・genshin-spoilers

[rustic frost]

but makoto and ei were and twins and the people couldnt tell much difference between the 2

hmm

this is troublesome

imagine if its just a dev error all along

[uneven turret]

dont we see her in the trailer sort of when ei is running after her?

[rustic frost]

yes but we dont see her face

[uneven turret]

yeah true

[rustic frost]

only her hair

[blazing raft]

Lotta faceless characters.....

Why mhy just why

[uneven turret]

maybe its raiden's old design

[rustic frost]

tomo is a h*ntai protag lol

[blazing raft]

The ones i care about are faceless

The ones idgaf are faced and are of no importance

What's going on

[blazing raft]

Noooo, you did NOT

[rustic frost]

but i did

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blazing raft]

[rustic frost]

man

seirai island is kinda cool

[blazing raft]

Why give eis friends faces why not stick to the faceless agenda?

[rustic frost]

not sure if i wanna do the quest yet and calm the thunderstorm down

[blazing raft]

I haven't even removed the storm from the first 2.0 island

[rustic frost]

yashiori island?

[blazing raft]

Ig?

[rustic frost]

i only did it so i can unlock the domain

also to take a nice pic of the serpent head

[blazing raft]

I haven't unlocked the 2

[rustic frost]

the excessive electro is kind of a pain in the ass

[tulip sonnet]

au where kokomi is relevant to the story other than being the leader

wish we saw more of her tbh

[simple ivy]

hoping her storyquest is great

[wild turtle]

What to do

[simple ivy]

theres another set of tiles if you go through the lightning door

light up the opposite tiles there

the other set is near the statue i believe

[wild turtle]

O

[placid wedge]

Ok this is honestly a sudden change i noticed

[wild turtle]

Nothing happened

[still edge]

for that one i believe you use this pattern?

[wild turtle]

Oh gonna check it

Thanks

[split stirrup]

Sauce '-'

[royal thorn]

Made a gift for y’all

[prime drum]

How did signora stay alive for so long

[blazing raft]

Hold on

I remember somewhere it was said that scaramouche has a "master"?

Does anyone remember??

[night wedge]

Just realized Genshin just spoiled everyone who uses the quest menu

[azure elm]

They probably (wisely) figure most people aint gonna read shit.

[night wedge]

[runic rose]

wait yall werent kidding abt the dendro archon not being male anymore⁉️

[old coral]

but he is

as ganyu said before

the god that yae talks about probably is like the god of salt from liyue

just another god from the region

not necessarily the archon

just a guess, though

[mighty elbow]

Ive found a cat circle

and a cat couple

[old coral]

close to the shrine on seirai, i presume?

[stone barn]

Thinking back on it, the story this update kind of turned into a mess. Felt like there was a lot of build up for characters like Kokomi and Gorou only for them to not do anything in the end, and now Yae said our journey in Inazuma is over so we'll probably be going through a bunch of filler updates again soon.

[still edge]

is scaramouche kunikuzushi ??

[thick notch]

yea

[runic rose]

yeah, thats what i figured too- but the change to ganyu's dialogue wrt the dendro archon is what tripped me up. im not sure if its mihoyo not being clear, or the translation team getting confused. although it seems odd to me that if kusanali is the dendro archon why she would be referred to as a "lesser lord"

[old coral]

another reason why she can't be the archon

[weary oriole]

I feel like scaras segment was a bit rushed

[unkempt arrow]

Why is there a peace talk in the trailer but not in the archon quest?

[stiff glacier]

maybe that’s kokomis story quest?

[weary oriole]

Yeah 2.2 has just started, there's more content to come

2.1*

[night wedge]

I love beating baal when my phone doesnt let me

And it just crashed when i talked to yae

[dusty hamlet]

i completely forgot that kokomi was getting a story quest ☠️

[stiff glacier]

lol

[unkempt arrow]

But why is Sara fighting against kokomi after it ended?

[tawdry pike]

interesting

guess we'll only see when it comes out in 2 weeks

[stiff glacier]

kokomi found out that the kujou clan sided with the fatui

and the fatui gave the rebellion delusions which caused soldiers to age and stuff

[tawdry pike]

oh ya huh

i forgot about that

[night wedge]

Why does elemental vision give you the things name

[hollow obsidian]

hmm 🤔

[night wedge]

Would this be ssj 2 as its different then the one in liyue?

But ssj 1 only makes your hair yellow aura and sparkle is ssj 2 so technically its ssj3

[north tangle]

How I see it is we'll know next week. If they update the voice line to say "she" then it's a done deal. If not or that it gets changed once again then there's room to contest the english team currently got tripped up for w/e reason

Right now the voice line is the same as it was before only the text got changed

[stone herald]

is anyone here wl 4 or wl5 and has defeated signora yet?

[north tangle]

I believe they just retconned it but because they didn't update Ganyus actual voice acting I have some hope it's just error

[stone herald]

o nvm

[stone barn]

wait so is she/her pronouns used for the dendro archon only in english? and in other languages they use he/him?

[north tangle]

Ok so it's complicated. In the CN,KR and JP versions the dendro archons pronouns are neutral and it is never said anywhere that Kusanali is the dendro archon. She is said there to be the flower god rather than the wisdom god (could be god of both but she IS called a lesser lord). In the other languages which are all based off of ENG there is no flower god title and in the Ganyu scene they referred to the dendro archon as a "he". Now they went back to fix all mentions of Kusanali into being a "she" which included the Ganyu scene

[rotund delta]

Woah gender fluid archon

[north tangle]

the possibility exists that whoever edited the scene yesterday did not realize theoretically that Kusanali is not the dendro god but someone else, but that's just some hope really. Right now the voice acting still says "he"

[glass quartz]

so then if the voicelines get changed from he to she its confirmed kusanali is the archon? im a little confused

[rotund delta]

Tbh when I saw the thing about the “lesser lord” I was thinking like. An archon who plays a governing role (like Raiden shogun) but instead of being the big guy in charge, they act as a lesser figure, and While I don’t think this is the case, I think it’s a fun idea

[north tangle]

Not 100% confirmed but yes because then it proves this change into "she" was very much intentional with knowledge from the writers about what to do

[stone barn]

I think we really just have to wait for when sumeru comes out/archon gets leaked to confirm the archons gender

[glass quartz]

and so if it the voiceline isnt changed into she its the opposite, and the archive would revert back to he eventually right?

[north tangle]

uncle Terry is our only hope if one leaker asking around to figure out the archon truth

and their bro who was their source is pissed at them

but this is important so maybe they'll pull through

[glass quartz]

i hope so...

[north tangle]

Yeah if the archive gets reverted then it'll be 100% confirmed that Kusanali is NOT the archon and is still a male

[glass quartz]

ok, thanks i understand now

[north tangle]

npnp my apologies if I explained my logic poorly

[glass quartz]

no you explained greatly its just that english isnt my first language and i had only read a single message

[north tangle]

ah I see I see. No worries then

[idle arch]

Genderfluid archon

Problem solved

[weary oriole]

After signora’s death I don’t think I have high hopes for dottore

[glass quartz]

dottore? more like... uh... deathtore,,, yeah

[night wedge]

@jovial blaze as this is her line about him

[jovial blaze]

I’m dead

[rustic frost]

Its a joke about how he has hair covering his eyes...

[queen furnace]

I swear everyone did this when they got to the cat shrine

[gray vault]

I didn't, don't have her

[queen furnace]

I hope you do

Might be my favorite support character

[gray vault]

Never got Razor, either

[snow lion]

forgot which one this is parodying. iirc something about being reincarnated as a goblin? not weeb enough to remember.

[glass palm]

Re:Monster?

[snow lion]

ye, that's the one

dw Ei, everything you do is visually agreeable.

[eager gull]

Ei’s story quest is so great

I love it

[blazing raft]

opinions ig

[dark gorge]

why are archons poor

[bold wolf]

Itto the next xinyan?

[dark gorge]

first time mihoyo actually used blood

[steady hatch]

what a fucking chad

[wanton wing]

they dont need mora in general lol they can easily make mora out of nothing too but dont feel the need to cus they’ve been served for years

money has never been on their thought thats why zhongli didnt even think of having a savings acc

[frosty goblet]

was the gnosis piece was ever shown at one point

im interested what chess piece ei had

[dark gorge]

rook

[polar ermine]

Just solo’d baal with Zhongli

Archon Vs archon

[civic lily]

Well unlike ZL who no one know that hes the geo archon, everyone know who ei is, so she doesnt need money when leit she can either ask the buyer to give her or ask the commision to give her mora

[wanton wing]

people didnt know ei they only knew shogun

they dont know who the real one is

[scarlet river]

hey what do i do once i get to the part where ei takes away elemental abilities? am i meant to just dodge at that point or

nvm i got it

[weary oriole]

the ANTI Raiden device was pointless

it took several tries for me to execute it right

[idle arch]

I did it until I could beat the 3 hit version lol

[steady hatch]

Sumaru is dendro or pyro nation?

