・genshin-spoilers

[distant citrus]

What was the name again?

Yeah thoth

About that PO and traveler spaceship that you were talking about
What was it?

Oh that
Hmm doesn't make sense
Why would he hide the spaceship if he was the AI inside

And wouldn't traveler have sensed something after finding the ship

From stored record or something

Also the outift description mentions how spaceship has its own AI

It already existed since the beginning

I know and I'm saying it's not phanes
We already know his description

The other fact is that PO was the one who hid the spaceship on the moon
Now how would an AI physically transport it... Doesn't make sense

The same goes for other stuff like shades they are physical being how would AI create them out of themselves?

There's also what Canon said about them that they had irrational fear of anyone wanting too much power or something

An AI wouldn't have irrational fear...

True but still I don't believe it simply for the fact that shades exist and they're not AI

I think you're looking too much into it
It's just normal spaceship AI that checks for the condition of planet before descending while the twins slept inside
Kinda like auto pilot

I saw in cutscene but I didn't check afterwards

[clever vault]

[flat hearth]

DIE DOTTORE DIE

[distant citrus]

Yes

[craggy mist]

https://tenor.com/view/miracle-max-princess-bride-mostly-dead-all-dead-oygente-gif-12754873

[long crest]

imma be real

genshin writing has gotten WAY fucking better

holy shit

that was the best goddamn quest in the entire game

and it isn't even remotely close

holy

[golden sluice]

it's definitely way better

Dottore's writing was good in the first act but the more screentime he got the more cliche he felt

Rerir in 6.1 tho was stellar

from beginning to end

do we not know who sang the lullaby to Columbina yet

[slender haven]

I COMPLETED THE QUEST

It was pretty damn good

[slender haven]

It was awesome

The reveals were crazy too
Especially the end

[slender haven]

How's FatuiHQ taking it lol

[golden sluice]

half half

some are good with it some are bothered by how Dottore's writing took a nose dive in the second act

I'd say most are satisfied but it's closer to a 50/50

also a lot of them believe he's still alive so they aren't bothered much by it

[craggy mist]

I mean Dottore is no Fandaniel, but I think they're doing the metatextual nihilist villain who is asking you why you play video games well enough. I'd give it a Zenos at least.

I guess the fact they have more planned for him means they couldn't dive deep into the character for the second half.

We'll see if he ends up with an Otto Apocalypse moment or something later on

[golden sluice]

I hope so, I really liked his conversation with the traveler but the more he went on the more cliche he felt and the second act is worse

[golden sluice]

maybe

I'm a huge Dottore fan but I hate coping

I don't want to become another Capitano/Signora coper so as long as the game treats him dead he's dead for me

at least Capitano got a nice confirmation if you can call it that

[craggy mist]

We betray, we torment, we murder. We are wicked, spiteful creatures -- without exception! If life is so sacred, so precious, why fill it with such misery?

Like this bit is just stronger.

But also they closed that character out.

(Final Fantasy not Genshin)

[pallid otter]

I haven't finished the AQ yet, Columbina's just about to create a barrier to deflect the kuuvaki

BUT

[slender haven]

When has he.....not acted like that though

[pallid otter]

I'm realizing... she's probably Lunatar

And just saying this now so I can see if I was right or wrong later lol

[golden sluice]

not as extreme and they took the evil scientist trope to a max

[slender haven]

I mean he was on cloud 9
Literally on top of the world

[golden sluice]

he's arrogant and has a superiority complex but a god complex is an entire other thing

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-gif-20605188

[golden sluice]

and he literally said it in the first act

[slender haven]

Well he literally was a God at that point

[golden sluice]

fleeing is better than surrendering

[slender haven]

That was a taunt
Since he cursed most of them

[golden sluice]

if he's a god at point shouldn't it be boost his intelligence tho

[slender haven]

Not really

[golden sluice]

he also meant it

[golden sluice]

I don't mean it literally

[slender haven]

Well most of Nod-Krai did flee

[craggy mist]

The trick about god characters in fantasy fiction is they're interesting because power does not fix character flaws.

[golden sluice]

he's a god yes but that shouldn't have made him abandon most of his intelligence

he doesn't feel very intelligent in the second act

could be because he's very confident

[craggy mist]

Or just fiction in general honestly. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."

[golden sluice]

but even back in Sumeru when he was against Nahida and knew he could obliterate her he didn't do ts

they took his trope to the max frankly

I don't like the direction

maybe there's more

but he's dead now

[slender haven]

You guys have the easiest excuse to bring him back though

[golden sluice]

eh

I don't like coping

I did so last year with Capitano and

well it paid off

[craggy mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dottore-dottore-genshin-dottore-hot-genshin-impact-genshin-dottore-gif-26182123

[golden sluice]

but took a while

and Capitano is a nice guy

unlike Dottore

[slender haven]

HELL YEAH IT DID

[craggy mist]

see everyone in 2 years, maybe.

[golden sluice]

hopefully

@craggy mist @slender haven do you two believe Dottore's dead

[slender haven]

Nah

I hate on him
But like

Secret good segment

[golden sluice]

I preferred it if u said he's dead

[craggy mist]

No. Look at how they ended AQ ||they are actually teasing some version is still around.||

[golden sluice]

true

that end is an oddity

first time they've done such a thing

it also has his patterns

well I waited for Capitano, I can wait for Dottore

no biggie

[slender haven]

Well he was still trying to get the Traveler to work with him ig

[golden sluice]

yeah but still, I don't find his writing was very good after the first act

ignore that

do you have a theory

about Capitano now?

a new theory

[slender haven]

Uh kinda
Project Stuzha is related to him definitely

Idk how

[golden sluice]

it must be

[slender haven]

But Millistein was Thrain's sword in mythology

[golden sluice]

yeah that's why I asked you about it

I assumed you already

read about it

[slender haven]

Doesn't debunk my Anfortas idea though

[golden sluice]

he is inspired by multiple norse characters after all

but wow

[slender haven]

Also Columbina's voice line about Capitano is in the present tense
Very good

[golden sluice]

we really got a confirmation Capitano is back and he'll still be a Fatui

I can't believe this

[slender haven]

People are getting crazy with the "this Harbinger will leave the Fatui" shit

[golden sluice]

if you had told me this a few months ago I wouldn't believe you

[slender haven]

Columbina broke their minds

[golden sluice]

can you blame them honestly

[craggy mist]

I mean they outright say he was working on it, while also making it clear all his trilunary authority stuff was his side project long before this.

[slender haven]

You mean Dottore or Cap

[craggy mist]

Oh, Dottore. Apologies. Missed it was about Capitano.

[golden sluice]

wait they said Dottore was working on project Stuzha?

[craggy mist]

Was all of this in Nod-Krai not prep for project Stuzha?

Like they retrieve all the design bureau stuff after

[golden sluice]

I'm honestly not certain, I thought project Stuzha was a different thing and the NK stuff was preparing that weapon

[distant sentinel]

It was all a Dottore conspiracy

[craggy mist]

No that was the bounty on Columbina, the Palemoon Edict. Project Stuzha is separate.

