・theorycrafting

[clear ivy]

For the love of everything that is holy don't run raiden there, her ultimate buff doesn't buff anything with him

Unlike eula

And he doesn't need ER unlike eula

[low shale]

ehh.... Raiden E does very little MV to be worth it using her as an E subdps 💀

[clear ivy]

And his rotations are tight that they have no place for her Q

Just run lisa or something if you don't have fischl and kuki and beidou

But to answer your question, no it would not be good because raiden's skill is a measly 75% attack scaling

So it would not be worth it to buff it

[kind escarp]

no that sounds good !! thanks for the advice!! ill see how fischl or kuki slot in to the team instead of her ❤️

[delicate sun]

Can anyone tell me about fontaine artifact sets?

who can use them?

[fair kite]

There's Monster Hunter and Golden Troupe

Fischl and Albedo are prospective users of Golden Troupe

As for Monster Hunter there's a push to be made for Xiao but no other optimal user as such

[sturdy frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-yippee-lyney-lyney-yippee-gif-12185355116319673463

[signal silo]

https://tenor.com/view/lyney-genshin-impact-leophomet-pyro-welcome-gif-13254693371624263077

[mellow eagle]

how is freminent in general

all ive wanted in this game since day one is a shatter character…

[covert trellis]

Just fine as your usual 4 star dps

So whatever

[mellow eagle]

is he better than chong

[torn ginkgo]

I would beware of comparing them directly as they have a lot of differences.
Just accept it as a fact that freminet is a weakened version of eula, to at least somehow explain the phys-buffer-boy, i forget it, sry, which also have a na atk spd buff.
and I see only one option - take the eula-superconduct party, replace eula to freminet, and the bennet to the phys-buff.

[mellow eagle]

is he not supposed to be played as shatter

not phys dps

[small gate]

He Is Physical DPS
Shatter buff his damage

[pine ivy]

hi! so do i build kuki on full em for alhaitham hyperbloom?

i alr have nahida on full em, alhaitham on gilded

like do i need some hp on kuki or just full em thats what puzzled me

[jovial smelt]

full EM

[pine ivy]

thank you !

[crude cypress]

Where I may find Golden Troupe artefact calculation (+Ele Skill Dmg%) on Alhaitham?

[clear ivy]

I don't think anybody thought of doing that since it isn't productive

It's probably only slightly better than 5 different artifact sets

[amber olive]

Not something ive seen either although he doesnt get the full effect of it so probs wont see anyone calc it till they get bored of the new stuff/obvious upgrades

[clear ivy]

as far as i'm aware, haitham gets the majority of his damage from reactions using all 3 of his attack types (NA/E/Q) but from the minority share that is his actual scalings, E has the most scalings

he's only getting 45% on that tho

[amber olive]

Yeah hes not fully skill dmg and doesnt use the set to its fullest compared to other sets

[modest chasm]

any leaks on next banners?

[green tree]

wrong channel but wrio, neuvi, venti, hutao

[small gate]

||RIP Tighnari||

[modest chasm]

I mean the 4* with Lyney and Linette

could you point me to the right channel?

[green tree]

we don't have leak channels anymore so just ask in any general chat (there is a lot of them here)

[modest chasm]

ok ty

[jovial smelt]

I don’t think we have the info yet

[sturdy frigate]

Literally why are we getting 4.4 leaks before the 4.0 banner

[clear ivy]

they're not confirmed tbh

if you're talking about cloud retainer

[radiant bear]

are there any calcs to the new skill dmg set for albeduu?

[low shale]

basically between a 1-4% increase over 4Husk

[radiant bear]

I'll take it

[hoary hedge]

what should your crit rate be pre-3 stack marachausee hunter for lyney?

like what percent of crit rate do i want to stop at to make the most of the artifact set

[small gate]

Usually around 50
And It Is super easy , cuz Leney level up with CR

I am really looking forward for this artifacts domain, It Is look so promising

[amber olive]

at least on lyney, with just his CR ascension and MH set, there was more than enough subs available at KQMC to reach 100% crit rate, allowing for both a CDMG weapon and circlet

[spring rivet]

does lyney c1 proc the old hat rightaway if already have 2 hat onfield

[amber olive]

if theres 2 onfield and you make another, it should blow up the first one made yes

[cursive peak]

lynette just does a classic atk/anemo/crit build with an ER sword or did i misinterpret her kit?

[small gate]

Yes

https://youtu.be/g8pOrqAT3Tw

[jovial smelt]

just don’t go over 64%

[cursive peak]

how bout weap rankings for lynette? does she want a specific new sword or can she get away with favonius/sac/sapwood?

[amber olive]

generally she likes ER weapons a lot unless you get C6 for onfield builds since her ER can hit like 200%+

[amber olive]

and yeah personally would go ADC at c0 / off field playstyles, c6 onfield can be nice for EM in hyperbloom stuff for example

FAQ will be soonge as well if thats helpful 🙏

[wooden belfry]

faruzan c6 and fav on another unit in the team also enables you to pick more aggressive weapons for off field lynette, but you will need to compensate through the artifacts

[amber olive]

yeah if ur running faru c6 thats a lot of anemo particles regardless

[sturdy frigate]

Polar star go BRRRRRR

[small gate]

[spring rivet]

wait wat happend if u miss ur shot

thats pretty fked up

[fallen jetty]

!!natc

[misty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-mei-honaki-honaki-impact-raiden-shogun-raiden-gif-23842339

[small gate]

[keen patrol]

As expected of zajeff, his freminet takes are as garbage as his rating of the character

[jovial smelt]

What exactly was wrong with his analysis? I haven't really focused into Freminet theorycraft, so I haven't noticed anything wrong

[keen patrol]

Him comparing him to a 5 star standard character and not to other 4 star on fielders because that's what he is

[jovial smelt]

I understand your point, it's not really fair to compare him to other 5* hypercarry.
But there are many 4 star teams that are better than most hypercarry 5* teams such as national or hyperbloom team

[small gate]

And there Is no many “good option” for Physical anyway

[glossy depot]

anyone know pela's bis relic set?

[clear ivy]

wrong game

[clear ivy]

people are setting the bar too high for ferminet i feel, we know he can get 40k KQMCS at low constellations (PT, assumes shatter and fischl + yelan), but people are setting the bar for any new dps to be like 50-60k to not call them shit even if it's a C0 physical 4* and that's kinda ridiculous

[jovial smelt]

40k is quite good for a 4* at low constellation tbh

most 5* hypercarry are around 50k

[clear ivy]

i don't know if zajef is calling him trash, i don't think he's the type of people to call units that even when it comes to actual garbage like lynette he was like "yeaaaah", but seeing people make a consensus on ferminet being trash while a majority refuses to call eula trash like the pile of steaming shit she is when she has the same dps on her teams is just hypocrisy

[jovial smelt]

he clearly said "not very good" and "kinda underwhelming" for freminet

[clear ivy]

wish he said these same two words on eula to be honest

but hey, can't offend the waifu mains

and like

i can get the sheets being here being wrong

i got a lot of my stuff wrong when i tced him and had to double check with toro to see what i was missing

but how much would they be off by ? 5k dps?

even in this case of absolute incompetence (which i admittedly refuse, but i don't want to leave breathing space for the "your sheets wrong" counterargument) where we collectively overestimated it by 5k, 35k would stilll be fairly good

[jovial smelt]

As someone who made some dps calculation, I agree that DPS number can vary a lot with just a small change (just changing one second in rotation for example can upgrade the DPS by more than 3k)

[clear ivy]

ya

[jovial smelt]

and some teams like international has a very low DPS number if we include the entire rotation (fueling included)

[clear ivy]

with ferminet our logic is that he has insane uptime on his Q and great energy regen with his many skill casts

[jovial smelt]

but it doesn't take into consideration frontloaded damage

[clear ivy]

his Q has 15s CD, puts him in a state of being jacked up for 10s

so our assumptions were in the 15s-18s rotation range

18s assuming the supports are the limiting factor (xingqiu example) which is the number i'm more comfortable using

but yeah i get what you mean

because DPS is DPR / RT

if you increase RT + 1 or RT -1 you're like increasing or decreasing dps from 5-7%

[small gate]

It Is better to talk about Video after watch It , and Zajef In first look to the kit said : Freminet's kit is probably the coolest kit they've ever done. I'm gonna have so much fun playing around with different teams for him

But people we will be angery - as alawys - If he tell them the truth about the number and damage

[lilac siren]

does lyney benefit from hp in anyway possible cause i cant get an atk sands for the life of me and i just got an hp sands with double max crit 4 liner.

