It will result in a bit of images

[native crest]

move images here

[native crest]

but for the most part I think you can go either of 2 ways:

1. build her for double hydro, then raise an er sands
2. build her for 220ish er for a comfortable haitham team and just know that if you don't change her build for other teams it can mean she's overshooting er a little in those teams

[ebon glacier]

By a liitleit means by how much?

1-2 substats?

[native crest]

use this flower

[ebon glacier]

Or more?

[native crest]

if you play her with sac/fav xingqiu it will be quite a bit

[ebon glacier]

These are the feathers

[ebon glacier]

Thing is that I honestly have no idea how I might use her

[native crest]

use this one

and this circlet

you should already be looking at higher total er

[native crest]

start playing her in teams. you'll know hwich direction to adjust after a while

[ebon glacier]

Atk% is wasted on her

[native crest]

er and crit stats

[ebon glacier]

214.9

[native crest]

yeah better

[ebon glacier]

I mean the one that xiangling had should be better then

[native crest]

it will feel a lot better than 187

and if you keep farming you can likely get more er in sands or gob

[native crest]

possibly, again for xiangling try to hit er goal in a reasonable way (think of the number of realistic bennett funnels you can get into a 90second chamber clear)

[ebon glacier]

These are her stats for now

Only thing that suffers is her cd

[native crest]

this xiangling's fine

unless you already have pieces to minmax her with

this is fine for abyss

[ebon glacier]

Also she is on catch now

[native crest]

yeah that's fine

[ebon glacier]

If I wanna minmaxing then what should I soon to change

[native crest]

hard to minmax without sacrificing er (comfort) at this point

so just leave it

circlet has fewest useable stats but it is high er and on set, goblet is on set, the off set piece which is easiest to replace actually just has 2 bad rolls

[ebon glacier]

I mean the goblet is best used by yelan honestly since almost no bad stat for her

But then I will lose the 4pc

[native crest]

goblet?

xiangling's goblet on yelan?

[ebon glacier]

Circlet

Typo

[native crest]

I'd maybe suggest playing yelan now with what? 214er? before deciding

[ebon glacier]

So you think it's worth raising it for xiangling?

[native crest]

xiangling can lose the er in the circlet and still be playable but you may or may not like how that feels

if it rolls double crit yes

if not, unlikely to be worth it, depend on how desperate you are and how the chances look to you

[ebon glacier]

Wouldn't I need 225?

[native crest]

yes, but 10 short is workable (do try to r5 fav)

[ebon glacier]

Don't have any more fav

[native crest]

in that case play yelan in the teams you want to play and if energy is an issue put fav on nahida and see how that feels, if it solves your problems then go back and give yelan er in 10er increments

[ebon glacier]

Also the only place where I will have er problems is haitham quickbloom?

[native crest]

right now yeah

you'll probably be ok in other teams (quick erc test just now)

[ebon glacier]

Does this mean that in cases like a future vape team with arle(?) the er would be fine?

[native crest]

do you have arle?

[ebon glacier]

No for future

Since I am gonna go for her in her re-run

[ebon glacier]

Do you know some place where I can try a lvl 1 character

[native crest]

arle is likely going to be in the 225 er range (so haitham range) and you want fav on kazuha and yelan

[ebon glacier]

Without dying

[native crest]

lower abyss floors

say floor 9

yelan don't often die unless you're trying to do E CA Q

[ebon glacier]

Well gonna try it rn

[native crest]

floor 9 won't be realistic particle situation depending on how quickly you finish them off

[ebon glacier]

Yeah that's what I will sing just now

With that many enemies even if I have less er I won't suffer er problems

[native crest]

ah yes

[ebon glacier]

What do you thinnk about the Inazuma samurai?

[native crest]

he dies pretty quickly too but he dashes around

if your'e used to his movements you'll be ok

if you're not used to it the dashing can disrupt your rotations

so not quite an ideal treestump with high hp for testing rotation

[ebon glacier]

The immortal turtle in sumeru desert

[native crest]

oh yeah that works

forgot about it

[ebon glacier]

??

It works so I should forget about it?

[native crest]

it works

there are unkillable turtles in chenyu vale as well

[ebon glacier]

You know there location?

[native crest]

I'm signing off for the night soon

if you have questions leave them here or head to the main chat

[ebon glacier]

Well so I did try against raiden cause the turtles generate no particles at all

I think yelan will do just fine with this er cause her burst can also proc the fav passive

At least I was able to have a 100% burst uptine

Most likely I will try to level her up and then try again

[ebon glacier]

Can you send me the link to that mobile scanner once

[native crest]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/scanner

artiscan is the mobile screenshot scanning one

[ebon glacier]

Also just wanna know that just in case I decide to use inventory kamera there won't be any problem with using a scanner right

Cause artiscan is taking way too much time for just a few artifacts

@native crest sorry for the ping
But I really wanna ask that how will you tell me which artifacts are worth keeping and which ones aren't using the optimiser method

Since there are a lot of those

[native crest]

optimizer will show me your built characters, their weapons, artifacts, allowing me to do a full acct review before going through your artifacts

then very likely I'll look through your artifacts by set and pick off ones you're unlikely to need to raise and take screencaps of ones I want you to try to +4 or more

you want to do the artifact screencapping part when we're both online

but I can do the review on my own

[ebon glacier]

I see

[native crest]

everything depends on whether using a scanner is feasible for you

[ebon glacier]

So I am gonna download genshin on pc only cause I think inventory kamera method might be the best to keep me sane

[native crest]

if not, you can wait for a time when me or another helper is available for vc

[native crest]

truly it is the better method

congrats XD

[ebon glacier]

Well I think that the optimiser might be better since it will allow for a better account review overall?

[native crest]

well once you have your own acct loaded on optimizer you'll have a great tool available to you too

[ebon glacier]

Yeah it's good either way

Although getting new artifacts in it would be a hassle

But yeah

[native crest]

you just scan your acct as needed. it takes weeks to get good artifacts for a character anyway

and when you build characters with old artifacts it helps you quickly figure out the best build without having to farm

which can be very useful for characters that can use 2+2

[ebon glacier]

So it would be good for my progress of the overall understanding of the game and starts as well

[native crest]

yup

[ebon glacier]

Do you happen to know if any good YouTube vedio for inventory kamera?

[native crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGibineoGE8

[ebon glacier]

@native crest is this right?

[native crest]

yes this is the file, one moment

[native crest]

zeo you have 1.6k artifacts?

you're still pretty far from full storage lol

full storage for me is like, 25 slots free, 3 slots free

is it correct that ganyu and neuvilette have artifacts but no weapons?

xiangling doesn't have a weapon either

are weapon data missing from your scan?

lots of weapons look like this, which can't be right based on how you describe using your teams, right?

[ebon glacier]

Weapons are wrong

[ebon glacier]

Don't know I was prompted yesterday that my storage is full

Do I need to get the weapons done again then?

