・genshin-spoilers

[distant citrus]

Latest durin quest
Where B explains how traversing different branch can ccreate different timeline
But all this is inside the storytelling magical book
However fate is something similar to that
That's why I say partially confirmed

[tawdry blade]

I dont think that is how it world,branch is just a metaphor for your choice

Not that Irminsul branch is an actual timeline

There is also Irminsul dead branch near celestial nail location

It doesn't seem to be related

Also Irminsul branch would more likely to work like bloodline tree

[distant citrus]

It's hard to explain ngl but I'm pretty sure we're getting there
Trust me on this irminsul being a tree like structure has a meaning it's hoyo after all

It's not the first time they've done samsara and while details may change the concept wouldn't

[tawdry blade]

The key is having someone not affected by it

Other way might work with heavy consequences

[distant citrus]

Probably using future to influence past such that the new branch created has favourable outcome

It's been said a lot of time now
Remember what mavuika said? Past, present, future they're all the same
Something that was said by Alia too

Dereidyth too

I still don't understand the nature of cycle though
I can take a guess that they're old branches or something...

[distant citrus]

Samsara cycles

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean @distant citrus

[slender haven]

So Seutervoinen really could be a Yith

Lovecraft species of intergalactic mind swappers who love gaining knowledge about other civilizations

Yeah

Wonder what her true name will be

She can't return if she's still here

That's frozen in space

Also she's probably a bug or a mollusk of some kind

Just like Silksong trained me

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-lacenet-lace-gif-13776661793251201458

I think she's possessing someone new right now
||Lowkey I think she's in Pierro||

I haven't seen it

Oh yeah I just saw it

Make sense I guess

The Sandrone leak looks fake though

[golden sluice]

||why do you think she's in Pierro specifically||

[slender haven]

Azurelight's description (said by Koitar) is very similar to Tartaglia's weapon description which is about the Fatui

Also Pierro and Tsaritsa's relationship kinda parallels Seutervoinen and Koitar's, just not romantic cause you know

I think I had more specific reasoning but it kind of slips my mind

[golden sluice]

tell me if you remember it

it's fake af

them abandoning her current personality is like abandoning a gold mine

honestly I don't like how she is rn but a personality change is good for me but hoyo won't do it

I wonder if her not becoming playable as Sandrone is true tho

that means she leaves the Fatui

I mean yeah but

not being named Sandrone

as a playable character

is very weird

if she's not leaving

yeah I hope it's wrong anyways

[slender haven]

Yeah but FatuiHQ is probably bitching about it as we speak

[slender haven]

Maybe it will be like a split personality situation

[golden sluice]

nah they're not

check Sandronemains

they're the ones crying for 2 days now

[golden sluice]

wonder what's the reason for that

[slender haven]

Yeah they don't give a shit about Sandrone lol cause she's female

The only harbinger they like is Dottore

[slender haven]

Pneuma and ousia is being used to power her

And those are two opposed traits I guess

Or maybe one of the personalities is Alain

[golden sluice]

nahhhhhhhh

[golden sluice]

that's what I thought too

but I prefer Alain being in Pulonia

Pulonia has lines in the

AQ after all

hold on

since when can Pulonia talk

[slender haven]

You see this is all just a part of Pierro's plan

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-keikaku-dori-keikaku-dori-death-gif-19559967

[slender haven]

I do too

But I do want Alain to be playable normally

[golden sluice]

what if Sandrone dying is just her losing her main body but she still put her "memory card" in pulonia before sacrificing her body

[slender haven]

Her brain is uploaded to the Cloud

[golden sluice]

same but I don't feel he's gonna be playable, best case scenario is him being Pulonia

[slender haven]

It'll just be him going "beep boop"

[golden sluice]

how many lines does pulonia have again

lemme check

[slender haven]

I'm hoping her burst is actually playing as him for a bit or something and he isn't just in her animations

[golden sluice]

I'm hoping Pulonia's a summon on her skill who helps and maybe burst is the stuff you mentioned

[slender haven]

I know

[golden sluice]

I wanna see Pulonia

what leaks

[golden sluice]

nvm you're right Pulonia only has 5 lines

oh the Mond Fatui?

[slender haven]

Him being just a summon is lame
My dream would be a Cartethiya/Fleurlyndys from WuWa situation where you can just walk around as him whenever you want but I doubt

[golden sluice]

I'd say since they're normal troops they're just coping but yeah I don't think hoyo would put those lines if the case is not true

I wonder if Pierro knwos about Scaramouche

[golden sluice]

well I didn't mean the usual summons like Furina's and Ineffa's, something new

like with his own HP bar and stuff

like the memosprites in HSR perhaps

but playing with him is cool too

[slender haven]

If he knows how to avoid Irminsul by keeping stories maybe
Or he's immune to it somehow

[slender haven]

That might be interesting

[golden sluice]

I think someone like Pierro should've figured it out the stories thing by now

[slender haven]

Yeah or if my Seutervoinen theory is true aliens might be unaffected by Irminsul

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I'm fine with anything as long as Pulonia appears a lot tbh

[slender haven]

And he has her to tell him anything changed

[slender haven]

True

[golden sluice]

do we know if Skirk is unaffected

[slender haven]

No

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I see

[golden sluice]

if the Voyager is

inside him

is she the one in control or

they're half half

[slender haven]

Personally I think it's like a Rhine and Naberius situation but more amicable
Seutervoinen is inside but just to give him advice and power

Khaenri'ahns have a reoccurring motif of fusing with things if you think about it

[golden sluice]

other than Rhinedottir who else

[slender haven]

Caribert fused with the Loom of Fate
Rhine fused with Naberius
Rerir may have fused with Tholindis
Capitano fused with Yohual plus he absorbed his comrades before that

[golden sluice]

oh true, I thought of Rerir but I forgot he technically fused with Tholindis

[slender haven]

Yeah it's like a twisted marriage
Becoming one with your partner

[golden sluice]

it's also basically Vedrfolnir's prophecy coming true

[slender haven]

And Surtalogi absorbs the foes he has slain

[golden sluice]

he does?

[slender haven]

Skirk's lore says he either absorbs or eats a lot of his foes
He also ate Skirk's people

[golden sluice]

I've read Skirk's character story

all of it

how did I miss

the last part

[slender haven]

Are you a JJK fan?