[amber olive]

he does not he is pure atk scalings

his charged attacks decrease his current HP but thats not affected by HP% at all

[still socket]

How is he doing 40k dmg what team

[amber olive]

they said assumes shatter and fischl + yelan at least although cant say ive seen team calcs personally, just his personal dmg in the team

[still socket]

So they made a phys shatter char and they gonna make a 5star too?

Like heizou and wanderwr

[amber olive]

altho for phys frem i generally saw like 9-10k dps roughly??

[still socket]

Xdd

[amber olive]

idk what faq numbers are so may be best to wait for those

i havent been working on him so

i thought zajefs video was pretty fair on his analysis though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/847699984945512448.webp?size=48&name=ShizuComfy&quality=lossless

[clear ivy]

I am not exactly looking out for him praising the character or something, nobody really wants that validation. It's just that saying he's shit by the expectations of a 5* when he already has teams that can hit the 40k breakpoint for 36*ing the abyss is not the play (even if that 40k is not correct at c0, he's still a 4* with fairly decent constellations so that makes it more accessible to fix him)

Like how many 4* carries can hit that without xiangling really

[small gate]

thats will not change the point thats he Is not very good

[clear ivy]

Depends on where you're drawing the line for your standards

If you're comparing him to hyperbloom, he's not good

If you're comparing him to eula, he's fairly comparable?

Not like you can't play him in shatterbloom either, it's just removing the buffs you get from mika or shenhe or whatever and throwing in a dendro and he does drive that better than many units

[hexed widget]

has anyone compared the bp polearm to catch xiangling? or the er fish sword for xingqiu to idk fav/sac ig?

[jovial smelt]

I found this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YHawW-oE3c3-B_CKfKaQVsriyI-O31MrtmxAdKYVJ_A/edit#gid=861484166

[proud bobcat]

Will the new artifact set be good on yae

[jovial smelt]

it depend a lot on teams, playstyle and constelation

as c0 and on-field, gilded is better

as off-field burst every rot, it’s equal

as off-field burst every 2 new set better

And with C2 or C6, new set is better always

I hope it answers your question

[fluid dock]

@clear ivy https://streamable.com/on9fkd

15s cd charging in 12 abyss timer seconds

[clear ivy]

oh that's hella broken

i think it's because the skill CD timer continues well into you pressing the button (i just tested that with the book)

[fluid dock]

I don't know if it's the abyss timer or literally just faster cd

[clear ivy]

but the abyss timer seems to be special and it stops exactly

[fluid dock]

Can't tell

[fluid dock]

Yeah that's my theory as well

Meaning this is the abyss meta

Just spam book every second for the fastest times

[clear ivy]

well

true

especially for childe

[fluid dock]

Might let a low invest player clear

[clear ivy]

whose cds are long

of course it's kinda tedious to do that over and over again

but yeah if you're struggling by up to 30 seconds you can do that over and over and that's kinda op

i don't think it's gonna change much for speed runs because usually it's one rot to clear content

[fluid dock]

Not the only thing weird with book spam

Layla can get one more wave than normal

And Klee loses a wave as I said earlier, or she does 6 waves faster than normal

[clear ivy]

i have some ideas as to why this happens

but it all has to do with what's processed client side and what's processed server side

which i don't really know much about in genshin (it's not very clear) but effects like echoes set are processed server side and that's why the 70 ping limit before it loses its value as BiS

for layla it could be that you're getting that one wave in during the time the client is communicating to the server that you unpaused

but i don't know why you lose one for klee

maybe what's being communicated is different from character to character (seeing that artifact sets also have different things they communicate server side)

[fluid dock]

The Layla thing was void's finding btw

And then I tested other characters

[clear ivy]

oh nice, he's still around ?

[fluid dock]

Yeah

[clear ivy]

[fluid dock]

Oh wait can I dm you

[clear ivy]

ye

[rough patrol]

is wrio really going to be a catalyst?

[clear ivy]

check back in 2 days

[small gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129475964141846569/1139957720603177092/IMG_20230812_181005_934.png

One punch man

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124398766619906142/1139955163138900129/image.png

[subtle egret]

want tcers thoughts on beidou and her best teams? i used to play alot of taser when kokomi first came out, i luv fischl and beidou do they have dendro teams better then taser?

[small gate]

Kazuha and then :
Baizhu or Yaoyao

[subtle egret]

what if no kazuha? 🐒

[small gate]

Then sucrose

[subtle egret]

and is this a good team?

or like an alright team or a cope team

[small gate]

My team:
Yae .. Fischl .. Kazuha .. Baizhu
and It Is super good team
Sucrose c6 Is good but sometimes her gameplay feel clunky

And kazuha Is super fun with huge damage buff

[subtle egret]

and how interchangable are

baizhu and yaoyao

[small gate]

Both work great

[fallen jetty]

Shenhe partner

[cursive peak]

beta comes out 2 days after 4.0 right? never really followed when beta happens

[signal silo]

leaks should be out around the 16th

[clear ivy]

him being a catalyst will be known by monday

[small gate]

"Worthless" national team

[rough patrol]

the leak about being standard and physical is still unconfirmed then?

[jovial smelt]

It has been refuted by some reliable leaker recently

But we are still not 100% sure

[signal silo]

please let them both be limited 🙏

[lethal rapids]

this shit good for miko and fischl?

[sturdy frigate]

slightly better on miko but depends on teams/substats
not a fischl buff ... but crazy for oz

[proud bobcat]

It’s amazing for miko

Even if onfield

She still gets a 45 percent dmg buff

[rose crown]

lynette energy reqs with wanda c6 faru bennett?

[keen patrol]

Isn't that literally just hyper Raiden?

I mean sure she doesn't have ER MV but still basically scales with ER

[sturdy frigate]

fair, but you lose damage on your normals and burst

[fallen jetty]

At c0, her Q is a great part of her DPS, that is why it isn't that big of increase on her as it is in fischl

[jolly hemlock]

hey guys.i cant see the leak channel.its that normal?

[clear ivy]

what leak channel

[jolly hemlock]

is there not one?like a genshin leak channel

[clear ivy]

you just talk about them anywhere and when the beta starts for the 4.1 characters we'll get channels for them

[jolly hemlock]

oh okay tyy

[proud bobcat]

None of her sets benefit her burst anyway all it needs is cr cd and atk and ed

[fallen jetty]

ATK and electro does benefits her Q. Gilded dreams also do, maybe not directly, but with reactions

[proud bobcat]

Eh I have Nahida burst which Increases team em

Plus i feel like skill is more important considering my weapon

Since I’m running Kagura

Which benefits her skill

And soon I’m gonna get C2 after foca

Since I’m alr C1

[fallen jetty]

Isn't the opposite? If you have high % DMG already, each new point into it matters less

[clear ivy]

If you're onfielding yae then you have even less of a reason to run E set

[proud bobcat]

It just means more dmg

[fallen jetty]

But it is less valuable for each new point. Which would make other stats like ATK and em more valuable

[clear ivy]

to simplify how this works to the absolute limit
Think of genshin damage for your skill as multiplying three numbers, say
your E damage = 2 x 3 x 2
And you had the option to increase any of the numbers there by 1, then which would give the highest increase

If you increase one of the 2s, you get 18
If you increase the 3, you get 16

Of course the numbers going into genshin calculations are a lot bigger, but your yae does have kagura and her electro damage bonus goblet, so you might be running into a similar situation by giving her the new set

[proud bobcat]

So what should I go for??