Also pls do ping me for next time since I might miss it

[native crest]

take a screencap of your inventory kamera settings

if you're in game, take a screencap of your inventory artifact page showing the number?

you have 1800 slots and there are only 1600 artifacts in the scan

[native crest]

did you enter wanderer's name and traveler's name in inventory kamera

sometimes if you don't it messes up the scan

[ebon glacier]

I had entered but I forgot if I did it before it after the scan

Nah it's 1619 artifacts only

[native crest]

ok artifact is correclty scanned but weapons are not

I'll want to have weapons for acct review

[ebon glacier]

The settings are right?

[native crest]

but I understand you're asking for help because you want an artifact strategy, even tho it's very not full

[ebon glacier]

I mean I can send weapons are well

[native crest]

sure, send me weapons only scan

unclick everything and just click weapon and see what it does

[ebon glacier]

Give me a sec

Gonna scan rn

[native crest]

yoimiya missing sands is that correct?

just spot checking

[ebon glacier]

Yeah I think it was taken by nahida

Gonna load the game in a sec so would tell you

What's the key for characters?

On pc?

[native crest]

c

b is inventory

[ebon glacier]

Yup she has no sands

[native crest]

we can fix yoimiya right away, give her a double crit atk% sands

not em

leave the em on nahida

[ebon glacier]

Which one?

[ebon glacier]

I also have a lot of em sands

[native crest]

you can give her ganyu's and give ganyu em sands

or raise a new atk sands for yoimiya ideally with more crit rate rolls than cdmg

from any set

[ebon glacier]

Freeze ganyu has no role for em

[native crest]

is she on freeze

ah sorry

so you only have 4 unequiped atk sands

raise this one, see what happens

+4 it

[ebon glacier]

Just wait a sec let me send the weapons file first

[native crest]

ok weapons fixed

[ebon glacier]

Is there any trash +4 or something I can use

[native crest]

you don't have that many unequipped +4

[ebon glacier]

I mean some equipped+4 can be bad as well

Cause most of them might be from the time I knew nothing about artifacts

[native crest]

you can eat these no problem

unless you somehow ned it for nilou

[native crest]

I'd just put this piece on yoimiya and keep raising it unless it all goes to a bad stat (only the 4th stat can be bad)

[ebon glacier]

I think my nilou good is good enough already no?

Also these ones would be a downgrade imo

[native crest]

yeah nilou's fine. potentially pull her double crit sands for someone else if they need it but the voroukasha's pieces you can eat

give nilou em or er sword

even lvl 1 dark iron sword

[ebon glacier]

+4 def

[native crest]

flat def?

[ebon glacier]

%

[native crest]

that's not bad for yoimiya for shield strength. not applicable to damage but applicable to healerless yunjin zhongli vape

anyway keep raising that, if it goes into def twice consider raising one of the other double crit atk sands

any one is fine

put some pieces on you hp shielders prioritizing double crit and er substats for hp goblet, then you can start foddering or feeding pieces like these

[ebon glacier]

Don't get it

There are only 3 hp shielder

Also shouldn't they like 2+2pc hp% for Max shield strength

[native crest]

who do you want to pull/build that would use hp mainstat pieces?
layla, zhongli, yaoyao, baizhu, sigwinne, thoma, diona, nilou, kirara, dori, candace, chevreuse, dehya

[native crest]

you are asking for fodder strategy

which is a prioritizing activity

meaning, you want to know which pieces you want to keep around even if they may not be ideal

[ebon glacier]

Thoma is for burgeon

[native crest]

I think you misunderstand "artifact strategy"

thoma is in burgeon build now

but do you ever want him to double as a pure shielder, for wanderer

etc?

this determines whether and how many hp pieces you keep, and therefore the quality of hp pieces you can get rid of, does this make sense?

[ebon glacier]

Yes

[native crest]

if building these characters for hp seem really far off you can sort your hp pieces by highest quality and put the best piece on them without raising them

I'll use dori as an example

suppose the most likely use you have for her is onfield healer for furina teams, you'd build her high er and pure hp, with fav great sword

don't talk, just let me finish (

sort your er sands for crit rate, then cdmg, put that on dori if no one else is using them.

you have some others you can +4 but if you're short on fodder just put this on dori

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[native crest]

do the same thing for goblet and circlet, put this on dori

now that you have 2 pieces on dori you can try to look for the rest of her "build" for 4pc or 2+2 (2healing 2healing, 2healing 2 er, 2healing 2hp) as highest priority and go from there. Once you do that for a bunch of characters you will have a good idea for what you can get rid of

generally tho I'll keep hp and def sands/gob/circlet that are double crit or er+crit rate at your stage of acct progress

sort all of your artifact for hp mainstat and see if you have a lot of double crit hp sands/gob/circlet. if you do, raise your standards to include double crit and er or double crit and em

[ebon glacier]

But why do I need cd on suppose a shielder whose atk will deal so little dng?

[native crest]

this is about priority

[ebon glacier]

Ok gonna do it

[native crest]

having cd is better than not having cd

so if you are raising pieces for a character that don't need it just raise the best (has cd) piece. you can easily move this to another character and raise a less good piece later

[ebon glacier]

And for flowers and feathers?

[native crest]

same idea, put some pieces on characters that could work for your team even if you don't use them right away

[ebon glacier]

Ok

Do I consider set bonuses here?

[native crest]

you can, it's just piorities. if you have onset pieces that work use them, if you don't just go for 2+2 or rainbow

[ebon glacier]

So that means this is useless for me?

Since I have so many good pieces

[native crest]

this is pretty useless yes, I'd fodder it right away

good you're getting the idea!

I'd typically just fodder these, it's not a useful set, no crit rate or er

[ebon glacier]

I will think it will be good enough to keep pieces with double crit even if it doesn't has er?

From this set

Something like this is there just because it has double crit

[native crest]

now dori has a 2+2, you can move pieces around esp since the feather doesn't have er but you can give this set to diona/layla/chevreuse right away for cheap

[native crest]

I keep them until I have a lot of them, then start wittling them down by useable set

so yes I have a lot of hp% and def% mainstat pieces that are double crit with no er

^ once you have that you will automatically know which pieces you can discard when you get them in domain/boss fights

[native crest]

dori wants a lot of er, you won't know whether you can use this particular piece until you start rolling her pieces. and double crit pieces always can work as off set rainbow piece, so just keep

at least until you have too many double crit flowers to keep track of

do this for all of your characters that you can reasonably use:
all of your 5star dps's, c6 niche supports (faruzan, kujou, gorou)
teamwide healers: dori, qiqi, charlotte, yaoyao
anyone you kind of personally like and would play off meta styles for

...does this thought process make sense

keep in mind your inventory still has a lot of room to hoard

right now you just need to have a decent strategy to fodder pieces you will never raise

[ebon glacier]

So like I came up with this set for cheveruse

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Is this good for the selection strategy?

