setting optimizer | Wangsheng Funeral Parlor | Genshin Impact | Page 1

violet dock Dec 3, 2023, 3:37 AM

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@shy thistle @brittle mulch here it is peepoBlushReallyHappyDank

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 3:38 AM

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I'm ehre

violet dock Dec 3, 2023, 3:38 AM

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i'll be emotional support peepoRose

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 3:38 AM

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hello slush what are you trying to set up

violet dock Dec 3, 2023, 3:38 AM

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slush can explain better but from what i understood, they tried to use optimizer before but struggled to set it up

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 3:40 AM

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we can try doing that again. Usually it's better when we're both online and I can post screenshots of how a set up should look like on optimizer

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has slush uploaded their account to it yet?

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inventory kamera work

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 3:41 AM

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did before but it's about 6 or so patches outdated since I last booted it up

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since my ganyu is still on prototype crescent on the site but I got aqua and Yelan C1 back from 3.4 reruns

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work night shifts the next 5 nights though so not available during those times but usually am in the next 10 hours for around 1-4 hours of the day before repeating the cycle

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 3:42 AM

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for ganyu in a melt team I think the set up could be fairly quick. You can optimize towards her CA and only need to set up talents and team buffs

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ah ok, we can make it a long term thing and keep this thread open over multiple days or weeks if we need to

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 3:43 AM

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thankfully saved a good chunk of decent WT over the years so can check those out whenever

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 3:43 AM

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give me a moment I'll post ganyu set ups (but I need to go put bread in the oven before they spill over, so the screenshot could take a little bit)

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 3:43 AM

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I'll be heading out myself for work in 5 mins anyways so no rush to do all this for now

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 4:15 AM

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If you're adding a new character you can use image 1 (character tab -> "add character" button) to add a character manually.
Once you have a character on optimizer database, make sure you set their character level and weapon on image 2 before using optimizer

Then, set up Ganyu's talent levels.

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select item 4 means you're optimizing her second Charged Attack onwards. Selecting this is fine for most purposes but if you're using a multi-target that calculates her whole rotation (E 3CA) then you'd turn this off and set up the crit rate in multi-target instead. For now we'll turn it on.

item 5 leave it alone for traditional melt ganyu. We use it for freeze ganyu mostly and use multi-target instead of burn-melt ganyu.

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Then set up her team buffs. Bennett's artifact buff and burst buff should be selected. zhongli's shield should be selected. Adding xiangling here gives you pyro resonance but none of her skills need to be selected. If you use a different artifact configuration (archaic petra zhongli, instructor bennett, noblesse xiangling) then this page would look a little different.

After this you're ready to optimize

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select for melt reaction and AVG dmg (6)
raise minimum artifact level to 16 to help you save time (7)
you can assume mainstat level to be 20 if you have a bunch of promising +16's (8)
select all possible mainstat here, and unselect ones that are useless, again this helps you save time (9)
for wandering troupe ganyu you can enable all sets in item 10, but for some special sets (such as golden troupe, deepwood, gilded dream, you'll need to enable set bonuses through the gears button in item 10.

item 11: this is just to exclude pieces you already have on other characters, but for ganyu you can leave this alone.
item 12: often this is where you pick minimum ER targets. For ganyu, leave alone. If you want a little ER for burn-melt ganyu you'll set this here.

Then click "select an optimization target" and choose "Frostflake ARrow Bloom DMG"

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this will give you a pretty good approximation for melt ganyu

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click generate build, and you'll should have your results

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 7:10 AM

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This helps, the bare minimum I know was just adding my characters weapons and artifacts. Doing specific stuff like how the rotation is gonna go or what the artifacts should focus on for whatever playstyle I have no idea on when I tried 10 or so months ago

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Actually when also choosing level of artifacts and optimizing it gave pretty terrible junk for some of my characters like Mona and shenhe as two examples I can remember off the top of my head, ganyu one was alright but maybe even that was sub optimal for all I know

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 9:01 AM

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brittle mulch This helps, the bare minimum I know was just adding my characters weapons and ar...

we can do rotation stuff later if you like

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some characters really need rotations and multi-target to be optimized properly

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 9:02 AM

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if you up in uhh, 4ish hours we can try out the optimization stuff. Just gotta update kamera so it can gloss over all of artifacts weapons and such

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Since almost a year since last updated

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 9:03 AM

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ah I think our hours are maybe off by like 1~2 for when we're online

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so I may be up? I just odn't know XD;;;;;;

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 9:03 AM

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All good

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Thursday Friday my times when fully free over just the morning on my end

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 9:03 AM

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if I'm not around you can post a bunch of screenshots, or tell me which character you'd like to try next and I'll post a bunch of screenshots

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oh lovely we'll definitely be online together at some point thurs and fri

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 9:05 AM

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This was a quick half thought out thing I made a couple days ago, Lilith and I went through a handful of them like nahida yaoyao shenhe emblem users etc. but not everything of course

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Forgot the VV users too

Not gonna be instantly done cause of course would need a few thousand resin to get more pieces to try out luck when leveling for emblem MH golden troupe etc.

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 9:07 AM

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oh this is a good plan

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and for most of them we already have multi-targets available in kqm's library so you can copy their homework very quickly

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https://keqingmains.com/misc/multi-optimization/#35_Config_Entry_List

KQM

Genshin Optimizer Multi-Optimization Guide - KQM

The official KQM guide on multi-optimization with Genshin Impact Optimizer. Learn how to find your best builds in Genshin Impact here!

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link directly to the list of characters with multi target

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multi target in optimizer is for when characters have multiple sources of damage and they scale off different things or have very fast changing buffs
for example xiangling vaporizing some of her burst but not every hit, then this would change how much em matters in her optimization target

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whenever you're doing reaction damage you want to consider multi target

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we should use xiangling as a next example actually

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where you do the set up as normal, and then copy this bit of code into optimizer here:

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 9:11 AM

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Think I might have that old keqing code you posted awhile back, would have to check on pc when I get off work

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 9:12 AM

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click multi optimization target -> "add new" -> paste the code from the black screenshot into this box

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and you're done

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don't worry poke around, you can have me look it over in screenshots after

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 1:17 PM

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alright back from work, gonna eat first do other gacha rq then genshin last which doesn't take long since it's just using up stamina

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 2:44 PM

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tried looking for a code in a ganyu freeze team but only took me to this, guess there isn't a homework code to mess with but this works too I think
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=2C74D686BA68C89E!5914&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AG97wxM462loDrw

Monocryo Shenhe Weapons.xlsx

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however the numbers all over the place I'm not 100% on what is what

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHPrV7HDbY
even though I haven't been doing melt c6 ganyu teams, seeing these damage numbers makes me sad cause I don't get those in freeze of course lol

YouTube

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C6 Ganyu - Shenhe - Jean - Bennett Full General Rotation

Ganyu EQ
Shenhe (tE)Q
Bennett Q
Jean (E)Q
Shenhe hE
Ganyu CA ECAs

Shenhe tE's only available for C1+ Shenhe users, and both it and Jean E during the setup can be skipped for quicker frontload in one rotation scenarios

▶ Play video

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not entirely sure if I set everything right from what all I could remember awhile back but here's this attempt at using optimizer
giving I think an older build I used to have by having the shimenawa mask I remember using before

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if more test subjects needed (artifacts) by strongboxing more BS VV and emblem to get a chunk of characters better optimized. I can use maybe 20 fragiles at most on GT domain and trash whatever I don't use. 20 prolly my limit cause I want at least 100 by the time arlecchino drops in 4.6. If she does at least

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otherwise for now if not needed, then it'd be nickel and diming artifacts for weeks to get a handful more of possible pieces maybe

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 3:23 PM

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don't know how helpers in this server feel about it, but what about jumping onto my account
think a small handful in here would jump on other people's accounts to do abyss, could maybe jump on account to do optimizing and such at a better rate than someone fumbling around artifact through artifact ingame on what'd be good or not

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for clarity, I changed my mhy PW to a temp one almost 2 years ago when I first kind of wanted help with abyss but yelan + raiden from her rerun during 2.4 or 5 I think helped me finally beat abyss and I've 36* since. 2nd xingqiu and having rational helped with everything
Then of course account from there is just pulling whoever else I feel like that'd make abyss still 36* for me

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:20 PM

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brittle mulch tried looking for a code in a ganyu freeze team but only took me to this, guess ...

for melt ganyu you can just use frostflake from second charged shot onwards

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are you using freeze ganyu instead?

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if you're optimizing for freeze ganyu you want to optimize for burst damage instead of CA. Freeze ganyu very rarely use charged shots

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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Yeah I did freeze ganyu and I think the build I had before was that Shimenawa mask and optimized for burst. Just for some reason imagined that 6 digits should at least show up for c6 as well but guess only with Bennett + melt

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:23 PM

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for freeze ganyu, give her about 130ER:

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:24 PM

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brittle mulch Yeah I did freeze ganyu and I think the build I had before was that Shimenawa ma...

