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#HSR Trash Can
vivid moon
i thought it sounded funny 😭
didn't know it was an actual thing outside of a monster with a hankering for some ichor minerals
also time for a hail mary again
i got 8 with this time but dhil instead of topaz
open lotus
I thought the opponents are wearing cosplay
like the centaur is called “lan fan club” or something
daring raft
also time for a hail mary again
Ofc a Yoimiya fan such as yourself would nab Guanifen
vivid moon
like the centaur is called “lan fan club” or something
yeah LOL
it isn't my guinaifen though, mine is only level 70 rn
okay that team didn't work for me jdhrts
whatever, 8 is good enough
it's better than nothing 
maiden escarp
i hate them 
vivid moon
NO
maiden escarp
yes
vivid moon
:c
analog pollen
:<
vivid moon
i love the battle music for ||argenti's|| fight
so elegant
i love piano
and the violin
drifting oyster
@vivid mooni have 2000 feul in star rail
but grinding seems so painful
is houhou worth it for blade team
vivid moon
huohuo's banner ended
but she heals nice and her burst gives energy and attack, so if blade scales off atk
drifting oyster
i have houhou
vivid moon
i don't have blade though so idk what kind of synergy she has with him
oh LOL
i'd say just trial it and see what happens
but i like her
drifting oyster
vivid moon
the 3* abundance lc 
vivid moon
kc you even said welcom to the team when i got her
oh i did? i don't remember that far back
like genuinely
i feel like i remember saying that but i'd have 0 idea it was you unless you tell me
drifting oyster
blade doesnt scale of atk
vivid moon
oh then rip
drifting oyster
so i can prob switch nat for hou hou
vivid moon
she probably wouldn't help him then
drifting oyster
and give nat to blade
vivid moon
ye
drifting oyster
drifting oyster
yeah i put her on a team with him, fu xuan, and tingyun
i use yukong nat him and bronya
bronya is c1
so she has a 50/50 chance to refund a skill point
drifting oyster
she is really good
drifting oyster
i have my ana with the best lc i can give her
waiting to get gepard to replace her
vivid moon
i gave mine to my gepard 
drifting oyster
drifting oyster
idk if i even got them
check your mail
vivid moon
i did about an hour ago
i'll log back in in a few and see if i got it before, but i can't remember getting and using a 10-pull
drifting oyster
i should do something
vivid moon
do what
drifting oyster
grind something
vivid moon
drifting oyster
im low on credits
vivid moon
get the abundance lc in the shop if you can and then grind for some exp mats for it
or get credits
that's always good
drifting oyster
go daniel
vivid moon
idk, why is it
vivid moon
😭
wait are you using a crit rate body
if you're able to get a cd one with some cr under it, you should still be good
drifting oyster
yea he has low crit
vivid moon
i think mine has like 6% cr
rip
yeah, maybe you can use some of the fuel on his relic domain
and hope to get a godly body piece
drifting oyster
blade loses his lc priv
vivid moon
LOL
drifting oyster
vivid moon
drifting oyster
majestic mf
vivid moon
i love his glorious ass
drifting oyster
i love his glorious ass
i wish more of the adepti characters would be like this
but genshin open world is prob limiting
drifting oyster
vivid moon
ohh
drifting oyster
but genshin open world and spacing makes it hard
vivid moon
hopefully
though we don't even know what it'll be about
for all we know, it could be a cooking show like with the valkyries lmao
cooking with the golden twins
going to each region and making their specialties
shokugeki no Aether
drifting oyster
i want more manga stuff
but hoyo doesnt do that anymore
hence why star rail didnt get one
vivid moon
my world level is 7, would you be alright with lowering yours by 1 and letting me join so we can fight the enka boss? my yae has been hardstuck at level 50 because i don't have it unlocked in my world lmao
drifting oyster
sure
vivid moon
thank you 
maiden escarp
Cooking with who
vivid moon
golden nara
analog pollen
oh kc you watched cooking with the valkyres?
vivid moon
no
i've just seen it mentioned in the anime channel like 50 times whenever someone mentions genshin getting an anime
analog pollen
i didnt finish it but what I saw was really wholesome
and it had some sad plot too
good civ
honestly anything animation related from honkai is really well made
you can feel the passion
analog pollen
just go on the official channel and browse a bit
see what catches your eye
I think I posted some links a while back when astral was asking about it
analog pollen
go watch the opening at least
daring raft
Where did Silver Wolf’s navel go…
analog pollen
Wat
daring raft
Dont think about it too much
Don’t tell me what to do
I’ll dwell as I please!
/hj
But it makes no sense when like
We can see Kuki’s just fine
And Dehya
Nilou’s skirt covers it up so that checks out
But then we have SW just
Hoyo moment
lament bramble
Ofc a Yoimiya fan such as yourself would nab Guanifen
Ngl, every time I Guanifen, I just see Kiara
daring raft
Ngl, every time I Guanifen, I just see Kiara
that's even better than saying she's a yoi clone (which she isn't ofc)
I'mma steal that joke ty
old arch
Me when
analog pollen
what do you like about him?
daring raft
what do you like about him?
Everything visually
analog pollen
open lotus
he’s just that guy
vivid moon
Me when
Did you get e6 little gui, Hannah?
