don't get gorou I still got ZL and albedo

so im not worried

[static mural]

manifest it tho

[kind stag]

tru i do be manifesting it

[analog obsidian]

I need gorou coz I already got his mats

[lament hazel]

Same

[kind stag]

I would go for c1 itto but i rly wanna save for venti/kazuha rerun (I have niether) and I want ayato

[patent galleon]

id argue that gorou is very important tho, so not having him is probably a big loss. unless ur willing to run Bennett with itto instead.

[lament hazel]

I dont know if i get itto tho

[static mural]

its ok c0 itto is fine

[lament hazel]

Im on 50/50 and had 10pulls

[analog obsidian]

C1 is a dps increase but not that much

[kind stag]

yeah figured

[analog obsidian]

You can do more CA

[lament hazel]

Is gorou only good for itto?

[analog obsidian]

No

[kind stag]

albedo, noelle

[patent galleon]

and albedo/noelle

but thats basically it

[analog obsidian]

He's pretty much every geo dps wet dream

[unique rover]

If u want Bennett on itto

Consider that

[lament hazel]

Also ning?

[patent galleon]

no

[analog obsidian]

Maybe not ning

[lament hazel]

Ah

[unique rover]

Itto would not be locked on a circle in gorou

Whilst on Bennett he is

[static mural]

at c6 gorou can help ning

[analog obsidian]

Burst walks with yiu

So yea

[patent galleon]

ningguang/zhongli/Geo MC dont get any real benefit from gorou unless C6

[lament hazel]

Is yunjin good with itto?

[patent galleon]

no

[unique rover]

No

[analog obsidian]

Yunjin is really universal so no

[patent galleon]

she buffs Normal attacks

[lament hazel]

What

Ahhh

[patent galleon]

not Charged attacks

[lament hazel]

Itto needs charged atks?

[unique rover]

Would have been nice if it was like shenhe but geo attacks

[kind stag]

yes?

[lament hazel]

So yunjin good for my diluc

[kind stag]

um

[unique rover]

That's his main point

[patent galleon]

thats his main source of dmg

[static mural]

you do charged attacks most of time with itto

[kind stag]

no dilucs damage is 50 aa and 50 skills

yunjin better for like yoi

[lament hazel]

True

[static mural]

but he doesnt lose stamina

[lament hazel]

How

[kind stag]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/itto/?lang=EN

[unique rover]

I think it's more on nas

[static mural]

thats just how is kit is

[unique rover]

Rather than Cas eating them up

[sharp sinew]

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[static mural]

thats why xingqiu and thoma falls off on the flex spots

because their application only triggers on normals

[lament hazel]

Yeah

[static mural]

but we have fish

[analog obsidian]

Xq won't trigger with CA?

[unique rover]

Anws the dash cancel seems so snappy

Nvm

NVM

It is his start up for ca

The teleport

[patent galleon]

yeah, it moves him to the closest target

[unique rover]

Only na

[analog obsidian]

Damn

[urban brook]

How good is ittos multiplier?

[dapper bramble]

for me its not that big, but since his Q gives lots of atk, so you cant compare multipliers with other characters.

[primal wing]

You can tho, Noelle and Tao have the exact same mechanic

[reef stump]

Itto's multipliers aren't high, but as already mentioned he has a stupid amount of ATK from his Q akin to Noelle and Hu Tao which makes more than up for it.

Even a 180% ATK CA swing hits hard when you have 4-5k ATK

[sharp sinew]

nvm it's 3

[dapper bramble]

ushi multiplier on the other hand,

stonk

[whole juniper]

Btw, sorry if this is not so much theorycrafting but I'm a noob and want to know: While I'm grinding gear for Itto now, should I level up all potentially good artefacts to +16 or so to see which one rolls the best and use the ones that roll poorly to enhance new ones, or should I wait until he launches and only level the one that has the best baseline potential for each slot to start with? I am not sure at all how to judge how quickly I'll run out of enchanting materials

[blissful acorn]

even the ones with good baseline potential can turn out bad, at which point you would still upgrade the seemingly less good ones. it should be better to hold out upgrading and going from best potential to least potential when he comes out, but after that you would probably be enhancing artifacts as you obtain them anyway, so I wouldn't sweat about it. you can also stop earlier if you see that an artifact is turning out to be disappointing.

[whole juniper]

Thanks

It's also that I'd love to end up with something that's "good enough" soon so that I can spend resin on other things I will need for him anyway, like weapon and talent materials

[blissful acorn]

then i would limit it to getting the right main stats, then go for itto's mats and then resume farming artifacts

[whole juniper]

thanks!

Always hard to judge in this game - I also need to grind artefacts for my supports and such still

[rigid bay]

My suggestion is exactly that. Spend enough resin on artifact farming something that is okay to use and you're good to go. You want to use the resin afterward to then essentially invest into the parts that will guarantee at increasing his power level, such as Lv.1 to 7 talents, level 1 to 80, his weapon from Lv.1 to Lv.80 and the like.

