No problem

[timid zenith]

Have never fought that anemo serpent honestly

[teal garden]

consider tighnari if you want more teams for the boss side and put your strong team (navia maybe) on the mob side

[timid zenith]

You see the chasm serpent was the reason I was so afraid of floor 12 of the abyss

[teal garden]

it is annoyingly stalling, it's true

[timid zenith]

Not kidding the first time I tried floor 12 was when he came out

And boy was it terrible

[teal garden]

once your characters are built to a high lvl you'll be ok esp when it's in chamber 1

is your ganyu built?

[timid zenith]

Don't know

Wait let me see

[teal garden]

ayaka ganyu jean furina could also be a bossing team esp against large bodied bosses which is all of them in 4.4

and that leaves you bennett zhongli and hyperbloom all pretty flexible

[timid zenith]

Wait wouldn't that be two dps in the same team?

Also why use a permafreeze team when bosses can't be frozen

[timid zenith]

That's actually the problem the hyperbloom team is only able to do about 28-31k per hyperbloom however it is pretty much limited by my skill issues and the fact that I am unable to neither constantly trigger bloom nor hyperbloom for its full DMG potential

That's why even though it gets the job done it does require a considerable amount of time

[teal garden]

they can't be frozen but the team has enough dps and buffs to do well, also ganyu's burst lands a lot of hits on large body bosses

she can also shoot the boss down in chamber 2 and 3

and since you already have some investment on them it will take less work to get them ready than raising a character nearly from scratch

[timid zenith]

I seriously don't know if it's good or bad

This was my ganyu build

[teal garden]

this is an inprogress melt build

[timid zenith]

Yeah I was thinking of using her as melt but it just had one problem
How do I get the Pyro aura on the enemies

[teal garden]

you can use her in a xiangling bennett team with this build but won't do that well with ayaka. You can yank an emblem piece off someone you're not using for ayaka ganyu furina tho

[teal garden]

xiangling bennett

and if you take xiangling bennett it leaves you not as many options on the other side

[timid zenith]

Xiangling pyronado has pretty short aoe and guoba well we all know about how bad he is

[teal garden]

that's how it is with melt ganyu without nahida

you stand in face tank distance from enemy and shoot

[timid zenith]

Yeah I was thinking of giving this set to tighnari

It can be used decently by him

What do you think

So I should build both ganyu and ayaka with bs?

[teal garden]

the issue with tighnari team is you currently don't have nahida or yae

so tighnari team is going to be missing a subdps

[timid zenith]

I would get nahida in 4.4

[teal garden]

it doesn't sound like you have bs sets right now right? just keep strongboxing emblem and give them both emblem if you play that team

[timid zenith]

I am not strongboxing anything atm

[teal garden]

do you have pieces to strongbox?

you've been hoarding for a little while

if you don't have enough emblem to kit out ayaka ganyu then just swap ganyu to er sands in an emergency

[timid zenith]

I just had way too much space so I thought why not just horde artifacts till I have storage issues like you said

[teal garden]

ok gimme a sec to look at your roster once more

we're going off current 4.4 abyss rumors of waves of enemies first side and the 3 bosses second

[timid zenith]

Oh and another thing I was able to complete the abyss

However it was just by 2 sec though

[teal garden]

good first side teams:
sucrose beidou fischl xingqiu/yaoyao
raiden national
navia geo xiangling bennett
xingqiu dendro kuki fischl
ayaka/ganyu freeze team if you can group the enemies with kazuha
cyno and razor wouldn't be that great against wave content.

good second half teams:
fischl national
navia bennett fischl albedo
ayaka ganyu furina jean
tighnari nahida fischl zhongli
hyperbloom + fischl

[teal garden]

congrats, a clear is a clear

if you don't have a lot of artifact right now you don't really have the artifact to be raising new characters unless there is a mechanical advantage to them

and you're currently already working on units with the most mechanical advantage in your teams

I wouldn't really branch out unless there is a clear need

[timid zenith]

Ok

So like since I am currently farming GT for furina and fischl I wanted to ask which all characters in my roster can use marachusset hunter

That way I can save some reisins I guess

[teal garden]

the onfielder in a burgeon team or a character you're definitely using with furina

ayaka can use them if she's your primary onfielder in a furina team

wriothesley too

xiao can also use it if you don't have him built

[timid zenith]

I guess I can level up wriothsely then after I complete navia ascension

Another thing since xiao is gonna be in 4.4 banners does it mean that 4.4 abyss would be tailor made for him

Like this abyss is for navia

Or it it that for cloud retainer

[teal garden]

so still going by the latest abyss rumor (which can change)

we have heal based shockwaves first abyss, dmg bonus based on plunging hits second abyss, and shockwave based on plunging hits third wave

so xiao can benefit conditionally

currently it is easy for xiao to move out of bennett circle so first abyss you may not get the shockwave (you need to get healed 16 times)

second abyss you just need to land plunging attacks and xiao will benefit slightly (he already has a lot of dmg bonus)

third wave you also just need to land plunging hits for shockwave

[timid zenith]

This is my xiao team I honestly don't know if I would call it built or not cause of absolutely 0 er

[teal garden]

do you have c6 faruzan

if not, this is by far not enough er

[timid zenith]

Faruzan at c3

Usually use her with Jean on fav

[teal garden]

not even then

[timid zenith]

Then how much do I need

[teal garden]

is jean c4?

are you using xiao with furina?

[timid zenith]

C0

[timid zenith]

No it would be disastrous

My xiao already has poor survivability

With furina I can die In a sec

[teal garden]

who is the fourth character

[timid zenith]

I usually use xiao Jean zhongli and albedo

[teal garden]

drop jean for sucrose

[timid zenith]

All em built for sucrose I guess?

[teal garden]

no you can build sucrose with noblesse and er/anything/anything with ttds

sucrose burst ee -> xiao eeq (catching sucrose and his own particles)

[timid zenith]

Also forgot to mention that zhongli also runs fav

[teal garden]

zhongli already has fav in calc

[timid zenith]

Also is this the er calculator thingy that almost every guide says to use to customise your er needs

[teal garden]

yup!

[timid zenith]

Which means I should try for about 150% er

[teal garden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit#gid=613391376

here's the link

[teal garden]

well no 130 or a little more would be ok

this team having fav zhongli means your extension is just extended by fav cooldown of 6sec if youre short energy a little bit

[timid zenith]

What does it even mean

I am not good at tc

[teal garden]

ah ok you know how fav lance has a cooldown of 6sec for the passive?