[slender haven]

Well if Pants is working on it

[golden sluice]

no like, project Stuzha happens in Snez and the preparation is happening there at the hands of Pulcinella, Pierro and Pantalone while the design bureau was made to create the weapon they talked about back in 6.0

[golden sluice]

are the Fatui operations in NK prep for project Stzuha?

[slender haven]

Maybe

[golden sluice]

nah like did they mention it

[craggy mist]

Palemoon wasn't even so much a conspiracy as Tsaritsa deciding she's not going to offer any protection to Columbina anymore if she wants to leave. Dottore can do as he likes. Until he tries to become like the Heavenly Principles, then she's fine with allowing his murder.

[golden sluice]

funny thing is he joined them on the pretense of making a god

[craggy mist]

Pierro: "I asked for an enhanced human."

This bit is also interesting
Her Majesty has also declared that she will refrain from launching an attack on the now-evacuated Nod-Krai, due to the presence of unretrieved research material.

[pallid otter]

So mad at Traveler, if she hadn't needed to be rescued, Wanderer would've still been a complete unknown to him

[craggy mist]

https://x.com/GenshinImpact/status/1915752659279139040

Genshin Impact (@GenshinImpact)

The "Palestar Edict," that highest of commands, has gone out. With it, the Fatui Harbingers have been summoned back to Snezhnaya and dispatched to Nod-Krai. #GenshinImpact #Fatui

The people stare and wonder: for what purpose does this army, bearing the banner of the Pale Star,

X · Apr 25, 2025, 1:00 PM

[distant citrus]

The final glitch could also be sign of irminsul corruption or something
Remember we still don't know the full nature of disturbance around the border that kept most of the hex witches out and occupied
It could also be hinting at the burning of the tree after all?

[craggy mist]

Heh... After these recent events, the Tsaritsa has revoked the Palestar Edict. Snezhnaya now realizes that the arrest warrant for Columbina was just a ploy by Dottore, who coveted her powers.

now I'm actually wondering if these are separate things.

Or... perhaps...

https://tenor.com/view/dottore-genshin-dottore-il-dottore-zandik-columbina-gif-13619033843368814084

False flag.

[distant sentinel]

Wait... if Dottore sets irminsul on fire...

[modern bluff]

i think at this point its pretty obvious columbina sang it to herself

like she sings it before becoming kuuvahki and losing her body

its a whole cycle of past columbina influencing present influencing past

timey wimey bullshit

in her character story the moon goddesses dont recognize the song either

so it only could have been from her

[golden sluice]

I'm thinking it might be an Irminsul thing too, Dottore for everything he did in the end he accomplished nothing, I think he might've fucked up something up with his moon powers which is hinted at with that glitch and Scaramouche saying he feels there's something wrong in CN, in english he just a chip on my shoulder

[golden sluice]

I'm assuming it's related to the weapon they're making

[golden sluice]

wdym

[golden sluice]

in her character story she said she doesn't know who sang to her back then yet

[modern bluff]

see thats the thing i saw that too and i thought there should be more to it

but i really cant think of anyone else who could have

[golden sluice]

when did she sing to herself then?

[modern bluff]

as confusing as it is its just probably cyclical time travel reasoning

she goes in the past, sings it before she dies, her present self hears it

present self goes in past, sings before dying, present hears it

its just a circle at this rate

does it make sense? no but its time travel were talking about

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[modern bluff]

literally that

the one only other candidate i could possibly think of that could have taught her the song would have to be a shade, like istaroth

but theres been no mention nor reference of her

[golden sluice]

it's Tholindis

trust

[modern bluff]

as much as id love to believe that im kinda losing hope in that theory

tholindis played a lot less of a role with columbina here than i thought she would have

which annoys me because her design is so fucking similar to the moon sisters

theres no way it isnt intentional? like she couldve been wearing normal khaenriahn clothes like diredyth

so why is her design sharing similar characteristics to the three moons

even down to that fucking hairpin

but idk man

theres def some writers that absolutely have a lot more deeper meaning written into him and i love that

not a single line in 6.1 from rerirs mouth is wasted

gotta admit its why 6.3 wasnt as good as 6.1 for me

while i appreciate dottores whole reasoning and analogy and explanations on wanting to ebcome a god

i already understood it like halfway through

though tbf i can see why the writers tried to hammer this point home with him bc genshin players cant fucking read

much less understand reasoning or subtext of the views of certain characters

[golden sluice]

@slender haven DUDE

ROLAND

HAS A PLAYABLE MODEL

[slender haven]

YEAH

[golden sluice]

FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

[slender haven]

But no Dornman's Port in 6.4
FUCK

[golden sluice]

oh yea

no aq either

WHAT THE FUCK

he's appearing in Varka's SQ

[slender haven]

I'll still cope by saying that they're just saving it for 6.5 to give us time to breathe

[slender haven]

Yeah

6.8 character found at last?

[golden sluice]

and a new AQ hopefully

[slender haven]

Yeah...

[golden sluice]

who knows, we'll have to wait for preload to know

[slender haven]

We still have to know what Varka's expedition is

[golden sluice]

I think they explain it in the reputation quest?

[slender haven]

They literally said in an interview that it had a deeper reason

[slender haven]

Looking for Koitar right?

But how does it conclude?

[golden sluice]

honestly I don't remember what it was actually, I'll have to check the lines

or play the quest itself

but I think it was abyss related?

[slender haven]

Yeah the Abyss is threatening Mondstadt
Venti says the same thing in his new quest

[craggy mist]

Dottore put on a Columbina wig and did crimes to get an arrest warrant put out on Bina.

[modern bluff]

framing

great to know dottore

didnt know you liked dressing up as a woman

[golden sluice]

we'll revise it when we play the reputation quests

[golden sluice]

oh that was a translation

mistranslation i mean

[craggy mist]

yeah, that was my previous though more or less. these are different things.

[golden sluice]

she made the edict herself and only revoked it because Dottore was abusing it

[craggy mist]

That all tracks with her having part of the Eternal Moon pulled down as the terms of Columbina leaving, and then a bunch of Fatui from different factions setting up there.

[slender haven]

Yeah

[slender haven]

We were talking about what Varka's expedition was for

[golden sluice]

it's not leaked it's just the file is there

mero leaked it

[slender haven]

Lol

I haven't completed the reputation quests

Only the AQ

Yeah

So because Rerir ate Kuuvahki power when he came back he didn't disintegrate in the Moon Gate like before

But the Moon Gate quelled the Abyss inside him making him sane again

[modern bluff]

i actualyl wonder how that worked

does the moon gate purify/get rid of abyssal influence on a person

or is it cause hes cut off from teyvat

that hes not connnected to the abyss in any shape or form

regardless tho it does show that his consciousness still exists so hes not entirely gone

[slender haven]

Rerir says the voices in his head stopped

Yeah but it seems kind of inert

No

Yeah because he was in the Moon Gate
He was angry at first but then he slowly came to his senses

[modern bluff]

establish order?

whaddya mean

well nibelung gave them control over those concepts but i dont think they did it as forcefully as PO did with shades

they do love teyvat

oh shit yea they never mentioned koitar i think

dont remind me

its more like a half answer at this rate

ah its just cause theyre not together in the same time, but in the same space

did i mention already how surprised i am that souls dont get absolutely annihilated in the reversed flows of time

i found that kinda odd

[split wolf]

@ashen ocean, can you, please, check quests again?
I updated them

[modern bluff]

made it back to real time?

also binas plan is just another case of cyclical past influencing future with her lullaby im not even surprised

[split wolf]

Oh sec

I did a dum thing

I had to increase version

I DECREASED IT

WAIT A BIT

[modern bluff]

oh lmao

[split wolf]

Yes

Wait a bit

I'm idiot xdd

@ashen ocean

Can you please take a look at other quests

They must be adjusted now too

Understood

Thank you!