6 figures is melt damage

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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Attempts were made for me with VV shenhe Mona to force hopefully 100k+ but not attainable I guess

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Didn’t hurt to try back then while sticking with the morgana team cause it’s comfy

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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for freeze ganyu, unless you have c1 shenhe, have her press skill twice instead of using hold skill

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 6:25 PM

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WT set we can try optimizing since I have some good pieces laying around or possible ones at 0-6

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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sure!

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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have to be whenever both on tho, just turned off pc to sleep for work later tonight

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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but actually if you're using freeze ganyu you want to use multi target instead of just a single burst damage or ca

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sure no prob

brittle mulch Dec 3, 2023, 6:26 PM

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shy thistle for freeze ganyu, unless you have c1 shenhe, have her press skill twice instead ...

Don’t know when her rerun will happen but a c1 shenhe would be nice

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Did c1 yelan just for comfort

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ER basically, can be the same for shenhe

shy thistle Dec 3, 2023, 6:27 PM

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yes

brittle mulch Dec 7, 2023, 1:46 PM

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off now, I'll see if I'm busy today cause I might need to do something. If not free for today, then tomorrow and I guess technically saturday till 10 pm cst we can try

shy thistle Dec 8, 2023, 8:52 AM

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Sure

brittle mulch Dec 9, 2023, 1:38 PM

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while I needed the crit rate circlet so my jean's fav can actually proc, I've noticed without the Healing bonus one I can't get max fanfare stacks as much anymore like I could back then before the switch. Hopefully I get better VV sets eventually while strongboxing

brittle mulch Dec 13, 2023, 4:07 PM

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just to bump this back up for me, think when the patch hits in a week it could be a good time to go artifact digging again. QoL stuff to make navigating everything easier along with finding stats they'll have and weeks of GT/MH farming by then

shy thistle Dec 13, 2023, 11:05 PM

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good

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threads don't have to be bumped on discord. we'll keep it open for you for several weeks since this is for optimizer help and it sounds like you'll want to come back and revisit it for a while

brittle mulch Dec 14, 2023, 3:29 AM

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in terms of discord the thread disappears at least unless you right click it
discord has the right idea but execution is nowhere near like actual forums is all

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nukes it on the side of channels is all

violet dock Dec 14, 2023, 4:46 AM

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brittle mulch in terms of discord the thread disappears at least unless you right click it dis...

i believe you can still search for it as long as staff doesn't close it? there is also an option to search for it by name

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so even if it disappears from channel's list it's still easily accessible

brittle mulch Dec 16, 2023, 3:02 PM

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by disappear I just meant it doesn't show on the left side, just a bit of discord navigation nonsense but otherwise yeah still there

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been getting ok pieces lately but just missing the mark here or there still rolling into usual feels bad stats, VV pieces so my jean can get fixed is not going well though. Almost tempted to use 25 fragiles on GT domain and leave the other 75 once arlecchino drops for her set most likely. I'll see how I feel next week especially once 4.4 beta starts, now to 4.6 will give back those 25 fragiles from patches and the fontaine once we can max it in 4.6

shy thistle Dec 16, 2023, 6:24 PM

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No worries. Getting good lvl zeros take time E_KEKpat

brittle mulch Dec 21, 2023, 7:50 PM

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while it's not artifact loadouts still and mhy is skirting around it for some reason, the QoL for leveling, quicker UI and everything else is still pretty nice
anyways artifact luck still mostly bad but just got this nice piece maybe for fischl or furina

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days off + new patch, so maybe later tonight/technically tomorrow I'll be up after I sleep for the day

shy thistle Dec 22, 2023, 4:19 AM

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hey congrats on the piece

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tonight I'm up tomorrow I'm out until evening

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but if I'm not around post your q's I'll def see them

brittle mulch Dec 22, 2023, 1:42 PM

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late but unfortunate turn of events, might dig into my arlecchino f2p funds to get CR if she works well with my ganyu/shenhe team but I nuked all my VV pieces back from the last session we did going through artifacts lmao

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damn

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which had a lot of atk pieces with CD CR

violet dock Dec 22, 2023, 2:15 PM

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“i will never need crit vv i don’t plan to pull anemo that needs crit” peepoSadBlanket

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time to strongbox again

brittle mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:46 PM

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not sure how much field time CR would need cause it's only week 1 of the beta but yeah at least for new she just needs triple atk and ER, no idea if she'd like crit rate and dmg too lul

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though it seems like while I was strongboxing last few weeks I've gotten some pretty lucky pieces
always when you're looking for EM ER for VV or emblem and you get other stats instead. so many CD CR flat or % atk actually, nvm I'm good somewhat if I go for cloud retainer lol

shy thistle Dec 23, 2023, 3:23 AM

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still kind of early to say

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but if you consider shenhe, another flat damage buffer

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she appreciates as much crit in substat as you can get after er needs are met

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I don't know xianyun's scaling and team rotations yet, so don't know what her contribution to team damage looks like

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idk, good crit vv pieces are still good to keep around. crit jean is still a decent slot in even if not top choice most of the time

brittle mulch Jan 6, 2024, 3:12 PM

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been a couple weeks but CR not looking too good so guess a skip
as for artifact farming, I don't think I'm getting upgrades but getting decent pieces I can show that's level 20 whenever I want to do this. Maybe tomorrow

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the MH pieces been kind somewhat so a noelle build maybe when paired with furina

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dunno on who the other two teammates would be though, no c6 gorou or a zhongli on my account

shy thistle Jan 6, 2024, 10:09 PM

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sounds good, if you have questions just post them here

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noelle furina yunjin gorou

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noelle yelan furina fischl

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all work

brittle mulch Jan 7, 2024, 11:19 AM

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does the cons matter for yunjin, gorou not sure on that either but only have c1 as I don't pull on itto banners

shy thistle Jan 7, 2024, 11:23 AM

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brittle mulch does the cons matter for yunjin, gorou not sure on that either but only have c1 ...

c0 still can replace bennett, c6 definitely outbuffs bennett

shy thistle Jan 7, 2024, 11:23 AM

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brittle mulch does the cons matter for yunjin, gorou not sure on that either but only have c1 ...

if you're playing itto or noelle with albedo c0 gorou is already good, but the buff you get at c6 is very good

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yunjin however is almost a dedicated yoimiya teammate, so if you don't play NA attackers on field her priority isn't super high

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as a liyue character there's been a pattern of a free pick your own liyue character every year during lantern rite event

brittle mulch Jan 7, 2024, 11:25 AM

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I generally just choose the new 4* when that happens

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yunjin 2nd year, yaoyao 3rd and now gaming 4th

shy thistle Jan 7, 2024, 11:25 AM

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yeah that's fine. collecting feels fantastic

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if you want to discuss gaming kit vs yunjin cons when the time comes we can too, or just pick gaming according to your choice pattern

brittle mulch Jan 7, 2024, 11:26 AM

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don't think I'll build him, just mostly collection somewhat yeah

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no hurry for a c6 yunjin either since I don't have yoimiya on this account or ayato who I think she's mostly used with

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could maybe do an hour or two of artifact stuff, hopefully get a few jean upgrades and maybe a full set going on noelle
don't think the GT pieces went well over these weeks to upgrade furina or fischl set

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only did emblem once or twice when converting 39 but not much there either

shy thistle Jan 7, 2024, 11:32 AM

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do you want to do a voice chat sometime during day time? (it's 3am for me lol and walls are thin)

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or you can post some pictures of builds and pieces you want looked over

brittle mulch Jan 7, 2024, 11:32 AM

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yeah it's 5 am here and I was half asleep since I was out earlier but I can wait till later

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:00 AM

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was falling asleep but decided screw it, do artifact junk, I been putting it off too long
you up to doing quick stuff for jean noelle and whoever else gella or busy

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:06 AM

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sure post them

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:07 AM

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oh mostly meant dig through the artifacts to thin it all out, otherwise got some other jean pieces maybe, I'm not entirely sure

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:07 AM

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probably not able to voice/chat but if you're ok picking out the pieces you want for these characters we can look at them

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may be easier accompanying screenshots with some desc like what builds you're going for in which teams

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jean specifically is a very flexible character

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noelle these days has 2 dps builds whose ER changes based on whether you're running triple geo or furina driver (single geo)

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:08 AM

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MH noelle with furina and whatever other two slots can be

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shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:09 AM

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both these pieces are good, keep

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:09 AM

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main stats on sands and cup though not sure what'd be better, think awhile back I recall furina enabling atk% goblets over elemental goblets

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:09 AM

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how many geos are you running in the team?

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you can do noelle gorou furina yunjin/albedo

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or noelle furina fischl/yelan/xingqiu/etc

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:10 AM

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don't have albedo but c5 yunjin and I think c1 gorou

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but those two aren't built really

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been saving goblets with HP def (if noelle calcs show DEF > atk > element or something in furina teams) or usual elemental ones like pyro physical etc.

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geo one didn't roll well sadly

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:11 AM

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this one is a little iffy but if that's the best you got use it

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if you're using

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this is assuming you switch out of noelle's burst to funnel energy back into her on the skill cooldowns of gorou and yunjin

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noelle can build 150~170ish ER

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:13 AM

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so ER over defense for dps noelle's

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:14 AM

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yes ER until you meet her needs

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:14 AM

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imagine it's CD/CR > atk or geo > ER

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:14 AM

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what cons is noelle?