[timid zenith]

Yes

[teal garden]

so if you're done with your rotation of:
zhongli hold E -> albedo E -> Sucrose (Q)EE -> Xiao EE and you find you're short a little energy and xiao can't Q, you'd just swap to zhongli to nromal attack until you see white particles and swap to xiao to catch it

this would lengthen your rotation by like 2 seconds only

[timid zenith]

Also a small request
If I want to learn tc in genshin how can I do that

Like from where should I start

[teal garden]

but if your'e short a lot of energy then you can keep batterying which potentially means waiting 6sec for fav to be ready for more particles

[teal garden]

so TC has several meanings, if you just mean learning to do the calculations that people do in the theorycrafting channels and in the help chat, you can get started right away. You're already kind of doing that by learning how kits work, how reactions work, and learning about energy recharge calculator and optimizer

but if you mean being a contributor to the guides published in wfp and kqm, then you have to apply for a tc role, receive training in workflow and tools, and be ok with both receiving training and self-directed learning

but there's a lot of training available with tc-role so you can also get started right away and learn on the job

[timid zenith]

From where can I apply it

Although I doubt I will be selected due to how less info I have

[teal garden]

I'm not sure let me ask and get back to you?

[timid zenith]

Sure

I guess

[teal garden]

#・applications message

[timid zenith]

Thanks

Also another question if like I apply for the role of a helper and get selected does that mean I won't be able to get your help anymore

[teal garden]

no you'll always get my help

helpers help each other out all the time

in private or in public in the chat

[timid zenith]

So it isn't like I have to be all knowing to get the helper role?

[teal garden]

well there is a knowledge threshold to helper role because unlike TC where you're dealing with other people who are knowledgeable about the game, helpers deal with the genshin community directly. So we want people who at least know when they dont' know something so that we minimize misinfo to the public

[timid zenith]

Got it

[teal garden]

hey zeo if you're interested in tc you can look at this doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pXtVldgZQmi6lAsP0_UckSRYcSBHNFRbwfhcufk2RCg/edit#heading=h.h2csfnxkxdi

this is specifically a proposed training curriculum for learning game mechanics

it is something like a course and you can see what sorts of topics are covered

[timid zenith]

Thanks a lot

[timid zenith]

One question since I am using xiao with pjws should I go for marachusset hunter on him since I am doing the domain anyway

Or would the vermilion domain be a better choice for him

[timid zenith]

Although I suppose the domain won't be that reisin efficient

[timid zenith]

Also another question do I need yoimiya and cheveruse?

[teal garden]

There is very little yoimi6a can do than yanfei can't. Chevreuse, it is currently thought that she has sime nice teams with bennet but you already have nice teams with bennet and in fact he is usually busy in abyss already. Whether she will become more useful with future characters we dont know

[teal garden]

That domain isnt very efficient no and xiao can use marechaussee or 2+2, it is up to you whether you want to minmax xiao but if you still want to keep the strategy of doing abyss on a budget i would maybe still just farm marechausee strongbox for emblem

It seems you can 36star abyss now with some resets

So you are moving into a period of freedom

[timid zenith]

It is actually a lot of resets

Also a lot of team changing

But yeah you are right

At least I am not losing primos to the abyss

[timid zenith]

Does kuki takes benefit from the passive of the event umbrella weapon in a hyperbloom team since it's a reaction team or it just increases her own personal DMG

[teal garden]

personal damage

[timid zenith]

So wouldn't iron sting be better on her since it increases all DMG?

I don't know if it includes reactions as well or not though

[teal garden]

her personal damage is so low it doesn't actually matter

even when you put her on iron sting it isn't worth refining it

dmg buff doesn't affect hyperbloom damage

if that's what you meant by "all damage", then it's not all damage

the difference between iron sting and umbrella is single target personal damage vs potentially aoe personal damage

[timid zenith]

So in short both are equally useful as em swords

[teal garden]

yup

[timid zenith]

Also I was thinking that since I am suffering from mora and books should I do ley lines or I should just stick to getting them from non reisin means

[teal garden]

if you get leyline overflow it can be worth it (mostly mora over exp books)

when you're pinched for resources I tend to suggest sticking with things you HAVE to use resin for

mora and exp books you get through chests, quests, events, battle pass (even f2p)

but artifacts you can't get without resin

talent books come sometimes on events but mostly need resin

buy mora in teapot instead of artifact exp when you're pinched for resources

[timid zenith]

I was currently using Teapot money for Fontaine furniture

The one that came just in 4.3

And that one reisin you can get

[teal garden]

yeah that's fine, you still have enough teapot money to get mora sometimes

[timid zenith]

Ok

Thanks

[timid zenith]

Which weapon should I use for wriothsely build

[teal garden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YGaDBgqcvBpb-BWadJyoPycg1Ql5OmR4Z5PcFg5cmm4/edit#gid=469799820

his wepaon priority changes depending on team buffs

[timid zenith]

It looks like in both melt and freeze teams he prefers flying purity over widsith

So does it mean I should try for a r5 flying purity

Also I was thinking if it would be possible for me to actually try and get the 4pc new artifact set for navia since she is currently my heighest DMG dealer

[teal garden]

since you can clear abyss you can decide to farm that domain for her

it still remains a resin inefficient domain

[timid zenith]

Yeah cause the other artifact is useless I guess

[timid zenith]

So regarding this does it mean that flowing purity is the best f2p weapon for him?

Cause it was showing more numbers than widsith

Although I wasn't able to understand all the other assumptions that were given

Can you pls explain them

[teal garden]

one moment

I'm assuming this is with flowing purity passive

which means: playing with a healer most likely

ASSUMPTION: KQMS, BLACKCLIFF AGATE NO PASSIVE, N5N3C N5N1[Q/N3]C FOR c0, 3N5C FOR C1

these?

kqms is the standard you use for artifact quality

blackcliff agate no passive means blackcliff agate is calculated without weapon passive (standard for handling blackcliff wepaon but should be clearly stated)

after that are c0 and c1 combos used for calculations

hm in melt teams widsith has the potential to outperform purity

but purity's fine

the're essentially the same

[timid zenith]

What does kqms stand for

[teal garden]

keqingmain standard

[timid zenith]

Also the priority order for navia talents is skill na and burst right

[teal garden]

roughly yes

[timid zenith]

Kqm has standards for artifacts?

[teal garden]

yes

you have to standardize artifact quality for calculations

[timid zenith]

Calculations aren't done by actual character testing?

Cause unless it's character trial standards I don't understand how would two people get same stats on artifacts

[teal garden]

it isn't trial (in game) standard

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_UpwP0VziHehZVwdsD74wYuWD9pdSAknNVzs30U4vFE/edit

[timid zenith]

I see

So it's very much like the scientific calculation standards type

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

How is my furina build?

Can I call it complete now??

Also how about my xingqui build

[teal garden]

furina is fine for most things (ER)

xingqiu pretty good

[timid zenith]

I need more er?

[teal garden]

no fine for most teams

but sometimes you may lack ER if solo hydro in a selfish carry team without enough fav users

you can easily sove that by swiching her to fav when you need extra energy

[timid zenith]

Ok

Got it

[timid zenith]

Can I build yanfei on a 4pc shime?

Or does she needs cwof

[teal garden]

if you are playing her as a selfish onfield carry then you want to use her burst so that it buffs her CA and gains her seals

[timid zenith]

So shime won't be that good then

[teal garden]

but I wouldn't sweat 4pc crimson, her 2p2p combos are only a little bit behind 4pc crimson and you can use any combo of pyro/atk/em sets

[timid zenith]

In 2pc which 2 sets I should go for

Wanderer+ glad/shime or glad+shime or something else

[teal garden]

https://keqingmains.com/yanfei/#Vaporize_Yanfei-2

difference is small enough that you don't have to care that much or simply pick the best substat ones

or just give her leftovers of whatever 2+2 you can do after other characters are built

[timid zenith]

How is this one??