Afterward, resume on farming artifact and get something that you'd say to yourself, "yeah, this is pretty good/decent", and resume going to Lv.90 on Itto and also Lv.7 to 9 talents when possible.

The reason why I broke up the talents and level is because they are substantially costing you more by that time in which it wouldn't make much difference to pour in resins for artifacts either.

[whole juniper]

Thanks - yeah, so far I don't have any level 90 characters for that reason (I'm at 80/90 for my carries and 60/70 for my supports)

Itto will be my first heavily invested unit

[rigid bay]

Yeah, that is fine. The reason why I suggested lv.90 to begin with is because Itto's base DEF will grow, which in turn will boost his Q DEF to ATK conversion even more, after running through all the DEF% substats. I'd even say the only time it's worth to Lv.90 a character is when their main source of damage comes from their DEF stat, which, as of now, it's Itto, Noelle, and Albedo.

[whole juniper]

Yeah, that makes sense

[rigid bay]

I actually explained it really awfully so I'm surprised you understood lol

[whole juniper]

Haha, it's in line with what I figured myself so I didn't have to wrap my head around it too heavily

[rigid bay]

Understandable

Personally you won't have too much trouble getting a good flower and feather roll, as the mainstat is always the same

It's the timepiece, goblet and circlet that's a bitch

Unless you already have one piece that you'll be bringing from another offset

[whole juniper]

I'm a bit lucky in that I actually got a (potentially) really good on-set crit circlet, and I'll be using my geo goblet from Ning on him, so the only thing I'm really lacking right now is a def sands with good stats

[storm tulip]

@reef stump did you see itto's preview page yet? The n4 into sca5 is shown there which is something I dont think we had seen in sucession, looks like a really smooth transition

It doesnt seem to have the usual end lag delay for itto

[reef stump]

Not yet, sounds good. I've been assuming only dash cancels for the SCA finisher, so that NA -> SCA combos well is a great confirmation for my assumptions

I guess the SCA initiation dash works like a build-in dash cancel

lowkey hoping Itto can even transition out of SCA combos well so the dash cancel can be skipped, that would potentially open up a bunch of stuff

They did that really nice with Raiden for instance where you just don't need dash cancels

[whole juniper]

That'd be nice, dash cancelling is such an awkward way to maximise dps

[frigid hound]

I level artis to 12

Well Im at the point of I have too much fodder and mora

So I would go to +16 all the time

But I generally would suggest like go for +12

Since u still have 2 rolls to spare

+16 is one step away from glory and disaster

Basically if the +12 rolls okayish I gamble to +16

If that +16 piece is okayish and I wont lose much on +20ing then I would proceed

I generally stop at the +12 if it rolls really bad

What looks good or bad is up to you

[near condor]

Where can I ask an Itto question?

[analog obsidian]

Here

[frigid hound]

Fire away

[near condor]

Will Itto need Albedo?

[analog obsidian]

Nope

He's a nice addition but not necessary

[near condor]

Will Albedo increase Itto’s team dmg potential?

[frigid hound]

Yes

[near condor]

Around how much estimation?

[frigid hound]

People with proper info are offline rn so hold on to that question for awhile

[near condor]

Gotchit

I can wait till Albedo last day hopefully

[whole juniper]

Is there a character builder somewhere that I can enter artefacts and such into?

[unique rover]

genshin optimizer

[whole juniper]

ty

[storm tulip]

he increases the overall team dmg, not itto's specifically

[near condor]

Is the increase big?

[storm tulip]

he deals around 300k damage per rotation, bennet for example in albedo's spot can increase itto's damage by around 200k

so overall team dps is much higher with albedo

[oak spoke]

, how does the pre tc look like for itto teams? How much of a dps increase is itto vs a c6 noelle in his place?

[storm tulip]

well "much" is an overstatement sry

in overall team damage it is a good increase but not a gamechanging one

[whole juniper]

So, earlier I talked about finding an artefact set that is simply "good enough" to stop farming for now and go farm talent and weapon materials and such instead. Is this good enough, or should I throw resin at trying to get a better sands? With Itto's inherent crit rate it's at 53/177, so with level 90 SS it's 80/177.

[near condor]

100k difference is pretty big I think

[whole juniper]

I've heard 50% more in the same team being quoted often

[storm tulip]

it is 5k dps difference, it is big, but with the overall output the team has it is not gamechnaging

[near condor]

5k difference in Albedo vs Bennett with Itto right?

[storm tulip]

yes

[oak spoke]

that's a massive fucking difference lmao

[frigid hound]

Very pog

[near condor]

Thank you Zack, skip Alfredo here I go

[patent galleon]

yeah i think @reef stump had calculated that Itto is 46% higher personal DPS than a C6 noelle

[storm tulip]

since the overall team dpr in perfect conditions (c0 r1 redhorn itto, c6 gorou, zhong, albedo) is around 1,5 million, 1,5 vs 1,4 isnt a huge difference

[oak spoke]

its probably reliable then

[patent galleon]

his calcs for Itto are pinned btw

[oak spoke]

is this keeping the weapon same ?