[native crest]

yes

keep going

do it for a bunch of characters, put weapons on them

then every now and then review pieces you have on them and switch better ones etc

also use characters to hold artifacts for someone else: put burgeon thoma on thoma, put shielder thoma on xinyan etc

after you put pieces on characters sort all of your artifacts by mainstat and double crit substat to get an idea of how many good pieces you have for:
hp gob with double crit and er
def gob with double crit and er
hp sands with double crit and er
def circlet with double crit and er
em gob with double crit (and er)
so you have an idea how many "excellent" and "good" ones you have in each category. don't fodder double crit anything unless your'e swimming in pieces one level better (double crit and er)

for sands double crit and em are often good. for goblet and circlet double crit and er or crit rate and er tends to be more useful than em but you might as well consider double crit and em better than double crit and flat

[ebon glacier]

I should use optimise for this?

[native crest]

you can do this in game

I am just using optimizer to sort your pieces

[ebon glacier]

Like this?

I have a lot of double crit

[native crest]

yes but for candace who wants a lot of er try to go for 2hp 2er er/hp/hp if you can

unless this is the best you can do

[ebon glacier]

I can easily do that but I will have to switch one of the double crit

Although I think it will be for the better

[native crest]

that's fine, you don't have to strictly stick to double crit and er

[ebon glacier]

My eosf luck is terrible

[native crest]

you may want to put em-er pieces on candace anyway if you can use her in nilou team

[ebon glacier]

These pieces kinda look a lot bad

[native crest]

yaoyao can use 4tenacity if you use her in aggravate teams

in nilou team build pure em-er

and add in hp/healing pieces/sets if you die

do you want her to be nilou team healer

[ebon glacier]

She is mostly a healer for in nilou bloom

[native crest]

do you use chevreuse at all

[ebon glacier]

But yeah other than the father which is decent I think none of them is good at all

[ebon glacier]

She is lvl 20

[native crest]

if you do give yaoyao's weapon (dialogue) to chevreuse and give yaoyao tassel or fav

ah ok then dialogue for yaoyao

[ebon glacier]

I can craft the Fontaine craftable if needed

[native crest]

is yaoyao double dendro

if so what you have is fine actually

[native crest]

no just stay with dialogue until chevreuse needs it

[ebon glacier]

No my question is that when I was currently looking at the artifacts and felt that the pieces in yaoyao aren't that good

So was asking from the point of view of artifacts strategy

[native crest]

for yaoyao in nilou team the priority is:

1. enough healing so you don't die (hp, er, healing mainstats and sets)
2. once you don't die, build as much em as possible

crit rate here is only for fav procs, you can consider double crit pieces if you have a lot but you would never favor double crit here over priorities 1 and 2 because yaoyao isn't just holding pieces you won't raise for a while. you already plan to use yaoyao in a nilou team

[ebon glacier]

Those pieces are already level up

[native crest]

they're fine for healer yaoyao

[ebon glacier]

What set does sethos prefer?

[native crest]

4wanderer

thoma's flower is good for him

if you have a nother piece for thoma put that on sethos

if thoma can't switch put one of these on sethos

[ebon glacier]

Need the er and 2pc effect for em

[native crest]

then raise the er piece and see which one has more er, give the one with more er to thoma

[ebon glacier]

So something like this is good for tighnari?

[native crest]

yes

tighnari sethos and ganyu would use similar pieces from wanderer troupe except for the goblet

tighnari can use 4gilded dream

zeo I'm going to bed. if you have questions post them here I'll get to it tomorrow

[native crest]

but you kind of see doing this give you a better idea of what you can fodder yeah?

[ebon glacier]

She just one last these three are useless then right

[ebon glacier]

Yes I think it is helping me

[native crest]

consider +4 the flower and you can fodder the other

so lock the flower if you won't +4 it now. fodder the others

[ebon glacier]

Because of the cd and hp%?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

So that it it gives cr it can be a good piece for neuv

I see

[native crest]

yes, or a 2+2 for na/ca users (yanfei)

anyway I really got to go, see ya

[ebon glacier]

Nah it's flat atk

useless piece

[ebon glacier]

Good night

What do you think

I think these 3 goblets are fodders?

[native crest]

check the quality of your other hydro goblets and count how many hydro characters you plan on building. If you're in good shape just fodder these

a reminder that freeze ganyu doesn't want to use hamayumi, the weapon you currently have on her

[ebon glacier]

What weapon would be better then

[native crest]

oh I see you don't have very many bows

proto crescent would be better if you have any passive up time

but if you realize you don't shoot weak points at all just stay with hamayumi as a statstick until something better shows up
you could have song of stillness if you have a healer in the team. but this bow like crescent has a conditional passive that you have to work with

[ebon glacier]

Meaning that they would kinda require furina to be present

Song of stillness I mean

[native crest]

yes furina-charlotte or diona-mona

[ebon glacier]

I mean there's just yelan Candace childe neuv and xingqui

Mualani if I would get her

I think neuv and yelans goblet is good enough

Like I do get your point that get an elemental goblet is very difficult but I think that these pieces have very copium substats not ideal at all unless somehow every single roll goes to cr or cd

So if I am gonna use an offpiece wouldn't a atk goblet with good substats be a better alternative?

[native crest]

do you have mona

[ebon glacier]

Yes

[native crest]

then ganyu can use a mona team

one moment let me go through your hydro goblets

you don't have very many at all

just hoard all of them

[ebon glacier]

I +4 these from +0 and I have recently got a double crit +4

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[native crest]

even the ones you showed me could potentially roll a few times into crit or a secondary useable stat

keep and raise several, use your best ones, start whittling well down the line

[ebon glacier]

So I keep stuff I am less of

[native crest]

yes when you have very few of something, relax your standards

[ebon glacier]

Does this mean that suppose I have an atk sands of a particular set that I want eg I want a mh atk sands for gaming but it is terrible with hp% flat hp cr and def%

So do I keep it just because I want it or I fodder it since I have a lot of good atk sands alteady

Though not on piece

[native crest]

for mh it's a special case, since you overcap your crit rate more easily you'd relax your standards slightly for the sands. if when you +4 it has cdmg and one or 2 other useable stats (em, er, atk/hp% depending on the dps) you'd keep it for a while

when you're starting to farm a new set you'd also relax your standards a little and keep single crit sands until you can afford deciding when you can fodder

[ebon glacier]

So it all depends on what artifacts I have

[native crest]

this wouldn't have looked like a good sands but when your build is nearly ready and you realize you just need cdmg you can raise such a hoarded piece

and have a finished build instantly

this keqing's artifact-only cv is something like 180 or 200

that's done for keqing

when you actually run out of room you can start eating pieces but for now you just want to comb through your account to set some priorities

[ebon glacier]

So I should only be a bit more harsh and maybe consume potentially good pieces when I am out of space and the chances of it being good is less?

[native crest]

no, don't consume good pieces

you have room to hard

you'd only consume pieces now if you were desperate to fodder

...but you don't have to be desperate to fodder if you are farming more resin efficient domains at your stage, no?