[clear ivy]

since you have kagura, you should have plenty of damage%

so best is either 2 18% attack pieces or 4 pieces gilded

[proud bobcat]

Kk ty

[whole bloom]

i'm coping with physical jean, does anyone know what would be optimal combo for max damage? i can't find it anywhere and i can't really just spam ca (i was mostly doing N2C but i'd like to know if anyone has calcs for max damage)

[jovial smelt]

For most character N1C give best output, but for better stamina management, it’s recommended to go N2C

Well, except for exception like hu tao, Ayaka, etc

[small gate]

Save yourself from physical drug

[whole bloom]

thank you

[whole bloom]

[hybrid plaza]

I was shown this fancy hu tao GO config generator and I was wondering what a good dpr is to look for. Link to generator for context: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QLGtGg0ny3UTfthmqHA1KCXeicElcWSBHgAFrY6hRew/edit#gid=1131174856

Currently I'm sitting at 648,587dpr for my c1r1 hu tao and I'm guessing that's low

[jovial smelt]

That’s pretty much the DPR of a C0R0 with KQM standard investment

[hybrid plaza]

so you're saying it's a decent starting spot 😮

[jovial smelt]

Well, for C1R1 it should be 30% higher with decent artifact

[hybrid plaza]

"with decent artifacts" is the kicker, mine are pretty shit

I can't send pics in here but the optimizer put an HP% sands with zero cv on it, and my goblet had zero roles on either of the crit lines. Plus only 1 extra roll into cd on my circlet

So I think I just need to get better sands, goblet, and maybe circlet and flower lmao. Then I should be in a much much better spot.

30% higher is about 840k so I'll know I'm doing good when I'm getting clsoe to that. Thanks!

[velvet herald]

sorry, its not very good. thats less than my hutao at c0r0

[velvet herald]

then i think its just an arifact problem, you should be able to hit 900k with c1r1

[hybrid plaza]

that's okay, i've got shit artifacts on her, only good piece is my feather, was just looking for a number to shoot for

[velvet herald]

try for 800-900k

[hybrid plaza]

will do, I know what I gotta work on so now it's just up to the RNG gods

[jolly hemlock]

so based on the leaks,will neuvillette not be played mono hydro?

[jovial smelt]

There are quite a few unknown thing about Neuvillette for now. Not enough informations to start calculating stuff at least

I don't think he will work on monohydro since Neuvillette won't use normal attack to proc Xingqiu and Yelan coordinated attack

[jolly hemlock]

yeah that seems really wierd

[jovial smelt]

It's really not clear how many CA he will be able to do. How fast do we charge the CA? How many droplet are absorbed by the CA?

I hope the gameplay footage will answer those questions

[jovial smelt]

Not impossible that a Monohydro team without xingqiu/yelan will come to life with Furina later

For now, I think his kit look like he would be played in forward vape... not too sure

[jolly hemlock]

seems like it

[proud bobcat]

Can someone explain neuvilette kit to me

[tepid crest]

press Q get water droplets to charge the CA then release, then press E get more water droplets to charge the CA then release | 3 rxn mechs triggered more CA damage

[north meadow]

That's low yea

[gritty linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/15rlqv0/neuvillette_mechanics_by_clericamine/
2x + 2x hp is good for that juicy 8 hit ca dmg according to this, right?

or maybe marech hunter even better

[bold pumice]

about the new gilded set with +70% E damage, what do you think about putting it on nahida? 😂

[mellow eagle]

really need to see what his CA looks like

when does 4.1 beta start ToT

[cursive peak]

for new bp weaps, i assume the only ones worth getting (at the moment) are bow, polearm and sword?

[wet knoll]

Hello, would The First Great Magic (Lyney's sign) good on Ganyu freeze? (2 cryo) and which one better compared to Amos and Aqua? Thank you

[tepid crest]

do we know if the dancing boss are counted as 2 entities when fighting them? i wanna do nilou shenanigans cus they always stick together so reactions are easier lol

[sturdy frigate]

. DPR Relative to R1 Crescent
First Great Magic R1 2 Cryo 563041.0266 117.5%
Aqua Simulcra R1 Passive On 523440.7583 109.2%
Amos R1 4 Stack FFB 507680.9594 105.9%

Morgana calcs I found stole from kqm:

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=2C74D686BA68C89E!5888&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!ALqrBMVD8JNrs7Y

[jovial smelt]

freeze on field or off-field?

[jovial smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1139540064293109790/1139540682223136828/image.png

and off-field https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1139540064293109790/1139540722220011642/image.png

[small gate]

Now for Tighnari

[jovial smelt]

I have it too

[small gate]

[jovial smelt]

But wait for me to finish my meal

[small gate]

Take your time ❤️

[wet knoll]

Tysm! @jovial smelt @sturdy frigate

[jovial smelt]

I send it to you in private

I don't wanna spam this channel

[small gate]

❤️

[amber olive]

no such thing as spamming this channel trust me

i like seeing this place active

nice to see actual TC happen in WFP

[jovial smelt]

should I send all my calcs with lyney bow on other characters here?

[low shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/871582531890315294/853669471717818388.gif

[jovial smelt]

Ganyu freeze on-field / freeze off-field / melt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990516998197378/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990517262430319/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990517518270514/image.png

Yoimiya https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990602088034376/image.png

Tartaglia https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990666143436850/image.png

Tighnari solo dendro / duo dendro
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990768677408849/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127019483102449736/1140990768941641830/image.png

And on Lyney https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1139540064293109790/1139540066977460224/image.png

That's it for Lyney bow, I can also share the doc from fischl mains (so not made by me) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10vF_uaMuBBw4p5zbgTat0jLPjl-8BQi9DwkhrPGOTks/edit#gid=1853107690

Sorry for spamming

[low shale]

and people are saying its a niche weapon

[jovial smelt]

it's definitely a top tier weapon, but there are many very good bow already

anyway, the weapon banner is insane

[fallen remnant]

how dare you do math in this channel

[pastel solstice]

Maxi shut up

[stone wadi]

Has anyone tested the new bp bow on tighnari?
Wondering if the bonus dmg would out-do my r3 thundering pulse cdmg/atk% boost

[pine ivy]

Has anyone tried hydro mc build yet??

[stone wadi]

Nvm I scrolled and saw dmg chart

[summer sigil]

Hmm lyney bow seems good on a bunch of units

That's nice

Better than i expected

Should be pretty good on fischl too i guess?

[crude cypress]

has anyone make calculation on Golden Troupe artefact for Alhaitham (and the rest of character)

[jovial smelt]

sorry for answering late but I sent the sheet for fischl ^^

[kind escarp]

How worth it is it to refine First Great Magic for Lyney? I ended up pulling three when I wanted one FGM and one Simulacra so now I’m considering refining it into an R3!! Does it jump up in strength that much from R1-R3 to warrant refining them?

[jovial smelt]

I can show you how much value you gain when I go back on my computer

give me like 15min, just finishing my meal

[jovial smelt]

R1 is at 28% above F2P option
R3 is at 36% above F2P option

[kind escarp]

OH NICE thank you! So about 8% difference! I might keep one R2 and the other R1 so I at least keep two copies!! Thank you so much for ur help 🥰🥰🥰

[crude cypress]

thanks a lot!! really appreciate your effort doing this

[jovial smelt]

You're welcome ❤️

[jolly hemlock]

so based on the leaks,what materials can u farm for neuviellette atm?

[small gate]

only talents materials

[tepid crest]

wait fr? not even local specialties?

[covert trellis]

tbh

im kinda liking lynette

shame i thought the infuse was on base kit, little to no surprise its on the c6 lol

[lofty wave]

its unrealistic as shit but i have a question about 4 MH

in a scenario where lets say Hydro archon Ticks down HP or a Wolf abyss

How does 4 MH do compared to Other Hutao Artifacts

[clear ivy]

if you can provide 3 stacks consistently, it would be just about everyone's BiS artifact or a close second

even with xiao's case it wins because of bennett (barely, and he's the attack character)

[jolly hemlock]

since neuvillette theory crafting doesnt exist anymore,i will aske here.is neuvillette, layla(for her shield), fischl(for energy and dmg), and an anemo like venti or kazuha (vv,grouping) a good team comp?

[glacial star]

Why you need grouping?

Did you watch the clip with his balls?

His pickup radius is generous

[vivid ember]

#1140682079424761976 is there

[crystal dragon]

its 5% better than 4shime if you manage to get uptime on MH passive iirc

so not even that great of an increase

but still, if we manage to get a certain hydro character that could enable MH passive through hp drain, & knowing how good that dungeon's value is, it will likely be a very good option for her

[fallen jetty]

I got ignored in other chat
But I have an idea to make Hu tao trigger the new crit rate set consistenly
Gorou C4 full EM with AP + elegy of the end might be a better option than ZL
Gorou c4 will heal hutao by 300 hp per tick each 1.5 secs.

He will give a double hydro team:
100 em + 20% atk from elegy
35% hydro dmg bonus because of crystallize from AP
shield between 4 and 5k each 1.5 secs because of crystallize + Q

He will also enable 72%cv on hutao.
Gorou > ZL!

