It will result in a bit of images

[ebon glacier]

Enka is current

Akasha is older

I thought That would make comparison easy

[native crest]

did you make new build iwth new pieces

optimizer is missing some of the pieces

[ebon glacier]

It is?

[native crest]

current feather is missing

[ebon glacier]

Maybe cause I honestly don't know

[ebon glacier]

I need to send a new json file then right?

[native crest]

wait nm it's in there yelan just has it

[ebon glacier]

Yeah I did shuffle a lot of pieces for this

[native crest]

then your current one is better (I think I excluded xiangling pieces before

[ebon glacier]

And for the other characters

[native crest]

zeo I don't have time to do a 20 minute set up for every character

[ebon glacier]

Sorry

[native crest]

I just wanted to check one or two characters where you could have issue to see whether you're setting up optimizer well

and you're doing fine

the differences are close enough to not matter that much

since most of these characters do straight up damage and don't have to factor in vape/agg hits

you shouldn't have too much issue using optimizer for them

[ebon glacier]

Btw can you send what inputs you actually put for her?

[native crest]

when you get to more complex characters and teams we can check again

set up a team

{"name":"11E proc, Q 3N3C + N1C","targets":[{"weight":1,"path":["skill","dmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":11,"path":["skill","coorDmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":1,"path":["burst","dmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":4,"path":["burst","hit1"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":3,"path":["burst","hit2"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":3,"path":["burst","hit3"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":4,"path":["burst","charged1"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""},{"weight":4,"path":["burst","charged2"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{},"description":""}]}

then used this multi target

if you watn to be even more accurate you would modify multi target for pjws stacks

[ebon glacier]

I see

[native crest]

but you don't ~have~ to be that precise when all you want is "reasonably optimized build"

[ebon glacier]

Btw I got a copy of fav bow should I refine it to get r4 for yelan or level it up for faruzan

[native crest]

do you use faruzan often enough to need a copy for her

[ebon glacier]

I want to build her for wanderer but wasn't able to do so because of lack of fav

[native crest]

hm yelan can be fine with r3 for a while

faruzan can use the r1

[ebon glacier]

Also thanks a lot for spending so much time on checking if my build was good

[native crest]

no worries

good learning progress

[ebon glacier]

Also just a question no need for optimiser can I sac some cr for cd on xiangling new build

Also can these builds be visually compared to say if one is better than the other or it's the optimiser range

[native crest]

yes if you have alternate pieces on xiangling you want to use on someone else lowering her crit rate in favor of cd is fine (owing to catch passive, iirc my xiangling has lower than 1:2 ratio for catch passive)
between eyeballing and optimizer it mostly depend on how complex optimizer is to set up for a particular build. If it's complex you can eyeball it (counting cv and roll value between builds) but for someone like xiangling who has a lot of useable stats I would tend to say optimizer it if you really want to be sure

for yelan xingqiu etc eyeballing is more accurate and easier

[ebon glacier]

I see

[ebon glacier]

Do you think this faruzan build will work or I need more er

Since fav isn't lvl 90 yet I will get 261.7 er on completely leveling it up

The only reason I didn't have her 4pc totm is that I don't think it will be easy to get enough good pieces for totm to work that easily

Considering I have never properly farmed it

[native crest]

Looks good

Useable as is

[ebon glacier]

Btw do you happen to know if fading Twilight is better than stringless for childe?

[native crest]

side grade/ likely not

[ebon glacier]

Looks like my only hope to improve childe will be to get harp

Thanks

Btw I don't know but somehow this build is looking better than the stringless one

[native crest]

the "somehow" is probably the combination of ER requirement and em causing you to end up with one crit ratio over another

but the number you're looking for isn't enka card but average and crit'ed damage from optimizer

in the international multitarget

[ebon glacier]

I did look up to the childe optimiser guide but understood nothing

Also while we are at it how do I even compare builds with different weapon on the optimiser

[native crest]

optimize using 1 weapon, take a screenshot of the damage number
then do it all over again with a different weapon

[ebon glacier]

This is what I am getting

Used the method of creating two builds and then trying to change them

Since every single reaction is getting an increase it would be safe to assume that vape would be increased too

Oh wait the weapon was wrong

[ebon glacier]

This one is right

This one using the method you told

Sorry but I need to trouble you to look into it as I don't know much about childes kit to compare myself

[native crest]

Ah ok for childe you haven't used childe's custom multitarget

[native crest]

You may have seen the multitarget link in a how to optimize childe guide but since you are having trouble, wait till i get home later today and set it up. I will take some screenshots

[ebon glacier]

But it's low cr?

Don't you want a heigher cr like 80-85 for reliably proc Riptide?

[native crest]

this is highest average damage for childe

but yes I ~personally~ prefer high crit rate childe

but high crit rate childe will be difficult to balance crit stats around without a crit weapon

[ebon glacier]

But internat will lose DPR if zhongli can't vape per pyronado

[native crest]

at this point in the game I would recommend do your best for chilce but don't over-invest

[ebon glacier]

I mean I am able to get a 80/100 with 2pc hod

[ebon glacier]

Thing is that he got his pieces as a holder till someone else would need it for a better build

[native crest]

{"name":"International","description":"vape burst, E, N2C x 5, assuming 3 riptides, assuming bennett kazuha vv burst last the entire duration, mist NO bennett xiphos kazuha","targets":[{"weight":1,"path":["burst","rangedDmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","reaction":"vaporize","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":1,"path":["burst","riptideBlastDmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":1,"path":["skill","stanceDmg"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":5,"path":["skill","normal1"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":5,"path":["skill","normal2"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":5,"path":["skill","charged1"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":5,"path":["skill","charged2"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""},{"weight":6,"path":["skill","riptideSlash"],"hitMode":"avgHit","bonusStats":{"atk":651,"hydro_enemyRes_":-40,"hydro_dmg_":37.76,"atk_":20},"description":""}]}

copy this code into multi target

and compare your 80/100 build etc if you want to see the difference in average dps

if you don't mind a bigger variance in dps balance ratio is fine

[ebon glacier]

What does that mean

[native crest]

but zeo my ~personal~ childe has a crit weapon, high crit rate...and high cdmg

variance is this concept in statistics:

[ebon glacier]

I don't understand what it means

[native crest]

if you do the same rotation 5 times, small variance means all 5 times are doing very similar dps, large variance means you are doing a wide range of dps

[ebon glacier]

Oh

[native crest]

owing to how he crits

this is very much a personal preference

[ebon glacier]

Thing is that I need Riptide for constant hydro for xiangling to reliably vape I think

At least that's what I understood

[native crest]

yes

if you don't have childe burst you still have sustain vaporize damage from xiangling

[ebon glacier]

That's the thing I feel that if my childe can't reliably crit I will lose DMG from the loss of xiangling vapes than what I will gain from higher cd

Not to mention 20% cd increase would not be able to make up for the vape DMG loss

[native crest]

wait no. crit rate on childe has no impact on his hydro application

[ebon glacier]

Even if both kazuha burst(Pyro infused) and pyronado?

