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tawdry blade
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In homdgcat

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Quest log right?

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I was right about Columbina returning second part of the boss then

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How was nefer talking to her anyway

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Her box?

tawdry blade
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Act 5 says that Durin was rejected by fate since a person can't share the same fate

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Essentially making him independent with his fate

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I see

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M in day 4 I think

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Im still in day 3

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Will do the quest this friday

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I dont know what to feel about rerir might be talking to bina about he is her father and shit A_GaspTao like how does that work

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I think Nicole or Alice say that Columbina was the Sisters last wish right?

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Knave and Wanderer talk a lot C_TaoHehe

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Also I dont think we will be asking Varka question,but we will ask Columbina first about some moon related and the Harbinger

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Varka might be inviting us to Dorman port instead

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Cuz of the new abyss wave

golden sluice
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so

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what we thinking Dornman's port gonna be about

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just a stray abyss invasion with no explanation orrr

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something or someone

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huh well I guess that makes sense

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what do even know about it

tawdry blade
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Nvm

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But the explanation would be the defense is weakening

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6.3 abyss world boss description foreshadowing that

golden sluice
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oh they're coming from outside?

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Teyvat's defenses are weakening

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shouldn't they go to NK tho since it's at the border

tawdry blade
golden sluice
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fair enough

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btw v2 textmap dropped

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@ashen ocean

plain bison
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Varka is the sole character in the epilogue of Act 8

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Should imply Act IX and X could be Mondstadt related, especially those leaked overworld dialogue

tawdry blade
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Ye

slender haven
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I really hope Varka has a quote about Capitano

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean durin quest done
Let's just say Alice is op C_TaoHehe

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Remember how i said each star represent fate of individual
Durin's star no longer exist in the false sky anymore

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He's free

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He no longer exists within the fate system

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All thanks to Alice magic and intervention of a descender

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Wait let me find the dialogue

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Actually let me just explain on short rest you can see for yourself

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So mini durin is storybook character written by M
This remains true even after he came to teyvat

By reviving mini durin in place of durin basically was an act of grafting mini durin's "story" onto the laters "fate" thus rewriting his fate

But albedo tells that there's a fundamental difference between "story" and "fate"

While fate is woven into fabric of time durin story on the other hand needs an author to continue the writing

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This author as we know was Anya but what happens when she dies? There would no longer be any author and that's when durin will vanish

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That's why Anya borrowed Alice's magic to send her pen into the future

The idea was to keep the story alive until durin can finally come and take the pen ownership

Durin finally takes the ownership of the pen thereby becoming the author of his own story and traveler became the reader who would turn the next page of the story
(As Alice pointed out her magic needed both the author and reader to make the change)

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Tldr- witch magic strong, durin needed an author to keep his story going and he became his own author with traveler becoming the witness(reader)
His story will keep going and no longer is part of fate system

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Durin's "story" took precedent over his "fate" there by destroying the fate

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Barbie called durin very luckyE_pepelol
Implying shades might be on his ass if something went wrong

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He would turn into the story book version again or just die or abyss would take over lots of possibility

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Those possibilities are shown as bad ending C_TaoHehe

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About?

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No?

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Hmm

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Is that literal though?

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How would it explain ajax?

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We already saw two people can't have same fate as the other gets erased by irminsul

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Not to mention ajax was descender his fate doesn't even exist

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Assuming 3rd descender name is indeed ajax...

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Nah I don't think this is right
Barbie was saying the one who inherited the name shares the fate in a very statement way
She wasn't saying that as a rule....

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That's not fate

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That's night kingdom stuff

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No it's not fate
Fate is system created by celestia

We even saw how the current storytelling magic is different from fate

Night kingdom is also the same in that sense its different system

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Maybe it is then but that's fate not night kingdom

Also its already established fate doesn't recognize descender otherwise irminsul would have record of them it doesn't

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Ajax fate doesn't exist just like traveler doesn't

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If it does then they're not descender

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Then there's other part of fate which is that it's unique to individual
Two individual can't have same fate that's the rule

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We literally just solved this in durin quest C_TaoHehe

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Well then there must be a different explanation for that
Otherwise it's a retcon which I don't is what's happening

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It can't be shared that's the whole point A_CryLaughTao

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And in the same quest durin is literally fighting for his existence because he shares the fate and irminsul is erasing him

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So now what? Either barbie dialogue is being misinterpreted or hoyo is trolling C_TaoHehe

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All i see is that M used the fate of durin to create the story version durin
And that's why B says that line in contest of this
If you take the context out and make it a general statement then it wouldn't make sense

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Where is this from btw?

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Let me go back and read then maybe there's some context there then

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Ok i got the context now
She asked M what name you gave and she says durin right?

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She's telling M that she made mistake and now mini durin will inherit same fate which is right as we see mini durin inside the simulanka did follow the same fate

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She's not talking about sharing same fate in the same world...that's where the difference is
She knows M created seperate world skmulanla to keep mini durin

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And the problem only started when durin crossed the world and came to teyvat

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Two different context here E_pepelol

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So you were right that sharing name means sharing fate
But sharing fate in the same world is also not possible as it's against the rule
You need seperate world or as in durin case use witch magic to overcome fate altogether

So there's no conflict here

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Also another context is that M wanted mini durin to have good ending
But when she named him durin which means he shares the same fate
That's where B says what shes says implying that M made mistake and now he's doomed to repeat same fate

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Aka no good ending

surreal dome
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Rerir is back in act 8

hasty narwhal
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if true honestly 10/10

clever vault
distant citrus
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Alright take your time

clever vault
echo belfry
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@ashen ocean whos this lohen person

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what points to playable

distant citrus
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Doesn't mean much a lot of name drops ended up being npc C_TaoHehe

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Take herta for example

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean speaking of angellica who's from liyue according to story and had this to say for herself...
"And as for me? I betrayed no one, not for a moment, until my god died, so I too bear this curse not. But you now see who I truly am, yes?"
"I am freedom, that which has broken free of fate."

