arent they using the same tactics?
#HSR Trash Can
gray fractal
we will see. I am saying that I haven't played many gacha games, but genshin is by far the worst in that department.
analog pollen
just slightly more frontloaded free stuff
if you think genshin is the worst you really haven't seen what the market is capable of lol
daring raft
just slightly more frontloaded free stuff
this. It has to compensate different cuz it’s a whole different kind of game entirely.
the reason why chests give you 5 primos is cuz you’re on more closed off sandboxes
gray fractal
if you think genshin is the worst you really haven't seen what the market is cap...
I don't care about gacha market. Of course there is always something worse. But Genshin is not good at all
daring raft
and this early in on the game you have tons more stuff to do now than you would if you were caught up with most of Genshin’s stuff atm
it’s an ‘illusion’ of generosity that’s reeling more people in from the getgo
but give it several months to a year and it’s relatively gonna thin out
and we’ll see its gacha colors spotlight more just like Genshin or any other.
gray fractal
but give it several months to a year and it’s relatively gonna thin out
well, even initial generosity is pretty good. Because if you are starving for the premium resouces from the get go like it was in Genshin, you just play a constant catch-up game, because you rarely can have what you want. But if you get enough stuff from the start and don't try to catch up, then you can allow youself more lenience in what you spend you premium currency on
daring raft
well, even initial generosity is pretty good. Because if you are starving for th...
thing is they’re literally reincorporating a bunch of stuff Genshin had already established but added over time for the most part .
Ascend characters for pulls? Genshin added that first eventually. HSR just gets if off the bat.
Adventure Log adding Embattle with more pull rewards in later patches? HSR gets that right at the getgo. etc etc
They’re just being smart about it and not totally reinventing the wheel.
Anyone starting genshin now has like 4 whole regions worth of f2p primo gems all over+plus that and more.
Hoyo’s cleverly strategizing cuz:
Fontaine is right around the corner and they can afford to slow down in prep
HSR is out and can capitalize more in the meantime.
Hoyo wins
it’s all part of the plan.
anyway off to bed
gn
gray fractal
thing is they’re literally reincorporating a bunch of stuff Genshin had already ...
well, I just hope MHY relax their marketing department a bit (I don't care in what way, just not the early genshin way). I don't want to play their gacha because of Genshin, so I hope that ZZZ would be better in how they monetize it.
gray fractal
good night
night
gray fractal
it's morning for me tho <a:Y_KEK:792821099062362122>
it's not me who is messing up their sleep schedule tho 
gray fractal
lime i said gn to contemporary <:A_CryLaughTao:933705205931999292>
I read only highlighted wall of text, not 2 letters in the end of it all
pulsar junco
maiden escarp
aaaaaaaaa
gray fractal
aaaaaaaaa
I feel like Hoyo were training their own chatbot and then just copy pasted some testing sessions into HSR
maiden escarp
Honestly not a bad idea for the daily texts
I'm normally against ai being used to replace writers and all that, but silly little texts being generated doesn't sound horrible
gray fractal
I'm normally against ai being used to replace writers and all that, but silly li...
Why people continue to think that AI would be replacing anything? In the first place, people would just use it to be able to get more quality text in shorter time.
It's not AI that is replacing people, it's management that is reducing spending in areas, where they should not. After all having an author+AI is way better than having either author or AI
maiden escarp
I'm just not a fan idk
gray fractal
I'm just not a fan idk
you aren't that old to be a conformist and not adopt emerging tech
maiden escarp
I'm 20, close enough 
gray fractal
I'm 20, close enough <a:GRIEF_DISAPPEARS:881317105289527317>
dude, if you can't adopt new tech at 20, imagine yourself at 50. And it is possible that the tech emergence might accelerate, so we would be getting new stuff every 10-15 years compared to once in 25-50 years like it was before
maiden escarp
I just feel like ai doesn't capture human emotions, cause it can't actually feel them
Obviously it'll be integrated, but I still prefer things to be made mostly with the human mind
So it's mostly like, art and literature being enhanced with ai that I have a problem with, the actual tech industry can probably use it just fine
gray fractal
I just feel like ai doesn't capture human emotions, cause it can't actually feel...
sure. That's the point of NOT using AI to do the WHOLE work. Like authors just outsource menial tasks to AI not wasting their creative energy on low-impact things while overseeing the creative project and implementing their vision where it is necessary
gray fractal
I just feel like ai doesn't capture human emotions, cause it can't actually feel...
well, AI is a part of human mind. That's the problem of people somehow seeing AI as a separate thing, where it is actually a child of human minds. Like whatever AI produces is derivative from human works
content creators do a lot of stuff that doesn't have creative impetus behind it. AIs are perfectly fine in emulating those areas
gray fractal
So it's mostly like, art and literature being enhanced with ai that I have a pro...
there is AI art that has won competitions (yeah, controversial, but that's beside the point). You can't quite say it doesn't have artistic value or human feelings behind it. There is artistic value in AI-enhanced content, people just outright denying it for some reason.
If there is an AI art that is pleasing to look at, then it is worth it
vivid moon
Why people continue to think that AI would be replacing anything? In the first p...
I feel like it'd be less controversial of a topic if people just did that, but quite a few apparently don't in order to cut costs which is what upsets a lot of creatives
Aside from the whole "they've stolen art without artist consent in order to train and program their ai" for visual art
Ai can have an insane amount of practical use and help in a lot of areas of creativity, but off the bat it seems to be used to replace people and to do things like cheat on exams/papers
gray fractal
I feel like it'd be less controversial of a topic if people just did that, but q...
well, and lo' and behold, people are angry at soulless AI, instead of money-hungry project managers? (which is not even assured to happen, since AI is not really that widely adopted, I am pretty sure AI+human combination would outstrip by miles any AI works without human intervention)
vivid moon
No, people are angry at the project managers when they use it
It's why there's an uproar whenever someone posts something that's ai generated (visual art)
gray fractal
No, people _are_ angry at the project managers when they use it
they shouldn't be
my point was, being angry is not really helpful in this case
vivid moon
I don't think anyone is actually angry at the ai program itself, it can't hear their complaints, they complain about the people who trained the ai via non-consensual use of their art and are angry at people who use it to say they made something when the majority of the application was via the ai itself and little input from the "creator"
gray fractal
in the end, if people are satisfied with consuming half-baked products instead of quality products, then it's just how it is
vivid moon
Yeah, sadly
Which is mostly by the side who sees the most profit from it
Which would probably put more people out of a creative job than they were prior lol
gray fractal
I don't think anyone is actually angry at the ai program itself, it can't hear t...
well. initially, yes. But imagine people who are not savvy in these areas, hearing just rumors? The impression they get is that AI is bad somehow, which is bad by itself
vivid moon
Until they mention it to someone and they explain it because, as you said, ai is soulless
And they remember "oh yeah, technology isn't alive"
Anyway, I gotta go
Work starts soon 
Just wanted to get my two cents in
gray fractal
Until they mention it to someone and they explain it because, as you said, ai is...
