・genshin-spoilers

[slender haven]

So this could be the same

[golden sluice]

it was, I remember someone showing us Capitano off camera and he still had the mask on

[slender haven]

Yeah but that was off screen

[golden sluice]

yeah I mean

the mask will likely stay on

at least for Roland

[gray raven]

you have to listen to this

[cedar juniper]

Go ahead gng

[slender haven]

Sure

[gray raven]

guys do it

[long crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ITkkc6enW8

lmao

get mogged by venti

[gray raven]

https://youtu.be/erM54Y5QjjI?si=iMYm-ux7LdH0TWB3

Can this be permanent

[golden sluice]

@cedar juniper https://x.com/Roxas_Kinnie/status/2015926024614146155?s=20

Frost 🍉※ (@Roxas_Kinnie)

And i'm still getting that R1 Varka

X · Jan 26, 2026, 11:13 PM

how accurate is this

[slender haven]

LET'S FUCKING GO

It'll probably be a flashback but still

[cedar juniper]

Might be a tiny bit inflated but yeah looks about right

His sig is a massive increase

Not because the weapon itself is broken or anything

Its just his 4* options suck ass

[golden sluice]

isn't that the same amount for NK units pre Columbina?

[cedar juniper]

Yeah but thats nodkrai carries with craftable weps

This is varka r1

[golden sluice]

ok if they're all R1 and pre Columbina are they better than that

[cedar juniper]

Yea

[golden sluice]

🥀

[golden sluice]

bruh Roland's blond too

[cedar juniper]

He's german what did you expect

[long crest]

this is koitar yeah?

[cedar juniper]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

fair

did bro genuinely join just to say this

[cedar juniper]

Who to goon to ahh question

[golden sluice]

how so

[cedar juniper]

Boring ahh good guy thrain , thats why scara is the goat

[golden sluice]

what was it again

[cedar juniper]

To the people of khaenriah and in natlan he is

Scara is an asshole to everyone

[golden sluice]

they will never address Capitano's role in the Fatui

he'll just be the good guy and never did nothing wrong

[cedar juniper]

Was he one of the pillars

Ig he could be

[golden sluice]

no

they said equal

to them

not one of them

[cedar juniper]

Who were the confirmed pillars

Hrop

Rhine?

[golden sluice]

Ved

not Rhine

[cedar juniper]

Oh yeah ved

[golden sluice]

yes

[cedar juniper]

Dain is the twilight sword

[golden sluice]

well wait im not sure about Ved

but im certain Rhine wasn't

if he hates on Dottore like the others im genuinely crashing out, that's YOUR number two bro

[cedar juniper]

She talks to hrop about it like "oh look at you principal of the universitas and one of the four pillars fuck you " yeah

[golden sluice]

yeah

brb lemme look at the wiki rq

[cedar juniper]

We genuinely need more inazuma content i genuinely forgot about the shuumatsuban 💔

[golden sluice]

neither does Sandrone tbh

[golden sluice]

I lowkenuinely didn't know they existed until one day I saw someone talking about them

[cedar juniper]

7 trailers where sandrone is like "the frostmoon scions? Dont let them interrupt" and all we got was a little quarrel

[golden sluice]

all that speech about colonizing and dominion of the Fatui and a patch later they act like nothing happened

well Lauma was still uncomfortable about the Fatui but

[cedar juniper]

The only time inazumans appear in anything its either about some whack ahh youkai or waifubait

[golden sluice]

5.4 never happened

[long crest]

tbf, sandrone and arle are having 2nd thoughts

arle was straight up rdy to go against tsaritsa's orders over it
and sandrone DID

[cedar juniper]

I just love how we always build upto something only to do something completely different

[golden sluice]

because of her gf bruh

[long crest]

sandrone is barely fatui now

[golden sluice]

unreliable narrator gets used so much until it becomes the character is just a moron

[cedar juniper]

SAMPO?? HSR SAMPO????

[long crest]

shampoo

[golden sluice]

and the funny is still unknown

im talking about the sampo mill

[cedar juniper]

Wtf is it actually called "the funny" the hell is this quest

Oh 😭

[golden sluice]

why did he want to let the abyss in again

[cedar juniper]

Another tuesday evening activities

[golden sluice]

now THAT'S a sinner

[cedar juniper]

King irminsul is thay you

I mean guys cmon is abyss really a bad thing

Look at the sinners they got a huge glow up

Why cant we all just be cool with the abyss

And we can all have goated dark magic powers

[golden sluice]

he's hoyo's ghost writer

[cedar juniper]

Ved vs elio who'd win

Unfortunately i think elio is cooler 😔✌️

I want this FRAUDologis bumahh dead bro can this mf perish already

[golden sluice]

why

what did Surtalogi did to you

[cedar juniper]

He thinks he's all that but bro has NO confirmed feats outside of moving through the firmament

I didnt see it

Everyones just gassing him up

[golden sluice]

bro trusts only what he sees

[cedar juniper]

Look at oh captain my captain ppl gassed him up too

My honest reaction if i became a boy

(i am a boy)

[golden sluice]

you're a guy

Capitano's strongest feat is that he convinced everyone he's very honorable and a good guy despite being the first Fatui harbinger

mass hallucination

[cedar juniper]

Yeah he made me realise i wasn't gaslighting to my full potential

[golden sluice]

huh how

[cedar juniper]

Man fuck i started this anime thinking it finished airing but apparently not so now im chained to thisshit for weeks on end

[golden sluice]

brother 💀

[gray raven]

her hair is pink though

also i wonder if linnea's buddy holds her true form

or is that only exclusive to flins

[cedar juniper]

Kill this mf

[modern bluff]

Lol

Anyways

[slender haven]

He is

Dumb ass idiot
Literally only Rerir was in on that

[modern bluff]

?

[slender haven]

Dain had no idea and he was the head of royal guard

[golden sluice]

actually while I do think Capitano isn't the good person everyone says he is

isn't the fact he's considered a hero

might point to him being Anfortas?

[slender haven]

He beat up Surtalogi before he could burn down every orphanage in Khaenri'ah

[slender haven]

Yes
He is Anfortas
Definitely

[golden sluice]

Anfortas was described to be a hero after the cataclysm after all

[slender haven]

Also one of his knights was called "sentinel of the golden hall"
Cap was THE "Sentinel Knight"

Do you think the president's bodyguards have access to nuclear launch codes?