You think this God would have been eternal moon goddess? Then wouldn't that make angellica reference of Zibai after all? E_think

golden sluice
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well he's using their powers so it makes sense that he's mimicking them

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real

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remind me how does someone become a descender

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does the second one mean Tartaglia is becoming a descender

distant citrus
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Although what would zibai do in khanerriah C_TaoHehe
You know you were right it's just a story as arle said no need to take it for more than it is lol

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Will is associated with reason
So basically one who can change the established system aka fate

golden sluice
distant citrus
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And by laws here it means the laws of fate system

golden sluice
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but like

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change it

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using their own power or

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they can just steal power and change it using the stolen power?

distant citrus
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Their own powers

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So take traveler they can use the ambition of people to channel the powers

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As seen in inazuma quest

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Or natlan

golden sluice
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ah alright

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makes sense

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so basically anyone born with special powers

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nepotism final boss

distant citrus
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Just don't take it as powerscaling concept C_TaoHehe

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There are nuances here always

golden sluice
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god I hate the traveler sm bro

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using the abyss?

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how

distant citrus
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Thing with sinners or even the witches are that while they exist outside the fate system or have gotten out using their powers
They still don't have enough power to change the fate itself
That's where descenders come in...

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There is subtle distinction here that people miss unfortunately and assume things

golden sluice
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they don't have the specific power needed

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to change fate

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because in terms of power there's at least one sinner who can change fate if it depended on how much power you have 🥀

distant citrus
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Yeah they call it the will or reason
The game hasn't actually expanded on this for now though so we can only assume for now

golden sluice
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yeah

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wait

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isn't Hroptatyr opposing reason

distant citrus
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Thematically yes but in actuality? We don't know

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Like take Rerir for example he's thematically associated with death but we know it's not "death" as in ronova but death of crimson moon dynasty

golden sluice
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🥀

distant citrus
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What authority?

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I don't understand

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They mirror them but it's not the same
Otherwise they would have the power to rewrite the rules of fate
They don't

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She does

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She's the one who casted the curse of immortality

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Yes

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What happens when you deny death? C_HuPepeSmile

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Aka immortal

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Like those khanerrians

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Fate consist of all 5 authority
Life, death, time, space, reason

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Fate has all components
You take birth that's life
You grow up and age that's time
You live inside a world that's space
You think and grow ambitious that's reason
And then you die that's death

Fate has written all the beginning and end that's the design
And yes you cannot overcome it

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And who has the authority over these domain? The 4 shades and PO

golden sluice
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then why aren't the 4 shades descenders or do you need the power of all 5 to be a descender?

distant citrus
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They're the ones writing this fate

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It's all they each have their own authority

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Neberius is responsible for creating life
Ronova is responsible for ending it
Istaroth gives history
Asmoday well she does something I guess we don't know but probably creates the space dimension
And PO is the one responsible for ambition I guess

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The last two are not accurate because we don't know what precisely their authority entails

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But know this they all have their own authority over different aspects of fate

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Nah variable are the things that break this system itself
They're like glitches

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And the biggest variable would be a descenders itself

golden sluice
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does that entail what Andersotter did for Durin?

distant citrus
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I'm not sure as durin got outside the system itself
He's no longer part of fate

golden sluice
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what about what Dottore did?

distant citrus
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Dottore is different he took control of the powers that existed before the fate system

So on one hand he is outside the fate too and even has the powers to influence the world itself but on other hand it conflicts with the current system

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For Dottore you can say he took control of system that predates the fate system

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Hmm fate is also a rule
I think then fate is the domain of PO

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One has to be born that's a rule
One has to die that's another rule
And one has to follow fate that's also a rule

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What's asmoday's domain of rule?

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Yeah

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M created a world using magic of storytelling
This world is seperate from teyvat

Maybe that's where asmoday comes into picture too?
She creates multiple worlds?

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We saw how those red cubes she uses are all different spaces

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No but i mean visually it looked like that only
When ronova destroyed that space from the trailer we see it disintegrating into small cubes

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And in the beginning we were also cubed

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Makes me think she seperated both the traveler and put them into mirror world and real world
Maybe the traveler that arrived from outside the spaceship might be the one from that mirror world

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Siblings seperated by different world...

"One star rises in the heavens, one star falls in the valley, the two have always been the same."

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I was thinking it was asmoday wbo seperated them into two different teyvat

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Back when she cubed us...

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@ashen ocean If branches of irminsul represent the timeline
Then multiple branches would mean different timeline
And yet each branch has to connect to the tree

What if this is the domain of asmoday...As in she connects the branches to the tree? Then would it make sense if she can also join different branches?
And if she does...Then wouldn't the abyss twin from different branch cross over into the branch where traveler exist? And that would reflect in abyss twin coming to spaceship from outside...

tawdry blade
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Isnt the event of the spaceship was before the Twin meet asmoday

distant citrus
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And that's why we always see space-time alongside each other C_TaoHehe
Istaroth writes the history of the branches and asmoday connect it to the tree...

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They're working together alright sneaky E_pepelol

distant citrus
analog merlin
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Stupid thought, but if Snegurochka would indeed be a Bronya expy, does anyone think the Third Descender would instead be a Seele expy?

golden sluice
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there are no expies in genshin anymore

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last ones were Raiden and Yae

tawdry blade
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Some think Nahida is one too but idk

golden sluice
tawdry blade
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Her design isnt the same so idk

golden sluice
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they barely look alike

tawdry blade
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Probably VA and backstory

tawdry blade
golden sluice
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weird

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remember when

tawdry blade
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But I heard her story is similar to nahida?

golden sluice
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people thought Haitham was a Su expy?

