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distant citrus
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Iirc name of unified civ that existed where modern mondstadt does

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Or maybe it's during the time of decarabian

golden sluice
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oh

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why would she leave for it when it's destroyed like every other unified civilization

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fair

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actually what if we get its ruins

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with the

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6.4 dornman port expansion

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since they mention it like a patch before it

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yeah

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they always like mentioning

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new areas or characters a few patches before their release

fossil furnace
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@ashen ocean my god i just realized how insane gold is with the new 6.3 lore like how tf did she manage to get through naberius and not die like the nameless bard

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not really but ngl the power scaling implication of a shade being able to impart powers and it was too much for the bard...and venti is okay

gray raven
distant citrus
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Bard was human who couldn't handle istaroth power that's why he was erased from time

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to me it's more of a good power scaling implication

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like

bard died
venti lived
gold lived

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does 3 moons = a shade

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power wise

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a shade's blessing
gnosis
moon marrow
moonwheel
vision

distant citrus
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Decarabian basically tried to do havaria
But unlike havaria who was lesser God
Decarabian was God king
And so bard played istaroth's instrument which itself was venti and countered the decarabian blow

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Price was he couldn't handle it and died

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And them the spirit took his form and became venti but we already knew that

fossil furnace
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tbf descender isn't a... tangible power up so i'm not including it (ik it's very strong though)

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like they did have to chop up a descender's body for the 7 gnosis

gray raven
fossil furnace
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i think this is a safe uh...ranking of obtainable power-up's as of now

  • a shade's blessing
  • 3 moon marrows = 1 descender worth of power
  • 7 gnosis = 1 descender (literally)
  • a moon marrow
  • a gnosis
  • a moonwheel
  • a vision
distant citrus
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Moon sisters thought of fighting PO but backed out once they knew he would utterly crush them C_TaoHehe
PO built different I'm afraid

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No it's from new artifacts lore C_TaoHehe

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Faced with this uninvited visitor, the three guardians representing the planet's will were at a loss, arguing endlessly. But whether to submit or rebel, to fight or die, the King of Armies would mercilessly crush everything in his way.

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Yeah there's something different about him
His powerscaling is just beyond other descenders
Only abyss got him and even then he managed somehow

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Next two years are going to be so good for genshin in terms of stories C_HuPepeSmile

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Moon sisters are called the daughter of night
And new lore also relates PO with day
Probably wrong translation though
I'll wait for official one to confirm

gray raven
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anyone listened to the new ost

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no

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not yet

golden sluice
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unfortunate

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@ashen ocean @distant citrus did u guys see the translated Hex set

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telegram

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nah

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hxg diluc translated it

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he's chinese

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The moment Decarabian died, it generate huge amount of energy that will become disaster (Like the salt goddess)
The rebels has no way to stop it.
At that moment, the nameless bard stand up and plucked the strings.

Thousands and thousands "wishes desire for freedom" from different era concentrate, strong enough to pluck the string that owned by "Time" for an instant. It's a simulated power of Time: "Millennial Movement: Mondstadt"

Hate of Decarabian is then diluted to harmless by transferring them to different era...

Yet the power of "Time" is so strong that it wiped out him name, his flesh and bones.

At that time, a little wind spirit quickly and quietly pick a fragment of time, and a name that no one can save.

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this is a tldr I think

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he didn't translate all pieces

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he made a tldr of the lore

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in them

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transported to a different time?

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just like Mare Jivari

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wow Venti and Istaroth really like solving their problems by throwing them in another time

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🥀

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well the bard and Venti in this case

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they're both using Istaroth's power

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is that how Venti got the ability to do time stuff

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he picked up what the dead bard remains left

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huh

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all this theories about how Venti was related to Istaroth

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just for it to be like this

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wait have I misunderstood something

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where was it said he was sent by uer

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her*

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oh ok

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hmm

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I'll check

golden sluice
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yea couldn't find shit

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aight

long crest
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@ashen ocean The crazy thing is
if bina actually went back 6000 years into the past to when the moons actually existed
then ALICE just gave bina a fucking bomb

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a bomb with which she can utterly annihilate her enemies with
6000 years in the past
during one of the most pivotal moments in teyvat's history

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what's she gonna use the bomb for

distant citrus
golden sluice
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yeah you're right

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next week I suppose

golden sluice
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oh he said that?

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did that happen before or after the decarabian thing

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yeah

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oh btw

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which moon had the authority over death

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?

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so the iridiscent moon

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hmm yeah ig Venti has connections to Istaroth then

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ah alright

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also

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if each moon had an authority over

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something

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that means there is a 4th moon before Bina no?

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I mean it doesn't make sense

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I thought each shade would mirror a moon

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like Ronova to Iridiscent moon

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pyro and aauthority over death

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but ig that's not the case

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fairs

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yeah what about him

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kapacir the tsurumi island

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god?

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I thought Ronova's element was more of pyro 🤔

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also

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how did she favor him?

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to rule over it?

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oh I see

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cz as far as I know

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if the shades favor someone

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they'd give them something to make them win the archon war

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how

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bro wasn't interested in ruling

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if he had then his dear kid who sings wouldn't have died ngl

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the first leak that said Sandrone dies

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said Dottore runs away too

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it also lines up with the voiceline leaks of the Mond Fatui

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maybe fail and runs away

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who knows

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we'll see

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can't wait for the stream

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do u watch it usually

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yeah

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can't wait for it

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I hope they tease the playable characters for the next 6 months like they did with Natlan

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nahhh it happened during 5.3's livestream

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I remember it well

golden sluice
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@ashen ocean I just saw someone say Dottore's boss theme has trumpets?