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:14 AM

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6

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:14 AM

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look for def sands

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you can feed the 7% atk sands if you need the exp

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:15 AM

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I thankfully have a large chunk of exp to kill since the month or so of artifact farming

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but EM sadly for the MH def piece

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:15 AM

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pretty good

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if you can't meet er with subst use fav great sword at mid to high refine

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:16 AM

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atk and cr only, damn oh well

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think I have high refine

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:16 AM

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good piece

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since you're using furina

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you can choose between def goblet or geo goblet

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whichever completes the builds better (er) or end up with better crits

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:18 AM

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unlucky rolls, MH piece too

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:18 AM

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keep it for now until you complete the build

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maybe try some def circlets

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do you have mh feather?

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if you do you can be pretty flexible with your goblet

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:20 AM

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yeah I just used another geo goblet from emblem set

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MH gives 36% right

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:21 AM

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not bad, if this is without fav then you're all set

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:21 AM

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it's with, her def bit low but I guess it's not too important

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:21 AM

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her rotation will be pretty comfortable with this

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:22 AM

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guess jean possible fix up now

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:22 AM

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yes let's see her stuff

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what team do you want her to be in?

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:23 AM

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Now that I think about it, good question
I was using dehya furina bennett jean, but jean probably not needed when bennett there for batterying dehya and some healing

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freeze team has venti for anemo and mona for my freezing since no kokomi, so not even furina ganyu team

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guess I just wanted her built for another team if any

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:24 AM

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hm in that team jean is there to for sunfire, so to guarantee that furina can vaporize her crab hits

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so you would still want her there and if you switch anyone out, switch dehya

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:25 AM

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does her healing scale with atk

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wait I can check that myself, yeah
ok guess it's atk sands and goblet but the circlet what I wasn't sure on

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CR seems good so fav can actually proc but there's definitely less instances of fanfare hitting max cause not on HB circlet

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then ER of course needed too, despite being on an easy support set like VV she needs a bit of everything

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:27 AM

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if you build her for sunfire build her full em-er, with fairly high ER: go for minimum 170 but ideally as close to 200 just in case

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but if you want her to heal a lot: er/atk/healing or atk/atk/healing for highest healing

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she can use energy swords like fav or r5 amenoma

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which will lower her er needs

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:28 AM

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yeah I'd just have her mostly on healing duty

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:28 AM

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your furina is c0 right?

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:28 AM

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yeah furina c0

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:28 AM

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pretty good

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:30 AM

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are these low rolls for EM/ER since I have this saved for some reason
guess cause sucrose venti but I have better pieces. gonna toss this and try for another feather that's a level 0 4 liner

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not entirely sure for the low and high rolls for other stats outside of cd cr

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:31 AM

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brittle mulch are these low rolls for EM/ER since I have this saved for some reason guess caus...

this is a pretty good piece for em-er

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I'd keep the em-er vv piece for other vv users if you're not building jean em-er

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a lot of them can use it: sucrose, kazuha, c6 sayu, heizou

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:35 AM

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sucrose probably the only one that can maybe use it but at the same time could maybe upgrade her too, have some wild pieces on her that most likely isn't needed

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like a feather I think with 28% CD

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yeah 28

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no kazuha, sayu been c0 forever and heizou c1 only but probably not gonna build him ever

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:35 AM

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put the new piece on sucrose

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higher ER and em

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I'd keep the cdmg piece for a while tho

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:37 AM

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so put the EM ER one over 28 CD? alright

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quick comparison for the flower

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sucrose c6 on sac frags so I don't know if more ER needed since 3 E's but only 3 EM lost

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:38 AM

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in hydro taser and dendro-taser teams sucrose can use her burst

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and you want somewhere around 160ish for it (let me check)

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:39 AM

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157% guess a bit more ER doesn't hurt

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after the switch, so guess she was almost at 152% before, slightly below

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:40 AM

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wait no, 150 is fine

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hm actually put her back on the cdmg one then

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since you already have enough ER (assuming dendro taser with nahida)

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:41 AM

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yeah either been doing hydro taser or dendro taser

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almost 900 EM

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:42 AM

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looks good

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save the 9ER one for kazuha if you plan on pulling at some point

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:45 AM

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still too early or do people have an idea on chevreuse build, don't have yoimiya or anything but might be needed for arlecchino or chlorinde down the line since she's pryo and all

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Noblesse set or Totm

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:45 AM

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the thing with chev is that if you use her in a team with bennett (and a lot of her teams do) he's usually already using noblesse

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if you don't have a noblesse user, give her noblesse

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if your team can snapshot the 3sec of tenacity buff then tenacity is fine on her esp if there already is a noblesse user

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xiangling beidou and fischl can snapshot it

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otherwise you can put a healer set on her or mix and match between healer and hp

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:49 AM

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I unfortunately don't have many healer sets (clam) cause I never farmed that domain since I never pulled albedo or itto while noelle didn't farm that domain either since I think back then people used 4 pc glad anyways

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new healing set also do not have, no navia

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I'll probably do some clam pieces then after finishing some other characters

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:49 AM

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then you can forego set bonuses and just use mainstats

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out of strongbox, 2tenacity 2emblem is fine, or 2tenacity 2healing

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don't need to spend a lot of resin on this

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:51 AM

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yeah not a high prio, just moreso set pieces that'd be good for her maybe in the future

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guess for the most part for real anemo units (venti sucrose jean) good for now unless down the line check them out again. Gonna trash some stuff for emblem pieces hopefully for minor or big upgrades for the 20 units that uses the set

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furina doesn't go for HP circlet right, cause the GT pieces for fischl and furina I somewhat forgot about for some upgrades

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shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:56 AM

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I sitll tend to keep hp/def/atk double crit pieces until you have a bunch of them

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 10:56 AM

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same for atk% for fischl on circlet

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 10:57 AM

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Furina herself and her crit build teammates can do hp/hp/crit and atk/atk/crit

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but hp double crit piece, you can put this on chev

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and since double crits are still hard to come by I generally still hoard them

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:10 AM

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ok 4 tries at the strongbox gave me a better upgrade at least. Raiden was on the right one before. Now on set

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wait think wrong one

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was this one but funny enough that other gilded piece looks better than the one she has now cause of ER and atk% lol

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how does raiden and ER work again, was it increasing her own damage or everyone else's

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:13 AM

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raiden's own ER buffs her own damage up to a point and you also need her burst back on time so that her on field attacks batteries the rest of her teammates

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her E is what buffs everyone else's bursts based on the energy cost of their bursts

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what weapon is your raiden on, and what is her ER now with the 12% ER piece

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is it catch? if so you only need about 210~240ER

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so if you have that you can go with the 10% crit rate piece

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:15 AM

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catch r5

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honestly her stats are dogwater now that I see it after iunno how long

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:15 AM

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ok her crit rate is on the low end

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give her the high crit rate piece

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:15 AM

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been focused somewhat on xiangling xingqiu dehya and yelan in terms of emblem users

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:17 AM

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unless there is a personal fav reason I would focus on dehya a little less and focus on raiden a bit more. Except this abyss which dehya does well in 12-3-1

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:17 AM

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fav reason for dehya, and c1

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so not c0 where she's completely useless but a tad bit better

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:18 AM

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hm, given that raiden's stats are the way they are

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consider crit rate circlet instead then

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that way your damage will be a bit more consistent

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the new cdmg circlet is still a good one in the long run

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:23 AM

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critting half the time a bit better

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:24 AM

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nicer

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:25 AM

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think maybe drop 20 or 25 fragiles in GT domain and turn the trash into emblem cause all 5 or 6 of the emblems users are pretty average or below average

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have around 800ish artifacts, a lot locked most likely still lol

shy thistle Jan 12, 2024, 11:25 AM

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not a bad plan

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you'll be able to build a lot of characters that way

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I would consider the raiden above to be done for a good long while

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hey slush I'm headed to bed but I'll check messages in the morning before I leave

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if you have questions just leave 'em here

brittle mulch Jan 12, 2024, 11:31 AM

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yeah might go sleep myself

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I'll prolly do the fragiles later today

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most likely just try to upgrade fischl furina cause of GT and noelle MH + whoever else can use the set

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then the trash for emblem, which is like 6+ characters that I actually use in abyss

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beidou yelan dehya raiden xq xl, most likely a couple others I'm forgetting

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so that can be another time

brittle mulch Jan 28, 2024, 9:30 AM

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I got some really good pieces tonight so think I wanna try trimming down the GT and MH pieces for units that can use them if anyone's awake, though realistically for GT just minor improvements for furina fischl since they use that set. Dunno who else, maybe optimization site needed when more focused on only a handful of units

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stocking up on too many 0 4 and 20 pieces now

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well a nice chunk at least

shy thistle Jan 28, 2024, 10:07 AM

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4pc gt: albedo, E bot yae, fischl
2pc gt: all of the above including navia

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unfortunately I'm headed to bed soon but if you don't mind a delay in answers you can post some screenshots with the context for what you want advice on and I'll get to all of them tomorrow

brittle mulch Jan 29, 2024, 10:41 AM

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fish furina all I got, don't think I'll ever pull those other 3.
thought I hit enter yesterday

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wanted to maybe do VC so it's much easier to shift through artifacts real time over needing to constantly screenshot stuff I guess

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that and uploading multiple screens in one post condenses it hard

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would turn into flooding the chat

shy thistle Jan 29, 2024, 10:18 PM

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brittle mulch fish furina all I got, don't think I'll ever pull those other 3. thought I hit e...

