#・genshin-spoilers
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outer kraken
Like what happened with ineffa
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i wanna say yes but phanes killed every possible hacker
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I wouldn't want to meet the traveler's civilization
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the phanes knowledge limit
you dare go beyond the circle of knowledge
YOU GET PHANES POLKA"D
distant citrus
She used the 3 elements above the "kingdom" and 4 elements below the "firmament" and then used the 7 that came via their overlap to create pathways...
Whatever this meant 
Only Rene would know... 
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She used the 3 elements above the "kingdom" and 4 elements below the "firmament"...
maybe this is a guide?
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the part of phanes holding all the emotions
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fire water wind is above the kingdom
lightning dendro ice geo below the firmament?
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all it has left is Reason
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uh nvm kinda weird
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so basically, tldr:
nibelung is a fraud compared to phanes
dragon authorities don't mean shit next to google maps
bro can chokeslam a star into shape if it needs to
phanes gently telling the star to shape the fuck up
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so basically, tldr:
nibelung is a fraud compared to phanes
dragon authorities do...
yea but nibelung respects the natural laws of the universe and phanes is a stubborn mfer
delaying the void until someone figures out the alternative
basically in hi3 terms the dude became a herrscher and succumbed to it
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"Three pertains to appearance, while four pertains to the intrinsic. Seven, obtained through their overlap, constitute the number of paths for vertical transcendence.
We designate this process of overlap as "marriage,"
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dragon mogged by teenage women and pink jesus
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Now go to any alchemy bench and see what it says....
"Earth and water, wind and fire, craft for me what I desire."
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men suck even the draconic kind
distant citrus
This is the 4 intrinsic elements
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Xiuhcoatl to Teyvat whenever one (1) thing goes badly with his plan
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sovereign #11 lowkey goated
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basically did the shit nibelung can't do
why didn't he do anything to stop being fully corrupted by the abyss
dawg you OWN teyvat didn't you have a fucking plan?
just lock the moon sisters up and do war? no research?
distant citrus
No fate did not exist for him
He wanted to deny the void that was engulfing the universe of which teyvat is apparently the last surviving planet
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no back up plan? and when third descender comes you choose to chop their body?
distant citrus
Yes but that's after PO set up his little kingdom
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No fate did not exist for him
He wanted to deny the void that was engulfing the...
isn't it kinda depressing that almost everyone in the universe managed to complete it's cycle of finality and this one didn't
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the fate system might actually be why teyvat was chosen
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like are they setting up teyvat to be patient zero
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might be what gives the world potential
distant citrus
No it's when she came to teyvat that she got involved which happened because surtologi was also bound already by the same fate
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the fate system might actually be why teyvat was chosen
might be but might be also phanes program
distant citrus
Fate as we know of it didn't exist prior to PO
It's literally his project
Okay you're talking of that mb i misunderstood
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iirc the reason why teyvat was chosen because it has something in it to be able to override the fate
which is very typical hoyoverse
distant citrus
I thought you were talking about fate as in the fate
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every game features planets that overcome their fate
hi3 - earth, mars, venus
hsr - belobog, amphoreus
genshin - teyvat
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basically a genshin part two is just a setup for another planet exploration for a teyvat like planet
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yes ofc
i gotta say tho
this plot hook is good
this also explains why the spaceship was so strong lmao
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this plot hook is *good*
it takes a lot of the nice of hi3 and package it into a much more compelling stakes
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nobody on teyvat could do anything to it
so basically, the abyss sibling and our butler are fighting
why they fighting tho
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honestly makes sense why hsr attempted amphoreus to be that long, every planet has enough potential to spark something much larger in the grand play of fate
distant citrus
Yeah the firmament is built different
"As they had hoped, the great ruler of the firmament spurned the destroyer veiled in black mist.
No doubt, through its long voyage across the shadowed realms, it had witnessed countless stars meet their end.
And so, they too chose Order. Or, more accurately, made space to accommodate it."
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so basically, the abyss sibling and our butler are fighting
why they fighting th...
nibelung damaged the butler
distant citrus
Great ruler of firmament... Imagine if the firmament itself is his body
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you think so?
i think it basically got some wires detached that it's enough to sustain teyvat but had lots of mishaps and preemptive strikes aka the nails
plus it's power source is possibly the primordial sea
based on Durin Sig lore, it's draining out
aligns with the dying HP theory
ngl this sounds like a massive rat race to get to the admin room
who would win? fatui? abyss sibling? or us?
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plus it's power source is possibly the primordial sea
oh shit
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is there a possibility that maybe phanes "won" because they did what kiana was able to do with the earth's authority over finality?
hence why teyvat got a period of growth and peace?
like that sounds so much glazing if phanesgpt basically pulled a kiana part 1 but better
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Not likely because they used nail to cleanse the abyss contamination
So clearly they didn't get anything out of abyss
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took over a planet and took it's authority on how it would end and restart again?
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Not likely because they used nail to cleanse the abyss contamination
So clearly ...
wait
mc can absorb abyss with ease
WAIT DID THE PLAYABLE MC ALREADY GET THE AUTHORITY
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took over a planet and took it's authority on how it would end and restart again...
That did happen when Po inserted their order into the planets will
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and they're just getting to where they should be
distant citrus
She's like skirk traveler from outer space
So is octavia
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That did happen when Po inserted their order into the planets will
interesting...so did a hard reset so in a way they followed the rules of the universe but in a different way
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it does explain how shes so insanely powerful
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it does explain how shes so insanely powerful
my theory is her planet survived and is already self sustaining (aka already has their authority of finality being a good being)
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so far we got:
rando fishgirl skirk on a visit
crazy godlike powerful alice
INSANELY powerful omnipotent spaceship
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gosh planetary guardian time
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my theory is her planet survived and is already self sustaining (aka already has...
what is authority of finality?
im not big on hi3 lore
distant citrus
interesting...so did a hard reset so in a way they followed the rules of the uni...
Basically they modified the planets authority to their suiting
But they still couldn't do it 100% as the tides still were needed for critical function that's why they gave the 3 moon sisters place in their new order
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what is authority of finality?
in hi3 it's the being who controls the end and the beginning of a planet's cycle, earth finally is now under the hands of kiana the mc
distant citrus
what is authority of finality?
It's authority of the cocoon of finality to be more precise
It's the higher dimension being that's responsible for spread of honkai
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so the shades
they're basically programs?
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so far teyvat has been confined to a fate where the planetary resets are extreme and hard
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so the shades
they're basically programs?
weirdly this is my analogy as of now:
think shades as junior administrators under the head admin
the moons, elemental authority, light kingdom, primordial sea, all teyvat's original components so far that dictate the life cycle
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think shades as junior administrators under the head admin
hm
but they don't seem very loyal to PO
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iirc that's where the samsara follows through
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hm
but they don't seem very loyal to PO
and Nicole said that in the meeting point
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i havnt done that
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so the shades
they're basically programs?
Niberius hovering like a tv screen inside Rhinedottre mind gives whole new meaning no? 
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Niberius hovering like a tv screen inside Rhinedottre mind gives whole new meani...
ya
but teyvat has had a computer feeling for a long time
ever since we went into irminsul
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Rhinedottre just implanted an Ai chip inside her brain
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and being able to erase data from irminsul then affecting ALL memories on the planet
is like very telling
also
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this is funny
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the transparency of istaroth
ronova's effects
the clacking stairs
the lair of the shades being above layers of abyssal cloud to real clouds up to the atmosphere
oh yes it makes sense
so above the firmament, is celestia and the shades lair
celestia is the "haven" in which those who ascended reside, also a jail of sorts for individuals who have the capability to overthrow
and with the story leading to more soul-vessel shenanigans, a jailbreak filled with beings that powerful is a recipe for war
chat, any chance they send someone from celestia down to act as a mole? ans snitch on the mc 
my guess is that mc isn't fully aware of it, or even what's happening above
basically Celestia envoy goes down, lore bombs and makes mc be more sus against everyone but pushing them to that heir role
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celestia is the "haven" in which those who ascended reside, also a jail of sorts...
