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I think she helped make Saarelainen tbh
Or Hyperborea in general made him
Cursed her seemingly
He is the "perfect being to merge with the world"
Probably
@ashen ocean btw
do u remember pre Fontaine
when it was leaked the hydro archon
has
gravity
powers
?
Well PO might be artificial too
Since the Wings of Feasting call them an AI
it does?
what the hell I gotta check it
Sort of
yea im thinking
im thinking it might've been true and they changed plans
They're described as having "functions"
The city of Tollan technically had a "false sky"
Voyager travels through spaceship where their body is stored I don't think they're related to Fuli at all since voyager entirely exist in present unlike Fuli that exist in future
maybe voyager is one of the fragments or the children like March and Cyrene, might be a memokeeper too
That the Dragons had sky tech
I doubt it cause they understand the Traveler's physiology pretty well
Hm interesting
But the Moons governed fate and the skies so they could have had a part in it
Yeah
Well the Shades look pretty humanoid
Not really... Unless you want to connect genshin with honkai lore in which case...
I guess you can say they're one of the memokeepers
Memokeeper are those who collect memories while traveling different worlds they record everything from birth to death of cosmos
They also worship Fuli
and the shades were made in his image
Still they are fairly familiar with the Shades and gods so I think Phanes is just a robot
Do they?
Koitar says they're against love
They could just be projecting emotions on them
Also AI can feel emotions too like Ineffa
isn't Ineffa an AI? she feels those emotions too no?
then Phanes can be the same thing
Still AI
Scaramouche is an AI too
both AI with a conscious
Scaramouche could be a parallel to The HP
Ineffa was whole on her own
She was just broken off from someone else
The other Dragonlords had emotions too
Aino doesn't really need to do that though
Ineffa request it
Not really
Well they are artificial in some way
That's what they're called in the Wings of Feasting
Wings of Delicacies I mean
"This deity was actually an artificial intelligence, created by the intelligent species of the planet to optimize resource allocation on a planetary level. The shopkeeper was right — there was still one thing she could do."
Wings of Delicacies
Yeah
Isn't the diety female here while PO was androgynous in nature?
What's the connection here?
The PO is both male and female
The second customer was a world destroying demon, which also fits with Abyss Nibelung being the second descender
Also I believe the og Chinese used more gender neutral language
They're both male and female at the same time hence androgynous nature
Wouldn't this nature be noted? It certainly did in every other lore
Hmm
Another wrong en translation issue?
Well I'm not sure
All the Shades are female so they could lean more feminine than masculine
I'll have to check
oh that's an old leak
yea nah I don't believe it
I don't wanna believe it either
at least not the final part
Old leak? Thank God
yeah I saw it a few months ago in Dottoremains or FatuiHQ i think
Alright I checked the other translations and they use both male and female pronouns for the first customer
So I'm guessing it's supposed to be neutral
It sounds like fanfiction anyways lowkey
E
and the 6.2 stuff too
Idk I just don't think he's become a descender
well yeah not necessarily to that extent
That doesn't sound plausible
Plus, we didn't have any leaks on 6.2 or 6.1 so why would we have leaks about 6.3
all I'm saying is it makes sense considering what he did in 6.2
but I'm hoping it's wrong
Yeah but he got thrown the Moon Gate
He's going to get messed up
just because I don't want
a Dottore that is not obsessed
fuck no
just so we'd get a clean Zandik that's not guilty?
no no no that sucks
A LOT
Not here though
the obsession tormenting him is what makes him what he is
a Dottore that is not obsessed
is no Dottore at all
it would be a very huge downgrade
This doesn't feel right
sure as long as we get the og Dottore
I just think he wants power
that too but I'm talking about
the evil Dottore
the og personality
nooooooooo
evil obsessed Dottore please
If only
Yes Dottore will betray the Fatui
I wouldn't say so yet tbh
he's technically still following the palestar edict
which is
to capture Columbina
He already defied the Tsaritsa's orders and he stole the electro gnosis
wdym he stole the electro gnosis
He just wants her power and will then kill the Tsaritsa
the second one is a huge assumption
Sorry, Scaramouche did and Dottore helped him
I mean
he still got it back in the end
he just wanted to mess around with it first
If Scaramouche won the Fatui would be fucked
if Scaramouche won the Fatui wouldn't be the only thing that's fucked
at that point
Atp he would've controlled an entire country though
A war would need to be fought
A bunch of people would have died
anyways I still think it's early to judge and if he survives 6.3 he's definitely going back to the Fatui
and personally I don't think he's surviving
🥀
A clone will
I know he said he will make more back in Sumeru
but we shouldn't assume
he already made some
off screen
after all he said they need time
and resources
It's his whole thing
I know
but I don't want to jump into assumptions
because nothing about it has been mentioned yet
- I don't want to cope
if he dies
I don't want to become like Capitano mains last year
or Signora mains
since Inazuma
if you had only said the first part I deadass would've believed it
@ashen ocean does the textmap show the order at which the characters talked?