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🥀

tawdry blade
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Oh yes

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Biggest cope ever

golden sluice
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ikr

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the leakers made it worse

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they're the ones who leaked him as a su expy

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idm expies much but I'd kill for a Kevin expy in genshin

tawdry blade
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Hm so some people think a character is an expy of other because they share some small similarities A_HeheTao

golden sluice
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ikr

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some ppl still think Mavuika is a Himeko expy

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like

tawdry blade
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I remember when people thought furina was seele expy

golden sluice
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oh yeaaa I remember that

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leakers said she was a seele expy

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couldn't be further from the truth

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who's Dottore an expy of?

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and we didn't see Snegurochka yet

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it's the opposite

tawdry blade
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Dottore exist before him

golden sluice
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Dottore was made way before Lygus/Zandar

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around there

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and honestly

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personally I don't think HSR used Dottore as an inspiration for Zandar

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they make expies of fan favorite characters and characters the company big shots love

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Dottore is neither of those

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🥀

distant citrus
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If there is an expy left that would be bronya as tsaritsa that's it
Of course there Asmoday as HoV too left but she was there day one

golden sluice
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just for them to end him and make a lobotomised version of him playable because they can't make villains playable

golden sluice
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is the bronya expy

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because if it's the Tsaritsa the Fatui are cooked

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it's Bronya

distant citrus
golden sluice
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not bad

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just

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not the kind of person the Tsaritsa is building up to be

golden sluice
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there's a secret 3rd option

distant citrus
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I prefer OG too dw

golden sluice
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an original character

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I mean

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last time they made an expy

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was in inazuma

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so big chance they won't go back to that

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like ribhu said the only expy left is HoV which is Asmoday

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Mavuika isn't a Himeko expy gng

distant citrus
# golden sluice was in inazuma

Yeah and that was also when genshin started getting expanded lore with dragons and PO
I still believe that was the point they decided to make genshin it's own thing
And the only connection if there still is would be imaginary tree connection but that's it

golden sluice
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all the connections are getting swept under the rug and will never be mentioned again

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people saying the IPC are the ones who invaded Skirk's homeland are deluding themselves

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the HSR universe isn't described the same way as GI's universe

distant citrus
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They already seperated honkai in honkai games itself E_pepelol
Hsr doesn't even have honkai

golden sluice
distant citrus
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Basically people thought hsr will be part of hi3rd world
But it was the other way around C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
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well there's Welt and VA too I suppose but eh

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don't feel like they're gonna do something about them anytime soon

distant citrus
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Yeah the connection is like world level stuff and general expy things but story doesn't get affected by it at all

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We're not getting avengers type thing anytime soon if at all C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
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good

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I mean

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personally I like expies

distant citrus
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I think it's also fair considering the nature of gacha games

golden sluice
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but god I didn't like the way they handled Phainon and Cyrene at all

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so I'd rather they avoid making them

distant citrus
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Oh but next world has even more expy E_pepelol

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Sakura is coming

golden sluice
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yeah I saw Sakura

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but that's it ig?

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there's new 5* variants of existing characters

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like Blade and SW

distant citrus
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Tbh I don't mind personally as long as I get good story which I did imo at least
Amphoreus ended fine the lore around fuli and aeon was also great
Character itself was hit and miss but that's fine
Although I quit the game now so can't say about future stuff anymore C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
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I quit in 3.4

distant citrus
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Maybe I'll just watch on YouTube for the lore...

golden sluice
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mostly because I wanted a Kevin expy and Phainon didn't deliver for me

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but I saw stuff about Cyrene

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she's a mess

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idk how to put it into words

distant citrus
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Just my opinion but phainon was handled better than whatever they did with Kevin in Hi3rd with moon arc ngl

golden sluice
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fair it's just my personal preference

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Phainon feels detached from Kevin and a new character instead of an expy tbh

distant citrus
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Cyrene on the other hand was not so much
She fell flat in front of elysia
Lore saved her though kinda C_TaoHehe

distant citrus
golden sluice
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yeah I was expecting him to be like Kevin

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willing to sacrifice everything and borderline a villain

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that's why I kinda prefer Flame Reaver even if he isn't actually a villain too

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due to the time loop stuff

distant citrus
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If you can look at Kevin before the herchers descended
That's the personality they went with for phainon

And then while later Kevin became cold phainon became depressed

golden sluice
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you're right, I wanted a post herscher descending Kevin

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maybe in genshin

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maybe

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im jk

distant citrus
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Wait for PO Copium

golden sluice
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nawwww

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the real Kevin

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wait

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you're right

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PO doing everything to prepare humanity against the abyss

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to the point he became a villain

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that FITS Kevin

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ok yeah PO please be Kevin 🙏

distant citrus
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Yeah and he's in charge of a project and found a suitable planet for humanity

golden sluice
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that is so Kevin

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how did I never

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think of it

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wait were you there when people were theorizing Griseo was the PO?

distant citrus
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Why do you think every lore tuber uses Kevin image when they talk about PO E_pepelol

golden sluice
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I thought they were coping deadass

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now they're using Phainon

tawdry blade
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Tbh if there is no more expy then there will never be anyone

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We gotta wait for Tsarista

golden sluice
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she's an og character

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trust

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@ashen ocean btw have you ever seen an analysis of Dottore's mask?

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I remember seeing one recently but I can't find it

tawdry blade
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He saw xiao and think
Damn that guy look cool,I should make one for myself but with modern tech

golden sluice
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the analysis I saw showed some similarities between it and Celestia's symbols

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I want to find it again bro it's so on point

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💔

golden sluice
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celestia

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
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Il Dotorre, Il Dottore's evil twin

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Femttore

golden sluice
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@ashen ocean listening to the ost rn

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got tempted

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why's the intro so intimidating

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wow there really is no Fatui motif

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that doesn't make sense

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even Scaramouche had a Fatui motif

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in his boss fight

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why's Dottore the exception

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you're talking about his life goal?