[ebon glacier]

No I mean when I don't have

[native crest]

OH I read that wrong

yes

just hoard

[ebon glacier]

Yeah currently I am doing mh

[native crest]

when you are nearly done with a set you can evaluate and see if you can eat some badly raised pieces. But often you can just put them on a less important character and instantly have that character raised as a support/subdps

currently imaginarium theater endgame isn't too hard but it wants you to have some more raised characters

[ebon glacier]

What does that mean?

[native crest]

oh I was just saying you can minimize trying to build many sets at the same time buy focusing on sets that can work for many characters

that way you strongbox one or two sets and dont' have to feel like you're making no progress in every set

[ebon glacier]

Ok

So how about I do the emblem domain along with strongbox of vv

That way I think I can improve build on the most of my characters

What are your views

[native crest]

it seems like your vv is nearly done

sucrose just needs a circlet?

if you don't use 2 anemos in abyss you can just use kazuha

jean can use a 4pc but she's not too picky about mainstat

it also looks like you're nearly done with emblem

deepwood also, you can move on if you want

seems like you can still use some marechaussee

farm that one and strongbox the others (emblem vv for to your satisfaction)

when 5.0 comes around you'll be able to strongbox marechaussee and deepwood too

[ebon glacier]

I am almost done with emblem but my overall builds aren't that good

[native crest]

if they are useable you can delay finishing emblem builds until a later date

depending on how you feel about whether you have enough team options

[ebon glacier]

Could you once look at my raiden xiangling xingqui and yelan once

[native crest]

you can build a bunch of teams to 90% and feel pretty good, and then go back to finish the last few % for comfort

when a build is "finished" is mostly a matter of personal comfort

[native crest]

yes one moment

[ebon glacier]

Also I was thinking I can give ganyu and ayaka 4pc eosf for freeze teams till I get time for bs?

They both snapshot right?

So would it be better than 2pc er and 2pc atk?

[native crest]

they're all done, raiden could maybe use better crit rate and cdmg ratio but she's fine

[native crest]

yeah give them extras from emblem until you have time for blizzard

[native crest]

ganyu snapshot, ayaka doesn't

wait one oment

[ebon glacier]

I actually didn't wanted her to rely on Bennett circle to function by giving her a er sands

[native crest]

ayaka burst also snapshot

sorry about that

[ebon glacier]

Plus the flowers turned out of go almost all in er

[native crest]

the er is what makes it good for the build you currently have

otherwise you'd be short some er

[ebon glacier]

Yeah but this way her crit suffered

[native crest]

yes I'd still keep the flower for the high er tho. just put it on er-hungry characters after you take it off raiden

[ebon glacier]

And the only way is to get lost of that atk sands for er and then crit flowers

[native crest]

so yes if you want to keep strongboxing emblem I can see some room for that

but you can totally stop now and give your other characters builds

so you have more characters

[ebon glacier]

I ain't ever foddering that it's one of my best piece

[ebon glacier]

So MH would be better

Who all can use gt again?

[native crest]

furina, fischl, albedo, emilie

for albedo you can 100% skip husk set if you have a good gt on him

[ebon glacier]

It's the set i have on him good then?

[ebon glacier]

Also isn't chori in it as well

[native crest]

yes just put that on chiori

you can move on to mh domain

[ebon glacier]

One question how much er does kazuha needs if he is on iron sting and not fav?

[ebon glacier]

Also for the free 5* should I get keqing whom I don't have for now or I go for one of the cons for some other standard character

[native crest]

This depends on team. If this is still international his personal er is really high, think 200+

[native crest]

Let me get home to check your optimized stuff.

[ebon glacier]

Well since childe is not built I can't play international

That guy literally needs the heighest cr from any character I know

Oh btw if possible can you pls see if I have enough artifacts to give him something like 2+2 when you get home

[ebon glacier]

@native crest I am actually thinking of whom I should go for Emily or mualani?

What do you think

[native crest]

no on mualani, you have neuvilette.

maybe on emilie if you want a subdps for wrio, but since he's unraised you can pull her after you build him

keqing could be a good acquisition for an agg team

if you were close to c4 or c6 jean I'd say go for jean but your jean is c0

[ebon glacier]

71 cr is enough?

[ebon glacier]

And this one?

[native crest]

Personal preferrence. Ideally no but it is the highest average damage for childe without using pieces on built characters

[native crest]

Scroll up

[ebon glacier]

Sorry didn't read that

[ebon glacier]

And if I could take some artifacts from other characters then?

[ebon glacier]

Btw can you tell me how to do this on optimiser?

[native crest]

Yes i will take some screenshots. Are you able to upload your json file to optimized and able to, see your characters weapons and artifacts

Making dinner now. Will take some screenshots latwr

[ebon glacier]

Sorry take your time then

[ebon glacier]

Yes I have uploaded and am able to see my characters artifacts and weapons

[native crest]

click loadout on a character page

scroll down until you see:

where you add teammates for elemental resonance and buffs

add your teammates then scroll back up:

you'll have to go into each teammate tab here and turn on their buffs (set, skill, weapon etc) before going back to furina. I'm turning on raiden E and Yelan Q

oh your yelan is underleveled, so just raiden Q, not even vv

but you have hydro resonance on furina now

assuming we're optimizing for furina

go back to furina tab and click optimize

box 1 is where you select artifact mainstats and selecting these makes optimizing faster. Box 2 is where you specify minimum numbers you want the optimizer to hit, usually this is ER, but you may want to specify em, hp, crit rate etc for other characters

then click artifact set configuration and make sure set effects are on. You can also specify which sets you want to ban in this option, like so:

lastly select furina optimization target, for furina in non reaction teams just pick one of her E damage sources

click generate build, and it will automatically look for highest damage

for more complex characters you will need to set up multi target, if they vape some of their hits and not others, if buffs expire etc

so you can see the build you have is already furina's highest dmg build in pure hydro

[ebon glacier]

Does this mean the set i have on furina is the best i have got now

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Thanks

I will try to do it for childe and then show what I got

[native crest]

for childe you want to do some kind of multitarget

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZzG7kHbI_vNsEZWpafRXXnYO64VFNpOuOhOuElC8w9o/edit

there is a special document for childe

[ebon glacier]

Any option that's gonna be beginner friendly

[native crest]

go through the set up for furina

xiangling, xingqiu

where you don't have to set up multi target

you can just pick their largest single source of damage

like skill, burst etc

[ebon glacier]

Gotcha

[ebon glacier]

It's this right?

Forget about the fact that she is holding dragonspine spear

Forgot to change it

[ebon glacier]

Also would there be any increase in DMG by levelling alhaitham na from lvl 8 to 10

[native crest]

yes tho I wouldn't have her hold dspine spear yes

[native crest]

lvl it at least ot 9

on mastersheet there's a talent level priority table

[ebon glacier]

I already have crowned his q and e

[ebon glacier]

From where can I get this marksheet

[native crest]

https://wangshengfp.org/faq/alhaitham/

mastersheet link

talent tab

scroll to the right

[ebon glacier]

Also another thing when alhaitham atks with mirrors are there two instances of atks(one na and another mirror) or a single?