My guess is because Phanes know that the twin will return to Teyvat,so they have to make the twin the only one who truly ascend. Too bad the other was kidnapped
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this means nicole is a literal computer nerd 😭
nicole: oh gosh another coding issue, how do i make this into an ao3 fanfic
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My guess is because Phanes know that the twin will return to Teyvat,so they have...
dang so us choosing the mc was essentially choosing the heir of teyvat's authority
tawdry blade
Favorite child ah
Well,both would be the heir if they weren't separated anyway
I like to think that if they both become the new ruler. Aether would take care of protecting Teyvat and hide it from the universe while Lumine will destroy any threat
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oh shit
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nicole: oh gosh another coding issue, how do i make this into an ao3 fanfic
@ashen ocean i just realized:
paimon isn't emergency food for us
she's emergency food for phanes
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X
golden sluice
https://x.com/D0TT0R3/status/2011756755659968633?s=20
I saw this
oh my god we're so back
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https://x.com/D0TT0R3/status/2011756755659968633?s=20
and dottore is another red herring because this is actually capitano speaking/j
lemme guess, dottore is in the moon's reflection and he's messing with rerir which leads to that datamine of rerir being the second weekly boss...
lean violet
lemme guess, dottore is in the moon's reflection and he's messing with rerir whi...
Idk I feel like any Dottore return should be related to that whole Irminsul thing if anything
Plus Dottore without Trilune shouldn't even have anything to hold ober Rerir + Rerir is already sane in the moon's reflection and knows Tholindis is there, they've both already come to terms with how things turned out
Rerir going mad again would be odd
final oracle
https://fixvx.com/yvesjjs/status/2011783086778793985
if this is true then they just scammed daily dottore whatever the equivalent is to 6480 genesis crystals
lean violet
Idk I feel like any Dottore return should be related to that whole Irminsul thin...
He's already serving his punishment in an eternal prison, aware of how everything he and Tholindis did was born from the abyss' whispers and their own foolishness
And Rerir knows the whole wild hunt served no purpose in the end, because Tholindis was already dead
Rerir has no motive to go crazy and evil again, and is actively receiving the consequences of his actions, there's little reason to make him a villain again
golden sluice
bro I sent it in dms 😭
they also put it througg Grok and gpt and they got the same answer
outer kraken
Honestly it made sense the revived rerir we saw was nothing more than a broken man with rage against the world then like he said in the moon reflection it was quiet and tholindis was dead so he learned his rage was for nothing
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picture it:
we're talking to phanes mainframe
it will NOT relent, it will not accept this new plan because it has reason alone to guide it
but paimon sacrifices herself to merge with phanes and restore the original AI
the new completed phanes has gotten its love for the travelers back and can see more clearly what it must do
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we have to wait at least 1 more year tho
that's okay
oh my god I need summer to see get already to Snezhnaya stuff
don't forget the rest of the harbingers
outer kraken
Didn't a sumeru archon quest leaked
golden sluice
and Pierro
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Atleast a vague mention of it
golden sluice
Didn't a sumeru archon quest leaked
not leaked, one ID is missing
implying there's one more Sumeru quest left
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Idk I feel like any Dottore return should be related to that whole Irminsul thin...
The humble abyssal shaped Vedrfolnir snake showing itself:
lean violet
Rerir is already aware of the abyss' whispers he should be more resistant to it now
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Rerir has no motive to go crazy and evil again, and is actively receiving the co...
i know...but datamine
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@ashen ocean can't Rerir just come back using his purified heart or the remains in the wild hunt as anchor like Columbina did with the Lunnotar
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as much as i get it, datamine is just there
how do you make a rerir weekly boss now
modern bluff
Only time will tell how rerir gets out, I bet ved has something to do with it bc of he does
lean violet
Rerir coming back would be so bad and would just ruin the great ending they gave for him here, suffering with the knowledge that nothing he did truly mattered
outer kraken
I would prefer the boss just to be rerir's body puppeted
Let him and tholindis rest or suffer
Which ever way you look at it
golden sluice
Rerir coming back would be so bad and would just ruin the great ending they gave...
being left in a what is similar to purgatory for eternity is far too high of a punishment honestly, I don't think they'll stick with it
lean violet
I would prefer it not be Rerir at all, there's no need to bring him back, body or soul
Let that man suffer with the consequences of his choices and actions, but leave his fragmented body alone too
modern bluff
Rerir being stuck there is pretty much purgatory and him being remorseful
Its not redemption
But its his start of being guilty of his own actions
outer kraken
It's not remdeption it's guilt
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Then I assume hoyo wants to develop him from there
outer kraken
For the first time in centuries he realized what he's done
golden sluice
Rerir being stuck there is pretty much purgatory and him being remorseful
far too high of a punishment, I don't really see them stick with it
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far too high of a punishment, I don't really see them stick with it
I agree I dont think hes staying there forever either
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also Rerir not being able to die and having to make up his mistakes to his victims is a pretty good ending too
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I mean idk what he can do to all the children he killed
Instead he can only choose to do good
Wanderer situation
golden sluice
yeah but I was talking about Columbina and the lightkeepers
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Honestly him and Wanderer are gonna have the same character development route lol
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and the descendents of the crimson moon
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Honestly him and Wanderer are gonna have the same character development route lo...
Rerir will be better because everyone will still remember the shit he did
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Please keep Rerir away from Fontaine
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why
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Not bc he'd be a danger to the kids
But because Fontaine le bad
people from there are fucked up man we dont need him getting worse
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?
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oh
lean violet
I'm usually somewhat okay with redemption plots but Rerir being left in purgatory as the consequences of his choices and actions, an ending he himself understands why he got to this point, is just well done already
Bringing his body or whatever back and destroying it just doesn't really bring any narrative value to me, why not just have a new villain fully instead of this puppeteering a corpse shit
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I think it's still a good sign that they put it through a lot of AIs and all of them gave the same results since each have a different programming
and even thrn the shapes are very peculiar, they're so distinct from the rrdt
rest*
lean violet
I'm usually somewhat okay with redemption plots but Rerir being left in purgator...
The man did bad things for no good reason, he knows this, Tholindis knows this, and they are at peace with their endings born from their own fears and foolishness of listening to the abyss
golden sluice
not sure I'll have to check
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The man did bad things for no good reason, he knows this, Tholindis knows this, ...
have you ever watched JoJo
specifically part 5 Golden Wind
lean violet
Also we still have 4 sinners who have had little to no screentime either
Why bring back the one that already has a functional narrative beginning and end
I'm all for wanting my fave charas playable and alive and well, but Rerir is a well done narrative with little left unexplored
He doesn't need and shouldn't be turned into a character who actively helps right his wrongs or whatever, that plot is already covered by Wanderer for one
Rerir's ending provides a more unique, semi-sympathetic ending
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See while I agree with some of that
You already know hoyo has more story to tell with him
Its onlt a matter of how
lean violet
What exactly is narratively significant about his first time there
What sort of lore mystery do you expect that to reveal
Girl he was shredded into bits from the act of entering don't blame the guy for amnesia
modern bluff
I thought it was cause his mind/memories got shredded too
That abyssal snake tho is def playing a part in him coming back tho
lean violet
Yes Tholindis was lured in because the abyss wanted to use her as manipulation to turn Rerir
This was stated in the AQ, the abyss amplified her desires to enter the portal, which was the whole reason Rerir agreed to become a Sinner
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Yea okay Im still hung up on this too
Idk if this is supposed to be a Tholindis afterimage
But then it doesn't explain how she even came to be in the first place
lean violet
Because Tholdindis was a mortal that died soon after, she was just a soul
modern bluff
Since her soul is stuck elsewhere
lean violet
Vedrfolnir did not whisper those things to Rerir or Tholindis what
Vedr was surprised Rerir was even hearing those things
It's obviously not him
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Blasphemy against time bruh
lean violet
I feel like all these questions about Rerir can be explored without bringing the dude back
It's not like he himself even knows the answers to these
This just sounds like Scaramouche plot
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Bc it is
He's gonna get the same development route as Wanderer
I can just tell already
lean violet
Plus Rerir already knows he was duped by the Abyss this is just convoluted
golden sluice
would be a bit different since everyone still remembers Rerir's bs
lean violet
Adding a 2nd layer of manipulation for no reason
modern bluff
would be a bit different since everyone still remembers Rerir's bs
Of course
But point is rerirs gonna learn not to be so selfish, help others
Yadda yadda
Not sacrifice others for his own goals
Look at what Wanderer did to save us instead of catching dottore off guard and killing him
lean violet
I'll believe it when I see it
Right now his ending is satisfying and complete
If they bring him back then I will change my stance
golden sluice
it's pretty much confirmed they will judging from datamines
modern bluff
Lmao even if he does escape and starts his redemption arc on teyvat it made me wonder where tf hes even gonna go
We have one more nation before khaenriah
Maybe hes gonna be wandering around
lean violet
it's pretty much confirmed they will judging from datamines
Same datamine people use to say "B-but Capitano playable model so he is playable!"