You mean the people who can't die?

Anfortas

Only Hroptatyr and Vedrfolnir were in Irmin's circle

Or so we think

People could take in different names at different points in their lives

[golden sluice]

Khaenrians can't die remember

[slender haven]

Capitano didn't

The Sumeru desert IS right next to Natlan

No he didn't use that
He only used it for the souls

Yes

Irmin only went crazy post Abyss

[modern bluff]

we dont know enough how sane he was

if when he met the sibling and started ordering rerir to kill crimson moon descendents

[slender haven]

Irmin's great great great great great grandaddy did that

[golden sluice]

which khaenrian went insane because of the immortality curse?

[slender haven]

Most of them
Anfortas' fate is never confirmed

[golden sluice]

damn what happened to them after going insane

[slender haven]

They just sulk around ruins and stuff

[golden sluice]

rip

[slender haven]

Only against people who were actually planning coups and conspiracies

The Crimson Moon descendants worship the Abyss corpse of a dead god
Fuck those guys

[golden sluice]

fuck any mf in teyvat who worship gods

[slender haven]

No it was outlawed

[slender haven]

Only Nibelung deserves worship
He's the goat

We don't know when it happened though

Also

Capitano is the only good guy

No he didn't

[golden sluice]

nah not even Nibelung

[slender haven]

No it's a thing that happens in stories

[golden sluice]

admiration

not worship

[slender haven]

Remus was cool at least

He didn't like it
He was too sleepy to notice and when he did he blew up the empire

Only for Egeria to bootlick Phanes when he was gone
Tragic

Egeria is a true boomer
Ignore all the bad things happening and let your descendants deal with it

[modern bluff]

THE FUCK

oh my god bro is coming back at the end of nod krai im calling it rn

hes gonna be in the summer quest yep yep

[slender haven]

Yes he will

[modern bluff]

hell be fine well figure it out

[slender haven]

He won't be rotten anymore

[modern bluff]

give him a nice beach bod

[slender haven]

He'll be purified

In a perfect body
Even more perfect than before

He'll keep the mask

Ngl he gave off Godwyn vibes back when he was young
Fair yet fierce warrior
Varka is the hairy one

Capitano is the one with the long and flowing locks

[modern bluff]

ok who should get chest hair

varka or cap

(the correct answer is both btw)

[slender haven]

Pierro too

[modern bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

his man tits make up for it anyway

[slender haven]

He was the The Strongest

[modern bluff]

its funny i saw a post on twitter put rerirs sinner and past forms together overlayed

and theres virtually no change aside from clothes

his chest didnt get bigger

its just like that

[slender haven]

Bitch ass lost to Haden

Fraudlogi

[modern bluff]

tholindis was on some good shit bruh

YEA

GODDAMN

[slender haven]

Surtalogi when you tell him to get actual feats and not statements

[modern bluff]

i think surtalogi is a fraud in his civilization destroying era bc no way were the stars he destroyed remotely on the same level as teyvat

right

[slender haven]

How Surtalogi was looking afterwards

[modern bluff]

they couldnt have been that technologically advanced

[slender haven]

An Archon had to use dirty tricks just to get close to beating him

After the Abyss powers

[slender haven]

Teyvat is canonically built different

[modern bluff]

starting to think so at this rate

[slender haven]

Surtalogi fled from Teyvat because Capitano coughed in his direction

Had to threaten the souls in Capitano's heart because she couldn't beat him directly

[modern bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/rerir-rerir-genshin-rerir-genshin-impact-racher-of-solnari-genshin-impact-gif-898484552192586205

[slender haven]

Mavuika was trying to burn them alive

Traumatized war veterans

Mavuika thankfully has never fought in a real battle so she doesn't have PTSD
Tenoch did everything for her

Tenoch did it for her

No she fled into the flames and let Natlan take care of it all

She never fought in a single battle

Thrain was doing everything at that point

By threatening war veterans

She was shitting herself after that

She's a pathetic coward

Wrong
Capitano could have summoned his sword back and stabbed Mavuika instantly and killed her

Dottore's newest experiment

Dottore's life story

Potential burning

Potentially

After he pissed himself from Nahida's threats

Nahida practically gave those things for free

Seriously, Tartaglia's left foot could have gotten those gnoses

That's what she did for Zandih

Everyone and their mother knows about the fake sky

Dottore legit got a gnosis for teaching her 2 + 2

[golden sluice]

that's a good thing

it just shows how idiotic the god of wisdom really is

[slender haven]

Sealed away in a tube for 500 years

[golden sluice]

he basically got a gnosis for information that you can find in history books

[slender haven]

Azar's fault
The only one more fraudulent than Zandih

[golden sluice]

how's Dottore fraudulent

[slender haven]

Potential man

Aura farmed in Nod-Krai before being incapable of stopping Wanderer (sixth harbinger level)

[modern bluff]

we gotta talk about the real fraud

hint hes ur pfp

🥀

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

[modern bluff]

I HATE TO SAY IT

BUT LIKE

HE COULDVE DONE SO MUCH MORE

[slender haven]

He pulled down a moon

[modern bluff]

WHY TF NEFER FIGHTING A SINNER AND A FALSE GOD

i get

if he couldnt fight rerir

he couldve fought dottore tho

[slender haven]

He cracked Nicole

[modern bluff]

goddamn angels

[slender haven]

He'll fight Roland

[modern bluff]

i love varcole but varka u need to lock the FUCK in

his fight with roland better be fucking legendary and beat some fraud allegations

[slender haven]

Roland confirmed Sinner level

[modern bluff]

with the fact that vedrfolnir will be here

i dont doubt his influence

roland probably roided up on abyss juice after he died

[golden sluice]

it's ok

I love him

he'll Varka all around in 6.4

[modern bluff]

i like him too

i just wanna see him do more feats

sq will give him plenty of juicy content trust

[slender haven]

He'll get buffed to do one Varkillion damage

[slender haven]

And he'll be in Acts 9 and 10

[golden sluice]

with his signature he's already apparently at the level of NK units pre Columbina

so we just need Nicole and we're good

[slender haven]

That's cause she read Dottore's mind

[modern bluff]

id be surprised if hes in the last 2 acts of NK AQ since he said he might be heading back to mond

and semi retire

[slender haven]