I am not sure about the er

Is it ok?

[teal garden]

you may want to go higher ER

go towards 130 or so

you're bursting every 3 rotations now

otherwise, looks good

[timid zenith]

How about this one

[teal garden]

great!

[timid zenith]

How much should her talents be?

Also how good would childe be for the next abyss

Since I just realised that I have some pretty good artifacts for childe and I think that the domain would also be resin efficient since I can get bs for ganyu and ayaka

[teal garden]

normal > skill > burst

esp since you're using burst every other rot or so

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

childe xiangling kazuha bennett can do first half but be careful about some of the enemies melee attacks

childe has to be melee range during xiangling's burst and the fontaine mek enemies have spinning attacks when you're melee

you can dodge through them and you can also use an international technique during dodge to make xiangling pyronado vaporize twice

but it's somewhat higher skill requirement

[timid zenith]

But that domain would still be beneficial since I will get bs for the ayaka ganyu team

Right?

[teal garden]

childe doesn't care about having 4pc especially when there's a new sumeru 4pc that he prefers more than hod

[timid zenith]

Which 4pc does he prefers now

[teal garden]

I would mostly strongbox for blizzard only if you want a freeze ganyu build eventually. Ayaka-ganyu team on a budget tho can still just use emblem. I vaguely remember your emblem builds were also in progress

[timid zenith]

Yes

[teal garden]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Nymph's_Dream

[teal garden]

unless you already have blizzard pieces that are pretty good on ayaka and ganyu already I would maybe consider strongboxing emblem for a while and using leftover pieces you don't use on xingqiu xiangling raiden (later on yelan etc) on ganyu ayaka

[timid zenith]

It would require me to burst>skill>na for max benifit right

[teal garden]

if you're not going for nymph's dream (resin inefficient for most people without c6 yelan) just go for atk + atk or hydro + NO or any combo of hydro/atk/em/NO on childe. The difference between these sets and 4hod are very small.

[timid zenith]

But I am currently not strongboxing

I still have space for about 800 artifacts or so

[teal garden]

childe E -> Bennett Q -> Kazuha EQ -> Xiangling EQ -> Childe NA QE N3C till cooldown management time/pyronado over

[teal garden]

you have a lot of golden troupe and marechaussee pieces now right?

do you have marechaussee users?

[timid zenith]

I suppose I have some

[timid zenith]

Only wrio and xiao

[teal garden]

ah ok, might as well build wrio with the good pieces

once he's built you can think about who you want to pull/build with marechaussee and start strongboxing some of the really bad pieces

or +4 and feed into your promising +0's

the really bad pieces, just strongbox into emblem

[timid zenith]

Which all can use marachusset btw?

[teal garden]

any unit you relly want to play in a hurry with furina: noelle, xiao, anyone you can shoehorn into a furina team including ayaka and ganyu

lyney, neuvilette

but hutao yanfei etc all can use it as long as they're onfielding and in a furina team

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

Since albedo relies on his skill for DMG which one is better on albedo
Gt or husk

[teal garden]

if you have husk no need to farm gt, if you are already farming gt no need to strongbox husk

the difference between them for E-only albedo is slight

[timid zenith]

Hi so I just got a yoimiya
Can you pls help me how I should build her

[teal garden]

4pc shimenawa or 4pc crimson witch, r5 rust, 0 ER, atk/pyro/crit

teammates:
yelan/xingqiu yunjin zhongli
xingqiu thoma anemo
bennett yunjin zhongli

these can work sometimes but not really yoimiya's primary teams right now
fischl beidou chevreuse/xingqiu
nahida xingqiu fischl

[timid zenith]

She needs 0 er??

Does that mean her burst is useless?

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

But doesn't it has some kind of timed attacking

[teal garden]

in crimson witch you can try to use her burst every rotation for the small buff but in shimenawa you're almost certainly not using her burst every rotation

[teal garden]

sure, not worth it in shimenawa

[timid zenith]

Ok

I will most likely go with shime only since I got a lot while farming for eosf

Btw which is yoimiyas bis artifacts

[teal garden]

shime or crimson

if you have her sig I would suggest going for crimson so that you can manage thundering pulse stacks

but without it just go shime

[timid zenith]

Don't have her sig

Just an r2 rust

Or that sumeru bow

That fishing one

[teal garden]

ah no, that one is cute but not useful for her

just go with rust or slingshot

one moment

since it's r2 you can simply go slingshot r5

but if you plan on staying with rust longterm you can just go with rust now and not have much of a dmg difference

[timid zenith]

Slingshot as in the 3* cr weapon?

[timid zenith]

So that tuna bow is kinda useless?

[teal garden]

yup

when you have rust or slingshot there's no reason to use it

[timid zenith]

Got it

Thanks

[timid zenith]

Can I use a raiden hypercarry team

Like would it be feasible

I have a c6 Sara now

[teal garden]

yeah you can use raiden c0 with this team

you just don't have a damage advantage over raiden national

they tend to be pretty similar

but raiden hyper tends to be slightly harder to play than raiden national

whihc is why it's less recommended at c0. Damage wise it's still comparable to raiden national if you want to play it

at c2 raiden hyper clearly does more damage over raiden national

[timid zenith]

I guess the 60% def shred does make a difference

Also what cr and cd should I aim for yoimiya

[teal garden]

70/140 to start (she ascends with crit) after that do your best

[timid zenith]

She ascends with crit?

Does the first ascension give her crit

Also which crit

[teal garden]

rate yes

[timid zenith]

Then it's perfect

I have gotten some pretty good artifacts for her

Now it's just a question about getting those damed books and weeds

Another question
Do I need hp on her?

[teal garden]

on yoimiya no

[timid zenith]

How is this build btw

About artifacts and all

Am still working on her talents and levels

[teal garden]

looks good

would be useable once raised

[timid zenith]

Yeah and since I will get 19.2 cr from ascension it will be almost near to the 70/140

[timid zenith]

If I want to go with yoimiya xingqui yelan and zhongli how should I build yunjin

Never played her honestly

[teal garden]

4husk or 4noblesse, def/def/def 230ER fav

[timid zenith]

Nobless??

Also how would I get 100 more er from substats alone

[teal garden]

fav and ascension

if you can't reach those goals +2pc emblem or er sands

[timid zenith]

Her ascension is er?

How much er gain in total

[teal garden]

you'll have to google I'm outside rn

[timid zenith]

Sorry

Thanks a lot for the info

[timid zenith]

Do you think this build will work once I level her up to 90

[teal garden]

ER on the low side

you may want to replace pieces without er with ones with ER

and switch to fav

without fav 230 is not enough

[timid zenith]

But even with fav I won't be able to proc it due to low cr

Also fav has low er

Also isn't this double geo?