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when I listened to it I didn't hear any

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can u please verify it I don't wanna listen to it again

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found this in the comments section of lazio's theme

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please try verifying it

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I love the trumpets a lot I don't want them to not include them in his boss theme

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then where did that guy hear the trumpets in his boss theme?

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crsecendo?

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NIIIIIICE

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I thought they abandoned

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the trumpets

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judging from his two osts

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in the 6.2 quest

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the cutscene and the one where they're talking about him

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peak

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wdym

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oh really? do you have the cutscene's theme without anyone talking or sound effects?

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didn't find any so far

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oh nothing I said it all, it just feels like they abandoned the trumpets judging from those two themes

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ah alright

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@ashen ocean

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what do u think of this one

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yeah

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when Scaramouche was talking about him after the cutscene

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oh damn

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I wish there was trumpets toh

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but his boss theme trumpets

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that's good enough

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I hope they add the Fatui motif

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later

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surely they will add it

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why not

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ehhh it's still unfinished tho

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I mean

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the Fatui motif only appears for a few secs

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im sure they can sneak it in

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they it for all Fatui bosses

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not doing it for Dottore is stupid tbh

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well not stupid

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questionable

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true but like I said

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the Fatui motif only appears for a few secs

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it has to appear

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I hope they do, he's gonna feel like the odd one out compared to the rest of weekly harbinger bosses

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the last beta update yeah

slender haven
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So I see the artifact and weapon lore got leaked
Summarize for me

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Yeah I think I saw that

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I think it's just about the Three Moons in general

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I skimmed through them a little

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It also says that the HP didn't intimidate them with raw power but rather that the Moons were just confused that The HP wasn't the prophesized end of Teyvat Nibelung feared (I.E. the Abyss)

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And that Nibelung left to find an answer to find an answer to the Abyss, not just to find Seuter

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But I'll have to look closer

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Wait the Hexenzirkel lore mentions "Arcadia"

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That's probably going to be an ancient civilization in Dornman's Port

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Also Decarabien upscale, which in turn means Andrius upscale

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I'm tired rn so I'll read the rest later

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But it seems very likely we'll be getting Dornman's Port/Mondstadt expansion soon
Since one of the artifact sets always foreshadow upcoming content

golden sluice
slender haven
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But yeah Dornman's Port is likely

golden sluice
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it lines up with Varka's release tho

slender haven
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Hoyoverse is weird idk

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I know

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He's standard lol

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Will probably be a mid DPS

golden sluice
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forgot its name

golden sluice
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why a standard character for Mond bruh

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we already have three of them

slender haven
golden sluice
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no no

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the one in Mond

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they told me about it earlier

slender haven
golden sluice
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no no

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another

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🥀

slender haven
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Arcadia? They mention it in the set
Dude you gotta give me something

golden sluice
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yes

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Arcadia

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dude I just realized it exists today 😭

slender haven
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I guess that means the City of Ys will come out eventually too

golden sluice
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city of Ys?

slender haven
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Probably under Mt Esus if I had to guess

golden sluice
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oh

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is that all they said about it

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City of Ys

slender haven
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Pretty much
I think Ann just refers to them in a sentence about fairy tales

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Nothing about what was actually in them

golden sluice
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hmm

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all of them will probably be

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like Tollen

slender haven
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Dragon lore?

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I hope

golden sluice
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well I didn't mean that, I meant like release a place like the volcano which looks empty then u open that entire map

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like Enkanomiya and Remuria

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et

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c

slender haven
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You mean underground?
Yeah that's what I thought too

golden sluice
slender haven
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I guess

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We kind of have enough on the Unified Civ

golden sluice
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they'll bring with them shades lore and stuff

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etc

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so it won't be just that

slender haven
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We need more Sovereign lore too though

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Like if Dvalin is the Anemo Sovereign or not

golden sluice
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yeah but those cities were made after the fall of the dragons

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unless there's more cities

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like Tollen

slender haven
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Ochkanatlan was built on dragon ruins

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Also Lohen will probably be pyro
Since his name literally means "burning"

golden sluice
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in what language?

golden sluice
slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
golden sluice
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anything to make my Emilie better ngl

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but he's standard

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so he's cooked

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💔

slender haven
golden sluice
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your goat is seated

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oh since you mentioned the sovereigns, which sovereigns do we know nothing of atm?

slender haven
golden sluice
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still living ✌️

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
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hold on let me remember

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dendro is apep

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still alive

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anemo is supposedly Dvalin

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that would be lame af tho

slender haven
golden sluice
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he has no aura

slender haven
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He has a domain expansion technically

golden sluice
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he bent the knee to the HP tho

slender haven
golden sluice
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and working under one of their archons

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ah

slender haven
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Venti just gaslit the population into thinking he's working for him

golden sluice
slender haven
golden sluice
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didn't Neuv start getting them back

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before getting his authority?

slender haven
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We haven't seen Dvalin in like 3 years so it's hard to say

golden sluice
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Dvalin remembering stuff from the past and getting his sovereign aura would be peak

golden sluice
slender haven
golden sluice
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ok anemo sovereign aside

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what about Geo sovereign?

slender haven
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Literally called a dragon king

golden sluice
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I thought so but what's making us 99% sure?

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ah yeah I remember that

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I do remember them calling him the vishaps king

slender haven
golden sluice
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ooo ok yea he's def the geo sovereign

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what happened to him

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in zhongli's sq

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i forgot

slender haven
golden sluice
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erosion?

slender haven
golden sluice
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oh

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why is a geo sovereign connected to ley lines?

slender haven
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He also has a tree tail so

golden sluice
slender haven
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They just altered them

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They always existed

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But anyways geo Sovereign down

golden sluice
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yeah I suppose

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I hope we get more of him

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that's two down

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hydro Neuv

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dendro apep

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4 down

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cryo and electro unknown

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pyro is definitely playable since it's confirmed he's reincarnating as a human

slender haven
golden sluice
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oh really? I thought they said he's reincarnating as a human in Natlan's WQs?

