No problem

[teal garden]

A few resources will be posted here

[timid zenith]

Thanks today for today's help

[teal garden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/htmlview?pru=AAABdXYM80o*xMxXJdNbCCZ-v9FLVh6EXg

this is a collection of popular builds for characters so that you can get a sense for what pieces are desirable

and then I will grab a few videos that show you what pieces to look for

[timid zenith]

So rest all can go to strongboxing right

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4pTE8lVZw

[timid zenith]

Also I was wondering if I should wait for a bit for version 4.3 before strongboxing since we would be able to strongbox in batches

[teal garden]

Aside from the artifacts that are used for builds, I would keep the following:

atk, def and hp mainstat pieces in GOBLET and CIRCLET if the substats are: double CRIT + ER when they're +4
all em mainstat pieces untill you have a lot of them, and then keep the ones with ER. When you have a lot of EM-ER pieces start prioritizing ones with crit rate, then crit damage

for now try to keep a lot more pieces that have crit rate and ER in substats, from any set, because you don't have a lot of characters built and ALL fav characters want crit rate and most of them want crit rate and ER

[teal garden]

usually you save pieces to strongbox right before strongbox is expanded to contain more sets. Strongboxing in batches only makes your life easier, it doesn't improve strongbox chances

for now I think you should watch the video first

then browse through the google doc

I suspect you may not have a good artifact scrapping priority yet

there are 2 concepts that are important in judging an artifact:

roll value and crit value

roll value is the total number of relevant substat for a build a piece rolled

crit value is 2 * crit rate + cdmg

some of the pieces you have with 9% crit rate, they're not bad because they have 18cv. So you would want to hold on to them until you get a better piece with a higher cv

[timid zenith]

What's artifact scrapping priority

[teal garden]

deciding when it's worth it to scrap a piece by feeding it into another piece or strongboxing it

you have so few em pieces that I think maybe you've fed them

which, early on in an account, indicate you maybe don't have a strong grasp on scrap priority yet XD

[timid zenith]

Actually I just sac any artifact that doesn't has a crit stat on it so that's why I have such a low artifact count

[teal garden]

ah then it is possible that you have scrapped some potentially good pieces

[timid zenith]

Yeah this exactly

So technically for now I should save all em and atk def hp with double crit right

[teal garden]

yes, do that for a while

and pieces that are hp/atk/def with

• er
• crit rate/cdmg
  -something else
• empty

you have so much space in your inventory that you can afford to hoard pieces

[timid zenith]

Also would this vedio help me in artifact scrapping?

[teal garden]

yes it would

that's an intro to scrap priority

[timid zenith]

Ok

Are there any other resources that could teach me about scrap priority

[teal garden]

for now just that video

it covers a lot of ground and will be a lot to remember

[timid zenith]

Would do it right away

[teal garden]

good luck

remember for scrapping artifacts, you don't have to get it perfect, you just need to get started on the right track and very soon you will develop an instinct for what pieces are worth it to hoard for a while

[timid zenith]

Thanks

[teal garden]

the video will help you do that

[timid zenith]

Alright thanks

[teal garden]

I'll keep this thread open for a little while. If you have a question related to it you can post it here if you want me to see it and follow up. Or you can post to the main help chat. If this thread is idle for a few days I'll come back and close it

[timid zenith]

I would really appreciate if you could pls wait for 1-2 weeks before closing this thread

[teal garden]

no prob

[timid zenith]

Thanks

[timid zenith]

So like in the vedio it's being said that I should first test the artifacts with 3 substats to see which roll it will get and then sac it but if I would be using +4 artifacts for strongboxing won't I be losing on a lot of artifact exp?

[brazen shale]

fodder the +4 you don't want into another potential artifact instead of strongboxing it

[teal garden]

yes you will but with some accounts especially if you know what your'e doing, you reach a level of standards where you can just strongbox +4 artifacts

not recommended for new accounts and people who are still learning scrap priority

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

the consideration these advanced accounts make is that strongbox and bosses give you slightly better chance for 4 line artifacts than artifact domains do

when you have been farming artifacts and making very good scrap priority decisions for a long time, sometimes you can decide to just strongbox +4's when your inventory is already near full with very good artifacts and it is already very hard to roll artifacts better than what you already have

but for your account, when in doubt just hoard it

you have room

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

and you still have a lot of characters to build

[timid zenith]

So I should currently do deepwood domain ind strongbox eosp right

[teal garden]

yes

deepwood and maybe golden troupe, and strongbox for eosf. For the xiao team you may want to get a 4pc noblesse for sucrose (high ER)

since sucrose doesn't need vv in that team

[timid zenith]

So what should be my priority level?

[teal garden]

priority here doesn't matter too much because it won't save you any time. switching between 2 domains can help fight off boredome tho

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

since you don't have any dendro crit build characters, you only need some more deepwood and gilded pieces for dendro mc and kuki and you can be finished very soon

then farm golden troupe until you are happy with furina build while continuing strongboxing for emblems for xingqiu xiangling raiden

for the next year or so, keep all em mainstat pieces, especially em with er and/or crit in substats

[timid zenith]

You see I want to be able to have some good characters a bit early since I wanted to 36* the abyss at the earliest

And since my investment isn't nice enough it's impossible for now

[teal garden]

you are already on the path to doing that (hyperbloom team + raiden national)

you want to lvl 90 your kuki right away

[timid zenith]

Would keep thaty first priority

So the hyperbloom team would be kuki fischl DMC and furina right

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

Alright then deepwood it is

[timid zenith]

If I am correct then this is a useless piece that I can sac right?

[teal garden]

depends on your account plans, for example

you already have a 4pc noblesse on bennett, so he wouldn't need it. But a few other supports can also appreciate 4pc noblesse with an hp circlet (mika, layla, sometimes even thoma, baizhu, kirara, zhongli). These characters appreciate fav, so you will want to build a decent amount of crit rate on them. So ideally you want hp circlet with er and crit but it isn't that hard to get enough crit rate for fav from other 4 pieces.

So you can decide to hold onto this if you plan to build some characters for an aggravate team or plan to build mika for scara/wrio/eula. Or if you don't plan to build those teams for a while, you can fodder this in favor of other pieces you need in the short term. I would strongly consider just holding onto this for a little while tho since you have room for an agg team

[timid zenith]

And based on that vedio I think theses artifacts are useless and should be used for strongboxing
What are your thought

[timid zenith]

But it got almost 2 rolls in def% no?

[teal garden]

childe's feather: scrap
childe's circlet: hold on to it for a while in case you build yaoyao/kirara/baizhu
kuki flower: hold for thoma
kuki feather: hold for thoma
kuki other feather: hold for thoma

[timid zenith]

You mean these are decent

[teal garden]

it doesn't matter for noblesse users. You just need enough ER and crit rate to use their burst and proc fav. "Wrong" stats are no problem and you can't really afford to waste too much artifact exp right now

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

I mean you don't have a lot of characters but have a lot of artifact room, so hold on to even kind of crappy ones because it saves you a lot of resin in the short to mid length future

when you're working to your first 36 star you want to keep breadth of team strategy in mind

[timid zenith]

So how about if I hold on to every 5* artifact for the time being

But then I won't get any strongboxing for eosp

[teal garden]

yes work on 2 good teams but try to build options and adaptability into those teams in the most resin efficient manner

[teal garden]

scrap the ones that are like childe's pieces, those are definitely safe

but yes, you are very resin-capped right now and will feel like you don't have enough resin to build the characters you want to build

[timid zenith]

Yeah

[teal garden]

so I would actually

stop building xiao

hold off on xiao, cyno, etc

and focus on:
raiden national
hyperbloom team
fischl, furina, and characters you can build extremely inexpensively like thoma and yaoyao

[timid zenith]

Ok so what should I try to aim for thoma

And yaoyao

[teal garden]

don't build thoma and yaoyao before your kuki is built

after kuki is built thoma and yaoyao are fast to build, you can even build them last minute if a new abyss looks like it wants them

[timid zenith]

My first aim is kuki but knowing what I want from artifacts for thoma and yaoyao would help me with getting a good scrapping idea

[teal garden]

yes

you have room to save artifact for them

and after you have useable artifact for them you don't need to hoard anything more, you can start scrapping ones that are less good

[timid zenith]

Yeah so what substats should I be looking for

Hp and em?