I'm glad astral and I have similar taste in designs and personalities LOL
old arch
Did you get e6 little gui, Hannah?
i think i have e0
vivid moon
Damn 
old arch
Damn <:KannaPat:775508640186368001>
i did get e2 huohuo so that's a W
vivid moon
Gepard is cuter, most definitely
But argenti is more pretty in both appearance and personality
Gepard is like handsome but cute personality
The nerdy supportive man gets me
vivid moon
Yeee
maiden escarp
are you hannah?
no thats kc
analog pollen
vivid moon
What's me, golden? 😭
maiden escarp
this gif
vivid moon
Too bad I don't have e6 lil gui...
I WISH I DID THO
Anyway, off to make chicken Caesar wraps
daring raft
daring raft
@maiden escarp @vivid moon were either off you saving for her
maiden escarp
I haven't touched the game since Jingliu ngl
vivid moon
nah
analog pollen
(wait so other than kc is anyone here still playing?)
daring raft
(wait so other than kc is anyone here still playing?)
I played a bit today to kill time
Just to level up the blonde healer gril
analog pollen
who
vivid moon
lynx i'm assuming
analog pollen
oh
daring raft
Ye
vivid moon
since natasha has dark hair, bailu's is purple, and huohuo has green
vivid moon
how dare you
analog pollen
im sorry kc
analog pollen
vivid moon
nvm we're even
daring raft
I forgor she exists
I only remember her for dropping contradictory lore bombs
daring raft
That Pela is 16 while she herself is like what? 20 sth?
analog pollen
did I talk to you about that?
daring raft
did I talk to you about that?
Prolly did
analog pollen
humu humu
daring raft
But yeah I only installed HSR to see how much space it’d take with my new phone lol
Since ZZZ is coming up
I did try for argenti tho
He looks so good
vivid moon
still haven't got him and am running on 50/50 
analog pollen
I had all 3 hoyo games on my phone and still plenty of space left
the mobile versions are a lot better optimized for space
i think pc genshin reached 100 gigs?
or very close
vivid moon
depends on how many voice packs you have downloaded
but if you only have one, then it's roughly ~80gb right now
analog pollen
close enough
soon
it's interesting to think that by the time teyvat is done genshin will be the most expensive game ever made (if it already isnt)
and it's free to play
the dualities of gacha
daring raft
~~I had all 3 hoyo games on my phone and still plenty of space left~~
I have hi3 installed too even
analog pollen
ooo
analog pollen
i wanted to binge it for the story but I can't be bothered with all the gacha aspects
vivid moon
how expensive has it been to develop genshin?
analog pollen
official statements are 100 mill for initial development before launch and 200 mill yearly budget for ongoing development
daring raft
i wanted to binge it for the story but I can't be bothered with all the gacha as...
I might just YT it tbh
analog pollen
most expensive game rn is cyberpunk after all the updates with just under 500 mill
daring raft
People telling me “it’s a better gacha than Genshin” is no different than telling me roadkill with less tire marks on it
analog pollen
i refuse to count star citizen
daring raft
To hell with stick measuring contests in gacha
analog pollen
humu humu
I dont like it when people treat gachas like it's a job offer
and argue it's better based on amount of free stuff you get
like youre supposed to play this for fun
daring raft
I dont like it when people treat gachas like it's a job offer
Gacha debating basically is a homeless man calling out another homeless guy for being broke af
I’m like, Who cares?
analog pollen
Lol the 4stars
vivid moon
i don't understand how some of these rounds are so easy and then others are just unimaginably hard unless you know exactly what to do for builds 😭
the last one is so easy
U H M
vivid moon
WHO
vivid moon
wait that's real
yes
daring raft
😭
analog pollen
also im dumb
analog pollen
did they always do groups of 5 enemies or is this a new thing
for some reason I only remember 4
vivid moon
5 is the max
analog pollen
well ugh
vivid moon
it's been like that since the start
analog pollen
I hope you have a clara
vivid moon
it just doesn't happen often unless your opponent is something like the bugs in swarm or the wolves
analog pollen
clara team vs 5 of those guys is mad stonks
I used to trigger them on purpose with her
vivid moon
i have a clara but this team is doing fine
it's okay
slowly whittling them down lol
analog pollen
man you have both clara and jing
vivid moon
i do
analog pollen
slowly whittling them down lol
gambare
vivid moon
i had no idea that this fight would be here
when i did the thing
i just... did the thing
and this happened
LOL
hsr and their use of words
thought that said "Scrumptious" for a moment
vivid moon
didn't get anything out of it other than some text lol
i was hoping at least an achievement
especially since you're fighting 5 of those dudes 😭
open lotus
iconic
vivid moon
The only thing it was missing was a B and A
Since it's the two uppercuts, two down cuts, and left-right twice
daring raft
We’re finally getting out first playable male with facial hair in a Hoyo game
@vivid moon @analog pollen
HSR 2.0
daring raft
vivid moon
BARELY A HALF 5'O CLOCK SHADOW
THAT'S SO FUNNY BUT AT LEAST WE GET ONE
also, playable?