[idle arch]

dendro

natlan is pyro

[steady hatch]

So it's rather jungle?

[idle arch]

probably closer to egypt/persia/the Mesopotamian region as a whole

[unkempt arrow]

Wrong chat sry

[steady hatch]

But dendro suppose to be nature and stuff

[weary oriole]

ye but still

[idle arch]

yeah

[idle arch]

and egypt is very fertile around the rivers

[weary oriole]

shit

wrong pic

[idle arch]

thanks

[weary oriole]

...

bruh

[steady hatch]

Then where the dendro visions if not people nor nature?

[idle arch]

theres a reason why humanity started there

[steady hatch]

So what is the reason?

[idle arch]

because of the river systems making the place extremely fertile

tons of shit grows there

this is a picture of the nile river

[wild kraken]

Nice spoiler

[tired marlin]

wat

[cursive anvil]

Signoras officially dead?

[blazing raft]

lol

yup

[elfin prairie]

Based on my experience with honkai, wait for 2-3 years for confirmation from mihoyo

[blazing raft]

how long this question gonna be asked

[cursive anvil]

Idk im shocked

[idle arch]

sneak peek of sumeru

[elfin prairie]

2-3 years i assume

[idle arch]

got it from John Genshin himself

[wild kraken]

When

[idle arch]

soon ™️

[blazing raft]

please let them take their time this last story quest hurt me

[cursive anvil]

What happened to teppei

What happened to Sara wtf

[elfin prairie]

Sara just fainted

[solemn galleon]

yeah im pretty sure she was just knocked out

teppei dead tho

[cursive anvil]

We didn't see her after that

[summer cradle]

traveler just literally abandoned teppei to die on his own

not even the decency to stay with him until he drew his last breath

he died alone by the house. wtf traveler

[wild kraken]

Poor teppei

[weary oriole]

MC needs to act quick and destroy delusion factory so no more people will be affected

[wild kraken]

He made me really sad

[summer cradle]

like at most 1 hour would have made a difference?

at least get him to the medbay so he doesn't have to die alone

[mild parcel]

Do yall think Ei's sister also had booba sword?

[summer cradle]

traveler didn't even tell kokomi and gorou about teppei

[weary oriole]

1 hour of making delusion will make a difference

[summer cradle]

they left and teppei was still there by the house

[wild kraken]

Who is she

Ow i remembered

[mild parcel]

Makoto

[summer cradle]

literally the resistance soldiers already had the delusions and were still using them anyway

it would not have made a difference

[weary oriole]

will staying until he dies make a difference?

[summer cradle]

if traveler wanted to save people, help kokomi in convincing people to stop

[wild kraken]

Hehe

[summer cradle]

morally speaking, yes. and also there was still a chance teppei could be saved, at least there was no indication that it was hopeless until scaramouche told us

[weary oriole]

MC was angry and he wants to see which one is responsible.. so he can act fast.. prevent more like that

[summer cradle]

especially considering the genshin world has so many magical healing people

yeah and I'm saying maybe if he hadn't been so rash, he would have less people to avenge

teppei wasn't exactly dead yet

[weary oriole]

for me, it was just logical to leave the resistance at that point and go to delusion warehouse

[idle arch]

the traveller also probably intended to go back after they destroyed the factory

but they got blindsided by evil god juice and was brought unconscious to the shrine afterwards

[summer cradle]

sure, and not even at least tell kokomi and gorou that a dying soldier was right there?

that part made zero sense

[idle arch]

wasn't kokomi right next to them

[summer cradle]

not close enough to actually see him.

[weary oriole]

Everyone knew.. that they're gonna die

[summer cradle]

and they disappeared without mentioning him and teppei was still there, breathing and heart beating

[elfin prairie]

Traveller just act stupidly act without prepare just straight up to the mouse trap, which resulting in yae had to give the gnosis

[weary oriole]

as much as I love teppei, and felt emotional when he died.
you can't milk the sadness out of him until his last breath

far too long, the emotion will stretch out

[summer cradle]

honestly I think Yae was already planning on giving them the gnosis. I like to think Ei actually wants to support the tsaritsa's goal of rebelling against the heavenly principles, since fear of the heavenly principles are a big part of Ei's reason for locking herself up

I'm not saying they should stretch it out. I'm saying the order of events made no sense

talk to an alive teppei -> abandon him on the ground and talk to kokomi+gorou without mentioning the still-alive teppei -> everyone leaves, teppei dies alone by the house and who knows when someone will find his corpse

[vital ore]

bro you're ranged. stay in range. smhmh

[summer cradle]

doesn't something seem wrong with that order of events?

at least mention him in the talk with kokomi

anyways the entirety of the resistance arc was such a hot mess

[fluid palm]

yeah the problem with act 3 is that it had a lot of different overarching plotpoints that they couldn't focus on too much
that's why some characters and plot points were sidelined/not given porper endings

what act 3 DID do was great imo, however the problem lies with what it didn't do

[summer cradle]

haha yeah @ the entire resistance and the yashiro commission

i felt like the first part of act 3 with the resistance was still a mess

even with what they did do. also like how come the resistance holders had such bad side effects when the fatui skirmishers are fine

[weary oriole]

the story sequence was fine for me.. idk about others think. it could have had more content.. but it doesn't make sense to linger for long. our memory space is the limiting factor and they have to wrap it fast. (otherwise, they will lose more mobile players)

[summer cradle]

well I just laid out why I think the story sequence made no sense. how do you defend MC leaving Teppei to die alone by the house without telling anyone?

[fluid palm]

that's what i'm honestly wondering
maybe that's another plot point that will be revealed (filled in) later on
who knows, maybe they'll reveal that delusions only work well on allies of the tsaritsa or something idk

it's dumb

[summer cradle]

doubtful! I think mihoyo made a huge plot hole just to try and get us to feel emotional with teppei's death

[weary oriole]

Privacy for Teppei
Can't bear to look at people dying

[cursive anvil]

Who is this

[summer cradle]

first of all how come traveler even knew teppei couldn't be saved?

kokomi the healer was right there

and kokomi mentioned something about treating the affected soldiers earlier on

[fluid palm]

that one imo isn't that bad, cause it can be filled in later on, the real plot hole is related to morax, baal and beelzebul

when the FUCK did zhongli mention that baal was dead???

[weary oriole]

I don't wanna talk to you anymore if you bring that up. Like dude

[summer cradle]

the tengu dude in the trailer for ei

[summer cradle]

he didn't. ganyu did

[fluid palm]

he did

[summer cradle]

so, mistake or something

[fluid palm]

wait a sec

[cursive anvil]

Yeah

[summer cradle]

what do you mean

[weary oriole]

cause why don't we just give teppei fried egg to resu him
there's something called gameplay and story seggregation

[uneven turret]

just feed him some steak

[summer cradle]

no but like, we know canonically Barbara can heal people

so healers exist

magical healers of some sort

so canonically there's potentially treatment available

[weary oriole]

at that point when I left Teppei, I just wanna murder some Fatui

[summer cradle]

so it makes no sense to me why we just leave Teppei for dead instead of trying to save him

[weary oriole]

Cause he can't be saved anymore. He's dying fast

[uneven turret]

i think its not something that can be healed, the delusion seemed to literally speed up his natural lifespan or drain his life force

[fluid palm]

im pretty sure this is meant to be a more "spiritual-related" thing
he looked like he was aging quicker, which can't really be healed

same with diluc's dad

[summer cradle]

okay, sure even if all that's true, it still doesn't explain why traveler doesn't at least mention to kokomi that a soon-to-be corpse of a resistance leader is right there by the house they're standing in front of

[uneven turret]

healer might be able to keep him comfortable but if it were possible to "heal" death from old age then people in teyvat would all be immortal lol

[weary oriole]

Teppei was dying fast.. and so are other people.. it's not new news.

it was pretty much accepted that they're gonna die

[summer cradle]

the effects of delusions are so inconsistent. why aren't the fatui skirmishers affected the same way? why could childe recover with no long-lasting side effects?

[uneven turret]

its not inconsistent, its explained if you read the lore. vision holders are not affected

[summer cradle]

so they can just leave their rotting corpses laying around?

and fatui skirmishers have visions?

[tired marlin]

fatui skirmishers have bodysuits or somn

[weary oriole]

Childe is a vision holder. Also Diluc when he used Crepus delusion. That's the conmon thing I see. Fatui, not yet explained afaik

[summer cradle]

childe, sure. I guess that was mainly his foul legacy form

[uneven turret]

yeah fatui skirmishers like in some robot suits or something

[summer cradle]

cicin mages?

pyro agents?

no bodysuits there

[weary oriole]

I think Vision holders are protected.. but that's just my theory

[uneven turret]

my guess is that they are willing and ready to die for the cause

[summer cradle]

how can they even function for long enough to get training and go on the field?

[weary oriole]

in regards with the Fatui, Dottore was doing human experimentations, child even

[summer cradle]

it would take at least a year. and teppei died in like 3 weeks?