lean violet
Same datamine people use to say "B-but Capitano playable model so he is playable...
That didn't end well
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Same datamine people use to say "B-but Capitano playable model so he is playable...
did you play the last AQ?
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pretty much soft confirmed he's coming back in the last AQ
and his playable ID was never datamined last year
anyone who thought Capitano is playable in Natlan is an idiot
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probably
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Same datamine people use to say "B-but Capitano playable model so he is playable...
the same rhetoric used for justifying rerir weekly boss is used to identify dottore as the first weekly boss
golden sluice
I don't understand people who are fans of such characters and want them to be playable asap
I've always been of the opinion that Dottore should release as later as possible just because I want him to be story relevant a lot
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i get story wise it's a satisfying end but like are we gonna just pretend that hyv will pivot and add a new boss instead of rerir now
that's like even a lower chance to happen
lean violet
the same rhetoric used for justifying rerir weekly boss is used to identify dott...
As I said I'll believe it when I see it in game
The narrative for Rerir to come back has not been set up at all
If it is in the future I will rethink
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that too, but for me it's storywise, I also want them to be playable later because of the slight chance they might get the 8th element
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As I said I'll believe it when I see it in game
The narrative for Rerir to come...
we have two patches before 6.6
6.4 is varka and windblume so naur
6.5 is however, nicole
golden sluice
we have two patches before 6.6
6.4 is varka and windblume so naur
6.5 is howe...
6.5 is Linnea
6.6 is Nicole
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6.6 is Nicole
oooo even spicier
keeper of the snow maiden + former angel?
throw a sinner into a mix
golden sluice
keeper of the snow maiden + former angel?
so uhhhhhh apparently there's no Snegurochka
but 6.6 should be Rerir's weekly boss
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so uhhhhhh apparently there's no Snegurochka
like as it stands? hmm okay okay
does anyone know what's up with the extra datamined AQ quest though
golden sluice
like as it stands? hmm okay okay
we should be able to know in 6.5 beta so let's wait
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like iirc there's data for up to act 10
golden sluice
does anyone know what's up with the extra datamined AQ quest though
the most likely case is it's gonna be about Rerir's weekly boss
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like there's icons and codes about it
nod krai act 9 and 10 as interlude? hmmm
or postlude, if they ever decide to switch things up
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oh the flying thing around her?
that would be so goddamn lame
it is
they can do it well
but playable Snegurochka will always be infinitely better
yeah I remember
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for all we know it's closer to fischl oz
or guoba xiangling
snegurochka melted but someone kept her bathwater and made a machine with her essence
lean violet
The creature next to Linnea feels entirely too unserious to be a major lore entity like Snegurochka
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and linnea is the keeper
lean violet
The creature next to Linnea feels entirely too unserious to be a major lore enti...
Like it could be related but if it was actually Snegurochka that'd be an aura loss moment
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The creature next to Linnea feels entirely too unserious to be a major lore enti...
they haven't done a majestic companion yet
maybe snegurochka kit transforms her briefly into her full form
every companion turret unit in genshin is cute
oh
dang
lean violet
Ajaw is tiers below a lore entity like Snegurochka
lean violet
Relation to nibelung is not the only detail that matters, even if he is relatively close to Xiuhcoatl and Nibelung, his influence only limits to Natlan, and even then we know 0 things about what he achieved as one of those AI dragonlords because we can't even accurately know which one he is
He doesn't have lore grandeur beyond mere association
Tenth is the likely one but some room to be fourth
But neither has notable or impressive lore relations
I can't dictate what you would be fine with, just so far what is shown from the silhoutte it feels entirely too unserious for my taste
lean violet
Also Ajaw is allowed to be silly because he barely even does lore dumps
He has to be bullied in Ineffa story quest to make a peep
Now imagine that robot/creature thingy next to Linnea telling the tale of Ajax in full
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i did the AQ
it took me a while cause of some issues plus breaks and eating but oh my god
that was a lot
idk what to say
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ngl linnea is set up to be powerful if she really is snegurochka's keeper
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i fear they're making another meta sub dps unit with her
lean violet
i'm all ears
No you're all abs
gray raven
her soul is still there
lean violet
Tholindis body is dead the prison is just keeping her soul around
lean violet
Tholindis body is dead the prison is just keeping her soul around
Cause it's a prison
gray raven
honestly it's a direidyth moment
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limbo dead is hard because if that soul is in tact, it's still possibly retrievable and can be put in another vessel
if we go by genshin logic
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and i guess that AQ really was a taste of the closed loop
lean violet
limbo dead is hard because if that soul is in tact, it's still possibly retrieva...
Yes but also if people expect Rerir playable they won't make Tholindis playable because lovers
So Tholindis would probably just fade away in this version of events where Rerir playable
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Yes but also if people expect Rerir playable they won't make Tholindis playable ...
true but i talked a bit about it here how memories, soul, and vessels act as like separate entities in genshin
it's Schrodinger's Tholindis
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ngl
gray raven
i felt bad for rerir and tholindis tbh
also not to say i told you so
but
the way people were dooming about the preload leaks
lean violet
i felt bad for rerir and tholindis tbh
I mean you are expected to, though not overly so
They are in an eternal purgatory as consequence from their own choices
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an intact soul
a proper vessel
a preserved memory bank
then alchemy and technology badabing badaboom
gray raven
i expected dottore's death to be idk more final as in his body and a noise of anguish
i guess the implication is he got vaporised
but you know what they say
is it really a death when there's no body?
and yes rosalyne also did get vaporised but you also saw her literally turn to embers
columbina blasts him and then he's gone
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and yes rosalyne also did get vaporised but you also saw her literally turn to e...
ngl I'm sorry but...if they're gonna give dottore that angle it's so easy to actually make signora living being again
like...just putting it out there
golden sluice
there's quite a differenece between their deaths
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also the one who killed her is miss puppet creator 9000
golden sluice
we literally saw Signora turn to embers and get vanporized
Dottore just got blasted but that's it
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did ei confirm she obliterated her up to her soul
golden sluice
were the leaks wrong?
what leaks
gray raven
did they saw dottore dies as in vaporises or he has gruesome death cause there definitely was one a gruesome death
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or did she die in a way snegurochka did
golden sluice
did they saw dottore dies as in vaporises or he has gruesome death cause there d...
they said he got blasted along with Sandrone
lean violet
did ei confirm she obliterated her up to her soul
I mean no her soul should exist
But logically it would follow the Mond soul mechanic of being carried back to Mondstadt by the winds, where it enters the afterlife or whatever
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one became embers
one got melted
but guess what leaks say about melted dead fae
gray raven
they said he got blasted along with Sandrone
they got the details wrong then
lean violet
I mean no her soul should exist
But logically it would follow the Mond soul mec...