I reuploaded like another 20k files cause of all that xdd

Many stuff added

Nah

It was me not knowing how to add stuff

Now I made some kind of workaround

[long crest]

lmaoooo

diabolical

[clever vault]

[split wolf]

A fix that I'm able to make

This is funny af

[clever vault]

Tsaritsa arrives was a lie

Frick Twitter

Idk...when...Lantern Rite maybe

I hope so

https://tenor.com/view/lycoris-recoil-chisato-takina-hug-spinning-gif-26347730

Sir, I lost the 50/50

Now i have to work on exploration

I still have a lot of openworld content

Hopefully i get enough primo in 19days

I tried...compass doesn't work in new area

Never mind, i will start from older maps in Natlan first

I will have her...it's all according to my plan

[slender haven]

Yes the new skin description

I saw

Nibelung probably killed himself atp

With how much the Moons' powers get glazed this version

A prison made by a God-king

Everybody gets neg-diffed by the Moon Gate

Phanes was quivering in their boots of the Moons though

Literally had to "be their guest"

[modern bluff]

makes you wonder how the heavenly principles are this insanely

strong? OP

what the fuck

what are you

[slender haven]

Yeah because Phanes put on a maid dress for them

[modern bluff]

theyre a really convincing AI if the moon sisters were ok letting them chill in teyvat like a guest

[slender haven]

In the same way Furina is I guess

[modern bluff]

What the fuck mannnn

Are the twins gonna become the HP

and why would we even want that

Unless

Its gonna be our new home

After we left our original

[fossil furnace]

I'd like to think that hp is the program that went on defensive mode + got corrupted by nib man himself

[tawdry blade]

Twin planet was so advanced that they made a fucking AI that can colonize planet easily

No wonder a random blackhole take their home away

[slender haven]

That's cause Nibelung gave them that technology

That's why they have inteyvats

[tawdry blade]

What technology

The AI existed before Nibelung

[tawdry blade]

Act 8 basically confirm that.

We might explore the dark sea instead

[long crest]

all done with the quest

holy shit that is the best genshin has ever been

[fossil furnace]

my only gripe? they chickened out in using the full nod krai theme sang by Aurora

[golden sluice]

@slender haven @ashen ocean so to not get shredded to pieces in the moon's reflection you just have to be able to use kuuvahki?

[slender haven]

It was meant to imprison the Moons so yeah I guess

Anything not Moon or Moon related gets shredded

[golden sluice]

idk if I missed it but did they space where or what is the space exactly?

I assume it's a subspace u can only access through moon gates that Nibelung created to imprison the sisters

but is that it?

[slender haven]

Nibelung made it to imprison the sisters

[slender haven]

We may learn more about it when we get more Nibelung lore idk

[modern bluff]

Are we talking the reversed flows of time or only the prison space of the moon sisters?

[golden sluice]

all of it

[modern bluff]

Hmmmmm

[golden sluice]

the prison is part of it after all

[modern bluff]

Yknow it got me wondering cause rerirs body does have kuuvahki for now since he absorbed it

But isnt it finite

At some point it might run out and hell destabilize no? Or the abyss grows stronger

Or is he just stuck like that

I wasn't really sure what his longterm condition would be

[golden sluice]

oh that reminds me

[craggy mist]

Maybe he's fine? It's Columbina's divinity, she doesn't actually need it and it doesn't have to be part of her.

[golden sluice]

how did the abyss get there

the one not related to Rerir

[craggy mist]

Her body and spirit was having the problem.

[modern bluff]

We been saying it was Vedrfolnir

The fact that he described it like a snake

And what do you know, ved is represented as a snake

But tbh were not really sure

In fact we dont even see it i believe

[craggy mist]

Awesome tragic couple. Evil and intimidating crystal.

[modern bluff]

GODDAMN

VEDRFOLNIR

He's a lot of things I wanna call him but I dont think hes a liar

His prophecy for Rerir might still hold up, hes just facing a bit of a minor setback atm

minor well

yknow what I mean

After all he did tell him it was the only chance he had fighting back against fate

[craggy mist]

Then you'll need a little more vigilance, and a lot more power. The world is changing, Rerir... Keep your eyes peeled for your moment of opportunity.
You mean this one or a different one? Annoying having Abyss whisper Vedrfolnir and 500 years ago Vedrfolnir.

[slender haven]

I think its just his power now it doesn't run out

[modern bluff]

Not that one

The other one when ved was imprisoned

Before rerir saves him

[stable glen]

so was that sony "leak" mentioning the tsarita a lie?

[modern bluff]

pretty much? she never spoke nor was shown once

only mentioned

[analog merlin]

The only mention she has that time is when the Palestar Edict got rescinded.

[long crest]

i honestly find it kinda genius how they laid out the time travel aspect

the only way bina was able to travel backwards is because of Nibelung himself

the prison he made for the moon goddesses was like a black hole

it makes perfect sense on how to trap multiple omnipotent beings, especially ones able to control time and space

gravity is the solution, and it is so strong that not even teyvat's normal timeline was able to function in proximity of the prison

[distant citrus]

Funny isn't it? Voyager despite being a part of rebellion that led to angel demise and fall of hyperborea
And still nobody remember them not once they're talked about
Even nicole doesn't say anything

They lost their divinity when they gave their authority to columbina
And since they no longer have their divinity anymore the moon reflection space wouldn't bring them back through gravity
So columbina used the pathways to send them back to real world for their last moment before they died

[fossil furnace]

is died the right word here

ig i can ask on everyone's thoughts on zibai and zhongli given it feels like the most solid way to "revive" someone even though iirc she didn't "die"

they've been leading up to that possibility of reconstructing someone with enough of their soul and a vessel stuff so it really begs the question on who's the next character to get that type of storyline

[distant citrus]

Wdym?

[fossil furnace]

like based on lore and what we know did they die as human or like a higher beinh

like with what genshin is presenting with as now what's the plausible outcome for their souls rn

kinda weird to specify that but they're pushing the vessel agenda to me so i'm taking it

[distant citrus]

They still died as moon goddess
The divinity shared by them didn't change the past
So when columbina send them back they were still the moon goddess of the past

[fossil furnace]

okay so definitely a much more powerful being than probably even adepti and minor gods

[distant citrus]

Yes only below PO and Nibelung

[fossil furnace]

makes me wonder where their soul and life essence dispersed then

[distant citrus]

We have the marrow

As for body that died out when the moon shattered

[fossil furnace]

oh right the marrows stayed even at the end

dang so the marrows are like pokemon fossils then

a preserved core with the right reverse engineering/magic/tech you can give them a vessel to exist again

am i right to assume that boreas also has a similar issue where he has a complete "soul" but no vessel to get out of his domain rn

i'm coining a term - zibaification

/j

the process of "reviving" an ancient being through the use of their preserved soul/life essence

[distant citrus]

Probably
Iirc he gave up his body to protect the forest from something... I forgot

His soul is bound to that sword too iirc
@ashen ocean can you confirm this?