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-fans-nine-chat-gif-17032110783797255727

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-dog-side-eye-awkward-gif-7599485883499901089

well not really I just enjoy lobotomy kaisen

[slender haven]

That's cheating but fine

[golden sluice]

how does Skirk not hate him for that

[slender haven]

Gaslighting

And severe emotional manipulation

[golden sluice]

tbh I still can't believe the fact he sends her messages casually

[slender haven]

They have a group chat in their brains

[golden sluice]

abyss is basically like messenger or whatsapp 🥀

[slender haven]

Vedrfolnir was literally sending DMs to people's brains

[golden sluice]

Vedrfolnir using abyss to manipulate people just for Surtalogi to use the same method to send DMs to his students

[slender haven]

The difference between time and space

[golden sluice]

Asmoday gotta be chill fr fr

[slender haven]

No Istaroth is the chill one
Asmoday is the freaky one

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-columbina-tongue-meme-gif-13741317989654346728

this but Asmoday

[slender haven]

It's inevitable

[golden sluice]

how do you keep up of usernames in reddit

[slender haven]

Being chronically online

[golden sluice]

im chronically online and I can't keep up with username in reddit

[slender haven]

Idk then

[golden sluice]

can't up with usernames ngl

I only know a few very known ones

like that one obnoxious Escoffier fan

I see him a lot in the leaks subreddit

ok yeah this is funny

but the original person to come up with this

made it for Megumi's only fight where he won

why would he slander Tartaglia when he's a Fatui fan

💔

the narwhale is a bum

[slender haven]

Hey, technically he has two fights that he won
He extreme diffed a homeless guy once too

[golden sluice]

what homeless guy 💔

I don't remember ts

[slender haven]

Manga exclusive right now

[golden sluice]

ohhh that guy ok I remember

they made grades specifically for bumgumi

[slender haven]

Also
"My source is myself"

[slender haven]

Grade 5 exists exclusively for him

[golden sluice]

I love this slander

[golden sluice]

bro doesn't want to give actual good leaks

[slender haven]

Raiden is second biggest fraud in verse by far
Almost as much as Mavuika

[slender haven]

Apollo told him in a dream ahh leak

[golden sluice]

diluc hxg is the potential man of leakers

Raiden glazers are relentless I don't recommend it

[slender haven]

I've dealt with Raiden glazers in my time
The chromosome maxing they do is unparalleled

Or Capitano with 9 hours of sleep

[golden sluice]

I mean

Raiden

is definitely than Mavuika

[slender haven]

Eh
Mavuika has the gnosis right now which effectively doubles her strength

[golden sluice]

even then Raiden must be stronger

she should've gotten a nice boost too in that 500 years duel against Raiden

[slender haven]

Not really
It was literally just herself she was fighting

[golden sluice]

the whale aint said all that 🙏

[slender haven]

Neuvi also smokes her ass let's be real

[golden sluice]

dude

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-squidward-mr-krabs-rock-gif-9714276628674837375

[golden sluice]

Neuvi smokes

all the archons

no debate there

[slender haven]

Some people have tried to debate it though

Even though the prime Sovereigns are literal forces of nature and reality while Archons are glorified middle managers

[golden sluice]

people who argue that Neuvillette can't beat the archons and can't stand toe toe with shades because he has no "feats" shouldn't be considered people with actual functioning brains

[slender haven]

Also because Bronya is on a completely different planet with no Celestia

[slender haven]

"Neuvillette is archon level" mfs when you show them the line explicitly calling him the god of life:

So you know it's wrong on two fronts

Literally has complete control over all this

[golden sluice]

"Neuvillette can't beat archons cz he has no feats" mfs when you tell him who was fighting PO for 40 years when Nibelung was drifting in space

[slender haven]

The Tsaritsa never feels fear

[golden sluice]

makes me think fuck is the Tsaritsa supposed to do in Snezhnaya🥀

[slender haven]

And the Moons were sitting under PO's desk giving him the draconic special

[slender haven]

Become a descender using the gnoses

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-genshin-impact-childe-tartaglia-genshin-childe-gif-7486036928300443248

abyssal sorcerers too?

[slender haven]

I actually think Pierro is going to get the gnoses instead honestly

[golden sluice]

and he's going to fail

Tartaglia

[slender haven]

No

[golden sluice]

well

assuming Ajax is actually the 3rd descender

[slender haven]

Tartaglia is already going to beat Surtalogi or some shit probably you people have enough 🥀

[golden sluice]

are there feats that point to him beating archons?

[golden sluice]

wdym you people if it was to me I'd have top 3 harbingers shove a gnosis up their bum and beat celestia together 😔

[slender haven]

He probably killed Reed Miller
And he was like Frostmoon Scion Jesus

[slender haven]

Idk man

[golden sluice]

did reed miller have feats that point to him being stronger than archons?

[slender haven]

That was Alia in disguise

[golden sluice]

wasn't that chernobog

[slender haven]

The other Alia not the priestess Alia

[slender haven]

Not really
I'm just trying to make an argument for them I guess

[golden sluice]

ah alright

[slender haven]

That's cause Alia was disguised as Reed who died

Reed's mask description swaps to saying "she" when the mask breaks

Alia
Who was wearing the mask

His followers left those

After Reed did

It was only Solovei and priestess Alia who were left

Solovei straight up says Alia was impersonating him
Wait a second

"impersonated my close companion"

No cause Alia took over

After Reed already died

Reed had an execution and all of the sudden "he" starts wearing a mask to hide his identity

Sure pal

It's also a reoccuring trend to have girls take up Reed's mantle

That was Alia again

The Master thief lady who wielded the Master Key weapon

She wanted to be like Reed too

Also there's the Burnice looking girl

Yeah

"claimed"

Yes, beginning with Alia

Rotwang probably slimed him

Or Rotwang was a yandere and killed him after he rejected him

Yeah

Pretty much

That's why he traveled across the globe

The Abyss
That's the point

He may have wanted to power the Sampo Mill with his own power

It made the ground more fertile and valuable
Or it just made valuable stuff out of thin air

Yeah and that's how it works in mythology

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean @slender haven tiktok genshin players are unreal bro

just saw someone say Arlecchino can low diff Dottore without moon powers

[slender haven]

I mean you can make his argument strength ranking comes from his combined segments but like even then Nahida was scared to fight him

[golden sluice]

no way, he was able to fight post Natlan and Skirk training traveler while injuring him without much effort

and traveler at the time is way stronger than traveler back in Fontaine

[slender haven]

Skirk's training only gave the Traveler like 50 extra attack 💀

But also didn't he already have the Marrows at that point?