That was a hyperbole though. I don't think that AI is soulless (it's a complicated topic though as I said, ai is just a derivative of human's mind) and that managers are simply money-hungry. It's just a way too simplistic view on things, that would never be able to describe anything properly
narrow fulcrum
So where in starskiff haven is this guy?
analog pollen
where did you get it from
narrow fulcrum
I encountered a woman here who gave it
narrow fulcrum
It took me only some minutes to level up jingyuan to 60 and make most of his traces to level 4
wraith token
rip savings
analog pollen
oh they start costing weekly boss mats now?
welp
guess that means I can finally cap off traces and start artifacts
rocky mica
Why stelle looks so small here
wraith token
wait, you're right HAHAHA
daring raft
overhead POV
analog pollen
<:A_WheezeTao:793919527208484924>
wait how
narrow fulcrum
frozen lintel
ong
narrow fulcrum
Got to the third one and it happened that it has a puzzle
maiden escarp
Got Jing yuan's lightcone 
frozen lintel
Got Jing yuan's lightcone <:LETSGOOOO:731341727037915137> <:LETSGOOOO:7313417270...
got a blue light cone
narrow fulcrum
Got this from the simulated universe
analog pollen
do you have jing
maiden escarp
thank you asta 
narrow fulcrum
do you have jing
Yes
analog pollen
then be happy
analog pollen
thank you asta <:SaraPray:875025091853951046>
what was this from
analog pollen
that's just pocket change
wraith token
analog pollen
cursed
narrow fulcrum
I can't find these
analog pollen
glasses and scissors are random
actually all 3 are random
if youre missing the green scissors I think they only show as an option if you have 2+ broken curio on you
that's the only time I got them
the other ones is just rng
the box shows up as a p common option from herta during resting sites for me
analog pollen
for the lore people
ive noticed something interesting while going over the official trailers
in this post they give us info cards for all the aeons,both from the playable paths and those from the sim worlds, except for the harmony one. Seems like they dont want us to know any details about it yet.
and in this trailer it feels like they're putting extra emphasis on the harmony aeon segment
throughout the whole trailer it's the narrator girl talking,but for the harmony aeon segment only they start using a voice filter and it makes it sound like the aeon itself is talking to you instead
and that whole "to you who have reached the end" bit gives me dainsleif in the travail trailer vibes
also sidenote but ofc they'd make us wait till the very end to get buffer mc smh
reading the databank entries
it kinda gives me vibes that the harmony path is more or less the complete opposite of the destruction path
their goal is to make the whole universe cooperate together in an utopic fashion
I wonder if that's related to our goal of killing nanook
maybe it's that whole thing kafka told us about only an aeon being able to kill another aeon
and we get the harmony's help
maiden escarp
Is our job to collect the aeons like pokemon and make them take down nanook
narrow fulcrum
Let's also release oroboros to end everything because yes
maiden escarp
It'll finally end honkai
vivid moon
Sweeeet
wraith token
tip: spend
vivid moon
Tip: be me
analog pollen
wow
wraith token
analog pollen
whata touching story
wraith token
I thought they were just cute little chicken nugget nubs
lmao what
vivid moon
Nubby legs pompim
analog pollen
@maiden escarp get in here
daring raft
<:A_WheezeTao:793919527208484924>
Pom-Pom is a boy?
maiden escarp
<@242539687464402944> get in here
what
analog pollen
kc wants to eat pom pom again
maiden escarp
He does have nubs tho
analog pollen
youve been converted
narrow fulcrum
Just two more levels until equilibrium 4
analog pollen
Godspeed
vivid moon
See, chicken nugget nubs
analog pollen
dont chicken have dino feet tho
narrow fulcrum
Now what should i pick for the two empty ones
wraith token
you are farming relics at what TL?
you might wanna plan on checking if your resources are adequate on TL50+
narrow fulcrum
I have no idea where to find that last one
nimble condor
<:A_WheezeTao:793919527208484924>
star rail's 1.1 update looking kinda weird
clear parrot
I have no idea where to find that last one
I think I got it a bunch of times just exploring normally
maiden escarp
Huh
wraith token
Ast-rolled
analog pollen
I have no idea where to find that last one
the goggles are just a regular drop from herta, just check what curios she sells every time you got to her
are the scissors red or green?
red is also a regular drop from herta I think
green is technically also a regular drop,but I think they only spawn if you have 2+ broken curios on you when you talk to herta
vivid moon
Golden flexing
maiden escarp
Damn right, it was the perfect opportunity
And it actually fit my curios cause I have 2 broken ones
vivid moon
Lol
maiden escarp
I'm in the middle of the world 4 boss fight though and he summoned my worst nightmare
Chainsaw man
vivid moon
maiden escarp
pulsar junco
have a perfectly normal herta
tbh Luka looks like he is best boy material
I haven't watched the special version program idk shit about him, but his splash is so good
pulsar junco
he is an upcoming chara in star rail
there is a light cone with him already in game
maiden escarp
I see 
pulsar junco
idk much
pulsar junco
yes!
barren star
Isn't special version program tomorrow
maiden escarp
I'm a sucker for robot arms
barren star
I'm happy to get a name for the character in the light cone so I can stop referring to him as shirtless guy
pulsar junco
let me pull up the light cone
lament bramble
let me pull up the light cone
lament bramble
Because I woke up and chose violence
lament bramble
pulsar junco
the closeup is not that bad
but the censor i hope works
now to wait for Jake to warn me
but anyway his splash is really fun and I hope he has a nice character too
lament bramble
now to wait for Jake to warn me <:A_CryLaughTao:933705205931999292>
I mean, I wasn't bonking about the content itself lol
pulsar junco
vivid moon
yeee luka was officially posted as drip marketing
PANIC
WHAT IS THAT
AND WHY DOES IT -300 SPEED ON DAN HENG
daring raft
gotta go fast slow
barren star
Shame luka is in 1.2 since I probably won't be pulling that patch since I'm aiming for both SW and Loucha In 1.1
vivid moon
IT DAMAGES HIM EVEN IF I DON'T TOUCH IT?