Also we are gonna aim for a burgeon team with thoma right

[teal garden]

thoma: if he's a shielder, hp/hp/hp or er/hp/hp with fav (crit rate and er in substats). If he's a burgeon dps 4pc gilded or 2em+2em of em/em/em with r5 kitain and only er and em needed, no crit.

yaoyao: hp/hp/hp, 160 ER from weapon and/or substat (fav or black tassel) is enough for bursting every other rotation, which is enough for most teams outside of nilou. build some crit rate if you're using fav.

[teal garden]

thoma is a really good dps in a dendro team. I recommend that as the default build for him. If you have onfielders that want a shielder (your scara) it is worth keeping a shielder set on hand for abyss flexibility

for shielder I would just keep correct mainstat with enough ER, and forget set bonuses, which makes your scrapping decisions easier and resin costs lower

[timid zenith]

Understood

[teal garden]

and because you have so many dps characters (xiao ganyu ayaka etc) and want to do abyss ASAP, I would save pieces they can use and forget set bonuses

just correct mainstat first, then choose pieces based on substat. When your acct is older you can upgrade them one by one but for now you want to hoard efficiently

so the +20 pieces from raiden with +9 crit rate, don't fodder it, pass it onto another dps who can use it and hold on until your standards for feathers and flowers are above 20cv (crit value = 2* crit rate + cdmg)

for the first year, maybe into the second year, 20cv on any piece is going to be the backbone of your account

[timid zenith]

So currently I should horde every 5* piece

[teal garden]

yeah early on, just hoard

[timid zenith]

Also I was wondering how about if I change deepwood memories on traveller with sac sword

[teal garden]

if you want artifact exp quickly you can do artifact routes and elite farming. Which allows you to +20 an artifact eveyr 4 days or so

[timid zenith]

That way his er problem would be taken care of

[teal garden]

his E only hit once, so he isn't a very reliable user of sacrificial sword. But he can proc fav passive by normal attacking until you see white particles

at 90 fav and sac sword have the same ER

[timid zenith]

Yeah so I can give him favonious and give kazuha sac

[teal garden]

you tend to want to put sac weapons on characters whose E hit multiple times while they're on field, and give fav to characters whose E hit only once

yes that works too

[timid zenith]

So currently I should go for rainbow pieces on my characters and then go for particular sets then?

[teal garden]

yes

focus on high priority sets first: deepwood on your dendro characters, gilded or 2em 2em on your hyperbloom/burgeon trigger. 4pc vv for kazuha (you're missing 1 em mainstat piece), focus on your emblem team who can pass pieces off to each other

you can even give ayaka and ganyu 4pc emblem for doing abyss on a budget

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

don't scrap all vv pieces after kazuha

give jean a 4pc vv option because you can build a team quickly with:
ayaka furina ganyu jean

er/atk/atk or er/atk/hb on jean is fine. If you have better vv pieces atk/anemo/crit on her with high ER. Or a mix: er/atk/crit. Jean is easy to build on a budget. No need to minmax her damage at this stage. Just know what she needs to do damage so you can factor that into decisions on what pieces to raise first

[timid zenith]

So at this stage I need to get just the good mainstats and little to no good sub stats and then go onwards from there

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

Alright understood

Never knew that first complete run is this tough

[teal garden]

you'll get past this stage soonish, usually around AR 57~58 if the acct has been farming semi-efficiently since AR 45, you'll feel the resource pinch start to ease

LOL it isn't uncommon for first 36 star to occur from 6 months to 1year into playing

it also depends on when you start to play and when your acct starts to do abyss, because abyss gets easier in the first few patches of a nation and then gets hard to wards the latter half

[timid zenith]

I am AR 59

And unfortunately I can also easily complete the first 3 floors it's just that no matter what I do I can't complete floor 12

[teal garden]

ah you have maybe, not been farming as efficiently as could have been. But you have lots of very good pieces, just a lot of characters missing 1 or 2 pieces to reach a very comfortable abyss dps build

[timid zenith]

Even I find this situation funny

Like if I can 27* the abyss I should atleast be able to complete floor 12 if not with any stars but I can't even complete it

[teal garden]

is survival an issue

do you want to do your first complete, 3 stars?

I think you can do it, one of the ways to do it may be through an abyss tutorial that tells you how to dodge and where to stand

it is very late now but tomorrow around the time we had our voice chat, if you want we can do abyss stream and look at where you could be having trouble

one moment we'll get you an abyss tutorial vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TQfVKI6wE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYpNNW-pE8

[timid zenith]

Thanks for this vedios at least I was able to get 4* with this

Wish I could get more though

[teal garden]

congrats

very close to next lvl: 6 star

[timid zenith]

Yeah I am thinking the same

So the team I was using was
Furina raiden kazuha and Noelle
Xingqui traveller kuki and yaoyao

Any changes you can suggest in these teams

[teal garden]

swap out noelle for jean

or wait

[timid zenith]

Tried that but wasn't good enough

Thlector and those dendro cores killede in an instant

Plus found out that Noelle is amazing with furina

She was able to do 20k damage in burst when all she had was a lvl 60 weapon and not so good artifacts

[teal garden]

ah ok noelle can help you break shields

do you have a raised barbara

raised enough to survive

if so you may find barbara working better than noelle

[timid zenith]

She isn't leveled up but it can be done

Other than that she is raised enough to heal well

[teal garden]

for now I would maybe try to experiment with rotation and positioning/grouping

because if you can 2 star chamber 3 I def think you can 2 star the first 2

[timid zenith]

That's what I think too

But I don't think I will be able to get all 9* this turn

[teal garden]

try it with barbara maybe a few times. She doesn't have a shield so you may want to dodge a bit better but she can break pyro lector shields

full star can be a bit tough, your characters are still a little underleveled

but 6 star I think can be worth experimentign with

[timid zenith]

So furina kazuha raiden and Barbra right

[teal garden]

yes

I'm headed to bed soon so good luck. I"ll check here tomorrow

[timid zenith]

But then chamber 2 would be near impossible

Good night

[teal garden]

don't worry about taking the same team all the way through. In the beginning it is normal to swap teams for a single chamber and swap other teams to do other chambers

[timid zenith]

Hope that when you wake up I have gotten 6* on floor 12

[timid zenith]

Would do that

[timid zenith]

Finally 6*

The addition of Barbra really made it a lot easier

Also I tried to get the third star on chamber 1 but was unable to do that no matter what I did so I suppose this is how far I can go currently

[timid zenith]

How are these 2 em goblets?

Like just to know for formulating a scrapping standards I think that these are decent pieces

[teal garden]

they're good goblets for kazuha or fav using em builds. I would save them for a while since you have space

for these 2 sets you can use them as of piece on kazuha or on set piece for nahida depending on which set you want to put her on. Typically she uses deepwood but can use guilded if someone else is using deepwood, which is a build you can use for doing as cheaply as possible early on

elemental mastery goblets are very very rare

so you want to lower your standards for them for a good long time

if they roll into er or cdmg on th +4 then they instantly become very good em goblets for nahida

[timid zenith]

But I don't have nahida currently
Although I plan to get her too

Also I do understand that I have space to horde artifacts but I just pls help me critically evaluate them as artifact pieces irrespective of the number of pieces I have or I can horde as this will help me form a good scrapping strategy

Like I understand and I won't be using any 5 star artifacts for strongboxing or exp but it will help me in the long run to be able to evaluate the artifacts

I think this might be a good piece for yaoyao what do you think

[teal garden]

Looks good for many of her builds. You would keep in mind crit rate if you use fav but this piece is mostly fine

No need to spend a lot on yaoyao build past the minimal requirements

[timid zenith]

Also I think this flower is useless

What are your thoughts

[teal garden]

farm more

it's a little expensive to +4 something like this

the only good result is crit rate

and you may not get it

[timid zenith]

