・theorycrafting

[random crane]

Rip the crit rate

[stuck yew]

well you either burst last to snapshot crit rate buff or burst first to get the dmg% buff
one is guaranteed dmg increase, one is something you can get away by praying

i think the dmg is worth more (just crit 4Head)

[dense terrace]

so guys

for my mualani

i tried comparing ring of yaxhe and widsith

but not sure which one will be better for her

ring of yaxche
188k-hp goblet, hp sands
198k-hydro goblet, hp sands
208k-em goblet, hp sands

widsith
270k-112% hydro dmg, dmg% boost, em goblet, hp sands
190k-112% hydro dmg, no weapon buff, em goblet, hp sands

these are the results i got

didnt get the average for widsith yet

r3 widsith vs r1 ring of yaxche

[knotty patio]

widsith

ring 9% better over no buff widsith

widsith better 29% with buff

prolly around 20% with em buff too

ring will be more consistent but widsith will win on avg fsirly sure

get r5 ring tho

[brittle aspen]

What’s the consensus on Arle C1 + Homa vs C0 + sig? Or does it depend on vape vs chev vs mono

[unkempt sandal]

c1 + homa is definitely better

by the numbers r1 is only better if all you have is white tassel or low refine deathmatch, if you have any 5* polearm or high refine deathmatch then c1 is better

personally i wouldnt pull homa on this banner though, teapot isnt that good and homa isnt as good as pjws which is a standard weapon

[wooden belfry]

back when i calced it, the difference between using homa or signature amounted to about 8%~ on arle. Meanwhile c1 was a massive damage increase, about 30%~, and QoL with the IR.

that is, if you already have a homa on hand

[exotic osprey]

Sig is atleast 16-18% better than homa

C1 is 25%

[wooden belfry]

hmm, went to double check on the mastersheet, you are right, mastersheet says about 14~15%

the number i refered to was calcs i was personality doing to my getup, i didn't expect it to deviate this much. probably didn't take into account the BoL gained from sig

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1isNP378BTfb0e3xil7Wg6Ieqwlxivv_8gpgbgPATu2M/edit?gid=1601566532#gid=1601566532

or wait, maybe i compared homa vs sig on an already c1 arle?

[exotic osprey]

If you didnt acount for for 25% HP BOL the difference is indeed about 8%

Sadly refinements doesnt increase the bol amount

[brittle aspen]

Yah I already have a Homa (sitting on XL, but she could use Catch) - thanks for the answers! I passed on her first run and it can’t to mine with the weapon banner fate point change that the C1 v R1 is more relevant comparison now

[unkempt sandal]

it also depends on the 4*s on character banner and the other 5* on weapon banner

[brittle aspen]

4* is a scam with my luck, life is better just pretending there are no featured 4* on the banner and I just go for the 5* and anything else is just bonus

It’s why I have C2 Wanderer collecting dust, for Faru

[granite vortex]

Teapot is good I can make nice furniture sets

[karmic rock]

Does anyone have that emilie mastersheet?

[fallen jetty]

I have faru C6 collecting dust, if it makes you feel any better

[sage tulip]

why am i not proccing freedom sworn on xilonen with her e and 2 converted normals? her e's application and converted normals have diffrent ICD tags no?

nvm im just stupid

[potent anvil]

crystallize also has an universal icd

[brittle aspen]

I've also found EQ2NA to be a very reliable rotation for her

using FS

ER sands and a few subs I'm at 187% ER

[mossy spruce]

if I get one c6 should I leave them underbuilt and focus extra resin on the other team since they can manage with worse pieces?
or should I hyperinvest into the c6's build so they clear faster, leaving the second team with more time
idk which helps me more

arlecchino is the c6 in question

[wooden belfry]

resin investment scale better with the constellation investment. So yea, if both teams are currently at around the same resin investment, investing the c6 unit will result in better overall times.
But of course, there's a point where the time between upgrades become very long, and increases become marginal at best, so don't invest in your c6 forever while neglecting all your other teams

[fiery igloo]

Would reaction buffs aid overburn?

[wooden belfry]

considering it has overload, yes.

[fiery igloo]

Would it viable now ?

[wooden belfry]

the buff is not enough to bring it to the forefront of meta, but at least it might feel less shit to use

[fiery igloo]

Is there any way to amplify the true damage from overload and burning ?

[wooden belfry]

yes, you shred the elemental defense of your target with stuff like VV, xilonen, or zhongli

both burn and OL are considered pyro damage

[fiery igloo]

Any other method ?

[wooden belfry]

EM

and the character's level

[fiery igloo]

Only pyro res matters does it not

[wooden belfry]

ye, shred pyro res, increase EM and max the level of the character triggering the reaction

is the way to increase the damage of the reaction itself

of course, it can come at the cost of that unit's own personal damage, so it's usually not advised in teams like overburn to hyperfocus on the EM side, at least not on the on fielder

[fiery igloo]

Hoping iansan elevates this and aggravate / spread

[thorny ocean]

depends on what exactly you mean by that

if you mean something like clorinde emilie xiangling fischl

yes

pretty decent even

or cyno fischl thoma nahida/emilie

if you mean something like dehya nahida kuki kazuha

less so

[fiery igloo]

Yes
Something of this sort

[thorny ocean]

its already a decent team, and yeah reaction buffs buff it a bit

it was my best clorinde team when we had the burning blessing lol

[fiery igloo]

Does crimson witch buff burning damage ?

[thorny ocean]

nope

actually it might? idr

the pyro dmg bonus doesn't

oh yeah it does

[glossy nexus]

Damn Mavuika might actually be a better buff than i thought to Mualani, if she really has a nuke in her kit

Basically you can Furina EQ > Mavuika E > Xilonen EQ N2 > Mavuika Q (bomba + enable buff) > Furina CA > Mualani Bomba and speedrun shit even faster

[thorny ocean]

you ain't speedruning shit with 10s setup

but for sustained damage mayhaps

[glossy nexus]

Oh yeah forgor

[short abyss]

mauvika pyro app is kinda mid

She is not over taking furina

[plain forge]

we dont even have icds and app yet

[potent anvil]

her stuff is 2s interval, even with no icd 2u she shouldn't be able to beat Furina's app right? (assuming we're talking offfield)

[short abyss]

She's not having 4u pyro app

[plain forge]

thats true

tho not like we have better apps other than chef

[short abyss]

Honestly mauvika motorcycle stuff is a little bit wierdge, wouldve been cooler for her to use her fists like the cutscenes

Her burst could've been a huge fireball or smth

[rough sonnet]

mavuika in lil bro when

[bold pumice]

when can I expect chasca faq? 😄

[gusty yacht]

#1293550522762133637

[wooden belfry]

for now you can use this https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1C6himzQhwJWJyp8squWVh0yX0v7sDlcGxCwdfdD741U/mobilebasic?pli=1

[bold pumice]

good enough, thanks

[severe wedge]

might as well just use this one for the FAQ

[sand trout]

so about that

wait for kqm quick guide instead

not enough interest for pre tc faq

[bold pumice]

btw guys, I noticed that scion bow can be used for chasca. but can the bow trigger its debuff on multiple target or just one?

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[verbal sky]

Mavuika or arlecchino if my only natlan character is xilonen?

[knotty patio]

rn mav

but both are good so

[torn flume]

who ever you like at this point
OR
mavuika if you hate xiangling and want a sidegrade

[kind escarp]

if i were to be using baizhu with c2 furina outside of dendro teams (no hyperbloom/burgeon etc) would ||citlalis weapon|| be semi-decent for buffing off-field on top of furinas burst for someone like wanderer? for example c6 wanderer + c2 furina, baizhu and c6 faruzan/c4 jean/c6 bennett - would that hypothetically help baizhu provide more support or would it be wasteful?

[orchid storm]

where are we discussing mavuika stuff?