If you think Signora is likely to come back because "soul exists" then just about every character follows that logic
fossil furnace
I mean no her soul should exist
But logically it would follow the Mond soul mec...
yep i agree with this one
lean violet
If you think Signora is likely to come back because "soul exists" then just abou...
Guizhong coming back because soul not destroyed, Orobashi playable trust, Raiden Makoto playable just put dat soul into a new body!
fossil furnace
If you think Signora is likely to come back because "soul exists" then just abou...
and guess who's getting playable status because her soul got retrieved properly
gray raven
also sandrone's death honestly shocked me even though I knew it was coming
fossil furnace
golden sluice
also sandrone's death honestly shocked me even though I knew it was coming
yeah it was pretty graphic for their standards
gray raven
was that blood or oil?
fossil furnace
she's genshin's proof of "if they want to, they will"
gray raven
like jesus christ
golden sluice
was that blood or oil?
I remember it was the color of oil but I can't be sure
fossil furnace
like, hey, you read about zibai lore? isn't it crazy she's basically a death retcon
fossil furnace
like jesus christ
yas jesus zibai christ /j
gray raven
once again i think the leaks got it wrong
and this AQ is prove that resurrection is not what it seems
golden sluice
and this AQ is prove that resurrection is not what it seems
I remember seeing someone leaking that 6.3's AQ and Lantern rite quest show that ressurection is possible for a lot of characters
gray raven
also dottore's "date" with the traveler as was said
idk about you but that sequence was great
distant citrus
@ashen ocean holy shit man first angle's fate was cruel
Only good thing that happened to her after her imprisonment was boreus's company...
Such Tragedy...
lean violet
Amsvartnir, next to Varka's camp
distant citrus
Damn she felled nation at the commands of PO once
Angels or at least the first angle was involved in destruction of human kingdoms 
And she remembered Voyager only after meeting boreus...
No no much before the rebellion
Actually do the quest you'll find the notes
It's lore bombs
gray raven
i was going crazy playing that AQ
fossil furnace
wait omg if paimon is a segment of phanes
and phanes has been the program taking care of the twins throughout their travels
oh no...
oh gosh they're gonna pull an ineffa aino storyline but harder are they
that's not just the mc companion that's primordial ineffa
and we're the aino
lean violet
Talk to Tolfin again, he explains "Reed Miller" properly
fossil furnace
surprisingly we're the ones being taken care of
ever since the start...the one who fished us out of the water
distant citrus
@ashen ocean Holy shit...she's waiting for her reunion with the voyager at golden city
We'll probably free voyager in the future then
gray raven
arnold is gonna lose his fucking mind during the AQ
distant citrus
YES
gray raven
also i'm probably the only one but I read all the notes during the sandrone research
ALL OF THEM
distant citrus
Imprisoned or something
She's waiting for his freedom and them her reunion with him at golden city
gray raven
am i the only one?
distant citrus
We're probably the ones who gonna do it
"...I will return to my own lands and wait for the star beyond the stars, the one who holds my liberty in thrall. To sing in the nothingness of utter ruin is far more agreeable than to endure servitude beneath a false heavenly light.
...You whom my heart loves, you built this pale edifice for me, yet I am about to defy your edict and return to the lands whence we came from, which exist no more. I shall await the day freedom dawns upon you, just as you once so generously bestowed it upon me.
...No matter how many years may pass, or if the morning star should fade...
"
@ashen ocean inject it in your veins
lean violet
Yes the black haired boy was the 1st Reed Miller, Avrelian, who did the whole "steal from the governor" stuff
distant citrus
Morning star is related to angels which PO usurped
gray raven
why they make the moon sisters hot
distant citrus
I'm sure on this now
gray raven
also
distant citrus
Yes he's the one who sealed the place
distant citrus
Voyager 3rd descender traveler
All teaming up against PO
Avengers: celestia edition
I was roaming around casually when I got the angel quest
I immediately locked tf in
distant citrus
In terms of character development yes it is
Overall too it's up there with suneru and fontaine but since the cast are more hyped up so it's automatically better
gray raven
honestly at times
distant citrus
Like fontaine still had prison arc that bogged down
Meanwhile nod krai every act was good nothing felt slow to me at least
gray raven
nod krai aq was fontaine aq but better than fontaine's aq
distant citrus
Yup with much better character development
Like fontaine was already one of best aq there but nod krai just tops that
gray raven
ngl
i'm impressed
i don't think nod krai left any key detail unknown
they explained everything
distant citrus
blame hoyo for rushing the plot with bad pacing and weak character development
gray raven
without natlan nod krai wouldn't have happened
distant citrus
I defended her too then i read her character story
They really don't want to deny the accusation
lean violet
Well uhh he gets executed by the nobles of Snezhnaya after a noble friend of his convinces him to give up the life of crime and seek a pardon from the Belyi Tsar😭
That didn't go so well
gray raven
they really make you love to hate him
distant citrus
Don't get me wrong you can still write such character well into the story
But hoyo just doesn't know how to
Look at yi xuan from zzz she also suffers from the same
lean violet
Mavuika is not the same as Yi Xuan y'all crazy
Mavuika hate in 2026 pack it up already
distant citrus
Yes she isn't because unlike yi xuan mavuika actually remains in the story until the end
But her characterisation remains similar at least
distant citrus
I still enjoyed natlan for what it was but it could have been much better story wise
lean violet
After the quest when Tolfin says he's sticking around in Piramida for a while, you talk to him again and he tells you all this
Not the actual quest dialogue but the post-quest dialogue
gray raven
columbina's burst really was a spoiler huh
distant citrus
I don't see you having mavuika c2 r1 now do I?
lean violet
Yes except he also despawns from there not sure if he is there anymore since you left the area😭
distant citrus
Are you doing cognoscenti quest?
gray raven
i don't get the bina waifubait stuff
lean violet
I'm trying to find his dialogue online but it's hard to since it's not true quest dialogue
gray raven
feel like hoyo was pushing sandbina all along tbh
distant citrus
Reed's fate is written there no?
lean violet
I'm trying to find his dialogue online but it's hard to since it's not true ques...
Someone gotta put those dialogues into wiki
lean violet
I don't have full recalling of the exact things Tolfin said but the three Reed Millers were
Avrelian, some Frostmoon Scion who I have yet to identify, and the guy named Brahe
Ugh why'd that bastard Tolfin have to disappear from Piramida bro I need his dialogues
He's not in his old spot in Nasha Town either ugh
gray raven
so
what changed about dotttore
what did the preload miss?
explain
@ashen ocean also did dottore tear a hole in the false sky cause he could?
gray raven
being able to replay cutscenes is so good
brisk estuary
Ok so would someone explain to me one thing
If the traveler says that their ship traveled through teyvat once before but didn't landed why didn't asmoday acted at that time
Also if their ship emergency landed in nod krai and the traveler thinks that their sibling left during the first visit when the hell did the fight that happens in the very first cutscene even happens
I am more confused than i have ever been
Wait what?
gray raven
WHAT?
brisk estuary
So the first decender is there ships AI?
distant citrus
It's not literal
Don't confuse them
brisk estuary
It's given in the skin description?
gray raven
i understood the columbina closed loop way more than sandrone's research
brisk estuary
So what about the thing that the traveler said that lumine left the ship during their first visit
distant citrus
It's given in the skin description?
No
It describes the space ship ai but whether that ai is phanes is questionable
And only theory for now
brisk estuary
And its from where?
No this text
This text is from where
Oh
Interesting
So wouldn't it make the traveler the HP masters
brisk estuary
No
It describes the space ship ai but whether that ai is phanes is questionable...
I see
gray raven
wdym ai
brisk estuary
But overall this would explain the current AQ though
gray raven
wdym
brisk estuary
wdym
The ship thingy
As to why the ship had traveled from teyvat once
And why the siblings knew nothing of it
distant citrus
"At that time, The Winged One who tread upon morning stars and dwelt high above the moon became the Lord of the Eternal Heavens.