[native crest]

yes

childe vaporizes extremely rarely outside of his burst. outside of his burst he also can only vaporize very small hits so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

the preference for high crit rate childe is only so that when he uses burst in aoe there's a higher chance to crit on all the enemies

because remember if childe has 70% crit rate, against 2 enemies he'll crit on both of them .7^2 (49%) of the time

when enemies are lower hp this is no big deal but you feel low crit rate pain against elite enemies that spawn in groups and have higher hp

...but I want to emphasize: at this point in the game don't focus too much on minmaxing childe

especially when you have a lot of hydros on the acct

you don't need childe to do everything well

you have other options

because I remember you have nilou

[ebon glacier]

Want something for those lectors

4.7 abyss gave me the worst of nightmares

[native crest]

furina neuvilette kazuha zhongli will do pyro lectors just fine

[ebon glacier]

Took me 4 days to complete that with that team only

Just my level of skill issue I guess

[native crest]

it will get easier the next time you encounter them

[ebon glacier]

Oh it was easier during the second cycle

[native crest]

that's kind of how it goes with abyss. the second year onwards of doing abyss seriously you become familiar with all the old enemies and only have to learn new ones

[ebon glacier]

Guess I will just keep childe on whatever build he is on currently until I get harp then

Cause I think till that the only team he is viable in is intergrassion

Btw is this good enough?

Btw this is my navia build as you can see the nighttime artifacts didn't turn out great or anything so I was thinking of using 2pc 2pc atk instead

Would it be beneficial or I should use optimiser for this one?

[ebon glacier]

Guess not

[native crest]

navia fine, scara fine

navia likely can use more cv

[ebon glacier]

How much more?

[native crest]

oh wait she has 180cv

this is not bad

[ebon glacier]

Well I always intended to change her circlet so I will use the elixr for that however if it also turns out bad then that's that

[ebon glacier]

Which one out of these two is better?

Would it be worth it to sac 17 er for cr?

[ebon glacier]

Another one since rng decided to be good with me

[native crest]

last one unless you need more er

[ebon glacier]

So is this right?

[native crest]

mostly unrealistic for a navia double pyro rotation

do xiangling skill every other rotation and 3 navia skill per rotation (with the first being EQ on navia then switching to teammates).
give zhongli fav

[ebon glacier]

Why every other rotation?

Also how to account for skill every other rotation?

0.5?

[native crest]

Shorter rotations for navia and more realistic energy management

[ebon glacier]

Wait is it for burst or skill?

[native crest]

Put xiangling burst every 2 rot

[native crest]

Xiangling burst every,2 rot bottom,of column

Burst Sorry. Typo

[ebon glacier]

In that case I won't have any problem even without fav

[native crest]

Yes

wait

for zhongli, input missed pillar

not skill 1

for zhongli you're almost never using press skill 1, either hold skill or missed pillar (mostly missed pillar)

[ebon glacier]

Wait so it goes something like navia eq zhongli e Bennett qe xiangling qe navia e (do I just na in between) e then Bennett eq zhongli e navia eqe?

[ebon glacier]

If you hold skill you get the shield right?

[native crest]

NA in between navia E
next rotation everything the same, just toss guoba before bennett and go into navia

[native crest]

yes

assum hold skill but pillar doesn't hit enemy for er calc

[ebon glacier]

Ok so simply burst xiangling whether I have it?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Guess I will need fav

Btw from where can I see the rotations?

Cause till now I never knew that with navia xiangling bursts every other rot

[native crest]

https://gcsim.app/db/Wg96LTbdfQwg#tab=config

[native crest]

you can choose to burst every rotation but you see what happens to er

and it also means navia rotation will be stretched to 20sec or 21sec

[ebon glacier]

With this the rotation is of how many sec?

[native crest]

about 18

[ebon glacier]

Honestly sorry for asking but do you know of a good team to get the platinum rank for the day 1 challenge of of trial and thorn

[native crest]

I haven't done the event yet one moment

[native crest]

use a geo team (navia is fine) and make sure you break the shields enough times to fill the bar (10 times is max)

then use a dendro team (haitham is fine) second half

[ebon glacier]

Tried it but can't get the platinum

[native crest]

is your wrio built

if so kazuha wrio nahida bennett can be a good try

[ebon glacier]

Tried it but didn't worked

[native crest]

haitham team is still worth a try. nahida and haitham benefit from the buff. The rest is positioning and rotation management like abyss

[ebon glacier]

Now I am thinking that even if I lose 20k mora on all the levels it won't really matter much

But looking at the gold instead of platinum kinda hurts like what is the meaning of all that grinding if my characters can't even get the final rank of an event

[ebon glacier]

Thing is just that setting up the rotation for individual waves takes up a lot of time

[native crest]

Yes nahida restrictions.

I forgot do you have emilie

I,am not at my computer to check

If you have emilie xiangling bennett kazuha is easy platinum

[ebon glacier]

No

Tried to get emily but couldn't get her

[native crest]

Then i would try haitham team for a bit. Experiment with diff rotations. Try not to use nahida hold e. Run into enemies and tap e, sometimes just let haithsm take 2 waves of enemies in one rotation without refreshing nahida. Experument

[ebon glacier]

Btw is it worth it to actually spend so much time to get platinum?