[vivid ember]

#1308450143603003506

[orchid storm]

tyyy

[short abyss]

does anyone have the calcs for new event weapon on clorinde?

how does it compare to the craftable?

assuming perfect shield uptime

w like kirara

[green viper]

it's better iirc but no clue about calcs, only feelscraft

[short abyss]

😔

i wanna know how close/far it is from mist

[knotty patio]

about 3 burgers of football fields far away

[clear spear]

eh, I'd say it's more like 4 shotguns per triangle eagle

[spare lance]

may someone link me to the citlali tc channel?

[potent sphinx]

#1308450892181405717

[spare lance]

Thank you

[neat niche]

Can wolf-fang be stacked off field, I assume not?

[strange torrent]

It's worse than that!

[wicked ether]

how good is lyney c2?

[topaz viper]

only slightly better with annoying condition. if you wanted to use furina with kirara, it's not enough dendro for quicken aura too

[short abyss]

that is so unfort

only 5.7% stronger is kinda sadge

compared to mist is it worse

[weak pagoda]

How much bare minimum CR you would need for Xilonen E 2NAs to consistently trigger Favon Sword passive? Statiscally?

[short abyss]

assuming 3 hits

@weak pagoda

up to you to deternime what % consistently is

[knotty patio]

4 hits easier

u q anw

eh ig 3 is for fav battery only teams, right

[weak pagoda]

Yeah true, most of the time Q is up in one rot

[weak pagoda]

This is nice, thank you, mine at 75% proc chance/3hits with triple Def% already

Speaking which, should I go for Def% or Healing Bonus% for Xilonen last piece? Assuming I have enough CR

[short abyss]

I like hb

More healing good she doesn't really scale off def%

For her support anyways

Hb better healing

[wooden belfry]

even with her signature, she caps her def buff requirement without much effort. ER DEF HB can still easily hit 3.2k with a few subs + her passive.

[neat niche]

How fast does c6 kuki stack key

Is E -> NA enough or do I have to wait a bit more

For the second E hit

[wooden belfry]

you have to wait a bit for it

you can use that time to cast her silly burst

to get key to trigger, you need about 3.5s of field time

[wicked ether]

is mavuika weapon good on kinich

[wooden belfry]

Yes

He can't trigger the buff extension, but the base duration is still 10s long, and all of the stats gained are very much relevant for him

[thorny ocean]

the base duration is 6s

[wooden belfry]

oh right, misread

[wooden belfry]

and kinich's normal E attacks are considered elmental skill hits right?

[thorny ocean]

yup

[wooden belfry]

so kinich only get to abuse this passive for 6 seconds

its still a lot of stats frontloaded

so all in all this should preform well

[orchid storm]

guys, what do you think about ororon for the arle chevy team? is it worth it just for the cinder city effect?

[thorny ocean]

he can't trigger scroll without EC or natlan characters

so

it doesn't work

he technically can with hold jump but takes way too much time to be worth

[orchid storm]

oh right cause he doesn't proc his nightsoul bullshit w/o EC

well that's lame

thank u anyway

[knotty patio]

good for mav ol tho

[inner bramble]

i hyperfocused too much on getting archons and skipped xilonen.

do we know ~how much worse a mavuika sucrose/kachina diona bennett team is vs mavuiika xilonen citlali bennet team is? im assuming like 40-50% worse? T.T

replacing xilolnen shred + dmg boost with sucrose vv + em boost or kachinas nightsoul + scroll set
citlalis pyro shred with diona c6 em boost

[thorny ocean]

diona is not enough to enable melts

use kaeya or rosa

[random crane]

does chasca's bow requre a swirl from the wearer or a swirl from another party member works?

[thorny ocean]

wearer

[hoary parrot]

Hello
Is Citlalis weapon added to wfpsim?

[orchid mural]

hello i know i can put a spoiler warning as well but i wanted to make sure if i'm allowed to talk about new characters coming for 5.4?

[sand trout]

you are free to talk about any leak as long as it doesnt involve story so yes that includes character kits

you can discuss mizuki in #1324029330396807268

[molten iris]

How does Mavuika's signature work on Kinich? Any calculations?

[jovial smelt]

I just added it for you

[molten iris]

Thank you!

[molten iris]

Is it possible to access the updated tables via a link or can I only request a screenshot of the table for a specific character in this chat?

[jovial smelt]

I don't always update them, I mostly do it when someone ask

but I have most of my calcs there https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-HxfgblwLbPHqc8lrJ77hCPXMHaFWykO

[molten iris]

Can we expect similar tables for Mavuika and Citlali?

[jovial smelt]

I didn't make a table for them, but you can check other people calc

Here for example, made by hyperwebster

[thorny ocean]

100% uptime is not correct

it has 60% uptime

the extension is on NA/CA, which kinich can't do

[jovial smelt]

but I think it's considered NA no ? even though it's skill dmg

since it work with xingqiu/yelan

[thorny ocean]

na animation

not damage

[jovial smelt]

@thorny ocean @molten iris With 60% uptime on mav weapon passive

[thorny ocean]

[sand trout]

always request for full calc access

[outer jetty]

If Pyro traveller triggers burgeon on the scroll set while in night soul state, does if buff dendro pyro and hydro?

[knotty patio]

dendro pyro iirc

[outer jetty]

Is Ganyu a good cryo applicator in double cryo Arlecchino melt team with Citlali?

[thorny ocean]

she works, not particularly great. but double cryo is generally less good than using xilo/kazuha

[outer jetty]

Ok bc I just need another cryo unit to lower Citlali's er requirements

[orchid storm]

guys, how much % better is mavu's c2 compared to c0

im seeing these c0 mavuikas doing about the same damage as my c2 and idk if im overrating c2 or if i just suck

[wooden belfry]

c2 is major, can be as high as 50% higher personal damage than c0

[orchid storm]

then why is my mavuika doing the same damage as the c0 ones im going insane

[wooden belfry]

what team are you using?

[orchid storm]

rosaria (instructor) bennett xilonen

but I've tested with citlali on optimizer and didn't make much difference

[wooden belfry]

citlali is a BIG difference

[orchid storm]

i got 100k more damage w her

i don't think that's enough to justify c2

[wooden belfry]

giving you both 48% atk from TTDS, and more shred, and much more consistent cyro app

[orchid storm]

i just wanna know what im doing wrong

[wooden belfry]

do a quick recording of your gameplay, and look over it in slow motion, look if you actually melt your hits or not

[orchid storm]

i did

[wooden belfry]

rosaria is notoriously annoying to do melt setups with

[orchid storm]

don't worry the melt isnt the problem

it's just the damage that is getting me

[wooden belfry]

[orchid storm]

like im still hitting the one mil but like

[wooden belfry]

artifact issue?

[orchid storm]

the C0s are also hitting om

[orchid storm]

idk you tell me

[wooden belfry]

looks perfectly good to me
try toubleshooting it with #1308450143603003506 peeps

[orchid storm]

is 1.2M with the citlali setup c2ish?

[timid hamlet]

can someone tell me what is wrong with my navia because i dont see anything wrong and i refuse to believe my c1 mualani does more damage than her

[sand trout]

yeah welcome to reality

my c0r1 mav does more damage than my c6 navia

it is what it is

[plain forge]

also that sands is pepega

[sand trout]

seen worse

[timid hamlet]

No i refuse to believe

stop

i wanted my navia to do 5 million

[sand trout]

keep dreaming

[timid hamlet]

SHE DOES MAX 900K

MY C1 MUALANI DOES 1,1 MILLION

petition to give geo a reaction like vape

[timid hamlet]

im trying to get a better one 😞

if ur talking to me

[sand trout]

either way this is the wrong channel for this

either go to tc lounge where everyone will laugh at you or ghelp where they will tell u to give up as well

[weak crescent]

That sands is kinda mid

[fallen jetty]

I mean, at least navia is more flexible to fit in teams than Mualani

[weak crescent]

You don’t c6 a character because they are the strongest but because you like them

Unless you swim in cash

IMO C6ing most gives an extra power boost so that you can use the character in more situations and still clear easily, kinda like future proofing their numbers but on crack

[thin gazelle]

what's the dmg increase in arle team with ciltlai from yelan vape?