[elfin prairie]

Isn't it stated they need to wear a special mask to negate the side effects

[summer cradle]

where?

[weary oriole]

Dottore was attempting to recreate an archon based from the manga (if my memory is correct) and Fatuis might be volunteers

[elfin prairie]

In manga i think, might take a while to retcon it again

[summer cradle]

and if that's the case, why the hell wouldn't they provide the equipment to the resistance, if they really wanted to help overthrow the shogunate and/or get delusion customers?

[weary oriole]

they want to weaken both sides

[uneven turret]

don't they just want the gnosis?

[summer cradle]

anyways, how would some kind of equipment be able to prevent life force draining

haha don't even get me started on the gnosis. that was so random and fickle

they didn't make any actual plans to snatch it

[weary oriole]

prolly playing the long game to get Gnosis? otherwise, how would you get Gnosis from Baal (if they haven't know yet she don't have it)

[uneven turret]

i'm guessing they did have a plan but scaramouche took the opportunity to take it for himself

[summer cradle]

it was just seemingly by chance that yae showed up with it to exchange for the traveler. unless you're saying they predicted traveler would get mad about delusions and come confront scaramouche?

I don't see how these actions would have led to them getting the gnosis at all

[uneven turret]

no i'm pretty sure when signora is with baal and sara at the end she did not realize at that point the gnosis was already gone

[summer cradle]

so youre saying signora was planning to beat up the raiden shogun? uhhh

[weary oriole]

personal theory but there is a sakura tree in the delusion warehouse.. sakura is linked to yae.. she would know.

[summer cradle]

great plan

[tired marlin]

true... how did yae even know we were coming here? is it from the omamori

wait when did we get the omamori

[uneven turret]

yae gives it to us

[summer cradle]

after we woke up

[uneven turret]

yeah

[summer cradle]

wow another plot hole I didn't even notice

[weary oriole]

the sakura tree was featured and zoomed in the camera frame for a reason.. i guess

[uneven turret]

but i wouldn't overthink that part, yae is a supernatural being

she might be able to just sense where traveler is, more maybe she can smell them bc she's a fox, who knows

i can let that slide bc she's not a normal human

[weary oriole]

and Yae seeing the prototype after a long time, she would be curious i think

[summer cradle]

yeah that's fair. still, if they hadn't gotten the gnosis by chance then, how would their actions in general have led to obtaining it?

clearly none of them can actually best the raiden shogun in battle

if the raiden shogun wanted to, she could have slayed them all

it was very convenient for the fatui that zhongli was thinking about retiring anyway

[uneven turret]

i mean there's a chance signora was planning on just trying to take it. she was able to do that with venti, maybe she felt over confident. she charges at her to attack her right before she dies so maybe she did underestimate her strength or something

[summer cradle]

but their whole strategy of elsewise taking gnoses by force makes no sense. it seems the the tsaritsa actually has a good motive and a good heart? why not try negotiating?

[uneven turret]

or overestimate her own strength

[summer cradle]

even if signora overestimated her strength, the tsaritsa should have known better

and also lumping all the evil stuff on the fatui while simultaneously insisting that the tsaritsa has a good motive... hmm.

[uneven turret]

yeah personally its why i think the fatui are still bad even if they do have a good motive

[summer cradle]

oh yeah also huge complaints about how they did kokomi so dirty. having her actually be unaware of how bad her "bemefactors" are? she's supposed to be a genius tactician

[crude ermine]

i’m so disappointed in the story

[summer cradle]

what exactly is "its" there?

[summer cradle]

me too. god

[crude ermine]

i’ve never felt this bad about it

[uneven turret]

"lumping all the evil stuff on the fatui while simultaneously insisting that the tsaritsa has a good motive."

[terse tapir]

kokomi not even being suspicious about the benefactors when inazuma still has the sakoku decree in effect is...

[crude ermine]

i love genshin so much, i play every day and spend money on it. this definitely made me reevaluate how much i play lol

[summer cradle]

yeah my question is how that makes sense

[uneven turret]

ive heard a lot of people say the fatui are not really bad bc the tsarista must have a good motive

[summer cradle]

right??????

[uneven turret]

it doesn't lol

[crude ermine]

signora’s death was the biggest cop out i’ve ever seen.. it was completely ooc and served as shock factor at best

[summer cradle]

it would have been so much more interesting if kokomi knew and was doing an "ends justifies the means" thing

[crude ermine]

and then the lack of the resistance after all they were hyped to be

[summer cradle]

ugh and her backstory wasn't even used properly

[fluid palm]

alright can i talk about the one thing i DID despise about this quest?
it's how they handled the crimson witch
she had virtually almost nothing to do with signora
her personality and motives here and the ones described in the artifact sets had NOTHING to do with each other

[summer cradle]

yeah they literally accomplished

nothing

[crude ermine]

most people don’t even know her backstory unless you read about theories (like artifact sets and etc)

think about all the ppl that have no idea who the fuck she even is

they don’t know why she’s the crimson witch at all

???

[uneven turret]

i didn't care about her dying really but there were some plot holes and stuff i didn't like. i wish they used kokomi and gorou more, i felt like we spent more time with teppei (who despite everyone saying he's the best npc ever, i didn't care that much about) than either of them

[fluid palm]

it felt like they made signora the crimson witch just to have a plot twist

[terse tapir]

and it didnt even make sense bc you wouldnt know about the crimson witch unless you paid attention to the lore regarding her

[summer cradle]

yeah honestly I couldn't really care that much about teppei either because of how illogical everything in the arc was. how come no one noticed non vision users using elemental powers...

[uneven turret]

imagine if during mondstadt instead of spending time with amber and then venti we spent all our time with some random npc who then died at the end lmao

[crude ermine]

character deaths in itself is NOT a bad thing and i welcome them, BUT ONLY IF THEY MAKE SENSE THEMATICALLY IN REGARDS TO BOTH THE CHARACTER AND THE SETTING!

[summer cradle]

PREACH

at least put us in gorou's squad, or interact with him and/or kazuha

instead it's npcs all the way down

[fluid palm]

i never gave a shit about signora cause until now she has been this personality-less cartoon villain
the crimson witch however? she had a motive, a personality.
the worst part is that signora here was a lot less intimidating here than she was back in mondstadt

[crude ermine]

I ranted about this before but signora fighting the traveler benefited her in no way, she literally lost everything in a fight that wasn’t supposed to happen- and a fight she would’ve gained nothing from even if she won. The signora is by far the most dedicated Harbinger to the Tsaritsa that we have seen- she would not be that impulsive

and sure ppl mention how she lost her temper at venti, but that was personal

[uneven turret]

ive actually been theorizing for a while that signora is crimson witch and people used to call me crazy so i was kind of happy about it

[summer cradle]

I guess she was confident that she would win and make this a way to get rid of traveler once and for all

[crude ermine]

True but even that is a cop out and is insulting to her previous character

[summer cradle]

but didn't the lore say signora forgot all of her past once she became signora

[fluid palm]

i mean, if we look at the artifact lore, id also think that she would win easily

[summer cradle]

so how would she have a personal grudge still

[crude ermine]

Hmm i don’t remember that but i haven read it in forever

[terse tapir]

dont forget it was the traveler's idea that the duel even happened

[uneven turret]

how was it personal? bc he didn't personally save her bf who died fighting in a war? or are you talking about the "invasive vermin" line, bc that is a mistranslation of the original chinese

[summer cradle]

it's in her new boss drop material

the butterfly one I think

[terse tapir]

they're responsible for her death to an extent but was like

[weary oriole]

i like EN ver though.. ahahahah

[crude ermine]

the first, but it’s kinda a flimsy reasoning :/

[terse tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[summer cradle]

a lot of things about the story were awful but one thing I did enjoy was how they handled Ei's character. finally, someone who is ACTUALLY morally grey and whose motives make some amount of sense

[terse tapir]

when signora actually died

[fluid palm]

signora/crimson witch was so fucking pathetic here, and mihoyo only made her this weak for a "darker plotline" where she dies even though the story has put 0 emphasis on us actually giving a shit about her death

[summer cradle]

they could have made kokomi morally grey too but nooo she's a ditzy innocent waifu

[wanton wing]

i feel like they wrapped the ending of archon quest was pretty bad and short

[wanton wing]

same

[weary oriole]

Signora has to die cause Mihoyo can't make her playable 😂

[terse tapir]

there's like so few people who'd prolly even remember her real full name

[uneven turret]

i do too but its made a lot of people think venti was implying she didn't belong in mondstadt even though she is from there and that's why signora got so angry and blah blah when that's not really true

[summer cradle]

right? it was so random. like mihoyo needed a new weekly boss

[crude ermine]

Signora was super meticulous regarding her dealings with the previous archons (waiting for the most opportune moment to strike Venti, the weakest of the 7, and purposefully staying out of direct conflict with Zhongli and instead using Childe to pull the strings) so it seems completely ooc to have her be so careless with Baal/the traveler