vivid moon
ohh okay
analog pollen
which game
daring raft
Yep
Now it’s gonna be a game of facial hair power creep once Pulcinella is playable
vivid moon
analog pollen
that always feels like a girl name to me
also im still skeptical about him being playable
imma be extremely impressed if they make a whole playable model for 1 character
analog pollen
the base model gets reused for animations and stuff
analog pollen
theres medium male tall male short female medium female tall female
daring raft
Pls understand
vivid moon
i was expecting them to just draw it on, ngl
analog pollen
if you compare animations between 2 charas that share a body type you'll see a lot of similarities
pulcinella is really short iirc
daring raft
also im still skeptical about him being playable
Pulcinella?
analog pollen
and there's no short male playable modle
vivid moon
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT
analog pollen
yes?
daring raft
He’s in trevail
analog pollen
i mean
vivid moon
"WELL HE LOOKS NORMAL, IDK WHY HE'D NEED A WHOLE NEW MODEL"
daring raft
It’s pretty much guaranteed
analog pollen
the same picture that showed him in travail also showed like 4 fatui npcs
and I dont think anyone expects those to be playable
daring raft
The only think we can question is if HoYo will have new male models within 2 years from now
analog pollen
maybe it's like a scara situation and he gets a new form somehow
his travail image was shadowed afterall
analog pollen
(and looked a lot taller)
daring raft
And we’ve seen signs of them gradually optimizing tall mall models since after Itto
vivid moon
looked, but only because we didn't know exactly what we were looking at
daring raft
It’s just a wait and see
vivid moon
but the silhouette matches pretty well to his lazzo appearance
daring raft
It’s the perspective that prolly makes him look taller
daring raft
The weird thing is that is obscured his face at the time
vivid moon
daring raft
But there are several possible explanations for that
vivid moon
like the perspective is sort of low
daring raft
Could be they didn’t finalize his design then
vivid moon
but we couldn't tell if he was slouching or smth lol
now that we know he's actually short 
analog pollen
the travail one was cooler
vivid moon
The weird thing is that is obscured his face at the time
i am going to assume it was planned, since they kept the visages of almost all the other fatui harbingers hidden until the lazzo
daring raft
i am going to assume it was planned, since they kept the visages of almost all t...
Funny thing is
If you look
REALLY CLOSELY
At the silthoutte face
You can barely
And I mean
barely make out his mustache
vivid moon
yeah
the little pale blob in the silhouette
which is why i say they probably did it on purpose
to create mystery
daring raft
But yeah I agree
But now it’s a question of
Is he medium male or small child male size
analog pollen
if they're doing playable child males I want playable timmy
vivid moon
i mean, i wouldn't put it past them to make a model for the npc, not sure if they'd do it for an entire playable version
analog pollen
daring raft
i mean, i wouldn't put it past them to make a model for the npc, not sure if the...
Mayhaps yeah
Hoyo will do as they wish by the end of the day
vivid moon
ye
daring raft
Hoyo will do as they wish by the end of the day
Example: NPC topaz vs playable topaz
vivid moon
i feel like they've been stepping up their game with the new NPCs and things, like the melusines, that maybe they'll make a unique model for him
but not sure if they'd go out of their way to rig it for animations for things like playability
vivid moon
but i'm looking forward to seeing characters with dragon tails in genshin like we do in hsr
daring raft
I really wanna see them get bolder with some character designs
But in the other hand
Dan Heng IL doesn’t need to swim in HSR
vivid moon
yeah
daring raft
I try to keep an open mind
vivid moon
ye
daring raft
Cuz after seeing the shit show that was Scara doompostkng
vivid moon
hanging onto hope but not hoping so hard that it becomes cope
daring raft
just cuz it was leaked he was anemo
daring raft
I’ll never take 90% of Hoyo players seriously again that follow story leaks
vivid moon
i can understand people wanted him to be electro because of his creation and purpose and stuff
but then that goes against his story
daring raft
Ironically enough
vivid moon
and the references they wanted to make lol
but yeah the doomposting was a bit much
loved his new outfit though
it's so pretty
daring raft
Him being anemo actually works with with the Raijin/Fuujin parallel they were likely gunning for anyways
vivid moon
i was never partial to his old one with the purples and reds
it wasn't bad, but the color choice felt like my eyes hurt 😭
yeah
but if they want to somehow push any idea that maybe visions are handed out in an instance of incredible will
his would be freedom from his past
hence, anemo lol
daring raft
But it’s not like Hsr always knocks it out of the park either. Let’s just say I cannot look at some HSR designs for… too long before I get nitpicky af with them.
There’s a reason I enjoy Argenti’s simplicity
(And symmetry)
vivid moon
yeah
daring raft
He’s also very solid
I don’t think there’s a single Luofo design I dislike tbh
It’s some of the Belebog and beyond designs I get 50/50 on
vivid moon
asta's still feels weird to me
vivid moon
and i know the reason for serval's, but that doesn't mean it's any easier when looking at it from the front
daring raft
and i know the reason for serval's, but that doesn't mean it's any easier when l...