[low shale]

tf

[sturdy frigate]

Gorou C4 healing only activates with 2+ geo party members

zhongli has a significant amount of shred as well, specifically pyro

elegy on gorou is a bit sus on rotations and consistancy

[crude cypress]

[echo timber]

Lmao

[pine ivy]

how many lv2 CS can Dehya protect for Lyney in a rotation? 2? whereas Lyney wants to make 3-4?

[fallen jetty]

Damn you are right. It would be such cool team m

Like opportunity cost good, but still good

[sturdy jasper]

When paired with Neu is the Golden troupe artifact set Better for Yae Miko than the 2pc Electro dmg % and 2pc atk% Set

Or full thundering fury/ soother set since charged

[shrewd barn]

how do i access the specific character TC?

[small gate]

@shrewd barn
#1140682079424761976 #1140681677346193511

[dusk token]

@pine ivy

[brittle aspen]

can I ask why Lynette TC channel is locked? Or do we just hate Lyney/Lynette that much that we wanted them locked forever?

[clear ivy]

something something moderation is too scary so we're closing the channels as soon as the beta is over

[brittle aspen]

aw, shame that there are no pinned guides/thoughts/etc for Lynette before the channel got locked

[clear ivy]

there should be the FAQs

[soft drift]

h!lynettefaq

Wait

[brittle aspen]

I've searched and not found anything

[soft drift]

#・faq message

[tiny goblet]

does the funeral parlor have a server for starrail?

[wooden tide]

which website do you use for calculations? is genshin.aspirine.su correct with numbers?

[lofty wave]

preferably you would use Optimizer

[quick rapids]

Anyone know if the golden troupe set is proving to be better on ayato than 4 glad?

[clear ivy]

as far as i'm aware, that set is absolutely useless on him because his slashes are normal attack damage

[brittle aspen]

anyone know how The First Great Magic ranks for Ganyu/Tighnari?

[jovial smelt]

#・theorycrafting message

[echo timber]

Anyone calced ayaka w the new crafteable sword r5? What's the % difference between finale and mistplitter?

(yeah kinda dumb question lol but finale has more drip and i might give mist to someone else in the future)

[tepid crest]

Hi, so is Yelan actually a good pull y'know besides/outside double hydro stuff? (I already have C6 XQ, Kokomi and Ayato as hydros right noe)

[calm dust]

thank you!!!

[jovial smelt]

You're welcome

[fallen jetty]

Imo, yes. Great unit all around. My yelan does way more dmg than my xq tbh, both with 4* weapon.
but it is true that I don't use her without my XQ. Neither do I use XQ without her
The combo is just so good

[pseudo kelp]

I use yelan without xingqiu in several teams and her potential as a sub Dps alone still makes it worth it along with her a4

[dusty osprey]

Hi im one of the tc'ers involved in the kqm yelan guide,

Considering you have a good saturation of hydro units. I would say that you dont really need to play her if you dont plan on pairing her in double hydro XQ. Unless theres a specific situation where you need a xq on both teams.

Typically yelan wont really be an upgrade by swapping XQ out if you are at c0 fav yelan. Since their damage is comparable if yelan doesnt have another hydro unit to lower her energy costs.

That said XQ's defensive properties can even make him a better choice for certain enemies. I know personally i will use him over my c2r1 yelan sometimes if the abyss has high damage enemies.

My recommendation is that its likely a good idea to save primogems for the upcoming hydro archon

So far archons have been pretty safe units to get

[tepid crest]

THANK UUUU 🙏🙏🙏🧘‍♀️

[echo timber]

um nobody did this atm?

[cloud heron]

How is Marechaussee Hunter crit stack work? Independently or refresh duration?

[thick cedar]

Is Aqua still the best childe nuke/speedrunning stick (single chamber fishing)? Been testing in optimizer with my pieces and Aqua is consistently 2-3% worse than Magic, are they similar enough that it can come down to personal pieces ? I have both rn

[hexed widget]

does anyone know how MH would rank on childe if he could maximise the passive? can it surpass ND?

[hexed widget]

refresh i think

[jovial smelt]

You can't maximise the passiv, so it doesn't really matter.
Even in burgeon team, remember that you burst with child as soon as you enter the field, so you will have no stack for burst. And burst is more than half of his damage in burgeon team since you get EM buff from nahida

[hexed widget]

on hu tao too. would it surpass cw/shime?

[jovial smelt]

No, you cannot maximize it aswell, it could be competitive if you play with a healer (other than bennett because he heal at -70% only), but all heal other than bennett doesn't bring much to hu tao

[hexed widget]

im talking about the hypothetical case in which you can maximise it bc an ally makes hp changes in the team

[clear ivy]

then it would be the best set on every character in the game

no point talking in hypotheticals, as alluring as these furina leaks sound

[timber topaz]

how many particles does fischl generate per 25s if you just use her skill once with no burst? (assuming no fav and c6)

[unkempt sandal]

2/3 chance to generate a particle on hit, 10 hits total per skill use

then it’s an ap stats problem

[fair kite]

Refresh, if it was independent duration it would be stated in the effect text

[sturdy frigate]

WAIT!!! so using binomial distribution, there is a 0.0017% chance that you get 0 particles?

[fair kite]

That is certainly one way to interpret the data

[copper cliff]

What set good for lyney?

Friend wants to know

[small gate]

1- Marechaussee Hunter
2- Lavawalker
3 - two ATK/ two PYRO

[copper cliff]

Thank you

[pine ivy]

How much of a dps loss in n2cD from n2cJ in tao team?

Tao xingqiu kazuha amber if that matters

[summer sigil]

Marechaussee hunter by far. Everything else should be a substitute until you get a good marechaussee set

But if you do have insane sub stats, it might take awhile to get an equally good marechaussee set

[indigo umbra]

anyone know how much %

(doesnt have to be that specific if no one knows the numbers, can i know which one is better? even if marginally)

average dmg difference does 4pc husk and 4pc skill dmg set have on albedo using r5 cinnabar spindle?

assuming same substats

[stone wadi]

How much em would I need on a paradise lost set to out-do gilded? (Hyperblooms)
Like rn I can do 900 em on Gilded, or 800 em Paradise (before any bonuses are active)

[vivid ember]

It's ~400, so you are good

[clear spear]

#1125709883392659456 message

[indigo umbra]

thanks but i cant find neither husk numbers nor golden troupe numbers

[jovial smelt]

it’s lyney calc here xD

[crimson valley]

im looking for some theory craft to make mika functions

[jovial smelt]

basically, with cinnabar, new set is better by 4%, but without cinnabar, the husk set is better

[crimson valley]

anyone know any good tips

[jovial smelt]

mika function with eula? someone else?

with Eula, never switch earlier to manually trigger her ulti

[indigo umbra]

thank you very much kind man

i shall forfeit all resin to this new domain, it is my new emblem domain

[clear ivy]

freminet

[clear spear]

i meant to reply to the one above asking for lyney, my bad

[indigo umbra]

no problem happens all the time

[low shale]

in my calcs, even without Cinnabar and/or Gorou, the new set came out on top, very slightly

[low shale]

Phys Fischl

[jovial smelt]

Oh good to know! I actually haven’t made the calc myself, but I read someone else calc

[jovial smelt]

[low shale]

oh, I cant send the image here

[jovial smelt]

you can if you upload it in another server and copy the link of the picture here

[low shale]

I can just send you in #・tc-lounge
that would be easier

[jovial smelt]

alright thanks

[small gate]

Why we can’t send pics here ? Many people ask about calc here for different characters.

[tepid crest]

abt sac jade..do we know for example i switch out before 10s, but switch him back in before 5s off field do i have the buff or not?

[jovial smelt]

from my understanding, yes, but we don’t know yet if the 10s timer reset when you leave the field

[tepid crest]

tyyy

[jovial smelt]

But anyway, if you respect the rotation, you should have 5s delay between his on field time (for neuvillette)

[tepid crest]

[crude cypress]

@jovial smelt sorryy for the tag.. I just want to know, have you made statistic or comparison of Golden Troupe artefact with the others?