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cz he didn't really betray them

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weird

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it's peak tho

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yea I don't like the second phase

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🥀

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ik

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it really shows how much he yearns for acceptance back in his home

slender haven
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When are the item descriptions for the new weapons and artifacts gonna drop you think?

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Cause I'm looking forward to them

tawdry blade
slender haven
tawdry blade
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Next week

slender haven
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Cool

tawdry blade
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Shame that Dottore boss drop lore is basically nothing

slender haven
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Just yapping about medicine and doctorates and whatever

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Funny though since he's a college dropout

tawdry blade
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Bro really miss homeE_OMEGARAZOR

slender haven
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To defeat Dottore we have to get him arrested for criminal impersonation of a medical professional

tawdry blade
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Just give him an apple

analog merlin
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Remembering how Sandrone is supposed to be playable in 6.7, this could mean we can have a finale arc for Sandrone in that patch to where we explore the Narzissenkreuz Institute and Mont Esus West, and to find closure to her story.

tawdry blade
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Sandrone died and we keep her core until we go back to Mont Esus West to revive her

analog merlin
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Or wherever Alain died at. Only Sandrone knows the answer.

analog merlin
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Anastasya Feodorovna Snezhnaya. That's the name of the Tsaritsa. Still doesn't confirm the idea of Tsaritsa ≠ Snegurochka until we see the latter around Luna VI.

distant citrus
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No

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But sheznaya added in the title means something like how furina de Fontaine worked C_TaoHehe

tawdry blade
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Feodorovna
Feodoronova

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Ronova mentioned 🔥

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Also,could she be the hidden 10th harbinger

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The new one ofc

gray raven
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why would she have the last name snezhnaya

tawdry blade
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So she feel important

gray raven
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this is the tsaritsa

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do remember that pierro was quoted in arlecchino's drip

slender haven
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I wonder who will do Capitano's quote
Vedrfolnir maybe if they want to spice things up

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Nah he won't be important

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Maybe he'll get mentioned in a world quest or something

analog merlin
tawdry blade
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If she is a literal doll,I can see her being 10th

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She has reason to hide it

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If 3rd Descender and Tsarista allegation is true

golden sluice
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what makes you think that

distant citrus
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Teyvat chapter teaser was voiced by dain right?

golden sluice
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either that or she's literally being described as a doll

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as in

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very beautiful ig

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also if she gets recruited to be the 10th it would fit the mond Fatui leak

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tbf

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she is

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the 3rd descender's wife/gf whatever it is

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I'd hide her too ngl

analog merlin
distant citrus
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Who do you think the woman is that he wanted to save? The one who he says to fight him for a chance at saving her...

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And this is teased for after the khanerriah chapter...

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Oh I wasn't thinking of tholondis anyway
I was thinking maybe it's related to asmoday

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Abyss sibling made sense if there was canon sibling but there isn't
So to use her for that person means it's not sibling

golden sluice
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oh Columbina's banner name is welkin moon's homecoming

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🥀

tawdry blade
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Why withered rose

golden sluice
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nothing just

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feels kinda idiotic to reveal it

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in the drip marketing

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I mean it's obvious

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but would've hit harder if it was said in the AQ

tawdry blade
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I mean not really

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Song of the welkin moon is right there

gray raven
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they censored a lot though

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didn't you notice her splash art

distant citrus
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I'm not sure on that

golden sluice
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that if it exists

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I mean it doesn't physically exists

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it's just

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fake memories he implanted

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the false moon he made up

distant citrus
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He implanted the fake memories of false moon to make the hyperboreans believe in his fake promise to bring back the moon

Then he got the summon ritual from them and used that to his advantage

So when columbina used the portal instead of teleporting to real moon it got her inside dottore trap

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There isn't an actual false moon here...

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I don't know

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"Then, he harnessed that knowledge on Moon-Prayer Night... to truly create a "false moon.
To be precise, he exploited a weakness in the way the spell works.
The spell senses kuuvahki to detect the moon's location. So, as long as the "false moon" more strongly resembled a moon than the Frost Moon beyond the skies...
That gate would teleport Columbina to the false moon's location... in other words, to Dottore's side."

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It's in double quote implying it's not literal moon but one that resemble it's power

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I don't know what he used for it though... Probably that matrix which trapped columbina

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As said it just needed enough kuvahki (more than what can be defected from real moon outside the false sky) to trick the spell

He probably collected lots of kuvahki taking advantage of the tri lunar sygzy

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And we already know how he got the spell by tricking the hyperborean phantoms

tawdry blade
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Empty moon

distant citrus
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It can also be that he put all those kuvahki energy on himself whicj would make him the "false moon"

tawdry blade
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We go by original language

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Chinese

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No ,I am an amateur, but I can know simpler one

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空調 ，空氣 ， 空月 air conditioner,air ,air moon C_TaoHehe

plain bison
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@lean violet 6.3 AQ Act 8 Epilogue, Venti Witch's Homework

|| It's somewhat implied it will lead to Mondstadt especially with that leaked dialogue of how there's a black tide heading towards Mondstadt, which Venti's homework Quest also mentioned, there's a fairly good chance an AQ will be present in Mondstadt ||

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lean violet
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I ain't looking at act 8 spoilersE_OMEGARAZOR

plain bison
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Like I don't even know what Dottore boss looks like

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It's just character placements

golden sluice
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what if he's using the carcass of the frostmoon to make the welkin moon, he is bringing a moon into teyvat in his weekly boss after all

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yea that could be the frostmoon and he's using it to make a new welkin moon

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I mean

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something could've went wrong

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midway

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stepleaks save us and leak 6.3 story C_HuPepeSmile

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wtf

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bruh

golden sluice
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you speak a bit of chinese

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close enough

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this is so accurate 😭

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btw

tawdry blade
golden sluice
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there are records of people seeing a female figure in the mist where the wild hunt is right?