I'd gone to bed by this message. If you prefer a vc we can do one maybe several hours earlier in the night or schedule a time on a weekend or on my lunch break? Otherwise i remember you have gotten started scanning your artifacts into optimizer and i can send you fischl and furina's optimization targets. I need to knowbfurina's cons and teams tho

shy thistle Jan 31, 2024, 2:01 AM

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slush are you available right now?

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I'm free for the next sev hours

brittle mulch Jan 31, 2024, 2:22 PM

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I have been constantly forgetting to respond to the @, sorry lmao
my work week started so been doing that

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I'll have time friday, especially since new patch. Most of the gacha around this time reaching the end of their events or starting another half of a patch that I'm keeping up with (5 of them) but genshin alone on new patch so gonna be on that the next few days

brittle mulch Jan 31, 2024, 2:25 PM

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shy thistle I'd gone to bed by this message. If you prefer a vc we can do one maybe several ...

but yeah I prefer VC, mostly cause it's much easier to shift through artifacts and point out the bad and good ones in a jiffy. Otherwise schedules seems to be all over the place.
nightshift and Sun-Thursday leaking into Friday morning but for now schedule reset for some reason so it's sat-wed/thurs morning. Otherwise I have friday free

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with all the 4s and 20s I've been doing last two months from the GT/MH domain, might need to do another scan but the last one I did was at least somewhat recent but now all the good, great or even terrible ones I've been getting still needs to get scanned so prolly will do that friday

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furina c0 and teams I think I'll want to use her in dehya and noelle

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not sure what else in terms of my account. a ganyu freeze team with furina being the sole hydro but with no healer seems sketch so maybe not that

shy thistle Jan 31, 2024, 5:13 PM

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brittle mulch I'll have time friday, especially since new patch. Most of the gacha around this...

no prob I'll check friday to see if you wanna do vc.

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and will do a quick check on team and builds before going into mh/gt pieces

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typically friday I'm going to be free either for an hour-ish during noon to early afternoon PST or after like 7:30pm PST

brittle mulch Feb 2, 2024, 3:02 PM

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I'm CST so free friday and saturday but for friday I have no idea when I'll sleep. maybe like 1-5 pm or so since that's usually when I sleep before work and schedule/body still used to that during the week, saturday the times when it's whenever and whatever time I'm awake or asleep

shy thistle Feb 2, 2024, 6:20 PM

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brittle mulch I'm CST so free friday and saturday but for friday I have no idea when I'll slee...

today 1~5pm cst? I'm going to be gone for 2~3 hours more from right now but I'll check if you're available when I get a lunch break. If not I'll check in the evening otherwise we can try again sat

brittle mulch Feb 2, 2024, 6:21 PM

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I'll see if I'm available in a few hours cause no idea if I'll be asleep or not by then cause of natural fatigue

shy thistle Feb 2, 2024, 9:48 PM

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brittle mulch I'll see if I'm available in a few hours cause no idea if I'll be asleep or not ...

Slush you here? My wifi MAY be a bit spotty but we can try vc

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Otherwise ill just eat my lunch and catch up on other stuff and check again in probably 5 to 6 hr

brittle mulch Feb 2, 2024, 9:50 PM

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5 or 6 hrs prolly

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busy for the next hour, I'll prolly sleep for 5ish hours then can try later tonight for a couple hours

shy thistle Feb 2, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Sure

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 4:34 AM

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alright checking in again you want to do it today?

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@brittle mulch

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 4:36 AM

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was just pulling myself out of bed a bit ago lol

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I'm down, but loading up pc

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 4:37 AM

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your schedule is crazy (

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 4:37 AM

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I have no artifact exp in terms of 1-4 star so if I wanted to try and test the waters with some new pieces, would have to trash locked or failed 4-20 pieces

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yeah night shift and 4-6 hours sleep generally how it goes

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even off days to "enjoy" them I sleep the same amount sometimes

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maybe 2nd day I'll do 12+ hours sleep sometimes

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 4:38 AM

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brittle mulch I have no artifact exp in terms of 1-4 star so if I wanted to try and test the w...

yeah we'll review some builds and then look through some pieces.

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 4:39 AM

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I might do a quick scan real quick for my current artifacts actually

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 4:40 AM

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sure

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 4:44 AM

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Dunno how long it’ll take to scan, maybe 5 or 10 mins but doing that right now

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 4:44 AM

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yeah that's fine I'm using optimizer rn to answer questions in main chat

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 4:44 AM

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Thankfully even when updating, I generally just delete old folder and download new one it saves my settings for name wanderer and the rarity for weapons and artifacts

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Forgot it needed to shift through all the cons so longer than I thought lmao

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course artifacts taking up a chunk of time too

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Gonna get a drink while this scans

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k done

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took longer than I thought

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:04 AM

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alright I'll start the call

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:04 AM

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which channel in the server

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:04 AM

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genshin help hotline

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:29 AM

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Teams that need slight optimization

Dehya - furina - Bennett ??? (1) (hyper carry dehya)
Noelle - Furina + ??? (2) (noelle main dps) [optimize noelle MH pieces]
Ganyu - shenhe + venti/mona ? (2) (freeze) [optimize for ganyu shenhe mona]

Separate characters (1 or 2) that could use small optimization
Emblem units prio from the Emblem pieces so far - Dehya > Yelan > Raiden > Xingqiu > Xiangling > > beidou (best stuff on dehya first since optimize might steal from others, not sure how to lock)
Fischl - (support for an aggravate or taser team, slot in either of the two)
Anemo units - jean venti sucrose (optimize better VV pieces)
Keqing aggravate (TF pieces all over the place, optimize)
Nahida/yaoyao - support for whichever teams (million DW pieces I believe leveled up still)
Bennett (default using Noblesse but most likely can do better for a general everything support)
Rosaria
Kuki
Layla
Chevreuse
Dori
listed in order of priority somewhat

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hu tao I maybe could work on with MH if that's a new better set for her but if CW still better for her and diluc, definitely not farming/strongboxing that anytime soon
once I get close to 1.8k artifacts again I'm gonna strongbox emblem

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teams I listed aren't concrete either, if there's a better ganyu freeze team over venti mona I'm game to change like furina in her umpteenth team

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as one example

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:34 AM

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brittle mulch **Teams that need slight optimization** Dehya - furina - Bennett ??? (1) (hyper...

dehya furina bennett xiangling. with jean dehya's ER is not enough to get burst on cooldown.
noelle furina yelan xingqiu/fischl is actually a very strong team and you're all set to play it
ganyu shenhe venti mona is fine but can be a bit slow against floors where enemies are not easily grouped by venti or there's a single enemy with a lot more hp than a bunch of minions. But still doable.

I'll get to the emblem and fischl anemo units right now and go down the list. emblem is going to be a bit slower since it's going to be moving a lot of pieces and characters around lol

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:34 AM

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brittle mulch **Teams that need slight optimization** Dehya - furina - Bennett ??? (1) (hyper...

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the ganyu freeze team you already have is already the best for this account. But these days ganyu can play shenhe ganyu kazuha zhongli in a style that is more like melt

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:35 AM

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would the fischl build need to change around for reaction based and into a geo/noelle team

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:35 AM

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brittle mulch would the fischl build need to change around for reaction based and into a geo/n...

only atk sands and making sure she has enough ER

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130 ER fischl is for like
xingqiu yaoyao fischl thoma
tighnari fischl nahida zhongli

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if you play double electro fischl most of the time or in teams with a lot of fav procs your 118ER fischl is going to do just fine

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:41 AM

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I'd most likely try to use fischl in sucrose or dendro related teams

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dunno how many electro units is used for a nahida or keqing team

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sucrose easy since double electro but sucrose also has 3 E's so she generates decent energy

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idr but if the site gives better artifacts was it gonna apply them ingame or do I search myself for the pieces, not too keen on how the site functions entirely

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other dangerous method is also giving account info to mess with stuff yourself but I think I'd only do that after I spend every drop of primogem in 4.6 lol

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have had this "temp" password incase I was gonna have someone in here help with abyss back in like 2.4 or 5

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then I ended up clearing abyss myself in 2.7 and have since then but lazy on changing password back to one of my own

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:45 AM

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brittle mulch dunno how many electro units is used for a nahida or keqing team

I'm dumb, keqing is electro lol

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that'd be 2

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:45 AM

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using high agg and low agg (notice the ER difference between them) it seems like you may have some luck looking for the atk sands from any position as long as it has some ER

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:46 AM

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I don't have zhongli but I do have c6 collei

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for that team example

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or al

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:47 AM

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the zhongli team is just used as a proxy for taser (non agg) and low ag

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if you have a better atk sands the low agg should suggest atk sands instead (mine prefers atk sands for it)

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:52 AM

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ah alright just placeholder teams