[wanton wing]

baal shouldve been the weekly boss instead of signora

[crude ermine]

that would’ve been super cool too

[terse tapir]

then ppl gonna cry they cant beat the shogun

[weary oriole]

Resident rodent bests invasive vermin... Aiyaa. the cheekiness. So good

[terse tapir]

[fluid palm]

EXACTLY???? like id think she would have a back up plan of some sort but naaaah

[wanton wing]

baal fight was a lot harder but entertaining to fight

[summer cradle]

the weekly fight could be the second phase with the vision support

[terse tapir]

the duel wasnt even in the plan

[summer cradle]

it would be really cool

[uneven turret]

in cn he just mansplains to her that she means rat and not hamster

[crude ermine]

omg i would’ve loved that

[terse tapir]

if the traveler wasn't so fucking pissed both signora and mc would still be alive

[summer cradle]

or the whole fight with both phases. it definitely could have worked like that

[weary oriole]

Also the slap after it.. good sound effects 😂

[crude ermine]

they made her “morally grey” yet somehow magically excused all her actions at the end as if she didn’t betray her country, leaving it in a state of famine, war, disarray.. etc while she knew the shit show was happening the entire time. People died. The country was in shambles. But it’s ok guys, Ei didn’t mean it like that

[summer cradle]

did they excuse it though? I haven't done her story quest yet oop

[crude ermine]

If you’re going to make her motivations so complicated, then people’s reactions should be complicated

[summer cradle]

so they absolved her of all consequences?

that's a big yikes

[terse tapir]

ei's story quest being the least serious archon's story quest is such bs

[crude ermine]

It’s like a waifu quest

[uneven turret]

traveler held a grudge over what happened with venti for like the length of the entire game so far lmao, i cracked up so hard when she mentioned him and signora is like "tf that happened ages ago"

[summer cradle]

nooooo..... they waifu'd ei???? what the fuck

[fluid palm]

honestly im glad ei wasn't a weekly boss, would've ruined the actually well done sequence after the encounter by us having to beat the shit out of her (due to shear plot convenience btw) at least once every week

someone like childe being a weekly makes a lot more sense due to his rival/antihero personality

[summer cradle]

I take back what I said! that sucks ass

[uneven turret]

signora says this while according to her stans holding a grudge against venti for something that happened 500 years ago

lmao

[crude ermine]

Signora come back i swear 😭

I love u 😭

[summer cradle]

I guess then they way they handled ei's character was good until her story quest. what the fuck mihoyo how could they do that

[crude ermine]

Tbh tho if she died a good death i would not care

[summer cradle]

they had so much going for them

[crude ermine]

i’m just unsatisfied

[fluid palm]

her story quest was nice imo, made me like ei a lot more
the archon quest didn't make her feel "human" enough for me

[uneven turret]

i wish they gave her better reasoning for her grudge against venti tho, "her bf went to war and lots of ppl died but she's pissed venti didn't save him in particular" feels so flimsy to me

[crude ermine]

I still think it was meh beforehand. the archon quest had so much infodumping i felt like i had to constantly try to re-figure out wtf was going on

[terse tapir]

it's not "in particular" it's more of a

venti wasnt doing much

[summer cradle]

they can make her more human without making her a waifu and absolving her of her crimes

[crude ermine]

i think it’s more of a human seeing a god abandon them

[summer cradle]

ok yeah the storytelling was sus, but i just mean ei's motivations in general

[crude ermine]

when they are supposed to be your saviours

[uneven turret]

he didn't abandon them though

[tired marlin]

fr lmao

[fluid palm]

that's what the game has been doing so far though lmfao
zhongli and childe are the worst offenders imo

[summer cradle]

the storybook cutscene and stuff was great

[crude ermine]

true, i don’t mind her motivations on paper

[crude ermine]

yes but she might not know that

how would signora know venti’s personal life

[summer cradle]

you're absolutely right about childe, but for zhongli, well his crimes aren't even 1/10th of ei's

[uneven turret]

yeah that's true, i can understand her thinking that from her pov but it bugs me when fans say it, like we have lore available to us showing that's not the case

[summer cradle]

he even had plans to intervene if things went south

[fluid palm]

according to lore, he's probably the worst out of the seven
before guizhong ESPECIALLY

[summer cradle]

ei should face the consequences of her actions

[fluid palm]

he was waiting for things to go south a long fucking time but idk

[summer cradle]

which he's acknowledged and atoned for through his continous and dedicated guidance for millenia

ei is different. we're talking about her VERY RECENT actions that she has not faced consequences for

[crude ermine]

The gods only priority is their own territory anyways

and baal abandoned hers in a state of ruin

[summer cradle]

yeppp

she hasn't even admitted she was wrong at all

she still holds firm in her beliefs, which would be a cool take if there was backlash

[crude ermine]

tbh if she didn’t know what was happening it would be way more plausible to excuse her, but then the story is like Oh yeah she knew the entire time

[crude ermine]

right i agree

[tired marlin]

this

[summer cradle]

I would love a morally gray character handled properly and with proper consequences

I was hoping her story quest would deliver that

but nope they went waifu route. how charming

[tired marlin]

THIS

[idle arch]

I mean I dont think theres a point in absolving ei or not because she's a god

[summer cradle]

I guess genshin has to dumb down its story for casuals

[tired marlin]

makes it make more sense why the abyss did what they did even tho it was wrong

[idle arch]

god's don't follow the same morality as humans

[summer cradle]

and the playable characters can't actually be morally sus

[summer cradle]

we're not talking about absolving her, but having her face consequences

[fluid palm]

im gonna state my honest opinion on this

but honestly ei "needing to face her actions" is a side effect of her actions being treated by in-game plot convenience as the worst

the game acts as if zhongli and venti are great lil pumpkins that do their job well, even though venti never even did his job and zhongli put his whole city at risk and acted as if he had a back up plan

all 3 of the archons are flawed, just ei's flaws were more put to light to make her more antagonistic

[summer cradle]

the resistance exists, people shouldn't just blindly forgive her with no call for compensation

[crude ermine]

True, and the gods don’t care about human morality the way we do. But we should see through the people of inazuma that there is still consequences to her actions. If everyone goes back to just letting her do her thing it seems super unrealistic

[idle arch]

I mean from the people of inazuma most of them are fine with the vision hunt decree

according to Ayaka

[summer cradle]

how do you know zhongli didn't have a backup plan? venti I agree with

[crude ermine]

so many people died, or became legit braindead. i doubt their family or friends would just let it slide because the shogun said she’s sorry and gave everyone their visions back

[fluid palm]

to add to this, zhongli didn't even do asscrack other than put his people in danger,
traveler did everything for him

in the quest atl

[summer cradle]

and he said he would have stepped in if things went south

[crude ermine]

Zhongli had confidence in the qixing and the adepti

[summer cradle]

the whole point was to see if the city could stand against threats

[crude ermine]

he wanted to hand liyue over to them

[summer cradle]

exactly

[crude ermine]

yes and if they couldn’t he would’ve just saved them

he orchestrated the whole thing

he knew what he was doing

[summer cradle]

also regarding venti, yes he didn't do anything much, but that was his creed, and his people accepted it

God of freedom and all that

[tired marlin]

he used us as a pawn lil

lol*

[idle arch]

except if you plan a terrorist attack you would still face consequences even if you had a plan to stop it

[fluid palm]

OH AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE SECOND ACT OF HIS STORY QUEST

zhongli owes us so much other than "oh go to inazuma maybe you can learn something from the raiden shogun" and "oh yeah i cant tell you shit about khaenriah or your sibling lol"

[crude ermine]

Venti contradicting the freedom of his ppl would go against his ideals as an archon anywyas

[summer cradle]

yeah and what's wrong with that? he's an archon

[fluid palm]

we solved EVERY problem zhongli had and he gave us more questions than answers in the end

[summer cradle]

the only consequence of the attack was the jade chamber tbh

[crude ermine]

zhongli is a god and doesnt owe us anything. he is the god of contracts- if he went against a contract himself, what would that say about his entire being?