[jovial smelt]

It's really hard to give a definite answer, because calcs don't necessarily have the same level of optimisation.
There are sim in both vape and melt reaching about 100k dps. But I guess melt gain a bit more value with Arle investment

[thin gazelle]

ty

[granite vortex]

!!sei

[misty thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964616918336159814/1306346120531939348/image-1.png?ex=67365521&is=673503a1&hm=32f656992b30eeb2fed278ebb216c7951a42b4398dfe7357644e686d075056f9&

[thorny ocean]

the vape 100k one is n2c. doesn't count. the real one is 90k

n2c has most likely wrong frames on the yelan procs, it doesn't actually work in game

[jovial smelt]

I see

[fiery igloo]

If I want just Pyro app without egregious ER costs, would Sunfire jean be better than Bennett Xiangling at the cost of deux circle impact ?

[knotty patio]

benny xl will have as easy time getting her burst up as benny jean

if not easier

if u want no er go mav

[fiery igloo]

Jean with amenoma Kageuchi ?

[fiery igloo]

No primo sadly

Fck Keqing

[knotty patio]

fav xl will be good too

u can go max er

[fiery igloo]

I have EL for XL

[knotty patio]

since u alrd run bennett

[fiery igloo]

I detest XL for having to feed her multiple times with ben

[knotty patio]

xl with full er fav/el and benny will have no trouble even with 1 or 0 funnels tbh

i mean like 260-300% er

[fiery igloo]

Mines at 255%

i think

So i have to return and farm that domain again

Anyways
Whats the best way to build off field ganyu ? Weapons , sets and artefact main stats ?

[knotty patio]

idp

if theres cryo/freeze aura then 4blizzard

otherwise its prolly emblem or 2pc/2pc or 4NO, weps i assume aqua/polar star/harp, stats same as dps with enough er reqs

[fiery igloo]

Hm is the ER req for her ?

[weak crescent]

Maybe but the circle impact with this one is EXTREMELY bad

Not only do you have to be inside the circle but also your enemies

Also if enemy applied a lot of a certain element good luck with getting any pyro app

(happened to me with triple kenki once)

[molten iris]

@jovial smelt Hello, can I ask you to add the Lumidouce Elegy weapon to the Arlecchino weapon table?

[jovial smelt]

In case you want the sheet:

[molten iris]

Thanks a lot ❤️

[fiery igloo]

How important is Furina in Freeze teams ?

[jovial smelt]

She is great in freeze team, but not necessary. Well, freeze teams aren't really meta right now, so it's hard to talk about meta & freeze in the same sentence

[fiery igloo]

I anticipate freeze to improve going into Nod Krai , Sneznaya and Skirk release somehow
Do freeze teams benefit off of her DMG bonus ?

[jovial smelt]

Of course freeze team benefit from dmg bonus. Dmg bonus buff every damage except transformative reaction (oveload, hyperbloom…..)

[fiery igloo]

If you do not mind, if i were to apply pyro on a freeze aura, what would happen

Would it consume the hydro first ?

[jovial smelt]

It depends who trigger it. If Mavuika does it, she will do shatter instead of melt because she is claymore

[fiery igloo]

So blunt takes precedence over pyro there

But what for Father ?

Would it just clear the frozen aura and give no melts or vapes ?

[jovial smelt]

I’m not 100% sure so I prefer not to say something wrong. But I guess it would only melt if the pyro aura is strong, or if the hydro aura is weak (basically if the hydro aura is fully consumed). So it would sometimes vape, sometime melt.

Better to ask someone else, I’m not 100% sure

[fiery igloo]

Hm kay

[wooden belfry]

@amber olive we seek your wisdom

[unkempt surge]

So

How good is Mizuki rn

[outer jetty]

Is Candace good in a team with Arlecchino, Citlali and Bennett?

[jovial smelt]

She is a bit of a wasted spot in the team

and she can also make arle melt fail

[wooden belfry]

below average for a standard 5* character
heavily relies on her off field allies dealing the majority of the team's damage, and restricts her team to have off field damage that isn't triggered by damage/attacks (no yelan/XQ/Beidou etc).
She'll be acceptable in AoE if you manage to swirl multiple targets close together, but in single target she's

swirl damage just aint it

[knotty patio]

is she rly below average

the only above average characters are tighnari and jean realistically

everything else is equally bad

ig diluc plunge is okay

[wooden belfry]

losing to sucrose on most teams is not a good sign for a 5 star.
Tighnari is above average, jean is slightly above average, mona is average, Diluc is average, keqing is average.
Dehya is below average but is very usable on c6 at least
Qiqi is uhh, yea
and now mizuki is about as handy as qiqi for most accounts. At best she works better and is more comfortable than sucrose in a furina taser team if you really want to stretch it.

[brittle aspen]

Does anyone have multi-target optimizations for Clorinde?

[visual quarry]

is there a wfpsim of arle and citlali ?

[fiery igloo]

For second rotation with furina, is using her ousia form for healing overflow to generate fanfare using her passive better than healing on fielder with a single person healer like bennett ?

or is pneuma form still better for fanfare generation >

?

[queen reef]

A few points:

• Furina's Ousia form is the form with her three salon members and only has access to healing via her C6. It is the recommended form for fanfare generation in all situations.
• The overflow healing from Furina's ascension 1 passive talent does not trigger if the source of healing is Furina herself.
• To trigger overflow healing with Bennett, you'd ideally drop HP below 70% and overheal. This generally means being in Ousia form to drain HP.

[fiery igloo]

oh ok

so ousia is the way to go with furina always

how does she perform in a Kinich Burgeon comp ?

[fiery igloo]

How good is PMC vs Thoma in kinich burgeon ?

[fiery igloo]

how does vaporize interact with burning aura?

if the underlying pyro is removed, can burning still sustain ?

[fiery igloo]

Also, does Ororon make for a good scroll slave for Kinich ?

[timid hamlet]

Even at c6? I really want to use her because I also use characters for lore and I love her personality/lore but if she sucks I can’t use her ig

[wooden belfry]

her C6 is frankly not a big increase to her team damage. it's an increase but don't expect a night and day transformation like deyha c6

[outer jetty]

How do you utlilise a c6 Furina dps rotation because it feels really clunky atm. If everyone is at full hp at the start of the rotation and you need variation in hp levels to build Fanfare Stacks, you need to deploy her summons at the start of the rotation which gives a really short hydro infusion window + you need to set up the team's buffs.

[celest rock]

Basically the first rot sucks (especially if you use key)

[fiery igloo]

Keqing-Nahida-Lanyan-Fischl
Can Keqing make use of Calamity of Eshu ?

assuming she can make use of the 9 odd seconds she would have left in the rotation

[outer jetty]

Has anyone tested pyro traveller burgeon team with Emilie, Furina and Bennett with pyro mc using em stats on scroll set?

Basically everyone besides Bennett is supposed to do damage

[fossil rune]

Wriothesley calc sheet
Wrio weapon artifact constellation comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PTIZMCye-NuFV34vXvRwo-ERBdgsg2elpUGyL3qHruM/edit?usp=sharing

[weak pagoda]

what is a good stopping cons for Charlotte?

[thorny ocean]

0

[mossy spruce]

does earth shaker's passive buff mavuika's on-field dps?

[thorny ocean]

no

[mossy spruce]

damn

what would you recommend as a f2p option instead?

are there any better options than tidal shadow or do I have to cope with that 😭

ill be running citlali so im not expecting to take damage considering her shield
so theres nothing TO heal and the passive feels useless

[sand trout]

i hope u got mailed flower

[mossy spruce]

i didnt

:(

[fleet pawn]

Is 40 ping too high for echoes of the offering for C6 Wanderer? I get marginally better damage with echoes than with MH assuming average number of procs but this doesn't account for any ping delay. Is 40 too high/impactful?