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was there something about that figure singing?

gray raven
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zibai drip tomorrow

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also wonder if bina's 2nd splash art will be like durin's extra skin

slender haven
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Reading comprehension on par with the most intellectual of JJK fans

golden sluice
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what

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that's a joke?

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it's a joke right

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😭

golden sluice
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answer me

slender haven
golden sluice
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oh ok

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im certain it's Tholindis

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but if there was singing I'd say that's the same singing Columbina heard

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when she was born

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😔

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there's no Tholindis in the aq

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hope so

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that's what I want to know too

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liking villains needs someone to not take stuff at surface value that's why, though I do admit I've fallen for Dottore at first because I thought he was cool

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ikr, I've made a comment about it in Dottoremains

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I really really really hope they add some trumpets

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in his boss theme

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I saw the comment too

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it's probably her name yeah

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btw what hints are there for him in Columbina's drip marketing?

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oh the comment said there are hints in Columbina's drip marketing

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also I think we're using Nefer's chess game

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to see his backstory

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yeah

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we saw Nefer

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talking with Dottore

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in the lines leak

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hmm fair enough

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yeah that I know

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wish he had

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more lines ngl

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he has nearly the same as Capitano

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most of his involvment in Nod Krai is off screen

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even the cutscene when he kidanps Columbina

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his motifs from 3 years ago are no longer there

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yeah but

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hmm wait

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lemme get it

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you can hear the trumpets more when they focus on Dottore

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I'm hoping they didn't forget and add the trumpets

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ehhhhhhh

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I don't think hoyo devs really like him

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maybe neutral

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what?

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Capitano Alice Nicole and Skirk back then

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didn't

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?

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huh

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🤔

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well anyways

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he has as many lines in Nod Krai as Capitano has in Natlan

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I honestly think that's a convenient coincidence

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean "When all was over, the survivors raised a lighthouse atop the mountains, gazing far out towards the new ruler of Snezhnaya. "

This implies tsar died during mad monk episode

But in latest hex quest B says this
"As of late, the tricksy-witch has nearly the entirety of the snowy lands in her grasp. Now, none but the Tsar can command her submission. "

Did hoyo forgot something here? C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
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I don't want to

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have false hope that's all

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if they really love Dottore

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they won't give a lobotomized segment as playable

distant citrus
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From long night oath artifact

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The 2nd one happens during the mini durin birth ceremony when witches gathered
And this only happened long after abyss durin was defeated which is again after cataclysm

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It talks about formation of lightkeepers
The organization was formed after mad monk episode

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Flins already said two abyss events from past in nod krai implying mad monk and cataclysm are seperate events

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Maybe this is it
Or maybe it's en translation problem again?

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Ye

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Alice lends her magic and yet she says she can't make the simulanka herself
M was not nobody after all she was still a genius

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Maybe
The magic is called storytelling

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And it's implied the magic was taken from celestia

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One interesting thing I noted was when Alice said her magic needed boh author and reader

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And she chose traveler as reader because of their unique Constitution

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But then she says if traveler wasn't here she would have used herself as reader

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That's curious

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I'm not sure but she's powerful enough to be a reader

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But it's still reader of storytelling magic not fate itself
That's bigger fish after all

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If anything it looks like she has the power to remove a person from the fate system
But it's also risky as B noted

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I wonder if traveler wasn't there it would have worked as well as it did... Probably yes since Alice was confident

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Yeah and traveler actually can change fate itself which is more powerful

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So descenders still have relevance

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For her own magic storytelling not fate itself

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Remember she didn't change durin's fate she removed him from the system itself

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Yeah that's descenders domain still

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Also I think fate is itself just modified version of nibelung's will

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That's why first descender could do what he did

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He changed the system of the planet

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Which one?

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You got the book from Alice I think
You can accept all the quest at the same time from there

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Sucrose quest was whatever nothing worthwhile there

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Price for next one being stacked A_HuPensive

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Mona was good khanneriah lore

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And B rage baiting mona too C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
distant citrus
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Yes

somber dagger
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i just read the nastiest pierro theory

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i havent read fhe tsars lore

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what artifact set is it

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ohhh okok

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id assume so

golden sluice
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you're talking about

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uhhhhh what was his name again

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the mad monk is the one who killed Belyi Tsar?

somber dagger
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reed millers that old?!?

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i woulda assumed reed miller was a little bit recent

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didnt assume the treasure hoarders have been a thing for that long

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oh shittt

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i js thought he was a massive asshole

golden sluice
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yeah I mean

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he could've just learned it from the ruins

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he could be mirroring him but there's a lot of people who also pursed abyss knowledge and wanted to take down the heavens

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but it's certain in the cutscene he was using technology inspired from Deshret's

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fair enough, if he's just mirroring cool

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but him being a deshret reincarnation is the lamest thing ever

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im crashing out if we get more Deshret lore and his name turns out to be Zandik

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praying for that Haitham theory to be right just because I don't want it to be Dottore

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do you think Thoth in 6.1 was delusional/lying about Dottore or not

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the notes

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contradict that tho

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he was helping his colleague before htey met Thoth

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so he's delusional

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not the intelligence

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just the intentions

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hmm

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I'd prefer if he was a liar but you're probably right

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the weekly boss mats' glaze is unreal bro

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selling him later to be playable after he kills a character like Sandrone would be hard

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I think Sandrone is dying some other way

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yeah

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I don't ngl

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idk man

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he doesn't have that many lines

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we'll see

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but imo if they kill him off and give a lobotomized segment

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it's ruining his story

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I sure hope so

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hell no

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that's Pierro

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and it has to be someone loyal to the Tsaritsa, I don't think he's unloyal but he ain't that loyal either

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shiroha is a fraud

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lemme cope

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not all

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some

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yeah but now half of it is wrong

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shall I look for it

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I'm convinced it's early

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I'm throwing myself after him

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also found it

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actually found multiple

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why indian

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isn't he persian

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Zandik ain't an indian name

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@ashen ocean

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@ashen ocean

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fair

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bruh this was leaked 6 months ago

JjzSLDt.png
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ig so?