[native crest]

No

The reward is so small

Just get the primos and however many after.that that is worth your time

[ebon glacier]

Well I can easily get gold so yeah the only thing I will lose is by max 60 k mora

Not much of a loss honestly

Thanks a lot for your help

[ebon glacier]

Hii gella
Can you pls tell me how much er would xilonen need is she is on the natlan craftable?

I did this but have no idea if it is right or not

[native crest]

you can build xilonen with 0 ER and burst when you have it

especially for low-investment xilonen (how most poeple likely build her)

[ebon glacier]

But that would be a problem of using her with furina

I mean I will just try to get a def def hb hero set but I just want an idea of how much er might be needed

[native crest]

ah ok one moment

well actually if you're using bennett here

xilonen can likely still just build 0 er

[ebon glacier]

I mean for other teams

As a more generic build

This team was there as an example because I was thinking of using this team next abyss

For now this is her build

And the weapon is gonna be the natlan craftable

[native crest]

unless you have a team that has only xilonen furina and no natlan characters and no marechausee users

I would just build xilonen with 130ER or so and no higher

especially since current teams use bennett + xilonen or furina + xilonen + HP changers

mualani could be an exception but you don't have her

right?

[ebon glacier]

Yeah don't have her

But I intend to get her on rerun

[ebon glacier]

In that case I think this build is good enough

[native crest]

looks fine

[ebon glacier]

I don't really understand this here on Akasha it's showing me yelan hp to be 28k but when I put her in the team of yelan haitham kuki and nahida she somehow gets a hp of 31k?
I mean how is this possible?

Also what are like the soft goals for yelan?

Like are there certain guides for what you would optimise for a character in the optimiser?

[native crest]

Use infographics command it has softgoals

Also yelan gains hp by being in a team.

[native crest]

Use kqm multi target resource. Otherwise you optimize according to how much work you are willing to put in for the level of accuracy you want. For someone like yelan that deals 80% of damage in burst you can,just optimize for single burst hits

[ebon glacier]

Where do I find that?

[ebon glacier]

The infographics just tells about the stats needed not like the minimum value I should have

For example I don't know if 31k hp is good enough on yelan or I should have more

[native crest]

https://keqingmains.com/misc/multi-optimization/

[native crest]

1. yes it's enough
2. softgoals is a good start
3. if you are asking this in a minmax way the answer is optimizer

[ebon glacier]

The config it has is for a vaporize team?

Do I use that?

[native crest]

scroll down

or ctr f for yelan

[ebon glacier]

No I was actually asking it in a minimum requirement way like it's said that for xiangling you should have about 150 or heigher em like that

[native crest]

then you should know that soft goals is just the auto stat distribution according to kqms standard

[ebon glacier]

Yelan is empty

[native crest]

yeah for yelan just use a single hit of her burst as optimization target

no need to do more

[ebon glacier]

What are kqm standards

[native crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oq-e4JxCW4

if the video is too much detail you can think of kqms as the standard USED FOR CALCULATIONS for "reasonable endgame build" of characters that limit the number and roll of substats you can use for calculating damage

and softgoals just show you a result of what a build like that looks like with "reasonably universal team assumptions"

[ebon glacier]

I will actually try to see the entire series once

Just for info

[ebon glacier]

Hmm so the softgoals are formed based on those calculations then?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Also what does reasonably universal team assumptions mean?

[native crest]

meaning for yelan you're going to use non vaporize (vaped E) for team

for kokomi you'll use onfield dps (taser or hyperbloom)
for childe you'll use international or sucrose version

etc

if you come across a character like xiangling that uses vaped and pyro dmg then you can build 2 softgoals

and for characters that have teams with several levels of ER you'll build multiple er-based softgoals (I remember they did this for yelan)

[ebon glacier]

Ok so from softgoal I understand it to be like the minimum required stats that a character should have

Am I right or wrong

[native crest]

wrong

it's just kqm standard

meaning it's just a balance between abyss comfort for a character (assuming fairly recent character) vs farming time

when abyss inflation happens "softgoals" for powercrept characters will not be as comfortable

kqms standard is just 40 stats (20fixed 20floating) for crit build characters no matter who it is

and "minimum required" isn't really an objective standard. it is a sliding scale depending, once again, on team, character/cons/weapon, player skill, etc

[ebon glacier]

Do you think the stats are good enough glance wise?

I checked it in optimiser and it says that it would be about 1.3% better than my current build

Although don't really understand that why on earth is the DMG shown so low

I mean in game I am doing something like 45 k per our so DMG per pyronado hit

[native crest]

she probably doesn't need er sands in raiden national but otherwise good

[native crest]

but if that's the result optimizer gave you then keep with it

45k sounds about right

[ebon glacier]

Actually no it's 40 k

The extra 5 k was due to abyss blessings

[ebon glacier]

Optimiser is showing me this dmg

[ebon glacier]

If I switch the sands her er would drop to about 180

Which I am sure is less

[native crest]

when I use optimizer with your pieces your best xiangling is with atk sands

in raiden national 180 is enough

[ebon glacier]

Can you send the pic of what you are getting?

Also atk and not em?

[ebon glacier]

Might be because I just use random targets and not proper targets from a guide or something

[native crest]

well no for xiangling you just click vaped pyronado hit

[ebon glacier]

You see I don't really understand how does optimisation works so I just input random targets and then choose the one that gives more DMG than my current build

[ebon glacier]

You don't set any targets?

[native crest]

not for xiangling unless you need to be more precise for some reason

from optimizer it kind of looks like your xiangling could use som better pieces. one moment let me check

pyronado shouldn't be doing 22k (which is what you have)

ah ok the emblem pieces are the reason

[ebon glacier]

Meaning?

[ebon glacier]

I mean I have a lot of +0 so I can level up some emblem

[native crest]

meaning you may want to farm/raise more pieces for xiangling

you would be able to see 35k+ dmg with the same set up but getting close to 40k shouldn't be hard

[ebon glacier]

Wait how did you reach 40k?

[native crest]

same team set up, just better pieces

[ebon glacier]

Btw do I have to scan again if I wanna upload all my recent pieces into the optimiser ?

[native crest]

optimizer upload allows you to completely wipe artifact and replace with new scan

you don't have to scan characters, just artifacts

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[ebon glacier]

Which pieces?