[teal garden]

without fav switch to 2pc emblem and er sands

you're looking at 280ER

without fav

[timid zenith]

But it was showing it as ok?

[timid zenith]

Also fav is on zhongli

[teal garden]

yoimiya 1 skill

yunjin 1 skill

zhongli miss pillar then 1 fav

xingqiu 2 skills

[timid zenith]

Yunjin 1?

[teal garden]

you don't have enough off time in yoimiya team to do 2 skills

[timid zenith]

But can't I do like eq in the start and then eq the next rotation?

That should fill up the burst

[teal garden]

if you're doing 2 yunjin skill per yoimiya rotation you're extending rotation so long that you're going to lose dps

it's a thing you sometimes have to do in abyss but not a thing you plan your ER around

[timid zenith]

But then I will lose a lot of def

[teal garden]

yup

[timid zenith]

The additional 26% def is a big difference

[teal garden]

yup

it mostly shows that you currently don't have the pieces to use non-fav yunjin and still do full def in husk

do 2pc 2pc and use her hold skill and you may be able to get 250ER in the end

[timid zenith]

Now I will have about 230 er at lvl 90

Still 20 less

Btw how does the team rotations go?

[teal garden]

zhongli hE -> yunjin EQ -> Xingqiu EQE -> Yoimiya E

[timid zenith]

So can't I funnel zhongli e energy into yunjin

Like a battery?

I can obviously switch between fav between zhongli and yunjin but would it be worth it in 20% cr

[teal garden]

you already are

zhongli's fav is caught by yunjin from second rotation onwards

but yes you can do yunjin qe if you think energy is particularly bad

[teal garden]

normal attack on yunjin for white particles before you EQ

or for now just use 2pc or er sands

it is more important to get your bursts back

than it is to max theoretical buffs

[timid zenith]

Understood

Guess I am gonna go back to husk farming

[teal garden]

strongbox for it

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

Can you tell me kind of like a strongboxing criteria

Also should I just auto lock the artifacts and then auto add them or select them mannualy

[teal garden]

I'd save hp/def/atk mainstat pieces that have double crit or er and one of the crits for a while, because we tend to have supports now that want atk/atk/atk or hp/hp/hp etc

save all em pieces in any position

elemental goblets, save all of them for now

crit circlets save them

healing goblets, save some good ones (ER and crit or double crit)

flower and feather is where you use the most judgment and game knowledge

for example in a golden troupe feather with er, atk%, crit rate, and em, I would save it because it's 4 applicable substats for a fischl

save these until your fischl is so well past the point of minmaxing where you'd realistically not get an improvement leveling one of these

the same goes for other sets

if your ayaka has a cdmg weapon, then blizzard pieces have 4 good substats: atk%, both crits, and ER. But if she has a crit rate weapon, then you only get 3 good substats in blizzard

if a piece, esp a flower or feather, is starting with a bunch of flat stats you can just fodder it

[timid zenith]

Suppose if a piece has both crit but the other two are flat what then?

[teal garden]

early in an acct I'd save it

some people foddered them early in genshin but these days they're not bad pieces to hoard for a while

[timid zenith]

Also can I just auto lock and auto add them

[teal garden]

lock pieces as you get them in domains

auto add, where? when foddering or when adding 4* to lvl up 5star

[timid zenith]

I mean the new feature

The one that locks based on the criteria you have

[teal garden]

I dont' use them

because it's not smart enough

I just do each piece as I get them

or as I go through them in strongbox

strongbox habits can be a bit personal but I can show you how I do it

one moment

[timid zenith]

Pls

[teal garden]

keep in mind I'm maybe a little bit biased towards hoarding. I tend to hoard more than othe people who have similar age accts

[timid zenith]

Works in my favour

Since I am am early account I get much benefit from hording anyways

[teal garden]

since I lock all pieces that I know I want to hoard, when I strongbox I'm only looking at a few pieces that I know I won't miss. This makes it easy to look through all of them as you add them to see if you're ok getting rid of them

but usually at the end of a strongboxing session you'll still find some pieces you're iffy about, like a hydro gob with atk and em, which could be potentially useful. So after each strongbox session I do a comb through from the character artifact page

since the iffy artifact is hydro goblet, I filter by hydro goblet and see that ok, I already have some good raised hydro pieces and like 3 double crit hydro piece. So I'm probably ok getting rid of this piece unless there's a set bonus I'm trying to match with it

you do the same thing for every mainstat in every position. A quick comb through will help you get organized very quickly

once you comb through you can unlock a few pieces for strongboxing one last time

you don't have to do this process all the time. Once every couple weeks would be fine when you have room

later on when your inventory gets full, you'll have to do it more frequently towards the middle and later half of a nation patch

[timid zenith]

Can you like give me example pictures of some artifacts that are clearly worthless

[teal garden]

When you're combing through pieces you want to keep in mind total number of good rolls and where crit rate caps can occur. For blizzard and marechaussee hunter where there's definite crit rate caps, if your characters are using crit rate weapons then you'd consider this cdmg circlet a good one to keep (and raise) because it has 2 good substats (hp and er)

that might be a little hard because I strongboxed today

one moment

from this set, since I have farmed this domain since it first came out, I would likely strongbox this piece.

this piece is likely going to be strongboxed soon but if this piece were a feather, strongbox immediately

in a support set tho if a piece has ER or crit rate I'd usually +4 it to see whether it gets crit rate and ER, which is why this piece has been kept

but a lot of tenacity users don't need ER (tenacity kuki) so a double crit without er piece from tenacity could still be free damage for a support character that doesn't contribute a huge ton of damage

...because free damage is nice

[timid zenith]

Yeah the only reason I saved this flower was because of the 3er rolls

[teal garden]

the point to hoarding is get a bunch of +4 that you can comb through to prioritize whether to +8, and doing so in an organized way means you're not wasting exp +20'ing or scrapping pieces that could be useful later on

yeah double digit ER + crit rate for a support piece is pretty good

the advantage to hoarding is when you want to raise a character for fun or for emergencies you have a bunch of pieces lying around that are already +20 or that you already have prioritized through your +4 and +8's so you have a ranked sort in your acct of pieces that will roll well

as an example, faruzan is raised from hoarded pieces

[timid zenith]

300 er??

That's crazy

If you don't mind can I see her complete build pls

[teal garden]

I also have zhongli, yunjin, jean, mona, klee, shieldfei, kujou, yaoyao, kaveh and qiqi on hoarded pieces that rolled enough er and crits

she has lvl 90 fav, c2, and no set bonus

...but for supports, this is fine

and whatever crits you can get is free dmg you know what I mean?

it also means you're only spending resin on their boss and talent mats when you need/want to raise someone

is that what you mean with build

[timid zenith]

I understand

[teal garden]

faruzan is a special case (and I'm clearly proud of being able to get her enough ER to not need triple anemo) but you don't need this much er rolls for the vast majority of characters you have put on a backburner but maybe want to build

we can talk about faruzan's circlet, a crit rate circlet with stats that are not considered that useful in a shimenawa set.