The Ark was moored, the matter of creation complete. "
The ark that brought PO landed on teyvat unlike traveler ship that didn't....
So as nice as the theory sounds of phanes being ship ai let's not make it a confirmation when it isn't
brisk estuary
Why not just show themselves
gray raven
"At that time, The Winged One who tread upon morning stars and dwelt high above ...
true
brisk estuary
Could explain why HP didn't wake up after all the stuff we have done
distant citrus
Spaceship still exist traveler went inside to check if the ai was missing he would notice no?
gray raven
has the moon in teyvat's sky changed at all?
gray raven
has the moon in teyvat's sky changed at all?
i haven't checked
distant citrus
I don't think it looks different the moon that is but then again I never paid attention to the moon
brisk estuary
I don't think it looks different the moon that is but then again I never paid at...
I also think the same
gray raven
it seems brighter than usual
brisk estuary
Like they were saying that the moon changed and stuff but it looks the same to me
gray raven
can we go back to the moon
brisk estuary
But then i play on mobile which isn't known for showing details
gray raven
so
where did columbina take us in the first selenic chronicle this patch
the moon's reflection or was the same space we travelled through to reach the moon?
brisk estuary
where did columbina take us in the first selenic chronicle this patch
Can't do it yet
gray raven
wdym
wonder if there are any differences in the open world
though i've noticed one already at least
distant citrus
There's also the fact that traveler twins already journeyed other planets before coming to teyvat
Unlike PO who's goal was to build a place for humanity traveler twins didn't have such goal nor their journey had anything to do with that....
Hmm okay so genetic vault did exist alongside the twins...
Are those previous journey of traveler also fake then?
If the ship was carrying the human ark why don't they remember it?
distant citrus
No they specifically says their journey involved other civilization where they met people
distant citrus
And teyvat was supposed to be similar where they would meet the people and leave afterwards until they got stuck by asmoday
gray raven
did they ever explain columbina's wings in the AQ
what is it?
somber dagger
flirtatious mofucker oh my goodness
distant citrus
Which begs the question again why not use the ark in those other planets?
somber dagger
i was standing there when he started making moves on sandrone WHILE having a twink at home waiting for him
like are you mad?!?
flins
i gasped loud asf
like ref is this a legal move
he’s moments away from saucing up everybody and their mom
oh anyways
about the aq
distant citrus
Yes but traveler says they've already been to other planets before coming to teyvat and met the people
So why not use the ark on those civilization?
distant citrus
Unless that's fake memories
somber dagger
so what im understanding is that aethers skin is a matching set with lumines default and vise versa?
gray raven
was columbina's burst animation an AQ spoiler all along?
gray raven
was columbina's burst animation an AQ spoiler all along?
@ashen ocean
somber dagger
was columbina's burst animation an AQ spoiler all along?
yup
distant citrus
There's also the twin when did they depart from ship?
somber dagger
since beforehand she wasnt the trilunar thingy
gray raven
i swear the flowers are bigger now
somber dagger
There's also the twin when did they depart from ship?
possibly one of the first times they passed by teyvat
distant citrus
Yeah then another question comes to mind how do they fit into the whole PO business
gray raven
wdym no
distant citrus
If they came alongside them
gray raven
how powerful is she now
somber dagger
well she has the powers of three moon goddesses
also idk how to powerscale
so u do the math
gray raven
no she still has it
gray raven
she lives in nod krai now so technically she still has access to her power, i think she still has the trilunar authority
i think that's part of her new powers
wait
did you do the selenic chronicles afterward?
@ashen ocean
modern bluff
oh shit u reminded me i gotta look at the selenic chronicles
somber dagger
is the dottore morse code thing even real?? i heard that its fake and that somebody used ai to add it to their screenshot to trick dottore fans
modern bluff
is the dottore morse code thing even real?? i heard that its fake and that someb...
i think it was fake
NICEEE\
somber dagger
WALLAHI UR LUCK SPREADS TO ME
modern bluff
I didnt even know there was morse code
gray raven
idk it could be fake
somber dagger
everybody doing the new selenic but i cant because i didnt do like any of the 6.1 ones
so now i gotta catch up
modern bluff
no idea
gray raven
y'know i realised
somber dagger
idk someone figure it out cuz i wanna be nice and say take off the mask but in reality i want her to put that shit back on
spice creek
My blessings are not up for grabs bro.
spice creek
not even for lil ol me
Who even are you bro.
gray raven
any columbina hater who's skipping her has used her power in the some shape and form in nod krai so jokes on them 
somber dagger
Who even are you bro.
your ender
gray raven
did the silvermoon hall change after the AQ?
modern bluff
yes
spice creek
Goddamnit.
modern bluff
if you do the selenic chronicles
somber dagger
i heard blue flowers are permanent
spice creek
your ender
Alright.
spice creek
wait no come back
What.
gray raven
if you do the selenic chronicles
wdym changed
somber dagger
queen i got a stale bag of chips somewhere in my backpack
is that good enough
pls speed i need ts
modern bluff
wdym changed
well theres more stuff added to it and you do a fun little thing with columbina
so thats what i mean by changed
spice creek
pls speed i need ts
distant citrus
@ashen ocean
"When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth...
... The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature. But for the world to be created, the egg's shell had to be broken. However, Phanes, the Primordial One, used the eggshell to separate the "universe" and the "microcosm of the world."
Try to convert this with AI analogy... What happened here then?
gray raven
so thats what i mean by changed
did they change the appearance of it?
somber dagger
https://tenor.com/view/ranaels-columbina-columbina-genshin-columbina-speed-colum...
why r u trying not to laugh thats disrespectful as shit bro
modern bluff
did they change the appearance of it?
yea, they added some things to it
but its not a drasticly different change
spice creek
gray raven
the flowers seem like they've bloomed more
spice creek
why r u trying not to laugh thats disrespectful as shit bro
I thought we left ts in 2026, we in 2027 bro.
somber dagger
I thought we left ts in 2026, we in 2027 bro.
omg brah just bless me
modern bluff
oh ok
the eye mask thing for columbina
not permanent
you can choose if she should wear it or not
gray raven
wait fr?
spice creek
omg brah just bless me
Hell nah.
modern bluff
so the one after 6.3 AQ
gray raven
the one where you paint with her on the water?
somber dagger
actually ykw
modern bluff
the one where you paint with her on the water?
yep
somber dagger
come outside lets fight
gray raven
i swear they changed the silvermoon hall
modern bluff
near the dumpster
gray raven
the flowers look different
modern bluff
maybe tehre is a change i didnt see too closely
somber dagger
yo can u guys fight somewhere else
idk twin it sound like YOU want the smoke too
somber dagger
https://tenor.com/view/robin-hsr-gif-15643187980233564376
modern bluff
idk twin it sound like YOU want the smoke too
i dont want no beef but its funny watching people fight
spice creek
i dont want no beef but its funny watching people fight
Nah you in the beef now, we starting discord drama.
modern bluff
NOOOOOOO
distant citrus
Would eggshells represent the ship then? Because that's where PO came from?
And then he use that eggshell to create the false sky...so he used the ai to create it?