Meaning it's useless

[teal garden]

no keep it and batch +4

you simply don't have enough pieces to declre it useless right away

you still have maybe 1~2 more dendro cahracters that can use fav

so just farm more and batch +4 if you get a bunch of better pieces you can decide this one isn't worth it

if you farm for a long time and this is the best you got, you don't want to eat it now

[timid zenith]

Ok

Otherwise if I look overall then it's a very mediocre one and I should use it only if I desperately need a flower right

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

Also one more question how does the frostbearer do as a weapon with writhosly

[teal garden]

it is very bad across all of his playstyles

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YGaDBgqcvBpb-BWadJyoPycg1Ql5OmR4Z5PcFg5cmm4/edit#gid=1853924605

it only looks good visually

[timid zenith]

Well looks like frostbearer is a useless weapon afterall

Oh and one last thing do you have a good genshin tcg deck to share with me

[teal garden]

you want to try #1050246504440414269 or #1038324023613980672 for card stuff

the main help chat volunteers (including me) do not include tcg in game mechanic coverage lol

[timid zenith]

Oh sorry didn't knew about it

[teal garden]

no worries you good

[timid zenith]

How is this goblet for shinobu

[teal garden]

great

[timid zenith]

Also would I need cv on kuki if I am gonna use it in a hyperbloom team or only em and er matters

[teal garden]

crit doesn't matter

er for the most part don't matter but can be nice to have because it allows you to iframe through damage and give her a bit of onfield time to benefit from her own healing

[timid zenith]

All substat roold went to def and not hp so i think this is useless?

[teal garden]

this is also fine

I would simply save it because you don't have very many em goblet in the game at all

just save all em pieces for a year

for a piece you don't need right now you don't have to keep raising it

but em goblet, it rolled crit twice

just keep it for a year

[timid zenith]

I actually do have 2 more em circlets so I was thinking that I should level up the others to see which one comes out best for shinobu

[teal garden]

ah no prob (em goblets are rare, em circlets are slightly less rare but I'd still just keep)

this piece can work on kaveh and kokomi in some builds

you may not want to build them now, but you have enough room to keep decent pieces for those builds, hoarding just allows you to instantly raise a character when you need them

even if it's not the charcter you were saving the piece for

[teal garden]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact/Distribution

something to consider is the chances of getting what mainstat in what location

your hp/def/atk mainstat pieces should have higher standards than em pieces

[timid zenith]

You mean to tell me that em is as rare as 2.5% chance and I am pretty sure that I would have saced so many of these for mere exp

I am feeling pretty terrible about this mistake

[teal garden]

yes this is something a lot of beginners don't know. truly, keep em mainstat pieces for a year so you have a library of them to choose from before making any decisions

[timid zenith]

Out of these two which one do you think is better

Also the only reason I haven't leveled up the goblet yet is because it has wasted substats so I thought it would be better to ask which one is better before levelling

[teal garden]

higher ER

the goblet mainstat doesn't matter

if it has ER it's good

[timid zenith]

Wait I don't need dendro DMG bonus

[teal garden]

the other dendro gob with double crit would be better used on someone that is a much more important dmg contributor: tighnari, haitham, sometimes nahida in em/dendro/em

[teal garden]

nope, because even with maxed out stats and ideal spred teams dendro traveler isn't a significant damage dealer

[timid zenith]

But doesn't dendro DMG bonus increase hyperbloom dmg

[teal garden]

not at all

hyperbloom damage is only determined by the electro triggering character's character level and em

it has nothing to do with dendro traveler

dendro traveler is just there to make sure his burst is available

[timid zenith]

So do I need cr or I can sac it for er as well

[teal garden]

fav because dendro traveler's E hits only once and is therefore not a good sac user

but you have enough crit rate now

just look for er in the gob, from any mainstat

[timid zenith]

Any? Even hp%

[teal garden]

yup

[timid zenith]

Ok

Also how is this hyperbloom team traveler xingqui kuki and yaoyao?

[teal garden]

sounds good

you can replace yaoyao or traveler with a dps character with no problem but if you need to ensure dendro application use them both

[timid zenith]

Who can be a good dps character

[teal garden]

in single target or few enemies you can replace one of them with fischl or kokomi/yelan/ayato/furina or replace them with a character that allows you to get around shields (in a hyperbloom team that can be pyro to get around cryo shields)

[timid zenith]

Gotcha

I should use yaoyao on all hp% build right

[teal garden]

yes, maximize her healing is fine (hphphp or hp hp hb)

if you're using her where her burst healing matters every rotation er hp hb/hp

yaoyao build is flexible

[timid zenith]

Also does the dendro res shared by deepwood add

[teal garden]

no

2 deepwoods in the team won't shred more

[timid zenith]

So I can build yaoyao on 2pc maiden 2pc ocean since DMC already has the deepwoon

[teal garden]

yes if you have 2 dendro in the team yaoyao can use heal sets

[timid zenith]

Would I be using her for burst though

[teal garden]

in hyperbloom teams not really, you have 2 healers in the team, yaoyao can just use burst in absolute emergencies

if you're in a nilou team or playing yaoyao with furina then yes, give her er

in a burgeon team or quickswap team where yaoyao can use burst for extra dendro app, you can also build her with some er

[timid zenith]

So I tried the spiral reset and although I was able to get the first 6 stars on floor 12 I wasn't able to get the last stars even though the hyperbloom team is pretty good and I am able to get 28k per hyperbloom hit

Does this mean the problem is with my first team of maybe my rotation? Or that I still need better artifacts

[teal garden]

is hyperbloom team built? kuki lvl 90 full em build?

[timid zenith]

Full em yes

Level 90 no

[teal garden]

what teams are you using?

all 3 chambers, they can be diff teams for each chamber just show me

[timid zenith]

Kuki DMC yaoyao nd xingqui

Second half

Raiden furina kazuha Barbra in first half

[timid zenith]

Yeah I was thinking the same

But the thing is if I can't get the last star on chamber 1 I won't get it on chamber 3

[timid zenith]

Show what btw?

[teal garden]

I somewhat think chamber 2 may be the easiest for this team

oh if you're using diff teams just show me all of them

[timid zenith]

Nah currently I just got all 6 stars with this team only

But I was thinking of using the other team like I tried using venti instead of raiden for first half but then I lost any dps potential for clearing

[teal garden]

I would maybe try for the first 3star on chamber 2

but yes, use venti first chamber and see what happens

[timid zenith]

So the team of venti raiden Barbra and furina?

Also should I give venti kazuhas artifacts

[teal garden]

you don't have nahida right?

[timid zenith]

Sadly no

[teal garden]

do you have xiangling bennett build yet?

[timid zenith]

You said that Bennett was fine

[teal garden]

but xiangling wasn't quite built

but you have a barbara that can survive?

[timid zenith]

And for xiangling I was currently doing the deepwood domain so I didn't got any more eosf artifacts

[timid zenith]

Yes

Barbra can survive

[teal garden]

try raiden xingqiu xiangling bennett second half chambers 1~2
furina barbara venti cryo first half (cryo can be any good cryo you have)

if there's no good cryo try your best electro

[timid zenith]

Without quicken that pyramid would be impossible

[teal garden]

do you have sucrose beidou fischl built?

[timid zenith]

Sucrose no

Fischl yes

So is true with beidou

[teal garden]

furina barbara fischl venti

then hyperbloom team second half

you can play with switching raiden or fischl into first or second half and switching out one dmc/yaoyao

[timid zenith]

Oh an I think that I can build sucrose by giving her kazuha artifacts

Meaning both hyperbloom?