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then what makes u think he's playable eventually?

slender haven
slender haven
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But Xiuhcoatl's name card says he'll have a "reawakening"

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And I got a big theory on him

golden sluice
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pretty sure I saw people in here or lore basement discussing how he's confirmed to be reincarnated as a human

slender haven
# golden sluice what is it

It's kinda crazy but I think Enjou is the Pyro Sovereign reincarnation
Since he's the lava Walker who was an immortal human immune to fire

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And we don't know Enjou's home land

golden sluice
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oh I think you told me this when

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we talked about Enjou

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and Mare Jivari

slender haven
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I actually really like it
I'm still procrastinating on typing it out fully though lol

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He doesn't mention Tollan

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That's actually some of my evidence

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He doesn't mention Natlantea

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He shows interest in Ajaw

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And the saurians

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He wanted to

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He had to leave though

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Cause Enjou has amnesia
That's been established

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Cause he wanted the Mare Jivari
That's his main goal

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Ajaw also has memory loss too as well

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He wants to see it in its prime

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Could have been the dragon civilization as a whole then

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I think it would be a cool twist if it was Anemo and not pyro
Since Anemo is connected to time and Phoenixes revive themselves
So it'd be like them rewinding the time of their deaths

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Probably something to do with the Angels I guess

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Or it's the Lavawalker's true form or something

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A lizard evolving into a bird

golden sluice
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I mean

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look at the

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cuqusaurs whatever their name is

slender haven
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Kukulkan had feathers on his tail too

golden sluice
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also Pheonix would be a way better form than whatever form the dragons evolved to in Natlan

slender haven
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Literally a feathered serpent

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Like Quetzalcoatl

golden sluice
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I know he disboeys death, how does he disobey time and space?

slender haven
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That's how he fought the Wanderer's Troupe

golden sluice
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isn't that a result of Venti throwing Mare Jivari?

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why did Venti separate it from the current timeline too?

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is every incident related to Mare Jivari due to Bakunawa trying to break out?

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since he can disoby space and time

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hmm

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how the fuck did Rhinedottir create this

slender haven
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Bakunawa probably has moon powers

golden sluice
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yeah but she created it

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fuck did she do

slender haven
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Since his arms have red and blue on it like the Kuuvahki powers

slender haven
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Probably

golden sluice
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hmm

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moon powers huh

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im wondering

slender haven
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The Moons had control over life and time too so it makes sense that Bakunawa can alter them

golden sluice
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did Rerir body get corrupted with Kuuvahki/ moon stuff when he get shredded in the other side of the gate?

slender haven
golden sluice
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that's what I was thinking, we don't know why Rerir screamed Rhinedottir's name

slender haven
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We still don't know how the Moon Gate grinds people

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No

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No it was before he imprisoned the Moons

golden sluice
slender haven
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When he was in space

slender haven
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That's just cause they only used gold and white

golden sluice
slender haven
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No blacks or purples allowed

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Nicole says Nibelung brought the Abyss

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That's cause they had colored murals unlike Hyperborea

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No he couldn't

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He already arrived back on Teyvat

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Nibelung arrives corrupted
Moons debate whether or not to side with him
Nibelung imprisons then
Nibelung dies

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They weren't imprisoned immediately
It took time

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No

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It isn't

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All the other murals don't have color too

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That's still just grey
No color

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After he arrived on Teyvat

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The Hymns say he was corrupted in space
Which is true

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Before he met the Moons again

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Pohjola is just space
Not the Abyss

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That's just a metaphor for space

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Abyss corrupted space

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It is
Maybe HP was trapped beyond the False Sky after the Funerary Year

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Space is dark

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Last I checked

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No

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He isn't

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It doesn't say that

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It says he went to space to find and answer to defeat the Abyss
And was gone for millennia

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More proof the Abyss weakened him

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The Moons are consistently the stupidest motherfuckers in existence honestly

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Fuck them

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Yeah that's for the best
Durin's weapon lore was incomprehensible before the official translation

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No

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That's no confirmed

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Only Octavia honestly
Just more lore on the space outside Teyvat

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And the planets fight against the Abyss

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Yeah that too

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Octavia is going to have some crazy lore ngl

golden sluice
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what does Durin weapon talk about?

slender haven
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I think Nibelung had the Genesis Pearl honestly

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I mean he's literally called the forger of Genesis in his Hymn

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Also the video shows the pearl with an abyssal serpent, like Nibelung

tawdry blade
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That sound familiar

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I think the battle pass is also Genesis Hymn or something similar

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Or I have schizophrenia

long crest
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No lmao
But Alice's bomb might currently be 6000 years in the past.

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Could just be a safety precaution by Alice to help Bina, but they included that snippet of Alice giving her a bomb for a reason.

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Likely as a setup for her using it cleverly in the next arc.

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean the morning star in the latest artifact lore is most likely the solar chariot aka the stars of daybreak
So it makes sense where it's said that PO came treading the morning star

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I'm also pretty sure the chariot is not actual chariot but a spaceship

tawdry blade
long crest
tawdry blade
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Maybe she use it to modify Traveler spaceship now our spaceship can shot a bomb that annihilate planetC_TaoHehe

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Put that aside,if she went to the past then.. she hid the spaceship

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And that one leak of Traveler spaceship is in the Moon palace might be true

tawdry blade
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Finally found one of the irrelevant leak

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So blackcliff release might involve liyue buff

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Abyss leaking out and Mondstatd being attack soon C_HuSusge

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Also bina passive that let her trigger lunar by herself,and people doubt that smh

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I will look for the spaceship leak later

tawdry blade
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Yeah finally found it

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The first one was wrong but the name one make sense cuz it is indeed her first nameC_TaoHehe

slender haven
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No

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He just has a snake on his chess piece
Rerir is called a snake by Nefer

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It isn't actually
The snake isn't eating itself

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It's just a curled up snake

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Persoanlly my theory is that Nibelung traveled to the Travelers' home world before he got corrupted and helped them with their technology. That's why they have Inteyvats, because Nibelung gifted them to the planet.