[jovial smelt]

Not really but I looked into other people calcs, so I have a good idea of where it stands

[crude cypress]

ohh I see

[clear ivy]

i think it's an oversight, you can send a ticket to the modmail to fix that i like i did for neuvi tc, they usually give you a reply immediately there

[small gate]

oh .. I thought It was general case not only me.
Ok I send It
Thank you

[small gate]

They said I need to reach lvl 4

[clear ivy]

if i am not wrong

i am level 7

[vivid ember]

As a person with the prankster 4 role, I can't send images

[amber olive]

Test image 1 sec lmao

Hmmmmge

[fallen jetty]

I can't send it 🤔

[pastel solstice]

U can cheat it by sending the url instead of adding the img

[fallen jetty]

Reactions aren't allowed either

Anyways:

[fallen jetty]

[amber olive]

Yeah this works for now if yall need to send smth

But we looking into it

But rn most likely need a CFA to change role/channel perms

[fallen jetty]

[soft drift]

@ionic tusk

[sullen scroll]

hello

is the tc moderators online

[brave seal]

does golden troupe affect fischl bird c6?

[low shale]

yes

[quasi yoke]

What's up?

[vapid dragon]

hello ! does anyone knows how much hp asymon in the current abyss have ?

[soft drift]

This multiplied by 2.5 since it’s in abyss

So 2.2 million

[crude cypress]

k

[lapis whale]

Anyone got yelan f2p sheets?

[small gate]

C1 Lyney help or give more ER ?

[fallen jetty]

I heard it was a joke constellations

From zajeff tho

https://youtu.be/ZLQfDpSv4Ew?si=-Sj4JSRIE1k2Jk1s

[vivid ember]

Duckfero's calcs say this #1125709883392659456 message
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125709883392659456/1136288236235403294/image.png

so pretty decent

[jovial smelt]

he didn’t say it’s a joke const though

[fallen jetty]

Not on this video, but iirc there was a clip of him saying he was considering going for C1 only because it was kinda trash

[latent pelican]

Hi. How good is the new bp on cyno and hu tao comparing to their sig?

[kind escarp]

i understand that lyney is INSANELY strong in teams that have 2-3 pyro units including himself, but as a C2 Baizhu haver, i can't help but notice how efficient Baizhu heals Lyney off-field in order to allow him to proc more prop arrows!! i was wondering, if at all, there would be a team comp i could string together including c2 baizhu and my lyney that may not have the DPS of the team fall too low?? would it be ideal having c6 bennett and c0 kazuha be the last two members or would a c6 xiangling outperform the vv shred from kazuha and thus i should have her?

any thoughts are greatly appreciated 💛

[amber olive]

Imo baizhus a bit redundant here considering a bennett on a healer build should tick above 70% and be more than enough on the healing side of things, especially when characters like c4 yanfei exist for a shield + energy and healing with pamber. If you wanted to use baizhu youd generally use kazu bennett as the last two slots but youre sacrificing 20% pyro dmg bonus for what is effectively worse than yanfei here imo. Especially when baizhu has his reaction buff for dendro teams as well which isnt used here.

Obviously nothing stopping you using baizhu here and slotting him in wont stop you clearing, just my thoughts

[kind escarp]

I appreciate your advice!! I just really am NOT a fan of Tankfei’s shield being limited to her ult and the playstyle of her is just not my thing at all so I’m doing my best to slot Baizhu in with Lyney HAHAHA but I do appreciate the thought you put into this for me thank you so much!! 💛🥰🥰

[amber olive]

Lmao np, as long as you enjoy what you play in the end

[rare turret]

https://youtu.be/bAb5U9fEw1g

[vapid dragon]

thank u

[brittle aspen]

optimizer isn't working with maximizing my Mona's healing amount from PAmber - which would be higher party healing - 4pc maiden or 2pc maiden/2pc clam?

[cursive peak]

random question for the xiangling mains, when she's using engulfing lightning, will she want ER sands or does she still want atk sands? 4emblem btw

[brittle aspen]

ER questions are always “it depends”. But without plugging it into optimizer, I’d say I would feel much better with XL having more than 225% ER (I have ~210% and some comps still require some particle funneling)

[whole lion]

However you underestimate how squishy lyney is. Dude keeps almost dying

[echo timber]

Not if you run shieldfei or zl

[amber olive]

Mhm ideally you should be running him with a shielder (or dehya) coz bow CAs cringe

Ontop of bennett coz atk buff, the healings a bonus ngl lmao

[lofty wave]

classic benny W

wait this isnt TC lounge

[candid marten]

is there a way to calc which is better for yoimiya
98.5/193.1 with r1 lyney bow,CR hat
73.6/169.7 with r5 rust,CD hat
both using shmenawa

[clear ivy]

genshin optimizer or gcsim are your friends

[low shale]

^

[soft drift]

U can alternatively put it into a sheet

k!template

[lofty echo]

Calculation Templates

Below, you can find multiple calculation templates for all your DPS calculation needs using Excel or Google Sheets. Do keep in mind that you will need to install a solver add-on.

[soft drift]

Vlads one is ez for beginners

[wooden belfry]

@candid marten also this site, its very convenient [loading characters from UID and saving setups] and with good UI
https://genshin.aspirine.su/

[frail minnow]

is there any info out there for wolf fang r1/r5 (new battle pass sword) in comparison to other swords on characters like xingqiu and ayaka? at R5 max stacks its 43.6% cr and 32% skill & burst dmg bonus. jade obviously gives more atk but skill/burst dmg bonus seems more valuable? no math done on my end ofc

[unkempt sandal]

my napkin math says Wolf-Fang R1 < Sac R3+ ≤ Wolf-Fang R5 < PJC R1

for xingqiu before C6

taking into account ER requirements

[stone wadi]

Any comparison for tighnari with r5 ibis vs the new bp bow? The chart I found didnt have ibis

[torn ginkgo]

It diff <1%. Therefore, there are no calc sheets.

[stone wadi]

Ah didnt realize they were so close. I’ll stick with the r5 ibis then ty

[stoic crag]

yo

how to play lyney

just got c1 by mistake

in 30 pulls

benny xl kazu

[amber olive]

Shoot bow a few times

Burst

Skill

Or skill burst if youd rather catch particlrs

Bennet kazuha shielder basically

Gives himself steroids for attacking pyro aura

[copper cliff]

I'm building rosaria as a support for er and crit. Is 61% crit rate and 238% er enough?

Or would more er be better

She'll be in a freeze team with Wriothesley, Ayato and Kokomi

Just want to know if those stats is enough :)

[jovial smelt]

You don't need that much ER on Rosaria
You know that building ER on rosaria won't help your teammate to get back their energy, right?

[jovial smelt]

I tried to cook some ER requirement calc in the team you said, and rosaria has 166% ER requirement

but the hydro one (ayato and kokomi) need more than 250%...

it's because ayato doesn't generate any particle has off-field

you should just remove him, he is kinda useless in this team, put xingqiu/yelan/kazuha isntead

[brittle aspen]

does Fischl's Oz snapshot from Aqua passive? or do you lose the buff if you cast Oz in range and end up being out of range?

[jovial smelt]

It should snapshot yeah, unless they made it so aqua buff cannot be snapshotted. Hoyo tend to do whatever they want with which stat can be snapshotted, so I'm not sure :/

[brittle aspen]

so, it snapshots, unless it doesn't? cool

[copper cliff]

Okie I'll aim more for crit then. I dont really build rosaria so thank you

[copper cliff]

I dont have Yelan/Kazuha and xinqiu is barely built

[small gate]

Any calc for new Elemenet skill artifacts for Yae C6 ?

[unkempt sandal]

probably similar to fischl since skill dmg is the overwhelming majority of dmg output at c6

[jovial smelt]

off-field and no burst every rot, it’s 7% better at c6

[small gate]

That's a lot less than I thought

Thank you ❤️

[indigo umbra]

is DEF% goblet better than DMG% goblet on albedo? (for the new skill dmg set)

[gritty linden]

Anyone have the link to dmg calculator? I forgot the site💀

[amber olive]

@gritty linden

[still nexus]

Is it better to put em sands on yae than atk when running on 4ps Gilded Dreams?

[clear ivy]

No

[still nexus]

Ohhh I see

[amber olive]

generally youd prefer ATK sands coz GD is gonna give you more EM than ATK

so you wanna balance that out imo

[small gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1003464859809226783/1148468035133390888/image.png

This from the new event ( the first buff

If somehow Furina C2 like that I will whale 🐳

The second buff It Is almost like c2 nahida

[whole lion]

If furina allowed hp decrease, would MH be viable, or even better, competitive for Hu Tao?

Since it buffs CA

[lofty wave]

Can be used on tao if you run pamber nahida

But otherwise yes

It would

[whole lion]

Do we have calcs?