I'm probably forgetting stuff here

Boreus his soul being bound to the forest via that sword

The one we touch to start the boss fight

[fossil furnace]

durin (heart), merged with durin (storybook character)
zibai (soul fragments), attached and reconstructed by zhongli

boreas (soul, attached to the forest/sword), moon sisters (condensed essence as marrows), rerir (soul composite, not fully complete and is stuck in moon reflection)

done

[distant citrus]

Zibai one is interesting but it's also a spoiler so

[fossil furnace]

I'm just piecing out any possible shenanigans they can do now that they're gonna sell this lore changing process in the future (next month)

[distant citrus]

I'll just say zibai situation is another ||PO|| situation

[fossil furnace]

it's like when a story wants to reintroduce past characters

it's not retcon but like uh kinda is?

like they were gone for a while but they weren't actually gone just, not alive in the same way most beings are

[fossil furnace]

don't get me started on teyvatgpt

[distant citrus]

He's everywhere

[fossil furnace]

it's not gonna sit well with people that another big bad antagonist is, unantagonizable

like in hsr people didn't get mad at iron tomb itself they got pissed with lygus

[distant citrus]

"Why does genshin no longer do proper villain character? "
*genshin does proper villain character
"Why is this villain character being treated as villain? "

[fossil furnace]

if that's the ai, the people will be mad at the programmer

question is, is the programmer even evil

like what if it's the traveller for fuck's sake

[distant citrus]

Tbh I don't feel it's gonna be as simple as AI especially the one from traveler spaceship

But we'll see

[fossil furnace]

speaking of the ship, did we get confirmation about if the twins was able to like spread the genetic vault to teyvat

[distant citrus]

Hmm? What vault?

[fossil furnace]

like iirc that's how equipped they are, they are literal interspace terraformers

[fossil furnace]

the skin lore

like something about genetical something

gene vault?

[distant citrus]

Oh the outfit that's just modified by the ship AI to suit the environment of the planet they were about to embark

[fossil furnace]

yea they talked about having terraform tech

which makes me wonder if that was the overlying issue in the past

like teyvat's natural fauna and flora vs the terraform program (po) then it got murky when nibelung came back with some abyssal disease from travelling

[distant citrus]

The thing is the spaceship when it came to teyvat first time didn't land
It stopped for a while before flying back into space

So we don't know what it did there

But then twin came from outside the ship...
So did he leave the ship? Or not?
There's also the timeline of when they arrived first time...

They intentionally left out info

[fossil furnace]

yea my tinfoil theory rn is they actually messed up big time

and all of this journey is undoing their fuck ups in teyvat (which unironically probably survived because of them too)

like would've teyvat survived if the po didn't intervene and cursed Nibelung ran the place?

like think about it

in a messed up way phanes might have saved teyvat from entire ruin but came at a heavy cost

basically ended up teyvat on a virus quarantine zone

the firmament, the nails, the set laws and definitions, the wars, the thrones

for the program it was either that or let the abyss completely plague the planet into non-existence

ig maybe the technological limit is to prevent from anyone messing with phanes

because it's not a powerful living being entity

it's a fucking program

ig the lore will have to define if it's closer to Brigitta or Raiden Shogun

[modern bluff]

ngl this HP theorizing is confusing me

whadya mean its an AI

i assume they havent always had it

so what

[fossil furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-simpsons-i'm-in-danger-im-in-danger-gif-12212469452113785130

[modern bluff]

did it infiltrate their ship

[fossil furnace]

the question is who is the ei

[modern bluff]

project?

[fossil furnace]

yea you're right maybe too much of a parallel to assume similar of having a true program

[modern bluff]

ahh

a new home for them

[fossil furnace]

wait so like...ei made shogun, with components/similar conditions as phanes

[modern bluff]

but to think they had something like that with the power to change fate

and do it on teyvat of all planets

huh

[fossil furnace]

based on past lore teyvat is a planet doomed for destruction but something about Nibelung makes it special

[modern bluff]

oh?

i guess if its picky its one thing

damn nibelung fucking built different

in a way hes supposed to be the rightful ruler of teyvat

or well, always has been

[fossil furnace]

we don't know what standards of selection they did to land on teyvat, planet of dragons and moons

[modern bluff]

before he left

how does say

seutervoinan

voyager

play into this

figured

but theyre very unique

enough that surtalogi asked skirk to look for them

and their whole shit with koitar

wonder if voyager was someone like the twins

mhm

i suppose in a roundabout way itd be crazy if the reason teyvat is the way it is was bc of the twins all along

they just never knew

and now theyre experiencing this journey and growing to love a life and the world on the very planet theyve been supposedly stuck on

[distant citrus]

The problem with phanes "order" was the same problem Ei had
It was eternity of stagnation
But because phanes also had irrational fear of anyone going beyond the powers set by his order he would destroy them every time
It's akin to honkai where any civilization that goes beyond a certain limit gets destroyed

[fossil furnace]

yea the traveler skin lore shows it has a degree of sentience and set "morals" especially on selecting a planet and it's potential

i suspect it bleeds through how they had set up teyvat

[distant citrus]

Could be but then where does sibling fit? They probably left at the same time too.... And there's no mention of them in any history until khanerriah

[fossil furnace]

https://youtu.be/TAlKhARUcoY?si=4xf_CMAKy9DS-Wdb

[fossil furnace]

i wonder if someone erased themselves from the program and instead chose to discover teyvat's potential on their own with the same goal

and they had instead stumbled upon the same shenanigans Nibelung did

hence the need for saving

reweaving fate being a magical way to say, fix the program and do with teyvat as you wish with all the knowledge you got living in it

also...what power from beyond...dain... what power is it

[distant citrus]

"Now you who has set foot in this world,
Your journey has reached its end but one final dooreay remains,
Step forth if you have understood the meaning of your journey,
Defeat me command me to step aside show me that you are worthier than i to rescue her
Then the threads of fate will be yours to re weave
... My memory has all but faded completely... But I will always remember how much she too loved these flowers "

Keep in mind this "her" here....

[fossil furnace]

is her even freaking lumine

[distant citrus]

Now let's see what wheels of fortuna says...

"Though there is no meaning in this world within an eggshell,
The "fortune" we speak of is not some false metaphor,
In 14 billion "years" of darkness,
It is the sum of all that is destined to happen and all that never will.

Partings, encounters, and partings once more,
Birth, destruction, and birth yet again,
In the darkness of 93 billion "years" of light,
All existence holds meaning unknown to any,
Without which this universe would seem too solitary.

This is the "fortune" that divination cards speak of,
Or that which cannot be spoken.

The "Wheel of Fortune" turns ever onwards,
But there are things which are never forgotten,
Things that can never be destroyed.
At least, I am willing to believe so.
Just as you believe in reunion with her. "

[fossil furnace]

for all we know it's a female entity ala cyrene who took interest to the world

[distant citrus]

Who is this woman being talked about?