[teal garden]

actually yes, if you can run 2 hyperbloom teams this abyss, it will feel very comfortable

furina barbara dmc raiden (em)
xingqiu yaoyao kuki fischl

[timid zenith]

I am thinking of interchanging DMC and yaoyao cause I think I will need more healing with furina

Also would part 1 be good without crowd control

[teal garden]

that works

[teal garden]

chambers 1~2 don't need crowd control. You can do it purely by positioning yourself against enemies. Chamber 3 appreciates crowd control but is also doable with positioning

I think it would be good to try to get 3 stars on chambers 1 and 2 first tho

since chamber 3 is the hardest one this time around

[timid zenith]

Let's do chamber 1 and 2 first then

Gonna try it rn

Let's hope for the best

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TQfVKI6wE

I would still refer to this guide, I think I posted it before

or other similar guides

but she covers positioning

to make it easier I would go for 3 star on chamber 2 (just try to survive chamber 1 with good hp and fully charged bursts)

once you're done with chamber 2 go back to 3 star chamber 1

this way you're not redoing chamber 1 over and over

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

So I just tried out this team and it didn't helped since yaoyao along doesn't has enough dendro application to be of any decent damage

Also I don't have enough em artifacts to give raiden all 3 em

[teal garden]

you may have to come to terms with not quite having enough characters built for 36 this time around

build yaoyao with er, not full hp

as for raiden if you cant get set bonuses go for 2pc and em mainstat if you can

but I remember you ate a lot of em pieces such that you don't have any em goblets

[timid zenith]

Now I do have em goblets

It's just that they won't offer any piece bonus

[teal garden]

ok, any em mainstat piece, if you can get wanderer troupe + gilded, go for that, if not, 2pc em with em mainstat and em weapon

yeah that's fine

mainstat more important

2pc em only gives you 80

is raiden lvl 90?

[timid zenith]

Yes

[teal garden]

ok good

try that

build yaoyao er/hp/hp(hb) with fav for her own er

[timid zenith]

Ok would try that

[teal garden]

for yaoyao don't use her skill and burst at the same time

use burst when burst is done use skill

[timid zenith]

Oh so I alternate between them

[teal garden]

when skill and burst are at the same time you don't get much extra dendro app

yes

[timid zenith]

Also here raiden skill is important than burst right

[teal garden]

not her skill level, but her skill up time

[timid zenith]

Also just a thought what if I can get collei to replace yaoyao

[teal garden]

collei's aoe is very small

if you're confident in your positioning-grouping abilities you can try collei esp second half

but you're using yaoyao first half no?

[timid zenith]

Yes

[teal garden]

then there's not really a reason to use collei

her dendro app is also not really an improvement over yaoyao (ok well this is not true in single target where the target doesn't move, but first half is where you have waves of enemies and they move)

[timid zenith]

Then yaoyao it is

[timid zenith]

Turns out you were right I still don't have enough built characters to get all 36*

[timid zenith]

Also I was thinking that since I don't have that many characters that so desperately need guilded or deepwood anymore I should just go back to eosf so that I can complete the xiangling build and also if I do eosf I can build beidou and raiden also

[timid zenith]

What do you think

[teal garden]

I think having a xiangling bennett core will make things a lot easier

[timid zenith]

Thanks

I think so too

Xiangling is just way too versatile

[timid zenith]

So regarding these two electro goblets although both have 20+cv they both rolled into flat def about 2-3 times

Do you think they are worth keeping

[teal garden]

both yes

they rolled very well

20cv on elemental dmg goblet and onset

[timid zenith]

Next question which one is better on beidou

[teal garden]

depends on your overall crit distribution

right one is slightly more roll value but that can go away based on your distribution

[timid zenith]

So what do you think about the xiangling Bennett core

Also should I try to get Bennett a sub dps artifact set with crimson witch or something or a completely supportive role is fine?

Also I wanted to ask the since the atk% sands is currently wasted on him what should I replace it with? Hp or er or em?

[teal garden]

bennett is fine for most things, xiangling could use a little more crit rate but you can def start using her now in abyss

no need to build bennett damage in a way that cost you resin

if you eventually get some damage on him, great, but his role in most teams isn't that. also in furina teams if you use bennett you want him to heal for massive amts: er/hp/hb or hp/hp/hb

so it somewhat makes damage bennett a little lower priority

[teal garden]

hp or er

if you get an hp sands with some er in it, that'd be ideal

[timid zenith]

Actually since now I have xiangling artifacts free I can try to come up with something that doesn't cost any reisins but then he will probably lose his healing bonus and hp goblet

As for xiangling I will keep on trying to get another good circlet for her since currently I think that is the only weak point for her

[teal garden]

for most teams subdps bennett would still heal fine (atk pyro crit) but if you're having survival issues in abyss I'd maybe suggest build bennett to be tankier

his damage in most rotations are modest but his ability to tank can make a lot of difference to someone pushing their abyss progress

[timid zenith]

Well I suppose that there is only one way to find out yhen

I will keep a 4pc nobless with atk Pyro crit then to see how it fares

If I can't survive I can simply revert to my old artifacts

[timid zenith]

I currently have 200% er do I need another 51%?

[teal garden]

200 good in vast majority of teams, but if you can go higher it can feel a hair more comfortable

[timid zenith]

So er is better than hp in this case?

[teal garden]

up to you

past a certain point bennett builds is just personal preference

and what pieces you have available

you can always swap a piece on him if you die a lot or you find energy a little short

[timid zenith]

I don't know how but my Bennett is able to do 7k per skill tab with the current artifacts but only 5 k per tap with the atk Pyro and crit build I just don't know how but since that's the case I assume the current build works better

Although I still don't understand how does it works

[teal garden]

I don't have video of your attempts but several things can be happening

enemy resistance and rotation differences

or the atk pyro crit substats were simply very much behind this one

it shouldn't tho since crit and pyro mainstats are themselves dmg stats

[timid zenith]

Oh and btw I just got 1000+ 5* artifacts so I wanted to ask that could I start strongboxing now?

Or is it too early

[teal garden]

start going through them and whittle them down

lock ones that you should hoard for a while

and strongbox the flat stat pieces whose mainstat are useless to you: keep em mainstats, dmg goblet, crit mainstat pieces for now even if the substats look bad

good luck

zeo do you want to schedule a video call again

since it sounds like you've been farming an strontboxing a few sets

[timid zenith]

Haven't farmboxed anything yet

[timid zenith]

Can you give me some examples

Cause I don't understand which one would be a useless mainstat

[teal garden]

ah ok

so suppose you're going through emblem set to filter which you want to keep and which you want to strongbox

[timid zenith]

Like after this time I do understand that the flat stat like flat def hp and atk are useless so artifacts like feathers and flowers with two or more of these are useless and good option for strongboxing

[teal garden]

for feather and flowers, for now at least, keep all double crit pieces that are +4 even if they have 2 useless stats, consider er and em in flowers and feathers good stats. Since you have atk and hp scaling emblem users hp% and atk% should also be considered good stats. def% substat can be considered a good stat if the other 2 are er and crit rate so it becomes a piece you can use for yunjin or gorou.

useful mainstats: hp, atk, em in sands, all elemental goblets, atk% and hp% mainstat pieces in goblet and circlet. keep def sands if it has double crit or crit + er

so for example in a flower or feather, you'd want to keep a piece that looks like this for a little while at least until your xiangling is getting into upper minmaxing stage
er
em
crit rate
atk%

[timid zenith]

But if I use +4 artifacts for strongboxing won't I be losing on some very precious exp?

[teal garden]

yes you will

I don't really recommend doing that especially when you don't have space issues and you're not doing daily artifact investigation point runs

[timid zenith]

What's that?

Also one question should I make an eosf set for xingqui as well?

[timid zenith]

Then I suppose I should just hold on to strongboxing until I have storage issues?