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Because how else would they get them

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It's about why they left their home world to begin with

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The Abyss travels the entire universe. It could be anything Abyss related

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Like Nibelung

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The Serpent didn't

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The Sibling just got tricked by darkness

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Show me where it says the serpent tricked them

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The serpent is just the one holding the genesis pearl
Because it's Nibelung

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Wouldn't make sense for Vedrfolnir to have the Genesis pearl

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I know because they were born after Nibelung visited their planet most likely

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But the kingdom still knew about him and sent the Travelers after him

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They spent like several thousand years in space searching for Teyvat
Remember the Sibling always wanted to see where inteyvats grew with the Traveler correct?

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That's because Nibelung left the inteyvats there

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It literally shows the serpent curled around the pearl
it doesn't show the serpent tricking them though

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That's because she went to Khaenri'ah and got tricked by Irmin or something

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Khaenri'ah is also probably linked to Nibelung

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She was searching for Nibelung
But found Khaenri'ah, which Nibelung use to be probably

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Vedrfolnir could have links to Nibelung too for all we know

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His prophecy powers have an unknown origin

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He had prophecy powers before too

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I think the Black Sun could be Nibelung's remnants

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So that could be the link

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Maybe the Black Sun is the Genesis Pearl
Just corrupted by the Abyss

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He literally had it imbued into him though
He isn't a little weakling prophet like Barbeoloth
It literally came packaged into his eyeballs

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Alia also had prophecy powers and she has Hyperborea powers
Hyperborea was partially ruled by Seutervoinen, Nibelung's best friend

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Those are the gnoses

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Future Ved was just a voice in his head not visions

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The Abyss just multipiled his omniscience by 20

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He was probably like Alia

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Just built different

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No hydromancy required

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Nibelung having it would make more sense then
Since he's the Monad

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No she didn't

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She just says Ronova told her to kill Lovia
But she was probably lying

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Since she hated Lovia

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Why would Ronova even have future sight

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It got corrupted by the Abyss along with him probably

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That was Yohual

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She's an Angel and they also have future sight

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She lied to Solovei

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Alia was experimented on by Lovia using Hyperborea magics
That's how she got future vision

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I guess

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Yeah

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Kuuvahki does have time powers after all

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No mention of Ronova here

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Wiki is wrong

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She had a lot of weird feelings about her grand mom

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Xbalanque saw it in the Primal Flame not Ronova

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He talks to Yohual at the end though

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Yohual also does that

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Angels have foresight powers

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Idk, Ronova didn't do anything for Alia either way

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Doesn't matter, Alia had her own foresight powers

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She just said she "guided her hand"
It's a metaphor saying that she stabbed her grandma to death

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Ronova wouldn't give af

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When did she do that

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That's cause she already had a link to Natlan through the Night Kingom
There is no link to Nod-Krai

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She didn't even freeze time there

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She can't control time

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Because Yohual was helped by Ronova in the past
No one in Nod-Krai got help from Ronova

distant citrus
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Moon sisters wove the threada of fate
Alia could see the same thread
Safe to say the foresight was related to frostmoon blessing she had

slender haven
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What you said

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Vedrfolnir could have gotten his foresight powers from the Black Sun somehow

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Black Sun is abyssal
Probably

distant citrus
slender haven
distant citrus
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She is called that but I'm not sure if they're the same
For one the same chariot fell to chasm and is also called the love of moon sisters
The new artifact calls PO treading on morning star which is another name for sun chariot

slender haven
distant citrus
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Also angels were created using the light so clearly this is after PO arrived on teyvat
So he couldn't be treading upon one before arriving

slender haven
distant citrus
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Unless first angel existed even before...

slender haven
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Would be cool

distant citrus
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Yeah but then it would contradict their light realm nature

slender haven
distant citrus
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They descended from the light

slender haven
distant citrus
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Hp broke the light of teyvat into 7 fold elements

slender haven
distant citrus
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Hp is represented by elements not light

slender haven
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The Shades weren't made using Teyvat light
Probably

distant citrus
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We don't know what their powers are just that they are called Lord of 7 calamity which is elements

slender haven
distant citrus
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Of course but we still are oblivious to their powers
You can presume it's related to reason but how would that materialize I don't know

slender haven
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Themself

slender haven
distant citrus
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There's fate but I don't know if that's how you want to represent it

slender haven
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I feel like riding on the morning star might just be a metaphor

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Are Nabu and Rukkhadevata men now?

tawdry blade
slender haven
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King is neutral in Genshin

distant citrus
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I just made connection here between PO treading on morning star
And well a chariot is something you ride upon so
Plus sun chariot being the love of moon sister
And then the new artifact being named aubade of morning star and moon

Btw morning star is also synonymous with PO as the artifact mention rule of morning star and 3 moons