[fluid dock]

@snow grove https://wfpsim.com/sh/e4e7395f-dc7a-4c03-bda9-be04ae26d249 so yeah I'm pretty sure my original sim did something else with mav ca

[snow grove]

I don't have exp with mavuika sims, one moment

[fluid dock]

Wait I think this is it lol https://wfpsim.com/sh/a7bd93a6-9050-4687-bcd9-ec51e428ebd5

https://wfpsim.com/sh/03f80336-1d1d-48f6-9a65-44c62afff0d8

[snow grove]

I tried to look up of you can make mavuika do burst combos (C3F etc) and couldn't find anything

[fluid dock]

Tbh I don't know if I'm just misremembering or not, but the dps is very similar to my old config

[snow grove]

yeah the way you wrote her burst ca is how I see other people doing it. so idk how to do her combos on the sim

it looks fine to me otherwise?

[fluid dock]

She is getting 4 melts so it looks okay I guess

Sorry if I misremembered after all, I kinda panicked after seeing my old configs expired

[snow grove]

you might want to save it in a doc if you worked real hard on it (

[fluid dock]

Yeah I keep forgetting to save the text config of my wfp sims lol, thanks for reminding me

[fluid dock]

Cooking https://wfpsim.com/sh/70cda82f-92bd-4be2-8df8-ffcc7a66797e

With pseudo book

Still a big gap even with c1 mav

[fluid dock]

https://youtu.be/e7MqHIILjDg?si=krKxZF-0GzSODw_i

[thorny ocean]

https://wfpsim.com/sh/83613723-3540-4597-a8d0-17262d24edc2

[fluid dock]

Layla is really good here with the sim combo anyway https://wfpsim.com/sh/f47b18b8-1407-445b-abb4-2dc743773ca2

Only sucrose and layla can compare with the current sim combo

Although this sim does assume icewind suite energy, would prob need to favge layla otherwise

[thorny ocean]

c1+ scam energy

even with the scam energy this is -15k at c0

lol

[fluid dock]

Yea I'm more interested in c1 mav sims personally, to make her less racist

[fluid dock]

Oh that's because of c6 layla

[thorny ocean]

fix energy, goes to 97k

[fluid dock]

You need to change the rot slightly with pre c6 layla

Somehow, her c6 intervals helps with the current rot

[thorny ocean]

its still c6 layla?

just c0 mavuika

[fluid dock]

Sorry I thought you meant non c0 layla the difference is about that large because mav only gets 2 ca melts with pre c6 layla unless you change the rot

[nova violet]

Do you have any of sucrose vs xilo at c1?

[fluid dock]

These are totally outdated rn but sucrose and xilo are about the same

Now that mav is fully implemented in gcsim, I'm just going to wait for citlali's implementation as well

[fiery igloo]

Oh you are here too

Hello

Can Dehya use finale of the deep galleries for her burst ?

If there are not any turrets on field she should fulfil the 0 energy condition should she not ?

[sweet meadow]

How much effective damage increase does xilonen's weapon give to the main dps?

[jovial smelt]

Depends on how much dmg% they have, if they have 100% total dmg%, then you divide by 2 the bonus from her sig.
If they have 200%, then divide by 3, etc

[sand trout]

general ballpark is 10%

[nova violet]

Aah cool 👌

[pastel berry]

what is the interval between each of emillie's skill hits?

[jovial smelt]

1s interval hit

can apply cryo every 2 hits

[pastel berry]

cryo?

[jovial smelt]

wait I thought you talked about escoffier

lmao

[pastel berry]

so what about emilie?

[pastel berry]

so in a 22 second rotation, escoffier is hitting around 10-11 times with her skill?

[jovial smelt]

Emilie is every 1.5s
Apply dendro every 2 hits

[pastel berry]

so in a 22 second rotation emilie hits like 14 to 15 times? not including the thorn damage right?

[jovial smelt]

no

22 times if you recast it

[jovial smelt]

should be something like that yeah

[pastel berry]

i though tit had a1 second interval in between hits?

or do you mean it hits every second?

[jovial smelt]

yeah every sec

[pastel berry]

oh damn

[jovial smelt]

it depends if you cast burst though for emilie

because it replaces the E

[pastel berry]

lvl 3 from burst only lasts for 2,8 seconds?

[pastel berry]

is that correct? 2.8 seconds only?

[jovial smelt]

Yup

[pastel berry]

so it will hit 9 times within 2.8 seconds is that correct?

[jovial smelt]

Not really, that's only with multiple ennemi

[pastel berry]

not sure if i understood that right

trying to do it in GO

its so annoying cuz i dont ahve her so i cant test

[jovial smelt]

I would put 5 times average

[pastel berry]

ty

[pastel berry]

I am quite surprised GO said that attack goblet is better for my Wrio vs Cryo Goblet. Now Im not sure if I should even bother using an elixir for the goblet now that thats the case.

Although cryo goblet would still be the best for melt so i guess i do still need it.

[sage vigil]

Is it true that C6 Gaming is better than C0 Arle?

[jovial smelt]

No, I don't think those calcs are using the same assumptions.
At least, I have seen multiple other calc and sims where this Arle team had between 96k and 101k dps

[pastel berry]

Is chev c6 applying to arle when arle is technically not getting healed?

[pine ivy]

chev c6 procs even when healing fails yes

[pastel berry]

What teams does c2 mavuika with cinder city make better?

Apart from melt wrio that is.

[jovial smelt]

Mualani, Kinich, Ganyu, Varesa, Chasca, and many others

[pastel berry]

can you elaborate on the other characters? Among all the ones you mentioned i only use kinich (plus wrio ofc)

Im wodmering if it affects best team of childe cyno (probs not) alhaitham (def not) itto xiao (probs not) and pyro MC

[fleet pawn]

is 45~ ping good enough for Echoes (E6R1 Wanderer) it nets me more DPS than MH so I'd like to switch but I don't know how reliable it'll be in my case

[jovial smelt]

Yes it’s good, it’s only starting to be relevant after 100-150 ping

[sage vigil]

Is that true?

[jovial smelt]

not 1000 but 5-6

but yeah

we get slightly higher dps than 2 rot

I think he is confused with iterations, which is not the same thing at all

[thorny ocean]

the first rot is lower dps. the rest of the rotations are same dps. it doesn't get better from rotation to rotation, only first rotation is worse.

[wooden belfry]

between every iteration, arle's stats and BOL are reset to the baseline, there is no carry over. only inside the rotation BOL carries over. the assumption is trying for a roughly 1:30 rotation, because that's the half amount of an abyss side to 3 star. people then tend to test with 5 or 6 rotations when the rotation is roughly 20 seconds.
tbh, running a rotation simulation for longer usually ends in lower dps as the simulator bumps into more edge cases where stuff like cooldowns and reactions don't align

[pastel berry]

which is generally stronger assuming nahida is c2, aggravate or spread?

i think it would be aggravate because of access to fischl and also ifthey add yelan or furina, you have hyperblooms as well.

althought spreadbloom has kuki who has stronger hyperblooms too.

Thoughts?

[spring rivet]

how much worse skirk esco furina [yelan] with [shenhe]

[wooden belfry]

skrik beta isn't even out yet

[spring rivet]

so theres no leak yet?

[wooden belfry]

there are rough leaks, but no numbers and no gameplay until next wednesday

[spring rivet]

Ty

[plain forge]

ik ur hiding numbers and anims from us

show them now or ill kidnap ur genshin account

[wooden belfry]

ngl skirk's burst goes pretty hard

[sweet meadow]

Is esco a skirk support? Like a must pull?

Or skirk can work with other units as well

[wooden belfry]

we'll know for sure once beta starts next week. But current leaks point to skirk REALLY wanting to make a hydro+cyro only team, and that there's a very big loss in her personal damage if you ignore that requirement. Esco having the same restriction, while providing incredible buffs and personal damage to boot, she's probably irreplaceable

You can check here again next week to see if the early leaks were accurate before you decided if you want to roll

[sweet meadow]

Alright thx

[glacial bluff]

will it be better to use fav on shenhe and cq on escoffier or cq on shenhe and deatmach r5 on escoffier on ayaka triple cryo team

[wooden belfry]

in a triple cryo team, the energy issues are far less apparent, so you can get away with building coffee more damage focused.

but you should make sure your furina can handle the ER requirements as a solo hydro (er sands + er weapon)

[glacial bluff]

so which one should be better srry i dont get it

mu furina has fav sword and er sands too

[wooden belfry]

deathmatch coffee + cq shenhe

[glacial bluff]

okey

[sage vigil]

Is it true that c2+ Iansan better than c0 Xianyun in Gaming team

[untold rivet]

No

the dpr with xianyun is higher and with c6 Bennett you get more dmg from regular plunges as well

plus it says they're equal at c2

only 5 and 6 change much

mmaybe then I could see the argument

[wooden belfry]

lol header says 3/5 spine stacks, but the weapon at the bottom is r5 mailed flower?