No

[modern bluff]

but i would love for him to be there and help

[slender haven]

Varka still wants something to do with Koitar probably

[modern bluff]

if koitar is gonna be relevant to msq

💔

we only get big mention of her in amsvartnir in some short wq

and she just sings and laments

plus the fact the favonius camp is literally next to it ok man have you looked at ur surroundings for a sec

i feel they gotta be relevant soon

if not her

then seutervoinen

also when are we getting more saaralenien mention 🥀

did u see the latest leak

lmao

mhmmm sure

[golden sluice]

the cutscene is about Roland not Capitano btw

@slender haven

[slender haven]

I saw

Well technically the leak said they were unsure

[gray raven]

hating mavuika is so petty

[gray raven]

@ashen ocean

https://x.com/hikaaki/status/2015899721236168991?s=46

Gawatofu (@HikaAki)

@glacies_rex I can understand, but at the same time, Dottore isn't just fighting for himself, he's also fighting *against* Fatui members, so having the Fatui motif in his theme would feel like a narrative mistake IMO.

X · Jan 26, 2026, 9:28 PM

[outer kraken]

Ifl since we also get sumeru instrumentals it's not about his ideals it's just about him

The phases of his life

[surreal dome]

@ashen ocean how likely is sandrone getting revived by the witch and become hex

Cuz im confused

Because they literally making hex as a second half gimmick, but also at the same time leak are saying sandrone is the second main push

Its also suspiciously weird that sandrone is 6.7 and there is no her “supposed” dedicated support or even if her support is a 4*

Before sandrone is a bunch of hex

Is sandrone is back to back after nicole?

Should be vacant 1 no?

For a 4*

131 nicole

133 sandrone

Well unless 6.6 have 2 5*

129 should be lohen

So lohen is the 5*, since 5 star id usually come first if there is a 5 star and 4 star in 1 patch

[gray raven]

linnea is also 5*

cause lohen is standard

[surreal dome]

No leak support that

Lohen standard

Or even double 5*

But

It can be anything

[gray raven]

how many 5*s would that be in nod krai total?

[surreal dome]

7 with varka

If lohen linnea is 5*

Then 9

Rest is filled with nicole and sandrone

Total is 11

It mean that

6.8 will have no 5*

Or they just scraped that and add more 5* but less 4*

Because 1 major patch is always 17 character

Cant go more or less

Lohen cant be in nicole patch

We know his leaked id

Unless thats wrong

129

Advisor of adventure guild doesnt sound too good compared to lohen

If imma be honest

And we are in hex patch

Expecting lohen as a 5* isnt unlikely

[gray raven]

Luna IX (6.8) will be the start of snezhnaya

[slender haven]

He doesn't have the Fatui motif in his theme?
That's actually pretty good subtle story telling lol

Kills children
"Why does nobody accept me?"

Type shit

Just tortured them I guess
And if they died from it that's their problem

With knives

[gray raven]

like scara was betraying the fatui as well

but his identity was still heavily tied to the fatui

so, lang gan was the unified civilisation of liyue located in what is now the chasm?

[slender haven]

Probably just the Chasm

Since the Chasm civ migrated to Chenyu Vale and brought a JADE nail with them

Jade being frequently associated with the Moons

He hits their knee to test reflexes but he does it with a mace instead

Well the dragons made the Moons

[gray raven]

at first i thought it was maybe a part of khaenri'ah tbh

i guess the black serpent knights maybe escaped khaenri'ah and ended up in the chasm?

or were already stationed there when the cataclysm hit

[slender haven]

They're there because the weird fountain thing eases their pain

So they are naturally driven there

[gray raven]

khaenri'ah must've been pretty big tbh

with all the exits it seems to have

[distant citrus]

Maybe they'll do the totk once khanerriah arrives
An entire inverted map...

[distant citrus]

Zelda tears of kingdom
It had inverted map with 1:1 mapping with main map size
Basically the inverted map was as big as main map above (it also had sky map but that's different altogether)

[golden sluice]

bro predicted ts

another day another Kaeya fan who still thinks their main will be significant

Kaeya is not significant bro 😭

he literally has nothing

just a descendant of a Khaenriahn family

Albedo and Durin are very different

tho I think Durin won't get much anymore

Albedo tho will have more later

when Rhinedottir appears

his father gonna be an abyss order goon who sent him to infiltrate Mond or smthn

wdym done

ohhh that

i mean

doesn't contradict the possibility I said

I still doubt it very much that Kaeya has any importance

[cedar juniper]

How the fuck is kaeya even a thing anyways

Ig cursed khaenriahns aren't banned to have sex and reproduce

Idk

[golden sluice]

I'm skipping Zibai bro

I need Varka's sig

I just want Varka to be good

bro's essentially dogshit without his sig

I don't get cons

I prefer getting units

only cons I've gotten are uhhhhh

Wrio and Neuv's C1

both for ease of use and comfortability

they're just big dmg boosts

im not interested

i'd only get them if they had something like Neuv C1 or Wrio C1

yeah and a better combo

that's the ones I prefer

good thing they don't do them much anymore

[golden sluice]

peak

[rose merlin]

I will only for cons on my favouritest characters

Bina and hu tao

And then maybe on other characters if i have some saved

Some leftover primos

[golden sluice]

same maybe

Albedo

maybe the harbingers

and def Dottore when he becomes playable eventually

[rose merlin]

Idk if dottore will be playable

[golden sluice]

he will be

eventually

[gray raven]

@ashen ocean @golden sluice so

sumeru and fontaine didn't have a unified civilisation previously right?

[modern bluff]

i forgot if remuria is supposed to be unified civilizaation

or not

sumeru uhh i also forgot if it was supposed to be Gurabad

that city mentioned by funny racist lamp Liloupar

but im not too sure on that one either

[gray raven]

are we sure

what about the ruins we can access

through that book

[distant citrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/TpTPgEZMI3

Completely changes the meaning
En translation once again

Okay nvm some people are saying in comment that context is the same so it's just localization difference but meaning remains same

[cedar juniper]

Mynamefornow talks about some place called meropice or something i never heard of it but apparently it was part of the unified civ and by the name it would be within fontaine region

[cedar juniper]

Or that yeah

[cedar juniper]

Meropis was the ruined city remus came across and built remuria upon

Thats how i interpreted it

"The Philharmonic God built a great tower in Meropis, gathering the scattered to build a new nation"

Expected nothing less from brits and the french

[slender haven]

Fontaine did have one
Since Remus discovered Sybilla in an ancient civilization

[golden sluice]

I don't get it

why do people still call Varka shit when he's at the same level as NK units pre Columbina at R1?