Then PO would be an avatar of the said spaceship?
modern bluff
okay putting it in spoilers if people dont wanna get spoiled ||the latest selenic chronicles columbina meets you without her eye mask. after showing you that she changed silevermoon hall to include the three moons she invites you to draw on the water and recreate luonnotar again. then at the end theres an option to talk to one of the kuuhenki and decide if columbina should wear her eye mask or not, probably when you enter and see her every week||
distant citrus
Well logs were missing too so we don't even know what happened during it's first arrival
gray raven
@ashen ocean remember my theory about columbina's lullaby
distant citrus
There's still something missing here...
modern bluff
could be worse
distant citrus
Looks like it but abyss twin is still the big check mark.. They too should have arrived at the same time as PO then...Where were they in all this chaos since then and only appear in khanerriah which is too late in timeline...
modern bluff
at least its not bullshit term sickness with star rail and amphoreus
i can understand what a moon is
not whatever all of fulis candidates are
seed of amsranva or whatever
distant citrus
Fuli is the aeon that will be born at the end of times
Child of anasrava are those who have potential to ascend as fuli
gray raven
also the lore about kuuvahki isn't wrong after the AQ
distant citrus
What lore?
modern bluff
that its part of columbina?
distant citrus
Yet they came from outside the ship without the ship door being opened....
So clearly they came before
modern bluff
damn anything couldve happened there
distant citrus
Power of space? you mean Asmoday?
modern bluff
or the royal court
distant citrus
Pierro wasn't in charge of anything at that time so doubt it's him
Hroptatyr neither cause at that time he didn't have the sinners power
modern bluff
regardless, whatever ruling body was in charge at the time of khaenriah accepted the sibling
distant citrus
But sibling already had arrived before that's the point
The one who got summoned was traveler
And recent ship records say the ship arrived twice in teyvat once during khanerriah and other long long time ago
Which people are assuming is when PO came because he's the ship ai...
So he should come along side the ai too
No they never came out of the ship until the sibling came from outside and broke them out of the stasis
And the ship only landed 500 years ago in nod krai
The first time it didn't even land just stopped for some time and left
True but how did sibling arrive from outside the ship is the question....
And if 8k years ago when the ai supposedly left the ship that's the only time he could get out
You got source for that? I don't remember...
And by 500 years I mean before cataclysm happened
somber dagger
ppl on tiktok are saying that the glitch at the end was different for them
distant citrus
somber dagger
some ppl claim that they got asmoday cube-like glitches instead
distant citrus
I thought that was after they left the ship
Do you think when khanerrian summoned they didn't summon the ship but the sibling themselves so they just teleported without opening the door or something
somber dagger
yknow who carried nod krais story??
cool your jets ducky
like im so fr without aino, dottore wouldve been impossible to beat
they should add that to his kit
thats lunar traveler
his ult spawns ainos ult instead
gray raven
wtf is act 9 and 10 of nod krai gonna be
somber dagger
wdym there hasnt been any new electro visions in 2 years??
and we know that theyre giving out electro visions again cuz we saw ineffa get one
WAIR
OHHHH
SHE GOT A MOON WHEEL
THATS NOT A VISION
OHHH
they got theirs post inazuma?
gray raven
is nod krai over?
somber dagger
is nod krai over?
nope
lean violet
@ashen ocean okay I've finally gotten more understanding
So we have three people in history who have more or less legitimately held the name Reed Miller
First, Avrelian, the boy in the flashback, who was also the destined heir of the Frostmoon Scions, robbed the governor by tricking the governor's son (Brahe) into accessing the riches. This was the Reed Miller that Rotwang was also trying to ally with to gain access to the SAMPO. Avrelian dies after being convinced by a noble friend of his (Sylvester maybe? The other boy in the flashback) to denounce the Treasure Hoarders and seek a pardon from the Tsar. Doesn't end well and they execute him.
The second Reed Miller is Alia, who took up the mantle after Avrelian dies via execution. Alia later dies defeating Rotwang with Solovei.
The third Reed Miller is Brahe, the son of the governor Avrelian robbed. Brahe fell in love with Alia and joined the Treasure Hoarders due to her. Later he takes up the mantle, and is the one to create the story of the great treasure and spread around the Proofs of Cognoscenti. This was also the Reed Miller who was active in relation to the recent apocalypse bunker stuff, helping the researcher Grazina evacuate people from there.
gray raven
@ashen ocean did you like act 5 and 6?
lean violet
<@765806676111917096> okay I've finally gotten more understanding
So we have th...
From the apocalypse bunker quest, we get an accurate and very exact time statement, which tells us that the apocalypse bunker stuff happened 450 years ago btw, so that's the time Brahe was Reed Miller
somber dagger
X
lean violet
I love how 1/3rd of the new island is just Mondstadt lore😭
Due to the Bloodstained Knight, Boreas and the expedition all having activity there
Not right now but he went through there on his journey
gray raven
apparently some people don't understand the columbina time shenanigans?
lean violet
Not right now but he went through there on his journey
The wolf phantoms there are from his group of knights
Well no there's texts there about one of the knights with him already questioning whether this ruthless approach to purging evil is correct
modern bluff
yknow who carried nod krais story??
They saw people conplain about HMC with rerir boss fight so they just gave them a better ult
burnt vortex
I'm really disappointed by the writing quality in the most recent nod krai quest and was wondering if anyone here felt the same way? Like 80% of it just felt like fantasy bullshit that doesnt make any sense at all. I usually give some lenience to the genre cause, you know, magic in itself doesnt make sense. But time travel was really the explanation to our mysterious helper & even the existence of "Kuuvahki"? Idk it just felt like the writers had no clue how to handle such grand subjects, especially when it came to defeating Dottore at his maximum power.
That being said I am still intrigued by our defeating of dottore likely not being final. And I really doubt Sandrone is gone for good lol
burnt vortex
its mainly the going back in time stuff
in order for columbina to have gone back in time and done those things, she wouldve required the circumstances and sequence of events that led to her going back in time
like if im just told that sure i can believe that
but then have the power of music follow logic of course
modern bluff
VENTIIIIII-
burnt vortex
dont just have it triumph everything without restriction or reason
modern bluff
no but its true
Are you confused by columbinas plan?
Does this explain it better
gray raven
mysterious helper being columbina is such an insane reveal
burnt vortex
Are you confused by columbinas plan?
no im not confused by it
its just the concept of time travel alone being completely illogical without either declaring multiple timelines or declaring that fate is inevitable
modern bluff
I have to assume we as traveler helped her defy her fate as a descender
burnt vortex
and i think time travel in general without it being an entire premise that is thoroughly explored in media is lazy writing
yep and i hated it then too
i always roll my eyes at it when its used to explain a long term mystery
i didnt know ab inazuma
if the latter is true then it kind of makes our entire story unsatisfying but it is what it is i guess
i guess its just my own speculation that the writers felt trapped and felt the need to do that
but that just means that wasnt fontaines real fate 😭
thats your interpretation
distant citrus
No the writers use the time dimension concept
It's a hoyo thing they don't go time as linear
clever vault
distant citrus
Past present future all exist at the same time
burnt vortex
thats not how interpretation works
theres canon facts and theres your opinion of it
distant citrus
It's how they've shown time in their two other games
burnt vortex
if everything the game tells you is absolutely true then nothing in teyvat will ever make sense
lmaoo
distant citrus
And genshin is also part of said verse most likely so
burnt vortex
It's how they've shown time in their two other games
yeah I think theyve done it way better in their other games personally
even though Ive literally quit honaki star rail bc of their terrible endings to each of their nations (imo)
i think sunday as a character was more compelling than dottore despite their similarities so far
respectfully, im not confused on any of the story
theres no need to explain it to me
distant citrus
If you did simulanka just do the same for teyvat
burnt vortex
im just unsatisfied with it
and as i said time travel isnt the only point of irritation for me, i just figured thatd be the easiest thing to agree upon so i brought it up first here lol
gray raven
genshin time travel is pretty straightforward and less bullshit I feel
distant citrus
It's just how they've made their universe
Can't do anything about it
clever vault
gray raven
also they've been dropping hints about manipulating time for years now
distant citrus
genshin time travel is pretty straightforward and less bullshit I feel
The concept is the same just the words used are different
clever vault
genshin time travel is pretty straightforward and less bullshit I feel
Agree
gray raven
like even mavuika said she thinks the past, present and future exist simultaneously
columbina in the nod krai teaser says "in the water the future mirrors the past."
burnt vortex
It's just how they've made their universe
Can't do anything about it
oh yeah definitely agree that all of the problems i have with genshins writing cant really be rectified anymore lol
gray raven
columbina in the nod krai teaser says "in the water the future mirrors the past....
it's been there all along
burnt vortex
but i still think its good to discuss the flaws in writing even if theyre past the point of fixing, to learn what would be more satisfying in other media we consume
not like gacha stories are really meant to be prime storytelling anyway tho lol
its kind of expected after story quests are released on a schedule for 5 years straight
distant citrus
Have you seen the movie Interstellar?