This is me with topaz pants
I hate them lmao
vivid moon
pants?
i swear to god, why can i immediately find a full body, high res, image of other character models but the moment i try to find one for topaz all i see are reddit posts about how she was "nerfed" in appearance and images with people puffing up parts of her body 😭
as well as oh so many booty shots
i give up
i'm going to bed
daring raft
daring raft
That isnt even facial hair
Golden should be a Hoyo character to show them how it’s really done
analog pollen
meanwhile me with hair everywhere
vivid moon
Omg it's light blue lyney
analog pollen
oh theyre real
so ugh
when this person leaked
there were models for both male and female iirc
(altho i may be mixing it up with another chara)
vivid moon
Fuck argenti I just saw sparkle
She's finally coming
Although it's weird
Why did they drip market one character 2 days ago
And drip market two more right now
analog pollen
Why did they drip market one character 2 days ago
thats how they always did it for this game
they never revealed all the new patch charas at once
it's 1 per day
hollow blaze
Male furina
analog pollen
well
a friend sent me this
(I do find it funny how a guy has better looking hips/thighs than her tho)
nimble condor
i see the saying "guys make the best girls" still applies
daring raft
(I do find it funny how a guy has better looking hips/thighs than her tho)
Try putting them on equal playing fields by using her art version too, you cheat!
analog pollen
if youre talking about the detached sleeves
it's from hatsune miku
mihoyo were always miku simps
the mi in mihoyo is from her lol
altho yes star rail has been overusing that design scheme
vivid moon
https://vxtwitter.com/sashacall/status/1735153983113814457?t=_3MeCk6__FxeT08HU7b...
i don't understand the meme
what do they mean by "have a type"?
oh wait
the design thing you sent below
i thought you meant the breasts
daring raft
basically they're 'calling out' Hoyo designs for being too repetitive or having an obvious "template"
at least moreso in HSR
to them
but idk this seems pretty usual in Hi3
vivid moon
also are we not gonna point out how the vast majority of those are the xianzhou characters lol
daring raft
and sometimes Genshin. But it's mostly just detached sleeves
vivid moon
the exceptions being an unobtainable march 7th skin and two unreleased characters
daring raft
also are we not gonna point out how the vast majority of those are the xianzhou ...
they're making me feel bad about liking Xianzhou designs lol
daring raft
nah if that were the case I'd have quit Genshin ages ago lol
analog pollen
i mean
theres only 2 nations for now
and one of them holds most of the new character releases
daring raft
let's be real, I'm pretty sure people said similarly about year 1 genshin anyway
vivid moon
yeah
open lotus
im pretty sure I've found this to be prevalent when I used to play genshin lol
I would be like "damn mhy likes armpits" or something
daring raft
Jean mostly
daring raft
This just makes me mad at Genshin again
Genshin never won 3 awards simultaneously in year bro
Mostly nominees and a couple wins across the years at best
nimble condor
Genshin never won 3 awards simultaneously in year bro
I can still be mad they never gave us anything close to this
daring raft
But not to this extent
daring raft
I can still be mad they never gave us anything close to this
Sure but at least some context would help
But tbh
Even with these circumstances
This is hella unusual in general
nimble condor
Kinda
Honkai is at a point where it just throws at you 5 stars like it's nothing
Genshin will not let you get anything for free to save its life
And now hsr is giving 5* really early
daring raft
Honkai is at a point where it just throws at you 5 stars like it's nothing
They did this
But idk what more they’ve done besides this across hi3
Or precedents
nimble condor
They give one free very anniversary
The last patch they gave 2 free S ranks
And you can farm like half the S ranks anyway
daring raft
They give one free very anniversary
According to a friend
Honkai Impact: took 5 years to give away limited S-Ranks
nimble condor
Idk when they started doing it but I know you could farm a few before they just have them out for free
analog pollen
ye I know honkai gave out multiple free 5stars for a limited time
when I started playing I got herrsher of the void for free for doing a few newbie stuff
but yea it's wild
when I first saw it I thought it's an edit
and I wanted to pull for him when I was still playing
daring raft
ye I know honkai gave out multiple free 5stars for a limited time
I wonder what genshin’s team’s philosophy is on how they approach this stuff
analog pollen
i want to say that theyre just trying more stuff with star rail cuz it's new
I wouldnt be surprised if genshin gets something similar within the next year
if not then
im not really sure whats going on
considering that star rail is currently more popular than genshin afaik?
(tfw hoyos only competition is itself)
nimble condor
the way to fix genshin is to make the "genshin killers" but only Hoyo can make them
analog pollen
ig thats true in a way
hsr is a lot more similar to other gachas on the market
so maybe thats why theyre more f2p/new player friendly?
daring raft
hsr is a lot more similar to other gachas on the market
It’s way way way more combat gameplay oriented than genshin at least
Genshins more ‘spread out’
daring raft
I wouldnt be surprised if genshin gets something similar within the next year
At the very least it’s closing in on some of the QoL features HSR has already while bringing up their own perks
Just somewhat more slowly
analog pollen
It’s way way way more combat gameplay oriented than genshin at least
when I was playing I was talking to a friend how it feels like in some regards hsr was made to compete with fgo (which was basically the only real competition to genshin)
gameplay loop is a mix of combat, cutscenes narrative stuff, and griding
the settings involve traveling to different worlds
I think some of the qol stuff was similar but I forgot exactly what
and then theres some more on the nose stuff like clara-svarog/illiya-berserker type stuff
daring raft
when I was playing I was talking to a friend how it feels like in some regards h...