I originally hoarded it because I was thinking about pulling hutao, and raised the piece because I needed a 2pc shimenawa that would make up for ER in some character. It isn't a piece that rolled well for a dps but you'd keep an crit rate circlet with this much ER due the sheer amt of fav users you have in this game

you can do some quick math

fav weapons give you 30, 45, 60ER, and you can divide the ER you need by 5 to see that double digit ER rolls are really valuable even if it's like, 12~15%

[timid zenith]

Ok so I just recently scrapped a a bs cd circlet cause it had 3 flat and em

[teal garden]

anything above that, worth keeping around

[timid zenith]

Did I do it right

[teal garden]

you can be a bit harsher with CD circlets but 4pc blizzard strayer users prefer cd over cr

2pc blizzard users can use cd

I still tend to keep cd pieces around until I know I don't need it in the set anymore. When that happens kind of depends on your plans: how is the ayaka/ganyu builds coming along?

if blizzard is happening slowly just use the bad cd piece so you have ganyu/ayaka up and running. Alternately you can strongbox for emblem instead and put them on emblem until you can afford to strongbox blizzard

[timid zenith]

Well I honestly think that a rainbow set with good stats is better than a 4pc with bad stats
That's why I am kinda harsh with poor artifacts sometimes

Should I change this

Also I am gonna ask your advise for some artifacts that I won't understand what to do with them

Hope that's fine

[teal garden]

well, this is true

true for a good long time in the beginning of the acct

towards the middle you're getting enough decent artifacts that 2pc and 4pc bonus will put a set ahead of rainbow builds with similar substats

and then very late in the game if you're generally hoarding, you eventually have rainbow builds that clear abyss comfortably enough that you don't need to bother with bis sets for a lot of characters

[timid zenith]

Hmm

Artifact scrapping criteria is a lot of hard work

[teal garden]

it benefits from knowing teams and builds

and as you get more familiar with teams and builds it will get easier and you'll develop your own style of doing it

[timid zenith]

Guess I would start it from today then

I have a lot of artifacts to see

[teal garden]

good luck

[timid zenith]

Thanks

[timid zenith]

Can you strongbox navias bis artifact set as well??

[teal garden]

no, maybe in snezhnaya patch

[timid zenith]

Guess I will just do her domain and strongbox husk

[timid zenith]

Do you think that it would be enough er now

I will get an additional 13.4 er from ascension as well

I just don't know why but I just don't get any high rolls in er

[teal garden]

with prototype no

with fav, yes with ascension

[timid zenith]

But then I will lose 16 er

[teal garden]

even then it's better to use fav

[timid zenith]

It wouldn't even reach 220 max with ascension

[teal garden]

because you'll be close to 230 (enough) with fav

but without fav the ER is closer to 250 or 280 depending on the situation

[timid zenith]

I don't think I should try for more luck in artifact rolling

Or should i

[teal garden]

go for more

[timid zenith]

So which one I should replace?

[teal garden]

anyone of them

so look through all of the positions to see whether you have promising pieces such as def with crit rate and er and 4 starting substats, or pieces that are only 1~2 rolls away from reaching your goals

[timid zenith]

The problem is that I just don't get enough to er rolld

The maximum er I ever got is just a feather with 4 rolls

[teal garden]

yup, this is why it's a good idea to keep mid to high er roll pieces even if you can't use it now

[timid zenith]

And that's the only one

[teal garden]

switch to 2pc husk 2pc emblem for now then

if you're using yunjin at all

it's much more important to have her burst

otherwise the def you have in the 4pc doesn't matter

[timid zenith]

Wanted to ask if I should fodder these pieces

I just got a piece with 22% er so yeah the 4th piece is useless

[teal garden]

fodder the NO flower, keep the rest for now. If you get good anemo goblets you can fodder the anemo gob

but it has decent em rolls if we ever get an anemo that wants em and crit like c6 kazuha

17% ER in any position just keep

[timid zenith]

And the hat

[teal garden]

circlet keep

you don't have a yunjin build yet

[timid zenith]

It was yunjin but I replaced it with this

It's better at +17 itself

[teal garden]

use this piece

[timid zenith]

Also do you know what I can do to spend 458 mora??

[teal garden]

you can scrap the yunjin piece if you need the exp badly but I usually jsut keep some extra full def builds around

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

do you have a mora bottle neck? if you do just save the mora you have enough time in bp to max it

if you don't have a mora bottle neck there are artifact npc (buy them) and item npc (like ores and cooking ingredients)

[timid zenith]

So I can keep it till I find out what chiori kit is like

[timid zenith]

What's the cost of each artifact

Also tell me their location

[teal garden]

2k

[timid zenith]

I think I might be able to complete one of my aims

[timid zenith]

Too costly

[teal garden]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Shop

[timid zenith]

Anything that can spend exactly 458

[teal garden]

click link

[timid zenith]

It isn't telling about the price

[teal garden]

click into the individual npc to see price

but they're more expensive than artifact

try exploration help

they may know more

[timid zenith]

Another question does Noelle appreciate er?

Like what is her build?

[teal garden]

def/geo/crit with enough ER to get her burst back on cooldown. But because she doesn't lose her burst state when you swap off, you can swap off her in the middle of burst to battery

ER depends on how you play her

gorou-albedo or noelle furina yelan fischl

[timid zenith]

Don't know

I was thinking gorou albedo furina

[teal garden]

you can do that too

[timid zenith]

The triple geo+1

Since Noelle can heal in her bursr

[timid zenith]

So how much er?

[teal garden]

I would recommend putting furina on fav

[timid zenith]

Ok

I can do that

Gorou is also on fav?

He is also 3def husk right

[teal garden]

noblesse

but yes this calc still works for husk gorou

[timid zenith]

So 3 def nobless gorou?

Got it

[teal garden]

yes

for gorou it's noblesse or exile whichever you have on hand easier

if your'e short on energy use exile

it can make furina's energy easier to manage

[timid zenith]

Gorous buff scales off def??

Cause I can't find any mention of it in the kqm guide

[timid zenith]

Which of these artifacts would be better for Bennett?

This is his current build

[teal garden]

doesn't matter

overshoot his ER

save good noblesse pieces for your burst dps

such as when you don't have good 4pc on beidou

[timid zenith]

So giving the feather and sands to Bennett would be a waste

[teal garden]

his current build is already fine and as long as he heals enough, you're not going to get a lot more damage out of him

yeah in the future if you have a character that appreciates better noblesse pieces, just pull them off bennett

[timid zenith]

Btw I can change it to hp and hp in goblet and circlet also

[teal garden]

but if you don't have a good noblesse dps put the better feather on him

[teal garden]

you don't have to currently if your bennett is not used with furina

[timid zenith]

I just don't know which one is better

One gives a wooping amount of er and another crit

[teal garden]

cdmg 25 piece is better

it at least makes him do more damage

[timid zenith]

Ok

And I don't need to change his sands

[teal garden]

just stay like this

it means you're not going to need to switch pieces for him when you switch teams

[timid zenith]

So I switch the feather or not

[teal garden]

switch the feather and keep the sands

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

He is sometimes used with furina if xingqui isn't available otherwise never

[teal garden]

if he is sometimes used with furina hp/hp/hb or er/hp/hb

forget damage

go all healing

[timid zenith]

Ok

To be more precise I use Bennett with furina for floor 12 chamber 2

Really liked them together

Furinas buffing capabilities are amazing

Another question does gorou need triple def

Cause I was reading his guide and it said to just meet the er requirements with crit for fav and you are done

Is it fine?