[golden sluice]

didn't use their power tho

[slender haven]

(I agree with you though)

[golden sluice]

only used his

uhhhhh

[slender haven]

They were resisting him

[golden sluice]

what were they

[golden sluice]

yeah after Columbina left

[slender haven]

Long thick spears

[golden sluice]

yes

[golden sluice]

if we talk kit wise

traveler is the most fraudelent

character

in the game

im fine with that I hate the mf ✌️

[slender haven]

Story wise too

[slender haven]

Yeah they suck
Aether has the most interesting male gacha character design (for Hoyoverse) and he still looks mid

[golden sluice]

he got 50 attack storywise?

tf

[slender haven]

I meant in the story they're a fraud

Cause they keep losing

[golden sluice]

I meeeean

hold on lemme

remember

they won against Tartaglia

they won against Signora

they won against Scaramouche

[slender haven]

4 years ago

[slender haven]

With Nahida and the wisdom of Sumeru power

[golden sluice]

fair enough

I still think

him winning against

gnosis powered Scaramouche

is bullshit

but yeah you're right

[slender haven]

I mean Nahida had her gnosis too

And they still lost like 168 times or something

[golden sluice]

did she fight with him? I thought she only gave him necessary information from the 168 times she put Scara in a loop?

[tawdry blade]

She didnt fight

She support

[slender haven]

She gave them the neo akasha powered by the gnosis and Sumeru power

That did 99% of the work

[golden sluice]

hmmm

[tawdry blade]

Mostly destroying those dumbass turret

[golden sluice]

I guess

[golden sluice]

idk what you're talking about

been

more than a year

maybe two

since I fought Scara's weekly boss

[tawdry blade]

I mean in gameplay lol

[golden sluice]

yeah

[tawdry blade]

[golden sluice]

ik

but I forgor

[golden sluice]

what did he do in Fontaine

I keep trying to remember

but I don't recall him doing anything in Fontaine

[slender haven]

Very little honestly

[slender haven]

They lived Furina into the fake house to trap her in the trial

Also Neuvi buffed them for the fight against the Narwhal

[golden sluice]

I don't think the traveler should be able to fight against the Narwhale ngl, I always assumed it was Neuv making quick work of the Narwhale

[tawdry blade]

I dont think being buff or having support neglected their ability overall lol

[slender haven]

Neuvi gave them a huge power boost
So it was practically him solo

[golden sluice]

yeah

[tawdry blade]

[golden sluice]

isn't traveler not fighting much a good thing tho?

I remember him being called a witness a lot

in the beginning of the game

[slender haven]

Neuvi calls them that

[golden sluice]

Zhongli too

[slender haven]

But to be fair
He wouldn't want descenders to do much

[golden sluice]

yeah it's a good thing for me ngl

[tawdry blade]

Traveler is only 10% being a witness tho

[slender haven]

If Saarelainen becomes playable it will actually be so funny to compare the two

Gigachad vs weakling

[golden sluice]

praying it becomes 10%

the less involved the traveler is the better story is ngl

[golden sluice]

the 3rd descender yeah?

what feats does he have again

[slender haven]

I mean they might ascend to replace HP
But I doubt they'll go through with it

[tawdry blade]

Oh they will lol

[slender haven]

He had the power of all 7 gnoses presumably
Let Phanes kill him to protect his gf

[tawdry blade]

As much as you can hate Traveler,that wont change hoyo writing

[slender haven]

Unclear what else
But they seem cool

[slender haven]

No I mean the Traveler the character will refuse the position

[tawdry blade]

They pretty much revealed The Sibling can absorb unlimited abyss energy a reason

[golden sluice]

I have a feeling they'll follow HI3's way storywise, the mc ascends to something/somewhere and we get a new mc

[slender haven]

Because replacing one alien king with another alien king feels kinda wrong

[tawdry blade]

That is also obvious too ngl

But

Would be cool if hoyo allow Traveler to choose two option

Rule over HP or idk

[slender haven]

The new MC will be Nibelung's reincarnation trying to defeat the Abyss for good

Fuck

[tawdry blade]

Nibelung kinda homeless,he need food

[golden sluice]

choice 1 : rule over HP
choice 2 : refuse the position
if you choose the first option he'll say no but someone else says you don't have a choice and he'll accept it

[tawdry blade]

Does Hi3 new game carry over ur character ?

[golden sluice]

the illusion of choice in genshin

[golden sluice]

now that's a good mc

[slender haven]

Nah the ruler ending will be the bad one

[golden sluice]

as long as he has voicelines and isn't a self insert

[tawdry blade]

Not anymore kinda

[golden sluice]

not sure tbh, I just saw what the ending is

[tawdry blade]

Natlan WQ proved it

[slender haven]

Kinda hope Genshin 2 has a more consistent cast like HSR

[golden sluice]

yeah but it'll be just like Natlan WQ

you'll see what will happen

[tawdry blade]

I mean yes

Cuz the game wont eos

[golden sluice]

but you'll get the choiec again to choose the "right option"

[slender haven]

I mean most people will want to do both endings

[tawdry blade]

After the ending

[golden sluice]

I don't think the traveler not ascending should mean the end

I think it can be interesting

but it won't happen

[tawdry blade]

Teyvat is completely gone,no more exploring no more genshin

[golden sluice]

yeah I know but I wish it had something like the witcher 3 options or any other game with actual choices but this is a live game so

[golden sluice]

we explore with Surtalogi space

or voyager

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

you mean

a cast that appears

always?

instead of genshin having a new cast

every nation?

[slender haven]

Yeah kinda

Like how the main trio in HSR is TB, March, and Dan

[tawdry blade]

Since Fontaine ,Charlotte keep appearing

[slender haven]

Not Welt

[slender haven]

?

[golden sluice]

oh also

there are a lot of characters

who keep appearing

like Herta

Screwllum

the stellaron hunters

tho I think NK is nice with Albedo appearing

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

especially since he's my favorite playable character

[tawdry blade]

I think most character are too busy to go to our next region

And meet us

[golden sluice]

yeah that's why they should keep doing AQs in past nations

which they're doing a lot as of Natlan

[slender haven]

Yeah he's cool
The only consistent reoccurring character besides Traveler and Paimon though is like Dain

[tawdry blade]

There is 0% Amber is going to anywhere else

[golden sluice]

yeah Dainsleif too, I liked that he finally appeared in an AQ, bet he'll appear again in NK

[golden sluice]

well not Amber

people like Albedo

[slender haven]

I hope he gets an updated design eventually though

[golden sluice]

who have stuff to do outside their nations

[golden sluice]

same, looking at him and Albedo and then at the other characters back in 6.1 was so jarring

[tawdry blade]

30 dollar skin

[slender haven]