[modern bluff]

because the dps ceiling is too damn high with lunar reactions now

excluding wheelchair team

[golden sluice]

no no, we're assuming Nicole to Varka is what Columbina is to NK units

so it's ok

[modern bluff]

Well we dont know anything about Nicole nor how much dps gain hed actually get

Even assuming thats shes the "Columbina" to his "NK unit", its probably just his numbers/multipliers dont scale well enough to NK unit levels

like laumanefer bloom

Or flins LC

[cedar juniper]

Also a big thing is nicole will be replacing bennet

And bennet is already doing a lot

[slender haven]

I also think we're most likely getting more Hexerei buffs to old characters

So he'll have a lot more variety in the future

[golden sluice]

I think it's reasonable to expect her to omega buff Hexerei units specifically to be better than bennet for them and worse for the rest

[long crest]

interesting

[golden sluice]

that I'm expecting too, specifically Rosaria and Dahlia for his hydro and cryo teams

[long crest]

playing through the quest rn and stumbled upon this:

very interesting implications for the heavenly principles and its relationship with the shades

ok zhongli || straight up glazing istaroth now ||

holy

i am being considerate

in case ppl stumble in here without having played the very very recent stuff

it also explains how the shades of PO have personalities

they all actually have human souls

or rather, they have the human soul parts of PO's total combined being

which is very possible

our original civilization were as close to gods as it gets

their tech level likely allowed for pretty much anything

sure

or well, they weren't

we still exist

who's to say there aren't millions of pioneer ships

just like ours

searching for homes like teyvat of their own

we'd be the rulers of the home we found and terraformed

the original civilization could easily have foreseen their doom

and so they sent out the pioneer ships

designed to preserve the spark of civilization

ofc

their mission isnt to establish colonies for the OG civilization

their mission is to remain alive

this is sus as hell

not abandoned
im guessing the og civ was like "oh we're literally all about to die here. take these op af ships and just fly around until you find worlds with separate fate system, then terraform and colonize them"

make copies of the OG civ's original world basically

we need an actual timeline here

if that's teyvat, the supernova that cooked teyvat's star happened alongside the birth of the twins

but

hm

who fixed the star?

do we know that

we know teyvat's current star is at least providing light rn

since we see it in skirk's trailer when shes outside the fake sky

but that means this cold, dim dwarf existed in its current state before nibelung was born

clearly the methods of the dragons were bad tho

PO's methods are far more advanced it seems

our OG civs methods

?

isnt phanes the AI?

aka our ship's AI, aka part of the OG civ

why not?

that's an assumption

if this is teyvat before nibelung

then maybe some OG dragons blew up the star?

to set the stage for nibelung

no it doesnt

it even hints at it being man made

"what a coincidence"

yeah right

yeah that's the AI making an assumption

but turns out, such cruelty did exist

there's a link here

the devs are pointing it out

our birth coincided with the supernova

for reasons unknown

but if our ship flew past that long ago

we're talking potentially millions of years

why did it come back

[cedar juniper]

Sure but the question is how better she will be

[long crest]

one interesting tidbit tho

this means we have proof that teyvat predates nibelung
it wasnt his planet

because our AI flew past and saw it

man why is genshin's lore so sick

that's what nibelung would have said yeah

our AI saw a burned out rock

no nibelung

no civ

deadge

and yet, nibelung then appeared somehow

so is nibelung a supernova's mutated offspring having cooked inside the planet's core for a long time?

[modern bluff]

have u ever looked up how life started on earth

wonder if its the same thing for nibelung

[long crest]

also, zibai when her mom grounds her for 219 million years

so my joke about nicole giving varka acute radiation poisoning isnt so far from the truth huh

when the pyro vision hits but the only special power you unlock is skin cancer

she can

[slender haven]

Diona might be good too

[long crest]

actually, now we kinda got two angels in the same version right

nicole for the sun

and zibai for the moon

zibai uses hydro geo
nicole uses pyro anemo

allegedly

nicole is an angel

the shades also have human souls btw, they're still full powered shades

nicole is full powered in her current form

they possess human souls if the zibai thingy is to be believed

right, i meant the angel part of her powers

those should be at full strength

her mage stuff is on top

i rly hope her kit reflects how broken strong she is ngl

if any unit has a strong enough lore resume to warrant replacing benny

it's nicole

me when im moving the moon on a random tuesday

no big deal

[modern bluff]

Wonder if Dottore even knew who/what the Angels were

He knew about Rerir somehow at least

And he does know about Khaenri'ah/the Abyss

[craggy mist]

Moon Toad.

https://giphy.com/gifs/frog-froggy-fric-GUGmSEFhswM4zfi8Zs

Glad to see they're working in the trailer into the lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y3Q1xNktU8

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1qqhcmx/a_personal_take_on_the_cn_narration_footnotes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

this is genuinely so peak

[golden sluice]

it is

read it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1qqhcmx/comment/o2jy46l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

read this comment after you're done

@ashen ocean did u read

i don't remember simulanka at all but I feel the post is very clear

he definitely was

Dottore's fate is after all about being misunderstood

the read is peak

too bad a lot of it can't be

understood

because it's mostly from CN

the part about

Capitano's equivalent

saying he's scared of Dottore's equivalent

is interesting

I guess that's true

tho I love the part about it

being the worst thing the top 3 harbingers ever did

is not working together

yeah it's not exactly working together

the post says

Dottore's future story would be about

learning restraint and working with others

don't we all

what can you do

when your fate is about not being accepted

I hope that only happens by the time he breaks his fate

his fate is about being not accepted even with good intentions

yeah I'd say his story will probably be at the second half of Snez

[craggy mist]

The portent of doom... the Teri Teri moon...

[golden sluice]

too many stuff in the first one

Pierro

Capitano

Tsaritsa

[craggy mist]

Aristotle's 11 Moral Virtues

[golden sluice]

didn't I tell u

in the CN tl

it's said to a group of people

instead of one

so it's likely the harbingers

instead of just Dottore

weird I thought I showed u

guess i forgot

[gray raven]

something is happening today

[craggy mist]

what kind of something?