[native crest]

my pieces

[ebon glacier]

Oh

[native crest]

this is my xiangling I was using to check I wasn't overlooking some team set up issue with your optimization

[ebon glacier]

But I still don't get it I can surely do about 38-39 k DMG with pyronado in the game?

Of course if the hit vapes

[native crest]

xiangling is under imaginarium theater buff right now

[ebon glacier]

Xiangling isn't a part of the opening cast

[native crest]

holdon let me check

[ebon glacier]

Do all the characters of that element get the buff?

[native crest]

ah you're right, no buff on her

so take a ascreencap in overworld

[ebon glacier]

Of stats?

Or DMG?

[native crest]

no of dmg

[ebon glacier]

Give me a sec

[native crest]

I can see my xiangling doing 40k and I can see my friend's xl doing 35k in overworld

[ebon glacier]

Any good opponent that can survive rational for some time?

Would the yamukasaur king or whatever his name is work?

[native crest]

cocijo before shield goes up

for xiangling ninianne in fontaine also works, immune to hydro but your hits always vape

[ebon glacier]

Here she is able to deal 42 k on crit vape

[native crest]

are you using new pieces?

I'm still wondering why optimizer says 22k (it's surprisingly low)

[ebon glacier]

Vedio as well

[ebon glacier]

This build

One piece was upgraded but I upgraded it there as well

[native crest]

ah ok if this is the build then good. and it makes sense that she's doing higher damage. consider her done

I think I just got confused why the screencap after that was 22k pyronado and saw that your optimizer pieces also show 22k

[ebon glacier]

I didn't understood

How is it 22k?

[native crest]

this screencap shows that your pyronado is doing 22k damage

[ebon glacier]

Yeah

[native crest]

and it shouldn't be

now no issue

[ebon glacier]

What does it mean it shouldn't be?

[native crest]

it means if your optimizer result for vaporized pyronado is 22k something isn't right

either set up, or pieces in the database

[ebon glacier]

So why no issue now?

Dosent it mean that something is wrong

[native crest]

because your other screencap show that you have better pieces on xiangling. so her build in game is fine

but you probably missed some setup steps when you were using optimizer before

and since your ingame setup is fine then things are mostly ok. after all optimizer's goal is helping you build in-game

[ebon glacier]

The pieces are the same as this build was recommended to me by optimiser only

[ebon glacier]

Well that's true

If her in game DMG is good I guess nothing else matters

[ebon glacier]

The DMG is fine right

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Cause I was kinda concerned that the cr is a bit low

[native crest]

that's how it is with catch xiangling

[ebon glacier]

??

Catch only provides 12% extra though

[native crest]

yes and because xiangling needs high er and doesn't ascend with crit rate

her crit stats won't look very high, espcially if you're using catch

I think my xiangling's crit rate is 60 (likewise for other xiangling's I've helped build)

[ebon glacier]

Well guess I can just never touch xiangling again

[ebon glacier]

Still don't get what steps I missed?

[native crest]

I don't know I only see the screenshot you have

[ebon glacier]

I believe these are the team buffs

[ebon glacier]

Can I send you this team somehow?

Like I did with the gcsim?

[native crest]

yes click export team

but I don't have your new pieces in optimizer

[ebon glacier]

I got the mistake

Xiangling wasn't on field so she wasn't getting Bennett's atk buff

[native crest]

ah

[ebon glacier]

This seems about right now

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

34 k avg DMG is good enough I think?

[native crest]

yes for er sands xiangling

[ebon glacier]

Good I am never touching xiangling again

Just one last question how much DMG is considered good for xiao?

[native crest]

depends on team

xianyun furina faruzan xiao gives different numbers than prev teams

[ebon glacier]

I guess it would be just better to show the build

Just don't laugh ok

This one

Do you think it's good enough for the abyss

[native crest]

hopefully not with favonius lance

[ebon glacier]

I mean I do have 2pjws

But one is raiden and another I wanna save for arle

Cause when I get her he won't be getting it ever

[native crest]

then maybe xiao as dps won't be high priority

just have him borrow a weapon on abyss that really favor him

chances are if you get arle you will just bench xiao full time

[ebon glacier]

Not a high priority at all

[native crest]

so don't worry too much about build

[ebon glacier]

I find wanderer to be just better

[native crest]

anyway I'm headed to bed. gn

leave questions here I'll get to the quick ones tomorrow and the ones that need more time when I get home

[ebon glacier]

Gn and thanks a lot for your help today

[ebon glacier]

Do you think this build would be good enough for arle?

With pjws completely leveled up the cr would become about 70

[native crest]

I see pieces but not stats can you pull stats page

to avoid doing math

Pieces themselves look fine

Oh wait other picture is stats

Build is fine. Look for more crit rate If you are getting other sands or circlet

[ebon glacier]

How much more?

And by this how much more can I possibly hope to get considering most of my saved pieces turned out to be dead stats

[native crest]

maybe 1~2 rolls more if you have alternative flower

[native crest]

if they're all unlikely to roll better stay with current

current is fine and good

[ebon glacier]

Gotcha

[ebon glacier]

@native crest wanted to ask if it would be beneficial to try and get a 4pc whimsy for arle or should I just stay with the current glad
If I should stay with glad then could you recommend me any artifacts that I should focus to farming for now?

[native crest]

what cv does glad set have?

artifact only

[ebon glacier]

Let me check from in game

[ebon glacier]

205.2

[native crest]

not worth

what teams do you want to build?

are you pulling in natlan?

if you are, natlan set

[ebon glacier]

I currently have about 100 decent+ 0 artifacts of the natlan set

So I was thinking to just keep it at that and then continue again based on what the character I get actually need

[native crest]

does chevreuse have anything?

[ebon glacier]

Nope

[native crest]

do you have kachina?

[ebon glacier]

Yes

She was given for free

[native crest]

raise chevreuse and kachina as decent flexibility plans

then you can decide which dps team you want to raise from the very many you pulled

ganyu, wrio, wanderer, etc

[ebon glacier]

Meaning?