This is the build with er hp hb

[teal garden]

his mainstats don't matter outside enough er and enough crit for fav

[teal garden]

looks good

[timid zenith]

So can I call this build completed?

[teal garden]

yup!

[timid zenith]

Thanks

Now 4 characters are done

[timid zenith]

Which one of these is better?

[teal garden]

higher crit rate

more crit rolls more atk

[timid zenith]

Do I need to do more minmaxing on her(

Or is she fine?

[teal garden]

useable as is

[timid zenith]

Still need to minmax then?

[teal garden]

not really, 170~180 for a crit build cv is already useable as is in abyss

minmax beyond this point based on your own comforts and faves

[timid zenith]

So I can call it completed then

[teal garden]

sure

[timid zenith]

Great

[teal garden]

it still sounds like you're trying to build a lot of characters still

no need to hyperfocus on one

[timid zenith]

I was currently moving a bit of artifacts here and there so that I can just complete them and put them aside

They won't be touched for a comparatively long time untill I have like a lot of free artifact lying around

Currently only Bennett raiden shinobu yoimiya and furina are done

Completing raiden affected my xingqui build which would be affected even more after I move some to xiangling

[timid zenith]

What can I do to improve this build

[teal garden]

more farming

[timid zenith]

That's true

I mean what should I change to improve it

Cause I think that the feather sands and flower are pretty good

[teal garden]

the circlet may be easier to replace

but since weapon has very low base and xiangling is played with bennett, if you can replace atk% substats with crit, do so

if you had to use her like this you still can provided the team is something like raiden national and everyone else are well invested

but when you're doing abyss on a budget

xiangling is your powerhouse

you'll want to farm more

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

Well raiden are Bennett are at least

Xingqui I am not sure

[teal garden]

raiden national wants all 3 of the dps fairly well built

[timid zenith]

Can I call it well invested?

[teal garden]

not quite poverty abyss

but may feel a little sluggish depending on how well you play abyss

can use as is but for the sake of comfort probably also farm more

wait actually

take this to floor 12

see how it feels

in raiden national it may not be so bad

the dbane em is nice

if you want some fast dmg raise xiangling to lvl 90 for the higher overload dmg. it's not a lot but it's cheap (wait she's already 90,)

[timid zenith]

What's poverty abyss?

[teal garden]

doing abyss with extremely underleveled characters

it's a livestream/content creator genre in cn and en (and probably elsewhere)

but I wouldn't say your raiden national team is that

it should be able to do abyss normally

[timid zenith]

Thanks

[timid zenith]

You can answer me here then

Pls teach me how to use this optimizer

[teal garden]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/scanner

before you do anything you may want to learn to use a scanner first

I use inventory kamera

but you have different ones available

[timid zenith]

What's an inventory camera

Wait how does the game kamera( if I understood correctly you mean the kamera we get in game for pictures of our characters) take pics of artifacts

[teal garden]

no inventory kamera isn't game kamera

it's this:

[timid zenith]

It isn't available for Android?

[teal garden]

ah no those are pc

artiscan can scan mobile through video but it takes a long time if you're uploading hundreds of artifacts

[timid zenith]

So how do you guys upload other people's builds on your optimiser

Wouldn't it take a vedio or something

[teal garden]

so...we would prefer people do their own optimizer set ups but if you have time you can use the theorycraft tab and manually enter stats without doing artifact input

using these input boxes until the character stats below match the build people showed you

it's a hassle to do, which is why we prefer people do their own

[timid zenith]

So optimiser is kind of a personal thingy for your account

[teal garden]

yes a calculator tool

[timid zenith]

And the gsims is that the battle simulator that I have hear about

[teal garden]

if you scan your weapons and artifacts you can use the optimize tab to come up with strongest builds for characters

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

So optimiser is kinda like for the endgame players who want to perfect out their characters

Did I get it right

[teal garden]

well minmaxers use it yes but for early accounts you can simply use it to come up with best builds for underbuilt characters

as well as use it to figure out how much healing/buffing/shielding/damage certain builds can do

whenever someone asks: what's a hutao CA number like? how much hyperbloom can kuki do? should I go for 1k EM kazuha?

optimizer answers all of that

[timid zenith]

I see

It considers all your stats

[teal garden]

yup!

[timid zenith]

Is it stuck on the first artifact itself or does it takes this much time normally

[teal garden]

Ive never used artiscan. you may want to try their support discord or forums.

[timid zenith]

The traveller is represented by lumine only?

How can I change it to aether

[timid zenith]

Also how do I add my team comps

It just shows my character and weapons which I suppose I have to mannualy add

The disadvantage of being on mobile I guess

[teal garden]

yes lumine only no way to change it

you add your teams in team buffs tab

optimizer doesn't do full team calc, only character calc with team buffs

[timid zenith]

Would this much er be enough on yunjin

After ascension it would be almost 245

Also regarding this traveller build wanted to to know is this much er fine or did I overshoot It

[timid zenith]

Also sometimes I just forget to give him fav cause well almost every single character kinda requires fav and I have only one at r3

So what all other weapons can I use as a substitute

[timid zenith]

Oh and another question how much cr cd and er can I possibly achieve on xiangling if I am giving her dban

Cause I am trying to reach an optimal region but am not sure what it would be

[timid zenith]

Gella you there??

[teal garden]

if you do hold E until it is fully charged on yunjin and make sure zhongli has fav proc then you're on the border of OK

traveler is fine

xiangling actually is a little flexible on crit because em rolls and even atk% rolls are still good for her

[timid zenith]

Is he fine even without fav?

Or fav is necessary

[teal garden]

but 180cv xiangling would be 120 or so

use fav

[timid zenith]

Also I was using a hp% goblet cause of its high er rolls

I suppose it will affect his own dmg

Would it be fine?

[timid zenith]

Didn't understood

[teal garden]

sorry mistyped

60/120

[teal garden]

for traveler if another character needs high ER you can lose about 20ER (the circlet) but don't go lower if you want to preserve the option to play him in long field time teams like cyno

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

So his own dmg is kinda useless

[teal garden]

yes

don't build him for damage

not worth

[timid zenith]

If I want to build a dps traveller then I should go for his geo kit?