[teal garden]

you can start strongboxing pieces you will simply never level

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_jTW2JQuw

[teal garden]

yes, an emblem set for xingqiu eventually, but if you don't have that right now and want to do abyss quickly, if you have noblesse + atk or noblesse + emblem that's also good and immediately usable

[timid zenith]

This reminds me that now that I have xiangling Bennett core and also my beidou is almost finished as well

So what team should I use in the abyss

It's just to aim for the final 3 stars

[teal garden]

I remember you have a decent hyperbloom team

[timid zenith]

Yes DMC yaoyao shinobu and xingqui

It's just a shame that my shinobu isn't c2

[teal garden]

hm, put xingqiu on xiangling bennett side

and give shinobu barbara or kokomi

you don't have yelan right

[timid zenith]

Nope

[teal garden]

or any other hydro

[timid zenith]

Wait let me send my characters

[teal garden]

yes thanks XD

[timid zenith]

https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/m.html?gid=2&utm_source=share&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=web#/ys/role/all?role_id=620529968&server=os_usa

Does it work

[teal garden]

no XD

it shows me my own acct

[timid zenith]

Here

[teal garden]

ok let me name some teams

wrio xiangling bennett anemo/hydro/cryo
raiden/sucrose/fischl/dendro xiangling bennett xingqiu
navia xiangling bennett gmc
ganyu xiangling bennett zhongli

since you have a hyperbloom team now (remember to lvl 90 kuki) you may want a second hydro. I'd just build barbara up enough to survive in a quickswap team here but no need to build her too much

once you have a xiangling bennett core you can pick one of your pulled 5* and build them

[timid zenith]

By the second team you mean rational

[teal garden]

your xingqiu can go either with xiangling bennett or in the hyperbloom team, barbara is just an option

yes, some kind of national team, of which rational is just one option

[timid zenith]

I also have furina for hyperbloom

[teal garden]

oh good

no need to raise barbara for now

[timid zenith]

Although I don't have a complete 4pc GT yet

[teal garden]

since I remember you already have a barbara that survives

that's all she needs to doo

[timid zenith]

Yup

[teal garden]

sounds like you're making pretty good progress on your acct now for doing abyss on a budget

[timid zenith]

With a 4pc ocean to deal some damage

[teal garden]

if you want furina up and running just build her enough to sruvive and rely on her hydro app mechanic first while you work on her damage

lvl 90 kuki tho, that's where your hyperbloom damage comes from (34% of it)

[timid zenith]

I can build on 2pc ocean and 2pc GT for now then

[timid zenith]

Would do it

So the second half is kuki hyperbloom

What about the first half

That's the one that gives me trouble

[teal garden]

are your good furina pieces in ocean? if so go ahead, if you have other suitable pieces (tenacity, hydro dmg, emblem) then use those

actually I'd put double hydro (furina barbara) hyperbloom first half and raiden national second half

raiden national will do the boss fights just fine

that's for this abyss, next abyss I have to look up what the enemies will be

[timid zenith]

Would 1st half be possible without crowd control unit?

[teal garden]

yes, it is possible with positioning

you'd want to use one of the abyss guides that help you with where to stand

[timid zenith]

Yeah I remember you sent a guide

Can you send it again

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TQfVKI6wE

[timid zenith]

Thanks for pinning it

[teal garden]

if you want a grouper first half, beidou fischl xingqiu sucrose. but you have some bleed mechanics from rifthounds and pyro lector so I strongly suggest putting barbara here instead of traditional taser

[timid zenith]

How much er should I aim for beidou

[teal garden]

moving target, depends on whether she's run with fischl and how much your'e able to perfect parry

what's the team

is it beidou fischl sucrose dendro/xingqiu?

[timid zenith]

Currently no team as such

[teal garden]

130~140 with xingqiu with 0 perfect parries but 130 means you're using beidou skill off cooldown

[timid zenith]

I was just building her based on what all characters you said to build

[teal garden]

for your current situation beidou doesn't seem like as high priority as fischl

but if you're building beidou for beidou-fischl core, atk/electro/crit and go for 140 ER on beidou, go higher if you think you want some comfort around rotation management but certainly no higher than 175. Beidou can be solo electro and sellf battery in quickswap teams at around 180 ER

[timid zenith]

I have a fischl build

[teal garden]

don't put as much resources into beidou yet, for her to do well you want fairly high investment

try to do abyss and see where you're falling short

beidou would be a first half team if you build her this time

but first half kind of wants 2 hydro for shield breaking speed

instead of 2 electro (you can clear it with 2 electro but for I think double hydro hyperbloom is way cheaper to build, and you'll break shields faster without playing as close attention to what you're doing)

[timid zenith]

No I just made a doable set with what all I had available in eosf

[teal garden]

oh nice!

[timid zenith]

These two

The only reason beidou has so less er is because of this

[teal garden]

that's pretty nice

130 is doable

[timid zenith]

Also since now I think I have some enough eosf pieces should I do vv domain for the last em piece for kazuha

[teal garden]

yup good luck

[timid zenith]

And maybe more em pieces for sucrose

[teal garden]

ascend beidou and fischl for the base atk increase tho

[timid zenith]

I can do that

Also one question

How do I increase my reisin efficiency like I wanna do world boses

But that way I will lower my domain runs

[teal garden]

yes it does. I still like doing weekly bosses for the materials you can only get there: billets, dream solvents, glad/wanderer, exile/instructor
I just do 3 per week (the maximum discounted claim limit)

3 per week won't set you back too much

[timid zenith]

Yeah I do weekly bosses

Afterall you get only one shot at them

[teal garden]

did you mean overworld bosses?

[timid zenith]

Plus without discount they are pretty pricy

[teal garden]

those you only do when you need materials for a character

no need to do them beyond what you need to build characters

[timid zenith]

Yup

I just used to do them for the bp

[teal garden]

you can do them without claiming and it still counts for bp

as well as doing them in abyss (bosses in abyss also contribute to bp)

[timid zenith]

Wait they do?

Which mean if I do floor 12 I will get 3 gains in it

Thanks

I will try to level them up

And then try the abyss

Let's hope I can complete it this time. Hopefully

[teal garden]

if you reset a few times you can finish bp the day you do abyss

good luck

[timid zenith]

So I tried the abyss

Got the third star in chamber 2

But am unable to get the last star on the other two chambers

It's kinda like this taking too much time in chamber 1(everything just burns of the DMC burst)
And in chamber 3 the first team either doesn't survive or takes too much time(same reason DMC burst is just burned)

[teal garden]

hm, maybe do try beidou double hydro instead of hyperbloom then

the pyro causing burgeon on you can hurt

congrats on chamber 2

[timid zenith]

Tried it but it just takes way too much time

Currently beidou is able to only do 13k per burst damage

It's just way too less

[teal garden]

do you have videos of you doing chambers 1 and 3 first half

maybe there are places where you can shave some time off

[timid zenith]

Don't have I vedio

But can make one

Btw I am using beidou taser first half right?

[teal garden]

yeah

double hydro or barbara + sucrose

raiden national second half

I think first chamber may be easier than third

[timid zenith]

I know these two are terrible

I seriously have skill issues

[teal garden]

second half time is solid

first half, you seem to be doing more running around than you need to, you can start barbara e (water drops touching the pyro) and go straight into beidou eq kazuha eq)

when you EQ on kazuha don't stay on him to normal attack unless it's to group enemies with stagger. Kazuha already penalizes you because his field time is very long, just use and swap off

but I actually think you'll have an easier time doing barbara furina beidou fischl instead of kazuha version

[timid zenith]

I tried that but the problem the comes there is survivability

Because furina drains my own health

[teal garden]

trust in beidou burst

[timid zenith]

You mean to say the damage I am doing is fine?