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:52 AM

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this is what it recommends for dehya furina monopyro but I would actually suggest prioritizing buildign xiangling over dehya in terms of optimizer order

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her damage is going to be a lot more important

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xiangling build looks fine tho

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:54 AM

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huh, surprised that sands is better than the one I'm using

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good that xiangling is good, I honestly wasn't sure if scarlet sands was best for her or not

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have 2 of them at level 90 and idr if one is rotting away or not

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:55 AM

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good for her in vape and vapeload teams, statstick on monopyro but still works

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 5:55 AM

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but wanted to give them a use somehow so slapped that on XL

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 5:56 AM

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I'd put the other soss on hutao instead of pjws

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:00 AM

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brittle mulch huh, surprised that sands is better than the one I'm using

it could be the ER target I gave it. Even in triple pyro she needs a lot of ER

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:02 AM

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unfortunately yeah, bennett battery not enough even in abyss sometimes when cards give the 20% extra ER

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:03 AM

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yeah I'd switch to the higher er build and potentially reoptimize for 200 ER

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yelan optimized. this is without hydro resonance

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^ note this is raiden national, where atk gob can win over electro gob in an overall build

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brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:18 AM

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yeah I'd most likely use raiden for rational only
there is a time or two I try out 1k EM raiden but not often

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:19 AM

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shy thistle yeah I'd switch to the higher er build and potentially reoptimize for 200 ER

both the current and new sands are ER main but she's at 187% ER surprisingly just not 200% even with beacon as weapon

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should I start doing artifact switches now

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wasn't sure if these were saving the new pieces on the site or not

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the yelan stuff surprised it wants to get rid of CR on her unless the new goblet gives back the CR lost

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haven't checked yet

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unless it's an optimize cause solo so it prioritized more HP and ER

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sitting at 71% CR so losing 5 maybe won't kill her

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:23 AM

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you can see what you gained and lost here. more hp in exchange for cdmg

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:23 AM

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oh that's easier

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didn't know that's what it was on the side

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ah fuck the pain of losing 20% CD from the goblet piece but only 13% less I guess

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but if optimize says this is better

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guessing the extra HP flat and % given makes up for the cd damage loss

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:25 AM

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if I remember it's about 10% better for most of these characters

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yes actually yelan crit roll and hp roll are pretty similar for a good chunk of her investment level

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:28 AM

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I'll be honest in that while I think most of her damage scaled off HP, wasn't sure if investing too much in CD CR meant she'll deal less damage cause no HP subs

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:29 AM

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brittle mulch I'll be honest in that while I think most of her damage scaled off HP, wasn't su...

there's some wiggle room here since you're balancign her hp, crit, and er across different teams. If you turned on hydro resonance (which I didn't) you may get results that favor cdmg slightly more

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but you also play yelan as solo hydro in some teams

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2 beidou results, assuming weapon doesn't change and you're using her in fischl quickswap teams so her er can be as low as 140. This is why emblem hasn't been favored. If you start going higher ER need you may see results that favor emblem. Also looks like you are not yet playing beidou since she looks very unbuilt

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:32 AM

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I haven't done many yelan solo but it'd be interesting where she could land

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:32 AM

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that's about it for emblem users

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:32 AM

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interesting, so emblem isn't beidou best set
not that I mind I've only ever used her in sucrose taser

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like the character but never really thought of what teams to slot her in

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:33 AM

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brittle mulch interesting, so emblem isn't beidou best set not that I mind I've only ever used...

it's her best set in her higher ER builds. it depends on who you play her with and how comfortable you are with managing biedou's ER. For beginners I would suggest going slightly higher ER for comfort

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:34 AM

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brittle mulch like the character but never really thought of what teams to slot her in

sucrose beidou fischl xingqiu/yaoyao/nahida
nahida beidou thoma kokomi quickswap but whats slightly higher ER
beidou nahida kuki xingqiu (slightly higher ER than 140 for comfort)
beidou as cyno support or agg haitham support (also likely want higher ER)

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:35 AM

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first one is about the only team I've done, 3rd one I'll look at

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the 2nd build seems more geared towards EM/dendro I'm guessing

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:35 AM

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the result here also mean you just have good pieces from other sets where their substat ended up out doing what a 140ER emblem set could do that's all

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:35 AM

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unless it's fine for taser too

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:36 AM

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brittle mulch unless it's fine for taser too

second team is a little niche but very powerful in aoe. you can guarantee perfect parry by doing Na E because burgeon damage counts for perfect pary

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:37 AM

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that's a neat trick, whenever I'm able to get kokomi finally I'll keep it on the backburner

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wanted her since first run but ganyu rerun back then was soon + raiden, then every rerun since she was either paired with ganyu or a future banner i was saving for

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:37 AM

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yup I'll go back to your post about priorities. I still suggest putting hutao on soss instead of pjws

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:37 AM

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oh scarlet is better for hu tao? gonna change then

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kept getting distracted slightly but raiden damage scales off ER right

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the new Circlet piece gave 22 ER so she's pretty high on that now

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not that I can see the damage rn unless I go hit some enemies but is the XQ build a lot less CD and ER now or stabilizing some stats. Not sure what it's working on unless it's the Ult damage

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was it too much ER

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238 now at a near flat 200

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but seems like CD still took a hit in the optimize

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:43 AM

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brittle mulch not that I can see the damage rn unless I go hit some enemies but is the XQ buil...

burst damage, xingqiu doesn't need over 200ER at c6, it can go down to 180 and be fine

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:43 AM

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ah ok

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:44 AM

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hutao is interesting. this is just hutao yelan flex flex (xingqiu or other) and not a furina team. I'll do it for furina later

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furina a little tricky because of hutao's HP management

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however if you want to use burst every rot you'd build a little ER on her

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:47 AM

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I can slap those pieces on ht since her and diluc has sat on their crimson witch pieces since like early 2.X

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:48 AM

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ok went through a few furina scenarios and it's also recommending the same build. so do this ^

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:48 AM

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amazing statline lmao

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:48 AM

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omg

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perfect

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:49 AM

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HP is 22k tho
little on the low side

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but hydro resonance gives 3k or so I think

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:49 AM

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soss lets you double dip on em sands

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you also don't have a lot of hp sands leveled up to compare against

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but I'd say this is a pretty nice hutao

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farming efforts are clearly paying off

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:51 AM

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just need to trim the dead artifacts unless it's possibly keeping some of the level 20s

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:52 AM

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you seem to have a good number of very good artifacts. put them on characters even if the set bonuses are not the preferred ones

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this way you build a lot of characters to a decent level and then you can farm other sets as you have time/resin

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:55 AM

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what should I start strongboxing once I use fragiles for either future arlecchino set or sit in the GT/MH mines

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emblem still or they're "complete" enough to not need upgrades anymore

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:55 AM

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one moment I'll look through keqing and some of your dendros then browse your artifacts

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:55 AM

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yeah not in a rush anyways

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imma grab a snack rq

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:55 AM

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I think your emblem builds are nice enough that you can stop. Test them in abyss to see whether you like it

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 6:56 AM

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nice, I probably won't touch emblem then till I get more cons for dehya

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 6:57 AM

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keqing looks fine the difference is less than 1 %

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nahida is fine. yaoyao doesn't heal herself if she doesn't use burst and cannot reliably trigger rightful reward in some teams. Exceptions being burgeon and nilou bloom. How do you plan to play yaoyao?

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if in a keqing agg team just give her fav or black tassel

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mainstats are fine. if you want more healing you can switch to hp circlet or healing circlet (healing gives more healing)

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bennett looks fine

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:00 AM

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I'm not entirely sure on yaoyao, was told it's a decent weapon to have on her but I also was at first using her in the team wrong. was sucrose XQ fischl yaoyao. Not sure what I was doing there tbh lol

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so I refined it up to 5

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only for 4.5 to laugh at all of us that did that

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:01 AM

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sucrose fischl yaoyao ain't bad actually it's a strong agg and hyperbloom team depending on the 4th character, but yaoyao typically isn't using rightful reward here. rightful reward is a good c6 chev weapon

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but yes, if the rumored 4.5 weapon is true there's pretty much no need to craft

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:01 AM

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oh nice, I can maybe just toss yaoyao back on fav then

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:01 AM

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I'm going to look at your artifacts and unbuilt characters one moment

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could take a while

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:03 AM

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yeah there's a couple in the list that aren't built or have random on set pieces that's most likely not optimal

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:07 AM

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it looks like most of your strong dps teams have been built to a pretty good level. If you want to expand their adaptability at the margins, chev for raiden could be a good teammate, yunjin if you plan on pulling zhongli can be a good hutao teammate but you have enough hutao teammates i think. thoma can be a decent vv vape hutao or burgeon character but I'd mostly raise him for burgeon. Playing thoma burgeon without a healer can be pretty painful tho. Tighnari may appreciate being switched to gilded now that you have nahida on deepwood.