bro i can't heal him if i need to this is fucking evil
barren star
I remember facing that for the first time absolutely baffled. You can't target him for a clense either
vivid moon
it overloaded and let him go 
WHAT IS THIS ACHIEVEMENT FOR
IS IT BECAUSE DAN HENG ESCAPED THE CLUTCHED OF DEATH
WITH A FULL SHIELD
barren star
I can boot up my game and check. I need to finish my saved SU run anyway
maiden escarp
bro i can't heal him if i need to this is fucking evil
Just don't die idk
maiden escarp
Seee
barren star
IS IT BECAUSE DAN HENG ESCAPED THE CLUTCHED OF DEATH
Yes actually
maiden escarp
Anyways
vivid moon
holy shit
maiden escarp
Kc that's the fight on world 4 of su
That I got stuck on
He summons fucking chainsaw man
maiden escarp
He took my mc and I couldn't shield anyone so they just fucking died
barren star
I don't remember how I beat that fight
barren star
Probably with rememberance go brrrrr
vivid moon
i'm not i su
i was doing the main storyline
i need jades
i need lion man
i have 58 pity on guarantee
barren star
OH
vivid moon
i will HAVE HIM
barren star
Main storyline I probably used physical mc, March, asta, and himeko
barren star
Lion man is great and I'm probably going to get him on his rerun but my only 5 star is himeko so healer man takes priority.
barren star
Oh I know but its a combination of wanting a second healer for forgotten hall, and wanting an imaginary character
vivid moon
i find svarog saving literally every memory of clara and backing them up infinitely so he can never lose them absolutely adorable as all hell
maiden escarp
He's a really good dad
vivid moon
yeeeee
wraith token
rocky mica
Canon
narrow fulcrum
Heh
maiden escarp
I'm tingyun in that scenario 
narrow fulcrum
Spend more time in that relic domain and i am almost at level 49
wraith token
Spend more time in that relic domain and i am almost at level 49
you gotta plan your farm right now, better spend it on ascensions
this would take me 14 days of full stamina @ 240 per day
narrow fulcrum
I just want to get two relics for my jingyuan but idk what are the right stats
wraith token
im TL52 now, after 14 days, thats TL57 and i may not have any resource left past TL60
wraith token
I just want to get two relics for my jingyuan but idk what are the right stats
its just cdmg boots, rest atk%
with spd substat prio so you can stack em lightning lord
narrow fulcrum
These are the ones
wraith token
too early
im still with the OG
im saving everything to farm on TL60 since it is guaranteed 2 5s per run
worst is you are farming relic now before TL50, thats just guaranteed 1 5s per run, TL50+ is 1.51 5s per run
narrow fulcrum
Hm alright
wraith token
the lowest jump for EQ4 vs EQ3 is the calyx gold exp, so you can just farm it till you get to EQ4
wraith token
this would take me 14 days of full stamina @ 240 per day
RIP
also my sheet is upgraded
pulsar junco
aww this is cute
the tin man 
narrow fulcrum
Level 50 here i come
gray fractal
Wait he has a robot arm
but had he ever asked for this?
narrow fulcrum
rocky mica
Silver wolf and bronya have same hair color and style
analog pollen
silver wolf is most likely a bronya expy too
same voice actors in both cn and jp
her weapon is called prometheus
and the whole haxxor bunny thing
also apparently hi3 bronya was called silver wolf by some people
rocky mica
Is bronya’s personality from hsr similar to bronya’s personality from hi3 ??
analog pollen
belobog bronya not really
silver wolf sort of but im not sure
ik hi3 was also into video games
rocky mica
Only thing ik about the hi3 bronya is that bunny bunny jump song
analog pollen
yeye
some more info if youre curious
in hi3 bronya and seele are into each other
also bronya got tutored by welt (same person as in star rail) ,and they opened a game dev company together
daring raft
silver wolf is most likely a bronya expy too
do you think she’s gonna turn out a character that landed in HSR through multiverse antics like Welt or just her own character?
narrow fulcrum
Silver wolf also has eyes similar to the herrscher of truth
daring raft
feels weird to have two expies of the ‘same character’
analog pollen
I read her character stories in the leaks subreddit and it sounds like shes from this universe
but granted the whole thing was very vague so Icould be wrong
narrow fulcrum
She comes from punklorde
daring raft
then again we had Makoto and Ei from Genshin but I feel they can be exempt for obv reasons
analog pollen
genshin expies are weird
they're a lot more
open to interpretation
than all the honkai expies
daring raft
I read her character stories in the leaks subreddit and it sounds like shes from...
oh?! Could you share them pls?
narrow fulcrum
Bronya is the real MC of the honkai series due to how she has so many versions of herself
daring raft
open to interpretation
yeah while I never played HI3, I’ve seen a lot of people note that Genshin’s “expies” feel more like loose references revamped since much that they don’t even feel like expies the way HSR’s do.
Su and Alhaitham in particular are especially distinct.
analog pollen
Bronya is the real MC of the honkai series due to how she has so many versions o...
it's the main trio
kiana mei bronya
they show up everywhere since honkai 2
daring raft
Bronya is the real MC of the honkai series due to how she has so many versions o...
she ‘owns’ Hoyoverse the same way Saber owns Fate. /jk
analog pollen
idk if you guys ever looked into honkai 2 lore
it's kinda wild to read
it's like a prototype of the hi3 story
hoyo just keeps redoing the same story over and over, making it more detailed every time
narrow fulcrum
analog pollen
yeah while I never played HI3, I’ve seen a lot of people note that Genshin’s “ex...
between honkai 2-honkai 3-star rail,all the expies have the same exact names and look basically identical
genshin's are like
one's genderbent, a few have different hair colors, all of them have different names and ages
narrow fulcrum
Bronya in HSR last name isn't zaychik but rand
analog pollen
we dont know silver wolf's real name technically, there's still hope
and given that they gave her the same vas as the hi3 bronya, but the belobog one has different ones, I assume that implies sw is supposed to be the "main" one
narrow fulcrum
analog pollen
it do be like that
altho now that we talked about this
it's kinda surprising
we have no confirmation for a kiana expy in star rail anywhere, leaked or official
hmm
feels sus
daring raft
Bronya in HSR last name isn't zaychik but rand
do we know what her last name was before getting adopted by Cocolia?