[teal garden]

yeah your first half damage is fine for clearing abyss

if you can do it faster you may buy more time for first half but it's already fine as it is

I can try with a lvl 50 barbara but I think my characters may be a bit more built than yours. I can try anyway tho to see where the tricky parts are

gimme a min to get back into my acct

[timid zenith]

I actually tried to use the team of furina kazuha raiden and Barbra first half and could complete it with more than a minute for the second half

But then what should I use for second half that rational is our of option

It's as if I need raiden on both teams

[teal garden]

second half: xingqiu bennett xiangling sucrose/fischl

trust in national core

[timid zenith]

But then I will lose the burst uptime that was because of raiden

[timid zenith]

I haven't tried this one yet

Although I didn't try the national core with beidou and it wasn't that good

[teal garden]

beidou is harder to play there than fischl

and in single target beidou doesn't do more damage htan fischl

so just use fischl or sucrose here

[timid zenith]

I will need electro for asimon

So I suppose fischl

[timid zenith]

Oh btw can you try with these teams and tell me the problems then
Barbra furina raiden kazuha
Fischl xiangling Bennett and xingqui

[teal garden]

the first team can probably do chamber 1 but could have a tougher time chamber 3. There is a technique you can use where you go from barbara e straight into kazuha Q to make it absorb hydro which would help in breaking shields against lectors

but chamber wants you to kill enemies in 2's

which make beidou a lot more useful than single target teams

[timid zenith]

Meaning that beidou teaser is better

But my skill issues just make it take way too much

[teal garden]

in chmaber 3 yeah I'd recommend trying beidou fischl barbara furina instead

but I'm still on a diff acct right now lol but I'll do some runs with both single target and lvl 50 barbara double hydro. I think you're mostly ok second half, it's going to come down to how fast you can do first half

[timid zenith]

Yeah I also feel that it's all about chamber 1

[timid zenith]

The only thing that's left now if the final chamber

[teal garden]

nice

ah I also just finished chamber 1 but you got it

do you want me to try it with the beidou team or the furina raiden barbara kazuha team

[timid zenith]

Yeah

[timid zenith]

Cause I think that raiden wouldn't be a good option against chamber 3

Plus copeliues needs rational

[teal garden]

with kazuha there you might be able to do it if you're more comfortable with that team instead of double hydro d ouble electro

[timid zenith]

And what about double hydro

If it could lead to better results I can try it

However since I don't know how to use it would you pls send a vedio of how you are doing it

[teal garden]

double hydro breaks shields faster but it wants you to walk to specific places in the chamber to group enemies in chamber 3

one moment I'm going to do the raiden furina team chamber 3 and go back and use double hydro so you have 2 videos?

could take me a few tries tho

[timid zenith]

Ah it's fine take your time

I am not gonna try chamber 3 until then

Thanks again

[teal garden]

hm, I think I need to build more energy on my team (different from I'm used to) but currently it's 2sec below full star

[timid zenith]

Which team

[teal garden]

furina raiden

[timid zenith]

Chamber 3

[teal garden]

yeah

[timid zenith]

Can I see your build if you don't mind

Cause yours are gonna be way higher than mine

[teal garden]

add me in game

I'll put the teams in profile

may be quicker

634758360

[timid zenith]

You on America server?

[teal garden]

https://enka.network/u/634758360/

the 2 teams

I think I can full star tho if I build more energy second team and raise barbara's talent levels (e)

[timid zenith]

However after seeing the builds I suppose it would be impossible for me

[teal garden]

your build is still very in progress XD

[timid zenith]

I have way lower cv and other stats

[timid zenith]

Exactly

So if you can barely do it with that team it won't work for me

I suppose beidou taser double hydro one is the only option

Can you try it once

[teal garden]

yeah I'm doing beidou one now

one moment

sorry for the long upload this is the furina link

I can go back and redo it with better energy after beidou attempt

[timid zenith]

This is what I am getting on trying to open the link

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P785kD_cSUY&feature=youtu.be

[teal garden]

ok for both teams I can say a few things:

try to get the pyro to shield up at the same time, this keeps them together better once they shield up there's only one way to move them.
if one shields up, they self-apply pyro, but if there's electro on them when they self apply pyro, it causes an overload reaction which can scatter the other one if the other one isn't in shielding up animation.
before the 2 lector fight if you can't kill the 2 kairagis before one regains hp, just reset the chamber. The easiest way is to group the fatuis and kill them first and let the kairagis follow you. once fatuis are dead focus on killing 2 kairagies at the same time. When kairagis are dead run to the side of the chamber so that you and the 2 lectors are in a single line and hug the wall. If you hug the wall the 2 lectors will self group and you can then start on them. You can start on them earlier if you have kazuha. Kazuha team till want to make them shield up at the same time.

second half, since you're using xingqiu, there are cryo attacks that freeze you. If your xingqiu is full energy there's a short window right when the fight starts for you to EQ(E) on xingqiu before they use their first cryo attack. After that, try to spin the camera as you fight to keep the circling boss in your sights because he's the one that uses fast cryo attacks that either freezes xingqiu or does melt damage on your character if they're on bennett circle. You can dodge those attacks by doing a quick left right dash. When the 2 bosses join up they will do a spin that does melee aoe damage, you can dash through it or stay in mid range distance a little further back (a good time to use raiden e or xingqiu Q before going in on them)

[timid zenith]

With the beidou double hydro one it's just taking way too long

Guess I have to try with raiden and furina first half only

That seems as the only logical option

[timid zenith]

Do you have the vedio of this run

[teal garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GqBqMj0nw

this isn't perfectly that (lectors ungrouped) but has most of the things

if you want to see the techniques illustrated you may want to search for a guide instead of me lol

[timid zenith]

Finally I was able to get 36 stars

The taser comp with furina Barbra kazuha and raiden is good for chamber 3 as with a lot of resets I was able to do it in 1 minute and 30 sec after which the second half was easy for the hyperbloom team

Also I just searched and got to know that copelius is weak to some pneuma and oisa attacks

What are those

Also I know that I have 36* the abyss but please don't close this thread just yet

I want to make sure I can do it again on the next reset as well

[teal garden]

HEY congrats

[timid zenith]

Also do you know what is this

Like there is a way to srin this boss

[teal garden]

pneuma ousia attacks are special attacks that fontaine characters have

using the right pneuma ousia attack during the boss fight can stun them and make them easier to kill

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Icewind_Suite

scroll down to coppelia's climax

[timid zenith]

You mean I just needed to switch xingqui with furina and then I would have had a pneuma character to constantly stun this thing

[teal garden]

you won't constantly stun it

it's only during when coppelius is spinning on the perimeter

that's your stun window

[timid zenith]

Then I suppose stunning it would have been a hassle

Anyways it's done

Hoping that the next abyss doesn't gives me nightmares like this one

[teal garden]

so...it is likely for abyss to get harder towards the middle and later patches of a nation

we've seen it happen in inazuma, sumeru especially

but your account will also progress through the patches

there's definitely an easy period in the beginning of inazuma, sumeru, and fontaine

[timid zenith]

I just happen to have returned at a bad time then

Also whom should I build now

Plus since beidou wasn't able to do anything decent should I build her again?

Or was that because of skill issue

[teal garden]

well no this abyss ungroups the lectors with electro

and I think you're probably ok without beidou

[timid zenith]

Oh no not this one

I anticipation of the next one

Like I was thinking of maybe doing the gt domain so that I can build fischl furina(properly) and also wriothsely

[teal garden]

I'd focus a bit more on raiden xiangling bennett xingqiu and hyperbloom core still but since we now have a pure hydro boss in fontaine you may want to consider building navia for navia xiangling bennett zhongli

wriothesley is fine

maybe a bit more resin efficient

[timid zenith]

So the new domain then?

[teal garden]

do you have any non-strongboxable domains to farm still

are you happy with furina and fischl progress

[timid zenith]

They have rainbow sets and guilded respectively

I know they will deal way better DMG with gt

Like fischl DMG was amazing imo

Way better than beidou

[timid zenith]

I haven't done gt that much so yeah it still hasn't progressed that much

Xiangling and beidou were being the highest priority for the time being

[teal garden]

hm, give navia 2+2 for now

[timid zenith]

Which 2

[teal garden]

she can use golden troupe if she's quickswap but in xiangling bennett zhongli she's not quickswapping that much

gt + atk or gt + ap (but you may have more good atk pieces right now and eventually you may want to go full navia sig set for her)

[timid zenith]

Ok

So beidou is fine as is?

[teal garden]

with beidou the bigger your acct is the less necessary she is to build

right now you just don't have a lot of units with full teams so I wanted to suggest a quick beidou if you have emblem pieces

[timid zenith]

This was the one

[teal garden]

yeah this is fine for abyss on a budget. she'll feel better with a bit more investment but artifact wise this is already fine (what's not fine is character lvl and burst lvl lol)

[timid zenith]

11 isn't fine yet?

Also beidou is better at lvl 90?