One thing is for sure
I’ll def fiddle with HSR far sooner than I would fgo lmao
analog pollen
realistically im probably not touching either
hrs made me realise that I dont enjoy gachas where combat is the main focus
daring raft
hrs made me realise that I dont enjoy gachas where combat is the main focus
Me except Hsr made me realize I feel less inclined to commit to turn based gachas
(I still wanna give Zzz a chance since I like active combat)
analog pollen
included?
daring raft
Fixed
analog pollen
ah
humu humu
idk im very picky with active combat
a lot of times it boils down to just memorizing an optimal rotation then just mindlessly spamming the buttons in that order until everything dies
im not really into that
only games where I actively enjoyed the action combat were sekiro and the new spiderman games
daring raft
If there’s fun synergy in ZZZ units like I have with genshin units maybe there’s a chance
But I’m iffy at the fact that you need stamina to even play the thing so far
analog pollen
wait
what
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177616646215573618.webp?size=48&name=pekodespair&quality=lossless
daring raft
wait
You how in genshin
You can revisit bosses and domains whenever you want
But in HSR you’re more limited?
That’s ZZZ too
For now
analog pollen
does it matter if it's just bosses?
daring raft
does it matter if it's just bosses?
Depends who you ask
If you’re me, I’d rather be able to access any permanent content wherever whenever
analog pollen
daring raft
I cook a lot
analog pollen
the way it sounded like at first was that it's like fgo and all stages need stamina
daring raft
That’s what I’ve heard it compared to rather
For certain nodes
At the very least there seems to be a “lab arena” for you to fool around with
lament bramble
It seems more like HI3's stamina system than HSR's tbh
Since story quests are locked behind it too
daring raft
Hold the phone jake
hold the freaking phone
You’re not seriously telling me I need stamina to play the story
Are you?
lament bramble
If you play for more than 5ish hours straight, sure 👀 Tho it could easily be longer depending on how generous they are with giving out bonus stamina
Honkai Impact 3rd has the same system for its story
It also has non-story stuff that can be done without stamina, but non-event story missions and resource missions all require stamina in it
Personally, think in the few years I've played HI3, it's only timegated me maybe once or twice?
usually I have too much stamina 
daring raft
If you play for more than 5ish hours straight, sure 👀 Tho it could easily be lo...
If it’s abundant enough for my average attention span, I can take it. But we’ll see. I’m iffy about it concept wise.
analog pollen
oh it's like that
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177616646215573618.webp?size=48&name=pekodespair&quality=lossless
interest to play lost
lament bramble
I'm interested just cause their animation team looks to be going all-out for it
analog pollen
i'll probably still give it an attempt just to see
but yea most likely not my thing
lament bramble
The characterization is insane for character designs that in any other game I'd despise
the animators are carrying the character design team really hard imo
daring raft
Waai Fu from Arknights
daring raft
lament bramble
We need a furry female character tho fr
Best I can offer (from what's been officially announced so far) is a fox ear girl 👀
river badger
so maybe thats why theyre more f2p/new player friendly?
I always thought being a 3D world with real time action, making and polishing the models and how attacks works is much more time consuming than just making the characters for a turn based game like HSR
analog pollen
It is but i dont see how thats relevant to how much free stuff they give
daring raft
It is but i dont see how thats relevant to how much free stuff they give
More push for player base retention?
river badger
If is more expensive to make you don't wanna give it for free
daring raft
If is more expensive to make you don't wanna give it for free
It’s why Ratio being a freebie feels like a pretty damn bizarre choice
I don’t think I’ve heard of gacha getting that generous so soon for an upcoming character
river badger
Still, making characters for HSR seems cheaper than making ones for Genshin, that's why I say why Genshin doesn't do this
And they won like three awards now? and are overall more generous, so is unexpected but makes sense in context
analog pollen
If is more expensive to make you don't wanna give it for free
Its a digital good and a limited time offer, it doesnt really matter
Once its created you can make infinite copies of it
open lotus
maybe ratio wasn’t as hyped up as other characters so they made him free?
river badger
He's not a waifu or a meta-changing character, so it can be, yes
river badger
Its a digital good and a limited time offer, it doesnt really matter
It matters Juca, they still need to be made and there's work to do even if only once per character kek
analog pollen
Thats not what i meant
Creating the character is a finite investment
Once its done its endless profit over time
Youre gonna make a profit either way
daring raft
I sure do like @river badger ‘s takes here
It’s nice to see a reasonable HSR player that has more to say than “Genshin could never”
analog pollen
river badger
Weeeell, I am not saying Genshin is perfect either, like it has been three years, why can't we get a standard banner character for free by now is beyond me
So is understandable people feel like that, is just that I don't think that's all there is
river badger
Youre gonna make a profit either way
Except you don't make profit if it doesn't sell, and the more you invest on it, the more you want it to do well in sales
There's a reason why they gave him for free and took the chance to set his banner for failure by also giving him the worst selection of 4-stars, so they don't need to include those in actual good banners that are going to sell
daring raft
So is understandable people feel like that, is just that I don't think that's al...