[native crest]

a support dehya can be worth considering in natlan but you can raise as the need arise

[native crest]

meaning kachina is a good teammate in a chiori team or a navia team or elemental team
and chevreuse is a good option when other side wants kazuha. you can decide if you want to hold off and see if you pull xilonen, before deciding about chev and kachina

you have enough characters now that these decisions are going to involve more and more personal preferences

[ebon glacier]

I think dehya will be kinda easy since you only need random hp stats on her right

[native crest]

hp or em depending on what kind of support

[ebon glacier]

I am pulling xilonen for sure

[native crest]

then chev kachina kazuha sucrose xilonen will be sidegrades/alternatives of each other

[ebon glacier]

Ok and add for artifacts farming?

[native crest]

personal preference after deciding what teams you want now

[ebon glacier]

Btw is r5 natlan craftable good for support xilonen

[native crest]

fav

[ebon glacier]

Already have enough er on her to burst every rot

[native crest]

it's for teammates

and her personal lack of damage

[ebon glacier]

Oh

Wait how will she even proc it if she is not on field

[native crest]

she's onfield the way kazuha is onfield

multi hit eq swap

[ebon glacier]

No I mean like kazuha gets multiple stances to proc fav during his skill would xilonen also have those?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

I see

So this much cr would be low then?

[native crest]

looks fine

[ebon glacier]

This much cr is fine?

For fav?

[native crest]

yes this is fine

[ebon glacier]

Cool I guess I will just switch some of the high er ones to where they can be better used

Also why shouldn't I use natlan craftable btw?

Wouldn't more def means more healing?

[native crest]

teammate er management

if you prefer healing over er sure

[ebon glacier]

I mean most of the time I choose a bit higher er than the minimum recommended level(unless I am like bursting whenever needed or something) so most of the time er isn't much problem

That's why I was saying that

[ebon glacier]

Are there some other swords that can be used by her other than fav

Like some other support swords

[native crest]

freedom sworn and sig

[ebon glacier]

Thanks a lot

[ebon glacier]

So I was trying out optimiser for arle and optimiser says that this build is better if I replace the cd circlet for the cr one but isn't it like a highly skewed crit ratio

Not to mention I am very close to calling the crit

So now I don't understand if I should accept this build of the optimiser or not

Oh and also if we consider vaporise team then the other set is better but then the thing is arle with just xingqui or yelan dosent reliably vape every turn

So yeah I don't understand what should I do

Pls help me

[ebon glacier]

@native crest you there?

Sorry for pinging you if you were busy

[native crest]

I am here i am just not on pc.so,didnt see the message. The higher crit rate build seems significantly better so it probably has more total number of rolls than the other build

Yes it is possible for skewed builds to perform bettet than balanced builds of the same crit value by simoly having more rolls. For arle that's atk% and maybe em

[ebon glacier]

The em is less in the second one

[ebon glacier]

Also should I go for skewed build then?

[native crest]

if set up is same and accurate yes

6% is worth it

[ebon glacier]

@native crest how much fanfare should I assume for a team of neuv furina kaz and zhongli for optimiser purposes

Also would xilonen+geo resonance be a better tradeoff for kaz and one of neuvilett stacks for hydro reaction

[native crest]

do second by second counting

[native crest]

kaz furina neuvilette xilonen or neuvilete furina kaz zhongli

double geo can work if kazuha is needed elsewhere

doesn't matter ~that much~ in actual playing. you're just balancing survival in the team

if there are no survival issues no zhongli and just rely on xilonen

[ebon glacier]

What is that

[native crest]

write out your rotation

count the number of seconds and when furina E hits

[ebon glacier]

What has e got to do with her fanfare?

[native crest]

hp change

do a second by second hp change count

^ example, to be accurate do it yourself

if you don't want to be accurate just pick a number and call it a day

you may want to try tc channel to see if someone has done the work already

I'm not near tools where I can do it rn (sorry bout that)

[ebon glacier]

Don't worry about it

[ebon glacier]

But since the hp change stops at 50% I will also have to take that into account and then need to know how rapidly my healer would restore hp which would further impact the fanfare right

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

This one dosent take into account the pamber healing from neuv?

For the light blue one

[native crest]

looks like no pamber

[ebon glacier]

Then it won't be accurate cause pamber healing can result in Max fanfare

[native crest]

if he's using burst yes

neuvilette burst use can be optional in some team rotations, and in practice his burst use is often an emergency response at c0 (because you got staggered and need to get his ca back0

[ebon glacier]

That's why I can't use him without zhongli

Also yess most of the since vv is just 10 sec you can get off by never using his burst in practice

Cause you will need to switch for kaz vv(do correct me if I am wrong)

[native crest]

zeo were you the one who asked about xilonen crit rate

if you were I think I underestimated how much she needed to feel comfortable on fav

she has a 3~4 hits (assume single target) every time she swaps on field

36% cr on 4 hits means critting at least once 85% of the time

use cr circlet depending on how badly your team needs the fav particle

[ebon glacier]

#1270659916906106992 message
Do you mean this?

@native crest

[native crest]

ah yes

you can decide based on how much ER you build in the rest of the teams (and on xilonen)

right now you have about 30% of the time she's not critting with just onfield combos without extra na

[ebon glacier]

So I would need like 45% cr to reliably crit?

[native crest]

yeah if you want to never think about it, go above 50

this is strictly single target considerations

in small aoe 45 is comfortably reliable

[ebon glacier]

But like she hits a min of 3 times so isn't like below 50% also gonna garuntee a proc once?

[native crest]

assuming you have 45 crit and she hits 3 times that means (.55^3=.166 of the time there is no crit)

which is similar to sac sword procs

[ebon glacier]

I don't know about this formula but then by this standards .45^3 would mean there is a 0.091 chance of not criting

[native crest]

zeo .45 crit means .55 noncrit

[ebon glacier]

No I am assuming 55 cr

In my example

[native crest]

then yes

[ebon glacier]

So that means even 55 cr is not reliable?