[tired marlin]

mmm true i suppose

[summer cradle]

yeah it was frustrating, but the story isn't excusing him or making it seem like he was super friendly or helpful

[tired marlin]

man they really do stick to their ideals huh

[summer cradle]

oh yeah, he had a contract! exactly

[crude ermine]

true and tbh i think this was zhongli’s test for ningguang to see if her devotions lie solely with money- or with the well-being of liyue

[fluid palm]

but that's what i like
he can't do the right thing cause of this unknown contract he has to not mention khaenriah,
that's what make him so interesting, his flaws, which are sadly never put to light since the game treats him as near perfect

[tired marlin]

i wonder why venti doesnt just appear once in a while as barbatos

he doesnt have to rule

[summer cradle]

wym??? the game clearly acknowledges his flaws

he's not presented as perfect

[tired marlin]

some people already doubt he ever existed

[crude ermine]

i love the contracts thing but we definitely see his flaws

[summer cradle]

lmao I feel this

[crude ermine]

zhongli is my fave archon because of his grey nature and his extreme devotion to “his way”

he does what he believes is best for liyue and that’s it

[summer cradle]

yeah! venti makes sense too, and ei COULD HAVE BEEN really great too, if not for the discontinuity of her story quest

[uneven turret]

i think he doesn't want people to treat him differently, he seems to be uncomfortable with it. like he's really grateful when jean keeps calling him venti

[tired marlin]

trueee

[crude ermine]

Ei would’ve been great if they took time and care into her story

[fluid palm]

the only flaws the game really puts emphasis on are his past war crimes

...from thousands of years ago

not his blatant manipulation and endangerment of civilians, nah we can excuse that

[tired marlin]

honestly if he could be human im sure he would

[fluid palm]

"UUH UUHHH ZHOGI HAD A BACKUP PLAN YES" -mihoyo

[uneven turret]

i get the feeling thats partly why he likes traveler so much, they know the truth about who he is but still treat him normally/like a friend

[tired marlin]

what would his ideal and form be if his friend didnt die i wnder

[crude ermine]

if the threat was never really there for the civilians to begin with, it doesn’t really matter imo

[summer cradle]

literally how do you know he didn't? he's still hella powerful and could have clapped osial's ass

canonically that's just facts

[tired marlin]

mhm :D love him

[crude ermine]

it was just a test for the qixing and adepti, it was never going to escalate to actual destruction of liyue (aka terrible for everyone including zhongli)

[uneven turret]

and yeah i agree he'd probably just turn fully human if it was possible

he might miss being able to fly though lol

i was thinking it probably sucks for traveler that they used to be able to fly and now can't anymore

[summer cradle]

and the game acknowledges that he couldn't tell us anything we wanted to know due to contracts. the explanations for his actions actually do explain what he did, instead of misdirecting by telling us he likes sweets and light novels

[tired marlin]

TRUEEE

[fluid palm]

yet he didn't
his reasoning for this was to prove that the qixing and adepti didn't need him, even though the person that defended liyue from osial was mostly mr/mrs ~~mary sue ~~traveler

[crude ermine]

the thing is, if u think about it logically, zhongli has no benefit putting liyue in ACTUAL danger. because of that it’s pretty obvious there was no real danger (this is extreme oversimplification)

[tired marlin]

thank goodness they arrived in mond first so theyd get a wind glider

amber best girl

[fluid palm]

and he's still let off with an "dw man i get it lol cheers"

[summer cradle]

LITERALLY WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE NEED TO WHEN THEY ALREADY HANDLED IT, YOURE MAKING NO SENSE

he would have stepped in ONLY if things went south

which they didn't!!

[tired marlin]

folks lets settle down

[summer cradle]

sorry, sorry

[crude ermine]

literallt this

[fluid palm]

mb

[tired marlin]

no worries!

[crude ermine]

if the traveler wasn’t there and things did go south then he would’ve stepped in LOL

[tired marlin]

its understandable to get heated up once in a while, ive done it plenty too dhhsds

[crude ermine]

or if they did fine without the traveler, then yay

i was heated af yesterday but im tired now

i can barely form an argument

[summer cradle]

I just did act 3 so I'm freshly angry lol

[tired marlin]

i get heated when there’s venti slander

oooo i see

[crude ermine]

Yeah i get that

[cursive anvil]

I feel like kokomi didn't get much time in the chapter

[tired marlin]

definitely

she was horribly wasted

[crude ermine]

She was reduced to a pretty npc, she did nothing

[summer cradle]

yeah. they really did her dirty

[crude ermine]

we talked to teppei more than her

[uneven turret]

me too its like the one thing that gets me really heated lmaooo

[crude ermine]

gorou said like 2 words

So much for the mighty resistance lol

[summer cradle]

airhead too. even gorou knew more about tactics than her

[tired marlin]

same lmaoo and when people get his lore, motivations and personality wrong my anger goes 📈

[cursive anvil]

I wanted her to atleast interact with the shogun once

[fluid palm]

imo
venti is a fucking awful ruler and the game treats him as if he does his job well

another case of a flawed, interesting character that the game lets off for plot convenience

[summer cradle]

remember when gorou suggested a different plan and kokomi was like "hmm yes I didn't consider that" like what??

[uneven turret]

scaramouche slander im like "ok i love him but he deserves it to some extent" but NOT VENTI

[tired marlin]

so many people purposely mischaracterise him its tiring

[tired marlin]

THIS

[uneven turret]

gorou the brawn and the brains

[tired marlin]

shes made out to be this respected intelligent and wise tactical leader then she’s just katheryne

[crude ermine]

@summer cradle i literally agree with everything you’re saying 😭

[summer cradle]

the consequences of him choosing full on freedom are fully acknowledged. like when mondstadt was taken over by tyrants

[crude ermine]

Finally someone shares my opinions

[summer cradle]

thanks I say the same to you

[tired marlin]

he is an awful ruler because he literally doesnt rule. mondstadt’s people dont like to be ruled over but some do and wish he’d come back

[scarlet river]

this

[tired marlin]

how does the game treat him as if he does his job well?

[crude ermine]

if venti ruled over mondstadt then is it really freedom?

[cursive anvil]

I mean mondstadts controlled by a military rn right

[tired marlin]

there’s plenty of npcs and people that doubt his existence

[crude ermine]

that goes against his core principles

[uneven turret]

its a running joke that he's lazy, how does it treat him like he does his job well lmao

[tired marlin]

hence giving him less power and belief

diluc knows his identity and he treats him like any other dumbass alcoholic bard

[uneven turret]

paimon calls him a lazy bum and stuff all the time

[crude ermine]

Venti let the people of mondstadt choose their own path in life, complete and total freedom

[tired marlin]

klee calls him bastard bard or something right?

[uneven turret]

unless you're implying the people of mondstadt being happy and content is a bad thing bc they should all be suffering due to his laziness?

yeah paimon and klee both call him bastard bard lmaooo

[summer cradle]

it's great, everyone knows he's a freeloading alcoholic. how is that a good image lol

[crude ermine]

if venti was actively ruling over mondstadt i think he’d be doing. a pretty bad job as the archon of ~freedom~

[tired marlin]

there’s still some people that fully believe in him like the nun on storm watch and the girl who cleans the windmills even though they’ve never seen him, however there’s some MEMBERS of the CHURCH that doubt his existence

some of the KoF do too

and probably most of the people in mond

[uneven turret]

venti essentially did what zhongli just did but long ago, he wants his people to be able to be free and that includes leaving them to fend for themselves in most situations. yet he does step in when its absolutely necessary, like helping venessa free the slaves and helping defend against durin, etc.

[tired marlin]

we dont know what he sleeps for, we dont know what he does in his sleep, we’re pretty sure he doesnt know what happen in the world (look at manga), we dont know why he does it if he cant wake up himself (he usually wakes up during disasters where people pray to him)

[uneven turret]

he's like a parent, a good parent doesn't coddle their child their entire life. they set them up for success (which he did by fixing mondstadt and making it not a frozen wasteland) and then let them be free

[fluid palm]

which imo could be done a lot better,

having the people of mondt be free shouldn't be without consequence
and the only consequence so far seems like jean's LACK of freedom

the game should add spotlight more on the fact that true freedom can't ever be achieved

don't get me wrong btw i love venti

[tired marlin]

“how long have i been asleep for?” then proceeds to ask people what happened and was confused why ludi harpastum traditions changed

[summer cradle]

did you literally miss when I said mondstadt got taken over by tyrants

[summer cradle]

here

[uneven turret]

mondstadt isn't perfect though, there's a guy in the fountain looking for spare change bc he can't afford his sister's medicine

[snow lion]

I mean, the consequence was that venti became too weak to even defend mondstadt from dvalin. Which is indirectly because of too much freedom.