So there's that too

tawdry blade
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So confusing E_pepelol

slender haven
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Oddly the Hymns also say Nibelung made a Chariot

distant citrus
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Hopefully official tl gives more picture

slender haven
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Yeah

distant citrus
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But for now I think this morning star is PO and his sun chariot

slender haven
distant citrus
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I'm also sure the chariots is just spaceship after the whole traveler spaceship existing E_pepelol

slender haven
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Not with Aria
Aria is the chariot

distant citrus
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And the fact that dragons also had spaceship

slender haven
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Yes

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The Frostmoon is the Shuttle I think though

distant citrus
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Probably but then but it could travel across the space so I don't know if anything else fits here

slender haven
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Her prayer literally calls her "mother of the shuttle"

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See

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It's hard to understand

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Yes

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Because Rerir hunted them

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Or their scions I mean

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"Racher of Solnari"
Solnari = Sonnet

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Yeah

distant citrus
#

@ashen ocean also new artifact mention PO having severe hatred for abyss
As well as the fact that they saw multiple worlds being destroyed by it during their journey before they reached teyvat

That should be enough to say they aren't abyss aligned

slender haven
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Pohjola is just space not the Abyss

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So is space

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No it's just evil black goop

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Yeah we all do

distant citrus
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Probably wait for that then cause we don't even know what pohjola even is
Probably something happened after nibelung brought abyss
But it's safe to say PO isn't aligned with abyss
Maybe they found a way to control it I don't know A_HuTaoShrug

slender haven
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Nibelung could have poisoned them
Maybe Phanes didn't kill Nibelung but the Abyss just left his corpse into a healthy vessel

slender haven
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Only The Traveler can do that

distant citrus
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Battlepass story talks about heavens sending the prince to fetch the genesis pearl and black serpent guarding it
Probably could be metaphor for PO going for abyss and getting corrupted too
Maybe A_HuTaoShrug

slender haven
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Bigendered?

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No they aren't

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Rene used the Primordial Sea no the Abyss

slender haven
distant citrus
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Yeah that much should be certain based on irl myths

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And serpent definitely represent abyss

slender haven
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That's just referring to both Travelers so it doesn't discriminate

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But he isn't

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It's just referring to both Aether and Lumine
To cover both options

distant citrus
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There's another interesting stuff here in new artifact...

So basically it says when PO came to teuvat he defeated several lords and said lords went underground or into the sea

Then it says PO seperated the demonic sky and the earth using false sky
The same demonic sky caused great unrest among those Lord when they ruled

And then he gave the space to the 3 moons as well in his newly transformed teyvat

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So the false sky in it's initial inception had moons there

And only after destroying the 2 moons amd throwing the last outside did the false sky was bereft of those moons

slender haven
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It's just a metaphor for them having similar goals/destinies

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It is

distant citrus
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I think it also confirms that the gods predates the PO

slender haven
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That wouldn't make sense

distant citrus
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I guess it's just sovereign but then it should say 7 lords and not multiple lords
Hmm probably lesser dragons existed I guess

slender haven
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Lesser lords

distant citrus
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Then the fact that abyssal sky could be seen by those lords
And PO obscuring them via false sky
This happened even before nibelung returned

slender haven
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Ok

distant citrus
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I had thought false sky was made after the war of Funerary years but I guess not

slender haven
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Still mainly Primordial Sea though

slender haven
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The Golden Hall

distant citrus
slender haven
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Oddly it states that the Moons held the Golden Hall before Ronova
So more evidence that the Shades and Moons are connected ig

distant citrus
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Speaking of primordial water nibelung was born out of it it seems
And if durin weapon is to be believed then irminsul is using up the same waters as fuel

slender haven
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It's really vague

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The Boatman does that actually

distant citrus
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Depends if you believe the machine at the bottom of the tower isn't metaphor for irminsul
But probably I think it is
But it's vague yes so can't conclude anything

slender haven
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Despised them?

distant citrus
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There's is that book princess mina of fallen nation that talks about certain spell that uses up the planets energy to create something
And durin weapon also talks something similar here
So probably could be related here

slender haven
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I know the Moon parts but where does it say they hated Celestia

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I know that

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But where does it say they hated Celestia

distant citrus
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Yes

slender haven
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Yeah

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I don't remember that

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Not necessarily
The Moons blessed the whole world

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You should have started with that

distant citrus
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But there are still actors here so who represent whom metaphorically?

I can see the Day king as PO
And night king as abyss Nibelung
The tower as gateway
And then underground machine as irminsul

The last one being a knight sent by the day king I don't know who that could be... Maybe humanity cause they are the ones who're repeating the samsara

slender haven
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Since they made perpetual motion machines

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But the cycle started again after she left

distant citrus
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Yeah that machine was also underground and had something to do with irminsul
Rerir talks about it too
Irmin had plan that involved it

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Coulde be the metaphor for what happened exactly that caused the cataclysm

slender haven
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Yeah but the hero returned and took up the sword again

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So he'll just make another machine

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Make a new machine

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He just set out on his journey again

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And protected the light people

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Yeah

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And was killing the planet with the machine

distant citrus
# slender haven What does he say?

"The Universitas... That reminds me of a rumor I once heard.
Allegedly, the king installed secret mechanisms in the palace and around the city. No one knows where they are or what kind of power they hold...
But if they were ever gonna activate, it would probably be on a night like tonight...
That sounded like an explosion... So, the rumor is true? The king really went through with it?
What other means does the king have at his disposal? They must run on power from the Abyss..."