[sage vigil]

I see but I find it weird tbh

[sage vigil]

Crazy lol

[pastel berry]

What are the top 3 gaming teams with citlali?
I want to priotize ease of use in with gaming citlali vs big pp damage cuz it would really suck having to do multiple resets cuz i missed my melt.

[celest rock]

You will want 2 Cryos for that then

[pastel berry]

So citlali bennet diona?

[sage vigil]

xianyun-citlali-bennett this is his premium team and gaming can melt all his plunges
You can put xilonen/kazuha/sucros/dionna instead of xianyun

[finite tide]

I’m just hoping I don’t need shenhe I’ve made it so long without

Oops wrong channel, sorry for ping to ancient post

[wooden belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OJAJlUyC5g

[fleet pawn]

Could someone explain to me how does Ororon exactly work? His passive says it should proc as long as enemy receives nightsoul aligned dmg, I'm hitting the enemy with NA with Ifa and it proccs once or twice and that's it, it doesn't hit the enemy further even though Ifa hits them for like additional 4 seconds

[wooden belfry]

after ororon uses his E, if he has enough nightsoul points (you can see his bar on the party swap preview) he will deal off field electro damage.
the trigger is either electro charge ticks, or nightsoul aligned. the only thing that counts is damage dealt while being in nightsoul, so for ifa, he has to be flying

so either your ifa wasn't flying, or your ororon was out of night soul points

[fleet pawn]

Look here, Ororon has full NS points throughout whole Ifa skill duration but he hits only 3 times and then just stops

https://medal.tv/games/genshin-impact/clips/kgwAD24lJimm4EpvM?invite=cr-MSxhV1IsNzM4OTY0Mw

I know it says Ororon's NS duration is 6s which would explain why he hits 3 times and then stops (because he goes out of the NS state) but shouldn't it re-enable itself since I'm still dealing NSaligned dmg with Ifa? And shouldn't that be specified that it can't re-enable through the same method or something? I don't get it

[wooden belfry]

wait you are right this is pretty bizzare

oh

how long has it been since ororon's e?

try doing ororon E to ifa E normals

you might've run out of ororon's 15s

[fleet pawn]

Why would Ororon's E matter though, the proc is dependant on the NS points not on E directly and the NS points are still there

the 15s are the timelimit to genarate NS points not for proccing the passive

[fleet pawn]

yeah I know

[wooden belfry]

its also for triggering the off field, otherwise, ororon could have an entire rotation where you don't on field him

[fleet pawn]

E skill - allows you to gain NS points
passive - spends NS points to proc itself

But there's nothing implying that the proc can happen during the E's 15s duration

[fleet pawn]

I mean yeah that's what the kit implies

[wooden belfry]

"within 15s after using elemental skill"

[fleet pawn]

there's nothing in the entire kit saying that you can proc it only 3 times if the skill isn't used

[fleet pawn]

but this applies only for NS generation not the passive proc

it can be easily verified by not using Ororon's E at all

no wait

it actually doesn't proc

nah it did

i didn't aim right

[wooden belfry]

hmm, is it only an ifa issue?

because you are right, reading it again, after the 6 seconds are up, you should be able to refresh it

[fleet pawn]

Just for my piece of mind, here's the proof

https://medal.tv/games/genshin-impact/clips/kgwVLitlCo7Eo_W7X?invite=cr-MSxkdW4sNzM4OTY0Mw

[wooden belfry]

@fleet pawn are you doing hold attack or attack spam btw

[fleet pawn]

It's hold

[wooden belfry]

try spam for a sec

[fleet pawn]

I just did, same thing happens

[wooden belfry]

i have a suspicion

hmm

[fleet pawn]

hmm wait

[wooden belfry]

ill hop on my pc in a bit to test it

[fleet pawn]

I think it did proc fourth time

IT PROCS

5 times now

wth is happening

yeah with NA spam it does proc

no way that hold version works as a single NS-aligned attack....

that's actually insanely bad design

but at least now I know what's the issue at least, my OCD was killing me

thanks @wooden belfry

[wooden belfry]

so my hunch was right LOL

[fleet pawn]

yeah

I wonder whether it's a bug or intended

because his C6 becomes less valuable if it's intended

[wooden belfry]

you can simply hold for 6s, release and hold again

[fleet pawn]

I guess that's what I'll do for now

[neat niche]

How do you cancel fischl’s burst animation?

[jovial smelt]

swap early

[glacial bluff]

if shielded skirk prefers pjc, wolf fang r5 or the event one?

[jovial smelt]

pjc by far, as long as you don’t hold Marechaussee

[glacial bluff]

okey thanks

[sage vigil]

Is the new freeze neuv team better than vape mualani if not how big is the difference between them

[wooden belfry]

new freeze team neuv is not much better than his older team (in aoe its lowkey worse).

[lapis whale]

Which one is better for fish?

[wooden belfry]

in quicken teams, probably the 61 em one, otherwise, the other flower.

but tbh, if you have both flowers, with them having roughly the same cr, you can just test your damage on both flowers to get a feel for it

[sage vigil]

Maybe he can reach 110k dps if we changed SS with r5 hook

[wooden belfry]

you dont have to guess, just edit this sim's weapon

[sage vigil]

I didn't know that I could edit it so as I thought he can reach 110k dps

[sage vigil]

@jovial smelt are these calcs legit https://gcsim.app/sh/gjwF8fhnzkKc

[clear spear]

skipped on the last rotation to display higher dps

[sage vigil]

what would the full rotation be normally?

[clear spear]

i don't know, i just found that line funny

[sage vigil]

which line was it

[thorny ocean]

its skipping the last plunge in the last rotation

[sage vigil]

should be 8 plunges instead of 7 right ?

[thorny ocean]

no, its 7 on every rot but the last where its 6

the 7th plunge is just for energy and does not melt

[sage vigil]

aah i got you so how can i change this line to make it more accurate

[thorny ocean]

remove the if i != 3 conditional

[sage vigil]

111k not big diff !

https://gcsim.app/sh/rtBjPpbzKcBF

[lapis whale]

Why does my furina always have 80-90% energy full in my nuev and hutao teams?

[jovial smelt]

140% ER in neuv team is only if you have a fav, otherwise it’s closer to 150-160%

and in hu tao double hydro team, ER requirement is closer to 170%

[lapis whale]

Why is my escoffi and furina struggling to get their energy in this comp with a fav Rosaria?

[jovial smelt]

weird, are you going on field 2-3 times with Rosaria to proc fav ? And is fav R5 ?

[lapis whale]

I only proc once a rotation

How should the rotation go?