Or the traveller kit is better utilized as a support

[teal garden]

traveler scaling is low across the board

if you want high team dps just play hyperbloom

[timid zenith]

You see one of my friends started this game and so I was trying to help him find a dps

The only option rn that we could find is the free noell

That's why asked that traveller question

[teal garden]

use traveler to solve overworld puzzles

but dps: dendro in hyperbloom where you don't have to care about dendro traveler crit ratio at all

[timid zenith]

Ok

Thanks

[timid zenith]

So I just input xianglings information in the optimizer

What is all of this

Can't make heads or tails of what this means

[teal garden]

1hit damge 2hit dmg those are individual instances of attacks from xiangling

[timid zenith]

I see

So if I want to compare artifacts I can compare based on dmg

[teal garden]

dough-fu are are normal attacks, her N1, N2, N3 etc, but you'll almost never use it. You'll just work with her skill which is each individual hit of guoba breath and burst
where she spins 3 times (1-hit 2-hit 3hit) before snapshotting into her regular pyronado

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

However it doesn't takes into account stuff like er and whether crit or not cause I had to mannualy select whether the atk crits or not

Or did I do something weong

[teal garden]

just choose avg attack

it already takes into stuff like ER for emblem dmg calculations

[timid zenith]

No I meant like would the er be alenough or not

Like the energy calc

[teal garden]

elsewhere you can tell optimizer build me a xiangling with minimum 195ER

[teal garden]

no that's something you have to know yourself for the specific build

so always use ERC to figure out whether you hit er threshold before optimizing

[timid zenith]

I can do that

How

[timid zenith]

I just don't know how to use it

It just shows way too much variable values

[teal garden]

you're not going to figure this out right away

expect a few weeks to several months

[timid zenith]

Like I did this and it's showing me to have 240 or some er on xiangling

[teal garden]

childe vape team rotations are not 20sec

they're more like 30sec rotations because for these calc you factor in battery time

[timid zenith]

??

[teal garden]

but sure if you want a 20sec rotation 250ER xiangling is requried

it jsut depends on what kind of rotation you want ot have

[timid zenith]

I don't really know how much I spend on rotation

[teal garden]

yeah you are not there yet

[timid zenith]

I mostly use childe burst cooldown for timer

[timid zenith]

Can you pls do the calcs for this team then

I just want a small idea of er

Not having catch on xiangling is surely tough

[teal garden]

there are 2 styles to playing this

kqm gives you a pretty logn rotation with batterying phase

cn players just play the 20~25sec rotations

kqm tells you you can do 195ER or so on xiangling

but cn will tell you 250ER xiangling minimum

you can pick one based on what you're comfortable with

personally for beginners I would say go with the cn way

[timid zenith]

I read the kqm guide but well it's a bit vague in terms of er from what I have seen

[teal garden]

if you're confused, just build higher ER

[timid zenith]

Like they said that a xiangling with 160 or some er in raiden national is fine but when I tried it I found that it isn't enough for a 100% uptime

[teal garden]

you can dial ER down once you know you don't need it

[timid zenith]

This is what I am trying to do but if I do that my DMG is struggling

[teal garden]

yup their calc assume you're batterying xiangling after raiden Q

[timid zenith]

Bennett and raiden both

Mostly my rotation goes like raiden e Bennett qe xiangling qe then xingqui qee

[teal garden]

post your raiden team builds (enka) and a video of rotations in abyss

[timid zenith]

Ok

The ping is a bit bad currently but that's mostly how my rotation goes

[teal garden]

this isn't a full rotation

this is only a partial

[timid zenith]

??

Then when is a rotation complete

I am currently feeling like an idiot who doesn't even know what a complete rotation is

[teal garden]

Raiden E -> xingqiu EQ(E) -> Bennett QE -> Xiangling QE -> (Bennett E) -> Raiden EQ combo -> Bennett E -> Xiangling catch particles

something like this

putting a bennett E after xiangling allows raiden to use E before bursting

when you record rotation videos for energy calculation and team dps purposes you keep recording until you have the energy back or you do 2 full rotations minimum

[timid zenith]

Didn't knew

[teal garden]

when people ask for rotation in the game they're mostly asking for just the main part without the batterying phase. But when you do calculations for erc and dps you include the battery phase and you try to optimize the whole thing

this is where reading other people's calculations and watching a lot of high skill player videos come in handy (especially for teams with a lot of rotation combos like international)

[timid zenith]

The international was just for example

My main aim is that I don't want xiangling to be restricted to the rational only

I want her to maintain her versatility for the abyss

[timid zenith]

Is this one complete?

[teal garden]

there you go, you got it

and you can see that your rotation started at 3sec mark and ended somewhere around 25ish sec

your energy looks fine here

if you are in a floor with some tougher energy issues weave in some bennett E

also PMA floor 12 tends to be pretty stingy with energy so most of the time you should be fine

[timid zenith]

In non raiden teams as well?

[teal garden]

you will def have a battery phase in non raiden teams

[timid zenith]

I once tried her with navia and didn't seem to need one

Cause any less er would be filled up by Bennett e of the next rotation

[teal garden]

yeah as long as xiangling gets her burst back when she needs it's fine

if youre' short a little just battery

[timid zenith]

Got it

One question how does a cv of 52/125 sounds?

[teal garden]

pretty good

[timid zenith]

Would it be fine or is the cr too low

[teal garden]

that's alredy fine

[timid zenith]

So I just need a better circlet on my xiangling

Or maybe I might just change to cd stats on others and use a cr circlet

Thanks

[timid zenith]

Hey gella
I was thinking about wishing on the weapon banner

Wanted to ask if it would be advantageous enough to my account to get a new character (I want nahida and CR both) or maybe a weapon like engulfing

Also currently I don't have much primos for any since I am an f2p and I recently only got yoimiya

[teal garden]

you have db on xiangling and catch on raiden with a c0 raiden and rust on yoimiya no?

in that case don't wish on the weapon banner at all

xiangling's weapon upgrades give very minor difference and c0 raiden in national doesn't care about engulfing

difference between rust and thundering is small on paper and even smaller in practice because you lose stacks for the weapon

[timid zenith]

Got it

[timid zenith]

Yes these weapons exactly

[timid zenith]

Was wondering if yoimiya can be used as a burgeon dps?

[teal garden]

you can but she doesn't really have an advantage here over someone like yanfei if you want to play it that way. Mostly suggest just buildign her crit and if you need the dendro for shieldbreaking hydro enemies or aoe play her as a crit build with incidental burgeon damage instead of pure burgeon trigger

having to stay on field through her E to apply pyro holds her back in burgeon

[timid zenith]

Was thinking about it if in case I have to use her against multiwave abyss

[teal garden]

that's the problem

if it's multi wave having to stay on her and not being able to reapply dendro isn't great

you can balance that with dendro traveler or yaoyao and that's about it

but sure

an option for her

where you don't really have to change anything just the team

[timid zenith]

So I guess it would be better to opt for thoma as burgeon dps

[teal garden]

if you have the resources yes

if you don't

just put a dendro in a yoimiya team and make do

[timid zenith]

I don't have resources for anything

Recently got to absolutely 0 mora

Am still recovering from that

[teal garden]

hold back on building more characters

work on existing

mora is going to be bottle neck for late-mid game

[timid zenith]

Yeah

Although since I am soon gonna touch ar 60 I suppose my bottle neck would relax a bit after that

At least that's what I have heard

[timid zenith]

Currently I was saving my resources to level up nahida when I get her

So yeah currently I am not doing any new character

Also yeah I was able to do this abyss cycle

Doing it consistently seemed way easier than last time

[timid zenith]

Is the albedo build good enough?