analog pollen
I don't think we know anything about the orphans other than that they exist lol
I wonder how(or even if) they're gonna handle seele's other form thingie
(not sure what it is exactly)
daring raft
her red eyed thing right
analog pollen
oh right I forgot that's a thing
thonk
maybe she'll get a new form later too lol
tho idk how htey'll justify going back to belobog
that's one thing that bothers me with star rail's story setup
canonically we go on a planet for a while then leave it forever
most characters we meet are stuck to 1 planet so there's no easy way to become relevant again later
feels really limiting for writing
daring raft
feels really limiting for writing
it's kinda weird they took this kinda direction too. Or at least emphasized not going back as hard as they did.
analog pollen
it's even weirder when all the npcs just randomly visit you on the express
or they send you text messages asking you to come back
im like wot
daring raft
it's even weirder when all the npcs just randomly visit you on the express
I was about to say...
"I can get the characters being stuck on X planet and all -"
NPCs visit the express like nothing
also goddamn
how good is space wi-fi there
analog pollen
hahaha
we know to some extent that they can go back to older locations cuz the deal we made with herta during the main story was that we'll occasionally come back for a checkup
but it's never explained exactly how this whole backtrack thing works,and a lot of other cutscenes made the departure sound very permanent
¯_(ツ)_/¯
daring raft
but it's never explained exactly how this whole backtrack thing works,and a lot ...
watch them go:
"I'll wait for them even if it takes 700 years"
annual belobog story event comes out around a month later
7 times in a row
/jk
rocky mica
it's kinda weird they took this kinda direction too. Or at least emphasized not ...
I think they’ll go back eventually to older places bcoz of time limited events and that would be possible bcoz of the star rail
daring raft
I think they’ll go back eventually to older places bcoz of time limited events a...
Trailblazer when there’s a belobog event offering free stellar jade
analog pollen
i really hope they address this at some point, it's a really big ludonarrative dissonance for me
rocky mica
i really hope they address this at some point, it's a really big ludonarrative d...
A really big what?
analog pollen
ludonarrative dissonance
when the story of the game and the gameplay of the game contradict
rocky mica
when the story of the game and the gameplay of the game contradict
Damnnn okk
narrow fulcrum
He is looking fine for a robot
analog pollen
ohh we see screwlum in the museum event?
analog pollen
(p sure hes a 4star)
maiden escarp
Nooooooo
wraith token
wtf
frozen lintel
He is looking fine for a robot
Reminds me of that dude from battle born
vivid moon
https://tenor.com/view/bronya-seele-bronyaseele-seele-x-bronya-bronya-x-seele-gi...
That's actually beautiful, I love that 😭
nimble condor
wait
@vivid moon have you never seen the full video of that
Azure waters is one of the many reasons Seele and bronya are the best
vivid moon
No I haven't seen the full video- it's fanmade and not official?
OH WAIT
ITS ON THE OFFICIAL CHANNEL
nimble condor
vivid moon
IM BLIND
nimble condor
it's always been official
vivid moon
I'll watch it when I'm done with work
I have a half hour left I'm on my last break because all breaks have been later by like an hour or two today
nimble condor
im holding you to it
vivid moon
!remindme 30m
nimble condor
im not a bot but ill remind you
nimble condor
I dont take commands
nimble condor
vivid moon
Oh wait it might be because there's no bots in the thread LOL
@verbal swallow
HU TAO IS OFFLINE?
BITCH IS OFF FOR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND
nimble condor
cya in 30 mins
analog pollen
honkai impact 3rd has a crapton of very cool animations on their channel
it's really impressive
nimble condor
@vivid moon it's been 30 minutes time for gay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p461V9fy4jo&ab_channel=HonkaiImpact3rd
nimble condor
analog pollen
but theyre kids 😭
nimble condor
during the orphanage yes
in current story they are young adults
bronya just short af
vivid moon
Yeee
maiden escarp
Gaphid when yuri exists 
nimble condor
I'm a devout believer in the truth of yuri
vivid moon
Me too
daring raft
if only the dynamics between their counterparts in Star Rail wasn't so hashed out
wraith token
wtf
oh i got the formula wrong, its actually just 4.74 days per char you want to pre-farm lv80 (4.49 days if you chose to farm char asc mats beyond TL60 which gives 5 asc mats instead of 4)
wraith token
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rocky mica
Lore :
Silver wolf’s home planet is punklorde
vivid moon
CODES?
CODES
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODES
also thank you haru for the codes i did not watch the livestream
wraith token
also it wasnt live, they just uploaded the whole vid
narrow fulcrum
So we can confirm that silver wolf was never the same person as haxxor bunny
vivid moon
oh lol
vivid moon
vivid moon
I WANNA KNOW TOO
I WANNA HEAR BRONYA SWEAR
oh 😭
she
she is so precious
oh my god
analog pollen
wraith token
ughh too far
analog pollen
theres also one for planar artifacts
wraith token
yeah much earlier, 23rd of June
im TL60 by 5 days before it, good time to farm (if new difficulties unlock)
narrow fulcrum
I am reaching level 50 tomorrow
analog pollen
welcome to the club
narrow fulcrum
Just what are you mythus
narrow fulcrum
Is that eden
analog pollen
who?
wraith token
analog pollen
why would you ruin cute adorable qq like that
rocky mica
Ruin? Thats an upgrade
analog pollen
wraith token
vivid moon
that's adorable, i love that
IM AT 79 PITY JUST GIVE ME LION MAN ALREADY
"and someone else" 
IN THE FORM OF MEMES
IF THAT WERE TRUE, SHE WOULD'VE WALKED OUT OF THERE DRESSED LIKE PEPE OR ANGRY CAT OR SMTH
long cat floats out of the mirror
i like how she's sort of pearlescent though, it's very pretty
vivid moon
FINALLY GOT LION MAN
daring raft
is there anything going on between Jing and Fu?
vivid moon
who?
vivid moon
oh, pink lady that looks like that one herscherr everyone fell in love with
vivid moon
i dont know her name
daring raft
daring raft
elf ears?
daring raft
vivid moon
yes her
that one
yes
herscherr of humanity or something
or envy
i cant remember
LOL
daring raft
human ego
vivid moon
that yes
wraith token
"and someone else" <:A_HmmTao:791093641565306888>
That someone who looks like Luocha
vivid moon
Is it
wraith token
"I heard that before brother Dan heng got on the train, there was a passenger who looked just like me on the train.