like
yea in the beta
oh I see
I'm holding hope maybe Dottore talked in the end
nvm they only leak 1 act textmap
unfortunate
oh so the beta textmap only has how many lines each character has?
unfortunate
I hope someone leaks 6.3 story
not
that
The beta isn't even out yet be patient
I can't
what if he dies

I hate the traveler bro
deadass who likes the traveler
I don't see it honestly
oh yea
that happened
any traveler slander
is appreciated
no no
I saw it
I just forgot about it

I hope they die
in the endo f genshin's story
I hope to do it they have to use their bodies or something to makke the new world
then I don't have to look at him bum ass everytime I do a quest
I have to question your taste
@ashen ocean @slender haven https://www.reddit.com/r/TravelerMains/s/PfZqfoeygI
I hate the traveler fans bro 😭
They all suck
deadass
his sub is a snoozefest
same
such a thing exists?
the travelermains sub is so full of aether fans that I thought it was exclusive to him
aight give me a sec

I uhhhhhhhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
well at least they're not the powerscaling harem shipper fans
yea you enjoy that gng 
I saw
it's so funny
tbf
even as a straight guy
I gotta admit
Rerir's so hot
and cool looking
it was like love in first sight when I saw him
I honestly prefer it over Aether's
I'm biased and shit
but god
Rerir's intro is the best one in the game
even over Dottore's
bro didn't know his real job
ikr
I deadass
didn't expect it
to happen like that
nope, but I saw the reactions in the genshin leak sub
it was wild
especially beacuse a lot of a lot people didn't expect one of the sinners to show up
I saw someone posting a theory about it in the lore sub because of the moons stuff
understandable honestly, if he becomes playable that design needs to be the playable model
ohhhhhh
I saw people talking about that
how the fuck did he predict it
when we knew nothing of Nod Krai yet
peak
but
Rerir seems not that significant in the grand scheme of things
yeah I guess so
dude
I hope it's something none of us can predict
but tell me
what is the popular theory about it?
hmm
well tell me
each moon marrow leads to the same place?
I'm thinking
what if it's just
a result of the gate of the Iridiscent moon being unstable due to the marrow being corrupted by the abyss
purified by Khaenriahn researchers?
I see
Tholindis did too no?
but then how did Rerir have bits of her in him
and they were able to see her memory
honestly I think the same thing happened to her and she got mixed with Rerir
that wouldn't explain why he had entire memories of her inside him
ig that explains it considering he mirrors Ronova
I deadass didn't understand anything 
oh yea
it's Ronova's case
I still think she didn't die literally
Damn where is dottore boss
This level of glazing lmao,he only outsmart Hexenzirkel (which we dont even know if they were outsmarted/tricked or just pretended. The Shade barely have anything to do with the entire quest too.
He's going to probably die next chapter quest
Having accomplished nothing
He definitely will if the Irminsul will involved but got stopped mid way
That might be a Dottore clone
Would be weird to deal with lower tier Dottorr after the 3 Moon Dottore
Though,if Nahida have voiceline in next chapter,he might do something with the Irminsul
I think the Irminsul plot line will deal with Capitano's return
Since he's the master of the ley lines now
Isnt that title is for Natlan Leyline
Not the entire world
No he controls all of them now
The 5.3 Liyue event was caused by him
Plus he created Stygian Onslaught
Also he merged with Lord Night so it makes her master of that leyline
Reread the quests
He became the master
he did? when was that said
At the end of the 5.3 quests Ninguang tells Beidou about how something involving life and death ocurred in Natlan
Obviously referring to Capitano
Capitano sacrificed himself by merging his existence to the Lord of the Night in place of Mavuika's death, making use of the curse of immortality placed upon him and all Khaenri'ahns by Ronova to supply the Lord of the Night eternal life to repair Natlan's Ley Lines.