Skirk and Baizhu got updated designs when they came out
So we just have to wait 2 years for Dain to get one too

[tawdry blade]

I'd pull and buy if he was more meta tho

[golden sluice]

Dainsleif has been a guaranteed pull for me since I started the game

[slender haven]

Dain will definitely be meta lol

[golden sluice]

true, we just gotta wait two more years for Khaenriah

2 more years

at the bright side

I can't believe Snezhnaya is next year

[tawdry blade]

Probably

[slender haven]

Unless they release a new Nod-Krai type area in between lol

[tawdry blade]

Him getting powercreep by Paimon next patch

[golden sluice]

I kinda don't mind that a lot ngl

[tawdry blade]

Who would be Khaenriah God anyway

[golden sluice]

I don't think Paimon will be playable ngl

[slender haven]

Yeah same here actually
I want more playable lore characters

[tawdry blade]

I mean x.2 x.3 kind of character

[golden sluice]

not a god but a central character, I feel it might be a shade ngl

[slender haven]

1. Irmin
2. Vedrfolnir
3. Hroptatyr
4. Rhinedottir (most likely cause she's a woman)

[golden sluice]

I mean shades are gods

but yeah

[golden sluice]

I ALSO THOUGHT OF RHINEDOTTIR

also no way it's Irmin

Irmin has been portrayed as the most heinous mf

they're never making that mf playable

[slender haven]

That's until we get his tragic backstory

[tawdry blade]

[slender haven]

[tawdry blade]

Paimon was small in the start but grow bigger since then

[golden sluice]

we got Rerir's tragic backstory and he doesn't seem to be playable tho 😔

[slender haven]

No he will!

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[golden sluice]

Paimon is gonna be the 5th secret shade and she'll be playable in the end

[golden sluice]

bro on the half life 3 kind of cope

have you not learned

look at their subreddit

mfs are losing their minds

[slender haven]

I have

[golden sluice]

it's funny tho ngl

you know if Rerir didn't have a fiance

I'd be sure he's playable

eventually

[slender haven]

He's male

[golden sluice]

I remember we argued about this before

we'll see

I want him to be playable too

best intro in the game

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-impact-rerir-gi-rerir-rerir-genshin-impact-racher-of-solnari-gif-14973544994542256934

[slender haven]

I mean his drip marketing clearly wasn't for his boss fight
Since it came out after

[golden sluice]

I know

but I think it's just

foreshadowing

his comeback

look I want him to be playable as much as you do, I just don't trust hoyo

[slender haven]

In like 6 versions

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

that's a good argument, I've been coping about that

I just hope they keep

his design

the

[slender haven]

They might make his cape shorter

[golden sluice]

yeah idm that

but the uhhhhhh

what's the name of the things

around his body

I forgor

covering his face

[tawdry blade]

Bandage

[slender haven]

Bandage

[golden sluice]

yeah

I hope they don't get rid of them

[tawdry blade]

They will

[golden sluice]

[slender haven]

Just the ones over his face wouldn't be too bad

I guess

[golden sluice]

those are the best ones tho 💔

[slender haven]

I mean he already has his emo bangs over his eye 💔

Plus his mouth is pretty

[golden sluice]

I mean sure but

edgy is cool bro 😭

[slender haven]

Yeah I know

[tawdry blade]

@slender haven which lore included the 4 angel btw

[slender haven]

The what?

[tawdry blade]

Zibai Nicol,Yohual

[slender haven]

Azurelight

Skirk's weapon

[tawdry blade]

Alr thanks

[long crest]

ayo

[slender haven]

Looks kinda small honestly
But I'll wait till I see it in game

[slender haven]

It makes sense

The Abyss place is probably Rotwang related

Btw when are the world boss descriptions coming out?

[slender haven]

And when is that?

[tawdry blade]

An Abyssal creature that creeps through rifts in the hidden depths, quietly watching this world. Its eerie, faceless form is said to be nothing more than a projection, for its true body exists only as a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy.
Even invaders who seek to claim this world must obey its rules to some extent. Unless the heavens split open and the earth's defenses collapse, these star-born outsiders can do little more than linger at the world's fringes, whispering their madness into this realm, their attempts to seep inside amounting to nothing... But how long can this stability and order truly last?

This isnt the description ?

[slender haven]

I thought there were some other bosses though
A wolf one at least

[tawdry blade]

A lone wolf estranged from the local pack, with its teal mane indicating a bloodline from a faraway land. Perhaps it is the echo of its ancestors that still lingers in its veins, for it remains steadfast in guarding a sword cemetery long forgotten by the world. In the moonlight, it waits endlessly for a knight who will never find their way home.

[slender haven]

Ah ok

[tawdry blade]

A beast that has undergone a unique evolution due to age-long immersion in the ancient moon's power.
Legend has it that when a dark calamity wiped out countless lives, the frontier forests fell completely silent. In that stillness, the only sound to break the dead quiet was the howl of the Glacial Wolves calling to the moon. Night after night, their mournful cries echoed across the empty wilderness in the cold moonlight.

This one is elite enemy,the one above is Local Legend version

Only dottore and old granny doesn't have description

Oh nvm

Old granny have it

[slender haven]

Ok

[golden sluice]

it's a fan render of how it might look ingame

[golden sluice]

oh this is from the past?

I need

to look at it

with my pc

to zoom in properly

there's a blue patch on top of the chasm for some reason

oh that explains the blue patch

what else is missing

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

How bro felt after posting this

[golden sluice]

I saw it and read the first line and made the speed face

https://tenor.com/view/dottore-ishowspeed-gif-gif-968782123036126319

[tawdry blade]

I want to see how hoyo will implement this

But in Skirk Trailer we barely see Teyvat so I wonder why

I assume it is in one of the domain

Where we will be in the past before False sky exist

Also wondering if they will update it for newer player when more map is expanded (nvm)

Stormterror area look blue ?

Why are those look like ice lol

Ice age type shit?