[storm tulip]

yeah that is correct, but noelle has higher AoE so we dont know how it actually works in praticality on one vs the other yet

[patent galleon]

R5 SS on both

was what he did for the comparison

[oak spoke]

hmm, I have no horse in this race but it would be fucking hilarious if noelle teams are somehow able to keep up ngl

[patent galleon]

in AoE situations maybe

tho im pretty sure Itto will win in ST

[hallow lark]

Noelle is very slow

[oak spoke]

this looks like the fischl vs raiden debate except in reverse

[storm tulip]

they can keep up in AoE vs c0 itto with like 3 vs 2 target advantage noelle vs itto

it is just AoE situations for the most part (not always, like triple kenki floor currently for example) include a tanky enemy and a couple adds, which usually means the character better oriented for single target still pulls ahead unless target difference is huge

[storm tulip]

what you can laugh about is that noelle teams are dishing out more damage than xiao teams

[oak spoke]

bruh

fr?

[storm tulip]

with 4 star weapons comparisons or r1 5 star yes, a whaled xiao gets a lot more benefits than a whale noelle though

[patent galleon]

Noelle gets better sub dmg options tho right?

Xiao is basically on his own

[storm tulip]

yes, that is why her teams are winning

[oak spoke]

whaling fixes everything tbh

[storm tulip]

personally she is still a bit behind but she can have gorou zhongli albedo dishing out damage while xiao doesnt really have anyone

you can have geo bros too, but losing bennet is a big loss for him

and geo bros+bennet is kinda rough on ER

[patent galleon]

i tired the zhongli/albedo/jean comp on Xiao and i wasnt a fan. he pushes enemies out of albedos E too much, and you cant swap to replace like with Noelle

it mostly seems better for bigger enemies

with C4 Jeans shred

[lament hazel]

Depends

[reef stump]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I finally got around to writing up the explanations for the Itto Constellation Evaluation I've been working on. And I consider it now ready for release. I will probably find some typos along the way and fix them but for now can't be asked to read everything 5 times over before I make it public.

Feel free to give Feedback or ask questions and lets hope Itto's release doesn't make me throw this into the bin:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wb6sJqY_GD3FpvlrsbZH27E9K92V40JQOp3_1yfS8ZA/edit#gid=1720025777

[sharp sinew]

Nice

[rigid bay]

Still curious if it's worth it to use DEF% circlet on Itto, to be honest, assuming decent CR/CD

[rigid bay]

Dank, time to read

[analog obsidian]

It's 3 am but goddamnit that Google Doc need to be read

[rigid bay]

I love how the writings slowly got jumbled up near the end constellations

[reef stump]

Still ironing out the typos bit by bit

[whole juniper]

Btw, is there ever any reason to go for his weapon after c0? Since SS is so close and you want to get as many Gorous as possible

[reef stump]

Unless you absolutely can't stand SS Stack mechanic not really

[whole juniper]

I'm actually a bit surprised at how fair this banner design is. Constellations are alright meaningful but c0 seems like a complete package, and you won't be much worse off if you can't afford to spend on the weapon. If you want to spend a little bit for sure gain you can get SS, and there's a craftable 4* sword that is serviceable otherwise

Unlike for example Hu Tao where she feels awkward with c0 stamina management and Homa is stupidly strong compared to the free/low spender alternatives

[patent galleon]

Claymores haven’t had much of anything worth pulling for 5*’s

First was Unforged

Then Pines

And the passive on red horn makes it a bit niche

Plus SS just being SS

[reef stump]

SS is just an insanely cracked weapon

that also works well with the usual Buffs

5* Claymores aren't even bad, but SS is basically a 5* weapon playing 4*

[whole juniper]

how good is SS if you take damage btw?

[reef stump]

and if you buy BP you're jsut covered on that end

[whole juniper]

having crit% should make it good no matter what I guess?

[reef stump]

with 0 Stacks SS should be the same as 0 Stack Blackcliff

[patent galleon]

Yeah but claymores and then catalyst haven’t gotten as good of 5* weapons comparatively IMO

Not so much a bad thing, since claymores get a very cheap and solid alternative that basically is a 5* as u mentioned

[whole juniper]

Yeah I've even decided to buy bp this once just for it

[teal sable]

And catalysts have widsith which is also pretty cracked

2/3 buffs are huge, and the em buff is pretty good too

[patent galleon]

Widsith is gacha tho

BP is guaranteed

[teal sable]

And it also costs real money

And it's easy to get 4*s on weapon banner

[static mural]

[somber sandal]

c4 more DEF yes

then give albedo c4 to xiao

and albedo takes itto's c4

[static mural]

rating this analysis 4/5 just bc of this xiao jab

[reef stump]

What jab, Xiao C4 would be great on Itto

not like Xiao loses anything by trading one useless Cons for another

[static mural]

rubbing the salt into the wound

[reef stump]