Mhmm
It’s why I was wondering about how exactly their teams philosophy and direction actually goes
analog pollen
There's a reason why they gave him for free and took the chance to set his banne...
People who spent money on banners dont do it for the 4stars
And the banner will show up in the future, it's always gonna make some money
river badger
People who spent money on banners dont do it for the 4stars
Nes, not exclusively of course, but is always an extra incentive if you can get a Tingyun, Lynx or Pela instead of having a Natasha, Sushang and Hook Rate-Up which makes it painful to go and pull
analog pollen
I mean sure but idont really see this as a real reason for making a rateup 5star free
vivid moon
I wouldnt be surprised if genshin gets something similar within the next year
honestly this would kinda make sense if the stuff they put into hsr from the beginning wasn't stuff people had been asking for since the early days of genshin lol
like the exploration dispatch, end game content, and other qol stuff
daring raft
honestly this would kinda make sense if the stuff they put into hsr from the beg...
Genshin dev offices are frankly very very weird tbh
vivid moon
for gensin it feels like we're finally teetering on a "when" and not "if" for some stuff, but then we still have no idea if they'll add anything else like replaying old events or more end game content
daring raft
Say what you will about “Genshin is the middle Child lol”
“HSR is the game hoyo always wanted to make while genshin is the cash cow”
But people frankly overlook a TON about how genshin is the very title that really helped bassboosted them into the status that brought them where they are today
vivid moon
oh yeah, i am in no way denying that
vivid moon
oh okay lol
analog pollen
nimble condor
so maybe thats why theyre more f2p/new player friendly?
there's probably the fact that it's a turn based game which will lead it to be more prone to powercreep maybe this is their way to aleviate it to an extent
nimble condor
hrs made me realise that I dont enjoy gachas where combat is the main focus
personally i just dont enjoy the turn based aspect of it, which is weird because fgo is also turn based and i did enjoy that combat
nimble condor
If there’s fun synergy in ZZZ units like I have with genshin units maybe there’s...
the "end game" mode i dont think uses stamina, the complaint people have is that story quests use stamina
nimble condor
https://vxtwitter.com/starrailverse1/status/1735644788471247185?s=46
hell ye even less incentive for me to play
daring raft
personally i just dont enjoy the turn based aspect of it, which is weird because...
The main thing I’d say FGO has over HSR at all is its story overall, but FGO has some worse stories than the worst stuff I’ve seen genshin or Hsr dish out in year 1
London was shit beyond shit
nimble condor
Anything before Camelot was just boredoom city
after that the writing got much better
daring raft
But at least there were some really memorable singularities
nimble condor
tho i still need to finish Lost Belt 6
daring raft
Like Babylon and Camelot
nimble condor
haven't opened it in like 2 months
daring raft
The Lostbelts seem alright but lb6 is the main highlight
nimble condor
My Oberon stuck on his 2nd ascencion art cause i can't do his quest
nimble condor
Now it’s gotten filler af according to some friends in JP lately
ye they trying to not release lost belt 7
daring raft
These guys legit just cleared the last lostbelt already but threw in a random af arc to drag out not releasing the ‘endgame’ story of Lostbelts arc lol.
Like wtf
nimble condor
that do be fgo
open lotus
hsr is like the easiest turn based game to pick up tbh
nimble condor
being easy and being enjoyable to play are 2 different things
i dont enjoy hsr too much
idk if it's the grind or if it's the actual way the combat is i just dont like it
daring raft
hsr is like the easiest turn based game to pick up tbh
Eh. Easier to pick up than FGO at least. But in general outside of gacha? Sounds like a hella bold claim.
analog pollen
what do you think would be difficult to grasp for a new player
daring raft
what do you think would be difficult to grasp for a new player
Gacha immersion days ahead. But it also depends on if this was your first rpg or not somehow. You can prolly make do either way but it’s like me recommending Genshin over stuff like Phantasy Star Universe games or LoZ first ahead as an intro experience.
But if they’ve dipped their toes already for right ahead
But FGo’s start just isn’t that aged well
vivid moon
imo hsr is less fun because there's less to do overall
i like how in genshin you can free roam anywhere in the open world and have tons of things to set your mind to
but for hsr i can't just run around and collect everything i see and work towards maxing out a certain recipe or smth
i rely heavily on the open world to satisfy my need for mental stimulation
lament bramble
<@385498089873604608> <@265126444894650369> <@295253837277560834> <@275830856189...
No thoughts, head empty
vivid moon
^
daring raft
No thoughts, head empty
So here’s the his tl;dw
“HSr is more generous cuz they have to do more to retain their playerbase and dedicate more to combat oriented content. Whereas with genshin they can afford to do whatever they want cuz it’ll generate crap tons of money no matter what they do.”
vivid moon
sounds like the exact same thing i've heard since hsr released
analog pollen
considering hsr has been generating more money than genshin basically every month since it released
idk if they actually worry about player retention
vivid moon
considering hsr has been generating more money than genshin basically every mont...
this may be because my only resource is the revenue posted to the genshinlabs site which only counts income from the chinese ios market, but recent genshin banners still seem to do better than recent hsr ones
seele's banner was 41mil, close to the hu tao/yelan banner as the highest grossing banner they've had across both games, but basically every single banner after that has been about half as much or less
analog pollen
i see that overall gacha thing posted every month by someone
(I still dont know what the source is )
lemme try to find a recent one
vivid moon
okay
i also hope they source where their info comes from so it isn't just numbers pulled out of their ass lmao
daring raft
this may be because my only resource is the revenue posted to the genshinlabs si...