I think this is to reference how Hutao almost die in the the border of life and death
No he also changed the rules of the ley lines to let in Khaenri'ahns
No she literally mentions Natlan by name
Yes that too because his special allow him to take any soul on
In*
Special heart
God damn
Because he became master of the ley lines
Here it is
Just read it for yourself
Will probably be brought up again next Liyue event if I had to gues because spoilers
||Apparently The Celadon Mare gets revived from death||
Still,he fused with Lord Night,he isnt exactly independent there, the sibling also asked Lord Night to help instead of Capitano
No it isn't confirmed where Capitano's soul is
Yohual dodges the question and tells the party "to not pursue him"
Where is this spoiler from
Some leaks
Though,wouldn't it conflict with Nahida job
(Although Nahida have more authority and more knowledge ig)
She just "controls" Irminsul not the ley lines
She doesn't have much authority over Irminsul
She needed the gnoses to alter it in the quests and Dottore says it hides things from her
Scaramoche did it without any of that ,just by going inside the heart of irminsul
And jump off

That was explicitly from his remnant Gnosis powers still in him
She's just a branch of it
She can't control the ley lines directly
So while she can't read hidden or deleted info or alter rule,she can still do basic thing
Assuming he is not fused with Lord Night ig
Also where is that Stylian info from
If anything, it would be sinner related
I don't think he is
Since Yohual confirms his soul is still around, just not to pursue them
Remember, they're in cahoots about something
Of course his soul is still around,it is similar to Naberius
We explictly know it's about the ley lines stuff
It has a purple flower like the ones contained in the Night Kingdom
And it gives you the weapons of the Sinners despite Khaenri'ah's ley lines and memories being destroyed
Yes but he's still active
Since he changed the rules of the ley lines
so yohual reconstruct the leyline in Natlan and capi change the rule basically then
Ronova made the Night Kingdom with Yohual and Cap took control of it
Yohual is still in control though
Abyss Sibling asked for a space to weave Khaenriah leyline
They share it I guess
Since Cap changed the rules on his own and became the master
Mona hex quest was funny 
Please say it's permanent and not for 5s
It seem like her regular walking animation
Peak
Her E only summon a gravitational hydro field
Finally nod krai has actually good exploration unit

Well explore with her walking animation gonna feel ..something
Depending on whether it consumes stamina like in case of lauma
It might actually be best ground exploration
Hopefully it doesn't 
I afraid she will use stamina for her sprinting like usual
Oh but the animation above did use sprint but otherwise it looks like normal walk animation
Yeah they are using sprint besides the usual walk
It's good then
The first few seconds is normal walking
Oh it is sprinting nvm
Sprint then dash
I did not see full video cuz 4g too weak
Nvm again,it is normal walking animation 
Yeah it's normal with few dashes
I didn't see but this is from 6.2 lol
Now to wait to see if it actually gets added to her kit
90%
@ashen ocean Mr nine identity got revealed and it's not what theory made it out to be 
Nicole shared her story with one random seelie to write on her behalf and they're the Mr nine 
Do fischl hex quest there you'll see
Dottore's boss portrait is literally a tracing of his Star Rail expy Lygus/Zandar. No allegations necessary, if we want a punchable face, he provides and then some.
Yes.
😭 mother of titles
So what happened to Dottore at the end?
Did he also get moon gated?
But he exploded at the end
What happened
He also says the Marrows were "restricting" him or something
Can I get something off my chest btw?
The boss art looks really badass and I want to be excited
But I'm pissed off because they clearlt fucking despised Capitano and wrote him off having done jack shit
And now the neanderthals at FatuiHQ keep saying their brain dead takes that Dottore is better than Capitano and mocking Capitano fans calling them idiots
It pisses me of ngl
But I just have to be patient. Capitano will have the coolest return ever as the Lord of the Ley Lines and a descender level being and a god level kit
Right?
I hate Mavuika so much man
I just have to get that off my chest too
Hyperborea being 6k years ago got confirmed which means PO came even before
So like 10k years ago probably
why
The 6.1 catalyst says that the Unified Civ lasted a couple thousand years
Really?
6k was arrival for PO before but it's even before probably by few centuries or more
Iirc Before sun and moon says it took 400 years for PO to transform teyvat
And the war with 7 sovereign happened even before for 40 years or so
So like at least 2k years
So I guess PO arrived 8k years ago at least
But 10k has a better ring to it no?