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not sure

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im convinced it's early

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how did they acknowledge him

golden sluice
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ok yeah that's a pretty good prediction

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where do Tholindis and Rerir come in all of this tho

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there's no way they aren't related to all this right

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what about Tholindis tho

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😭

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yeah

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weird how she has no lines

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isn't the place Columbina's at rn the best place to end Tholindis' story

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fair enough

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is his weekly boss 6.6 or 6.7

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probably 6.6

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like Natlan's

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who's releasing in 6.6

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huh wonder how's she tied to his story

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since she's releasing the same patch

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🤔

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we'll see

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when's 6.6's release date

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🥀

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it's about Sandrone or Columbina no?

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Columbina dying and resurrecting

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or Sandrone dying and coming back later

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I don't think Rerir has to die

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yeah

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thing is

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where do Rerir and Tholindis come in all of this

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I hope we get the answer next patch

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especially considering

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the 6.4 AQ is gonna be about Mond

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apparently

analog merlin
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Okay, new tinfoil hat theory. Since there's the idea of Tsaritsa no longer being Snegurochka, I have a better idea on how to bring her in as a member of the Fatui: Brighella, representing a Snowland Fae who could never lie, and basically among the original inhabitants of Snezhnaya, which exemplifies how she's the only Snowland Fae to never leave her "sister"'s side.

somber dagger
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BRO

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I CANT DO TS NO MORE

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i just found out now about the silvermoon hall secret quest

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tears in my sandbina heart

tawdry blade
tawdry blade
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#GenshinImpact #Zibai
︀︀"The wind carves benevolent favors into stories, sweeping them into the far corners of the world; it whispers tales into legends softened by the mists of memory, destined to be forgotten. Why, then, did you make such a choice?"
︀︀— "Ruler of Time" Istaroth
︀︀
︀︀◆ Name: Zibai
︀︀◆ Title: White Horse's Fleeting Spring
︀︀◆ The White Horse Adeptus from Liyue's legends
︀︀◆ Moon Wheel: Geo
︀︀◆ Constellation: Equa Alba

#GenshinImpact - Search / X
X
#Zibai - Search / X
X
gray raven
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I am god

distant citrus
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Not different it's the same fate but because they existed in different world it didn't cause interference

somber dagger
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are there any good genshin theory youtubers

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it feels like the only choices here are that one girl who be making shit up for no reason, minsleif but she has the fattest stretches of all time that feel almost clickbaity, and murderofbirds who is amazing but i cant just be watching ONLY his videos

analog merlin
gray raven
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they don't call her the celadon mare either

distant citrus
#

No just that it's different space so it didn't clash with each other...

Same fate so they both follow the same end
But mini durin changed his fate in story world
As soon as he came to Teyvat his changed fate from story world clashed with teyvat durin's fate and that caused problem
And so irminsul started erasing him because fate cannot be changed in teyvat

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No...
Ok imagine your fate gives you a coin and it has number 1 written on it
This number can't be changed

Now someone created a story version of yourself and tied the same fate to it and so they also got the same coin with number 1

But because it's story they changed the number 1 to say 2

Then that story version of you came to this side and now there's a conflict does the coin show number 1 or does it show number 2?

And the answer is number 1 as fate can't be changed so your number 2 coin start getting erased...

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And the solution was to remove the coin with number 2 from the fate system itself so that now there is no conflict

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I still think about that Barbie's line where she looks at the false sky and find durin's fate gone
And then she says he was very lucky

Was she implying shit could've gone South very fast... C_TaoHehe

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean v3 of beta is when lore gets added in cn version right? Or was it v4?

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"Aubade of Morningstar and Moon "
Need the lore....

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An aubade is a morning love song , or a song or poem about lovers separating at dawn.
... E_think

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Morning star is koitar

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So probably her lore and the moons of course

normal terrace
#

Illuga isn't using a moon wheel?

distant citrus
#

He enables +1 moonsign...
Disappointing how they give this passive to nod krai 4 star but no actual reaction A_HuPensive

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At least natlan 4 star still had full Nightsoul gimmick...

tawdry blade
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I mean.. the reaction itself is not that useful cuz their kit doesn't support it

distant citrus
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Yeah that's what I mean they should've supported it

tawdry blade
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No I mean

distant citrus
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Not like they'll be doing direct lunar dmg themselves anyway

tawdry blade
#

Their kit would have to deal big dmg with it if they have it

distant citrus
#

But at least the reaction dmg should've been enabled just to give more option

tawdry blade
#

Otherwise it is just regular reaction but super small dmg

#

Oh this is genshin spoiler

distant citrus
#

Yeah I was hoping a lesser version of lunar stuff would've been available for 4 star as well outside the nod krai dps

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But then again it's not like 5 star do it either A_WheezeTao

tawdry blade
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No Lunar Traveler,actually sadge

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At least some buff

#

Ok Columbina,I spent 12 weeks dating with you,give me my Eternal Narrow back 🙏

distant citrus
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Yeah like illuga giving meagre geo dmg buff C_TaoHehe

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Every region traveler gets minor buff by the time khanerria releases they'll finally become a proper 4 star C_TaoHehe

tawdry blade
#

4 star at level of Bennett

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True

golden sluice
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since it actually makes the reaction do damage