Or that the chances of it happening are so low that it's practically impossible

[native crest]

9% non crit is a lot better than 15% non crit but if you're not comfortable with this you can go higher

again tho, depends on energy situation for the rest of the team

assuming you're taking 3 rotation per chamber and 9 rotations per floor you can roughly assume slightly less than 1 of those rotation may not crit

that's kind of how you think about this

[ebon glacier]

No no it's not about comfort or anything like that I was just asking from learning point of view

Like how things work

[native crest]

ah this is working out worst case

in abyss it's rare that all 9 rotations just happens in single target

so once you get to 45 crit rate you can start using personal preferences and how your team handles to decide whether you need more

getting 35% crit rate without crit circlet is not hard but 40+ requires some good rolls. 50+ usually means crit rate circlet

[ebon glacier]

However I don't understand one thing my kazuha cr is extremely low and yet I am able to reliably proc fav even in single target

[native crest]

I am a lot more comfortable with kazuha low crit rate because his hits have better aoe and you take him in aoe situations

[ebon glacier]

But it isn't bad even in single target situations I think

[native crest]

not a huge issue

but as I was adjusting my thinking on xilonen I remember the answer I gave, and wanted to update it

[ebon glacier]

Thanks for remembering

[ebon glacier]

So in the end it means I would need about 50+ cr to reliably proc fav on xilonen but it is needed only in extremely er hungry team?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Ok and one final thing

What should be the rotation for a team of navia Bennett xiangling and xilonen

[native crest]

navia (E)Q Bennett EQ Xilonen EAAQ Xiangling EQ navia 2N3D
xiangling uses burst every other rot

probably

if someone has a better rot you might see mention of it at some point

[ebon glacier]

One question is it worth getting homa currently?

[native crest]

I would advise against it

especially when the other weapon is nahida sig

[ebon glacier]

Nahidas sig is that bad?

[native crest]

Yes

Acct will likely feel exactly the same aftwr getting both weapons as before, esp for your spending lvl

[ebon glacier]

Got it thanks

[ebon glacier]

So in a team of wanderer faruzan Bennett/yunjin and zhongli what should be the rotation?

Also somehow when I checked on erc the er that my characters had was fine but when I play in the game I have serious er issues especially with faruzan and Bennett why is that so?

I think I did something wrong in here cause it wasn't this high last time

[native crest]

zhongli hE faruzan EQ yunjin EQ wanderer

although you may switch faruzan and zhongli if you feel you need more shield time for wanderer

the mistake is number of c6 triggers

[ebon glacier]

How many triggers occur

[native crest]

4 (faruzan guide

[ebon glacier]

Can you recommend me some teams for this abyss pls

I am kinda confused on which team to use for the second half since most of the things that can take down the aeonblight Drake can't take down the tulpa and vice versa

[native crest]

Switch teams between chambers otherwise fischl overloaf

[ebon glacier]

And with switching option which teams might be good?

[native crest]

Anythi.g with a bow for chamber 2 and nahida or pyro related team chamber 3

Nahida can kill the hydro minion easily

[ebon glacier]

@native crest one question how much er does ganyu and ayaka need(ayaka on r5 amenoma) for a freeze team?

[native crest]

what is the rest of the team

[ebon glacier]

Kazuha and kokomi if I get her

Otherwise furina

And either ganyu or ayaka+Charlotte

[native crest]

ayaka doesn't need amenoma in a ganyu furina kazuha team

and these teams you really want to try using erc for

because they don't have any complicated set up or things you have to count

[ebon glacier]

Why we bursting once per 2 rots

[native crest]

oh wait shoot

forgot my previous set up sorry

[ebon glacier]

Alright next time I will send what calcs I did along with the question

[native crest]

with amenoma ayaka needs about 0 er

[ebon glacier]

The skill is 2 for ganyu and ayaka?

[native crest]

yes

for this team

you can fit 2 easily

[ebon glacier]

How does the rotation goes for this team?

[native crest]

ganyu EQ furina EQ Kazuha EQ Ayaka EQdash CA combos
Ganyu E Kazuha E Ayaka E dash combos

[ebon glacier]

But ganyu q snapshots so she won't get the kazuha buff

[native crest]

you favor one or the other with double cryo

answer: doesn't matter, when kazuha can group ganyu benefits from vv shred and quadratic scaling and furina buff and cryo reso

in signle target, just favor ayaka burst

this team just have a huge dip in dps from second rotation onwards due to not having a healer

[ebon glacier]

I see

So if suppose I keep kokomi instead of furina then?

[native crest]

yes or swap ganyu out for citlali or charlotte

[ebon glacier]

Ayaka is better at freeze?

[native crest]

zeo dont' be afraid I think you can use erc for many teams. It's only some characters and teams have mechanisms that are not immediately obvious and trip you up

at single target

[ebon glacier]

So did I do it right?

[native crest]

looks about right (make sure rotation time is correct as it's not listed)

it should be 20sec for furina's E

[ebon glacier]

It was the default

So 20 sec

[native crest]

see you got this

[ebon glacier]

Maybe making Charlotte hold fav would be better

Another question how much flat energy does r5 amenoma gives?

[native crest]

well charlotte can reasonably use ttds here

kazuha should trigger fav twice per rotation in aoe

[native crest]

depends on number of E per Q, for ayaka that's usually 2

[ebon glacier]

So if I assume 2 would i get 36 flat energy or 24?

[native crest]

24

[ebon glacier]

So it's wrong then

[native crest]

charlotte may or may not be able to use ttds depending on her own er needs

[ebon glacier]

Btw how are these builds

[native crest]

overcapped crit rate but fine otherwise

and overcapped by 1 roll is no big deal

good build

[ebon glacier]

Who?

[native crest]

blizzard caps at 45

[ebon glacier]

I can switch one of the pieces around so that both have a more level build

[native crest]

ganyu: low rolls, don't use hamayumi for freeze ganyu

[ebon glacier]

Don't have anything better

[native crest]

that's kind of how it goes if you're raising both these characters

they want the same pieces

keep farming for better sands for both of them

[ebon glacier]

I meant weapon wise

[native crest]

or use the artifact selector to exchange sands

[ebon glacier]

Well I was just strongboxing for it but since the artifacts limit is gonna be raised in 5.3 I am gonna enter a stage of strongbox draught

[ebon glacier]

Also what all pieces you are talking about that have low rolls?

[native crest]

both their sands

ganyu sands no relevant rolls

ayaka sands very low number of rolls

[ebon glacier]

Isn't er relevant?