[tired marlin]

there’s also consequences in the fact that mond doesn’t seem to be advancing that much, the people are too free spirited to do so

but i do agree it could be done better, but you previously made it out to be as if the game gives him a medal for being a terrible ruler

[fluid palm]

hmmm, honestly though, yeah i agree with y'all on all of these

[tired marlin]

sorry if this seems aggressive hdfhsd

[uneven turret]

overall they are happy and content but it doesn't mean there's zero strife or suffering either

[tired marlin]

but yeah i do agree i wish they had more consequences

[tired marlin]

yep

[scarlet river]

ventis just an awful ruler overall , hes just
but ig mondstadt is the city of freedom and if they were being ruled over by a god , then it wouldnt really be freedom

[tired marlin]

• also the adventurers in mond are terrible

[fluid palm]

no dw it's fine lmfao

[uneven turret]

venti knows he is an awful ruler which is exactly why he created the four winds lol

[scarlet river]

hence dvalin quest
'if freedom is demanded of you by a god then its no freedom at all'

[tired marlin]

there’s a few outliers like that dude who invented wind gliders but still

is he an awful ruler? yes he is
he’d be more awful of a ruler if he did rule, though

[scarlet river]

yea

[fluid palm]

oh yeah definitely

[summer cradle]

yeah there are a lot of things to criticize about mihoyo's writing but venti as a character was handled very very well imo. he makes sense, and people's views of him make sense, and the consequences of his actions make sense

[tired marlin]

if he did rule then they’d depend on him, if he dies then what? they’d be scared to do thigns because they’ll be scared of pissing him of or doing it the wrong way, hence no freedom from intrusive thoughts or freedom to do anything themselves

[summer cradle]

and his backstory is a tearjerker but not in a forced way

[snow lion]

??? ruling does not mean you are a tyrant though lol

[tired marlin]

his ideal of freedom has hella consequences

[tired marlin]

it’s selfish in the way that he does it so he can keep the memory of the bard friend (and probably from what he’s seen of decarabian’s era and how the people reacted)

[uneven turret]

venti is a classic chaotic good character who became a ruler

[tired marlin]

i’m aware, but look at the people in liyue “if you do that rex lapis will know”

[summer cradle]

yeah, and I think they tried to do something similar with Ei and her dead sister. but the waifu quest ruined that

[uneven turret]

about chaotic good rulers: “competing interests in being a free spirit that wants to do good in the world, and their general disdain for the authority and control over people's lives that they would be wielding to try to do that good. they excel in toppling corrupt regimes, but are often terrible with power and responsibility themselves. a chaotic good character who does end up in a position of power is very likely to either abandon their authority altogether or to delegate power to a trusted friend or chancellor of some kind."

that is literally describing venti lmao

[summer cradle]

wow yeah no kidding

[tired marlin]

but its selfless in how the people have freedom to do everything they want

selfish selflessness?

selfless selfishness? idk man

[tired marlin]

this probably

[tired marlin]

LMAOOO this is so accurate

[tired marlin]

unfortunately

[summer cradle]

I think he primarily acts this way because that's what his friend wanted. his friend fought and died for freedom, and venti carries on his will

[tired marlin]

im glad we all came to the conclusion that venti’s an ass ruler but would be even more of an ass ruler if he did rule LMAOO

[fluid palm]

THING IS
i think i just hate how much the game didn't put any emphasis on the flaws of singular ideal up until ei

like it acknowledges them, but never shows the pure awful sides, which are present, just as i said, not really "shown"
having ei take her ideal of "eternity" in a lot less serious of a way by the end of chapter 2 makes me think that she has the capacity to become a better archon than barbatos and morax have ever been

[tired marlin]

which is why i wonder what he would’ve looked like if nameless bard lived and what his ideal would be

[summer cradle]

yeah, me too

[snow lion]

he would be ass because he lacks the ability to rule lmao. hence why the responsibility falls under someone like Jean/Varka to actually assume some kind of formal rule over Mondstadt.

[uneven turret]

yeah he delegates responsibility to people he trusts it seems like

[tired marlin]

i agree with your first point, i kinda disagree about the point about ei tho

[snow lion]

They just are not gods who preside over mondstadt, but they are still effectively rulers. They bear the responsibility of the nation.

[summer cradle]

I mean the whole premise of inazuma was "war lockdown people scared", and it's the first nation with that premise

[tired marlin]

mhm

[tired marlin]

yep

[snow lion]

venti does not delegate the responsibility, the people delegated it.

[summer cradle]

so it's inevitable that we'd see ei's flaws more clearly there

[tired marlin]

having said that, was the travel ban ever lifted?

[summer cradle]

nope

ei is still thinking about it

[tired marlin]

what happened to the people in ritou? are they still being blackmailed by the kanjou commission

bruh moment

[summer cradle]

probably!

[snow lion]

venti does literally fuck all in terms of ruling or even being part of that process. He occasionally helps out in crises, but he does not rule in any capacity.

[fluid palm]

no i mean, venti and zhongli take their ideals a bit too seriously, and so did ei
however, ei taking her ideal seriously is the first time it's seen as a terrible thing, when venti and zhongli are also flawed due to this

[tired marlin]

yeah, but still if the people chose an ass ruler he’d step in (aristocracy era)

[tired marlin]

oooo i see

[uneven turret]

what do you mean? venti chose the 4 winds, except for the lion of the south which i believe is traditionally chosen by the people or whoever the previous lion was

[summer cradle]

I don't think Ei taking her ideal seriously was framed as an entirely terrible thing. after all, she could be preventing inazuma from getting decimated by celestia for advancing too much

[tired marlin]

i wonder if they’ll ever show what happens to the travel ban decee

[fluid palm]

im glad i made myself clear, you dont have to agree, just wanted to have the thing i said make more sense lmfao

[tired marlin]

yeah no worries! i was a bit confused ehe

[summer cradle]

the difference between ei and zhongli/venti is that the consequences of her actions are happening now in the story, whereas venti and zhongli's very bad consequences happened long ago

[tired marlin]

since the people of mond seem to be wired to like freedom even 2600 years ago it doesnt seem to be a bad thing but ei seemingly acted this eternity thing a few hundred years ago

[summer cradle]

e.g. when mondstadt was ruled by tyrants like in the comic

[fluid palm]

okay a lot less of a controversial topic now,
everything other than ei and yae's storyline was done kinda mid in act 3

we can all agree on that, right?

[tired marlin]

• like what diluc says, “knights of favonius, inefficient as always” the mf knights of the country, the police force are inefficient and drink a lot because yuhh freedom

[tired marlin]

agreed

[fluid palm]

they diD KOKOMI AND GOROU SO DIRTY
they just kinda forgot they were there

[summer cradle]

yep #justiceforkokomi

[tired marlin]

lionfang knight is always either grandmaster or acting grandmaster i guess

[uneven turret]

i love gorou's design and they wasted it i barely saw him

[summer cradle]

I guess mihoyo can't exactly write a genius tactician properly when they aren't geniuses themselves

[uneven turret]

[tired marlin]

i think if you have boreal knight title you cant be dandelion/lionfang knight

[snow lion]

If by mid you genuinely mean like... kinda average, then yes. I do not agree that it was done badly though. I think there are pretty obvious flaws that could've been fixed, but overall it was still fine.

[tired marlin]

speaking of, what is the resistance’s reaction to the vision hunt decree being lifted?

[summer cradle]

oh wait we forgot, kazuha's story resolution was really good too

[fluid palm]

kazuha as well imo, like the whole sequence where raiden nearly killed traveler and kazuha's friend's vision activated had like, 0 impact in the long run

[tired marlin]

would they just.. be content? didnt their families and friendsdie or something

did they never show that?

[snow lion]

We will probably get some of that when we get kokomi character quest I imagine.

[summer cradle]

it was a really good conclusion to his story arc though

imo

[snow lion]

seeing the aftermath of the war and resolving it is probably going to be a good chunk of that.

[fluid palm]

the arc that he...kinda didn't even have

[uneven turret]

i think a big problem is we don't really spend time with the characters so i just don't care about them as much. it's a big issue when people care more about teppei the npc than they do about the actual playable characters lol

[snow lion]

I don't think that's a problem because that was the intention.

[tired marlin]

i felt bitter how kazuha’s friend’s vision activated purely to save us then it disappeared and it felt like he didnt do anything, it activating was well done but still

[summer cradle]

umm, the quest with the fighting tournament? him trying to reignite the vision?

[uneven turret]

its a problem for me whether it was intended or not

[summer cradle]

I guess I'm biased because I also have him and know all his voicelines and lore

[tired marlin]

im glad he had some sort of conclusion though

[snow lion]

Like it was very clearly what they were trying to do, was to make you connect more with Teppei, to create an emotional moment when he eventually died. Because Kokomi wasn't dying, Kazuha wasn't dying, Gorou wasn't dying etc.

[fluid palm]

and he reignited the vision by...reigniting the vision

idk imo kazuha should've had a mandatory story quest like ayaka and yoimiya where they fleshed his character out more

[tired marlin]

i thought he’d have a bigger role honestly

[summer cradle]

I think it was very poetic. his friend realized his dream of withstanding the shogun's blade

[summer cradle]

it was the will of his friend coming to life again for a short time

[uneven turret]

like i said imagine mondstadt but instead of making friends with amber and meeting venti and spending time with him and becoming friends with him, we spent the majority of time with an npc who ends up dead at the end

[tired marlin]

mhm!

[uneven turret]

it would suck

[tired marlin]

THIS i need a kazuha story quest

what about his family mihoyo?

[snow lion]

Mondstadt wasn't trying to be tragic though.

[summer cradle]

but I totally agree kazuha needs a story quest

[tired marlin]

his family that fell out of nobility?

also do garyuu arts have some connection to kazuha’s normal attack garyuu swordsmanship?