[native crest]

mirrors are extra attacks on top of his normals

[ebon glacier]

So the dendro infused atk are counted as na?

[native crest]

you will see mirrors attacking by the special visual effect (3 mirror: rain; 2 mirror: horizontal arc; 1 mirror: small vfx)

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

I see

[native crest]

you can do a test, QE and start normal attacking, do n3d at a tanky enemy

every 2 (n3d) his animations changes

[ebon glacier]

So it would be good to triple crown him

[native crest]

that's because you lose a mirror every 2 set of combos

[native crest]

well no

I'd level to 9 and stop

[ebon glacier]

Why is that

[native crest]

his personal contribution to team isn't a hypercarry and because he's a spread dps talent levels do not affect spread dps. only his base dps

[ebon glacier]

??

[native crest]

there is a farming-time consideration where it's more worht crowning than farming artifacts but I'd just raise him decently and stop hyperinvesting

[ebon glacier]

Spread only gives a DMG increase iirc

[native crest]

talent levels only affect "personal damage"
spread additive damage is "bonus damage"

[ebon glacier]

So how come spread dps is unaffected but his base dps is increased

[native crest]

skill level doesn't make "bonus damage" higher

[ebon glacier]

No I was thinking it like this

[native crest]

you can see for yourself in optimizer

click the spread option on and off

then level the talent

and click the spread damage on and off

[ebon glacier]

If suppose the DMG bonus is 10% so I do it with a base multiplier of 40% or 50% would change the DMG ?

Numbers are arbitrary

[native crest]

you're confusing damage bonus and bonus damage

damage bonus is his goblet, elemental damage bonus, skill/burst damage bonus, etc

bonus damage is flat damage

spread "buff" is a flat damage

refer to graph for damage bonus vs bonus damage (flat damage)

[ebon glacier]

So it's just a flat DMG increase based on em

[native crest]

(haitham skill level dmg + spread flat damage) * elemental bonus

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

I see I see so since his base atk isn't that much it won't be much benifit to lvl his na to 10 since spread dps would only depend on em

Also if possible can you pls once check if my Barbra build is good for nilou build

Currently I am thinking of using nilou Barbra nahida and yaoyao

[native crest]

right now your barbara is on em anemo em build for some reason

give her 4pc gilded dream with em mainstats

that's all you need

and lvl 90 her

[ebon glacier]

Oh yeah sorry about that the em piece turned out to have good er so I gave it to kazuha

I currently have her triple em and 2pc em 2pc HB

[native crest]

with 2 healers in the team you probably don't need barbara to heal that much

[ebon glacier]

Thing is I don't have a em pieces to make 4pc guilded

[native crest]

but 2hb is fine if you want to spend artifact exp elsewhere

ah yeah

just start using like this

but lvl 90 barbara

[ebon glacier]

Consider it done soon

Also would yaoyao be fine in this team or I should change it to kirara?

[native crest]

yaoyao

[ebon glacier]

So you think that this childe build is good for international?

[native crest]

Cdmg too low

But you can actually start using

[ebon glacier]

So gella wanted to ask
What artifact I should craft from the free elixrs that we are being given as the anniversary reward

Like on the first look I was thinking either something like on set geo goblet with double crit for navia or double crit circlet for neuv neuv but I don't know if it would be beneficial

Can you pls suggest some pieces that would be beneficial

[native crest]

It should be the last poece that allows you to move on from farming a set. Usually in the sands gob circlet position

[ebon glacier]

But how do I decide when to move from a farming set

Like it's obvious in something like whispers or whimsy but what about more general ones like guilded deepwood mh etc

[ebon glacier]

This is done calc that I did for alhaitham quickbloom that I feel is wrong

Can you once look at it

[native crest]

don't use it on a set until you're ready to move on

haitham projection attack should be 4 at minimum sometimes more

check rotation length is correct

that's about it

[ebon glacier]

Projection atk is that mirror shower?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

Then for my case it's usually 5-6

[ebon glacier]

Ok so do I need to change any piece for navia?

[native crest]

navia's fine generally as long as she has a geo battery (not zhongli)

[ebon glacier]

Her er is less?

[native crest]

navia's fine if she has a good dendro battery like albedo or chiori

if she only uses zhongli you want much higher ER on her or settle for her using burst infrequently

[ebon glacier]

So I was actually thinking of changing fav here for iron sting for some extra DMG bonus would it be worth it?

Also I was thinking that do I need mualani for my account on a purely account basis cause I actually liked her a lot

And how much of a DMG increase is 4pc of the childe bis hydro set(don't remember the name) than a 2pc+2pc?

[native crest]

You have neuvilette. No need for another hydro

[native crest]

You can switch if you don't play international or taser

[native crest]

5ish % (let me check numbers when i get home

If you really like mualani you can still pull But budget a little bit abt how many characters you build. No need to consider farming for childe if y

[ebon glacier]

If?

[native crest]

if you pull mualani

sorry I thought the whole thing sent

let me check childe artifact numbers one moment

[ebon glacier]

Thing is that childe high cr requirement is a lot difficult to complete on 4pc honestly so if it's just a 5% increase then won't I get the increase just by having a better 2pc+2pc set?

[native crest]

mualani if you feel you can play her well will reach higher team damage than childe

so if you pull her, you can keep childe on his current build and enjoy him in content where you don't need extremely high dps

he still does great in events, overworld, lower abyss floors

[ebon glacier]

Mualani will reach heigher team DMG then childe?

[native crest]

if you paly her well

her stacks etc

[ebon glacier]

It would be for bosses only then?

Cause childes quadratic scaling

[native crest]

mualani needs you to hit 3 enemies for max stacks

[ebon glacier]

So by playing her well you mean 3 shark bite?

[native crest]

yes if you can't control her movements and forward vape reliably

you won't get the damage ceiling

she's known for being hard to play, like childe

[ebon glacier]

Ok so thing is that I am a bit short on primos
So would I go for mualani or xilonen

[native crest]

childe: nymph dream over 2+2 is 8.5% improvement with my set up (sig, c2 kazuha, bennett on mist) but with childe combo not particularly optimized for weapon and set

just a common way of playing him

for what it's worth I don't think it's worth the resin to go for 4pc set if you are going to passively get 2+2 (hydro + atk)

[native crest]

since you have neuvilette I would maybe get xilonen

you have enough hydro chars for a while

[ebon glacier]

It's 2pc hydro 2pc atk?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

If we remove the c2 kaz and most from Bennett then would the difference decrease?

Also what's childe Sig?

Aqua?

[native crest]

sig

[ebon glacier]

Polar?

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

So here you are assuming the pre stacking of polar or not?