There's that wing description too where irmin takes the sibling to deepest depth of his castle

So maybe I'm connecting wrong dots here but this could be something

slender haven
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Like Irmin said "If I die we all going down"

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But it being the Universitas means Hroptatyr was probably involved
So maybe he's the hero in this case?

distant citrus
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It's related to abyss yes but also something to do with underground where he took sibling
Something went wrong there and the mechanism must have activated

slender haven
distant citrus
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Yeah but then it went wrong which led to irmin dying and there by activation of these mechanism
People say it's dain who killed him but that's still theory

slender haven
distant citrus
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Little witch taking the sword from the knight and throwing it into the perpetual motion machine
Which led to abyss overflowing all over

This could be metaphor for what happened inside and the subsequent cataclysm..
And if this knight is representative of dain then it speak that he wasn't the one who threw his sword but someone else

slender haven
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Since Lumine is the usual abyss sibling in most media and she has a sword

distant citrus
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Most probably yeah although little witch was always a representative of the hex witches in her story
I have a feeling it's Rhinedottre

slender haven
distant citrus
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Because if you look at it the monster that came out of cataclysm are all attributed to her

slender haven
distant citrus
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Wild hunt had existed prior to Rerir
They just got juiced up basically using his corpse
I don't know about gosoythoth and Ved connection..
Hmm could be all sinners then...they all took abyss powers after all

slender haven
distant citrus
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But then it plays into the cycle concept
And I don't know if cycle continues with cataclysm

distant citrus
slender haven
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Surtalogi is out causing havoc across the entire universe too
Hroptatyr is a complete mystery right now too

distant citrus
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Surtolgi one is wierd
But it's because my honkai ridden brain keeps merging shits E_pepelol

slender haven
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What?

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No

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Yeah that part is pretty easy

distant citrus
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He is
Did you know will of the abyss exist?

slender haven
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Vedrfolnir is practically an abyssal higher deity
Of course Gosoythoth would listen to him

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Also it could be like Elynas
Elynas was just a will in the void before being given form by Rhine
Gosoythoth could be similar, just with Vedrfolnir

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Ved doesn't really care about the Order
He explicitly is confused by people worshiping him

distant citrus
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Eh I meant conciousness... That it comes from outside the teyvat

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The one durin got

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Oh I wasn't talking about that

slender haven
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That's just what Abyss powered people look like
Jakob looked like that despite not being Order related

distant citrus
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Order is just a faction
Not every abyss related being is part of it

slender haven
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Indeed

analog merlin
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You know, I have my speculation that for whatever Nibelung and the Third Descender did, I have a feeling that the First Descender that became the Heavenly Principles does not like any other Descenders and will kill them on sight for just about anything. He's the control freak who thinks there can only be one Descender, and sent Asmoday to kill the Travelers in the hopes that he remains the top god of Teyvat.

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However, further speculation about how Asmoday became a traitor among the Four Shades might be to secretly help the Travelers by being beneath notice, removing the twin's memories as a Descender and integrating them as part of Teyvat from the very beginning, and when the world has enough strength to defy the Heavenly Principles through whatever means necessary, take on the Heavenly Principles to free the world from a tyrannical control freak with too much ego to his name.

analog merlin
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But the First still killed the Third for the latter opening the Gates of Celestia. Enough reason to explain why when the Travelers first set foot into Teyvat, they were being hunted down by the Shade of Space.

slender haven
distant citrus
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PO doesn't care about descender themselves
His only issue is with humanity setting their eyes beyond the heavens aka growing too ambitious and going against the creator
And everytime it happens they're punished for it

Voyager was responsible for the growing ambition of golden city humans

3rd descender was responsible for pakasuiku's ambition

4th hasn't faced any problem so far cause PO is asleep for some reason

slender haven
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Not a human

distant citrus
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And all this is because they have a certain plan for humanity

slender haven
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But yeah agree with everything else

slender haven
distant citrus
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Yeah something to do with samsara

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And I can kinda guess based on honkai lore the purpose of samsara E_pepelol

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But that's not related to genshin for now

analog merlin
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I still have my belief that the Tsaritsa started the Archon War herself by killing the Belyi Tsar (who I suspect is Pakkaisukko).

distant citrus
#

He died during the disaster but it's not explicit confirmation how he did

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Or who did

slender haven
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Also Belyi died 500 years ago

weary oriole
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I have a question about kaeya, do we have a clear cut version of his origins and true connections to chlothar Alberich

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Because there is no way he is caribert

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At least not with what happened as of late

weary oriole
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Does this imply that lumine succeeded in reviving khaenria as a whole

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And some time shenanigans occurred post that happening

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I think we can't get any clear cut answers until we start digging deep into istaroth and the sustainer of heavenly principles lore etc and some extra info about lumine

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Maybe the next dainsleif quest?

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But I can see your theory though

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It does make more sense than the previous theory of caribert being kaeya

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Ah

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Thank you

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I didn't know

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Oh are we able to talk about story leaks here

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Thank god pepela

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I haven't done nod krai yet

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But now who gets rid of the doctor

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I need names

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Its all good truly

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NOOOOIOOIO

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man....

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WHAT

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Thats a surprise

#

So are you assuming a wanderer situation

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Sandrone and the doctor

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Yes

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Playable model wasnt it

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I am trying to catch up with genshin quest stuff before the new columbina quest drops E_OMEGARAZOR

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Ew

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I genuinely don't know how they are gonna make that piece of shit playable

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Not ew to the claymore

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But the doctor is just too evil to be playable 😭 even by genshin standards

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He did much worse than wanderer

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Didn't learn his lesson from nahida sadge

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Are we getting the doctors lore now soon

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Is nahida/wanderer involved this time around

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Where is wanderer

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Man that's so bullshit

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I hate this quest already

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So no connections to the desert?

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No king deshret sub plot no nothing?

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Hmm

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Thats interesting honestly

#

So in this plot the doctor can turn out to be morally grey

#

What's the frost moon

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😭

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I need to do nod krai

#

But the fake sky stuff is interesting

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Guessing extra secretive stuff for the heavenly principles

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How does it look

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Hmm

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Sounds interesting I think I got enough lore for now I'd say I appreciate the context

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I'll be back to discuss further

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When I am caught up

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Nah its all good

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Looks sick though

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Yesss

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It looks very cool honestly

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Will they go deeper into fake sky lore

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First scaramouche mentions it in an event and then some stuff after

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Mavuika confirms it afterwards in natlan or something

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Then now hex + nod krai is finalizing it?