[golden sluice]

maybe

we'll see

[craggy mist]

I do think they probably left it unclear so they could have more Nod-Krai style inbetween acts if they so desired.

[gray raven]

something

[craggy mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/630553822036623370/1460840543860035731/clbn02.gif

[gray raven]

i do not believe linnea's release will be filler

[craggy mist]

I mean it's snowland Fae stuff, that's fairly interesting to have more perspective on

We've got more Favonius stuff, we've got snowland Fae stuff, we've got Hypoborea stuff, we've got Fatui and Fontaine research instiute stuff, and then maybe we have a Snezhnaya lead in character.

The 10th harbinger, oomfie.

For 6.8

[golden sluice]

god I hope they exist

[gray raven]

also

dornman port release in linnea's patch?

[outer kraken]

Yo tbf when they got subbed in they did a lot of work

[gray raven]

so it is a resurrection

[somber dagger]

I ALREADY LOVE THE LANTERN RITE

IM SO GLAD THAT THEYRE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

||what happened to the fake moon||

[craggy mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dalamud-gif-12552144316078069612

get dalamud'd

[tawdry blade]

ineffa may have crazy origin but she is still VERY limited by her body that made out of scrap from multiple region

anyway,bringing back the zhongli being "heaven's star" I think this what the leak mean about Archon have potential to be HP?(or his servant)

[gray raven]

[tawdry blade]

act2 Lantern

damn

actual celestia nail in action

and istaroth power

[cedar juniper]

This huge ass bum nefer is pmo

[golden sluice]

yea I know I was wrong 🥀

[golden sluice]

same

lowk worst character in NK for me

[distant citrus]

Doing first part of lantern rite quest with zhongli talking about ancient lore which I already know because I read Zibai's character story
I really should not read even lore next time because now they're integrating those into quests and I already spoil myself...

I mean zhongli already is there that should be enough evidence for it

I never saw him as any creator so the thought never went in my mind
He was always part of his own race of people
Although now that I think about it the gods have always existed in teyvat even before HP arrived

I doubt they were humans because that's one thing that came after HP and not before
Elemental beings yes that's also whom souls were sent to the moons now that I think about it

Probably not but they definitely lived alongside dragons

"Beneath the earth and deep within the seas dwelt the fallen clans and broken kings of the Old World. "
They already had their own kings and stuff which got overturned when HP came and created new order

Sovereign are just purest elemental beings which implies there were less pure or even impure elemental beings living alongside
Adeptus existing in just another proof alongside the lore mentioning dead elemental souls being sent to moons

[tawdry blade]

For now(not cope)

[distant citrus]

Because they died during the conflict but they still were alive before

Also sovereign existing implicitly means they were ruling over someone
These were just other elemental beings

There's also the evolution so different elemental beings just evolved differently
Adeptus beings one such case
Probably whatever raiden is would be another elemental being

So far the only outsider is humans and by proxy fae who are just experimental humans mixed with elemental powers

That's fae only the humans who experimented on themselves and got the elemental powers ingrained on themselves

Nah dragons besides sovereign are just vishaps
Other elemental being are just different species you could say

Nope that's like saying birds are failed lizards....
They're just different species made up of same carbon (in teyvat case it's element)

No fae are the enhanced humans (hence the superiority angle wrt humans and flins mentioning there being common ancestors)
The frostmoon scions are normal humans who got frostmoon blessing later

"After relentless experimentation, we have finally mastered the Tekhneikos of tailoring and refining the Seeds of Life. Now, new humans born after such "adjustments" can wield elemental forces at will. "

So I assume fae to be the residue of these experiments then? Probably were created during the course of these experiments then...

But then how come frostmoon scions can't manipulate elements but fae can? Doesn't make sense...
That's why I thought fae were the enhanced humans
Not to mention the aspect of nobility being among the fae wrt humans being lower class was very common in the past...

That blessing was of frostmoon goddess not the one they should have from human experiments
It's different

The ability to wield elemental powers like how a vision bilder can in modern times
That's very different from frostmoon blessing

Hyperborean humans had made such that humans could wield the elemental powers
Which fae can easily and hence my assumption
Alongside flins remark on the subject...

Nope the blessing had gone out because the moon goddess died and her blessing slowly waned
Nothing to do with genetically modified humans aka fae

I'm probably wrong here but I'll hold on to this theory until we get real confirmation of fae not being enhanced humans of hyperborea... Should be confirmed when snezhnaya comes

And that has nothing to do with frostmoon blessing which directly came from the moon goddess

SAMPO is Voyager project nothing to do with frost moon goddess....

They're two different things

You're going on tangent
Again what's this to do with elemental powers?
They're two different things

Lore always use vague language besides its older info
The new info of enhanced humans using elemental powers is in quest right now

And I don't see frostmoon scions using elemental powers (unless they got vision like lauma who btw can use frostmoon blessing alongside that remember)

My point is that fae can wield elemental powers
Humans like frostmoon scions can't..
That enough info for me to assume the enhanced humans were fae
Hence the nobility hence the flins common ancestors remark....

Yes so how come lauma uses both frostmoon blessing and elemental power from her vision differently?
If they are same shouldn't she be using the elemental powers without vision? Assuming she's descendant of enhanced humans from hyperborea and has purest bloodline....
That's what I'm talking about the elemental powers are different from the blessing (which needs pure blood) ...

It's a machine... Mekanikos is just word for machine.... And yes they don't know how to use that because they lost the instructions on how to do that..

Still doesn't make sense because frostmoon blessing is different from elemental power
Both are fundamentally different

The blessing decided the "chosen one"
Frostmoon scion's whole ritual thing basically...

Nothing to do with wielding elemental powers which enhanced humans of hyperborean had something that fae also have

The silver blood of the scions was the blessing...

Or well prove of said blessing

Nvm it's mentioned new born humans so we're back to fae human angle

We'll see when we reach snezhnaya I guess
Pucinella will tell us all about ancient fae history

Yes the lore from artifacts definitely mention fae to be spirit created by hyperborean
But then the new world quest letter talks about humans wielding elemental energy
Makes me confused on that especially since the descendants of these humans don't have such ability not even one...
And then there's flins remark about common ancestors...
Definitely there's more to it that what we know for now

Or maybe I'm just over thinking things

Yes

If I've learned anything about lore it's that the new one supersede the older one

And looking at the vagueness of the wording in these lore it's very easy to accept new info over older ones

Especially artifacts lore...