[small gate]

How ? There’s no furina kit

We need to wait the beta to see If she can work with her or no

[whole lion]

Ah no

I mean max stacks hu tao

[indigo umbra]

anyone know if DEF% goblet better than DMG% goblet on albedo? (for the new skill dmg set)

can i post images here? cuz i got this optimizer thing, and its preferring an onset DEF% goblet over an off set DMG% goblet

and circlet is off set if i were to use the DEF% goblet

[fallen jetty]

Idk if you can post images here, for some unknown reason...
I would follow optimizer, just make it sure that you have check the sets effects, like full def buff from husk

[low shale]

It can be good

[indigo umbra]

DEF goblet stats:13.2% cr; 7.8%cd
off set CR circ stats: 22.5% cd; 14.6% DEF

off set geo goblet:6.6% cr; 14% cd; 16.8% DEF
on set CR circ: 13.2% cd ; 12.4% DEF

[indigo umbra]

these are all the differences in stats

[low shale]

I would send a image if I could

[indigo umbra]

i know how dmg% stuff can become not as efficient if you have too much of it, like im lucky and have r5 cinnabar spindle,

i feel like my artifact stats are kinda just too hard to do any maths with tbh

[indigo umbra]

thats what i tried first but well...

[low shale]

bur tldr:
if you are using the new set + HoD: DEF goblet is actually a bit better than a Geo one

if you are using the new set + Cinnabar Spindle: DEF goblet is a bit worse than a Geo one

according to my calcs at least

[indigo umbra]

how 💀

[low shale]

new set = a lot of DMG%

if you arent using Cinnabar Spindle, you basically only have DEF from the sands

[indigo umbra]

def gob out performs geo gob by like 572 average dmg, i know its not significant but im just so curious

[indigo umbra]

oh yeah that makes sense

yeah that makes a lot of sense

[fallen jetty]

@amber olive said she would fix it for us. She lied 😭
Jk she didn't promised anything, but she would check it if possible

[indigo umbra]

my head is exploding from the maths

[amber olive]

its still not fixed?????

[indigo umbra]

im trying to figure out when would geo goblet be better

[indigo umbra]

like how much def and crit etc

cinnabar passive is messing with me

[low shale]

yeah, just checked on Genshin Optimizer
new set + Cinnabar Spindle: Geo goblet is like 3% better
new set + HoD: DEF goblet is like 1% better, and my build has a lot of DEF subs already

[low shale]

with Cinnabar Spindle and/or if you are using Husk

[indigo umbra]

i've been farming new domain like crazy ever since ive heard its better than husk by like x%

[low shale]

its like, 3-4% better at equal subs

[fallen jetty]

It isn't. I can't send images neither react at least.
Unless it needs some specific normal user role that I don't have

[indigo umbra]

yeah something like that

[low shale]

but like we are seeing, the new set can run DEF goblet and its much more competitive or even better than a Geo one

[indigo umbra]

the worst part of this dilemma: you're way more likely to get an amazing on-set DEF gob than a geo one

so its settled then? DEF>GEO (in terms of practicality; and if by some kind of BS miracle i manage to get an on set 40 cv geo gob before i get a 50 cv def one)

[amber olive]

will try get it sorted out later and let you know

[fallen jetty]

[low shale]

I mean, just use what the optimizer is saying its better

but this means: save your DEF goblets

[indigo umbra]

no save, insta gamba and level it 💀

wait a sec

no nvm

i was thinking if atk and hp goblets are worth saving follwing this logic

[low shale]

yes actually
but the thing is that characters like Fischl dont just do raw dmg anymore

[indigo umbra]

i should save EM ones for solo dendro nahida in aggravate teams right?

[low shale]

yes

[indigo umbra]

huh...

[indigo umbra]

if i ever get one that is 💀

i love this new set so much, its like emblem but i dont need to think about energy and funnelling

[amber olive]

should be fixed now

[fallen jetty]

It is, thank you so much Leifa

[amber olive]

np

[mossy spruce]

assuming I get no other 5 stars (none predictable at least, they'll be random pulls and standards)
who would be the best c6 besides ayaka to basically solo carry my 2nd team?

I want to get 1 c6 5 star and I dont really care about anyone else

[green tree]

yelan

[mossy spruce]

yelan is better than nahida/xiao/eula?

alr

actually how well would yae do at carrying the 2nd team?
would she be capable with f2p stats on widsith or would I not have enough dmg like that

just based on personal preference im wondering if shes capable at that level of investment

[bronze monolith]

Where did neuvi tc go

Oh wait

[clever phoenix]

is there any study on what skills can hit the crab boss horn?

[hexed widget]

anyone know how good the fontaine bow is for childe?

[jovial smelt]

which bow?

[hexed widget]

craftable

[jovial smelt]

the passiv is too unreliable in my opinion

I wouldn't recommend it

[hexed widget]

doesnt benny heal make it worth it?

[amber olive]

bennett doesnt heal you if youre above 70% HP

afaik, having a bond of life doesnt change that

[small gate]

Abyss 4.2 buff

with this information and old Furina weapon leak we can confirm that she will use Element skill artifacts

[clear ivy]

Wtf party drain

[amber olive]

Interesting abyss buff

Hmmmge

[pearl kiln]

hp drainmaybe heal and dmg buff relating to reactions

really hoping she works like Nahida in the way that skill is dmg while ult is buffing and you would want to ult everytime.
This would make golden troupe and the pipe sword works on her.

[mellow eagle]

inazuma fish weap raidenf2p fontain fish weap furina f2p

why would mihoyo be kind twice 🤯

[small gate]

The catch Is broekn tbh .
Fleuve Cendre Ferryman only give ER

I hoped that It give DMG not ER

[elder swift]

Furina gonna have ridiculous ER reqs and her BiS will be GT, you'll be begging for that ER

[small gate]

For now look like she Element skill character

[small gate]

.. and her weapon don't give her any ER

[elder swift]

Just because she gets most of her damage from skill doesn't mean her burst is going to be irrelevant

And tbf yelan needs quite a bit of ER depending on the team and aqua simulacrum doesn't give ER

[fallen jetty]

C1 will fix her

[hybrid plaza]

About a month ago I was in here asking about hu tao and what's a good dpr to aim for. I was told that with c1r1 (which i have) I should be able to hit 900k.

After a month of leveling up my hu tao, homa and talents, as well as grinding artifacts. I've hit 846k dpr. I still have a couple pieces that need improving, but at this point now I'm wondering what the cap is.

I feel that I'm almost to the point where improvements won't be as vast anymore. But like, my pyro goblet has 12.4cv and that's just 2 crate rolls. That's kind of my main thing I'm looking to improve. I just don't want to go crazy trying to improve some of the other pieces (25-30cv) if the dps increase won't be that significant (hence asking what the cap is)

[covert trellis]

🧑‍🌾 can any1 link a good energy calc for chaarcters? idk if someone has like a generalist one or something

[jovial smelt]

You can say that each substat is an increase of 2-3% of your DPR

[jovial smelt]

the keqingmains one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit#gid=1841979497

[small gate]

Is c6 Bennett worth for Lyney ? how much difference from c5 ?

[jovial smelt]

assuming you have about 200% dmg% without Bennett C6, you will gain about 5% DPS on Lyney.
It also help xiangling and kazuha dmg

[abstract phoenix]

Neuvillette best team? Took a break from Genshin moment I finished archon quest, assume I have all of the 5 star support characters, and each is fully built. Ideally a all 5 star team cuz I have 0 built 4 stars and burnout is making me not want to have to build a 4 star alongside neuv

Also what’s neuv best weap list

[mossy spruce]

whats kokomis best build for pure hydro dmg?

ignoring heals, clam, bloom, etc.

vape is the goal

[jovial smelt]

I guess 4p heart of depth should be a decent option for what you are looking for

[mossy spruce]

wouldnt my E ruin vapes tho?

im not familiar with reaction weights and icds or whatever

[jovial smelt]

ah yeah true, since hydro on pyro is forward vape

it's very hard to keep the pyro aura

[mossy spruce]

ive been thinking between like
2pc hydro 2pc hydro
4pc nymphs dream
4pc vourukashas glow

not going for wanderers since I want normals not charged

[jovial smelt]

what's your team?