I seriously wished I had harp for childe

That would have made building him a lot easier

[native crest]

assuming pre-stack but not rigorously minmaxing

[ebon glacier]

So here I tried to do the rotation but the thing is that I don't have enough er on anyone for international and I don't understand how to do the battery phase properly

[ebon glacier]

Also I don't know how to do hyperbloom DMG on optimiser so can you pls tell me how much of a DMG increase would be 4pc fopl over 4pc guilded for shinobu in hbloom team of guilded is having about 20 em heigher than the fopl set

[native crest]

rotation is fine overall, swap out of childe when xiangling's burst ends. no need to stay

[native crest]

5%

[ebon glacier]

One question how much er does faruzan will need if not on fav in a team of wanderer yunjin faruzan and Bennett

[ebon glacier]

The only reason she is not on fav is because I have only a single fav that's on yelan

[ebon glacier]

I did do this calc on erc but I think that this is considering that faruzan is getting all the particles of her c6 burst which is impossible

[native crest]

is she c6 yet?

if so make sure she has 1 fav proc herself, 4 c6 triggers, and decide if you want to fire an aimed shot

she doesn't have 6 c6 triggers

give yunjin a fav triger

[ebon glacier]

She is c6

[ebon glacier]

Yunjin has very less cr to reliably proc fav

[native crest]

ah ok then 4 c6 triggers

if yunjin can't proc fav assume she doesn't

[ebon glacier]

Not to mention don't have another fav for faruzan

The only viable option is aimed shot

[ebon glacier]

In the kqm site it was written 7 so that's why I took 6 as a lower margin

This is what I got now

I still don't get why is Bennett's er that high

[native crest]

read closely

only 4 generate particle

[ebon glacier]

my bad didn't read it properly then

[native crest]

solo pyro only 1 skill

also faruzan isn't using fav for some reason

[ebon glacier]

Don't have a fav for her

The only fav I have is r3 that's on yelan

[native crest]

then you shouldn't use this team

because to make er work you'll be extending rotation by quite a bit

all the time

[ebon glacier]

Which won't be worth it?

So whom should I try to build next?

Would cyno be a good option?

[native crest]

one moment let me check

you don't have baizhu right?

build cyno if you like him but not if you're short on resources and don't care about him

yelan isn't built?

build yelan

[ebon glacier]

Yelan build almost done

She is lvl 87 rn(soon 90) with 8/8/9

Should I crown her burst?

[native crest]

if you are not short on resources

if you are don't do it

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[native crest]

chev can be a decent build for when you need overload (rare)

if you plan on bulding ayaka or wrio build charlotte

or have her as a healer for thoma team

[ebon glacier]

Burgeon Thoma?

[native crest]

yes

esp with furina

then after that you can decide how you want to pull in natlan and make plans

[ebon glacier]

But then the problem would be burn vaping a lot with furina small hydro application?

[ebon glacier]

Ok so just another question which artifact domain you think I should do for now cause I am completely confused I that

[native crest]

the new one

and strongbox the rest

as long as you plan on building any natlan characters farm the new one

[ebon glacier]

Yeah it would make building new characters easy

Also since I am not able to use faruzan without fav can I like build wanderer and xiao for like IT or like when I can share fav with yelan?

And is it worth changing proto spear with fav for yunjin if she can't reliably proc fav passive?

[native crest]

if you don't have fav build triple anemo

faruzan kazuha bennett wanderer

[native crest]

depedns on team, but mostly no

[ebon glacier]

I was thinking anemo traveller since he can also do the anemo shred

[native crest]

kazuha

[ebon glacier]

Btw what's if I change Bennett with zhongli would it improve the er?

[native crest]

it can make yunjin's er slightly easier but likely not enough without 2 fav lances in the team (zhongli and yunjin)

[ebon glacier]

So the only good option is to get a fav for faruzan

Also what's her build?

[native crest]

fav for everyone

[native crest]

kqm guide

anemo subdps

[ebon glacier]

So 2pc+2pc?

[ebon glacier]

Wait zhongli also need fav?

[ebon glacier]

This one right?

[native crest]

3 fav in faruzan wanderer team

[native crest]

give her tenacity

[native crest]

no

this is main dps (she's on field doing charged shots

tenacity er/anemo/crit

[ebon glacier]

4pc tenacity one

Got it

[ebon glacier]

What do you think of this raiden build?

[native crest]

this is fine

[ebon glacier]

One question I was looking at kaveh kit and would kaveh be the best hyperbloom driver for nilou bloom since bloom DMG heals him and he can also increase the bloom DMG along with nilou?

[native crest]

he's a decent tanking bloom (hyperbloom being a typo?) driver for nilou bloom but he won't heal teammates

[ebon glacier]

Sorry bloom

[native crest]

his bloom dmg increase buffs only himself and he triggers only a small number of blooms

[ebon glacier]

I was thinking of use him as an on field

Something like nilou xingqui yelan and kaveh

[native crest]

remember nilou turns the dendro cores into bountiful dendro cores and kaveh cannot affect t hose

[ebon glacier]

Oh then it's useless

[native crest]

but he's just a self healing dendro application and his role in nilou team is just that

nothing more

you can give him deepwood or clam set

wait one moment let me check

[native crest]

wait sorry zeo I remembered completely wrong

bountiful cores are buffed (and can be detonated) by kaveh BUT the buff is very very small

kaveh detonating all the cores at the same time can work against nilou if too many detonate at the same time overcapping the damage sequence limit for bloom damage (2 per half second per enemy per character)

[ebon glacier]

Bloom has an ICD?

[native crest]

damage sequence "icd" yes

the term is damage sequence and you can read about it by googling that term precisely

[ebon glacier]

Will do that for sure

[ebon glacier]

If the buff is very small also there is DMG sequence limit then kaveh won't be very good for nilou bloom

[native crest]

no kaveh is fine and comfortable

nilou team ultimately isn't super picky about dendro hydro options currently

but is kaveh a high priority or must have for nilou team...probably not

[ebon glacier]

I see

Also I got c6 gaming is he worth building now?

[native crest]

yes

he works really well in environment suitable to him (ideally able to stay on bennett circle)

such as second half floor 12

[ebon glacier]

How much er does ganyu need on 4pc bs?

[ebon glacier]

@native crest

[native crest]

depends on team ideally no more than 130

[ebon glacier]

Currently it would be ganyu Charlotte furina kaz but in a longer run am aiming at ganyu ayaka kokomi and kaz

[native crest]

if you're running candace furina then keep ganyu on emblem

[ebon glacier]

Sorry Charlotte and not camdace

[ebon glacier]

And for ayaka?

[native crest]

about 120 is enough

don't need more

you can get to 130 for when you use different teams

[ebon glacier]

This is for ganyu right

[native crest]

yes

[ebon glacier]

And ayaka?

[native crest]

is kazuha using fav

[ebon glacier]

Yes cause I was told that changing fav to iron sting won't be any big upgrade

[native crest]

if you're just quickswapping without feeding particles to ayaka give her 140 without amenoma

if you use amenoma, 0

[ebon glacier]

Anemona r5

[native crest]

yeah 0

[ebon glacier]

Also assuming if I am using a team like ayaka Charlotte furina and kazuha as well?