[fossil furnace]

a feminine entity, known by dain, with the feats that is fate defying

someone who knows the system, the ai

[distant citrus]

No I'm thinking it's someone yet to be revealed
After all this is going to happen at the end of the story even after khanerriah chapter

[fossil furnace]

istg that linnea leaks scare me because of the description of her appearance matching a certain someone

[distant citrus]

Although my personal opinion would be Asmoday

[fossil furnace]

pink haired fae...

[distant citrus]

She's the one who's record has been wiped and she's turned rogue too

[outer kraken]

Dude the leaked units have no resemblnced to the units teased

I can't figure out who is who

( outside nicole and varka )

[distant citrus]

We still have 2 missing character after all the leak added up
So could be one of them

So out of 17 character we have 15 so far

[fossil furnace]

linnea

and with leaks saying she and ||snow maiden are one entity||

[distant citrus]

Roland could be one then and last one another

[outer kraken]

Two model type of situation the frae shown doesn't look like that

[fossil furnace]

every being alive during the funerary flame are sus to me, they probably have knowledge about phanes bring a sentient program

[distant citrus]

Man doing the columbina anecdote is going to take so long.... Shouldn't have skipped it in the first place

No wings for me in near future

[fossil furnace]

so anyone brave enough and powerful enough to mess with it is like...hmm

[outer kraken]

Also r we assuming sandrone the last teased one

[distant citrus]

Yes

[outer kraken]

Ye i doubted they made a playable plulonia

[distant citrus]

She's the one leaked to have her design changed

[outer kraken]

For nothing

[fossil furnace]

as much as i think the traveller is capable even sandrone had enough knowledge to calculate how to fucking open the firmament and pull the moon in

[outer kraken]

Technically it was a program

[fossil furnace]

exactly like cyrene and 🍑

[distant citrus]

Look at the bright side she's a side character so no one's going to hate just for being pink girl

[outer kraken]

Exactly

[fossil furnace]

they haven't given us their genshin bronya, kiana, and cyrene

[distant citrus]

Yeah

[outer kraken]

Kiana is asmolde

Or however it's spelled

I forgot

Ngl ifl cyrene didn't do anything bad

It was just the story was too complicated

[fossil furnace]

linnea + snegurochka

snegurochka real name: elysia

boom

[distant citrus]

And she's the most important one among the shades too (besides Robin expy. /jk)

[fossil furnace]

the shade that rebelled

aka Nicole saying the creatures made by PO rebelling

the codes coming to life

[outer kraken]

Like lowkey

She can look like ely

Just not act like her

Ifl if cyrene interacted more with other heirs she wouldn't be as hated

[fossil furnace]

ei and miko are great examples

[distant citrus]

Cyrene situation but replace with Istaroth
The whole time stuff

[fossil furnace]

i don't think people consider yae miko and yae sakura like, copycats

[outer kraken]

Also like yae was like the last super direct expy

[distant citrus]

Yeah genshin actually has expy in the true sense
Hsr on the other hand has variant not expy

[fossil furnace]

istaroth and snegurochka elysia teaming up to fight their equivalent of iron tomb (phanes)

[outer kraken]

In a literal sense

With the whole two universe connected

[distant citrus]

Yeah

Welt says how two variant despite being different would follow similar "fate" Or something

But that's not what happens with genshin

But it does happen with hsr

[outer kraken]

I'm fine with genshin getting an ely look a like but don't try the let's just go the flamechaser story again without changing anything ot the ending

[distant citrus]

Funny stuff we already have flamechaser story just in lore

[outer kraken]

Ye

Btw props for the aq for making bina's time travel shit digestable

[distant citrus]

And if I take that lore too seriously then 3rd descender might be related to that too

[fossil furnace]

yea that's why yae miko and ei are important lore wise

[outer kraken]

Outside the fact what started her first birth

Confused about that

[fossil furnace]

they didn't really have the same arc as expected from expies

[outer kraken]

It's same formula

In a sense

[distant citrus]

It's the same as we're told before
The frost moon gave birth to her

Past didn't change

[outer kraken]

So essentially her true point zero is when the frost moon manifested her

[distant citrus]

Yes

[outer kraken]

Then her soul went back past point zero to make kuhvaki

[distant citrus]

Yup

Very genshin coded time travel

Just think of it like how finality in hsr works
And how whole elysia stuff happened

Actually it's not genshin coded it's hoyo coded

[outer kraken]

I atleast this time

It's easier to understand

Having bina time traveling = to her "walking"

[distant citrus]

Yeah thanks to saying things as it is instead of using flowery sci fi language

[fossil furnace]

it connects to why nicole loves storybook retellings

[outer kraken]

Also confirmation that the fake sky isn't literal

[distant citrus]

Like I understood the hsr thing pretty much but I wouldn't lie if it wasn't enjoyable getting to it

[outer kraken]

It can atleast fit a moon

[fossil furnace]

like did pierro "summon" the abyssal twin or was it actually a signal they sent and they descended

[outer kraken]

And is mot jus the atmosphere

[fossil furnace]

weirdly genshin won with years of subtlety and whimsy

[distant citrus]

The whole imaginary tree and causality thing makes sense from dimension theory but unfortunately for the fandom hoyo never explains to them that they're using it

[fossil furnace]

years of world building

the pay off is having this revealed and not feel random

surprising? probably given it was coded into fables and stories

did i imagine genshin to be an interdimensional terraform fantasy game? no

[distant citrus]

Yeah they made the lore very readable so that helps too

[outer kraken]

I think the presentation and having bina figure it out with the player than most of the time honkai characters understand the bs they do helped

[fossil furnace]

no one did back then

[distant citrus]

Definitely
Amphoreus with same level of presentation would've been much better received

There's also the fact that all the reveal around elysia happened in one patch
While in nod krai we were getting columbina drips every patch and the last patch only put them together

[errant cliff]

Hey so… is Sandrone dead?

[stable glen]

She will return in Avengers Doomsday

[errant cliff]

No like I lowkey forgot if they said anything about her

Is Queen ok?

[distant citrus]

She's dead for now but her body has been sent to Fontaine research
She'll be back

[errant cliff]

Oh

[distant citrus]

Just hope her new design is equal if not better than current one
I like her current design

[errant cliff]

Do we know if there is a chance she will come back or is this a Capitano fandom situation where they haven’t been signorad so it’s not 100% that she dead but it also ain’t 100% she alive

[stable glen]

Other than the journal she left us, her (and Pulonia's) remains taken to Fontaine Research Institute and Wanderer's remark that Sandrone always had a backup plan... Who knows.