[native crest]

yeah only relevance is er but you should replace it soon

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[ebon glacier]

Any other pieces

[native crest]

that depends on what your artifact luck is

keep rolling good blizzard pieces if you're still going for blizzard

[ebon glacier]

How does tighnari need no er at all

Also in tighnari is it better to just burst every other rot or is bursting every rot necessary

[ebon glacier]

@native crest

[native crest]

when you take screenshot you can forget the bottom yellow and red stuff and make sure you take a screenshot of rotation time and ideally enemy particle set up (even tho you may not change them)

right now you have this team on 20 sec which sounds wrong

for the set up you have it's closer to 15

tighnari still builds close to 0 er here because he has 2 good batteries and accepts some kuki particles

tighnari should burst every rotation ideally but because his teams are often flexible within his useable teammates you would just build for the team you want to use and burst whenever whenever you can the rest of the time

[ebon glacier]

Ok so like here I tried to use this team and although I didn't encounter any er issues with tighnari like erc said but no matter what I did I couldn't get fischl burst up in time

Why is that so?

[native crest]

tighnari skill

double check your work lol (

[ebon glacier]

Shoot not the kirara one

Also the problem is not tighnari but fischl

Somehow I am able to get his burst up every rot but not fischl

Although if I go by the erc then it should be tighnari with er issues

[native crest]

fischl skill use is 0.5 (assuming you're alternating skill and burst each rotation)

[ebon glacier]

212er💀

There is no way I can get that much er

[native crest]

burst every other rotation zeo

[ebon glacier]

??

[native crest]

you're using burst every 15sec right now (you can't)

[ebon glacier]

But then am I not losing aggravate and hence DMG

[native crest]

fischl rotation is always E/Q

[ebon glacier]

Oh ok

[native crest]

but you're doing Q every burst which she can't do outside of raiden teams

[ebon glacier]

So then this one?

[native crest]

yup looks right

[ebon glacier]

So what should I change in this build to get more er?

[native crest]

give zhongli fav

you might still be short a little bit

alternately you can use a 2 tighnari E per rotation style

tighnari E Zhongli hE fischl E/Q Nahida E(Q) Tighnari CAx3 EQ CAx3 something like that

when you have a longer rotation fischl won't have er issues

[ebon glacier]

Give me a bit I will just check out this rotation in the abyss

Btw how much longer would the rotation become by this?

For the rotation time in the erc

[native crest]

closer to 20sec

[ebon glacier]

@native crest sorry for disturbing you again but I kinda forgot how did you changed the characters from the custom configuration to your own configuration from the optimiser in gcsim?

Can you pls tell me again

[native crest]

You can upload the scan of your inventory into gcsim the same way as into optimizer

[ebon glacier]

After uploading how do I change characters?

[native crest]

Click the big addition sign on the grey square and use drop down menu

[ebon glacier]

@native crest so I am currently contemplating on which artifacts domain I should do? Also I am kinda out of artifacts space so how should I approach it now?
Like almost every single artifact looks good to me

[native crest]

natlan set for a while if you plan to pull natlan characters right now (building ororon/kachina if you want a shield breaker for older teams)

if you're skipping natlan you can consider finishing pulled units

based on what you actually want to use or feel missing in abyss

[ebon glacier]

That's the problem I just don't understand what I should do cause most of the units are either better off built via strongbox or their bis domains are not much reisin efficient

[native crest]

if you feel you're done farming natlan set (not pulling in natlan at all anymore etc) you can farm less efficient domain and feed anything you don't want into strongbox for faster building

it just depends on what you're farming now

and how fast you want the units up and running

[ebon glacier]

I see

So what unit would you recommend building?

[native crest]

what do you feel is hard in abyss?

have you done this abyss?

I'd suggest having ororon if you're not pulling anymore in natlan

otherwise just build some sidegrades to characters you currently have if you often find you want them on both sides

[native crest]

With furina neuv arle you have pretty solid abyss lineup even for natlan. Mostly suggest noting down when you feel you are missing something in their teams and consider what pull plans you have in natlan . You will know whether it makes sense to no longer be as resin efficient for a whilr

[ebon glacier]

Abyss wasn't hard just annoying

[ebon glacier]

Ok so if I want working teams for both arle and mavuika to be used on the two halves of abyss what can I do
I was thinking about
Arle Bennett kazuha and zhongli
Mav citlali xilonen and who should be the 4th slot?

And just one more thing how should I approach the artifact limit? Should I just stop farming artifacts and wait for the limit to increase by 300 in the next version or should I sort through the artifacts to make space cause tbh I am unable to choose any useless piece from it

[native crest]

bennett

furina is also fine

[native crest]

aren't you still hundreds away from full

[ebon glacier]

What?

No I am full

[native crest]

artifact count

[ebon glacier]

Just a single space for artifact left

[native crest]

if you don't want to farm you don't have to farm

but it's likely you can whittle some down based on how long you've been farming

seems like ti's up to you how you want to do it

[ebon glacier]

I see

Can you give me some general idea of how I should approach it

[native crest]

it's still like before

prioritize and raise 2 pieces and get rid of the less likely piece

[ebon glacier]

Wait let me explain the problem

[native crest]

if you truly have no piece to raise you can raise the def double crit goblet etc and only keep ones with high cv or both crits and er

[ebon glacier]

The thing is that most of the pieces I have are 3 liners with a single crit so they can be useful or might not be useful which I don't know but the thing is that I don't have enough exp to level up all the 3 liners to +4 and hence I need to keep them

And since I am no longer having space I can't even do artifact routes for exp

[ebon glacier]

Btw how many pieces of atk def goblets do you think I should keep?

[native crest]

depends on how many you already have

whether they're raised

how good they are

what characters you already used that want them

suppose we get 1~2 characters that want hp/hp/hp, def/def/def, atk/atk/atk per year, keeping 3 good raised extra ones on hand to start will be fine

but once again

it's just a sliding rule of priorities

when you run into a limiting factor re-assess your priorities

[ebon glacier]

I see

Alright thanks

[ebon glacier]

Any advice on what I should change in these builds?

Also can I call my neuv build completed?