Not really
A dumpster is more magnificent since at least they serve a purpose
How dare she stand where Goatku stands
She's Goku and Chi-Chi's aborted mistake
Only by attacking the friends in his heart lol
Actually he wore it in his rib cage
They're still bitching cause they know he'll die next version
Yeah
They Dottoremains2
Mavuika nearly lost against with ice powers
A fire god
Ice powers
So was he
Also Mavuika used her full power at the end
Still harmed the souls in his heart more than himself
Read the Travel Log
I don't want to read the quest description again
Ki control
It was condensed
Indeed
Travel Log for their fight
Did they ever have it?
Bro want to be Capitano so bad
Capitano doesn't need to split it
He just had one long straight streak
These thousands of years happened after the years of ark
So you can add 500 years or so before too
So roughly 8.5k years ago then
Some scaling considering that all 3 moon marrows isn't enough to break the fake sky
That means mav + ranova's blessing scales higher
I guess
A weakened bina and the marrows aren't enough
"There was a time in the distant past when it permeated all of Nod-Krai, causing immeasurable harm. The people paid a terrible price to heal this land.
Then, five hundred years ago, the whole of Teyvat suffered an Abyssal disaster. Once more, Nod-Krai was dealt a devastating blow."
Ok so i think we have confirmation for mad monk episode being different from khanerriah episode
@ashen ocean
Yes but probably not by much maybe few years or so
And I guess we'll get the mad monk episode in world quest only now
Either way it's going to be good
Hopefully 6.3 has it all both cognosenti and mad monk lore
Well, The Moon did not try to fight back because they did not stand a chance so they choose peace
That is why ronova blessing is above 3 moons
Also is weekly boss here yet
I just watched the cutscene
Traveler with element is cool as shit,suck that hoyo did Traveler injustice in story quest cutscene
is it true that completing the current aq wont let you do more selenic chronicles?
@ashen ocean
do u know
like from the first page?
or second
im aware of ||columbina disappearing to the moon or whatever||
but this is kinda important info to know if i wanna keep doing selenic chronicles
wait is this for the third page?
bruh
we alr knew that
😭😭
So PO was the one who severed the moon goddesses connection with teyvat after funery war
Well Nibelung was blamed for no reason 
Albedo calling wanderer mr guy 
Scara reluctantly calling himself the hat guy lmao
Good, just delete the fucking sub
Would do everyone else a favor
It isn't as satisfying when they keep punching themselves
Fair

Yeah,i alr expected Arlechinno cat ear reaction from some people when I saw preload leak
Idk about sandrone
Dottore not being loyal is not even a surprise given he is just there so he can experiment

He does look like that guy
They're a bunch of sad and pathetic mopers
Raiden using khanerriah tech to build scara got confirmed
So the theory got proven right
And he was built using branch of irminsul
How'd she even get that? 😭
I guess she could have just used ley line branches
Mona hex quest also confirmed the nature of apaosha
Apparently there are lakes within khanerriah that can reflect the space outside the false sky hence the sign of truth
Imagine staring into a lake and just seeing Cthulhu bruh
She has some sort of connection with istaroth I guess maybe she helped her
I doubt it
No wonder mad monk became well mad 
Probably just got ley line branches
Yeah that too leylines are the branches
Type a shit going on in Khaenri'ah daily
Red moon I guess
I was talking about my own internet but 

Why is it Khaenriah W when it is Raiden who used the branch
Oh sorry lol
She used Khaenri'ahn tech
And she hated human technology lol
Well she stole human visions because she saw them as a sign of ambition
And people didn't like foreigners in Inazuma either
So fucking he did a reverse magnet
So basically he tampared with the past so everyone thought that the gate method was the only way reviving rerir to double down how strong the 3 moons are just so he was in the perfect sniping position
Next patch is so going to be the everyone is crashing out patch
It might also relate to the burning of Irminsul hinted all the way back in the reveal trailer of all the Harbingers. Burning Irminsul will prevent any more changes in history as one last fuck you to the World and those wanting to heal it, like the Traveler, Nahida, and the Wanderer.
For once, we don't know where exactly Irminsul is right now, except perhaps the Sanctuary of Surasthana. But it's still symbolic of Dottore preventing any more changes in history, as if there is no Irminsul, no one can change things any more.
ye cause burning irminsul means he also get reduced to nothing
No? He tempered with the border,tricked the phantom which then trick Nicole,sort of. Also the Hexenzirkel 100% know how to get to the moon yet they choose the long path
Is beta here yet
In two hours tops, I think.
Or maybe it's a lore accurate beta
I know but 
But still
Crushed so hard with a God Finger he turned into whatever's left of his outfit. Seriously, you get his belt as material of all things.