[errant cliff]

Also don’t tell me about the data mine I know about the Capitano data mine

Just using as an example

[distant citrus]

The last character from teaser is supposedly her

[errant cliff]

Oh well that ain’t confirmed it’s more theory right? So we are in Capitano territory? Where she lowkey will be back but it’ll prob be either in 1 patch or like 2 years lol

[distant citrus]

No datamine has her playable id

[outer kraken]

I mean sandrone is easier to rebuild

Than capitano

To be out of the paradox

[distant citrus]

So it's only when not if situation

[outer kraken]

Lowkey was the witches being involved

[distant citrus]

Irminsul will burn no need for paradox then

[outer kraken]

A super big misdirection

[distant citrus]

Cap will return

[outer kraken]

For bina stuff

Like i could never guess

[distant citrus]

Yeah Nicole was red herring

[fossil furnace]

tbh how does the irminsul burning now fall into place? is it like the seed phanes planted in teyvat for it's source of sustenance

[distant citrus]

Probably project stuza

[fossil furnace]

sure but what is irminsul now if we reframe it into who phanes is

like the story says it's a tree

degenshify it

it's a data bank of something right

[distant citrus]

Apparently mistilteinn was mentioned along with project stuza
So one thing can be inferred is that the plan involves killing the God
As pierro said himself too

[fossil furnace]

i forgot that there's a big chance the people over there aren't aware of the nature of phanes

kinda a similar theme with amphoreus then, mystified entities they are fighting

or they do but not to the extent

like sure they target PO and the shades

who's their code breaker

[distant citrus]

That's why they target the mainframe aka irminsul

[fossil furnace]

they think they're fighting a god with it's shades but they end up like fighting they neutral irontomb and 3 pretty phainons

[fossil furnace]

with no anaxa? guaranteed bloodbath

[distant citrus]

We have the budget version with Pierro

[fossil furnace]

they better revive sandrone first

sorry pierro but you're a mage...from khaenri'ah

i trust the android woman who found out on her own to bypass the firewall

and sneak in a moon (real)

[outer kraken]

Lowkey irminsul more a burden than help outside the whole anchoring existence thing

[fossil furnace]

the irminsul is powerful enough to birth sentient powerful beings that i lowkey think that's due to teyvat's potential

like combined program + teyvat code to life = bypassing the limitations of what post 3.7 amphoreus is rn

everyone who existed in teyvat is recorded there

maybe that's how reincarnation works

it's a system akin to a magical tree

[distant citrus]

The picture painted by Durin weapon lore really makes the irminsul not sustainable

[fossil furnace]

which is very genshin

[fossil furnace]

what's the gist of it

is it a fabled retelling of how irminsul is an hdd drive and we need to upgrade to an ssd drive

[distant citrus]

Basically it uses up the primordial sea as fuel so at some point it will run out of that and the planet will die

And that's why abyss needs to take over for the cycle to reset and help recover the sea

[fossil furnace]

abyss abyss or like teyvat's actual abyss

wait nvm

[distant citrus]

Abyss it's the same

[fossil furnace]

are you saying they're implying abyss as the data recovery system

[distant citrus]

You can call it Void if you'd like

[fossil furnace]

yea void helps the distinction

[distant citrus]

I don't know full extent
But apparently when abyss takes over the whole planet the cycle resets
And everything begins anew

[fossil furnace]

primordial sea - source of teyvat fuel
irminsul - databank and storage holder
phanes - current software

isn't that the thing phanes is bypassing

[distant citrus]

Who knew phanes is OpenAi and is consuming more ram than produced

[fossil furnace]

like a lot of similar planets who survived

they like didn't agree to the cycle of destruction and shit

[fossil furnace]

teyvat is a planet but in the eyes of phanes it's a computer

a computer with the potential to birth life

[distant citrus]

Abyss is very similar to how nihility is presented in hsr
Absolute void nothing can escape it

[fossil furnace]

it is, just easier to detach the whimsy and the scifi

honestly given this it really begs the question of the intent of everyone who's aware of it

like...the witches

the shades

the sinners

venti, zhongli and ei

Alice...did you really put your child on a planet who's delaying its eventual demise to the laws of the universe???

[distant citrus]

Don't know if anyone missed this but there's one dialogue at the end
Nicole says the planet is finally observable from the outer universe
Don't know what the implications are here but it was interesting nonetheless

[fossil furnace]

How do you even save a planet meant for the void

Like what does hsr and hi3 say about that

[fossil furnace]

I remember that one...weird...leak of hsr x genshin being held in snezhnaya

It was so weird, it had no basis, it wasn't dispelled as fake, just something forgotten because it was shared years ago

[distant citrus]

Well for hsr we don't know for now
But for hi3rd honkai was defeated by taking the authority of it's messenger

[fossil furnace]

who's the messenger in hi3

maybe we have crumbs in genshin lore to point to who's the messenger in teyvat

[distant citrus]

So kiana took the authority of finality of earth
Vita did for venus
And sanadina did for mars

[fossil furnace]

ig maybe that's the setup for the playable twin?

"the throne in the sky isn't yours" a code for...you're not getting the authority of finality

[distant citrus]

Honkai as we know in HI3rd was an amalgamation of a civilization that once existed long time ago
It merged the whole star system into one single entity of higher dimension nature
But then it felt loneliness so it set out to find the similar level beings
They latched onto imaginary tree and trying to find this being of similar stature

[fossil furnace]

honestly...maybe this is the setup for the "her" dain is talking about

not lumine

but the woman who's gonna be the authority over teyvat's finality

but god that's a lot of setup to do

[distant citrus]

The cocoon of finality is the name btw

[fossil furnace]

like i don't think that's something easy to set up in genshin lore and story unless they start teasing NOW and do for 2+ years

kiana was a 7 year setup

SEVEN

so it's either the twins, or someone else in need to set up

phanes was just there to delay the inevitable, meanwhile everyone in the loop are just presenting different means to move forward

abyssal lumine seems aligned with zhongli by recording the planet, but willing to put teyvat into another reset cycle

the witches are keen on a preservation+escape plan with rhine infiltrating the planet's admin system to bid us time

you have the finality aspect that someone powerful can claim authority

i wonder how the moon and it's reflection is as part of this then

if the reflection of the moon can show one's past and future, is it the recovery system?

so regardless the moon will always be important to a lot of factions

because without a moon goddess and a moon you have nothing to reflect on, and start the cycle of life

[distant citrus]

Probably will get more moon stuff when Nibelung lore comes around
About the true nature that is

[fossil furnace]

planet lives
planet thrives
planet dies
planet reflects
planet lives again

[distant citrus]

Like this dragon literally built a prison where time flows backwards

[fossil furnace]

yea nibelung sus like yea sure maybe he was acting upon the natural order of void shit so he locked the recovery system before attempting at a reformat

[distant citrus]

It's a space where time flows backwards not forward

[fossil furnace]

but why did the stories paint him as frantic

[distant citrus]

He had taken abyss so something happened

[fossil furnace]

what's a better analogy then for like technology and computers for that

[distant citrus]

And his home got stolen

[fossil furnace]

like if abyss was the formatting file

[distant citrus]

Backup? System restore point?

[fossil furnace]

was he in a rush to reformat because someone already took his device and tinkered with it?