Not really
New lore just makes things more clear

No? It was during their journey after the cataclysm

When they visited the 7 nation

I see it was before the cataclysm but then where's the contradiction here though?
We know they were involved with Irmin so they would know what was about to come no?

Oh ok but the contradiction here is only because the new info superceded the old one you see as I said
If the new info didn't we still would believe older info but now we know the older info or most of it is false memory

That's the point I think that what we know of sibling is not entirely true

And that's only because of newer info

True but what I meant to say was new info gives clearer picture especially if it's built on top of older info

Like in case of hyperborean experiment

Or even abyss twin

[long crest]

@ashen ocean new ashikai video

it's kinda fire

[golden sluice]

just started the lantern rite quest

did they elaborate on the moon devourer?

it's not Bakunawa?

alright

same

also

there's only two acts open?

ohh okay

ill start it that day then

ngl never was a fan of CNY stories

I remember Guoba's was pretty interesting

and the one where they first revealed Cloud Retainer's design

wasn't 5.3 about Lanyan

didn't play 6.3 yet so can't judge

ohhhh that

ok yeah I remember why I wasn't interested in it

I'm doing IT rn

and

oh my fucking god bro this fuckass game

which ones I forgot

ohhh

the leylines bs

yeah true

luna

luna is the hardest one right

I just started too

yeah

I don't think I have him

ohhh

thank god I make the requirement with the characters I have

I even reach the maximum amount

u have Illuga?

oh okay

[craggy mist]

||Damn Lang-Gan really did get Dalamud'd||

[modern bluff]

ive noticed with nicole

majority of the time she doesnt have her halo/crown, she has her hat that all witches have

she only shows off her "crown" when shes using her powers, like pulling the moon down

maybe angels dont show it off that often, or rarely

well do angels need horns?

idk much about nabu malikata's design too much but maybe she was more content as being seen as an angel

while nicole yknow

wanted to look normal in front of other humans

she was in public with us after all

i think its conclusive to say all angels have some kinda headpiece tho

maybe its their trademark for being an angel/related to koitar somehow

[cedar juniper]

Ok so zibai doesn't have authority over time

She's just frozen in time by GOATaroth to preserve her soul

[long crest]

it's a good one

[distant citrus]

Where does it mention this?

[gray raven]

https://youtu.be/6iE9Gwiuz3E?si=CWpUp0jn0yJMYrFz

[tawdry blade]

Back then I said about how weird Fontaine prophecy is

Celestia punish their people really fast,and yet they gave Fontaine years of preparation

Or you can say the archon years of preparation

[distant citrus]

That's no horn just crown as mentioned in the deep finale
Angels were born with wings and crown
Then crown was later discarded during the rebelling

Horn is nowhere mentioned to be part of angels or even a prerequisite

Even nilou outfit that resemble nabu only works with nabu not rest of the angels
Maybe horn was a feature of nabu maybe... But doesn't imply every other angels must have that

Nicole and now zibai none have horn should be proof that it's not a distinct feature to have

Again that could just be how the crown looked

Nothing says it's a horn

They couldn't look because they were hidden
It's like how nicole doesn't just show her wings and crown unless she herself reveals it later

And yet nicole still has her wings and crown... But no horn
As if horn were not mentioned anywhere after all

That doesn't change anything
It never said it was flesh anywhere either...
Remember the crown was given by PO as a tool for control not something they innately had

And if they had horns that would be mentioned alongside the wings and crown

Not saying some angels couldn't have horns but it wasn't some distinct feature of all

[modern bluff]

maybe nicole doesnt have horns bc shes a human now

not a complete angel

idk

[distant citrus]

So far only nabu looks to have such feature but even then it's just interpretation from nilou outfit not any outright description...
Because for all practical purposes it could just be how the crown looked...

For example you can look how the crown looks here it's shaped like horns... In fact very similar to nilou outfit

Could just be crown not all angels rebelled after all...

So how come both nicole and zibai have them?
Horn shaped ornaments? Because that's not real horns just crowns

Maybe they're not functional anymore or something

Unless hoyo forgot about the horns they were never real to begin with
It was always horn shaped ornaments or crown

Right...

It's moon shaped but still looks like two horns from front

That's what I'm saying the horns aren't real just visual appearance

Part of ornaments

If they were real the deep finale would mention that

Alongside the wings and crown

Then they forgot their own lore

Or it was meant to symbolise the crown

Because all those mural predates rebellion

Well they forgot it I guess

[tawdry blade]

I mean,looking at real life mural,they are not accurate all the time

Mural is just mural like them depicted PO as dragon when he isn't

[slender haven]

They might be confusing the mural of Nibelung imprisoning the Moons as HP killing them

To what

Oh yeah
I was planning on replying to that

But then I didn't

But yeah the Fae are different from the enhanced humans
Fae are pure elemental creatures, that's why Flins can turn into a blue flame while the enhanced humans presumably are not fully elemental

You think the Moons had dragons forms back in the day or did they just always look like that?

I'd imagine
But the Abyss would have weakened him so HP lived

No

He was a dragon

A being of pure light
The Abyss is darkness incarnate
Literally oil and water

Maybe
But could a mere copy ever be a descender?

HP was weakened by it too

That's why they remade the Seven elements to be more effective against them

Yes
And themselves

No
They hate the Abyss

Only humans and human adjacents can wield the Abyss
Like Traveler and Skirk's species

No not really
The Gods are fucked up by the Abyss too like dragons

Yeah but he's a type of human probably not a God or dragon

The Sinners just milked their power out of Aether

They didn't use alchemy

I guess they're like Durin rn, both
Wouldn't it be funny if their powers canceled out and she was super weak now?

Giggity

Not if the AI never directly encountered the Abyss

Life

But never experimented with it

Also we don't know if HP is the AI

[slender haven]

You mean the one whose sun imploded?
That isn't Teyvat

Wasn't the solar chariot used by the Moons?