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🥀

tawdry blade
#

It not like the dmg is game changing

golden sluice
#

+20k dps is pretty nice

golden sluice
#

the logic

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behind his kit

#

he is quite literally a brick for anyone other than Zibai

tawdry blade
#

What about other geo like itto

golden sluice
#

his quills for normal Geo dmg are so trash building him as a sub dps is better

#

🥀

distant citrus
golden sluice
#

lamest nen restriction oat

golden sluice
#

feels very stupid honestly tho

#

Ineffa and Lauma have their uses outside of Flins and Nefer

#

he doesn't 🥀

distant citrus
#

On the other hand It does make him bis for zibai
Compare this to aino who's getting replaced everywhere after columbina...I say it's something of a value for a 4 star at least C_TaoHehe

#

Pros and cons as they say
Such is the fate of 4 star C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
#

I mean fair enough

#

but at least

#

you can use Aino in ur second Nod Krai team

#

fuck are u going to do with Illuga without Zibai

long crest
#

hp must be pretty strong

distant citrus
golden sluice
#

I'm basically pulling a bricked 4* with him

#

Illuga's lucky Geo is my favorite element so I'm getting both him and Zibai

#

but there go my dreams of lunar crystallize saving Geo

distant citrus
golden sluice
#

I miss the era of dendro reactions bro

#

wish lunar reactions were like that

#

such bs man

distant citrus
#

After sumeru yeah

#

No we got dendro it didn't exist always

golden sluice
#

noo dendro reactions were good for even bad units

#

it made Keqing good

distant citrus
#

And freeze was meta at that time

golden sluice
#

not really

#

pre Sumeru she was

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trash

distant citrus
#

Not character the reaction itself was good

golden sluice
distant citrus
#

Then they started spamming bosses and it just got fucked

golden sluice
#

their solution to freeze being Escoffier is such a dumb decision

distant citrus
#

Taser was good too as a reaction dmg itself it carried
Now nothing

golden sluice
#

nah

#

more lunar bullshit but call it

#

idk solar bullshit

golden sluice
#

taser teams were actually viable with Fischl and Beidou

#

in Inazuma they were still good too

#

and Sumeru era too

#

it was in Fontaine that the dmg ceiling raised a bit

#

not as much as Natlan tho

distant citrus
#

I had hope lunar thing would add more meaningful addition to reaction itself but it's just glorified character dmg only while reaction itself still sucks

golden sluice
#

it was still a bit viable tbh

golden sluice
#

I was coping about lunar crystallize so hard

#

I wanted something for Geo

#

I just hope when they add the 8th element it has actual good reactions

#

idk

#

im assuming

distant citrus
#

Like I had hope for lunar reaction to do what once hyperbloom did with transformatives back in sumeru

golden sluice
#

the shit traveler used

distant citrus
#

Oh well it is what it is A_HuTaoShrug

golden sluice
#

the 7 elements fused into one

golden sluice
distant citrus
#

To think once upon a time physical dps razer carried my ass and then I hit ar 60 A_WheezeTao

golden sluice
#

idk man, I was hoping you guys would tell me what the 8th element could be

golden sluice
#

I wish

#

nah there's no abyss element with that 7th shifting serpent bullshit

distant citrus
#

Would you believe ganyu was top meta once upon a time and then inzauma came and nerfed venti and she fell off A_WheezeTao
Not to mention ayaka just took her slot

golden sluice
#

istg they made that shit up for Skirk bro

#

I know

#

but that's

#

what every abyss user gonna do too

#

Rerir pyro

distant citrus
#

Funny thing was melt ganyu still was good but no good of field pyro hurt her
And by the time good pyro off field released ganyu was already powercreeped
Sad affairs A_HuPensive

golden sluice
#

you'll see

#

well that's if he's even playable gng

golden sluice
#

nah im not talking

#

about the abyss stuff

#

but he has a canonical fiance

#

soooooooooo

#

he still canonically was in a relationship

#

hoyo won't release playable characters who are in relationship or were

#

PMC C_TaoHehe

#

I know but

#

he got released

#

at the same patch

#

as Mavuika

#

🥀

slender haven
golden sluice
#

but in both cases it's always the vocal minority

slender haven
#

Varka makes a joke about not wanting to be seen alone in Lumine's room back in 6.1 if you're playing as her

golden sluice
#

yes and Lumine and is the mc, they can self insert into

distant citrus
#

Double swirl was ass to do with pyro overtaking from 2nd rotation
Then the other problem was no ir without zhongli
But zhongli meant one less slot of better sub dps
All in all it wasn't good for her C_TaoHehe

golden sluice
#

that phrase was made for husbando enjoyers who self insert

#

🥀

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
golden sluice
#

it's just catering to self inserts

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
#

in that regard

#

I do hope

#

Alice mentions her

#

husband

#

but I feel they're going to ignore it

#

actually I saw someone talk about how Klee is a fairytale creature like Durin too

#

I think they might go with that route

slender haven
# golden sluice husband

I had a horrible premonition the other day that Klee's dad was actually the Traveler due to time travel shenanigans. They don't bang Alice but rather become some kind of genetic donor for Klee to exist and Alice makes a bunch of thinly veiled romance allegories along the way.

golden sluice
#

how the fuck did you even think of that bro

slender haven
#

I don't know

golden sluice
#

don't tell anyone else I'm afraid you might actually mainfest that shit

slender haven
golden sluice
#

we are cooked

#

FRIED

#

IT'S YOUR FAULT IF THAT HAPPENS

slender haven
#

Man the reactions would be crazy though

golden sluice
#

a lot of people would be rightfully disappointed/mad and the waifu enjoyers would be over the moon