[echo timber]

Neuv e furina e dash q escoffier eq rosaria eq neuv ca e q rosaria e neuv ca ca ca e repeat

[lapis whale]

Rn I do Rosaria e > furina q > furina e > neuv burst then e > escofi ult then e > rosaria e and q > neuv CA twice

[echo timber]

Thats the wrong rotation lol

Everything is wrong

[lapis whale]

It gives me the most energy

[echo timber]

No

[lapis whale]

Ok wait let me test

[echo timber]

Doesn't make sense becuase escoffier isnt catching her own particles with qe

And furina isnt catch neuv particles

[lapis whale]

But she also gets to enjoy the particles from rosaria fav

[echo timber]

Hydro particles are better to catch than fav particles for furina

Fav particles restore energy to all the team so it doesn't matter if she doesn't catch them

[echo timber]

This is the right rotation

And is a lot easier

[lapis whale]

Btw I can’t e+q+nuev ca cause I have pb weapon

[echo timber]

Yes you can

[lapis whale]

Wait it works now thx

[echo timber]

I did rosaria eq esco eq for mistake but it works anyways lol

[lapis whale]

I did smth similar but I did e q charge then rosaria e to refresh bp. I don’t think I’ll have any energy issues anymore now

[echo timber]

I mean thats what idid too lol

[lapis whale]

Oh I did e q then ca instead of ca q e

[echo timber]

😭

No

It's

Neuv E
Furina E dash Q
Escoffier E Q
Rosaria E Q
Neuv CA
Neuv EQ
Rosaria E
Neuv CA x3
Neuv E
Repeat

EQ CA neuv without doing the first ca will make you lose balls

[lapis whale]

Hmm ic

Interesting how I had nuev since his first run and never learnt his rotations

[echo timber]

😭

[fleet pawn]

Any tips on Ayaka build for low-mid stages of imaginarium? I've got her as 50/50 loss on chronicle banner but I've never dived into her TC so I have no idea what I'm doing.
Escoffier and Furina will be on Skirk's team for higher difficulty stages so I was thinking 4pc blizzard with skyward blade for burst spam on Ayaka with Ganyu and some hydro applicator should be ok?
I'd appreciate any tips tbh

I also have R5 Wolf Fang and R5 Black sword as an option

[lapis whale]

Don’t mind the build, it’s just the trial hyacine set

[vivid ember]

Increases Hyacine and Little Ica's CRIT Rate by 100%.
When providing healing to an ally target with less than or equal to 50% this unit's Max HP, increases Hyacine and Little Ica's Outgoing Healing by 25%.

two seperate effects

[plain forge]

when hsr tc

[thorny ocean]

#1246617158323142717

[plain forge]

never knew that channel exist

[thorny ocean]

i have it hidden i just did # starrail

[lapis whale]

Ah ok thx

[vivid ember]

im sorry i dont think this is genshin maths, could be wrong though

[sweet meadow]

skirk-furi-esco, whom for 4th slot? yelan or charlotte?

also mh or fotd on her

[thorny ocean]

yelan

Charlotte is useless

[sweet meadow]

lol alright

talent priority would be na>q right

[thorny ocean]

e>q
na useless

q also not necessarily used always and is useless when you don't burst, but has use cases

just q is important for quickswap

[rustic apex]

Is there a quick swap team / rot available?

[fleet pawn]

how much ATK Iansan needed at ult on lvl 13?

[fleet pawn]

thanks a lot

[proud hollow]

Hello !!! I need some advices to build 3 differents teams for the new end-game mode coming next patch.
I would like to clear the Level6, but it seems that this level is mainly for whales. Im just a dolphin, so im not sure to be able to clear it on time (180sec). So i need some advices 🙃

NB: I took a break from Genshin, and that handicaps me because I don't have Mavuika, Escofier, or Iansan at the moment. I plan to pull Mavuika C2R1 on her rerun, but i would like to clear the content before the start of phase 2

**TULPA: **
Bruh 💀 IDK (Kinich team?)

LAVA DRAGON:
Kinich C6R1
Thomas (Deepwood)
Zhongli
Bennett (Nobless)

AUTOMATON:
Wrio C6R1
Kazuha C0R1 (vv)
Flex (Diona C6 ? Layla C6 ? Jean ?)
Furina C2

Other teams possible ? :

Xiao C6R5
XianYun C2R1
Faruzan C6 + Elegy R1
Furina C2 (or Bennett)

Neuvi C3R1
Kazuha C0R1 (vv)
Baizhu C0R1
Furina C2

Thx a lot for your time and advices ! 💪

[thorny ocean]

unfortunately i don't think you're clearing
but post your full roster via genshin wizard/hoyolab

[wooden belfry]

this might not cut it for lvl 6, we'll see how bad the situation is on release tho

well, now that i've seen the leaks, you can at least be sure you can get the 4 star version of the skin

so there's that

[brave frost]

is lyney's weapon better than tighnari's signature for tighnari?

in a triple dendro team

[thorny ocean]

no

[brave frost]

not even at r2?

and what about aqua

[thorny ocean]

didn't calc at r2 but probably no

HP is good

aqua nowhere close

r5 aqua is worse than r1 HP

[proud hollow]

This is my roster

I was wondering, maybe for Tulpa i can go Alhaitham/Nahida/Baizhu/Yae or Kuki (but they are all C0R1 so im not sure i can clear even for the 4star)

Or maybe put my Wriothesley team against Tulpa, and then my Xiao premium team for Automaton (and add some cryo off-fielder in 4th slot)

[thorny ocean]

ok you're kinda cooked

uhhh

you really need a iansan

maybe something like
diluc benny xl xianyun
kinich pmc zl thoma
wrio furina kazuha kachina

and yes diluc vape plunge is better than c6 xiao against tulpa

but i don't think you really have a shot at diff 6

[proud hollow]

Probably ahaha
But i still want to try atleast for the 4star reward

So i should keep my idea to put Wrio team against automaton, Kinich team against Lava, and then for Tulpa dendro isnt enough in your opinion ?

[thorny ocean]

enough for what? dendro doesn't have much options and you don't have vertical investment either
its just alhaitham doing raw damage+hyperbloom on the side

doesn't even have quicken

dendro can destroy the mini tulpa, but the damage just isn't there

[thorny ocean]

can actually replace thoma for elegy amber perhaps
he's just for pyro hit count anyways

all 3 of your teams want benny

[proud hollow]

Ah yeah you are right 🥲 im totally delulu

Well i will try Diluc plunge with XianYun C2R1
And maybe add a random Baizhu or dendro just for some bloom and to destroy « mini-tulpa »

If it’s to hard, i will wait for phase 2 and get Mavuika C2R1

[thorny ocean]

if you add dendro, it should be nahida

baizhu is useless

[queen reef]

4-star reward is 120s?
So 144k DPS vs Tulpa, 95k DPS vs Lava Dragon Statue, 125k DPS vs the new freeze boss?
Plus bosses juiced up and zero energy start

[thorny ocean]

its tough either way, damage is tough without xl, mini tulpas are tough without dendro

[thorny ocean]

ye

[proud hollow]

Okey 👌 thx for all the advices 💪

[thorny ocean]

@stable sail

[copper bane]

Hello, may i ask, how screwed i am to get the 4 star weapon skins on a non whale account?

[vivid ember]

Very

[lapis whale]

Does phainon boss form hp increase tribbie’s buff?

[thorny ocean]

its already been said that this is not hsr channel

#1246617158323142717

go there

[chrome wave]

Hey guys how important is skirk weapon?

How muvh damage boost is that?

[wooden belfry]

its roughly a 30% personal damage increase from the craftable fontaine sword (give or take depending on assumptions). about average from what you expect from a 5 star sig. in reality its actually a really good sig, but Fontaine craftable just goes REALLY well with skirk in furina esco teams

there's also event sword eshu if you plan on putting a shielder in the team

closing the gap to the sig to like only 25% or even a little lower depending on assumptions

[waxen sorrel]

For Yelan which is better Mouun's Moon R5 or Sequence of Solitude R5? (Help me settle a debate between a friend and I)

[chrome wave]

Thanks for info

[fleet pawn]

Any ideas what to do with Calamity Queller with no Shenhe and Esco with her own Sig?

Iansan ig for more healing or smth?

[jovial smelt]

I think it might be quite good on Ineffa, and it's good on Emilie and Iansan

[fleet pawn]

None of which I plan having outside of Iansan ehhh

And no chances for Shenhe as well, maybe in 15 years during the next rerun ig

[torpid crane]

hey guys, wanna ask about the last slot of skirk team

for overall damage, can eshu + dahlia c6 compensate the team damage per rotation with finale of the deep + yelan?

[dusty osprey]

https://x.com/TeamFortuneTC/status/1935593033325752512

Team Fortune (@TeamFortuneTC)

Day 1 testing, no Chinese datamine magic, so we had to do it like cavemen by writing numbers down and checking in Excel. Might be wrong! Infographic is misaligned! BIG! #lunarcharged #Ineffa

X · Jun 19, 2025, 6:58 AM

[fleet pawn]

is 200% ER enough for C1+ Iansan with no other natlan characters in the team?