[somber dagger]

https://x.com/theabyssordo/status/2002274154075344942?s=46

Swaraj (@TheAbyssOrdo)

I hope we can ask these questions to our beloved Columbina once the quest concludes. 🥹

X · Dec 20, 2025, 7:05 AM

i wonder what we’ll ask her

[distant citrus]

Royal court of seelie...in the new map

[tawdry blade]

I think most of the major questions will be asked and answered when we visit the moon anyway,high chance spaceship also appeared, the reason hoyo already added fully detailed spaceship is so leaker cant spoil it appearances in the story

[slender haven]

Varka the true archon confirmed

[golden sluice]

"about Dottore's death" he's living rent free in their mind 😭

[tawdry blade]

V4 is just text change right

Hope c6 bina buff

[somber dagger]

its about time he gets his arc

no shit hes on everybodys minds

woulda been wasted potential if they saved him for snezhnaya

sandrone kinda wasted

columbina would lwky still fit

[tawdry blade]

They ain't saving him for Snezhaya because they are building up the hype for Tsarista and Pierro anyways

It is no coincidence the Mondstatd fatui agent glazing pierro acting like he is aizen "it all according to my plan" and talking about Tsarista planned where Columbina would be or something

[slender haven]

And Capitano's return of course

[tawdry blade]

[clever vault]

@formal bluff

I think "Moonview" means its the same way MC see their spaceship

Yes it's the view of the past

You're right

We don't see any type of constructions...maybe it's about the time before the 2nd war

Moonview before it was destroyed by Phanes

[formal bluff]

sorry im back

i think the main 2 things i can see here
Liyue is under a lot of water
including chasm
the court of fontaine is gone and fontaine looks really flat

[clever vault]

[formal bluff]

Im not sure which moon it was again but we know that after one of the moons fall the chasm was full of water or that was a theory at leaat

Eternal moon i think

Yeahh

[clever vault]

Ah no...my bad...there's DragonSpine under some blurry clouds

[formal bluff]

dornman port looks huge if all of that above mondstadt is supposed to be the dornman port

yeah dornman port is blurry to

too

[clever vault]

Yeah right

[tawdry blade]

It was always cloudy

[clever vault]

The moonview map doesn't have any type of construction...maybe the Dev just don't wanna show us more info

[tawdry blade]

Until we fix the nail

[formal bluff]

what makes you say that

[tawdry blade]

Oh I completely missed that

[clever vault]

Oh...right...it's above Sumeru forrest

[tawdry blade]

Watasumi isnt made yet so yeah,before archon war

[clever vault]

If that the case then Fontain should have more land than water

I still see a lot of water parts sir

[tawdry blade]

Fontaine was never said to be a land

But north west does have big plains

Ye, which cut off that big plains

The mountain stay

[clever vault]

Here, we can see The Devs drew it wrong

[tawdry blade]

Do you think the moon view will be us traveling to the past or the light speed kind of logic

Highly just memories of the past but

[clever vault]

Logically, they should draw Fontaine with more land parts than water

[tawdry blade]

No,because Fontaine was just raised up

[clever vault]

No sir...pls remember what under Fontaine's sea

[tawdry blade]

Well,it sank down so it is impossible to raise up

[clever vault]

Mary Ann and her friend in the academy

The whole academy located under Fontaine's sea

[tawdry blade]

I dont think that change anything lol

[clever vault]

There were people, constructions, and stuff...it was on land before

Yes, but in that case there still must be land...where they built stuff on

Yes it sinks after it was built...i mean

[tawdry blade]

If they can build a Fortress under water I am sure they can do the same for those

We have to remember the Origins of Fontainian

Egeria was still alive to help with the construction

Oceanid was also there to help

[clever vault]

Anyway, the main purpose of this Moonview map...we don't know yet...so it doesn't need to be so detail like I think it could be
Maybe i'm just thinking too much

[tawdry blade]

I think it was built underwater so that Fontaine can never be truly sink down if it is alr underwater

Unlikely since we already have access to his domain,we are missing the moon palace domain

[clever vault]

Oh oh

I've seen a cool model of Dottore boss but i haven't seen the domain

Yeah he looks cool and evil 🫠

[tawdry blade]

If u watch the boss fight and ignore him then you can look around

[clever vault]

Hopefully we can see and read Dottore's main research room...where he stored all his juice

Wa wa...so nice...i can't wait

https://tenor.com/view/umaru-hyper-excited-happy-jump-gif-25119387

[distant citrus]

So the thousands winds was not created by istaroth but the nameless bard using her authority...

And Decarabian was actually a villain after all

[gray raven]

piramida music is so peak

[distant citrus]

Lang-Gan...that's the name then

[gray raven]

@ashen ocean listen to the favonius keep vocals now

IS THAT GERMAN

[formal bluff]

could pantalone be reed miller idk anything about reed miller at all

im asking because these reed miller artifacts give me big pantalone vibes

[formal bluff]

thata german omg

[distant citrus]

@ashen ocean
"But the mighty dragon who once stood alongside the Lord of Geo could not escape sudden ruin, trampling the flourishing lands of humanity's master."

Geo sovereign was not hostile to zhongli before abyss took over
Azdaha was also said to be in friendly terms with him no before the erosion occurred?

Probably another confirmation of him being the sovereign then

[tawdry blade]

~~Another confirmation of Dvalin is anemo sovereign ~~

[distant citrus]

He might as well be at this point ngl

They increased his size in durin quest after all

[distant citrus]

Read the en translation for artifacts and weapon
Not much new info here since earlier leaks...

Probably the only clarification I got was the nameless bard lore on thousands winds

[gray raven]

gotta wait for v5

[distant citrus]

Yes

[zinc pagoda]

May all dottore wanters be dottore havers

Any idea whose pov was this book

[tawdry blade]

Apparently the boss is another clone

The real is in Snez

Cant verify rn but

What reason for it to shield Traveler

And the Mondstatd dial

[zinc pagoda]

Which

[tawdry blade]

Dottore clone want Traveler to ascend? Crime pardoned

[zinc pagoda]

Please do it

Absolute cinema, these people are cooking soo hard I would be disappointed from hoyo if they do some asspull

[tawdry blade]

First time a Dottore Main reddit theory that is actually good

[golden sluice]

well not exactly confirm

but yeah

it does look like that's the case

[tawdry blade]

Although one problem is that it is just Traveler who is already special doing his experiment,so his goal of proving humans can ascend to gods pointless

[golden sluice]

yeah I agree with this

I'm hoping there's humans in that fight

probably Arlecchino

ah if you're talking about that one then yeah

[tawdry blade]

There wont be

Traveler deal with him alone in first phase

[golden sluice]

nah

Arlecchino is there

it's already leaked

[gray raven]

btw

[golden sluice]

probably more too

[tawdry blade]

I see

Make sense with Traveler kit

[gray raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsetyoLm54

[golden sluice]

no Fatui motif

that's nice I guess

but not having a Fatui motif is so weird

🥀

[distant citrus]

@ashen ocean why do zhongli mains cope that fallen star of chasm is him?

[gray raven]

arle's didn't have the fatui motif either

[golden sluice]

she didn't?

you sure?