It's going to be called some stupid shit like "belt of delusions of grandeur" or something
So he's the Welkin Moon lol
he's so cooked isn't he
tf
fuck no
no one likes him as is, no need to get excessive
aren't you a Fatui fan why do you dislike him
Because his fans act like he's the second coming and frequently hate on every other Harbinger
I'm just bitter ig
@ashen ocean https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/1pd2byu/63_boss_mats_descriptions_via_hakushin/
A mask recovered from the heretical testing grounds after defeating the False God of the Moon.
Medicine is meant to cure the ailments of the flesh, yet worldly healers turn a blind eye to the true cause of death. In the hands of a wise doctor, the frail human body is no longer bound by birth, age, sickness, or death, and may even display power beyond any common sense.
A binding recovered from the heretical testing grounds after defeating the False God of the Moon.
Humanity defines civilization by casting out madness, yet believing that all things—whether they exist or not—can be contained within reason may be nothing more than another form of insanity. The madman sees through reason's deceit, and in his world, everything is permitted.
A vial recovered from the heretical testing grounds after defeating the False God of the Moon.
For centuries, so-called researchers have crawled at the feet of the six cardinal sins, and their self-deceiving studies amount only to circular arguments and empty words. The pursuit of truth should never be bound by any restriction. In that case, perhaps those branded heretics and villains are the only true knowledge seekers.
what is it
yea you were right
Rerir is back
that's a lot of Dottore appearances tho
Those murals that leaked last patch?
Well I was right it was indeed describing the war and destruction of moon sister
Nibelung imprisoned them and turned moons into weapons
PO not knowing whether the moon sister were imprisoned thought they betrayed him and in turn destroyed the two moons and threw past one beyond the sky
Again Nibelung didn't do the killing it was again PO 
No
well I hope Dottore's not dead too
Yes according to murals it is white maybe they forgot? 
Because he did bring abyss with him
Or maybe black is later addition
It could also be that mural is quite old like from hyperborea time so color got eroded? 
Nvm gold color is still there so wouldn't make sense
Eh probably black color was added later to signify abyss since in early days abyss was new and they didn't know much I guess
he looks so cool
yeah his design screams Irminsul
fitting
why is bro posing like that
OH
OH
DUDE
no way he destroys the false sky right
no way
why would they put it
but
isn't that a death sentence
to teyvat?
the abyss can get in freely now
That tieba leak was true afterall
Yeah
Temporary obviously
It gonna be another Natlan moment
This time the real moon will forever represent in NodKrai tho
Elaborate ?
Oo
All this and the Shade still watch
Ig they already know Traveler gonna clear for them,like how they hired the Hexenzirkel to do their job
No
Natlan sky was destroyed but fixed up very quick
Also it is obviously just for aura
Like Narwhal background is broken sky
But that "sky" fixed immediately
So we are fighting in the sky
The scenery is insane
I'm talking in the case the fake sky was destroyed completely
which is why I think it won't happen
is that a giant finger
I mean obviously
Any major event that change every region wont happen
Irminsul fully destroyed
Fake sky fully destroyed
Will never happen since it will affect all region environment and scenery
Look like we fight him on top of something
His mech?
Air ship?
I think just a construct he made
don't think so
it's obviously being held by a giant arm
he made a giant arm holding the arena
or smthn like that
6.3 could not come sooner man...
Do u know what structure is behind the sun
Well not exactly but
That look like a mountain?
Bro FatuiHQ literally posted an edit of Columbina's head on a stick lmao
I couldn't make this up even if I wanted the sub to look bad
Yep
it's downvoted to hell man
Yeah but still
Fair
But the sub is really boiling over ngl
Might have to get locked down for a little bit
eh it's fine, people are just frustrated over writing decisions of the Fatui and it's understandable tbh
I guess we will see
most ppl there are fine tbh, you just mostly see controversial posts because that's the kind of posts that get the most traction
I like the Fatui but I fucking hate that sub
did egeria get cursed because creating life is Forbidden Knowledge?