[teal garden]

this is good

[timid zenith]

Also how much er do I need on xiao with VH

[teal garden]

his set doesn't matter his team does for her

er

[timid zenith]

Oh and suppose I get a copy of fav sword
So should I use it to refine my r3 to r4 or level it up to 90 for another character who can use it?

[teal garden]

depends on team

[timid zenith]

Ok so how much in general

[timid zenith]

Team?

[teal garden]

no you don't understand

xiao's energy REALLY depends on team and what you have on them

so what do you have

[timid zenith]

Currently it's xiao Jean albedo zhongli

[teal garden]

otherwise read here

https://keqingmains.com/xiao/

[timid zenith]

Jean wold be replaced by sucrose once I have resources to level her

[teal garden]

160 minimum if jean and zhongli both have fav and jean funnels into xiao

[timid zenith]

Ok

And with sucrose

On ttds

[teal garden]

130

[timid zenith]

Ok

And would my account benifit from xianyun?

[teal garden]

did you pull furina?

[timid zenith]

Yes

I do have furina

[teal garden]

then yes for xiao's team

[timid zenith]

Xianyun has partywide heal right

And another help
So I want both xianyun and nahida
So just asking from a benifit point of view whom would benifit my account more xianyun or nahida

[teal garden]

then nahida for the amt of teams she currently enables

we currently don't have that many plunge teams and xianyun's teamheal depends on plunge to trigger

or supposedly that's the rumor

wait till live to confirm

[timid zenith]

Is this piece good or worth keeping

[teal garden]

keep for the er

[timid zenith]

But I suppose it's not good in fischl at least

[teal garden]

Not for fischl. For supports.

[timid zenith]

How much is the general er requirements for nahida

[timid zenith]

Do you think these artifacts are worth leveling up for nahida

I plan on giving her sac as a weapon

[teal garden]

0~160ER depending on team and whether you want her burst off cooldown every rotation. go for around 130 for a middle ground. You want her burst but you're ok skipping it sometimes. Allows you to swap weapons for bursting every rot

[teal garden]

if that's all you got use them. crit value on the lower end but useable

[timid zenith]

It's just that the sands is trash

However I don't have any other sands

[timid zenith]

How much crit value should I have

[teal garden]

that mostly depend on how much you want to farm

and whether you get enough dendro and crit gob so you don't have to stick with triple em

if you are, 50/100 on nahida without a crit weapon is a reasonable goal

[timid zenith]

I do have a crazy good atk dendro crit one

[teal garden]

with nahida, use optimizer

atk = no

dendro = em/dendro/em

crit dmg = em/em/crit

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

and mostly cdmg circlet unless you want to use widsith

[timid zenith]

No cr

I was reading her kqm guide and it said that I would want a 900-1000 em on her

[teal garden]

yes with asterisk

em/dendro/em on deepwood build with 800~900 em is comparable to triple em as long as it has similar or higher crit than triple em pieces

if you pull her weapon (don't pull) you typically can hit the 900~1k with em/em/cdmg

nahida build is a slide rule build

advice now: look for double crit with some er on feather and flower, look for double pieces in the rest of the slots, em sands always, em or dendro gob, em or crit circlet

[timid zenith]

I see

They have to be 4pc deepwood though right

[teal garden]

yes, gilded dream can allow you to drop one more em mainstat but nobody debuffs with deepwood as well as nahida in a nahida team

so just put her on deepwood

[timid zenith]

Also if I want to build ninguangg should I go for 2pc shime+glad or ap+glad

[teal garden]

just use any 2p2p or off piece with good main and substats

no need to farm for her

use hoarded pieces

[timid zenith]

Ok

That I can do

I have lots of potential off pieces

But would her DMG be comparable to other characters?

If I use off pieces

[teal garden]

no her team damage tend to be lower

which is why I don't recommend spending a lot of resources if you are still building with abyss as your main benchmark

build her so you have her to use if you need to use her randomly, such as against some geo shields or flying enemies

[timid zenith]

I was seeing a abyss guide where the guy used her to clear 12 first part

Since I already had her lvl 90 I thought it wouldn't hurt to build her

[teal garden]

this is a ningguang friendly abyss yes

if you like her you can use her in abyss, also yes

but she tends to take more investment to do equal or lower damage to other teams, also yes

can she offer something that other characters can't offer? rarely but she is a geo shield breaker with some potential to hit aerial enemies

[timid zenith]

So it won't hurt to build her with off pieces so that have good stats then

Also what set does the geo traveller apprecites

[teal garden]

noblesse if no one is using them

otherwise exile or off pieces

[timid zenith]

Ok

So there is no character that prefers AP in general

This takes care of the crit but now she has almost 0 er

Would it work

[teal garden]

if you have the resources ap is a decent 4pc set on ningguang but when you are busy raising a bunch of teams to abyss lvl just skip ap

[teal garden]

you can start using her like this

no ER is not as ideal but the most important thing is 4pc deepwood with some crit and em

you can move on and come back to this later

[timid zenith]

So I guess I will burst every 3rd turn with this?

[teal garden]

yes use it when you have it

in some double dendro teams you have enough for every other rot

[timid zenith]

I will mostly use nahida shinobu furina and yaoyao

Would it have enough er?

[teal garden]

barely, if yaoyao has fav

but that's already fine

skipping her burst in this team is fine

[timid zenith]

Also it just occurred to me the since it's shinobu I can just switch to nahida on field for more energy

I will still try to get a better feather or something with more er

Also wouldn't shinobu DMG be decreased if her burst isn't up

[teal garden]

if your shinobu is before c2 yes

at c2 doesn't matter

[timid zenith]

C1

I will get better stats then

You said I need 130 er right?

[teal garden]

130 for comfort but what you have is already fine

it's no big deal

raise other characters

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

This one has an almost similar cr with the desired er limit

[timid zenith]

Also I think that the cr should be fine because of her a4

[timid zenith]

What do you think

[teal garden]

looks good

[timid zenith]

Can I do the next abyss using hyperbloom team and raiden national based on current speculation
If yes then which team I should use which half

And if not can you suggest some other alternatives

[teal garden]

hyperbloom can do either half depending on how well you can take down wenut

top half is freebies

bottom half second chamber is the mechanic check

[timid zenith]

I am most worried about the wenut and the serpent

Don't know how the drake is

[teal garden]

dps window enemies

use short rotation teams or manage your long rotation teams for when you have a long window

wenut appreciates a swirlable archer like fischl yelan etc to shoot down the orbs

but not necessary, archer just makes it easier if you mess up

[timid zenith]

Archer?

But doesn't he like moves from place to place

Wouldn't it be difficult to aim

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXPnb4zfEw

[timid zenith]

So an Archer isn't required

[teal garden]

no just makes it easier if you mess up