[fossil furnace]

system restore point

aha

[distant citrus]

You can go back to previous one yeah

[fossil furnace]

a battle of head admins and their precious bio-computer

descenders as the head admins true

okay tsaritsa feels justified now to me

yay

collecting the gnosis to possibly revive head admin #3

do we know what plans descender #3 has that's connected to the fate of teyvat

[distant citrus]

Not much

There's pale princess but that's datamine stuff

[clever vault]

[fossil furnace]

teyvat: bio-computer

nibelung: admin #1
moon: recovery system
abyss: formatting program
software: law of the universe

phanes: admin #2
irminsul: database+recovery system
abyss: virus
firmament: firewall
formatting program: unidentified

third descender: admin #3, became part of the computer as parts

playable twin: admin #4, fixing the errors produced by past admins

accepted outsiders: users who were granted access by the admin (voyager, alice, octavia, skirk )

rejected outsiders: previously columbina, arlecchino

tinfoil theory: khaenri'ah is the setup for the third possible software option

reweaving fate (aka obtaining authority of finality), aka software change

software's installed on teyvat so far:

• natural order of void and finality
• intergalactic terraforming and bypass of finality's order

possible next software:

• reclaiming of finality authority

okay tinfoil done

de genshifying the story is hard

oh god i think I finally figured out the way they'll make dottore look good for a playable character

he's the user trying to hack the system, isn't he...

destroying the database would be scary of a thought though

that's like, possibly unleashing a multitude of shit

like ig Celestia being a prison for individuals who know to bypass the system makes so much sense now

like in a way if you wanna be reborn in teyvat you have to be wiped clean of memories that can threaten the system

the soul is in tact but the memories tampered

gosh the concept of past lives and reincarnation being locked behind irminsul

gosh that's painful to even consider like sure a lot of normal humans in teyvat but that's like unloading a lot of data in

like what if that's why fucking EROSION EXISTS

it's a way to ensure you don't remember the past if you choose to not go through the life cycle

[long crest]

Sandrone's reaction finding out Wanderer's core was made from Irminsul wood

"who tf built you??"

lmao

[tawdry blade]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-ei-story-quest-raiden-ei-raiden-ei-cosmin-raiden-shogun-story-quest-genshin-impact-story-quest-gif-5623066881769869790

Also,Aether new skin use primogem as his earring

[long crest]

wanderer straight up one of the most advanced beings around

[clever vault]

[long crest]

i think dottore talking to the MC had more condensed peak writing than in everywhere else in genshin combined

[distant citrus]

Nephilheim is just nod krai...makes sense I guess

[outer kraken]

I really think it's kinda also meta

The people that would agree with dottore will be the people that just play genshin for some surface level shit

While people that actually have a connection with game would get the travellers choice

[long crest]

eh, it's a worldview thing

[outer kraken]

For me it's kinda meta

But that's not my take away situations diff

[long crest]

also the way he views relationships as being purely about mutual benefit is like rly psychopathic

[outer kraken]

I think this is basically the development that we really considering are teyvat isn't some place we'll leave when it's all and over more that we are solving wtf happend to lumine

[long crest]

yeah sure

it's definitely developing MC's connection to the planet

if anything i think the sibling is trying to persuade the MC to become teyvat's ruler

[distant citrus]

Nope it's nod krai

That's what the game says

You can read the bulletin board at paramida

[golden sluice]

[distant citrus]

Jumping to conclusions...been there done that

[clever vault]

https://tenor.com/view/lycoris-recoil-chisato-takina-hug-spinning-gif-26347730

[distant citrus]

Yeah they do during the start

[long crest]

also you know what's funny?

dottore trying to control time

and immediately flubbing it with MC

causing a time dilation effect, stretching MC's time so that 1 month took place in an instant for the MC right

and he says it requires more finesse than he anticipated, just for one tiny local time effect
now imagine how immensely powerful istaroth is

who regularly keeps track of past, present and the future all at the same time, anywhere

[distant citrus]

She knew about the 4th moon
Which means she knew what was gonna happen
And the fact she let it happen means it's all part of the plan

As the abyss sibling said "Are you mocking me, Istaroth? "

[long crest]

we even see her distracted during the trailer

for good reason

she's just busy looking at everything, everywhere, every time, all at once

no biggie

btw

the gravity effect that kept bringing bina back

that was the prison itself right?

nibelungs prison, and not one of the shades

no no

they mention the prison being constructed like a whirlpool

with the center being the actual time and place of where the moon goddesses are

to trap them for all eternity

on top of that, the prison had special soul-preserving properties to make sure they never stopped existing

tldr: nibelung made something magnificent

an artificial black hole

bro literally built a prison with gravity

yep

i also rly like

that the only way anyone has shown to be able to go back in time like that

is via the exact device nibelung built himself

like, that is OG gigapowerful stuff

the prison was designed to hold omnipotent beings

that's why it's so strong

well, the moon goddesses together basically have nibelungs power

since that's what they used during his absence

im not sure we know that

reason was made long after

[tawdry blade]

Probably because they could use it for bad thing

[long crest]

basically, the prison was made as powerful as it is because of the convicts it was meant to hold

notice how rerir regained his senses

in that prison

his body is not allowed to die because of the curse of immortality
but the abyss? the abyss withered away

[distant citrus]

Nibelung gave his authority over teyvat to the 3 sisters in his behalf to manage
He didn't gave them his own powers

[tawdry blade]

If can also use abyss power,guaranteed escape

[long crest]

that prison literally defeated the abyss through entropy

[tawdry blade]

No?

Rerir was the one who destroy them

Yep

[long crest]

it's both

[tawdry blade]

It wasn't even from his either

[long crest]

the abyss grew weaker over time

while his soul did not

thanks to the prison

that's the distinction

[tawdry blade]

No,he didnt listen to the voice

That is why

[long crest]

again, it's both, the prison's ability to give him near infinite time to think allowed him his character growth

but it also slowly withered away the abyss' influence over him

enough for him to be able to stop listening

[tawdry blade]

There is no concrete evidence that the voice stopped trying to influence him

[distant citrus]

"But this time, I survived... It must be partly because of this new body, and partly because of all the kuuvahki I absorbed in Nod-Krai."

He literally tells why he survived

[long crest]

the abyss doesnt work this way

it always keeps trying to exert control

it grew weak in the prison

it's fascinating either way ngl

also

the link between bina and luonnotar being able to be exploited with nefer's magic

was genius

[distant citrus]

Must have come into the space when tholindis arrived

[long crest]

nefer's soul link magic is some crazy powerful shit

if it can establish a connection through time going back as far back as that

[distant citrus]

No because she's mortal and her body collapsed as soon as she entered
The same thing that happened to Rerir first time

Also she tells why she can't go as far because she's not the moon goddess or had the marrow

Yes that's why her body got broken

And only her souls remains stuck there forever

What authority?

Not really

[long crest]

i wonder

if ronova tried to destroy nibelung's prison

could she do it

[distant citrus]

He still retains his sinner powers as well as kuuvahki he absorbed

10% or whatever it was

[long crest]

could istaroth, ronova and asmoday together bring the old moon goddesses back?

from the prison

asmoday suppresses the gravity field, ronova destroys the prison itself, and istaroth brings the goddesses forward in time?

🤔

[distant citrus]

Probably not since their body no longer exist and columbina has the trilune authority now

Unless some future needs them which I doubt

I do wonder how Rerir is going to come back...
Unlike columbina who had luonotar he doesn't have anything to anchor him to reality...

[long crest]

hm

nibelung just kinda built different ig

[distant citrus]

Hmm? Like what?