[summer cradle]

yeah also most of what we know about him is about his friend

so it's less of a kazuha story arc and more of a tomo story arc oop

[tired marlin]

i’ve been asking mihoyo in the surveys to do one

yeah :(

[fluid palm]

for me kazuha was like
"he doesn't know how to reignite his friend's vision and he also rebels against the shogun"
"oh he went head to head with the shogun and that's when it reactivated....yeah"
should've been more to him smh

[snow lion]

This part of the story was to make the traveller actually feel anger because someone they actually cared about died, which presumably is exactly what scaramouche intended, since he said something about something feeding off anger. Idk why you would compare this to mondstadt when the goals are different.

[tired marlin]

like, what happened? how’d they get into debt from a glorious clan? why do none of the clans mention his?

[summer cradle]

I guess you need to take into consideration the context behind his friend's death

because his friend died to witness the shogun's sword art. that was his greatest ambition

[tired marlin]

im assuming crystal marrow is archon residue because it’s from orobashi’s corpse, and in the manga collei had a distorted worldview and when she became angry the archon residue she was experimented with became stronger hence why she could use her powers

[summer cradle]

the reignition was not from kazuha himself, but rather from the embers of his friend's will coming to life, like the visions in the second phase of the battle

[snow lion]

We'll get more on this, because it's tied to how visions work in general. It reacted because in that moment, Kazuha's ambition aligned with his friend's ambition, so it lit up. Which is also why all the statue visions lit up, because they all shared the same ambition.

[tired marlin]

and archon resiude is basically dead gods

[snow lion]

but it was a good moment.

I liked it a lot.

[tired marlin]

and most gods other than the ones in mond are vengeful hence why the yakhsas exist

[summer cradle]

oo yeah that's a good explanation

[fluid palm]

GOOD ASS POINT ACTUALLY

i like that now

[tired marlin]

about the statue, what the hell was it even for?

[snow lion]

it gave us the power to beat Ei

[tired marlin]

no i mean what the hell was ei doing with it

[fluid palm]

to have the shogun seem more conveniently evil, by hanging them as rewards

[summer cradle]

oh right!!!! one thing I'm very confused about still: why did the vision hunt decree start after all?

[uneven turret]

bc ei thinks taking away peoples ambitions is protecting them

[tired marlin]

visions are a threat to eternity i guess

[uneven turret]

she's a yandere

[summer cradle]

why only now, 1 year ago?

[tired marlin]

nasdhd

[summer cradle]

she has been ruling for centuries

[snow lion]

Oh. Idk. I'm going to go through the whole quest again and see, I think it's a bit nuanced, but also was definitely given more importance in the early parts of Inazuma than it actually had.

[summer cradle]

what triggered it?

[tired marlin]

yeah it kinda seems purely there for a power boost shdhshd

[weary oriole]

yeah Ei thinks people would be more safer without Visions

[summer cradle]

that was never actually explained, I think

[snow lion]

The Fatui baiting her into doing it somehow.

[tired marlin]

true

[tired marlin]

which is pretty damn weird

[fluid palm]

it was ei's fear of ambitions putting people in danger, thus making them less "eternal"
another thing the game didn't put enough emphasis on

[tired marlin]

she knows but doesnt care

mmm

[summer cradle]

but we hear that the raiden shogun was never actually informed about the fatui. the fatui were only colluding with the commissioms

[summer cradle]

but why only 1 year ago?

[uneven turret]

i'm telling you ei is like one of those yandere guys in VNs who is afraid his gf is going to die so he locks her in a cage for her own protection

[tired marlin]

apparently she knew i guess

[weary oriole]

actually Raiden knows, she said

[summer cradle]

ei knew, but the raiden shogun didn't

[tired marlin]

pls 😭😭

[tired marlin]

how the hell did ei know in the first place is what im thinking about

[summer cradle]

me too lol

[tired marlin]

if raiden doesn’t, ei how?

[summer cradle]

omnipresence?

being a god?

[tired marlin]

is she just omnipresent?

yeah

“omnipresence over mortals” lmao

[fluid palm]

cause that's when the fatui decided to start making up the plot to steal inazuma's gnosis
they manipulated the system to give ei and the shogun the idea of the vision hunt decree, thus igniting the thing that happened one year ago

[snow lion]

From what I gathered, it was that the Fatui asked the Kujou Clan/Tenryou Commission to enforce the vision hunt decree, and in exchange they'd give them... stuff. the clan head was like "lol yeah okay, you can't stop the shogun anyway" (which was kinda true considering if they got in the way of the shogun, they'd be eviscerated like signora was), and the Raiden Shogun didn't view this as a threat to Eternity, so it was allowed.

[summer cradle]

oh, the fatui started a year ago?

how exactly did they manipulate the system though?

[tired marlin]

money

bribery

[fluid palm]

the thing with the kujou clan idk

[tired marlin]

classic politicians

[snow lion]

was it just money?

[tired marlin]

probably protection too

[snow lion]

[summer cradle]

but like. the raiden shogun, not ei, was the one who ordered the decree

[tired marlin]

the clan said other clans were out to get them

paranoia?

[summer cradle]

because ei is trapped in her world

[tired marlin]

somehow ei knows all i guess

[summer cradle]

but from the kujou clan dealings, we know that raiden was never informed about the fatui

so how would they manipulate the raiden shogun to instate the decree?

[tired marlin]

also does she fr command the lightning in the islands? is taht how she knows lmao

[tired marlin]

(ei)

[snow lion]

the fatui manipulated the kujo clan who "manipulated" the shogun

[summer cradle]

lol maybe

[tired marlin]

wait huh

also ayaka was in the poster thingy for2.1 and she barely played a role in 2.1

[summer cradle]

so the kujou clan manipulated the raiden shogun, a puppet with very strict ideals? how exactly did they manage that? I'm very curious

[fluid palm]

the shogun is a robot on autopilot
she fears the limited more than ei does since she is less human
thus ambitions lead to higher chance of death, thus getting rid of eternity yaddy yaddy yadda fatui manipulate the kujou clan to give the shogun the idea, ei agrees with it, vision hunt decree

[summer cradle]

but like didn't the kujou leader just say he only omitted consequences of the decree? not anything about starting it. he implied that it was the raiden shogun who started it

[tired marlin]

this thing

kokomi too kekw

[snow lion]

I wonder what the Fatui plan was if Yae didn't just straight up give the Gnosis to Scara to save us. I feel like, this is the one time our intervention helped the Fatui. 'cause I do not think they actually could've succeeded in getting the Gnosis with what they were doing. Inazuma would've been a lot more fucked up due to the war lasting longer when it's entirely a manufactured one, but how would they have ever got the Gnosis?

[summer cradle]

the whole sequence of events was very confusing

[summer cradle]

exactly!! I made this point earlier too

[fluid palm]

something with signora most likely

[tired marlin]

true

signora tried to reach out for the gnosis as she died

speaking og

wtf were her and ei doing before we entered

[summer cradle]

good question o.o

how did signora get an audience with her

[tired marlin]

n why did kujou sara just 🧎‍♂️ (theres no laying down emoji)

[fluid palm]

easy, sara went to talk to raiden about the fatui, signora was there the whole time behind the scenes, she learned about it, got there, beat the shit out of sara, and then her and the shogun were arguing before we got there

[summer cradle]

oh yeah is Sara still there lmao

[summer cradle]

oh that makes sense yeah

[tired marlin]

damn sara mustve been fast as hell or we were slow as hell

[snow lion]

oh did he? Idk then. I think what's clear is that somehow the Fatui were involved, but if it wasn't through the Kujou clan, it must've been directly? If Signora could get an audience with Raiden, then there must've been a relevant enough connection between them to allow it.

[summer cradle]

she did have enough time to knock out all the guards without us even witnessing it

[tired marlin]

she just summoned oz i guess

[summer cradle]

I think the signora thing is likely what @fluid palm described

[tired marlin]

OZ! REVEAL THYSELF

[summer cradle]

so the vision hunt decree origins are still very sketchy and unclear

[tired marlin]

i guess foreigners are still cucked by the kanjou clan

[summer cradle]

I can understand the sakoku decree being a reaction to the fatui being sus though

[fluid palm]

okay can i mention something
i fucking ADORE the idea of the fatui manipulating shit behind the scenes
makes them seem less "saturday morning cartoon villain" and more "intelligent and destructive force"

[snow lion]

No I mean in general. Like, there must've been a pre-established relationship with Signora and Raiden for Signora to be allowed in. Since people without permission wouldn't be allowed to enter. and we know that Raiden could've easily stopped Signora from entering if she wanted to.

[tired marlin]

yesss

[tired marlin]

agreed

[summer cradle]

ah, fair enough

maybe she just barged in while raiden and Sara were talking?

since the guards were knocked out

[fluid palm]

she's most likely the one who beat the shit out of the guards outside of the building

[tired marlin]

didnt the girl who try to scam us say there was an arrogant sounding woman earlier? wait true

[summer cradle]

oh wait nvm I think signora was there before sara

[tired marlin]

probs

[fluid palm]

and that's how she got in

[summer cradle]

yeah makes sense

[tired marlin]

damn

[summer cradle]

so signora beat up the guards

why at that particular moment though? what a coincidence

[tired marlin]

if signora defeated sara who defeated kazuha’s friend, he mustve been weak shfsfb

[snow lion]

yeah, it's implied that Signora was talking to the Kanryou Commission head. and I guess Scaramouche went to the Tenryou Commission. Since both of them were corrupt.