[distant citrus]

It doesn't even need any new lore when it's already been told zhongli was still young when that star fell meaning he was not it

[gray raven]

yep

i wonder what the visuals will be for this

[tawdry blade]

What visual?

[golden sluice]

oh it appeared only once in the 1st phase

[gray raven]

nope

that's hearth motif

[golden sluice]

2:02 there it is
https://youtu.be/xyY4p90dRRA?si=NZehOmxVI-5xtwyl

[distant citrus]

@ashen ocean I have another theory on the fallen star aka morning star
It's the sun literally or at least a fragment of it...

[gray raven]

https://youtu.be/pJxm7AKE2mI?si=_WwvOVqZ2C2vDFOp&t=340
this is better

[golden sluice]

yeah I'm listening to it again rn

which means Dottore is the only one

😔

[distant citrus]

Probably not revealed yet

[golden sluice]

are there trumpets?

[gray raven]

is it phase 1

[golden sluice]

yea

[gray raven]

there's probably a reason why it's not there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQZSdE-Pobc
also this is in greek

[golden sluice]

I mean yeah he's my goat but damn I'm gonna miss the Fatui motif

[gray raven]

https://youtu.be/ad9BKOXxrk0?si=z-xQ-8tutszN0Vr3

and this is in german

[golden sluice]

oh yeah first time there's german music in the game

[tawdry blade]

Why is fav outpost so funny

Why is it floating

Why is there lasers

Why dont they fix the tower

Truly "favonius is incompetent "

[gray raven]

same motif as the domain track from Luna III
https://youtu.be/OtF7CY-MoRQ?si=dlrB_XRuz2NMeBgL

also bunch of music missing

will most likely be in v5

[distant citrus]

"At that time, The Winged One who tread upon morning stars and dwelt high above the moon became the Lord of the Eternal Heavens."

"That was the age when the three moons shared governance with the morning star. That was the age when Eternity was yet Eternity. "

This implies the morning star is refering to PO

"The sun's fierce light swept the heavens clean, but the freshly forged throne still reserved a place in the sky for the Three Sisters of the Moonlit Night."

Another instance of Sun being a reference to PO

[tawdry blade]

I mean,the sun can only be PO lol

Morning star = Sun rise in the morning

Sun is a star

[distant citrus]

"In those days, a blazing comet fell from the East, descending upon the Western frontiers. Unrest followed in its wake..."
"Thereafter, the Heavens toppled and the sea lay in ruin; the Earth was swallowed into chasms, deep as the whale dives. The folk perished, and the realm was left to woe..."

This is most likely the arrival of the 2nd descender

Or it could be the same star that fell and created chasm...

But considering the line "heavens toppled" I'm leaning towards it being 2nd descender

[golden sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1U2LnXd5GE

is this Nicole?

the voice doesn't sound the same

[distant citrus]

Sounds similar to me

[golden sluice]

ig so

wait is Mondstadt at the west of Teyvat?

"draped in the west wind"

that's what Nicole said about the Favonius Knights

[surreal dome]

Is there new stuff about varka

[gray raven]

new music

[clever vault]

Mondstadt has 4 guardians...represent 4 directions

[golden sluice]

oh yea I forgor

yeah ty

[gray raven]

btw

anyone know what the track names mean

[clever vault]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-yuri-kiss-genshin-genshin-impact-furina-gif-8837411434706991834

[gray raven]

anyone else listened to all the music?

[gray raven]

@distant citrus @ashen ocean @golden sluice

[golden sluice]

oh sorry I don't listen to beta music much

im watching it rn

[gray raven]

you should rn

[golden sluice]

is there something interesting?

oh do you know this youtuber?

watched him a bit during Natlan

and his takes on twitter are nice

didn't know he made a Dottore theory like this

[gray raven]

dottore lab music is also there

[golden sluice]

tf

I gotta check

where do I find it again

[gray raven]

telegram

[distant citrus]

@ashen ocean did you see?

[golden sluice]

I'll check

@ashen ocean im 5 minutes in and he's talking about Dottore being a reincarnated dragonlord isn't he

https://tenor.com/view/lets-take-a-look-cheetah-cheetah-backing-away-cheetah-look-gif-8568505709322122135

[distant citrus]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/"Boatman"'s_Task

"The silvery vessel patrolled between mountains and seas at the moment when day and night intertwined.
In the age when the pulse of earthen bones had not yet yielded to the heavens, the vessel guided the souls of the untainted,
Ferrying them across the corrupted mortal realm and the frigid atmosphere to rest in peace on the dark side of the moon, hidden from view."

...Tsurumi island lore now coming back with vengeance

[distant citrus]

Columbina is the Lord of the crossroads...

"But, in the dark night, were there truly only three paths that they saw?
In the memories that belonged to her alone, a golden star not of this world
Was reflected in the cold, lonely courtyard under the silver moon — that strand of starlight always lingered in her heart...
Linger it did, even across millions of years, even across countless worlds long extinguished.
That star, once captured in her gaze, would surely illuminate her journey home...

In the next timeless instant of such unwavering belief, begins the era when three are no longer three.
At the edge of darkness, the Lord of the Crossroads looked back at the fourth path beyond the three-way fork,
Amid honeyed veils of dreamy hues, she tarried silently, waiting for the appointed meeting with her companions beneath the stars. "

[golden sluice]

what the fuck are you playing bro

[distant citrus]

"Two of the three bright moons that caused the perfumed sea of the primordial universe to shine and stirred up the beasts of the Arianrhod Realm were shredded by a sword that tore the horizon asunder, left in smithereens too small even for the mystical sight of the Prinzessin."

"Above the night sky, the daughters of dreams and poetry kept vigilant, unceasing watch over the mortal world's every change.
In the deep slumber of the Arianrhod Realm, at the foot of the seventy-tiered staircase, beside the gleaming silver vessels.
Until they heard that the hearts of these pitiful little humans would also stir with the lunar quakes..."

Damn... Fischl lore was actually real lore....

Perfume sea is also real...

[golden sluice]

he deadass said it at some point

[distant citrus]

Lord of the crossroads is columbina not Yohualtecuhtin
She was there all this time...

Not rebellion but the og war with 7 sovereign

Yes

No her weapon actually

It's describing the 2 moons death this is from the fischl weapon that was released long long ago...