[long crest]

that prison was real nasty
im glad bina was gigasmart to put an anchor outside it first

that said, this does mean rerir and tholindis are fucked

like, truly, unfathomably fucked

[distant citrus]

Tholindis is definitely not sure on Rerir... But most likely he too is

[long crest]

if the heavenly principles themselves cannot help you

how tf is rerir getting out

[distant citrus]

Tragic end for them

[long crest]

oh yeah, absolutely

[distant citrus]

Also bittersweet

[long crest]

yes

i love it

hoyo was quite bold in many scenes

the experiment with human souls being put into animals

with the distortion effect

that was haunting

and then rerir and tholindis' tragic fate, that was not exactly normal writing to put into an E for everyone rated game

[distant citrus]

Yeah man I really hope they keep this up I'm liking the new direction
Imagine if the same direction and pacing was available to natlan

[long crest]

genshin is usually very happy ever after

[distant citrus]

Could've been such a great story too...

[long crest]

rerir and tholindis' fate was REALLY not happy ever after

what do you mean

[outer kraken]

I mean practically nothing changed

one moon is alive one moon goddess that just so happened to have all 3

[long crest]

he should have been informed that the moon goddesses didn't betray him

maybe he'd free them if he knew

sure, but it wasn't their doing

nibelung was just going apeshit

judging by the state we see PO in rn, he could have used them as allies rn

but ig he was in no shape to do all that

bro had to go take a nap real fucking quick

[outer kraken]

TBH atp what is going to wake up the heavenly principles

[long crest]

PO 2 microseconds after fighting nibelung

[outer kraken]

The shades are just agenda persuing

[distant citrus]

He's already resurrected so no

[long crest]

also

wanderer absolute GOAT

ngl

[distant citrus]

Nibelung will return again and will bring him back

His prison he can do whatever

[long crest]

that would actually be funny

nibelung opening the prison and finding some random guy having been stuck in there for 60 morbillion years

[tawdry blade]

Traveler leaving Teyvat and abandoning the sibling

[outer kraken]

You know what everything that has happened lowkey could be part of the plan

[tawdry blade]

And it was also part of Phanes plan

[outer kraken]

lowkey the plan was lowkey good the only real thing that isn’t guaranteed was pulling the moon

r we treating the moon feat as a three way thing or like more on nicole

like a 60 20 20 kinda deal

[long crest]

she's the GOAT

[outer kraken]

assuming it’s just a strength multiplier of 10X and they carrying half the moon weight each at base that’s like atleast a nuke

[long crest]

do not click anything

[outer kraken]

scaling wise pulling something out of orbit is like the most impressive thing in genshin

that we see

Varka and arle scale to city level atleast at base

I would assume nicole needed people with good enough strength at base to pull that off

[tawdry blade]

Speaking of that,I fear Nicole buffing kit will only work on human

[long crest]

@ashen ocean You need to complete the quest iirc.

Fully complete it.

And a reset has to happen.

[tawdry blade]

What reset?

[long crest]

Question was how to get bina on the welkin image. I got it on the first reset and I own a welkin rn.

(And I have bina on my account).

[outer kraken]

Playing the story till trilunar authority accusation ( maybe ) triggers the shop image change then server reset for bina to give you primos

The image in shopped changed when i checked after aq

[long crest]

btw

[outer kraken]

Ngl why are people thinking us having signora's crown would piss off the rest of the alies we have i think it was clear that they knew she would go to that point

[long crest]

how tf did the whole moon crashing into the egg shell event not break more things?

[outer kraken]

I mean it replaced a fake moon with another one

If that gets us the masked fouls in teyvat

I would be g

[zinc pagoda]

Btw chat I have seen that letter type stuff on the story completion is that deciphered yet or is it just a sad texture ?

[outer kraken]

The true frost moon being the one shown in the night loading screen

[zinc pagoda]

The one at the top barely visible

[distant citrus]

They only brought it closer not crash it

[long crest]

it broke through the shell tho

[outer kraken]

It's kinda assuming the shell has self healing properties

[distant citrus]

Yes

[long crest]

is it?

[distant citrus]

But the moon didn't break it

[long crest]

isnt alice in charge of that

[outer kraken]

Alice is in charge of the border

Not the false sky

[distant citrus]

Probably the gravity force did the work in close proximity

[outer kraken]

I would assume is two different things

Also i think mav's punch

Got repaired

[long crest]

also can we talk about this

[distant citrus]

Yes that too

The firmament repairs itself

[long crest]

before

after

literally 1 microsecond later

shes just there all of a sudden

[distant citrus]

One thing that was wierd was how the teyvat we saw did not have any abyssal cloud when we saw it from moon...
Meanwhile in the skirk trailer when she entered teyvat looked very different from outer space

The glitch ending on top of that...

[outer kraken]

Ifl that's just the world rejecting skirk

I think the glitch is iust showing dottore survived

[slender haven]

Then where did he go

Ok

[fossil furnace]

and as we discussed here...this is the pipeline to the authority of finality

[fossil furnace]

my thoughts is the abyssal cloud is the firmament and we technically erased it already because teyvat is seen outside space now according to nicole

so either we removed that part of the firmament or teyvat is totally exposed now

one year ago the false sky got pierced through, now we might have done enough damage to expose it and oh boy it makes sense why alice is not playable

when your job is to protect teyvat's borders and suddenly...it doesn't exist

Alice: Should we go check on any anomalies at the border?
Nicole: What border?

[outer kraken]

I still think the false sky isn't teyvat's real border

And it's seperate

Or the damage done to it already is considered just cracks it can self heal

[fossil furnace]

we wait for someone with 4k pc to notice if there's still cracks in the sky like in 5.3

lore player with high res screen

iirc the false moon is eclipsing the real moon but the real moon is way bigger

[outer kraken]

Lowkey why install a planet wide firmament when it can't repair itself

Sooner or later cracks will show

[fossil furnace]

if you've been up to date with what we talked about in chat with me nerding out on making genshin lore less genshin, durin weapon lore states that uh the primordial sea is drying up

plus the heavenly principles being asleep

makes sense why it didn't get repaired

but peep the ending credit for the last act, the screen glitched...

maybe bypassing a full ass moon into the false sky did it

will we get another celestial nail? a shade intervention? find out soon

[outer kraken]

I doubt a celestial nail

[fossil furnace]

i mean ganyu wasn't part of the nk aq ofc she'd live

[outer kraken]

What's most likely to happen is what the firmament was keeping out

It can come in

[distant citrus]

Oh right I forgot that
Yeah she did say Alice was busy until the situation is stabilized
So probably for some time we can see teyvat like that..

[fossil furnace]

i disagree with this simply because it makes sandrone's plan look less cool

[long crest]

@ashen ocean btw
you might want to take a real good look at the new outfit's description...............................

INSANE lore

holy

[fossil furnace]

she figured out how to open the firmament

let's give her flowers

she's dead

[outer kraken]

"Dead"

[fossil furnace]

stabilized...i think that's not gonna happen for a long while

i do

but respect on sandrone

[long crest]

does explain how a tiny sliver of irminsul wood can calculate the whole story's fate by itself

[fossil furnace]

she figured out that formula, i'm not gonna agree that the firmament was half broken already

[long crest]

whatever was in our spaceship was POWERFUL

holy moly

[outer kraken]

She's an atomaton the body could be rebuilt the problem is her core personality and memories intact