Overall I think you have strongbox freedom now. You can build characters you're curious about or plan to pull. Or improve characters you want moe damage from. But for the latter I suggest taking some teams into abyss to see how you like them before making decisions

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:09 AM

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I do like chev but wasn't sure of her value at c0, saw her as another faruzan gorou or sara. Not useful or as useful till c6

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praying to conjure up chev on arlecchino banner

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could add her in the list of candidates to build but 0 idea on her best set

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:09 AM

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brittle mulch I do like chev but wasn't sure of her value at c0, saw her as another faruzan go...

good in a raiden team against hydro enemies

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:09 AM

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unless it's the new geo and healing domain, dunno if I can stomach using resin on that

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:09 AM

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or enemies otherwise unswirlable but still can take damage from electro or pyro

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:10 AM

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brittle mulch unless it's the new geo and healing domain, dunno if I can stomach using resin o...

doesn't need it, you can put her on a healer set or noblesse for general purpose flexibility

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:10 AM

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Noblesse sounds better since I have good pieces of that maybe

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:10 AM

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2 noblesse users don't stack but if you build yanfei etc or play raiden teams without bennett chev can still hold noblesse

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:12 AM

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oh right, forgot bennett is on Noblesse so chev on it too wouldn't make sense

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:12 AM

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so now that we're wrapping up...I've been curious: do you do this level of investment across all 5 of your gachas (

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:12 AM

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only mhy games, so HSR and genshin

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two of the gacha I might quit this year cause I've been playing since release in 2019 for pokemon masters but been idly just doing events and killing stamina despite logging in everyday
same for arknights. reverse I might do the same level of investing and theorycrafting but too early in that games life

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:14 AM

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that's efficient and impressive

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:14 AM

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genshin and hsr a little deeper in the tc but painful cause of artifact rng

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:14 AM

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I afk'ed from hsr after a few weeks due to time conflict. It's a beautiful game

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turns out I can comfortably do this level of meta exploration and acct building for one gacha at a time

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:16 AM

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hsr I'll probably get a little more invested in once a year+ into the game, gacha I feel like needs nearly 2 years before people reach mid/"endgame" to start finalizing team comps and most characters being built to full most likely in terms of traces and levels

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artifact rng will dictate how long someone will be in the mines

shy thistle Feb 3, 2024, 7:16 AM

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I agree, first year people are fooling around in all kinds of builds

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2024, 7:17 AM

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so HSR still somewhat relaxing but also slightly relic farming more cause I didn't start till trailblaze level 59 I think

brittle mulch Mar 22, 2024, 3:30 AM

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been almost 2 months but just wanted to bump this back up
still artifact farming and tossing junk into emblem strongbox. Maybe in a week or two see results of all the artifact farming for Furina/fischl improvements or the emblem users. been getting alright pieces but now getting a lot of 20's as well that I'm not sure would be upgrades or not unless optimizer used for specific comps

shy thistle Mar 22, 2024, 3:31 AM

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that's great. when you're ready we can do another voice call. these are good pieces

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the right piece would be phenomenal for xiangling

brittle mulch Mar 22, 2024, 3:32 AM

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first one is same from last session but just got this today
think I also got an atk sands for her since that was decent but still show it I guess later and compare to old one if I kept it incase one is better than the other maybe

brittle mulch May 2, 2024, 2:05 PM

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reviving/bump for arlecchino this weekend most likely

shy thistle May 2, 2024, 3:33 PM

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no prob

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 9:33 PM

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I lied last week, and possibly this week but is this a decent statline for her on sig weapon or no

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star rail taking up time so eventually maybe use my remaining 68 fragiles to try and get better pieces but was sitting on glad like most people but got 4 pieces for her finally

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Might be super biased cause I've seen a fair amount of 300 CD but then again whales or characters with CD weapon is why when I think back on it
lot of characters with CD weapon for sigs not CR

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 9:48 PM

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brittle mulch I lied last week, and possibly this week but is this a decent statline for her o...

if this is without crit rate weapon then you're looking at slightly lopsided ratio but useable

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 9:48 PM

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her scythe sig is CR weapon so got that on her

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think it's 22

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 9:49 PM

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is this already with finished weapon?

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if so, swap to a crit rate circlet asap

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 9:53 PM

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when it comes to characters with CR weapons what do their stat lines usually look like
bout to drop from 224 CD to almost 150 CD

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damage gonna tank somewhat

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 9:53 PM

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if you want a whale arle artifacts aim for 100/200

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that's it

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 9:54 PM

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think funnily enough only my hu tao has that perfect statline on scarlet sands, 100/200

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 9:54 PM

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80/150 is going to be better than 50/220

violet dock May 11, 2024, 9:54 PM

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brittle mulch damage gonna tank somewhat

sorry to interrupt i was just lurking, but remember not critting will also tank damage even more

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 9:54 PM

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damage isn't going to tank

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damage is going to get better

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your screenshot numbers are going to tank

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if you want to crit fish screenshot for youtube, yes, go for 300 cd arle

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otherwise build her for better damage over better screenshots

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:02 PM

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yeah it'd be for damage but generally the 300 CD I think also had decent CR too, albeit I of course don't remember all the numbers but not like it was a lot of CC I watched just one or two when they'd do some hundreds of thousands of stamina used fishing for good pieces.

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I'll keep an eye out for a CR circlet then, haven't gotten a good one

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or one at all tbh

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:09 PM

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brittle mulch yeah it'd be for damage but generally the 300 CD I think also had decent CR too,...

a lot of youtube videos use crit food

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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don't think xlice and uhhh maybe iwtlg and whoever else, can't remember, generally uses food buffs.
Just tens of thousands of dollars spent (C6R5) for characters and resin refreshes throughout the week or two till a build seems satisfactory enough then posts vid on it

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but yeah I'll hopefully get a CR circlet eventually that's decent

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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those would not be good videos to use for build standard reference

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:11 PM

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some of my pieces still low on both CD and CR anyways so I'll of course keep digging for that but also at this point have like 180+ of both the whimsy and burning set so a lot to shift through eventually

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:12 PM

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for artifact math, 100/200 is already hard to get with sig arle sig arti (240cv), if they have 80/300 that means they're likely in the top 50 out of tens of thousands of entries on akansha.cv

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unless you resin refresh everyday you cannot expect to get that outside of a year of full time farming on her sig set

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:14 PM

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highest CD a weapon can give is 86 right, idr the highest CR for a weapon but guessing 22 from arle sig and jade spear I believe is pretty high

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unless that is the highest

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:14 PM

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you can cheat and use marechaussee hunter if you care about the stat page numbers that you don't see in battle

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:14 PM

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brittle mulch highest CD a weapon can give is 86 right, idr the highest CR for a weapon but gu...

highest cd weapon won't give highest damage

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:15 PM

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yeah was just using it as a baseline where whales or even not whale content creators still managed a 300 CD by only having maybe 210 or 220ish CD, but the rest of that came from the 5* sig being blessed is all

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can make do with less CD cause weapon is frontloaded with the stat, so focus more on CR

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prolly why I saw 300 CD more "often"

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even my ganyu hit 300 CD at one point but lowered her to 282 I think to add a bit more CR, though still at 24% I believe she has shenhe her cons and BS set to almost hit 100 CR

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:16 PM

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you can more realistically get to 300cd on characters with crit ascension and a low-base-attack weapon. neuv is a good example of this

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so yes, do not compare character stats ACROSS DIFFERENT CHARACTERS

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characters start at different starting points

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:17 PM

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yeah that's a slight mistake on my part there

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arlecchino has CD ascension stat but no idea if ascension stats can be different for characters even if same stat getting increased

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and of course already mentioned, weapon 22 CR might be above average or low end

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need to check honeyhunter to see which weapon has highest CR

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:18 PM

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ascension stats for 5star are the same

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lowest base polearm is homa currently and it's not that great on arle compared to sig

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:20 PM

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wow damn, highest CR from a weapon I think is 44%
33% from something else

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yeah guess arlecchino has average CR

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22%

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:20 PM

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no arle's sig has high base

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so low crit rate substat

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:21 PM

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yeah high base low substat

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unfort but guess Atk more important

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guess from what I'm able to find 22% lowest and 44% highest

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11% CR would be insane for low substat so yeah guessing 22% lowest for the stat

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fight more for CD CR

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:23 PM

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slush, do you know about the crit value concept

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since you're trying to grade your artifact builds

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use roll value and crit value scores

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Definitely gravitated some whimsy set pieces that had 15-26+ CD and little CR or no CR over having the average 9+ CR and 12+ CD pieces

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I think it was CR x2 for crit value

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:24 PM

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yes that's it

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when you just get a character as a rough score go for 180cv for their first build

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and then go up from there

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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full score never tried adding it all up

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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you can expect to get to 180 in a month of farming usually

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:25 PM

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just singular artifact pieces I did, like a 13 CD and 11 CR piece so that'd be 35 CV I believe

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since that was a flower that landed

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guess in general despite lower CD the CV is 35 while another flower I have is just 26 CD but 0 CR
so CV stays at 26

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if that's generally how people approach it

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roll value not sure on the raw numbers for every stat, just know CD is 5.4% as lowest and 7.8 highest, CR is I think 2.7 and 3.9 for highest

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don't think I've heard of roll value if you meant the RNG quality of the rolls

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:30 PM

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roll value you are just counting rolls instead of crits. there are tools that help but you can also just do it by eye

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ultimately these are rough scores and to really know if a build is better you want to use optimizer or gcsim