[native crest]

with kazuha on fav ganyu can get by with barely any ER, 105~110

[ebon glacier]

That would require me to feed particles which I doubt I would be able to do consistently

[native crest]

ayaka 105ish assuming charlotte is also on fav

[ebon glacier]

That's assuming Charlotte particles fed to ayaka?

[native crest]

yes

well depends

[ebon glacier]

What if it's a quickswap team where particles aren't fed?

Or isn't much reliable

[native crest]

charlotte particles is currently distributed based on field time but in a rotation you'd go furina charlotte kazuha ayaka

[native crest]

this is quick swap calculation

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[native crest]

actually

all variations of ayaka teams

you may want to erc yourself as a way to learn erc

it's a fairly easy set up

you don't have to look up many things in guidse

[ebon glacier]

Well the rotation I had in mind was Charlotte e furina e q kaz eq Charlotte q ayaka/ganyu qe

[native crest]

by the time you swap to kazuha your cryo could be gone

[ebon glacier]

Won't frozen increase the duration of cryo aura

[native crest]

you get twice the duration of whatever charlotte E remained

one moment I can look up charlotte E gauge

(but freeze duration, is reduced by enemy freeze resistance

ah ok you'll likely still have cryo aura

but you'll also have very long rotations

[native crest]

just do furina eq charlotte eq kazuha eq ayaka eq ca then refresh kazuha and ayaka until you can start from the beginning

when you do it this way your subsequent rotations will have cryo from ayaka e and dashes

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[ebon glacier]

How much energy does amenoma provides at r5?

Also do I need to like cast 3 skills before using burst on the first rotation with ayaka for the passive?

[native crest]

12 per skill use

for ayaka that's typically 24 per rotation

[native crest]

no

[ebon glacier]

This is what I got then

[native crest]

kazuha has 2 fav triggers

[ebon glacier]

R3 fav

[native crest]

and ayaka has 2 skill use and 2 amenoma passive (24 energy

[ebon glacier]

But in the first rotation she can get a max of 1 seed

[native crest]

that's still 2 triggers in an ayaka team typically

[ebon glacier]

Ok

[native crest]

2

[ebon glacier]

Oh btw my ayaka is c1 so would it allow me to do more e since it's cd reduces with na/ca

[native crest]

she uses eq first rotation and E once during battery phase and the NEXT rotation she has an EQ meaning 2 stack passive by the time she uses burst again

[native crest]

not in anyway that's significant

she doesn't do that many ca na for it to feel distinctly different

she's slow

[ebon glacier]

So this then?

[native crest]

yup

I'd give charlotte fav just ot make the team feel easier

but at these er thresholds she doesn't have to hold fav

[ebon glacier]

I made her hold oathsworn for more atk%

[ebon glacier]

Btw gella can you tell me how can I learn how to use gsim or whatever it's called

[native crest]

do you have any experience understanding code?

if so the easiest way to start is by copying and modifying config files from published simulations (in the team db)

if you don't have experience reading code at all the learning curve might be a little steep

[ebon glacier]

I need to learn coding to use that?

[native crest]

config file is basically coding, even though it's simple

https://gcsim.app/db/KD88rWPfnDkh#tab=config

refer to this

this is the config file for this team

when you are "using" gcsim you have to write/copy/modify a coherent config file

that sets up the team, weapon, stats, enemy stats, your distance, your rotations etc

you may want to try to load your own characters into gcsim and use a ready made config file

to get a feeling of what using gcsim involves

https://docs.gcsim.app/guides/building_a_simulation_basic_tutorial

[ebon glacier]

This is way too tough

[native crest]

that's a valid reaction. it's not for everyone. If you're still interested I recommend taking baby steps such as finding a team you already play that someone else has simulated, and copying your characters into it

[ebon glacier]

Tbh just seeing that tutorial has me like what on earth is going on here

Plus the fact that I am not from a CS background

Although I still might want to try doing it once

But not entirely sure now

[native crest]

do you still have your inventory scan .json

you can upload it to gcsim

and start inserting your characters into published sims

[ebon glacier]

I have it

[ebon glacier]

Although am not on pc rn

[native crest]

you don't need to be on pc, you just need the file

https://gcsim.app/simulator

go to this link, click tool at the bottom and "import from GO"

[ebon glacier]

Pls don't tell me I need to write this entire code on my own

[native crest]

you don't

let me know once you've imported

[ebon glacier]

This is what I am getting

What should I do now

[native crest]

past your .json into it

paste the content of the .json file into it
ctrl a
ctrl c
ctrl v

[ebon glacier]

So I think I did that but now I am getting this error

[native crest]

normal, because you don't have code inside

click this link:

https://gcsim.app/db/8cHnCD6GC7Qj

this is a published international simulation, click "send to simulator" from the upper right

this copies all the code into the window you were just at. now you can insert your own characters:

delete all the pre-programmed characters

[ebon glacier]

Do you happen to have code of some other team

[native crest]

https://simpact.app/

[ebon glacier]

Cause here my childe isn't on any set on optimiser sonehow

[native crest]

yes, browse teams here

[ebon glacier]

Done

Now

[native crest]

did you click "send to simulator"?

and replaced their characters with your own

[ebon glacier]

I did

Yup

[native crest]

ok click run

[ebon glacier]

I don't get it how am I deficient in er?

[native crest]

it could just be deficient for the sim, because the sim can be assuming different things than erc calculation

[ebon glacier]

Done now

[native crest]

then you just simulated your own team

bugs and all

the next step would be making the bugs disappear but this will require you to know how to edit the config file...it may be too big of a step right now

[ebon glacier]

Bugs as in?

[native crest]

er isues, character swap issues

all the orange text at the top of a sim

[ebon glacier]

Oh yeah since here the team rotation were predecided

Btw is there some doc that could tell me what all these graphs mean?

[native crest]

what graph are you trying to understand?

[ebon glacier]

These ones

[native crest]

cumulative damage is just damage added up over time. so you can see where the jumps in damage ar (that's your front loaded damage)

[ebon glacier]

I also don't get it how come raiden is doing the max dps but the max elemental dps is Pyro?