The person didn't seem to be very good, leaving a gloomy feeling in them. Mr. Welt, when he saw me, he turned around and left without saying anything to me, after a while, he took a device and handed me a book "About the meaning of the circumstances: no human was created evil."
That person who looked like me must have been very interesting."
The Dialogue seems to be from Luocha talking about Void Archive from Honkai impact 3rd
vivid moon
Oh
I didn't know that
So there was a character who was on the train before luocha and Dan Heng?
narrow fulcrum
I did equilibrium 4
analog pollen
I dont really see it
wraith token
analog pollen
narrow fulcrum
Got geppie
vivid moon
I love geppie
analog pollen
ah
daring raft
Trailblazer origin spoilers?
analog pollen
oh my
gray fractal
serval made it for him
more like he stole it from Serval?
analog pollen
so apparently
about that whole thing
she tells us these 5 things
but
she's playing 2 truths 1 lie with us
2 of these statements are fake
we dont know which ones
nimble condor
rocky mica
Has this ever happened to you that a very insignificant scene of a show/game becomes very addictive for no reason and you watch it many times?
This 1 second scene was the one for me
turns around
“Himeko, correct?”
nimble condor
time for pain
analog pollen
it's not hard dw you got it
analog pollen
one tip for farming that I found really useful
go look for a whale dps
like e6s5 seele
and just borrow it everywhere
maiden escarp
If you're gonna post major spoilers, spoilermark it
analog pollen
got it
maiden escarp
Thank you
narrow fulcrum
I ran out of energy while farming jingyuan ascension mats
wraith token
narrow fulcrum
Finally
analog pollen
I just learned smth interesting
remember in the intro sequence how this listen was highlighted
this is supposedly kafka using her manipulation powers on us
gray fractal
remember in the intro sequence how this listen was highlighted
this is supposedl...
yeah, that's why our interactions with Kafka is sus, since she already programmed us to have a different perception of her
I mostly believe that what she told us is not the truths but deliberate distortion of reality. So our perception is distorted concenring everything that she made us believe
analog pollen
I mean
gray fractal
so basically, she locked all our memories and made us confused about the situation we are in
analog pollen
fu xuan read her mind already
she can't really lie about anyhting in that conversation,we can just cross check with fu xuan for accuracy
and her only orders to us were like
go with the express
gray fractal
what I say is that whatever we experience as MC is distorted. If our eyes get certain image that is in conflict with what Kafka said, MCs brain would adjust the information accordingly. So our perception of reality is not actual reality
gray fractal
that depends on how much of distortion she made
gray fractal
anyway, putting certain beliefs into someone's head is very powerful. She said, that in the end everything will be made clear to us. That could be a lie. But we will act as if it was truth unknowingly. Since only players know about these commands, MC doesn't remember them
So MC will act as if Elio indeed can forsee future (which is likely a lie, since it's not future that Elio sees)
gray fractal
it's not like only the mc knows about them
what somebody knows about a thing and what the thing really is, is two different things
analog pollen
so what are you saying
that elio lied to all the stellaron hunters
to what end?
feels like youve over thinking things
gray fractal
that elio lied to all the stellaron hunters
not lied but bent the truth. So, it may look like he sees the future.
analog pollen
do you have any evidence for this?
gray fractal
like it could be a type of knowledge that is not really wise to share
analog pollen
like his instructions are super precise
idk how else he'd know the exact time and coordinates where someone would arrive at on a different planet if he didnt have some sort level of omniscience
gray fractal
do you have any evidence for this?
the existence of Fragmentum, fragments, the basis of the Silver Wolf powers and a small dialogue in the beginning of the game on Herta's station that indicated, that the timeline could be a collection of fragmented loops
analog pollen
show me
analog pollen
they technically did the loop timeline thing in honkai 2 already
I swear if elio is the expy of chuuni jesus
gray fractal
Hmm, I just restarted the game to read that diaglogue about potential time loops again... And found an interesting piece of imformation
So we have Zandar who created Nous
And Silver wolf said she doesn't want to be a Zandar hunter
so, it that was a joke about how they are Stellaron hunters
It could mean that Aeons are created from Stellarons?
I wonder, if Cocolia succeeded, would she become an Aeon?
so, if Aeon is a being of a highly condensed philosophy, wouldn't that mean that to become an Aeon they had to prove that their ideology is right?
Maybe, it's "Winner takes all". Stellaron won't evolve into or won't produce Aeon, unless the target removes all of the competition
narrow fulcrum
I still have no idea how something like qlipoth became a aeon
analog pollen
no ideology is right
they just kinda exist
it's all up to the individual on how they want to interpret it
im especially curious how they'll handle the abundance planet in the future
given how theyve already spun it in such a bad light
narrow fulcrum
Oroboros will one day breach the wall created by qlipoth and everyone will be doomed
gray fractal
no ideology is right
indeed. Ideology is right while it exists. If its the only ideology available, it would exist no matter what, because there would be no other options. So, for ideology to continue to exist, it's necessary to remove competition
analog pollen
by that logic only 1 aeon would exist at a time
gray fractal
by that logic only 1 aeon would exist at a time
yes. There might have been only 1 aeon per Amber Era.
analog pollen
thats not what I said
narrow fulcrum
Qlipoth is called the oldest aeon so it is technically the first one
analog pollen
and amber era is a completely separate thing
gray fractal
meaning, that before becoming Aeon, they destoryed everything in that Amber era that conflicted their existence
analog pollen
we know multiple aeons are alive right now
gray fractal
we know multiple aeons are alive right now
yes, but they have already became Aeons. So they can coexist with adversarial concepts
the point was that to BECOME an Aeon, you need to remove competition.
so basically when a new Aeon is recognized within a loop, a new loop starts
analog pollen
you keep jumping between multiple headcanons without providing evidence to back up the claims, it feels kinda hard to disscuss
gray fractal
you keep jumping between multiple headcanons without providing evidence to back ...