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:31 PM

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oh counting the rolls

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cr a little more tricky to count rolls for me cause even 2 rolls can still be single digit somehow if someone is really unlucky or a single CD roll will always get someone into double digits at worst around 10.9% I think

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:32 PM

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so a 35cv piece can be worse than a 26cv piece if roll value for it is higher (and something to resolve by using optimizer)

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:32 PM

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two 5.4 rolls

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:32 PM

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shy thistle so a 35cv piece can be worse than a 26cv piece if roll value for it is higher (a...

oh, 35 cv piece being worse is surprising

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is it the other subs like say 35cv having more def% rolls while 26cv piece has atk% rolls at least

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best guess on 35cv being worse at least

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 10:36 PM

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yes, the other subs

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it's not immediately obvious but for some characters, non-crit rolls are worth different amounts. for example neuv you can somewhat count hp% and cdmg as equivilent rolls if your crit rate is near cap

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so ultimately: do your best to check a build in optimizer

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just looking at stat page to see is it 100/300 is not going to be that helpful

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especially when 100/300 isn't your account but some whale's

brittle mulch May 11, 2024, 10:54 PM

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yeah think I initially thought close to say 60-80 CR and 250-300% CD was possible cause I got my ganyu close to that and then of course false perception from random whale accounts spending hundreds for refreshes
though most likely also thought that cause for Ganyu I spent 80+ fragiles on from years of saving back then, now again 123 fragiles I've saved up since my BS runs 2 years ago I think and hoping or thinking I should be the insane 60+/250+ CR CD for arlecchino

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even moreso since I have sig weapon and saved enough wishes as f2p as well for c3

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so not whale with the resin, close enough when saving fragiles for X amount of years to get somewhat the same amount of stamina they'd spend but through fragiles, 5k+ stamina used and all from the fragiles for ganyu and slowly with arlecchino

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think that's almost a month of stamina usage

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probably boot up optimizer when I finish using my last near 70 fragiles and check on what's worth using

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or manually but that'd be a lot to go through lmao

shy thistle May 11, 2024, 11:23 PM

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an extra month of farming after you've reached the 180~200cv mark for someone like arle...you're looking at very very minor improvements

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but if stat page looking neat and tidy is important, then extra farming is still nice

brittle mulch Jul 25, 2024, 3:41 PM

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It's been like two months but just wanna say still eternally farming arlecchino's domain and converting into emblem pieces.
even before last time we used optimizer I had like 15+ of them locked or level 20 stuff for emblem and a bit for whimsy as well. still have like 30 fragiles to go through not including the 9 or so I've gotten in 2 patches now but yeah maybe this weekend or soon get back onto it and try to mill a looooooot of stuff that's locked at 0, level 4-12 and even 20 ones that can be tossed to the side. cause there's tons for each of the 5 but maybe not to the extent of feathers and flowers

Might need to go back and see the old messages in here on what to focus on and strongbox cause it has been awhile

shy thistle Jul 27, 2024, 6:34 AM

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the resin efficient domains:
emblem, deepwood, golden troupe
with most other domains having at least 1 hard to use artifact you'd want to take stock of characters you are building to see if these are worth it.

good to strongbox:
4tf, noblesse, vv, with most other sets again wanting you to take stock of characters you're building
when natlan comes around all sumeru artifacts + golden troupe domain will be strongboxable so you can re-evaluate then

brittle mulch Aug 24, 2024, 4:18 AM

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Another month of lazy farming but at least stamina spent going into dailies making the mindless grind easier for this game

Next patch putting more value on my possibly level 4-20s now to throw away or keep for the elixir EXP but even those are filling up my bag. Just need to figure out which emblem GT MH noblesse and whatever else pieces to save cause I'm eternally hovering 1200-1400 while purples fill the last 400ish for artifact exp
Who all can use the sets out of the old pinned comment in here, bennett chev dori layla rosaria shenhe? I think maybe TF I don't need to do cause only keqing in all of my characters afaik uses it. Albeit her CR CD is about average but I also don't use her too much

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unlock some of the 16s and 20s would be decent to comb through eventually too, wish there was a discard/trash button like hsr or ZZZ

shy thistle Aug 24, 2024, 4:55 AM

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brittle mulch Another month of lazy farming but at least stamina spent going into dailies maki...

chev: noblesse>=song of days past, if you have high constellation you can build her for less buff and more subdps damage in which case emblem>=4gt, or any 2+2 that's relevant to her buff or high constellation damage
bennett: noblesse or instructor (noblesse is easier to use typically)
layla: tenacity or noblesse, or 2hp2hp, 2hp2er
rosaria, buffer: noblesse
rosaria in damage mode: emblem or 2+2
shenhe: noblesse or 2atk2atk

TF I'd generally keep some good pieces around even if you can't use them right away because there is no alternative to the 4pc passive

sounds like inventory is getting full, you want to start combing through all of your pieces. If you haven't, filter by set and mainstat and unlock all the ones you can fodder right away (hp def atk mainstat without double crit). Then start putting sets on all of your characters to get a sense of how strict you need to be for each set and position

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if you need a vc you may want to ask for it in main help chat since I'm away for long hours during the day lately. If you want to do screencaps and keep those here you can. I still check threads several times a day

brittle mulch Sep 20, 2025, 6:37 PM

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been an extremely long while but after a year of artifact QoL and stygian dropping which gives a fragile resin sink for many, might be another good time to maybe go back and try to clean out some stuff now that everyone can have insight on something being dead at 0 with it not getting 2nd crit roll EM or anything else a character might want desperately
Think some of these in the recent list are still characters I need to build but also have added natlan characters and eventually Nod krai, albeit I don't have lauma or others yet. Least with the inventory being raised to 2.4k I hover around 1.5k always so just need to also unlock a lot of potential or likely fodder while looking at the 4th stat (haven't checked yet)

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needing to do clean up for hsr and ZZZ eventually but genshin is the main game for me so this one first

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forgot the additions of elixirs and feathers too for targets now, that's more help on what to use em on too

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don't mind if one or two others you recommend want to help eventually to make it less painful, not something I expect to finish even in one night unless someone can somehow deal with 3+ hours of shifting through stuff

shy thistle Sep 20, 2025, 11:04 PM

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Yeah with the new changes it's less costly to get good articscts

brittle mulch Nov 16, 2025, 4:21 PM

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bringing this back almost 2 months later lol
work week starts tonight but just need a confirmation on if I should just start using elixirs on sands and goblets for characters that absolutely need them. Think the current main dps I need to get much better builds on I think is skirk varesa and especially Nefer. It is those 2 pieces right since circlets a little easier to get

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can't go using my now 120 fragiles on stygian though since the extra drops left last week so probably december rest I'll dump 50 or 60 in there and try to get new NK pieces, been tossing my trash into a bit of petra totm and cinder city but I think I heard murmurs that totm is slowly becoming useless cause of NK characters not caring for attack scaling. Guess I'll focus more on CC/Obsidian maybe since my natlan characters also aren't too well built, but right now just need another voice or two to direct on what's trash and what to keep cause thankfully despite trimming my artifacts down to under 1k, still a lot of locked stuff or level 4-20 I could likely ditch

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but also slowly with time spiral abyss and stygian getting harder to do cause of the NK shilling being much harder to deal with the enemies compared to natlan being able to counteract nightsoul by just having a lot of elemental hits

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35 elixirs and 18 feathers hoarded so far, good chunk to toy with excluding elixirs only allowing us to make artifacts for one set a patch I think

shy thistle Nov 16, 2025, 6:59 PM

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On sands yes. Goblets usually better to farm

shy thistle Nov 16, 2025, 7:00 PM

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brittle mulch 35 elixirs and 18 feathers hoarded so far, good chunk to toy with excluding elix...

You don't have to hosrd so many elixirs as you can only make one item from a set a month

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Feathers: only reroll 4 liners unless you are desperate to be done with a cuaracter

brittle mulch Nov 16, 2025, 7:06 PM

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oh wow, never used it before so thought we could craft all 5 only once a patch not 1 only for 1 set

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feathers and flowers I know for the most part to use the dust feathers only on 4 liners at level 0 but I think my next issue was maybe focusing more on newer units and their best stuff or improve older units. Though with the amount of dust I have, less to work with compared to elixirs

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need to start using the staring system on artifacts on units I use the most that way if I switch around stuff it'll be easier to find them through all the level 20s I've been hoarding over the half decade

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that and hitting the button to automatically give 5 to some characters when doing IT would help too

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think I should make a list of characters I use on the regular for stygian and SA to fix builds or finish builds in general then the fodder I usually hit quick equip on but also maybe have it give much better stuff to make IT easier

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I imagined finding EM goblet with double crit is probably one of the most valuable pieces to craft for the NK cast so wasn't sure if I should do that

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think it has an extremely low percentage to get those so wasn't sure if that sands or circlet was best

shy thistle Nov 16, 2025, 8:58 PM

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brittle mulch oh wow, never used it before so thought we could craft all 5 only once a patch n...

it's usually most cost effective to craft the sands and maybe the circlet, and not the other 3

shy thistle Nov 16, 2025, 8:59 PM

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brittle mulch I imagined finding EM goblet with double crit is probably one of the most valuab...