[native crest]

click the share button on your sim and share me the link

that way I can look at the whole graph

[ebon glacier]

https://gcsim.app/sh/zcwHWpqjdgzK

[native crest]

raiden is not doing max dps, she's doing 31% of team damage and electro in the next graph is shown doing 31% of team damage

[ebon glacier]

Maybe I saw it wrong then

[native crest]

these intervals are your rotations. Due to ER issues the subsequent rotations are wonky. When you fix the simulation all of the subsequent rotations should resemble the first 2

this is a decent way to estimate rotation length for your other calculations, for example erc

but if you're pulling rotation length data from someone else's simulation you kind of want to be able to read what rotation they inputed in config to see if it is realisitic for what you want

https://gcsim.app/db/8cHnCD6GC7Qj

you can look at a properly created sim

and look at the damage timeline

the rotations should more or less resemble each other

unless you're adapting rotation on the fly

[ebon glacier]

Well there is something called swap delay and iteration something they I have no idea about

[native crest]

iteration is how many sim you do (statistics thing)

swap delay is a proxy for ping

[ebon glacier]

Here also the graph is wonky

[native crest]

much less so

[ebon glacier]

It is less but why is it wonky if here the energy problems or other bugs don't exists

[native crest]

there are still some swap delay issues here

you can try to code it out

but this is good enough for dps estimates

[ebon glacier]

So for further progress of gcsim I need to learn to code?

[native crest]

you just need to learn how the config file works

but yes

[ebon glacier]

Any YouTube vedio for that?

[native crest]

not so much

you learn through the documentation tab

and from editing sims

[ebon glacier]

Documentation what?

[ebon glacier]

Well this guide will work

Thanks a lot for your help gella

Might contact you if I don't understand something in it

[native crest]

sure

[ebon glacier]

It's kinich a good option to pull off you don't have emily?

Also would xilonen be better for the overall account of mine of kinich

[native crest]

skip

[ebon glacier]

And this?

[native crest]

instead of kinich? yes

[ebon glacier]

No I mean overall

[native crest]

decent for your account

[ebon glacier]

How are these two builds?

[native crest]

Both look good

Gibg likely can get a better gob

Oh Wait not finished

Good luck on rolls

[ebon glacier]

Thanks

[ebon glacier]

So when like looking through artifacts to create space I don't get how I should proceed now

Currently most of the pieces I have are either 3 liners(hence the chance of them actually turning into double crit) or pieces with good substats

Also while creating space for artifacts how much space is considered as good?

Not to mention that I think I have accumulated a lot of em

Up till now I was hoarding em pieces without any thought so do you think I should get picky with em pieces or just hoard them whatever they are?

Also during a strongbox session how many artifacts do you usually strongbox?

[native crest]

I have 3 spaces left

so this is mostly up to you how strict you want to be

[ebon glacier]

But that means you next domain run will make it necessary to strongbox

[native crest]

Yes

Usually i reduce the 5 star artifact by 1 or 2 per run and keep the space left at 3 or so and do several runs per stronbox

[ebon glacier]

What does that mean?

[native crest]

Raise and feed some

[ebon glacier]

You look through the entire 1800 to remove just a single one?

[native crest]

Yes

Sort smartly

It's fast

[ebon glacier]

Usually it takes me 30 minutes or so just to look through 100 or so artifacts

How do you sort smartly

Also what do you mean by several runs per strongbox

Also it just occurred to me that we can convert artifacts to exp from this version only so how did you got the exp to lvl artifacts if you only have space for 3 artifacts

[native crest]

When you stick with a system long enough you know where your fodderable artifacts are

[native crest]

You go above 1800 if you have 3 spaces left and the domain gives you 8 artifacts

[ebon glacier]

So it will just take time for me then?

[ebon glacier]

So you just feed the fodder into the artifacts everyday then?

Also just a small request
Can you pls record and send me the vedio of how you sort smartly next time you sort your artifacts for strongboxing

It maybe be just a single one but it can help me understand how you do it

[native crest]

I just know where my newest additions are (currently stronboxed pieces like emblem or support sets, recently farmed domains like deepwood and marechausee and cinder, passively gotten glass at and instructor)

And because i systematically go through all my farmed sets i know what the sands gob and.circlet situation in other sets are and only comb through flowers and.feathers most.of.the time, do other mainstats like once.a month

Your acct is where my acct was a year or two ago where you have hundreds of spaces left and not very many,built characters. At this point just keep farming. Comb your acct every week or 2 weeks and sort your actively acquiring sets by main and substat in every location

[ebon glacier]

Ok so like if you remove like 1-2 arts per round how do you strongbox then

Cause even one strongbox will need 3 artifacts

[native crest]

zeo when you have 3 spaces left and get 1~2 new 5star and however many 4star

you strongbox when the 1~2 new 5star makes 3 artifacts with artifacts you already have to strongbox

[ebon glacier]

However many 4*?

Meaning 4* don't take up space?

[native crest]

they do but when a domain give you artifacts you can go from under the limit to over

as long as you have space even if it's 1 space you can claim domain rewards even if it's 10 artifacts reward

you have 3 spaces left, you can claim a domain reward of 10 artifacts

you have 0 space left, you cannot even pick up a single artifact

that's how the limit works

[ebon glacier]

Oh

I didn't knew that

[native crest]

it can get annoying when you have to teleport back and forth to fodder but it mostly means having 300 spaces left and having 20 spaces left feels not very different

it's when you're down to 10 or single digit spaces that things get annoying

but, to develop a sense of where you have good artifacts and where you can fodder, you want to comb your artifacts by set and mainstat and character every 2 weeks or so at your stage and develop some mental map

[ebon glacier]

[ebon glacier]

So I was using the optimiser for optimising the builds and this is what I came up with

The Akasha ones are old and the enka ones are new

So you think that it's an upgrade or a downgrade

??

Also this can be considered as a practice of me using the optimiser so did I do it right?

[native crest]

I am out right now the builds look fine at a glance but i need to get home and check on optimizer myself to have thoughts. Mostly whether you did 'optimizer right' is whether you are accurate enough to yourbsatisfaction. The tool will always spit out builds but your set up determines howbaccurate you are. Keqing agg uses multi target ideally. If you used that she's likely fine. Xiangling either uses multi target with assumptions that she doesn't vape every hit or you approximate by just using a single pyronado damage to optimize.

[ebon glacier]

Sure you can look at it when you get home and then tell me about it

Cause I am sure I haven't built keqing till now(must be raiden)

[ebon glacier]

Did you checked?

[native crest]

OH WAIT

I thought you did keqing

it's raiden

nm

did raiden's after excluding pieces on yelan and ganyu raiden's current build is her best

assuming raiden national

but builds are close enough to what you have that yours are probably fine

you probably input diff team/assumptions

[ebon glacier]

No team just put simple limits like er and cr cd

For xiangling em also

Since on catch

[ebon glacier]

You can use ganyu pieces since ganyu is no longer on eosf

Even yelan ones were probably raidens at a point

I didn't knew how to optimise all the characters who needed eosf together so I did it individually and then choose the suggested build that had the least conflicts

[ebon glacier]

Also I have actually moved artifacts to create those builds

That's why I am asking if they are good or not

[native crest]

then this is raiden national's best

but they're all close enough to your builds that you're fine

[ebon glacier]

Isn't the cr on the lesser side

It isn't the 1:2

[native crest]

that's generally how it goes with raiden

your average best may not be 1:2

[ebon glacier]

Would it be possible to compare it with the build I currently have?

This one

[native crest]

which one is your current

enka or aka