I always use that analogy to explain the whole time travel stuff in hoyo games
burnt vortex
dottores character felt so watered down yeah
the way none of the characters addressed his philosophy other than calling him a psychopath was infuriating
gray raven
The concept is the same just the words used are different
what's the difference then
burnt vortex
especially since traveler says something that aligns with his vision towards the end of the quest.. and criticizes the heavenly principles while doing the same as them lmao
yeah and the characters are completely against him ascending to godhood with no other explanation than simply disliking him
which for a kids cartoon is fine, dont let the evil man get powerful
but i was kind of hoping genshins story would be a little above a kids cartoon especially since i had to sit through approximately 6h of dialogue about it
distant citrus
what's the difference then
Writing the dialogue used to explain the concept
In honkai they use more sci fi language with physics terminology
This confuses a lot of people
Genshin uses simple and more fantasy dialogue to explain it albeit there's still some scientific terminology but it's very few in comparison
gray raven
Writing the dialogue used to explain the concept
In honkai they use more sci fi ...
kinda like time travel in prisoner of azkaban
burnt vortex
Have you seen the movie Interstellar?
I always use that analogy to explain the ...
no I havent, but like I said, Im not confused about the story at all. The concept itself just defies logic & makes characters involved all-powerful
dottores character was def my favorite from this quest overall
rerir i also felt a little bothered by but i could get over it as an isolated thing
the tragedy of him and tholindis has its own twisted beauty, so i can admire that even if i didnt like how they went about his mini redemption. or whatever u want to call it
gray raven
there was no redemption
distant citrus
no I havent, but like I said, Im not *confused* about the story at all. The conc...
It's irl explanation of how time works as 4th dimension
Hoyo loves borrowing from irl physics
They then juxtapose it with their fantasy setting
It's weird I guess but if you understand some irl stuff on this it starts making sense in the story aspect at least
burnt vortex
there was no redemption
thats why i said or whatever u want to call it
just him feeling remorse at all felt shoehorned in, and it honestly wasnt necessary for columbina to have that conversation with tholindis in my opinion.. anyone sane would want to tell her the truth about her husband
ya agreed, reform or rehab
burnt vortex
It's irl explanation of how time works as 4th dimension
Hoyo loves borrowing fro...
all that doesnt make sense about it is the fact its just a loop like
it would make sense if columbina didnt need all the circumstances she set up in the past in order to reach the past in the first place lol
lean violet
yeah and the characters are completely against him ascending to godhood with no ...
Idk man part of the guy's recruitment speech was: Hey we're super strong, we can kill people for fun, isn't having absolute power great
Dottore operates like everyone else should become pure pragmatists like he is, valuing moral stances at nothing
There isn't an innate need to refute someone's arguments to deny them, I can acknowledge that yes an omnipotent being could in theory do anything to those below them, but that doesn't mean it should be done or that people want to do that
He is a psychopath and that is a valid argument against him, trying to make people "see his point of view" is not really an important aspect here
lean violet
Idk man part of the guy's recruitment speech was: Hey we're super strong, we can...
Dottore utterly fails at marketing his philosophy, it's not on other people to see any reason in it if all Dottore uses his powers and authority for is to torture people just because he can
burnt vortex
Idk man part of the guy's recruitment speech was: Hey we're super strong, we can...
he did have compelling parts of his argument though. he offered creating a fake reality without suffering, which is something hoyo has vaguely addressed in their other games. and at the end of act 8 traveler even says they are not concerned with the truth of teyvat and that itd be their home regardless.. which kind of affirms exactly what dottore was saying
and while i agree that in a life or death situation in reality, you wouldnt be debating your godlike opponent, this is a story. everything is supposed to have meaning and reflect a greater message. but dottores entire character really doesnt have any message other than "dont be evil"
gray raven
dottore did have a big presence in nod krai as a whole and even during this quest, I don't think he was underutilised at all plus he will probably return in some shape of form in the future
lean violet
he did have compelling parts of his argument though. he offered creating a fake ...
It is one thing to acknowledge that you wouldn't necessarily care and another to actively rewrite reality like that yourself
Being an active vs passive participant is a huge difference
burnt vortex
It is one thing to acknowledge that you wouldn't necessarily care and another to...
I disagree with that, and if thats what hoyoverse was aiming to tell the player, I think they spectacularly failed
gray raven
dottore's entire philosophy and worldview is deeply flawed
distant citrus
Rerir having gained his sanity and seeing tholindis afterwards and being stuck in the moon reflection gave him enough time to reflect
His goal of finding her was complete and he couldn't do anything beyond anyway
burnt vortex
stories are supposed to address the villain's flawed views of the world. stories challenge those views to teach their reader why its wrong. genshins story taught nothing. thats my tldr on dottore this quest, but i do think there is an opportunity to expand and improve on that in future quests
lean violet
It is one thing to acknowledge that you wouldn't necessarily care and another to...
Traveler would not start hating Teyvat and its people even if its nature was revealed to be something else
But Traveler would also not actively allow Dottore to change the world into one where Dottore's laws have always been fact
gray raven
dottore is a hypocrite, a lunatic and a heretic
burnt vortex
Traveler would not start hating Teyvat and its people even if its nature was rev...
yeah and what does that teach the reader exactly? lol
golden sluice
sup
burnt vortex
definitely not a hypocrite, he is pretty straight forward about what he does and believes in
lean violet
Dottore provides seemingly pragmatical suggestions and solutions, not caring for the fact that people want more than what is "factually" the correct "solution" for every problem
He offers to force the Traveler's sibling to arrive then and there, to spill every secret
But the Traveler already knows the Sibling wants to meet them at a specific time, after the Traveler has reached a specific understanding of Teyvat, their goal isn't just to "find our sibling at this moment no matter the cost"
golden sluice
yeah second act Dottore feels very out of character honestly
first act Dottore is very good tho
that's what I'm coping ablut
about*
ikr
distant citrus
I think this quote from Columbia sums it up perfectly
"There was a time when "The Doctor" took care of me, even claiming to think of me as a sister.
It was only later that I discovered, the closer you are to him, the more freely he uses you. "What's a little discomfort among family? We endure for each other, surely." That's how he thought of things, and I could tell he meant it, but I didn't want to have to "endure." Expectations like that... They took me back to my first home, and the eyes staring up at me from beneath the altar, so full of greed."
gray raven
I think this quote from Columbia sums it up perfectly
"There was a time when "T...
where is this from
distant citrus
where is this from
Columbina qoutes
It's the same reason why he wanted traveler
He couldn't care less about him but only about his status as descender which made him special and worth experimenting
gray raven
isn't he just toying with them
lean violet
isn't he just toying with them
Yes
He is a psychopath, he enjoys flaunting power, doing things just because he can
gray raven
he was pretty much unstoppable at this point
lean violet
He is a psychopath, he enjoys flaunting power, doing things just because he can
He does not undergo a change of character or anything, he is constantly doing stuff like this
All the way in Sumeru he is literally introduced manipulating the minds of the public just because he could, he didn't need to he just wanted to test that shit
Sending monsters to the people opposing him, people he deliberately locked down in Nod-Krai with his curse, is well in character
I get that Dottore is a complex character
But he is also a simple character, acting on his whims with no restraint, and having a tendency to use violence against people just because
gray raven
i like to think the traveler opposing him so fiercely angered him as well
sounds like all your complaints are complaining for the sake of complaining
as for dottore's fate
lean violet
sounds like all your complaints are complaining for the sake of complaining
Some people really think Dottore is a better person than he is I'm afraid
And like what is the problem with that I love that he's a freak with no morals
gray raven
he's an awful person
modern bluff
He's clever and hes manipulative and his words would have hit us if we didnt have so many memories and fond experiences of teyvat
gray raven
which is why he lost
modern bluff
exactly
its corny and simple to say power of friendship defeated him but thats kinda what did
the narcissenkruz ordo, nod krai, us with columbina
Dottore has never experienced having proper genuine friends
Just people to use
Resources
somber dagger
oomf is trying to act like a victim for mass spoiling the quest to hundreds of people
these ppl in the replies are so funny omg they cursing her bloodline and her future pulls and everything
somber dagger
sandrones death
deserved but i dont wanna be the one to say it
esp since the comments alr are
slender haven
Sending monsters to the people opposing him, people he deliberately locked down ...