[teal garden]

your cv is low enough that her talent level and 80/90 will feel pretty important

if you don't play beidou for aggravate or quickbloom she's fine at 80 ascended

[timid zenith]

It's lower by almost 20-30 cv because I was going for higher er

[teal garden]

I remember you have a 130ish ER beidou?

[timid zenith]

Yeah

[teal garden]

130 you can wing it in a quickswap team in aoe

[timid zenith]

This one was it

[teal garden]

51/145 better

[timid zenith]

Ok

[teal garden]

if you have resources ascend beidou

[timid zenith]

But without a perfect parry wouldn't she have er issues

[timid zenith]

Would do it

But the problem is mora

The only reason fischl is lvl 80 is my dirth of mora

[teal garden]

you should feel really proud of your 36 star

[timid zenith]

I know

It took a lot of time to do that

[teal garden]

truly you have some underlvl chara in an abyss that has some mechanism checks

[timid zenith]

I spent almost 6-7 hours doing it

[teal garden]

no easy feat (my poor lvl 50 barbara couldn't do it)

[timid zenith]

Ok so which all characters are under leveled that I need to work on

[teal garden]

raiden xiangling bennett fischl to 80 ascended and their dmg talents to 12, raiden eq to 9, fischl e to 12
raise fischl to 90 if you build agg team, but no need for a while
kuki to 90 definitely

http://www.yuhengcup.top/abyss

you can check 4.3 abyss here

hyperbloom or raiden national is still going to be fine second half but first half wants you to at least have a team to deal with hydro enemies (xiangling bennett good here, but bennett circle can cause you to take vaporize damage on the boss's hard attacks)

[timid zenith]

Shinobu lvl 90 done
Also raiden xiangling and Bennett already lvl 90

[teal garden]

talent levels?

[timid zenith]

6
11
12

For both

Fischl e can't be lvl 12 as I still have her c2

[teal garden]

ah that's fine

I think you'll be ok next cycle but chamber 3 could cause some resets due to survival issues

[timid zenith]

I suppose I have no answer for thunder currently right

Guess then building navia is the best option

[teal garden]

raiden national can brute force thunder manifestation actually, or a hyperbloom team

[timid zenith]

Wouldn't it stwal my dendro cores

[teal garden]

it does a little but its attacks are not that frequent

kuki's launching is fast enough that you don't have that many issues

[timid zenith]

I still don't have a c2 shinobu so I do have a period of 3s of nothing every 15 sec

[teal garden]

if you don't have her c2, build some er on her

make up for lack of E with ability to use burst

[timid zenith]

Ok

[timid zenith]

I don't think the hydro tulpa would be a problem since I can replace xingqui with zhongli with no loss of dps and even getting a boost because of the abyss blessings and then that shield could ensure my survivability

The major problem would be part 2

That Pyro eremite would trigger a lot of burgeons on a hyperbloom team

[teal garden]

replace xingqiu with zhongli in raiden national team would result in loss of dps (xingqiu's)

[timid zenith]

Isn't Hydro tulpa is immune to hydro

[teal garden]

yes, that means any variant of raiden national will mean you're fighting 12-3-1 with a 3 character team

depends on how quickly you can finish second half

2 waves isn't so bad

but if raiden-xiangling-bennett isn't cutting it you may want to do navia xiangling bennett zhongli with your acct

[timid zenith]

So it all come down to whether I can level up navia before the abyss or not

[teal garden]

well if you're farming golden troupe domain

you're getting navia and wrio pieces

so that's a resin efficient one to farm

and either navia or wriothesley would be able to deal damage first side on 4.3 abyss

[timid zenith]

Do you know of a non reisin way to get mora

[teal garden]

Weekly requests and bounties, elite enemies farming, mora unvestigation route

Teapot shop

Leyline overfliw events

[timid zenith]

So furina needs an hp% goblet over a hydro DMG bonus one right

Or it hydro dmg

[teal garden]

hp

[timid zenith]

Also for navia weapon which one is better
Skyward pride
The new event sword(r5)
Or sac greatsword(r5)

[teal garden]

skyward

her e cooldown is so short you never need sac

[timid zenith]

I thought the new event sword was better

[teal garden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1znCN_WT2ZaXxaVrSMi6CVpbGK3VR9ZEzWt3ymCn-0Z4/edit#gid=1601566532

[timid zenith]

What does dpr mean?

[teal garden]

damage per rotation

[timid zenith]

Can you pls tell me how does furina fanfare works

[teal garden]

she always starts with 0 fanfare when she uses burst, if you use burst before prev burst is over, it makes her start from 0 again. Once she starts counting fanfare, you gain fanfare points by hp% change whether through healing or through hp decrease. Fanfare points are converted to whole team dmg bonus% for teh whole team and it does not need to be snapshotted to work. During buff you'll get a graphic at equal increments of fanfare points with a sunburst animation if you max out fanfare for your constellation lvl.

for example, you can use xiangling burst before furina burst and you'll see xiangling's numbers go up ans furina stacks fanfare points

for another example, because fanfare points are based on %HP, a low level non-hp build character getting healed for 100% of their hp will get you 100 fanfare points from that character while the same amt can heal furina for 20% and get you 20 points from furina

[timid zenith]

So if I want to max out her fanfare points fast how could I do that

[teal garden]

use her EQ, if you're already a half hp from previous rotation you can use a fullteam healer and immediately get 200 points at c0 if the fullteam healer heals everyone to 100%, furina E will then keep draining whole team hp and push fanfare points higher

hp changing characters like wrio neuv will make furina build fanfare faster

[timid zenith]

Understood

Thanks

[timid zenith]

Just wanted to ask how is her build coming along?

[teal garden]

you don't have enough sources of crit rate here even with geo mc in the team

[timid zenith]

I can still get about 7% more cr since the sands isn't leveled up

[teal garden]

but since this is temporary it's not too bad

well you're looking for 20 more crit rate

for balance

[timid zenith]

However if I should change some artifacts then what should it be

[teal garden]

and navia will put cdmg higher

[timid zenith]

For 1:2 I guess

[teal garden]

lvl up the sands, and maybe consider switching to crit rate circlet depending on how things are doing

the goblet is very replaceable

[timid zenith]

But if I change cd to cr then wouldn't it cause a bit too excess of cr

And too low cd

[teal garden]

this is why you should lvl up the sands, calculate based on 80/90 navia (more cd) and consider switching out the goblet

[timid zenith]

What cr/cd should I aim at

Excluding her ascension cd

[teal garden]

w/o crit weapon 70/140 is achievable with navia

that said you can already start using her in abyss in this build, but this build really wants to be played with geomc

[timid zenith]

What does geo mc does that I would need him

Does he increase crit somehow?

[teal garden]

crit rate buff with burst

[timid zenith]

But wouldn't I need zhongli for survivability

[teal garden]

not really for navia

you nearly 100% of the time run her with bennett anyway

so you only need to not get interrupted so you can do damage

and she already doesnt' really get interrupted because of her crystallize mechanic

• melee poise

[timid zenith]

Aren't Crystalize shields kinda useless

[teal garden]

and geo mc also buffs poise

[timid zenith]

But if I do that I will not be able to use hyperbloom team

[teal garden]

that's overblown. when shields break the hit that breaks the shield will not stagger you

[timid zenith]

Wow never knew that

Btw is her er all right?

[teal garden]

yeah

esp with double geo

[timid zenith]

So she will need geomc

Even if I make her cr about 50%?

[teal garden]

would appreciate it yeah, esp since she's going to be a little short on crit rate on the current build. No need to spend a lot of resin on geo mc, prioritize their burst up time

[teal garden]

yeah geo mc gives you 10% crit rate when you're inside of their burst area

[timid zenith]

So it will make the total burst of 60% which will increase the chances of the crit

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

Well lete see if I can somehow increase her cr to about 60-70 without relying on geomc

It will drastically lower her cd though

[teal garden]

yeah so we currently have a new character in the game with a geo vision, chiori

and we know nothing about their kit

so we don't know if she will replace geo mc in a navia team

nor what it would mean for navia crit

[timid zenith]

I don't think chiori would be playable anytime soon

[teal garden]

since this is just a temp set I would say do your best here

your goals now is just to have some options for about 2 abyss cycles

after that you'll have new character releases and changes to abyss environment in any case

[timid zenith]

So I have been facing some bit of an issue with the character level books and hence wanted to ask what all ways can you get the character level books
Like is there any way to obtain them except the ley line blossom

[teal garden]

bp (even freebies) chests in overworld, events

killing enemies also level up your characters and sometimes can save you a few books

[timid zenith]

Freebies?