there is no evidence lol
it's just crack
that I find fun to tinker with
analog pollen
the only canon thing we know about amber eras is that they start when qlipoth starts swinging his hammer again
analog pollen
there is no evidence lol
F
narrow fulcrum
Also does lan have a face or not
gray fractal
She also called it Elio's script
Kinda suggests that Elio doesn't see the future, he likely has already experienced it
analog pollen
no it doesn't
he gives out specific instructions to the teammembers about what to do
so they can operate remotely
we have a few examples of this already
also if you don't mind reading leaks
gray fractal
well, if you return to the past, people in that timeline would think that you know the future. But in reality, you know the past, not the future, it's just that your origin of view is different. So, if you want for the timeline to repeat itself, you would want it to follow events that you know would happen, until the place in time that you want to intervene
analog pollen
\
analog pollen
well, if you return to the past, people in that timeline would think that you kn...
my point was that it doesn't suggest that being the only option( which is how you phrased the sentence)
also if he's in a loop but wants to break out of it, he'd try to do things he didn't do before, so he wouldn't know the details about them
the logic doesn't really hold up
gray fractal
my point was that it doesn't suggest that being the only option( which is how yo...
ofc, as I said, I base it off the fact that everything that Kafka said was intended to distort our perception of reality concerning certain things. So, to accomodate this theory, I have to limit some possibilities
gray fractal
also if he's in a loop but wants to break out of it, he'd try to do things he di...
I didn't say he wants to break out. Only that if he wants to get a specific result, he would have to repeat the steps anyway
analog pollen
so youre saying that the timeline is repeating itself infinitely
and hes the only one that knows about it
and he just wants to... keep facilitating the loop?
gray fractal
so youre saying that the timeline is repeating itself infinitely
not necessarily. I suppose the loop ends when a new Aeon appears
and then all the events are kinda get fossilized in the equivalent of an Amber, and that becomes a past Amber Era
analog pollen
but
gray fractal
then a new loop starts
analog pollen
the concept of amber eras is just a human construct
there's nothing tangible about it
they've just decided that in this world that's how they wanna keep track of time
gray fractal
well, it could be based off something.
analog pollen
gray fractal
sure, Amber is not a key part of this theory
even if it doesn't exist, it wouldn't change much
I just find it interesting that past events become encapsulated within Amber, so you can't change them anymore
so I put it together within this theory
analog pollen
where did you get that part from
gray fractal
imagined
gray fractal
well if nothing else I admire your enthusiasm
well, some people hate this thing I do a lot for obvious reasons (like the fact that this kind of discussion is mostly useful only to me) I have fun creating different crack theories and sometimes describing them to others to see, if something conflicts them
analog pollen
humu humu
wraith token
last fellas
Lv70:
Clara
Seele
Jingyuan
Tingyun
Trailblazer
oh shit im missing an 8th level 70
gray fractal
humu humu
I was talking about this dialogue. It seems that some senior members of Herta station have already experienced a loop
gray fractal
probably, it's not that many characters on Herta station
analog pollen
ah wait
this is the robot guy
no hes talking about the other sheila
the whole quest was about him recreating his lost lover or w/e
forgot what their relationship was
maiden escarp
Sheila was his dead wife I believe
That sacrificed herself to save her planet and failed? I think
maiden escarp
So that's not a time loop, that's just a whole age gap and memory difference
Also
We all agree we're gonna go against the IPC at some point, right
analog pollen
why against?
they've been nice to us so far
(and in the upcoming event screwllum seems nice)
gray fractal
So that's not a time loop, that's just a whole age gap and memory difference
well, it could have been made to seem like he was senile, but it's still a possibility that he is from another loop where his Sheila failed her mission and died. Since the tense he uses suggests that he might know of some events in the future
ofc, he could be just senile, but then what is he doing as a senior scientist? Well, with this game it's hard to say when it is serious, half-serious or just trolls
maiden escarp
Pretty much that
analog pollen
they change when she activates her manipulation powers
altho in that specific scene is probably just to look cool,cuz the 3d model didn't have them like that
rocky mica
\
What the fuck
Man i’m loving ||elio|| so much rn
This is a new kind of character archetype i haven’t seen before
||a leader that gives strict scripts bcoz he knows the future||
He gives main character vibes
Idk he or she
analog pollen
my headcanon is that he's the cat in kafkas gacha art
iirc they never address them with pronouns
and I just think it'd be funny lol
rocky mica
Holyyy shit that would be fucking genius
Why the fuck is story so well written in honkai star rail
Like belobog arc was the good old “go against the village leader who turned mad blah blah, rebellion etc”
But these stellaron hunters in xianzhou are soooo well written
analog pollen
all honkai stories from mihoyo are p darn good
if youve only ever played genshin I very much encourage you to do some reading about them
verbal moss
if youve only ever played genshin I very much encourage you to do some reading ...
playing the hi3 story mode tho>>>
made me experience emotions I didn't know I had
maiden escarp
playing the hi3 story mode tho>>>
me when final lesson 
gray fractal
Why the fuck is story so well written in honkai star rail
that's because turn-based genre is kinda story-based very often. So they just cater to main audience. Too bad that other genres in gaming rarely do that lol
maiden escarp
Also just cause honkai is the favorite child
gray fractal
my headcanon is that he's the cat in kafkas gacha art
would be funny if this would be an easter egg to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Possum's_Book_of_Practical_Cats by Eliot
I literally thought there was a cat named Eliot among those, but I guess I was wrong
barren star
With the Kafka using suggestion abilities at the start, I 100% believe that especially given the achievement "Listen..." That you get when the Trailblazer gets dominated by Kafka. I don't think that means she is lying to us per se, but there is a lot of stuff in the gane that is unclear whether or not it is real, or who is talking to us (mostly exploration shenanigans). But in the start the commands she gives wouldn't really change too much, they seem to be more like what was said at the loufu, making sure we don't have access to information that will cause us to go off script.
analog pollen
nice pfp
barren star
I love the theory that what qlipoth is defending against is the leviathans. I also find the time loop theory to not be too far fetched given how time loops have been a major part of every hoyo game (afaik) and there being a direct reference to an Ouroboros being a massive like powerful entity.
Thank you. I wish I saved where I got it from
barren star
Thank you i want to properly credit it.
analog pollen
im not sure of the original artist, google gave me a bunch of pinterest reposts
maybe this?
barren star
Also I also love crack theories so much they are so fun. The point brought up about amber is really interesting because amber preserves things. Keeps them in stasis. We know
Ah sent mid sentence
analog pollen
I used to be really into that stuff too when I was younger
gray fractal
With the Kafka using suggestion abilities at the start, I 100% believe that espe...