[summer cradle]

why did signora seek an audience with the raiden shogun right then?

[fluid palm]

plot convenience, mihoyo loves those

[summer cradle]

[tired marlin]

it does seem like inazuma’s vision holders arent as adept at using it as liyue or mond’s

[summer cradle]

what was signora even hoping to do, barging in like that?

maybe she was already becoming unhinged and unstable both mentally and power-wise

due to the strain of the delusion she uses constantly

[tired marlin]

with the few exceptions being those related to the noble clan (ayaka, ayato, maybe sayu?)

[fluid palm]

the dude likely wasn't even trying
he wanted to be the spark to make some people in inazuma rebel

[summer cradle]

to suppress her fire power

[tired marlin]

and yoimiya i guess fireworks go boom

[tired marlin]

oo maybe

[summer cradle]

I don't think he had such complicated motives. he just wanted to experience the ultimate sword form

[fluid palm]

that just seems rather selfish, likely not what mhy were going for imo

[summer cradle]

at least, kazuha tells it like that

I mean mihoyo has written plenty of selfish characters

and they certainly present his character with that motive

[snow lion]

yeah, he is presented as pretty single minded.

[fluid palm]

literally venti's character is based around selfishness

[summer cradle]

so even if his true motive is different, they presented the motive I described

yeah exactly, so kazuha's friend's motive makes perfect sense

[fluid palm]

act 3 has me so fucking conflicted

like it has some things that imo are done perfectly

[fresh lodge]

can I discuss world quests here

[fluid palm]

yeah go ahead

[fresh lodge]

ok then

LET'S GOOOO GAMERS THE ENTIRE IWAKURA CLAN HAS BEEN DESTROYED

[fluid palm]

wait huh

which wq is that

[fresh lodge]

it's a sort of secret one

where you have to beat up a bunch of Iwakura Clan members

essentially Vagrants, Nobushis, and Kairagis with fancy boss names

it doesn't actually have a name/not considered an actual quest but I consider it a world quest

[fluid palm]

is it 2.0 or 2.1?

[fresh lodge]

2.0

[fluid palm]

ohhhh wait

wait was that the one with the samurai that forgot to name himself?

[fresh lodge]

no no

Masanori is a different world quest

The Iwakura one isn't actually a wq but I consider it as one

[fluid palm]

huh

neat

[tired marlin]

albedo’s voiceline for treasure is “though it’s not gold, it certainly glitters”

foreshadowing??? /hj

also do you guys think mond would be frozen over if venti didnt control the weather?

venti’s pretty smart honestly, he led durin to dragonspine so the poision wouldn’t go anywhere. i wonder what dragonspine was called before durin happened

[fluid palm]

"big mountain"

[blazing raft]

aww

[tired marlin]

i love that

“so many people died attempting to climb that big mountain”
“big mountain?”
“you know, big mountain”
“i see.”

[fluid palm]

chasm's name is already minimal enough

OKAY why did they have to make the thunder manifestation so fucking annoying to fight

[final oracle]

I thought the number of the harbingers are determined when they joined?

[bitter bear]

i'm battling signora rn and i'm nervous af

[tired marlin]

yes

[tired marlin]

you can do it! i believe in tou

for the second phase get her health in quarters and then use the hydro thingy to reset red bar

dude i just accidentally clicked coop, then crashed, logged back in to see people, just winged it and entered the domain, only to crash again

lovely

i feel terrible for those people

man

[final oracle]

So by superior, just the number?

referring to what Yae referred to Scara and Signora

[tired marlin]

i think he actually is superior in strength

since he’s a prototype

his power was sealed but then unsealed by dottore

[nocturne blade]

ei should've been the one to start the decree, and not the fatui manipulating the shogun to start it tbh

[burnt storm]

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow signora becomes alive in later archon quests

[molten lake]

if signora gonna be revived it has to be on sumeru

[shrewd reef]

If most of those fatui enemies has told me anything, it's mostly the fact that they all have grey hair

[final oracle]

Man I thought Mihoyo was going to pull a black screen of Signora dying, but wow they really showed it

all I knew is that black screen with Signora... was slain

I'm amazed with the archon quest

[placid wedge]

I just realized since kazuha is able to parry mosou no, wouldn't it technically means that a human can really go up against a god with enough ambition and ability.. I'm just happy too since it feels like his friend wish came true of going against the ultimate technique when he used his electro vision to parry it

[weary oriole]

i can't believe Tomo is dead
</3

[fluid palm]

imo it isn't as much of a "human can go up against a god" situation as much as it is an "add a cool moment for kazuha since we kinda forgot about him lol" situation

[hasty nymph]

This is not talked about much but the bosses in this update are phenomenal

Loved fighting them

Signora even got that ds vibe as well, which im a sucker for

[weary oriole]

Plot twist yaoyao is lesser lord kusanali

[simple breach]

[icy barn]

Poor Signora

Getting jumped by two Archons.

[tired marlin]

meanwhile venti's just chilling watching his friends killing his former citizen

[fiery slate]

Venti doesn't give a shit

Unless Signora bribed him with apple cider

https://tenor.com/view/kazuha-kaedehara-kazuha-genshin-impact-chibi-inazuma-gif-22088050

[tired marlin]

why is that gif so sad

[remote cloak]

Hiya

Where are my fellow childe simps at

[gloomy spruce]

asking a discount from hutao

[final oracle]

look at the best pair

[night wedge]

Two girlbosses in one place

[remote cloak]

My 2 least favorite female in genshin

Both need to sit down

[remote cloak]

Fr

Add Xinyan to top it up. The ultimate trio of the most unpleasant character IG

[blazing raft]

I actually think this has some credit

[weary oriole]

Itd be so cool if she was

inazuma: in a deadly civil war
baal and yae:

[tame ocean]

have i found all the electroculus or do i miss 1-2?

[scarlet dove]

how did this happen

[scarlet dove]

xinyan aint even do nun

except be gorgeous and fun

[short barn]

I think u miss 1.. cuz im at lvl 9 statue too but i have 1 extra electroculus

[tame ocean]

thx, thought so

[icy barn]

Somebody's game glitched lol

https://twitter.com/ganyumyloveee/status/1433049186748952581?s=19

rin 🛐 (@ganyumyloveee)

// GENSHIN SPOILERS //

KAKDOSODOOFFO DEAR GOD HELP ME IT LOGGED ME OUT AFTER I BEAT SIGNORA BUT THE CUTSCENE DIDNT CUT WHEN I LOGGED BACK IN AND HE WAS JUST STANDING THERE BETWEEN THEM LIKE THAT I WAS SO CONFUSED 😭😭😭😭😭

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[void kettle]

BRUH

Zhongli be like "ya get what ya fuckin deserved bitch"

I didn't even use his shield during the rematch against Baal

[tired marlin]

LMAOOO thats amazing

[final oracle]

oh wrong channel

[remote cloak]

She has the most annoying voice and game play of the game

[scarlet dove]

her voice isnt annoying however her kit does suck

[remote cloak]

It does !

I am thankful I got her c5, soon c6,

And I'll get my wish refunded

Cause so far each constellation is a waste of a pull

[zenith grove]

@final oracle I'm waiting for the "spoiler"

[frosty slate]

[final oracle]

yes spoiler

idk since its available after the archon quest so I just posted it here

[tame ocean]

i was fooling around and after i got the image i realized the 1 electroculus i missed was there

[tired marlin]

here ya go genshin lore

[tired marlin]

lmaoo

[fresh stratus]

Oh

[kindred moat]

what scaramouche is a fatui? wuuut

[final oracle]

Kujou Masahito still talking about the war

[final oracle]

wdym? he's always a fatui harbinger

unless you didn't experience unreconcile stars

[wanton wing]

hes the fart king

[kindred moat]

yeah i didnt haha came in around zhongli rerun

[final oracle]

oh

now u know

[fresh stratus]

i thought everyone knew he was a fatui

o

ye

[wanton wing]

idk how u wouldnt know he is one lol

[fresh stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/scaramouche-scaramouche-genshin-scaramouche-genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-gif-19352972

hes also very mean :((( bullied me :((

[final oracle]

did this happen to those who didnt meet him before?

[wanton wing]

ppl simped for him cus hes evil and hot

[fresh stratus]

nah unconciled

[wanton wing]

https://tenor.com/view/scaramouche-baka-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-baka-gif-21544747

[final oracle]

oh so just unreconciled

[fresh stratus]

ye

[final oracle]

sucks

[fresh stratus]

ye x2

[kindred moat]

i just got this in the quest

the words