How much exp do you get per enemy

Also what teams would you recommend for the floor 12 of the current abyss now that it's finally out

[teal garden]

I haven't done the current one yet

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Pyro_Slime

as for exp they vary by enemy

elite class enemies will be more worth it to farm because they drop more exp, mora, and exile/instructor artifacts

[timid zenith]

How is this one then btw?

[teal garden]

useable soon (ascension and talent levels)

replace pieces as you go

[timid zenith]

Any idea how can I improve on this

[teal garden]

your characters are still a little under built for chamber 3 maybe

but chamber 2 is worth a try

do hyperbloom one side and raiden national another

hyperbloom driver can be navia or your best built dps

raiden national first side (xingqiu version), navia hyperbloom second side

chamber 2 appreciates geo second half but isn't necessary

chamber 3 you may want to experiment with flipping the teams

[timid zenith]

But chamber 3 isn't a problem

The problem is chamber 2

If I can just time it right I can do it afterall I just lost to chamber 3 by just 5 sec

[timid zenith]

Hyperbloom driver?

[teal garden]

the fourth or onfield character in a hyperbloom team

[timid zenith]

Also happy new year gella

[timid zenith]

In chamber 2 there is only one problem and that's those slimes

I never expected to say it but the hardest part is those geo slimes and their stupid geo shirld

[teal garden]

when used well slimes and whopper flowers can make raiden feel useless (

you may need to try different positioning to group the slimes either run to one side of them or try to group them into the wall

if you have enough dps you can brute force it, slime shields break pretty fast

the slimes and the specter also move towards you if you run behind them so the wall is to your back

[timid zenith]

Didn't understood

[teal garden]

one moment I'm in coop (

I'll be bak

[timid zenith]

So I also tried out chamber 3 a number to times but I clearly don't have enough dps for it currently I was trying to use
Kuki DMC yaoyao furina first half
Raiden national second half

Also one question does bloom has an ICD or can I make unlimited dendro cores on the hydro tulpa

[teal garden]

when you use the kuki team do you kill hydro tulpa's minion?

you may be able to squeeze some dps out if you do

[timid zenith]

I try why does it weaken it?

[teal garden]

hyperbloom has damage sequence limit of 2 hyperbloom per 0.5second. creating dendro core is limited by the icd of your dendro application

[timid zenith]

No I mean like if I use both yaoyao and DMC skills together does it mean I will make more cores cause the tulpa is permanent hydro so any dendro that touches it is instant bloom

[teal garden]

yes the minions buff the boss so the boss takes less damage from you

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Hydro_Tulpa

[teal garden]

yes if you use yaoyao and dmc together you make more cores

[timid zenith]

I see

[timid zenith]

But still how do I deal with those damn slimes

[teal garden]

moving to these locations can help you group slimes and specters

the slime and specter will move towards you and you can break all the slime shields at once. Slimes will bounce backwards away from your character once you start damaging them so you want to act fast

[timid zenith]

If the shields are down I trust raiden national to destroy it in seconds

[teal garden]

yes

[timid zenith]

Also does the current abyssal moon increase hyperbloom dmg

[teal garden]

no

[timid zenith]

So are these teams good

Also I just can understand why is everyone saying that this abyss is easier than the last

[teal garden]

I think they have a strong chance in 3starring chamber 2 but chamber 3 could be a bit tricky (chamber 3 is the stalling chamber)

yeah it is, you don't have to kill absolutely every wave in the same moment

[timid zenith]

Personally I think that chamber 3 is all about how fast I can take down that tulpa

[teal garden]

yes

which is why I think you should experiment with killign the minion sometimes

[timid zenith]

Maybe it might give me the needed time

In my best run I was just late by 5 sec

[teal garden]

especially when the minion is the near the boss, just dash and kill the minion and dash back

[timid zenith]

The boss gains the buff only when it absorbs right

So why not just kill the minions when it starts doing that

[teal garden]

when there's a minion boss has 55% resistance

[timid zenith]

Oh

That's the very reason why it took that much time

I will make sure I take down the minions then

[timid zenith]

So I am sure of one thing hyperbloom team cNt take down the tulpa

One question does wriothsely attack count as a heavy atk

[timid zenith]

Just a question what if I use a team kinda like this?

https://youtu.be/1oAOtgBrZ6s?si=z5z04ejt7kuhCHAn

[timid zenith]

I was able to get 3 stars on chamber 2 as well

The only thing left now is chamber 3

What teams should I use for that

[teal garden]

his CA is blunt

[teal garden]

navia geomc xiangling bennett will do fine this abyss

[timid zenith]

So I just checked my geo mc and unfortunately he isn't built at all

So what team should I use currently for the hydro tulpa

My team roster
Currently planning to use raiden national second half and need a team for the first half
Also if I use raiden national first half I can easily do the tulpa in about 1.5 minutes but then I have nothing for the second half

I did try the hyperbloom team there but isn't wasn't much useful

[teal garden]

navia beidou fischl albedo? the issue here will be the electro shields but you can brute force them

navia albedo furina jean also works

[timid zenith]

Second half right

[teal garden]

yup

[timid zenith]

However I still haven't leveled up navias talents

Also her final ascension is lacking

[teal garden]

it is only the first day of new abyss

you can kind of take the team there to see what happens?

and then decide how far off it feels

[timid zenith]

Yeah I can try it once

[timid zenith]

So I lost it by only 15 sec or so

[teal garden]

that's...not bad!

[timid zenith]

So should I try to just try for more perfection or just build navia a bit more and then try again

[teal garden]

probably both

ascending navia will get you some power pretty fast

but 15sec may also get compressed with better positioning/rotations

don't get burned out lol it is still the first day of abyss

[timid zenith]

Ok

But honestly navia is pretty broken she has almost no talents but is still able to give me 80k per max charge

[timid zenith]

Is there a way to know when navias charges are maxed??

[teal garden]

yes there is a visual: you have 3 small bullets for the first 3 stacks and small bullets start turning into big bullets for stacks 4 to 6

[timid zenith]

No when navia isn't on field

[teal garden]

wait you do, you get a brief flash ofthe bullets

when you gain a stack

[timid zenith]

Is razor a good character to build??

[teal garden]

you have enough on field electros that he's not going to do much

you have yae and keqing

and kuki for hyperbloom

[timid zenith]

I don't have yae and keqing

[teal garden]

wait sorry let me check pins

I think I mixed up your roster in my memory

[timid zenith]

I seriously want a keqing though

[teal garden]

you have cyno I see

so the gameplay for razor and cyno is going to be pretty similar

battery until burst and weave E and normal attacks until it runs out or you have enough energy to swap off

and cyno does higher damage

[timid zenith]

So it would be better to build cyno then?

[teal garden]

between the 2 of them yes

but for this abyss not so much

[timid zenith]

I was actually thinking more about the 4.4 abyss

[teal garden]

the tulpa side is not good for dendro teams and you also can't superconduct reliably on hydro enemies

[timid zenith]

Afterall I still have to take my revenge against that serpent

[teal garden]

4.4 abyss you want to put teams with flexible rotations (navia, hyperbloom etc) on the boss side because all the bosses are stalling bosses with dps-windows

so cyno if you built him likely would be on the side where you already have a decent number of teams

[timid zenith]

So it won't be worth it to build cyno currently

Ok

So whom should I build now

[teal garden]

not for abyss at least

where do you feel lacking

[timid zenith]

Scara?

[teal garden]

the anemo serpent has high anemo resistance

[timid zenith]

Lacking as such I feel I take way too much time

[timid zenith]

I meant the chasm serpent