Yeah pretty big
But maybe The HP absorbed the Ship AI to make the Shades

"It is said that Rex Lapis was still young, the sun was a chariot that raced across the earth. When the three sisters of the night sky were martyred in a calamity, the solar chariot fell into a deep gorge.
The mountain people, taking it for a sign, repaired the device, allowing it to shine through the darkness again."

This line implies they're linked somehow

Wasn't that a God or something?

This?

That's Chi

Chi was a serpent so could be linked to dragons

Yeah I read the full article
The amber orb is unknown

Could have been made by Nibelung too

I think those are different things
I read somewhere that the "morning star" is Mercury or something

No Venus

Venus is the morning star

So not the sun

[craggy mist]

given the Kulkulkan commentary I do generally think it's another satellite.

[slender haven]

Could the morning star be Istaroth then?
Since I believe her name references Venus somehow

[craggy mist]

The dragons made a lot of artificial satellites

[slender haven]

She could have several names

The thing is that Phanes did not make Istaroth technically

So she's always been weird

[craggy mist]

How did it get from the chasm 6000 years ago to Nod-Krai 500 years ago to the Frost Moon <500 years ago. Solve this timeline.

oh morning star is different, nevermind

ignore.

[slender haven]

Koitar is the sun
Since she the maiden of dawn

Not yet

HP
Or the ship controlled itself

Wait no not the solar chariot

The solar chariot was probably controlled by the Moons

[distant citrus]

Phosphorous was called morning star aka bright side of planet venus
And Hesperus was called evening star aka the dark side of planet venus
Initially they were believe to be different planet but it was later discovered that both represent the same planet

[craggy mist]

"Goddess of the Dawnstar"

[slender haven]

So Istaroth

[distant citrus]

I'm not sure how this would fit the genshin theme

[slender haven]

She's time and so she represents both morning and evening

[distant citrus]

That would be kairos related to chronos aka time

[slender haven]

She's all three

Gods have multiple names

[craggy mist]

To be fair the Koitar lore implies her and her sisters were in control of the elements so there's up to 6 other options.

[slender haven]

The Solar Chariot?

That only left because the people of the Chasm lifted it back up

[distant citrus]

So does the day king and night king

[slender haven]

That one is probably wrong then
The people were who lifted it up

[distant citrus]

Yup all hints point to dual nature of PO with istaroth pulling the strings

[craggy mist]

⁨Magnificent, noble creations descended from the light itself, and the mortals — unable to look upon their true visages — called them angels. Their pale silver wings shimmered like moonlit flames; their heads were adorned with crowns of sevenfold radiance, wrought of the bones of the earth and the stars of the sky. The name upon those crowns was the love promised unto all creatures by the heavenly god, or perhaps a mandate to rule over the nations of the earth.⁩⁩

hard to say.

[slender haven]

The solar chariot might just be sentient

[craggy mist]

I mean the moons have goddesses attached to them.

not a big jump

[slender haven]

Like how the Moons are both their human "vessels" and also the big rocks themselves

PO was too weak to do anything about it

Plus they thought the Moons betrayed them

It's what Nicole says

[craggy mist]

PO increasingly sounding like it's just following its directives.

[slender haven]

Cause it was outside the sky

[craggy mist]

PO throwing out the frost moon is going to be something on the level of "removing all potential abyssal corruption" or the like.

No different than the nails

[slender haven]

That was what Nibelung did not the HP

[craggy mist]

it isn't punishing anyone, it just doesn't care about the consequences.

any and all suffering and death is acceptable as long as Teyvat is secure.

[distant citrus]

The sun is the solar chariot that fell
You can already see the sun in the false sky

[slender haven]

The real sun exists too
It's mentioned by Seutervoinen before meeting Nibelung

Not directly

Columbina was doing 99% of the work
Istaroth just told the Scions that it was going to happen

Nibelung had control over time as well which he used to make the Reflection

[craggy mist]

Since Nibelung made the time travel prison this time around, Istaroth may have had no involvement.

Though we can at least say she stayed out of it.

[slender haven]

She could have had some access to the Moon's reflection due to her mutual power with Nibelung

No not really
Dragons and HP are still separate

[craggy mist]

You think the Shades aren't aware of what's going down in Nod-Krai? We started this patch cycle with them literally looking at the Fatui

[slender haven]

The Moons and HP merely coexisted
Moons never officially became HP's subjects

[slender haven]

Fraudtorre was too pathetic and miniscule to warrant their glance

[craggy mist]

oh, I mean more that even if she didn't do anything herself, she at very least didn't work against Columbina. But yeah, she definitely could have done something too.

[slender haven]

Well Traveler absorbs Abyss energies and Skirk is an Abyss user

[craggy mist]

Istaroth is increasingly being set up as someone who meddles. With Makoto, with Zibai, with Rhinedottir's experiment, Istaroth likes to give a push.

[slender haven]

Well Descenders are on another level
Moons are below that levels

[slender haven]

Both Vedrfolnir and Istaroth are trying to be Aizen

Yes but still below Descender level

PO can't detect them in another dimension
The Moon's Reflection was accessed by nearly nobody

The trilune was transferred to Nod-Krai not the Moon
That's why Columbina was born there

[craggy mist]

Being a Descender is something very specific.

there is having power within the rules and then there is having power because you can break the rules at will.

[slender haven]

Yes
Moons give authority to Columbina
Columbina willingly evaporates to leave The Reflection and scatters herself into Nod-Krai so she's born there

That's why she questioned why she was born on Nod-Krai and not the Moon

[distant citrus]

Trilune authority was hidden in the frost moon not nod krai...columbina literally says so

[slender haven]

Hmm

Idk then

[distant citrus]

The reason she was born in nod krai was because her body was turned to kuvahki and spread all over the lands

[slender haven]

Maybe the authority prevented the Frostmoon from being destroyed so they just flung it out

Too potent

Or it was hidden so PO didn't know

Would make sense

[distant citrus]

The one reason PO didn't destroy frost moon as we know is that he used that to park the spaceship of twins

For whatever reason

As for istaroth well it's all about causality
To arrive at certain future you have to make the past events in certain order and hence all the meddling

As for what kind of future well that's the secret

[craggy mist]

I'm not entirely convinced after finishing 6.3 area quests the snake wasn't the Professor. Rerir had his own time travel nonsense going on.