[fleet pawn]

Also, supplementary questio, do I understand correctly that if I technically have 5000 ATK on her, even if her NS drops to 33 points, I still maintain full ATK buff?
Cuz 5000x0.005= 25 X 33 = 825 ?

Would that make calamity queller her BiS for characters that don't max out her NS?

[fiery igloo]

yes
but the kinetic meter expires fast

[fiery igloo]

it should be
erc suggests so

[fleet pawn]

My Scara usually keepS up between 70-90% of the meter so that's enough for me, I just wanted to know whether I understand correctly how it works since many people kept saying it's useless to stack up ATK after 3k and I didn't see anyone mentioning the overcap being used as compensation for not enough NS

[fiery igloo]

You are having CQ + 3atk with over 10 ER% rolls ?

This can work well with C2 and C5

[fleet pawn]

Yeah, I reach up to 4.5k with CQ and some buffs like Elegy. All with 210% ER

[fiery igloo]

What set do you use ? Cinder Iansan is doa in wanderer teams

[fleet pawn]

Yeah I use cinder cuz she had very bad energy issues without it

I never had enough

Now it managable enough

I also now it's not the most optimal for Wanderer but he's C6 so he doesn't need much

Also there's nothing else I can use, Faruzan wears millelith and Bennett wears NO

But it's not just the Wanderer, I don't actually have any mobile characters outside of Mavuika so being able to use Iansan without the mobility requirement is a huge plus for me

[fiery igloo]

So your team is wanderer faruzan iansan bennett ?

[fleet pawn]

Sometimes, yeah. It has only 2-3% difference between C4 Jean variant but I get an additional infusion instead and sometimes it's additional ult ig

The absolute best is Faru Furi Esco and just after that is Faru Mav Bennett, but I rarely can spare them for Wanderer team

It's much easier to slot in Iansan or Jean

I was hoping for Durin to be Anemo support but new leaks suggest he's pyro...

[fiery igloo]

He is for vape as well

Your only hope is Varka

Or a nod krai unit who alters Swirl

And
Columbina

[fleet pawn]

Also I should mention that due to being C6 Wanderer's best set is echoes which scales incredibly well with ATK so having Iansan isn't very tragic

[fleet pawn]

He's probably hypercarry though

[fiery igloo]

Yes, its 4pc effect is a quill bonus is it not ?

[fiery igloo]

I doubt it
Anemo hypercarries are dime a dozen now

A 5* anemo support male is long overdue

[fleet pawn]

I'd be crazy happy but it seems like a long shot

[fiery igloo]

Also

[fleet pawn]

It is, and he proccs it very frequently

[fiery igloo]

I possess a long held suspicion in mizuki

[fleet pawn]

Suspicion?

[fiery igloo]

She is a swirl dps, and her cons allow swirl to crit and deal additional damage

Altering the reaction, almost

She was the very first unit after the road map and nod krai teaser

Which should be around the time when Hoyo begins to finalise and chart new character’s kit and the intended meta

Me thinks the odds are mizuki would get a swirl support unit in Nod Krai which Wanderer may also use.

[fleet pawn]

Ah

Nah, I've been playing Wanderer since D1 and can say for sure that swirl is not a way to go for him

At least for C6

His best swirl team is still only a little bit more than half of what he does in hypercarry

[fiery igloo]

Is he too much of a raw dps machine that reaction damage is irrelevant?

[fleet pawn]

Yeah, swirl won't beat 3.5mln DPR

[fiery igloo]

If LEC is any indication swirl can become a serious dps reaction or a buffing one

Consider one of the IT swirl bonuses, that increase a character’s stats and debuff enemy

Something crazy of that sort

[fiery igloo]

Hm fair enough

[fleet pawn]

And that's in the worse comps

It reaches 4mln with Furina

I need Anemo Shenhe/Escoffier, that's all I want

[thick cedar]

anyone has a c6 clorinde config

[sage vigil]

c2 xianyun and c6 dionna your Gaming will do more dmg than c6 xiao

[rough stirrup]

I cannot wait

for the new endgame to be out

for all the morons that say you need cons and whale stuff to get the weapon skins

to be horribly wrong as these specimens usually are

The amount of omega code red level dooming that I see about "needing whale investment, multiple C6 characters to even get the weapon skins" is par for the course

but it's annoying and I can't wait for their confident stupidity to be smashed to atoms like it usually is

HYV would literally never design something that would require, at baseline, "whale investment"

given that constellations are not created equally and most constellations are woefully overrated.

[clear spear]

I can't wait to see you getting the weapon skin with you c0r0 characters

[plain forge]

cant wait to kill the 15m hp cryo required boss at c0r0 in 60s

[knotty patio]

250k dps

just get c2r1 mav

or skerk

[lapis whale]

When is new perma event?

[sinful junco]

Not sure if this is the right channel, but do we know the damage difference between atk%-cryo% Effie vs atk%-atk% Effie assuming same CV substats?

[quick vigil]

You're in for a rough awakening....

Difficulty 5 is clearable enough with c0 r0 characters but diff 6 (where you get the skin) is almost exclusively for whales

[rustic apex]

I thought diff 6 didn’t have coop 🤔

[rough stirrup]

Good thing I'm not broke then, nerd

😛

[vivid ember]

insane comment

[lapis whale]

Difficulty 5 is already hard

[quick vigil]

Yea

[lapis whale]

But at least I got this out of the feather re roll

I barely clesr with a c0 nuev team and my first team was 3 sec away from clearing

Health bar after one rotation of a c1 r1 arlechino

WHY IS THE TIMER 2 MIN

I THOUGHT IT WAS INFINITE FOR FEATHER

Prev difficulty btw

Scary how my nuev team has a similar clear time to my hutao team

[thorny ocean]

is your kazuha c6

he's dead weight without c6

does absolutely nothing

can't vv nor a4

[lapis whale]

Bruh

[lapis whale]

Is it possible?? On difficulty 6

Just earlier I was able to do tupa with zhongli doing swirl gouba tech with sucrose. Sucrose > kazu

[green tree]

he can with Bennett no?

[thorny ocean]

no. he can absorb pyro off of benny's self app, but not swirl it

the characters that can swirl pyro against tulpa are jean with sunfire, faruzan and sucrose with guoba swirl, and c6 kazuha and c6 lynette with c6 bennett for weapon swirl

[green tree]

i thought hold e does it

i see

[neat niche]

Holy stygian

Dire difficulty is impossible without dolphin level investment on like the perfect teams for each boss

Let alone to clear it in 180 seconds

C6R5 diff

[stuck yew]

dire is doable at around c2 level

c1 or r1 might be able but it's like super try hard with god artifacts

[rustic apex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/DDWYdf17cx

C0r1s can clear

[rough stirrup]

Lol

I told you so

People blathering like dumb sheep

saying only whales c ould clear Stygian

Turns out it's not true at all and that even with time and experience, the 3 min or below Difficulty 6 will be doable with C0 to C2 meta invested teams

which is absolutely not "whale"

I love when dumb dooming moron idiot sheep that just consume w/e garbage and have extreme dunning Kruger to confirm their headcanons are wrong wrong WRONG

Ah, basking in the glow of being right is so good

This is a game mode for well invested, well thought out meta comps at C0 to C2. Hardly "whale territory"

I can't wait for the next bout of dooming to happen so I can laugh at them being wrong again. Warms my heart

[rough stirrup]

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. This is just like Abyss when the game started...people thinking that you NEED certain units and whale investment and that Floor 12 was "too hard without it". God. people like you just need to calm tf down and realize that it's nowhere near as difficult as you make it out to be. This JUST came out. People are still figuring out how to navigate it.

[rough stirrup]

Skill issue. Get better. Difficulty 6 greater than 3 min clears are very possible with your teams.