Also mention of Arianrhod realm which is now also mentioned in the new artifact

Aftermath

During the time when humans were around but the laws of heaven were still being written by celestia
Before the humans gained intellect

Yes

Probably the older name for sublunary sphere

[golden sluice]

well that's close enough to being a dragonlord, funny thing is he still didn't mention Dottore once

[distant citrus]

PO forbade the moon sisters from taking pity at humans

"Yet, it could not draw the gaze of the three mistresses of the golden hall to meet the eyes of the children of humankind.
The Lord of the Seven Calamities would not tolerate the gods showing mercy for the petty sufferings of the mortal world,
Before the primordial laws, only complete submission and humble reverence could be considered true care for humanity."

Ye and we know PO killed those 2 moons

[golden sluice]

Pneuma and Ousia making pure elemental energy when clashing with one another and comparing it to the energy source in deshret's kingdom and he's mostly talking about information we know summarizing it

and the form of the seelies

[distant citrus]

Did you see that tsurumi lore?

Boatman ferrying the souls into the moon palace...

[golden sluice]

yea he did bring up lunar energy

he's also insinuating that Morax knows about worlds from the outside and has space powers

similar to Asmoday

yeah that's one of his points

[distant citrus]

I saw the comments from reddit leak where they said that Lord of the crossroads aka columbina was already there in Tsurumi murals inscription...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/qbj0b6/tsurumi_murals_revisit/

This lore from 4 years ago talks about it

Absolute crazy lore building...

Read the lore thread it's very good

But for short the 6th mural was translatee by op as this basically...

This inscription now reads: "You all, powerful, were called Triviae and Lunae, by (your) fake lights."

Fake lights (Nothis luminibus) refers to the fact that light of the moon is ultimately from the sun.

Trivia is the epithet of Diana, it literally means "crossroad", or "three-way"

And in the latest weapon lore columbina is the Lord of crossroads

...trivia is the combination of Diana, Selene, Hecate

Lore is loring

[golden sluice]

bruh I hope that kind of Dottore fans doesn't argue he's a good guy now

there's deadass some fans

who think Dottore is a good guy

I just hope he doesn't get sanitized

we'll see

if this is a rebelling segment ong im crashing out

[tawdry blade]

A rebellious segment would straight up using the moon power to destroy the fatui by now lol

[slender haven]

Man HP defenders are do fucking stupid vro 💔

They're like tankies on crack

Every time there's a new leak about Koitar and Seutervoinen they shit themselves to cope about how much Koitar despises Phanes lmao

I just had to get that off my chest

[golden sluice]

they're calling her stupid in the celestia sub

[slender haven]

And the Leaks sub

[golden sluice]

there are celestia defenders in the leaks sub?

[slender haven]

Lol, all Celestia fans are probably....something I shouldn't say

[slender haven]

Yeah

They spread like cancer

I mean they are Genshin fans so like they appear in other Genshin subs

[golden sluice]

the way they go so far

to defend them

hold on lemme show u something

[golden sluice]

I took this screenshot earlier today

ts gave me an aneurysm 💔

[slender haven]

They're holding so closely onto the "False Sky protects Teyvat from the Abyss!!!" shit it's insane

[slender haven]

Literally Vindagnyr did fucking nothing wrong and got nailed

[golden sluice]

not only that

even the celestial nails

[golden sluice]

they'll either ocme up with something or say "we don't have the full context"

[slender haven]

"save the world from the Abyss"
And also destroy their enemies lol

[slender haven]

I saw someone say that the Hillichurl curse was caused by the Abyss and not HP 💔

[golden sluice]

are they deadass 💔

[slender haven]

They were

[golden sluice]

oh my god bruh how much cope do they have

what even was their proof of that

[slender haven]

Idk
Ukko from Vindagnyr got cursed to a hillichurl too so they said it had something to do with the Abyss?

Idk

[golden sluice]

pretty sure we had a lot more hints that point it's a curse from celestia

[slender haven]

Chlothar literally says that

[golden sluice]

yeah

the full blooded

khaenrians

having the immortality curse

while the rest got the curse of the wilderness

[slender haven]

He also explictly says it was a "punishment" for Khaenri'ah not "poor widdle innocent Phanes had to protect the ley lines"

It's insane how the Ley line protection theory isn't dead yet

Capitano literally disproved it as clear as day

[golden sluice]

because of the souls of his comrades?

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

yeah I suppose that's right

there's a reason

even the gods who know a lot aren't fond of celestia

[slender haven]

Literally none of them are

[golden sluice]

so what's the excuse to make Ronova who puts the curse of immortality playable? that she was bound by the rules?

[slender haven]

Venti: hates them
Zhongli: Had to sign an NDA not to talk shit about them
Ei: Hates them
Nahida: doesn't give a shit about them
Mavuika: Had to get her ass saved by Capitano from them
Tsaritsa: Needs no explanation

[clever vault]

She's hot and sexy

[slender haven]

Yeah

[clever vault]

[golden sluice]

that too yeah

[slender haven]

"just folllowing orders" headass

[golden sluice]

I know about the rest but

when did Ei

implied she hated them or anything like that?

[slender haven]

Yae mentions that Ei rejected them when she figured she didn't need the gnosis anymore
Also the Sacred Sakura "defies them"

[tawdry blade]

What is the point of this when the abyss is still the main antagonist regardless

[golden sluice]

oh I remember the first bit but ig I get the sacred sakura

technically the sacred sakura is an act of rebellion by Istaroth right?

[slender haven]

And Makoto
Collaborative effort

[slender haven]

Both Blackbeard and Imu are the villains of One Piece
There can be more than one villain

[golden sluice]

personally I don't think the abyss will be the end of it all

it's too cliche

[slender haven]

I think it will be like, the Abyss consumes Phanes and we fight them
Two birds one stone

[tawdry blade]

That why I said main,because other is just side antagonist

[golden sluice]

I think he's already being consumed by the abyss at least yeah

[golden sluice]

Phanes is no way Phanes is the side antagonist

[slender haven]

Possibly yeah

[golden sluice]

all this build up

it's gonna be Phanes in the end

[tawdry blade]

He is if the abyss really have someone behind it

[slender haven]

They're technically the name of the game sort of
They are the demiurge

[golden sluice]

now that's actually an interesting approach

I do hope the abyss has a sentient mind behind it

[clever vault]

[tawdry blade]

I forgot which lore /description but I remember it questioning whether the abyss have mastermind or sentient mind ,whatever u want to call it

[golden sluice]

yeah all this build up just for Phanes to not be the end of it all would be underwhelming, besides even if he was protecting teyvat from the abyss he did way too much to just be forgotten because he was protecting Teyvat

[golden sluice]

I think I know what you're talking about, it's a small implication but not outright confirmation

since genshin

[slender haven]