ah yes if you're farming an older set through strongbox then maybe you do want to craft a double crit em goblet HOWEVER characters that truly want a good double crit em goblet these days is rare (nefer)

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if you get one for nahida great, if not, it's not high priority

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nobody else really needs it that badly

brittle mulch Jan 13, 2026, 5:17 PM

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this was painful to miss out on as f2p, of course not gonna get next cycle cause 3 lunar enemies and no 3 lunar teams even when I pull columbina, but I really need to fix artifacts for real real.
And maybe start crafting. 43 elixirs and 23 feathers to work with. Maybe this weekend or next start working on culling a lot of the trash and use my fragiles too. Have 125 so once stygian opens up can start farming sets whichever I'd need whether it's Varesa/skirk upgrades, finally finish up my natlan characters cause they have mediocre to unfinished builds even when crafting CC still or just hard focus on the NK stuff

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if going through a million locked junk is too much, can ask whoever else are helpers in the server to help out too. That stygian list of characters I mentioned a couple months ago can't really work cause it's basically entirely dependant on who's currently on banner so it switches up on a dime

shy thistle Jan 14, 2026, 10:06 PM

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Do you have a video of your run

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But if you are doing d6 I assume you are already familiar with the boss mechanic from d5

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D6 reward is just cosmetic so you don't miss anything as f2p except for a temporary weapon skin

brittle mulch Jan 16, 2026, 3:29 PM

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no I didn't do a video, what was the baptist gimmick besides 3 shields and actually taking the damage dealt

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I know d6 just weapon skins but would've been cool to have for a bit is all

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just also need to fix skirk and maybe varesa stuff cause they honestly have less than stellar artifacts and both characters have been staples in all the stygian modes so far by brute forcing

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only farmed the set for like 5.5-5.7 which depending on luck for anyone, which was not kind to me, could take months or years for a decent build

shy thistle Jan 16, 2026, 4:57 PM

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brittle mulch I know d6 just weapon skins but would've been cool to have for a bit is all

With baptist you want to adjust your rotation for fastest shield break time and not waste your furina and scroll buffs early on in the shield

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Skirk has high enough dps that in d5 you can have less than perfect rot management and clear

shy thistle Jan 16, 2026, 5:31 PM

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Without video I can't guess if that might have been a problem

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But for d6 youight want to look at some bilibili runs or YouTube attempts (good luck

brittle mulch Jan 21, 2026, 3:38 PM

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only attempted the previous rotation cause I surprisingly got the iktomisaur cheese but the others so far my damage and team comps weren't good for dire attempts. I think out of all of em so far only the very first stygian and previous one I could've maybe Dire'd if I had a better skirk build. This new one today though I do not think I can do it at all unless I get some help on building columbina and ineffa lmao, kinda fearful I can't even do fearless cause my nefer build isn't great either

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uh oh, yeah just did menacing and I can't even clear the first enemy. Not enough damage

shy thistle Jan 21, 2026, 4:15 PM

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Ah I haven't done ityet

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For the first boss focus on boss when you have a lunar team. Focus on chickens when you dont

brittle mulch Jan 23, 2026, 4:53 PM

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yeah I focused main boss since the smaller ones is for people trying to truly brute force it without lunar shilling. Just my nefer team doesn't do enough damage to break the shield in 10s
Need to fix her artifacts and then start up columbina so I can maybe even have a bit of damage to kill the shield despite no lauma

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hope a lauma rerun is soon cause Nefer needs her badly

brittle mulch Feb 2, 2026, 6:00 PM

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my fragiles run didn't go too hot I think. 131 to 48 from the damage of using them

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also tried like 10 dust to help skirk's feather and it kept rolling badly so now keeping at the 2nd level before it's 3 guaranteed stats on whatever piece I feel like rerolling in the future. Not sure what to possibly elixir but I think it's time to try out the luck there but no idea what

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or elixir ineffa/columbina stuff, tho my columbina came out pretty decent from random pieces while farming Night and SMS

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shy thistle Feb 2, 2026, 7:02 PM

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The builds are fine. Where are you in stygian

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Since you have nefer there's no reason to raise columbina normal

brittle mulch Feb 3, 2026, 4:21 PM

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I tried menacing awhile back but the void dog destroyed me so I didn't attempt the other two bosses yet. Don't wanna imagine fearless

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I just raise character stuff to 8 cause why not but when it comes to 9 and 10 I focus on one skill finally so gonna put the mats into burst only now

shy thistle Feb 3, 2026, 4:58 PM

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Raising unused skills to 8 is going to be pretty expensive resource wise

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I see that you have also triple crowned skirk and nefer. Unless you are crowning for non meta reasons, their normals should have been left at 1

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I think menacing might be a rotation issue. Which team did you use for chamber 1?

brittle mulch Feb 4, 2026, 6:19 AM

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Nefer nahida aino kuki but now have columbina

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Shock trooper might brute forced with overload c2 varesa and crab being skirk with mona likely

brittle mulch Feb 5, 2026, 3:23 PM

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beat the other 2 yesterday but ran out of time before sleeping for work, did the void dog and it had like 40% hp still but barely didn't break its second shield at like 1%. Don't think that would've killed it tho, need damage so I think I need to replace XQ hydro app with like a built ineffa maybe

shy thistle Feb 5, 2026, 7:23 PM

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Yeah if you have ineffa use ineffa

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Tho nahida kind of interfere with ineffa here

brittle mulch Feb 8, 2026, 4:52 AM

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What should the team be then, bina nefer ineffa against dog.
Also maybe craft the aubade pieces? Or save for upgrades on characters instead

shy thistle Feb 8, 2026, 8:54 PM

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Ineffa is kind of valuable in chamber 2 but if your chamber 2 doesn't need her you can still use her in the nefer team, you just may not get a lot of lunar ec damage because columbina won't be able to wipe dendro off the boss

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So she's going to be a shielder plus aggravate DMG draler

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In my experience nefer doesn't have much stagger risk against dog boss, kuki would do pretty much the same thing

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As ineffa

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Whether to craft pieces depend on how long you plan to farm aubade. If you are nearly done, crafting a last piece means you can be done sooner. If you just started farming then crafting means you might get duplicates during farming

brittle mulch Feb 9, 2026, 9:03 AM

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nowhere near done, suggested crafting cause she has 1 piece on her rn but also just thought the bina ineffa wheelchair on top of occasional lunar blooms from nefer would be enough damage to shred through the dog
My overload varesa and skirk freeze dealt with the other 2 bosses on fearless but the dog is the only one I need to do as mentioned. Think there's 2 weeks left before stygian is done? So some time to farm but I also had 0 mora last week when I finally fixed my builds during the extra artifact drop event stygian does and when I spent 80 fragile resin to fix up varesa skirk nefer and bina builds (last one just get a build going at all rather)

brittle mulch Feb 9, 2026, 9:03 AM

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brittle mulch

which resulted in nearly 100% CR with insane piece or two I got on columbina thankfully

shy thistle Feb 9, 2026, 12:38 PM

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Oh ok probably don't craft rn. Ineffa is good in the nefer team

brittle mulch Feb 13, 2026, 5:53 PM

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so craft better nefer pieces maybe or were the builds fine that I posted a week or two ago

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almost feel like better nefer pieces to nuke the dog faster in fearless or craft ineffa tho so I can finish it in general

shy thistle Feb 13, 2026, 6:41 PM

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Depends on your tolerance for wasting a Craft

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Is that the best flower on your acct or do you have something better

shy thistle Feb 13, 2026, 7:04 PM

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If you do play around until you can use cdmg circlet

brittle mulch Feb 15, 2026, 7:20 AM

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waste? think I only got a 2nd ok flower for nefer so far but I'm bouncing from needing mora after all the artifact upgrading weeks back (only 5m mora now) but been doing the new domain and got a nice ineffa flower recently. but yeah nefer only has 2 other choices maybe

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as for CD circlet I have this but then my CR is below 30% I think before including the 30% from artifact set, so 60+

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shy thistle Feb 15, 2026, 8:25 AM

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wast meaning, if you craft a piece and keep farming, you could get a similar or better piece than you crafted

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the goal for nefer at this point is to keep farming until you can move to a cdmg circlet, because that will allow your whole build to have more crit substats than a crit rate circlet

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your current crit rate circlet is better than your cdmg circlet

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so you are replacing at least 2 pieces

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that could be tricky for crafting

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keep farming

brittle mulch Feb 19, 2026, 6:39 PM

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threw random 2 pc atk set on ineffa and tried this to barely beat it. was messing around with instructor aino CD CR circlet for both columbina and nefer to try and kill lunar shield 2nd time it comes up fast enough and nahida on r5 eveningstar spindlelight I think the 6.0 weapon was and widstih but nothing was working, thankfully this hexrei team with the mentioned thrown together pieces worked barely

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really gotta fix up my ineffa and columbina, I think bina overcaps on crit since I got insanely lucky with artifacts in the CR department, had 94 and I think her talent gives a free 10 or 15%

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can prolly chase more CD in artifacts but don't wanna change my CR circlet since it got 4 rolls in CD

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