[native crest]

all 3 builds are good

[ebon glacier]

Btw gella how much er do you usually need on citlali?

[native crest]

Depends on set and team

Sliding rule

[ebon glacier]

Set is gonna be scroll as for teams I was thinking of a general build that could encompass all teams

[ebon glacier]

What's that

[native crest]

Sliding rule is a tool you can google

here it means her er moves around bssed on set (hero instructor) and how many natlan chsracters per burst

[native crest]

If you want yniversality just use er sands

[ebon glacier]

Will do that but for a general idea how much er since er sands will only provide 51 er

[native crest]

Out at the moment wont have genshin tools for sevral hours if you like, post your teams and tools

Trams and weapon

[ebon glacier]

Didn't quite get it what you mean by posting teams and tools but if you are busy at the moment we can talk when you are free

[native crest]

I was typing while walking sorry
I meant post teams you want citlali to play in.
Her burst may not be necessary for all teams (neuvilette) but the burst is necessary cryo application in others. In hero set the number of natlan characters matter (energy 2pc passive) this is mostly relevant for mavuika team

[ebon glacier]

I see so the potential teams that I could think about are
Mavuika Bennett/sucrose xilonen citlali
Arle Bennett kazuha citlali
Gaming Bennett citlali flex
Wriothsley citlali freeze
These are the teams that I would most likely wanna use citlali in where I think her burst might be of value in other places she is just a shield bot by most

[native crest]

for these teams if you can get about 145ER on citlali (on hero set) you should be ok

she doesn't necessarily need er sands

you can get to 165 fairly easily with just substats

[native crest]

but I would err on the side of overbuilding er on citlali because, for the pyro characters especially, her burst is important and you don't want to wait for it

in mavuika team unless you want to do archaic petra xilonen, you'll be coing hero xilonen instructor citlali

[ebon glacier]

I just simply went hero on both citlali and xilonen cause that way I don't need to change builds

It shouldn't be that much of a dps loss right

[ebon glacier]

So currently I am having about 190 er with an er sands
Should I change the sands to em?

[native crest]

you can try and see if you get burst back

[ebon glacier]

Which one is the most energy hungry team in this

[native crest]

gaming and arle

[ebon glacier]

The gaming rotation would be gaming e xilonen eq Bennett eq citlali eq then gaming eq and then e plunge?

[native crest]

gaming e xilonen E N2 bennett q citlali EQna Gaming (wait for cryo app) QEEEE

if you weave in na on citlali efore swapping to gaming you should be able to q basically immediately

[ebon glacier]

Would that affect the ttds buff if I weave na on citlali

[native crest]

no because citlali is the one using na

read carefully

citnali eqna

[ebon glacier]

No I don't remember but I think I was told this by someone that if you stay on citlali for long the ttds buff does not gets to the character you swap to next
I think that is a lie then?

[native crest]

the buff cd starts when you swap to gaming

you can stay on citalali for 25 minutes

and swap

and gaming instatnly gets it

[ebon glacier]

Alright thanks

Also another thing I tried to search a lot for the sliding rule tool that you were telling me about but I couldn't find it can you pls send me the link for it

[native crest]

citlali er needs just changes a little bit between a non natlan team (let's say gaming citlali bennett kazuha) because hero energy passive triggers once per (long) rotation
but in mavuika high end team it triggers twice per rotation

so you're looking at at most 6 extra energy for citali vs 12 extra energy every rotation

[ebon glacier]

So the er range won't be that different

[ebon glacier]

Also rotation can't be that long since Bennett circle lasts only 10 sec so the rotation can only be about 13-14 sec by max right

[native crest]

well no you're generally looking at 20minute rotations here

seconds

if it's shorter than 18sec you're much mroe likely to use er sands on citlali

wait, citlali+xilonen, not too bad

I was thinking kazuha sorry

if it's gaming bennett citlali xilonen and all of gaming's E's hit then running tripple em is probably fine on citlali

[ebon glacier]

But even citlali application dosent stay for 20 sec

[native crest]

20 sec rotation isn't 20sec on gaming

[ebon glacier]

Well but if I am using kazuha instead of xilonen then I would prefer a long rotation where for half the duration I won't even have most of the buffs

[native crest]

that's the tradeoff for most teams in genshin

you start losing buffs

this is why onfielders that can front load damage or swap without losing damage are preferred over those who can't

the point of most citlali melt teams is to frontload damage

[ebon glacier]

So in this kind of situation would i be better off play gaming vape instead of melt with furina?

[native crest]

no

for gaming citlali is an upgrade

but furina is easier to play

[ebon glacier]

But gaming can't front load DMG

[native crest]

no he can

his QEE is his frotn load

and tapers off in subsequent e

[ebon glacier]

But that would be having less cr mh would take time to get the 3 stacks

Sorry but I was thinking it this way that mh gains stacks when you have a change in hp

So during his q he will have a max of 1 attack from the earlier e

And not to mention that since at c6 his special plunge gets another 20 cr the cr for his q is even less

[native crest]

well yes but your bennett and your citlali instructor buffs will still mean gaming dmg is going to be higher

in the first part

than towards the end

[ebon glacier]

I don't have even a single instructor piece

[native crest]

gaming also tends to chase enemies out of bennett buff, towards the end

[ebon glacier]

Hmm

[native crest]

4tenacity is fine temporarily

[ebon glacier]

I was thinking to just keep both on scroll

[native crest]

that's fine too

you just lose damage (mostly on mavuika)

[ebon glacier]

How much DMG?

Shouldn't be that much

[ebon glacier]

Is it a lot of DMG loss?

[native crest]

initial burst hit

[ebon glacier]

So about 500k loss

[native crest]

50k

[ebon glacier]

Oh yeah 50k sorry I counted wrong

[ebon glacier]

So I did try it out against a local legend and even with a mavuika team I want about to get the burst back with about 150-160 er on it so I think either there is some mistake with the calcs or my rotation

[native crest]

Oh its possible i made a mistake. I used aloy as 5 particle generator because the version of erc i have doesnt have citlali

[ebon glacier]

So this is what I did

The rotation length is 20 sec

Until I made some mistake her er needs are high

Also considering this to be right do you think that about 600 em would be fine since I am on a er sands