[mossy spruce]

not decided completely yet but im thinking yunjin bennett kazuha

[jovial smelt]

if you wanna play kokomi dps, I would forget vape, and play with mono hydro or tazer

[mossy spruce]

i 100% want to go vape

[jovial smelt]

I doubt kazuha has enough pyro app

[mossy spruce]

if he doesnt then I'll put xiangling in his place

[jovial smelt]

yeah it's safer

[mossy spruce]

or thoma or smth

I have thoma at c6 so he would buff her normals

[mossy spruce]

oh I also cant decide on a wep

its between ttds (assuming not that), proto amber, mappa mare and skyward atlas

[jovial smelt]

Her normal attack under burst is considered normal atk damage, right? So vorukusha wouldn't work

I would just go 2p2p hydro/hydro or hydro/hp tbh

[mossy spruce]

actually isnt nymphs dream just 2pc2pc hydro but with extra atk too

[jovial smelt]

that's only assuming you get all stacks, but yeah

atk is not useless, but not priority too

[mossy spruce]

I'd never normally consider using mappa mare but the passive actually works for vape kokomi afaik

so with the em mainstat and elemental dmg from the passive it might be good im not sure

110 em and 32% hydro bonus

[jovial smelt]

You are building something that no one really cared about yet, so there isn't much calcs sadly 😭

[mossy spruce]

which would u assume to be best at least ;-;

ill trust ur opinion

[jovial smelt]

I found this calc made during her beta, but I don't think that's vape

it still give you an idea

[mossy spruce]

alr so mappa mare probably then

its higher than atlas WITHOUT using the em

[jovial smelt]

Yeah it's crazy

[mossy spruce]

never realised mappa mare was good

but now that I think about it its probably pretty good on overvape klee and aggravate lisa too

probably someone else im forgetting too

[acoustic widget]

my haitham run mist splitter r1 , should i run both EM cup and EM sand ? my dendro cup kind of worst than my EM cup , glided dream set

[small gate]

oh no

not another stupid animal

[indigo umbra]

my current neuvillet build

btw anyone know where/how i can find specific TC channels? cuz i used to be able to find neuvillette TC easily but now i cant find it

[vivid ember]

#1140682079424761976

it hasnt moved anywhere

if its not in your channel list you might have to add it

[indigo umbra]

tysm

[indigo umbra]

btw where can i find these channel links?

[vivid ember]

they should be under this channel, but if you can see them go the the channel and roles section and see if you can add them to your list

[indigo umbra]

ohh thats coool i did not know that, thnx!

[fallen jetty]

She summons squirrels, boars and the whole water zoo

Like an oceanid

[small gate]

[gilded aspen]

for who is this, neuvillette?

[jovial smelt]

no, it's kokomi dps xD

[gilded aspen]

DAMN can u make a video?

[jovial smelt]

I just answered his questions because he wanted to play her like this

[gilded aspen]

@mossy spruce can i see your dps koko?

[rough slate]

Would triple hydro teams actually be a thing if Furina is good for Tao?

Or like replacing XQ/YL

[cosmic halo]

she'd need to have very good hyrdro application to beat out xq

but it could be that she matches xq in hyrdro app and buffs good too then prob

[hollow hearth]

60% cd buff like Sara trust

[mossy spruce]

I don't have koko I'm prefarming

Won't matter if I don't get childe anyway cos I'm quitting if I don't get him this time lol

[hollow hearth]

I skipped childe everytime

[cosmic halo]

at c0

[hollow hearth]

Yea she a 5* so she should give this buff at c0

But even if she gives this it will be only applicable for hydro char

[mossy spruce]

Ive spent over 700 pulls across his banners

and still not even c0

[hollow hearth]

He seems tempting but ik furina and nuevi will replace childr

[mossy spruce]

even if they replace him I'll still main him

when I eventually pull him

[hollow hearth]

He is on banner

Rn

[mossy spruce]

I know

I've spent like 140 pulls on this banner

but I lost the 50/50 and I have nothing left to spend

[hollow hearth]

I don't have 5* bow so I'm skipping him

[hollow hearth]

U could explore all of Fontaine it give 15+ pulls

[mossy spruce]

i already got it to 100%

[hollow hearth]

All I have 100% is mondstalt rest are in range of 0% - 60%

[cosmic halo]

you can always just spend money

[hollow hearth]

[mossy spruce]

are there any domains that give crit rate

like

the stage buff thing

[cosmic halo]

abyss can

[mossy spruce]

outside of abyss i mean

[cosmic halo]

it's not a domain but bounties sometimes have increased CR or CD

[lethal lion]

Furina is gonna be a Off field?

[mellow eagle]

seems she can be both

[wooden belfry]

now come back when actual beta releases

[small gate]

[sturdy frigate]

New artifact domain, funny numbers

[clear spear]

isnt that one cd?

[vivid ember]

Yeah, it's 70% cdmg

[pearl latch]

No it's 70% edmg

[pastel widget]

Also, in Keqing Aggravate how many A4 procs are there on average? Like 1 per sec?

[jovial smelt]

fischl A4 ? everytime there is an electro reaction

[soft drift]

Depends on a lot of factors not limited to combo timing hitlag

[stoic crag]

Yo is pjc gonna be good on furina, apparently her sig is paired with green donut 4.2 1st half

[jovial smelt]

we don't even have her kit yet

[stoic crag]

There is a whole manga releasing on reddit

[jovial smelt]

not enough info to calc anything, but I believe pjc will be good, probably 2nd best

[unkempt sandal]

isnt there 0.5s cd on a4?

[hollow hearth]

How much dmg diff does c1 childe have over c0

Since he can melee for longer

[jovial smelt]

0% since you don’t need it in optimal rotation

[hollow hearth]

[jovial smelt]

but it’s good for people who don’t know exact timing

[hollow hearth]

So it's useless

[jovial smelt]

yes

[sacred jewel]

hi
I had questions about cyno
Is this combo (E,Q,N3E,N5E,N5,N2E,N5,N2E) correct? (With gilded)
also when you cast your e only one aggravates is that the "mortuary rite" or the a1?

[unkempt robin]

How much dpr hu tao has according to kqm standards?

[lethal lion]

Bro this shit is 3 characters in 1

Helps You to pay taxes

C2 becomes yisus

[tepid crest]

do we know if neuv can prefunnel nefore Q cast?

[clever phoenix]

anyone have neuv framecount?

[clear ivy]

it's one of the older images sent in #1140682079424761976

godspeed

[vagrant tundra]

what is the difference between 2 stack neuvi with hydro resonance and 3 stack with no hydro resonance?

[candid marten]

why cant i talk in neuv and wrioth tc channels

[vivid ember]

#858129087376523274 message

[candid marten]

ah thanks
so no one can talk

[vivid ember]

yeah

[clever coral]

Do we know Nuevi potencial dmg

[copper cliff]

Is getting ayato cons worth it if he has a rerun

I was considering his weapon but every time I went for 5* weapons I lose 5050s 🗿

[proper falcon]

wat u guys think?

wrio use solar pearl better or widsith

i think reverse melt use widsith right

but i find solar pearl passive cooler

but since his artifact will give him 36crit i feel like focus on cdmg better

so widsith win again

im so indecisive like which one better

[amber olive]

wrio cant activate solar pearls passive

so id prefer widsith, especially with MH set

wrios E doesnt have a hit box so you arent activating the NA DMG bonus

[proper falcon]

burst?

so wrio use E his E scale off NA?

so counted as NA?

[amber olive]

theres almost no reason to do Q into E rly as its gonna waste a lot of your VV/other buff uptime, especially when its not rly recommended to build for his burst

[proper falcon]

not like ayato right

more like yoimiya

[amber olive]

his E just buffs his normal attack dmg

so yoi/wanderer

[proper falcon]

okay widsith then

but i feel like playing widsith playing melt is more better

if unlucky get the EM buff

if play freexe then rip

[amber olive]

Regardless its cr and a useless passive
Or cdmg and (at worst) a sometimes useful passive

Take your pick

[echo timber]

In both situations widsith >>>>> solar pearl

[amber olive]

Mhm

[echo timber]

Just like said leifa, cr is a dead stat for freeze especially if you have mh even if you get the em buff in freeze, widsith is a good weapon for him

Also, you can always restart the chamber

[bold pumice]

hello. has anyone checked if neuvi can pick up the the sourcewater droplet from traveller or not?

[amber olive]

They are the same resource, yes he can but he also prioritises the oldest ones made now so he can do 4 CA rots without needing extra orbs at all

[calm dust]

is r1 skyward atlas always better than r5 flowing purity?