He also just swapped people's minds with animals for no fucking reason
Like what would he learn from that
lean violet
He also just swapped people's minds with animals for no fucking reason
Well he clearly learned what happens when you force a human mind into an animal, silly
Now what does he use that knowledge for, who knows, but hey if he's a god he can do whatever he pleases, right
We are the silly people for not wanting to torture people for our amusement and curiosity, he is just misunderstood fr😔
slender haven
Well he clearly learned what happens when you force a human mind into an animal,...
Pretty much
He's like Wheatley at the end of Portal 2
Just doing whatever the fuck he wants regardless if it destroys everything around him
golden sluice
that's why I think some of his writing was butchered
there was absolutely no reason to do all of that
and he never was a person to do something without reason
modern bluff
i mean the energy bubbles were for something, they were gonna swallow nod krai whole
why the people inside turned to animals tho
or regressed
ACTUALLY WTF HAPPENED TO THOSE PEOPLE
ARE THEY LIKE DEAD
golden sluice
who knows, they just said experiments and didn't elaborate
modern bluff
i dont remember if they even elaborated on saving them or what happened to em
outer kraken
I think it's safe to assume the damage permanent
When their minds got transferred no more saving them
stable glen
outer kraken
Wanderer did say they only stayed beside their bodies cause of instinct
tawdry blade
Regarding the 2nd ending screen, I dont doubt Dottore not having a clone of course. I think it mean the Heavenly Principle or shade is doing something especially with how Teyvat is acting like a computer. the ending screen on moon isnt glitching because the moon isnt affected my Teyvat system
I think it is very braindead to think "blue circuit is exclusive to Dottore only"
tawdry blade
Also saw the whole morse code thing,heard it debunked but it is funny ngl
Genshin dont do morse code,they used Teyvat special language instead
sterile shale
I'd like to think the blue circuits could have to do with irminsul tbh
gloomy meteor
so wait is dottorre dead now?
sterile shale
Don't know
gloomy meteor
cause he just like dissipated without on screen knowledge lmao
genuinely praying he didn’t
although after this story quest i don’t think it’s possible for redemption for him anymore
even with “nice segments”
sterile shale
He has ability to clone so not dead is a possibility
gloomy meteor
yeah just holy shit
sterile shale
Dottore hears boss music
gloomy meteor
highkey he has the best design out of all the previous harbinger fights imo
gloomy meteor
i pray 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
sterile shale
Glitching could be irminsul
So it could mean dottore tampering with irminsul?
Who knows
gloomy meteor
the only thing that’s confused me so far has been dottore opening the sky with the moon, was the same design as the unknown god, as he even mentioned her.
Is it just the power of the iridescent moon?
sterile shale
I heard somewhere that before the HP came around the three moons had authority over time space life death and reason
So could be that
I recall in the quest he did mention about these too when we're inside his domain expansion so yeah
gloomy meteor
LMAO yeah
honestly couldn’t be more psyched for the next installments
my only question is 1: is this where the AQ ends and 2: what are they gonna do with the rest of the harbingers
sterile shale
I'd like to think the glitching refers to something in irminsul has been tampered
Could be dottore doing something like
"Delete last save file and return to previous checkpoint"
gloomy meteor
like a makeshift samsara?
sterile shale
Since Irminsul works like a database. Not sure if it goes as far to that extent tho
Nah like a video game save file
gloomy meteor
that’s crazy
sterile shale
Lmao yeah
Go into the save file codes
Remove that line of code where it saved the version where dottore died
gloomy meteor
i can’t wait to see the next acts already !!
craggy mist
lmao, Alia not a fae after all, Illuga just dumb. 
sterile shale
I have a lingering question tho
I'm not sure if I like
Did a genshin players can't read moment
slender haven
there was absolutely no reason to do all of that
I mean he chopped up the kids Crucabena gave him for no reason.
sterile shale
But how did the spaceship end up on the moon?
Who put it there
Didn't it crash onto nod krai?
slender haven
Who put it there
The HP
slender haven
Yeah
Even the Traveler is confused
sterile shale
And idk why the traveler didn't question how it got there
Bro just went in
Grabbed a costume
slender haven
And idk why the traveler didn't question how it got there
They did
sterile shale
"Hey Bina, you like my new fit?"
craggy mist
Didn't they basically say the Heavenly Principles did it?
slender haven
Columbina just didn't know why
sterile shale
Hmmmm
Okay maybe I did get a genshin players can't read moment
Also prolly coz it was 3:30 am when I did it
And I just rushed through the entire thing coz I wanted to sleep lmao
gray raven
And I just rushed through the entire thing coz I wanted to sleep lmao
need to stop doing that
next nod krai AQ is probably gonna be about Linnea
tawdry blade
I'd like to think the blue circuits could have to do with irminsul tbh
Could be. The frostmoon is like an unknown app that need HP approval which is probably why it glitch
Notice that the screen glitching is pointed at the moon
People focus on Dottorr and not that the ending screen is pointed at the moon
The first ending screen is pointed at Earth/Teyvat,which didnt glitch 
sterile shale
People focus on Dottorr and not that the ending screen is pointed at the moon
Could be. Tho we don't know too much about the frost moon for now
Could be other possibilities too honestly. I don't wanna be too fixated on dottore
Tho I agree that it's not that simple as that to wipe him out that easily
Yeah ik
But we're just talking about the glitching
Not whether he's survived the fight or not
The glitching could refer to something else
But I'm quite positive he survived the fight there
I'd like to think bro isn't as shallow as to not have a backup plan in case things go wrong
Bro is a fucking researcher who made creations that reached godhood more than once
Could be that he transferred his consciousness and mind to one of his other clones (not sure if he's capable of doing something like that). Could also just be a version of his clone that we were fighting lmao. Even though he agreed he'd wipe his clones when making the agreement with nahida. Let's be real, do we think he really would've done it?
Don't remember honestly but yeah I googled and still don't remember lmao all I know is scara stuff ig
Hinted way too many times in the quest where he talked about fighting dirty
Wouldn't be surprised if he just wiped them out and recreated more so
Bro is just underhanded like that
But yeah honestly even if he was on his real body
Without the last moon he wouldn't have been able to fight the entire cast
Especially after Bina had the Trilune authority
Since he didn't have the last moon marrow
Bro was Thanos but didn't get the last infinity stone
And Columbina was Thor just smacking the shit out of him
pallid otter
Ok, so... the Sibling exited the ship thousands of years ago, somehow became recorded in Irminsul and lost their memories, showed up in Khaenri'ah several hundred years ago, woke the Traveler up, and that's when the opening cutscene takes place?
sterile shale
Don't think it's as strong yeah
As the real moon marrow
She's like
Neuv after Neuv regained his hydro sovereign authority
Lmfaoooo
But she gets Trilune authority instead
Which I think is actually stronger than hydro sovereign?
Lmfaooo
Cooked
Lore wise I assume but yeah
Bro why did Rerir get like
Some post nut clarity shit in that domain
Well kinda interested to see how he will play out later on