Yeah we don’t have anywhere near complete overall data apparently
analog pollen
think this is the most recent
but all the ones ive seen since hsr has come out have it first place every month
vivid moon
oooh okay
daring raft
These don’t account for PC and consoles from what I’ve heard
So I wouldn’t hold to them that seriously either personally .
vivid moon
this is the site they're posting the info from
rn apparently genshin is ahead of hsr
daring raft
But Hsr going through months of high sales shouldn’t be a surprise anyway
vivid moon
and by about 30mil
daring raft
New game
daring raft
Relatively
daring raft
And with how much more combat oriented it is, it’s easier to push for newer units and upgrades to teams for it
vivid moon
new characters in one will probably affect it positively while reruns of old characters might affect it negatively (unless you're hu tao i guess)
daring raft
Genshin is prolly relatively steadier until a big hype unit comes in like a wrecking ball
Like Furina
vivid moon
yeah, i scrolled down to find the op's comment for their info
analog pollen
vivid moon
and it's just them taking a screenshot of this site lmao
vivid moon
it's the end of the period for hsr
their next patch is in 2 days
or 3 or whatever
people probably didn't spend much to try and get argenti for december lol
oh wait, november
who was it before argenti again
it was huohuo right
not many people got her afaik
and then genshin had neuvi
or wait no
sorry my brain is scattered i'm gonna go see who was when
november had furina
and hsr had huohuo
so yeah, that would explain why genshin has 30mil above hsr for november
analog pollen
but yea if you go back on their site
this is the first month since hsr launched where it did less than genshin
so idk if worrying about player retention is a big factor for the free 5star thing
vivid moon
yeah i see what you mean
didn't realize they had a back button for the months lol
and regardless i don't think they'd have to worry about retention rates
i don't see too many people complain about anything with hsr
especially since they keep coming out with actually new content every patch
and new quests
whereas you see tons of people constantly complain about "dead" patches for genshin where events are just rerun and stuff and no new regions or quests are added lol
oh, just found that apparently it is also mobile only, so we still have no idea how much money was spent on pc and console
daring raft
oh, just found that apparently it _is_ also mobile only, so we still have no ide...
Told ya!
river badger
Won't be odd if players leaving HSR were a thing as is more combat and end-game focused, so is not as casual friendly as Genshin or attractive to the general public who just like to explore the open world
Genshin is a it more colorful so children also are attracted to the game, so you can say is overall more mainstream
river badger
So can see how they need to "keep" the HSR playerbase entertained and happy
analog pollen
consdering genshin is the only gacha that does that
before genshin every big gacha was combat focused
and even now
most you get is genshin clones that are half baked
daring raft
idk if casual specifically care about exploration
It’s more approachable cuz you can do legit whatever whenever
analog pollen
i agree
daring raft
So masses can feel more attracted to that
river badger
Except Genshin doesn't appeal just to gacha players, everyone who wants a free BotW-like experience likes playing it too
analog pollen
it's just that idk if that's a good reason
daring raft
I don’t think it’s the only one in any case
But it’s def one of the major playing reasons without a shadow of doubt
Honestly
Fan bases among hoyo games sure are sth
With an odd symbiosis
If you run into ‘those fans’
You play genshin?
“Guess what? You’re playing an inferior cash cow lol. Look at the soul HSR is.”
You play HSR?
“Imagine playing boring turn based game that has to do so much to retain its players with meta bait”
You play either?
“Y’all are mid play the one true gacha with even better story and characters in HI3.”
Next thing you know the cycle repeats when ZZZ is out once again
Granted this is any large fanbase
analog pollen
live service games are designed to be something you make a permanent part of your life, people can't really afford to play multiple of them Unless youre a degen so they have to make up reasons to hate on the ones the didnt pick to feel better about the choice they made
tribalism at its core
daring raft
live service games are designed to be something you make a permanent part of you...
Yeah it’s like
You play 10 gacha games? Good for you?
Stick measuring contents are so out there with gacha games in general
river badger
Me totally not playing 6 gacha/grind games right now
analog pollen
i wonder that about a lot of live service stuff I used to follow
like I used to be really into a lot of jp card games
and every time there was some controversy in the community I always wondered what jp players thought about it
but I have no idea where to even begin to look into that
open lotus
i rely heavily on the open world to satisfy my need for mental stimulation
personally this doesn’t work for me since I went with the perfectionist speedrun route and got burnt out upon chasm’s release 
hsr checks off my boxes more so I’m content, simply put
lament bramble
wdym new game
Think the point they were making is that you could argue that HSR is still in its honeymoon phase, where it can still ride hype about the game as a whole to sustain sales vs needing to offer something dramatically new/different to bring in new customers.