I just think it's an authors take on "Would you kindly" trope from Bioshock. I wonder if she's gonna be like "Listen" here bruh at some crucial moment of the game. And we are like "Yes, m'lady"
analog pollen
but I kinda got jaded by it after seeing a lot "theories" being thrown around that were just random fanfiction with no basis
gray fractal
but I kinda got jaded by it after seeing a lot "theories" being thrown around ...
theories are fine if they work within existing framework
analog pollen
at the end of the day you can do what you want I have no power to stop you
barren star
We know there were other leviathans but we only know the identity of one, so I wonder if Qlipoth could be working with Ouroboros to keep the universe preserved in stasis. Perhaps thats why we don't know anything about the others, they are blocked off behind the wall. Alternatively it may be the work of the fictionologists that there is no record.
The game is still so new so you kind of have to get creative. I find crack theories to be fun thought exercises. They also encourage thinking outside of the box and sometimes while the original theory is crack, will sometimes make good points that were overlooked in the popular theory
analog pollen
I mean
if you want to exercise your creative writing ability you can do that with anything
it doesn't have to be in the context of trying to figure out future plot twists
barren star
I think of them more as fun "what if" scenarios and can help engage with the rules of the world building in a technical level. "If this crack theory were true, using the rules of the world we currently know what would that imply? what has to happen to make this work?" More of a thought experiment, something to ponder. Like tinkering with world building.I also find they can lead to interesting discussions analyzing that we have. It's not everyone's cup of tea though. And that's alright
analog pollen
thats fine
im just really burned out with seeing people advertise it as a theory
calling something a theory carries certain expectations
gray fractal
well, I initially called my theory crack, so it should have alleviated any expectations
I understand people being serious about their theories, but my problem is with the game not being serious itslef, so I don't see much reason creating serious, based on facts theories
analog pollen
it wasn't necessarily about you in particular (tho that is what started it) but moreso about my experience reading theory posts in various communities over the years
gray fractal
no problem, I didn't take it on my account. Just mentioning that having serious theories in HSR could be problematic with the game having flogiston or some higher authority granting you likes for being troll in the game.
analog pollen
not sure what youre referring to
gray fractal
not sure what youre referring to
flogiston is an improvement material, that kinda makes fun of a scientific basis in the game
analog pollen
is that the food items?
I never touched those
I see
ye the game is really cheeky and self aware in certain areas
doesn't mean that it can't tell a cohesive narrative when it wants to
you just kinda have to know what's supposed to be taken seriously and what isn't based on the context
gray fractal
doesn't mean that it can't tell a cohesive narrative when it wants to
it is hard to differentiate when the game is being serious or being troll sometimes
so if you happen to build your theory on some troll fact that would be pretty upsetting
like, for example, I am not sure how serious author about Polka Kakamond killing other society members. It looked pretty serious initially, but then I read some troll piece about her and I was like: hmm, what should I believe
analog pollen
I mean
im p sure this is still canon
just because it's being a bit 4th wall breaky with the does it exist or not doesn't invalidate it
all item descriptions ive seen talk about actual events
gray fractal
yeah, it is canon, but it might be some deep spooky stuff. Or just something completely troll with author clowning on Society
barren star
Funny enough it's the closet demon that puzzles me the most. Are we talking to ourself? Is it our imagination? Is it the stellaron? Is there actually a mysterious being in the closet portal? That's the thing that made me so intrigued
gray fractal
so imagine creating a theory that takes Polka seriously, trying to figure out if Herta wants to meet her so that Polka would kill her because Herta became trapped in a semi-immortality or something. And later to find out that Polka is a clowntown that erased her face from everywhere because of how cringe she was or something
analog pollen
I dont think there's enough info to properly theorize about anything regarding her
if you want to think up funny scenarios then sure go ahead
barren star
I did just have some more serious thoughts on myriad Celestia though. Regarding the order
analog pollen
what is that again
doesn't ring a bell
ye Im not sure there's anything to go off from this
maybe if we had more info about how she looked or her lifestyle
barren star
We start the game with Kafka planting a stellaron in us. The destruction. The next time Kafka Interferes is to have us gain the favor of the Xianzhou and ally with the hunt. She also makes a point to bring up Nous in the interrogation after peaking our curiosity. I think Myriad Celestia is the order in which the stellaron hunters are collecting the pieces of elio's plan
Myriad Celestia is the Travail of Star Rail
But unlike travail the order in which the aeons are brought up do not match which path we obtain in the game
I think the order is the order in which elio plants the pieces needed to fulfill the script
gray fractal
ye Im not sure there's anything to go off from this
there is something though. As is: 1) she erased her own image from every medium in the universe 2) she killed a lot of members of Society 3) Herta wants to meet her 4)Kafka knows about her. That's a decent amount of facts
analog pollen
sure
barren star
Oh I recommend watching with subtitles because there are interesting things in the subtitles that are not spoken in the video
analog pollen
but they don't really see any sort of connections I can make with those
analog pollen
I think the order is the order in which elio plants the pieces needed to fulfill...
that doesn't really work
if he wanted us to go on the express he should have known we'd go to jarilo
barren star
Because the order in the trailer noticably does not match either our MC getting new paths nor does it match the Simulated universe order
analog pollen
it may not be any order
there's not really enough evidence
just because genshin did it that way doesnt mean star rail has to do it too
only thing I find particularly interesting about the trailer is how harmony is singled out from the other ones, I talked about it before
(and ig how swan somehow knows what we're up to )
reminds me of the narrator girl from edens zero
gray fractal
but they don't really see any sort of connections I can make with those
depends. Herta wrote that their society members don't need to involve themselves in fights on any scale and they could fend for themselves even on a scale of a galactic war (or probably against an Aeon). So the fact that Polka is going after Society Members is telling, that there should be some purpose behind it. Now, we have a suggestion that some or most Society Members could be immortal or near-immortal and may think of themselves as antiheroes waiting for heroes to come to them and end them
analog pollen
can you cite some sources pls
gray fractal
so, as a Society member you wouldn't want to go against your "colleagues" since it is pretty risky endeavor, mainly because clever opponent is much more dangerous than a powerful opponent
so, if Polka made herself an image of Society member killer, that makes her a threat to any society member, which automatically makes the whole Society her enemy which is a very stupid thing to do if you don't have a very good reason to do it
barren star
if he wanted us to go on the express he should have known we'd go to jarilo
The stellaron hunters had nothing to do with Jarilo. We had to go because the stellaron was Interfering with the trains ability to travel. Once we could the stellaron hunters directly interfered to get us to the loufu, which means if we follow the actions of the stellaron hunters the order is Destruction, then Hunt. Which so far matches the order. In which case the trailer goes to Nous, who was actively brought up in the interrogation, as someone who might know the answers to what the trailblazer wants to know. To me this suggests that the stellaron hunters want the trailblazer to go to Nous next for another key part of Elio's plan
gray fractal
can you cite some sources pls
you ask me or Jusso?