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Finalize as in like they finally show us the bigger picture in its full form in nodkrai + hex

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How come

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I can't remember

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Wtf

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I never even batted an eye to this 😭😭😭😭

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So mavuika accidentally broke the fake sky momentarily?

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What's that

#

She is dead?

golden sluice
#

@ashen ocean bro

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and sounds menacing

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I wonder why they scappred his motif in Sumeru

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ehh it was very good tho

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a pity

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oh yea I've read it

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idk why i didn't think of that when his boss mats' description literally says testing grounds

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I've read everything you sent

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I would've never thought of such a thing holy fuck

#

this is the first time I realized that every AQ stands for Nibelung and PO and their story

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how so

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in 6.1? in his cutscene intro?

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by letting go of Tholindis and accepting she's dead?

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oh I forgot that scene was in 6.0

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thought it was 6.1 for a moment

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damn

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if this is really what Nod Krai's story all about

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it's gonna be peak

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Pierro stonks are raising through the roof

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yeah

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it's funny thk

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tho*

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that traveler and Columbina are the only ones fighting against Dottore in 6.3

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they talk about humanity becoming strong enough and breaking their eggshell but it's a moon goddess and a primordial being are the ones to beat Dottore

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yeah

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don't you think tho

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that if traveler is the one who beats PO in the end

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the meaning of the story would be kinda lost

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since traveler is a primordial being

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I hope by the end the ones who beat PO are humans

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what does the little witch story say

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now that would be peak

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I remember reading Durin's weapon back in the beta

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I'll read it again

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hmm

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I hope traveler finishes his part in the story as a witness

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that's what always was said about him no?

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the guy should get paid ngl

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the key of the white house to this guy

distant citrus
#

It's based on 6.3 story leak probably so I'm not gonna see that
But if you can tell the tldr without spoiling anything and how it relates to durin sword I'm all ears C_HutaoYEP

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I did get something about nibelung and how teyvat story is about reclaiming his lost and rightful position or something...
But what does that have to do with durin sword lore...🥀

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I see..
Although all of it happened because of descender presence so I wonder how much it involves humanity itself
And what about samsara?
The sword lore tells about the world being engulfed by abyss and there is no human overcoming that....just that cycle repeats itself at the end
But in aq they actually overcome all those threats...

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Assuming it's all metaphor of course

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So PO defeating Nibelung...
And now the same act is repeating just PO is replaced by humanity and Nibelung by whatever threats occur....

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Is that right?

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Yes because he was trying to create a descender

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Except nothing sort of like that happened the first time with PO and Nibelung encounter

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No humanity won against abyss

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And what's the goal here? Fight Nibelung in the future?

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Eggshell? You mean false sky?

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But false sky wasn't made for Nibelung but for separating abyss from entering teyvat

And PO's ideal was exactly the same as Raiden aka eternity that is he wanted "order"

Hence anytime humanity overreached and became ambitious against the heavens he would punish them for breaking this eternity

I don't see any goal here for humanity to fight against abyss instead it's to protect them from it via "order" aka eternity

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But you're saying samsara was made for that only which is not what celestia has been shown doing

Instead it's the 4th descender who is breaking this samsara everytime and challenge the haveans ideal of eternity which is just fate

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It's not the samsara but traveler who is changing things
Samsara is actually a prison itself

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PO on the other hand is just trying to protect humanity in their own twisted ways which is harming them instead of doing any favour
Just like it happened with Raiden and her people

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Why would current samsara enact war of funery flames then? What does it achieve?

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And samsara is to protect from that so why would it enact the war?

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Because an outsider came and challenged her
Doesn't mean the system was made taking that outsider into account
The system would have kept going if it wasn't for this unknown variable

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Durin sword describe the repeat of cycle it doesn't have anything to say about breaking that cycle

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I do understand the AQ metaphor for overall future plot but I don't think it has relation with samsara talked about in sword lore...

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The witch made it so that the cycle continues she didn't break it...
And they gave the reason for that which isn't related to Nibelung or even fighting abyss

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See that's the thing there is no success here
Cycle has to repeat because otherwise teyvat primordial waters would dry up to maintain the said machine which in turn is keeping abyss at bay
What little witch did was temporary relief for the planet and it's resources

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And of course there is no metaphor for breaking this cycle either in that lore

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So how does it relate to AQ where the traveler actually breaks the cycle... A_HmmTao

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They're two different things

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One theme is continuing the cycle
Other is to break it
Sword lore talks about former and your AQ theory latter

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Because samsara has nothing to do with actually breaking itself
Keeping the samsara is different from breaking it and the two are not related in the sense that you suggest

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Both are coming from different objective
They are not connected such that one was made for the other

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Except samsara doesn't fail until outside variable arrives so no

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And the goal of samsara is completely different

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It's isn't there to help humanity by overcoming abyss
It's to keep them forever inside so they don't have to face abyss

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Two different things

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And that has nothing to do with samsara but descender
Again two different thing C_TaoHehe

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Samsara is literally to keep the fate not break it

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I get that but the sword lore do not talk about that so relating it with themes of AQ isn't correct
When and if such lore comes in future as you say then that could be related to AQ theme

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Ye I understood that

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Nibelung or abyss is the destination yes but I wouldn't be sure about them being final villain
It's hoyo games and if I have learned anything it's that forces of nature are not the real enemy but just a vessel for true enemy to use

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Of course in fact they are the one who are more of a suspect

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There's also asmoday and Istaroth too