[jovial smelt]

on neuvillette? they are both bad

[calm dust]

nope, general question, and with wrio in mind

[jovial smelt]

skyward is usually better on most characters

and on wrio too

[calm dust]

in his calcs skyward is always better, so i'm wondering whether i should just dump purity into skyward lol, i just got it. thanks!

[novel bluff]

whats the rotation in neuv,fish,kaz,zl team again?

[jagged lily]

Does neuvilette charged attack proc fischl c6 coordinated attacks?

[dire mica]

This constellation is not triggered by Charged Attacks, Plunging Attacks, Elemental Skills, or Elemental Bursts.

It's only for Normal attacks

[jagged lily]

Ah okay, thanks!

[serene imp]

do y'all think neuvillette was made with future units in mind?

[clear ivy]

literally furina

cf: her A1, and his C1

[vapid dragon]

why his C1 make him synergetic with furina ?

[clear ivy]

C1 makes it so he can host another hydro character on the team

well, it means one less reaction

but it's obvious it's more meant for furina more so than beidou

[ebon mountain]

as well as furina and neuvi help eachother with ER reqs

[novel bluff]

youre not obligated to pull neuvi c1 to use furina with him tho

[clear ivy]

it's more so how they sneaked that in to push towards replacing zhongli with furina

[novel bluff]

as of know ive been playing c0 neuvi abyss 12 with no shields

i think hes doing ok

vs kenki that is, he doest get interrupted

[uncut jasper]

is c1 neuvilette on par with c1 hu tao? like qol + dmg increase?

iirc besides hu tao theres no other insane c1, almost every good cons start at c2, so I wondered if c1 neuvi is like the new c1 hu tao

[clear ivy]

he's better in terms of increase

[uncut jasper]

So his c1 is the highest increase for a c1 ?

[clear ivy]

until furina

then it turns into a debatable case

idk about wriothesly much but his c1 is also such a massive improvement in QoL department and team variety

[uncut jasper]

how much is the pre tc calc for furina c1?

[clear ivy]

we don't have exact numbers for dps

but her c1 involves you permanently gaining 150 * 0.21 permanent damage bonus

[uncut jasper]

I thought for archon its always the c2 thats insanely good

[clear ivy]

so like, 33%?

[uncut jasper]

damn

[clear ivy]

which is almost kazuha

no, it is 800 em kazuha

[uncut jasper]

So her c1 looks to be the more must have this time rather than c2

[clear ivy]

c2 has the potential to be a game changer too

it doesn't seem that flashy

but it's roughly condensing 170% worth of HP MVs into a small window

depends on her frame count but that's anywhere between 50 to 100k dps within that window

[uncut jasper]

I see, im kinda glad that the better cons is the earlier one this time

after knowing neuvi c1 is even better than tao c1, I clicked on wishing and just got him

[clear ivy]

i mean, it might be hard to grasp c1 neuvi's strength right now

but at the very least

you can now run teams without penalizing yourself or needing a shield

like taser

or more importantly in the future neuvi + furina

[uncut jasper]

I hope I wont regret my descision

[uncut jasper]

the other 2 stay kazuha and fischl?

is furina healing enough?

also what the best team to run rn that I have his c1?

[clear ivy]

neuvi overheals himself thanks to the stacks with furina which procs her A1 fairly consistently

whether that is enough or not, that remains to be seen

but even then fischl / kazuha or charlotte / kazuha or fischl / jean

[clear ivy]

rn i'm going neuvi, yelan, fischl, kazuha

yelan mostly for the buff + the particles

so i keep getting my Q early

[uncut jasper]

no healing?

[clear ivy]

neuvi heals himself

[uncut jasper]

I see

whats the best defensive option slot for c1

beidou?

[clear ivy]

beidou

[uncut jasper]

she provides better team dmg than other shielders?

[clear ivy]

she's originally a sub dps with damage reduction and a small shield

even in c0, she used to be close to zhongli fischl in terms of strength

let alone in c1 where she has no downside

[uncut jasper]

how is Mona c4 with pamber

is it cope or could it be better than beidou

[clear ivy]

i seen people run that

it's probably a not bad option

[uncut jasper]

bc if its only for buffing and particles Id assume shes better than yelan bc she can also heal and you cant really use yelan to her fullest bc no NA

[amber olive]

if u want specifics, on festering i saw it about 80k ish iirc?

but you need to factor in that shes not attacking with her guests so she most likely wont make energy there either

so no onfield particles 😔

DPR not DPS

[clear ivy]

80k DPR???

[amber olive]

100k DPS is the whole fukin team

[amber olive]

for just the C2 hits yeah

[clear ivy]

that's ... not a lot

[amber olive]

DPS would imply shes doing 80k the whole rotation

which she is not

[amber olive]

im not very impressed with her C2 rn

its hit or miss

but im waiting on more info

[clear ivy]

i was evaluating dps locally

[amber olive]

also her being a 4hit combo that probably cant do N4CA is rly annoying

[clear ivy]

so like over the span of that second or two

of course a second is unrealistic

[amber olive]

which is y i said DPR altho i guess itd just be best to say damage increase

[clear ivy]

that's very fair, you can stick pamber on her

[amber olive]

[clear ivy]

well, it's only a damage increase if you have downtime

[amber olive]

yeah

assuming she has the time to take the field

which in neuvi teams now with the CA charge cancel tech

she would

[clear ivy]

i guess

[amber olive]

it frees up about 3-4 seconds ish

[clear ivy]

i thought she'd be like 170% hp mv

[amber olive]

i can calc again once i get more info like frames ,exact intervals etc

[clear ivy]

which would be at least 200k dpr

[amber olive]

youre losing out on the guests attacking which is a gud amount of damage on its own

[clear ivy]

yeah that's why it's 170%

well, not exactly

but yeah you're doing 210%

but losing out 40%

which turns up to be injecting 170% hp mv into the conversation

[amber olive]

so when shes already at 340k DPR before team buffs, an 80k increase on that is pretty nice

altho pretty sure the calc was on MH and not GT

so the guests would lose out on a lot

[amber olive]

so again see here

regardless its functionally like nahida/yelan c6 but not as impactful imo

[clear ivy]

actually, how worse is MH over GT

[amber olive]

it doesnt stack off field

so

quite a bit

[clear ivy]

oh fuck

what about vorushka

nevermind that doesn't affect NA

man if only they made these NA hits scale as E damage or Q damage

[amber olive]

im not expecting her to be able to proc vourukashas

shes not getting hit

so

[amber olive]

id love if they were skill dmg 😔

regardless

[clear ivy]

but yeah , that's what we're working with

[amber olive]

if i just slap on the 30% HP MV stuff into my existing FD calc

[clear ivy]

i had high expectations for the infusions and i absolutely forgot that they take no buffs, neither from the weapon nor from the set

[amber olive]

im getting +121k DPR

but obviously i havent taken away any guest dmg

if i take away 1 from each so 6 hits on each (still using 7 on each for now coz its a gud middle ground between the other 2 assumptions we have) its +76k DPR

HP/DMG/CDMG

if i do it on HP goblet

1 sec

[uncut jasper]

wait a sec, she can also hold Hakushin Ring to buff fischl if u dont need the survival but idk if its really worth it to sacrafice the healing

[amber olive]

+61k DPR

[clear ivy]

hmmm

[amber olive]

if i dont remove the guests

+108k

[clear ivy]

but doesn't the pneumia also take away hp in c2?

on a per hit basis

[amber olive]

1% per hit to the team

so 28 more stacks

[clear ivy]

so you'd do E (wait for first volley of guests depending on how quick they shoot ) CA N(string)

[amber olive]

its not gonna significantly increase the average amount of stacks rly

[clear ivy]

you'd average 2.8 or something MH stacks

if you choose MH over GT

[amber olive]

this is at an average of 150 fanfare after all

[amber olive]

MH also only lasts 5 seconds before removing itself

so youre then crit rate-less for the rest of ur rot

[clear ivy]

ah so after that you're a dead duck

[amber olive]

[clear ivy]

i forgot about that

[amber olive]

yup lol

if her guests snapshotted (which they definitely fucking dont coz of fanfare)

then it would be ALOT better

CR snapshotting is already weird in the first place iirc

hope that gives a bit of insight on why i feel her c2 is kinda iffy right now tho

altho sac sword giving 14 slices is kinda interesting to think about