Genshin is at the three year mark, so it's going to have a much harder time finding new people to try it out and bump up its sales numbers 👀
daring raft
Wouldn’t say ‘much’ but def harder yeah
But this is any gacha game down the road
Though genshin kinda slides off some of the bigger caveats with these kinds of games for the game that it is
lament bramble
That being said... for a game three years old, their monthly downloads focus are still really solid
daring raft
Or handles it better than most potentially
lament bramble
daring raft
That being said... for a game three years old, their monthly downloads focus are...
Yeah it’s steadied out it seems
vivid moon
What’s CN’s reaction to all this?
could always ask one of the numerous china-based members we have in the server lol
analog pollen
im genuinely impressed genshin is making like 50% more than the next highest grossing gacha even after 3 years
vivid moon
Think the point they were making is that you could argue that HSR is still in it...
ohh okay
analog pollen
it's quite the feat
daring raft
im genuinely impressed genshin is making like 50% more than the next highest gro...
It’s one thing to have one hell of a hype faze
It’s another to keep yourself from fizzling out
vivid moon
it's quite the feat
it honestly is
daring raft
See Girl’s Frontline
vivid moon
oh, that's the game one of my friends used to be absolutely obsessed with
daring raft
That had a hella hype train around it but now all/most of what you see are memes on
“How tf are you still alive?”
lament bramble
All I remember about it is the anime had a pretty nice OP
daring raft
lament bramble
analog pollen
ive heard the name before but dont know much about it
(also ngl all these edgy waifus with guns gacha kinda blend together in my head idk whats what)
lament bramble
(also ngl all these edgy waifus with guns gacha kinda blend together in my head ...
Main reason I couldn't get into Arknights tbh. That monochrome with neon highlights aesthetic does nothing for me
daring raft
Main reason I couldn't get into Arknights tbh. That monochrome with neon highlig...
The only thing arknights has to sell me on
Is Waai Fu
analog pollen
all I know about arknights
vivid moon
i liked arknights at first, for like 2 weeks
analog pollen
is that is has a banger soundtrack
daring raft
But the anime looks good
lament bramble
Indeed
vivid moon
then just essentially dropped it
and never touched it again until 3+ years later and played it for 2 days out of boredom
then stopped again lmao
lament bramble
Havent played more than 5-10ish hours of Arknights, but I got like, 15 songs from it on my phone
daring raft
Like
vivid moon
my favorites from arknights were silver ash and the blue and pink ski shield girl
loved them
everyone else was meh
lament bramble
Jak 3 gave it a pretty solid ending and it just stopped there
Aside from one random racing game I never got to play
analog pollen
a friend had some of the games
I dont remember which ones exactly
used to go to his house and watch him play
I dont think we ever finished any tho lol
lament bramble
Imo, Jak 2 > Jak 1 > Jak 3.
Jak 2 had the best story, Jak 1 had the best gameplay, Jak 3 had the best visuals 👀
analog pollen
its been like a decade and I remember next to nothing and barely played them anw so can't really comment
lament bramble
Jak 2 was kinda a GTA vibe was a hell of a contrast
vivid moon
i can't comment because i never played them either and my brother never asked my mom for them when we were young
lament bramble
i can't comment because i never played them either and my brother never asked my...
Never knew your childhood was so deprived 
analog pollen
lament bramble
I remember I got grounded the week before Halo 3 released.
Let me tell you, that fucking sucked
vivid moon
only things i got to play were pokemon because it was on a ds my brother's dad gave me without my mom knowing, super mario bros and donkey kong country on the snes before i was old enough to start being grounded for bad grades in school, and minecraft whenever my mom would bring us to her friend's house and i'd hide in her son's room playing it with him
lament bramble
Some of the youth here might be too young to remember, but the hype around that game was so insane 😭
vivid moon
otherwise i was grounded for 6 straight years and wasn't really allowed to do anything from listening to music to watching tv to playing video games or even drawing
and had to find ways to sneak my stuff away to get some form of entertainment to keep the stir crazy at bay
lament bramble
Yeah... used to bug the fuck out of my mom when she'd ground me
Cause like, she'd just keep taking away forms of entertainment, but I could entertain myself with anything. Eventually, all that was left was books, but I was a huge reader...
So she was like "wtf do I do? Tell my child to not read?"
vivid moon
oh, and i played wizard101 whenever i visited my dad and grandparents, played viva piñata whenever i saw them too, and would try my best to sneak my laptop back when my mom would be out but she'd only be gone for 2 hours and i ended up learning how to lockpick her door when i was younger 😭
just to get it
and if she found my laptop missing she'd immediately take it away again and hide it somewhere else in her room
vivid moon
Yeah... used to bug the fuck out of my mom when she'd ground me <:KEK:1024468566...
yeah LOL
but she took my books away as well
or at least any that weren't textbooks
lament bramble
or at least any that weren't textbooks
...I would read textbooks too. Trick didnt work
vivid moon
it got so bad and to the point where i was locked out of my room (because she turned my lock back around since it used to be used to lock me in my room) and i'd be made to sit at the kitchen table the rest of the evening after getting home from school so i couldn't use anything without her watching me lmao
yeah but i didn't like my textbooks they were boring
i hated math and history bored me at the time
i literally could not stay awake when reading a history book