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The hero fighting the evil dragon
It's an old theme atp
Abyss representing the evil dragon and hero being represented by traveler

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Fate can be the evil dragon too in this case

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Fighting fate has been the theme since day 1

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You can even say fate being perceived as villain and so everyone is trying to overcome it but the demiurge aka abyss lay beyond the false sky is the true villain

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Because people don't know the fate of the world outside their false sky
They still live in falsehood

golden sluice
#

apparently she is

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since that's

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a datamine

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hopefully

#

but I'm so tired of Arlecchino's bs 🥀

slender haven
golden sluice
#

I doubt that

slender haven
#

He's their dad

golden sluice
#

the tea parties thing was so cringy

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and

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kind of contradictory considering Arle said that Sandrone never shows up publicly

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that with the fact she said she visits the orphanage

slender haven
#

The tea parties might just be the old times she comes out so she could flirt with Bina more

golden sluice
#

sooo

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🥀

slender haven
golden sluice
#

I think for Fatui harbingers

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that's pretty public

#

by public I don't mean them walking the streets casually

slender haven
#

Except Childe

golden sluice
#

he's a special case

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oh well, I just they don't

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portray Capitano the same way they did

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the NK main harbingers

slender haven
golden sluice
#

she already did

slender haven
#

She isn't playable

golden sluice
#

I mean she already got her flowers

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unless

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I misunderstand what u mean

slender haven
golden sluice
#

🥀

slender haven
#

The full bouquet so to speak

golden sluice
#

any traces of moral ambiguity or anything like that was forgotten since 6.1

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and the death flags bro

#

she has been getting those death flags about how she sacrifices herself

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since then

slender haven
#

Yeah but she's a robot so
She can get better from that

golden sluice
#

well that's not my issue

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im just disappointed in how she was portrayed

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im curious, how do u want Capitano's relationship to be with the rest of the harbingers?

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
golden sluice
slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
#

a nice balance

slender haven
golden sluice
golden sluice
#

she's gonna be portrayed in a good light

slender haven
golden sluice
#

I just wanted her to be a bit more antagonistic

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oh well

slender haven
golden sluice
#

true

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but they also showed us at this point of the story

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that she changed

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unless I misunderstood

#

I don't want Sandrone to somehow change considering she's been like this for hundreds of years

#

her conveniently changing when she becomes playable is meh 🥀

slender haven
golden sluice
#

yeah a liar

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but she regrets it

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regrets doing that

slender haven
golden sluice
#

I don't think modern day Nefer would kill two tribes out of revenge

slender haven
golden sluice
#

she was my second hyped harbinger

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I was there since day one in her mains sub

slender haven
#

How are they taking her character?

golden sluice
#

well you know how it is

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everytime

#

a character that's only been talked about

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shows up on screen

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it gets flooded by people who are fine with anything

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so they're satisfied

#

people who aren't satisfied

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left

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like me

slender haven
#

Yeah I know

#

Idk

golden sluice
#

don't misunderstand

#

I don't want her to be a 24/7 psycho

#

I actually still like Arle cz we've seen both sides

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with Sandrone it just

slender haven
#

I just think people are jumping the gun a little
Leaks say she's gonna be a major push character so she should get an animation and stuff

golden sluice
#

it doesn't feel like we saw the side I was hyped about the most

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Arle is nice cz we saw both sides

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even tho im tired of her bs cz im a Fatui fan

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but Sandrone we've seen nothing of the side I wanted to see

slender haven
golden sluice
#

yeah

slender haven
#

Idk if that's a hot take or not

golden sluice
#

she will

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I mean

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she obv will

slender haven
#

Yeah but people act like she isn't

slender haven
golden sluice
#

considering how she's acting I don't blame them for thinking she'd turn a traitor

golden sluice
slender haven
#

Kind of hard to not see where she's coming from

golden sluice
#

I mean yeah that's why I'm not blaming her for ts

#

I just

#

the thing that annoys is how

slender haven
#

She still likes the Tsaritsa and Pierro

golden sluice
#

hoyo is ignoring her crimes

slender haven
#

Yeah that's annoying

golden sluice
#

grooming orphans to become child soldiers is not a small deal

#

SMALL

slender haven
#

I agree there

golden sluice
#

that's the thing that annoys me about Arle

slender haven
#

I didn't like Arle a lot back when she was first in Fontaine

#

But I kinda warmed up on her

golden sluice
#

I'm fine with her

#

just don't ignore her crimes

#

them making "good" Fatui and "bad" Fatui is annoying

slender haven
#

But at least Dottore is getting a cool boss fight

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traveler ignoring how Sandrone was about to march to the frostmoon scions and colonize them doesn't make sense

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do u remember how in the beginning of 6.2 they talk about Dottore and Sandrone and Paimon literally Dottore is evil and Sandrone unlike him is good she's just talk

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LIKE

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the way they treated Tartaglia in Fontaine is so funny considering how they're treating the Fatui in NK

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don't remind me bro

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like

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Raiden is deadass worse than any Fatui Harbinger

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Famine, tyranny

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remember me when u start it

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I will

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the convo I talk about is right in the beginning

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The reason why Seirei Island is blown up was because they accidentally nuked themselves trying to free themselves from Raiden btw

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I just haven't seen it for myself yet

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how did I not know of this

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oh my god

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Ako Domeki was the leader and was leading a rebellion against her and they called him a pirate
Domeki's friend released a seal on the island holding back an ancient power to try and help him and it got the island destroyed

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Raiden never fixed despite totally having the power to do so

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She's genuinely awful

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I don't have the words like

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I wish the Electro Sovereign took over Inazuma or something
Would probably do a better job

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how did all of that get swept under

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the rug

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