[slender haven]

Rerir was just Vedrfolnir's experiment to see if he could beat fate
Rerir's story isn't over so he hasn't failed yet

[craggy mist]

Rotwang got cooked by Rerir going "nuh-uh"

But the abysal power that Rotwang was trying to use was Rerir's.

[distant citrus]

It was from the first time visit of tholindis or even rerir when he got turned to pieces by the gravity...

[slender haven]

Vedrfolnir wants to defeat fate in any way he can
To what ends we don't know

I like to think Rotwang is Rerir's dad
Since it would be ironic and all

He has more than one
All the Sinners might be pawns in his game
Except Hroptatyr

[distant citrus]

Why make it complicated when the answer is simple
Abyss arrived with first visit of Rerir/tholindis because that's what they used to open the moon gate

[slender haven]

Frauddottir was too stupid to not make a big monster that could bite off her arm
Wouldn't be too hard to manipulate

[distant citrus]

He opened the gate during cataclysm that's it so 500 years ago

[slender haven]

She's made 0 descenders

[distant citrus]

Inside the reflection not outside...time inside is different from outside

You're not making sense here...
Why would they go 6k years outside when they never could go outside and are stuck inside?

[slender haven]

And she could only do it by stealing from the Moons' power

Seems pretty probable
Bakunawa has both red and blue parts on it like the rocks in Nod-Krai

[distant citrus]

Bakunawa is also probably the toad who ate the moon

[slender haven]

Could still amount to something

Tholindis could still have a fully grown child somehow

We still have to learn how Rerir's corpse ended up in Nod-Krai at all

But Columbina only did that with the trilunar authority

He was just killed by the Wild Hunt

She did that as she left

Using the authority

She couldn't leave prior to getting the authority

[distant citrus]

She turned her body into kuvahki nothing to do with moon gate shredding her

As for Rerir his body was shredded by the gravity and sent back outside somehow

[slender haven]

That could just be a Wild Hunt storm
And we still don't know how he even did it

It doesn't make any sense

Columbina only left with the authority that Rerir doesn't have

[distant citrus]

His conflict with Rhine and Ved is still left unresolved

[slender haven]

Ved is kind of explained

[craggy mist]

Rerir's still the next weekly boss in the file ids. They're getting to it.

[distant citrus]

Not wrt his current state

Well the state before

[slender haven]

But how did he do it
He couldn't have
They will explain it soon

[distant citrus]

When he was in pieces

[slender haven]

No it didn't

That doesn't make sense

There's 0 proof for that

[craggy mist]

Still think the Wild Hunt is future Rerir trapped in the time prison's past leaking through. Then when past Rerir exploded he powered up the Wild Hunt at that point in time by adding more of his power to them through time crimes nonsense.

[distant citrus]

She didn't die her soul was still inside
Her body was converted to kuvahki and sent to nod krai by herself

[craggy mist]

Rerir is doing the same things as Columbina just without realizing it like Bina did.

I mean they could have more to the story in the rest of 6.x (would be interesting), but otherwise Dottore just gathered enough pieces to pull his soul through just like Luonnotar served as an anchor for Columbina.

[distant citrus]

She literally says she'll turn her body into moonlight...nothing to do moon gate

Except she doesn't say that

[slender haven]

Yeah

We don't know how

Maybe Vedrfolnir

And Rhinedottir could have collected some of his pieces

To make the Bakunawa

Yeah Rerir revived himself

Nah

He just got enough for Rerir's consciousness to form again

I know

I think that was just caused by the Abyss leaking out of Rerir

Yes

It's called aura

[modern bluff]

@slender haven @ashen ocean are we still speculating how rerir escaped the moons prison reflection the first time or the abyssal energy with him when hes in there a second time

bc i feel its obvious for the latter, it has to be ved

blasphemy against time in a prison of time

sounds like his domain

[slender haven]

Yeah Ved would make sense

[modern bluff]

as for the former, i dont think his soul was "trapped" in the moons reflection the first time right?

or if it was, he said he doesnt remember

[slender haven]

Columbina says that the Moon's reflection only traps "divinity" or the "souls" of people or something
That's why Rerir became normal again after he went in the second time, the Moon shredded the Abyss in him but left the normal Kuuvahki he absorbed unscathed

[modern bluff]

figured

so hes technically considered divinity then, in a sense?

since he has kuuvahki in his soul

or form

also

where are we getting that rhinedottir used his corpse

or is this speculation

[slender haven]

Yeah the Reflection was made to imprison the Moons, who had "kuuvahki" so Reri having Kuuvahki in him would make him more trapped technically

[slender haven]

It's speculation but not without evidence
The Bakunawa is a "serpent" like how Rerir is called a serpent several times in the quests and the Bakunawa is desperate to reclaim its broken off pieces just like Rerir
The Bakunawa in mythology was also a devourer of the Moons just like Rerir trying to consume Columbina's power

[modern bluff]

rerir being referred to as a snake?

thought his whole motif was being a wolf/dog

[slender haven]

Yeah

[slender haven]

He's both

[modern bluff]

i know nefer called him a snake but i assumed that was just nefer being nefer

[slender haven]

They say that at the end

Traveler calls Rerir a wolf while Nefer calls him a snake

[modern bluff]

idk, i dont really see it

theres similarities in relation

but theres no specific evidence rhinedottir has actually like

done anything with him

the woman barely even remembers/mentions him according to albedo

she talked more about hroptatyr and surtalogi

would i be surprised if her fucked up mentality wanted to experiment on him? not really

but i think the way albedo put it, he said she might have been interested in the being he became

therefore it means she doesnt even know what he is entirely

bros built different

[slender haven]

Rerir screams her name when he first comes back

[modern bluff]

yea i know

i assumed it was bc her monster wolves got in the way of him saving tholindis when khaenriah fell

idk if theres more to it tho

[slender haven]

I mean it's possible he was mad at her for making the monsters that threatened Tholindis

But how would he have known that

He seemed to more blame King Irmin at the time

[modern bluff]

Rerir: Monsters!? Is this Rhinedottir's doing? Or the Universitas Magistrorum?

this is one of his dialogue lines

so clearly rhinedottir's actions of making monsters isnt a secret

[slender haven]

Well he sounds a little unsure there

[slender haven]

Yeah that would make sense

He's the Sinner of Death and she's the Sinner of Life

It would make sense if they were connected somehow

[modern bluff]

hopefully we get more lore on that