[thorny ocean]

3 minutes difficulty is mathematically impossible for c0 current teams. time and experience won't change that

will it be possible for future units? possible

for c2 current units? also possible for shilled characters

[rough stirrup]

Stop dooming

[thorny ocean]

its called mathing

[rough stirrup]

People said the exact same thing

and not all constellations are created equally

so your "theory" is wrong

Not all C1 and C2's are created equal

[thorny ocean]

what i said was about c0 tho

[rough stirrup]

And still, that's not "whale/leviathan" like YOU people claim

and call it

[thorny ocean]

what

[rough stirrup]

So many people crying about how Stygian is "whale mode"

There's absolutely going to be C0 clears with well invested meta teams of the highest difficulty

So yes, SKILL will close the gap

[thorny ocean]

i did not say it's whale locked i said 180s for all chambers is not possible for c0

skill does not close the gap

[rough stirrup]

You are basing the "C0 can't do it" off of AVERAGE and BELOW average skilled players

with less than ideal investment

[thorny ocean]

no i am not

[rough stirrup]

Same song and dance as always with people like you

so I will let time prove me right

as it always does

You won't be convinced until you see it

it is what it is

It is reasonable to expect C0R1 meta teams needed for the highest difficulty

that is no where near what you are proposing for it being straight up "gated" and impossible to do

I've seen this song and dance play out over five years dude

your side always loses

the doomer side

[thorny ocean]

actually, its possible with 4* characters with no artifacts

just need more skill

no?

[rough stirrup]

LOL nice straw man

[thorny ocean]

that's where your logic leads

[rough stirrup]

you're so mad

so you pull out these ridiculously troll statements

Like I said dude time will prove one of us right

and it just so happens that my side has always won

the doomer side has always lost

always

every time

[somber osprey]

c0r1 can do it

[clear spear]

am I crazy

[somber osprey]

it is possible but it is hard as fuck

[rough stirrup]

Skill and well invested C0R1 meta teams can do it

[clear spear]

bc you sound way more mad than him

[thorny ocean]

can do the 6 minutes, not 3 minutes

[rough stirrup]

Nah I'm not mad at all dude I've literally been smiling the whole time

I'm laughing at this guy dude xD

why tf would I be made when I'm right?

mad*

[thorny ocean]

i don't think they're mad, ragebaiters enjoy baiting

[rough stirrup]

I'm not baiting

[thorny ocean]

[rough stirrup]

you are the one that said four star teams

lol

you are legit trolling

I said C0R1 meta teams well invested can do the sub 3 minute

once people figure out rotations

this is a new game mode with new methods needed

ofc people are going to need time to optimize and figure it out

it's called the difficulty curve

[thorny ocean]

without proof whatsoever
just because some people previously thought c0 can't do 6 minutes, and it can, you assume it can do 3 minutes

[rough stirrup]

so no I"m not "rage baiting"

[thorny ocean]

have you based it on anything?

[rough stirrup]

YOu JUST proved me right lol

[thorny ocean]

any calcs of damage?

[rough stirrup]

People thought in YOUR own admission

that 6 min was impossibe

it was proven to be very possible

lmfao

[thorny ocean]

people think a lot of things are impossible

some of them are wrong

[rough stirrup]

Dude just stop lmfao

[thorny ocean]

some pf them are true

[rough stirrup]

I'm literally lol'ing at you

I want you to DM me an apology

when I am proven right

C0R1 Well invested Meta teams. That's my claim

[thorny ocean]

im glad we're both enjoying

[rough stirrup]

In fact

I'll up the ante

[clear spear]

[rough stirrup]

I will literally gift you the 50 dollar gem pac

if you are right

and it's literally impossible to beat 3 min mode

[pseudo nest]

Didn't know people like this were real

[rough stirrup]

with C0R1 full meta team, well invested, and I mean well invested, with all characters being C0 with sig or average cost for that.

That would be 8 cost basically

I have no problem betting that, you don't need to do a thing on your end

that's how confident I am

[somber osprey]

tbh i agree that teams can do it with all the time allotted

but i find it hard to agree the 180 total claim is possible

https://youtu.be/uNlNznLsvK8

this dude has a great setup and is highly skillful

and didnt even come close

[rough stirrup]

We'll see

Again it's literally the first day

[thorny ocean]

surely optimizations of already well optimized gameplay can double the clear time 🔥

[somber osprey]

ill be happy to be proven wrong

means i can do it too

[rough stirrup]

Sure

Haafr you need to calm down and stop being salty bro xD

you're gonna have a heart attack at that rate of salt consumption, but as I said, I'll honor it if it's truly impossible

And you'll be able to say that you "totally pwned me dude"

LOL

[neat niche]

You are absolutely ragebaiting

[rough stirrup]

No I'm not he's just adamant that he's right and confident in his assumptions

Just like me

It's not "rage"

[pseudo nest]

Peak ragebaiting

[rough stirrup]

it's called an argument

perhaps if you weren't so soft

you'd be able to understand that

neither of us are mad

I swear ppl that have grown up in the current generation are soft af

like it's a little confrontation

neither of us are truly mad at some random online

This is nothing more than mere banter between two overconfident people about a stupid af gacha game xD

But go ahead and assume my intentions pls. I've just heard that ppl claim that the new mode is whale only all over the place

and was happy that these idiots got served humble pie for the vast, vast majority of it

virtually all rewards besides the SPECIAL version of the TEMPORARY weapon skin are well within the reach of players of the vast majority of the playerbase

the sub 3 mode for Diff 6 is the last barrier to be broken.

[knotty patio]

its impossible with perfect play

thats called sim

maybe with max roll artis

[rough stirrup]

and Sims and spreadsheets are wrong all the time

[knotty patio]

no

[rough stirrup]

yes

wtf do you mean "no"?

[knotty patio]

proof?

[rough stirrup]

lol

[knotty patio]

sims simulate damage

at most assumptions can be wrong

insert ur own

[rough stirrup]

Bro literally EVERY TC of every character that has been spreadsheeted has been wrong given time

[neat niche]

You are making a claim that is wrong, 60 seconds per chamber with 7 mil hp means 116k dps with perfect gamepaly, no stall mechanics, full bursts from start and to downtime

Just shut up

[rough stirrup]

LOL

[knotty patio]

no one got max roll artis

and if they do

they whale

[rough stirrup]

and y'all say tht I'M mad xD

[thorny ocean]

its 250k dps

[rough stirrup]

when this shin dude comes out of nowhere

[thorny ocean]

they have 13-17m hp

[knotty patio]

250k dps is c2 mav

[thorny ocean]

at d6

[knotty patio]

gl doin that at c0

[rough stirrup]

C2 isn't whale, regardless

and even still, people will find a way.

[knotty patio]

yeah with new characters

lmao

[rough stirrup]

it also doesn't counter my point that all C2's and above aren't made equally

Ah yes the "omegalul"

[thorny ocean]

which no one here argued against

[rough stirrup]

room temp IQ

lol

welcome back Haafr

[knotty patio]

pisslet

[rough stirrup]

LOL

[knotty patio]

moment

[rough stirrup]

calm down

Like I said I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong if it's truly proven to be impossible

but it's legit the first day

[knotty patio]

mathematically its impossible

[rough stirrup]

and yes, every TC about characters has been proven wrong

[knotty patio]

maybe the whale guy with d in name can do it

if he uses his whaled artis

[rough stirrup]

every single time

[neat niche]

That is so omega wrong

You are delusional

[rough stirrup]

because NEW things are shown and discovered

new team comps

new tech

new methods

every time before a character comes out

there's TC and assumptions

[somber osprey]

that guy did it in 70 seconds

[rough stirrup]

they are almost all wrong

[knotty patio]

yk that after release tc happens too

[somber osprey]

other omegawhales did it in around 90

80-90

[knotty patio]

sims for example

[rough stirrup]

same thing with the DOOMERS on Ayaka vs. Skirk

the most recent example of morons being wrong

with their precious MATH

and SIMS

lmfao

so yeah buddy

I'll see it when I see it

[knotty patio]

not rly

u cant read is all

[rough stirrup]

I have no problem admitting that I was wrong about that ONE tiny thing for sub 3 min

I've already been proven right that Stygian isn't whale only

so I'm already content in being right

[knotty patio]

why r u so mad

go get laid or smth