You can either be eaten by an abyssal blob or live under a cruel tyrant for eternity

[tawdry blade]

Honestly I don't mind if we fight Phanes,I only care about the shade playability except R because I dislike her

[golden sluice]

has a lot of lovecraftian inspiration im hoping the abyss has an "outer god" behind it, one above the level of Phanes and Nibelung

[clever vault]

Alice is protecting Teyvat...i dont see Phanes or the shades doing anything

[golden sluice]

if I was a teyvat citizen I'd rather die

[slender haven]

Rhinedottir is going to be archon of Khaenri'ah at this rate 🥀

[slender haven]

That would be similar to HI3 too
The Honkai has a will behind it too

[golden sluice]

I talked about it with a friend earlier and we both agreed Rhinedottir is most likely the archon figure of Khaenriah

[slender haven]

Not even Alice likes Phanes bro

[clever vault]

[golden sluice]

you're missing the full context bro they're carrying teyvat fr

[golden sluice]

yeah their stories are similar af too

[clever vault]

[slender haven]

Well living under the seven archons isn't too bad since Phanes is comatose and unable to have their "perfect world"

[golden sluice]

well, living in Liyue isn't that bad actually post cataclysm

[slender haven]

Or Mondstadt

[golden sluice]

it depends on how much of a danger that dragon in the webtoon was to Monstadt

I forgot its name tho

[tawdry blade]

No way

I expect abyss sibling

[slender haven]

Uhh
Ursa was its name

[slender haven]

Nah

[tawdry blade]

Abyss sibling paywalled

[golden sluice]

nah noo way

[tawdry blade]

[slender haven]

Unless they get a redesign they won't be

My main two guesses are Vedrfolnir or Rhine
Maybe Irmin if they're feeling fucking crazy

[tawdry blade]

Who know,NodKrai improved a lot so it is possible they locked in and made two complete new design for 5 star lumine aether

[golden sluice]

oh yea, I don't remember if they ever mentioned it again ingame so idk how much was it affecting Mond

[tawdry blade]

Abyss ver

[slender haven]

Lowkey I think they're a manga invention
They're never brought up in game

[tawdry blade]

And light ver

[slender haven]

But it wasn't too bad

[golden sluice]

im hoping it's Irmin just because Vedrfolnir is already on the steps to be a "good" guy and Rhinedottir is pretty much playable

[slender haven]

It was apparently dormant for most of history

[golden sluice]

yeah that's true

[slender haven]

Vedrfolnir isn't really that good
Since he influenced Rerir and probably the other Sinners too

[golden sluice]

ah then Mond is fine ig, Liyue still is the best choice

[golden sluice]

stop manifesting bro

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

fuck the abyss sibling

[tawdry blade]

[golden sluice]

actually

i think you have a point

new khaenriah is their creation

the inevitable showdown is at that time

yea you got a point

[tawdry blade]

Aether vs Lumine is expected tbh..

[golden sluice]

yeah but they'll just say it was all a plan to do something noble

[slender haven]

I guess lol

[golden sluice]

I'm hoping it's Irmin

I miss the last time we had a male archon figure

nvm I wasn't even playing back then

🥀

[slender haven]

Yeah that would be kinda cool

[slender haven]

I remember when we thought the dendro archon would be male

[golden sluice]

I was literally about to mention it

all because of a translation error wasn't it

[slender haven]

Yeah

But still
I thought 3:4 was a good ratio

[golden sluice]

it is a good ratio

[slender haven]

At least we have Neuvillette

[golden sluice]

2:5 tho

[golden sluice]

yeah but

he technically wasn't

[slender haven]

2:6 now with Columbina 💀

[slender haven]

Yeah

But it helps a little

[golden sluice]

ong im crashing out if it's Rhinedottir

in Khaenriah

7:2 now

if it's her

[slender haven]

They'll reveal she has actually become the fifth descender and was secretly controlling Khaenri'ah the entire time and Irmin was just her servant

[golden sluice]

I feel they didn't give him much justice considering the promotional material and release date, not something fitting of a sovereign tbh, I hope the inevitable pyro sovereign gets treated like a "main push"

[golden sluice]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised

about the second part

[tawdry blade]

That mean we can kill her,good

[slender haven]

Would be nice if they got an animated video or something

[tawdry blade]

That what she get for taking Naberius from me

[slender haven]

No no no she'll say "sorry" and then we forgive her

[golden sluice]

yeah

[golden sluice]

you're delusional

we're gonna act like nothing happened

and be all chummy with her

cz she's Albedo's mom

[slender haven]

She'll wear cat ears

[golden sluice]

it's gonna turn out it wasn't her

it was Sebas

her evil cat

[golden sluice]

bro thinks the shade of life, one of the 5 sinners of Khaenriah can die

[slender haven]

Yes

[tawdry blade]

We Naberius'd her

[golden sluice]

she's a parasite

she'll find a way

[tawdry blade]

It wasn't even her cat either,just abyssal cat minic

[golden sluice]

yeah another one of her "children"

@slender haven is Ronova the one who does the curse of the wilderness too or was it not specified?

[slender haven]

No we don't know who did it

[slender haven]

It may have been Naberius though

[golden sluice]

that's what I thought too

considering she can affect life

[slender haven]

Yeah
Would make her getting eaten more ironic too

Istaroth, the only non psychopath Shade 🥀

[golden sluice]

I was about to ask you

what crimes did Asmoday and Istaroth commit

[slender haven]

Asmoday, stopped the Travelers from leaving and technically started the whole game, also may have made the False Sky and her new master is unclear

Istaroth, not really anything too bad actually, seems rebellious against the HP since she keeps helping mortals survive or resist tyranny

[golden sluice]

eh the traveler can fuck themselves but making the false sky oh yea

[slender haven]

Probably has some link to Alice too

Considering she's the current border control

[golden sluice]

their design is eerily similar too

[slender haven]

Same eyes

[golden sluice]

and I don't think Alice spouting all that nonsense about being the final villain is

[slender haven]

Or similar ones at least

[golden sluice]

simple nonsense

[golden sluice]

the hair too

same color

and ahoge

placement

so how is Barbeloth able to read the constellations

and there was something interesting in her tarot card I gotta read it rq

[slender haven]

Hydromancy

[golden sluice]

the place she's in is interesting at least

[slender haven]

Yeah
One thing I always found interesting is that Remuria's notes mention a civilization of astrologers or something
B could be from there

[golden sluice]

honestly other than Alice Barbeloth seems the most sus

[slender haven]

Octavia?

[golden sluice]

Octavia is another subject

I was about to say it