#

oh god

#

didn't Klee call her dad a great traveler

slender haven
golden sluice
#

ah yes

slender haven
#

That's what she called her parents

golden sluice
#

I mean the traveler is an adventurer too

#

and even that is a cop out honestly

slender haven
#

That would be the most basic ending

golden sluice
slender haven
golden sluice
#

this is what im gonna do if it happens

slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
#

I figured but still

golden sluice
#

same

#

how are they going to address the voiceline about Klee's father in that case tho

#

the fox girl?

slender haven
#

Only that new pokemon game they're doing has a lot of guys
But it wouldn't be shocking if they flip on that too the second 2.X. drops and reveals exclusively female characters

golden sluice
#

they always do

slender haven
golden sluice
#

of course

#

oh well

slender haven
golden sluice
#

when was the last time we got a male character as a main push in Genshin?

slender haven
#

It was worst in WuWa

slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
#

As a Catholic it got a little uncomfortable for me lol
Since the main villain was a pretty obvious Pope parallel

#

But apparently he turned out to be some kind of tragic good guy or something idk

slender haven
golden sluice
#

really

#

not even Furina

#

?

slender haven
golden sluice
#

oh okay

golden sluice
slender haven
#

And nice

golden sluice
#

fair enough

slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
#

It just got really annoying

golden sluice
#

why do most religious figures who are villains always catholic

#

can't they make

slender haven
#

That's about it

golden sluice
#

a muslim a villain for once

slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
#

Idk I stopped playing around 2.4 so I didn't finish the story

golden sluice
#

OH MY GOD I MISS WHEN SUNDAY HAS OBVIOUS CATHOLIC INSPIRATIONS IN HIS DESIGN

slender haven
#

It was getting into waifu slop too around that time

golden sluice
#

where im from if that happens the show or the game is getting banned from the country ngl

#

but they're fine with doing it to everyone else

#

at least where im from they're like that

#

there's a reason drawing and music is forbidden in the religion

#

indeed

#

such an annoying type of people

#

hey

#

what are the chances Pierro is playable

#

ehh I'd argue they're delusional, when anyone points it out their hypocrisy most of the time they don't get it and say their belief is sacred

#

at least most of the ones I've are like that

slender haven
golden sluice
slender haven
# golden sluice what's your reasoning

On one hand the devs have been hyping him up a lot like in the Shades video where he was a major part, suggesting that the devs want you to get invested in him
And on the other hand he's old, which tank his chances

#

Maybe he'll get some power up that makes him look young again or something lol

golden sluice
#

I sure hope not

#

I want a old man

#

who looks like an old man

#

and a man with facial hair

slender haven
#

Varka's model would fit him well

golden sluice
#

real

slender haven
#

At least

golden sluice
#

just give him some facial hair

#

also

#

he's not ireedemable or anything

#

right

#

he's not a bad guy

slender haven
#

I wonder what Columbina's quote about him will be

golden sluice
#

istg if they pull up the "he was manipulating the Tsaritsa all along" card im going crazy

golden sluice
#

gotta go check

slender haven
slender haven
golden sluice
golden sluice
slender haven
golden sluice
#

them being friends

#

Tsaritsa and Pierro

slender haven
# golden sluice what is it

My theory is that Pierro has some kind of curse or power that prevents people from really looking into him, thus causing them to just overlook him despite his great importance

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oh yea that makes sense

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I hope so

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Yeah but Scaramouche should hate him for sending Dottore to Inazuma
But he doesn't

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And all the other Harbinger voice lines express opinions about them

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Cause it's all according to plan

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isn't it weird how the harbingers who are most likely to know useful information about him aren't playable yet

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namely Capitano and Dottore

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He literally heard Dottore say that Pierro sent him there

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heh

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if this is just hoyo being smart about their release

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He didn't

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He didn't

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Maybe

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But they don't even express an opinion on him really
It's weird

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And they have been name dropping Capitano every patch

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I think it makes sense

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and Capitano and Dottore are the ones who most likely work closely with him

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actually I don't think Columbina is giving us anything useful about him or any other harbinger

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she's a bum they probably never interacted once

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yeah but Tsaritsa gives orders too

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maybe he gives them orders through her

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or through Capitano

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6.1 when Sandrone and Columbina are talking about tea parties mention him also when they're talking about the immortality curse
6.2 has Venti mention him in his new Hexenzirkel quest
6.3 with the power scaling Knights mention him

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and I hope you agree with me

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do you want Capitano to be playable with the mask or without

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Yes.
The Snow Maiden lady will be his BIS

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Varka might have a voice line about him too

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that's what I'm thinking, iirc in the lazio teaser Capitano is the one who asked Dottore about his progress with Scaramouche and the gnoses

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I'm nearly certain he gives orders through Capitano

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Varka's Capitano voice line: ||Complete "???" First||

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what about his face

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I don't think Capitano treats Dottore like a friend but second part could be yeah

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That's to cover his missing eye

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Fatui mask ig

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there's no reason for Dain to cover it tho

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Phantom of The Opera cosplayer

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oh I didn't know about that

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He sacrificed an eye like Odin probably

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To gain knowledge

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We have three Odins now
Irmin
Hroptatyr
And Pierro
Rerir kind of too

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I hope you're right

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yeah I saw that but I thought they just met them

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how did Dain get injured

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And a missing eye too
Plus in mythology The Wild Hunt is associated with Odin

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It wasn't the Aranara it was the Order of Skeptics I'm pretty sure

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And Irmin

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Ig

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His eye is fine though
He just wears the eye patch to make Diluc feel guilty

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Yeah

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It does have a scar apparently but he can still see through it

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bro

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The silly Billy

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how did Dain get injured back then

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Nah

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Vedrfolnir is more like Mimir honestly
An all knowing figure

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The Rhine Maidens I guess

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They were assigned by the gods to protect the Rhine Gold

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Then a dwarf called Alberich stole it

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He's the king of the Nibelung
A species of dwarf

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Idk

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Indeed

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Both I think