analog pollen
The stellaron hunters had nothing to do with Jarilo. We had to go because the st...
they dont have to directly interfere
elios plan seems to be for us to get all the aeon powers
he can see the future so he'd already know we'd end up on jarilo due to other circumstances
so he didnt have to intervene there
analog pollen
you ask me or Jusso?
you
barren star
Oh I'm aware but so far them interfering does seem to match the order. I'm simply proposing a reason why the trailer is like that. Might be nothing and I can't really prove this pattern until we see where they show up next, but it could be something to consider. Especially given while we walk the path of the preservation we have yet to actually learn much about the IPC and Qlipoth's wall. There is also an emphasis from kafka about needing to provide information to us at specific times or it endangers the script. This order might be the time at which we need to receive these key pieces
gray fractal
you
"To be honest, I've never thought about this before. The Genius Society has its own rules and rarely ever shares anything with the outside world. Actually, why should we care about what happens to the universe? Our research and discoveries make us happy, and that's more than enough. Even if the galaxy were to go into all-out war, we would be able to take care of ourselves with our abilities — however, judging from a different perspective..." - Preface, Herta's Manuscripts
analog pollen
gray fractal
And so we have Polka going around killing society members, which could be possibly attributed to those deaths Kafka thought was normal and Silver wolf retorted that even immortals can die as normals
And then we have Herta, who is also sort of immortal and wants to meet Polka for some reason, even though Polka is potentially dangerous
Also it is likely that Herta's immoratlity is pretty different from the one that comes with Abundance, since Hunt doesn't hunt her, and even Herta herself took part in exterminating immortal abominations made from Abundance
I actually wonder, if Herta is a space-station itself, working through her proxy-puppets. It was rather curious how it was indicated that she called the space-station after herself. And, well, it's not Herta's Space Station, it's Herta Space Station, which could be something or not
analog pollen
And so we have Polka going around killing society members, which could be possib...
oh interesting
I didnt pay attention to those lines
do we know for sure herta is immortal?
I thought shes just really old
gray fractal
do we know for sure herta is immortal?
she can reverse aging, that's pretty much equals immortal, especially since she is disembodied
analog pollen
where was that stated
(as you can see I havent looked super deep into all the lore yet)
gray fractal
where was that stated
somewhere in the Simulated Universe texts I think, I don't remember where it was exactly
well, the age-reversal part is from the same Herta's stelle description in the beginning
barren star
Iirc by the simulated universe entrance there is a hologram of herta and if you interact with it it will tell you about her accomplishments one of which is to reverse aging
rocky mica
Kuru kuruuu
vivid moon
this portrait's style reminds me of the anime style the girl in turning red used
vivid moon
oooh
pulsar junco
The Rose of Versailles, another romance
wrong link 
or even, Utena
you can tell Pela is giving fujoshi vibes given the portraits and her phone case
analog pollen
ye a lot of shojos looked like that
and honestly even a bunch of shonens
shonen manga used to look a lot different before stuff like fist of the north star ,jojo and dragonball came around
google the original devilman manga if you wanna see
analog pollen
interesting post
I initially thought that we are just travelling between planets within the same universe but now im inclined to believe otherwise
(I hate how wishywashy the in game explanations are about this tho)
narrow fulcrum
drifting oyster
i got welt and his ligth cone
pulsar junco
back to trash
nimble condor
i want welt
nimble condor
grandpa come home
pulsar junco
nimble condor
you have alzeimers let me take care of you
drifting oyster
i call jing yuan peepaw
nimble condor
nimble condor
the american in npc is coming out
oh ye
aparently
||Kafka is literally our mom ||
drifting oyster
||Kafka is literally our mom ||
MUST RESIST URGE TO SAY MOMMY
pulsar junco
pulsar junco
bruh
drifting oyster
back to why jin yaun is peepaw
nimble condor
but there's her disgusted face
nimble condor
i dont think ill have enough to get silver wolf
so idk if ill try or just save and get mommy
nimble condor
i dont intend on whaling on star rail
i already whale in genshin and arknights enough
pulsar junco
i dont plan to spend
nimble condor
my poor financial choices have to stop somewhere
pulsar junco
maybe swap welkin for the SR equivalent
drifting oyster
im waiting for mei
nimble condor
im certain every single honkai character will have a expy in star rail
cause they have more freedom there plus the setting is closer
plus welt is literaly in the fucking game
the fact that this is literally welt still fucks with me
drifting oyster
why does welt only wear one glove
pulsar junco
that is an interesting crop
nimble condor
why does welt only wear one glove
uh herrsher reasons
nimble condor
that is an interesting crop
imma be honest i saw the image and though npc was gonna say something sussy
drifting oyster
im not sussy
pulsar junco
facts gaph
drifting oyster
i have restraint
nimble condor
i dont
drifting oyster
DANG HENG DOES IT TOO
nimble condor
ill say the M word again when kafka shows up
pulsar junco
anywho
pulsar junco
the what
nimble condor
THEY CANNOT STOP ME
drifting oyster
pulsar junco
nimble condor
M||OMMY||
drifting oyster
oh
nimble condor
i can't say the other one cause bot
pulsar junco
i really like Kafka ngl
drifting oyster
i like her more for what she said to blade
nimble condor
Kafka is playfull but unlike Yae i dont wanna push her off a cliff
drifting oyster
"lets go bladie 💅 "
pulsar junco
nimble condor
still wanna know wtf is up with her eyes on that part
like did they steal her colored contacts
pulsar junco
here eyes are mega sus
pulsar junco
nimble condor
why does she have 2 different eye models
drifting oyster
the dream
drifting oyster
Kafka tell me your fucking secrets
i cannot say
pulsar junco