Sorry, at least you guys get a cool boss fight though
We didn't get that......
or am i overthinking things?
at least Capitano's playable and coming back
Dottore tho
at best
an "innocent" segment
Only took two years after having his reputation be dragged through the mud
Sucked
yes
Fuck Mavuika
and they did him no justice
ong
oh right, it wasnt because she created oceanids but because she made them look like humans
which
celestia took offense with because ???
deadass the only archon I didn't pull for even tho I wanted a pyro off fielder
At least Capitano took over the ley lines and will have cool Night powers
please let him keep the mask and that design 🙏
Capitano succeeded at everything he set out to do
I have her but I don't build her out of spite
I'm going to probably skip Columbina but that's just because I want Varka instead
like
legitimately why do people hate Capitano's treatment in the natlan AQ
His design will probably get some tweaks imo
I welcome it though if it makes his design cooler
And if he keeps the mask
It's because they seemingly only want humans that they made it
Also taking power from the Primordial Sea was "forbidden"
I'd hate him coming back more tbh
let the dude enjoy his retirement in the afterlife
He is coming back though
It's in the lore
i know :(
Or whatever
mostly the Capitano mains ruined FatuiHQ at that point, I remember telling the mods to ban them or do something but the mods are hella inactive
KEEP THE MASK
speaking of Rerir
it's kinda interesting how his backstory mirror's the Tsaritsa(?)'s
ong
Cap mains are chill now though
The Tsaritsa isn't Saarelainen's lover
Probably
Not really
They just stick to themselves
well
assuming the Tsaritra/Third Descender theories are real
(they arent becuase the CN fandom would complain, but i like the theory so)
I don't see them interact much
I think they did a thing with Rerir mains lol
where's the Lightkeepers city 🥀
also
whats with the theories i keep seeing about Childe being the third descender?
because i have not seen any non-incredibly-flimsy reasoning for that yet
wait, he does?
Is Childe named Saareleinen or is Saareleinen named Ajax/Childe/Tartaglia?
wait where is Saarelainen refered to as Ajax?
It's an inferred thing
Tbh I have my doubts
They're talked about in similar manners
fair
i just like the theory because of how it explains why the Tsaritsa is collecting Gnoses like they're chaos emeralds, and why the other archons are so easily willing to hand them over
(also because it's IMO a more interesting motivation than just "power up and conquer the world")
something something coda makes it canon
Is dottore goated
Yeah
Just finished it
Bro looks so sick
His "power" is what i was expected
He doesnt have access to moon power now right
Since bina just
Gone
Atleast that what bina said
Oh damn
Is capitano still stronger
Fuck
Wdym some
Who is still stronger
Mav?
Thats my goat
I was screaming at the cutscene since no one is answering alice call
These dumb ahh people
Yes
The cutscene
Have dodoco calling them
For sometime
But no one is near
The only one near is ashru
But that dumb cat cant do anythin
Yeah she def figured it out, but i dont think its late
Just no one
Was there to
Response
Have you seen it?
For all we know the cutscene could be gone at a different time
For nasha town
And other
Cuz how the hell they get out of there fast
Hmmmm
I was about to be seated since varka is going on to the battlefield
But dude got time stop
Varka is stronger than arle right? since varka is said to be simillar to capitano
Lies and deceit
Lies and deceit
Nah 6.3 bro
Trust
@ashen ocean what's this place? I tried to look for it but found nothing online about it
in the quest
are we talking with phantoms
from Hyperborea?
Damn dottore is a crafty one huh
I knew he was coming towards the end and it was worth it 
Also Traveler showing their descender privilege again 
Columbina going into the same space as Rerir and Tholindis yeah not gonna go well...
Capitano is first though
And also the master of the Ley lines
Plus the Night Kingdom is probably from Moon power too
Varka was just saying Lohen is more durable not stronger than him
Perhaps under Mount Esus?
Nah until we see Varka unleash his full strength we can't say
He saved a Dragon Lord, a moon goddess, and fraudulent Descender from the Wild Hunt
He wants the Moon too after all
We don't know what Varka's final goal is
Plus he clapped Alice, absolutely insane feat
Wouldn't that be Lord of the night...
Cap's soul is resting alongside his comrades
While his immortal body is being used as vessel by lord of the night to sustain the leylines
He is talking about the context of the Kuuvahki test which he compared to drinking
So Lohen has more tolerance I guess
Lohen was a fraud who got neg-diffed by some Wild Hunt fodder and sent back to Mondstadt in a pack
He literally says that he's going to become master of the Ley lines
In the quest
Hmm I don't remember then but his soul was not inside the body that's being used to sustain the leylines
Yes he's living like Yohual right now
A spirit but still active
We still have to learn about his expedition
And we have more wolf lore in store so
Hey both he and Rerir have wolf motifs
So
How crazy would it be if Varka was the Bloodstained Knight
Would be crazy
Nuh uh
Two different guys though
"In the end, he used that immortality to his advantage and granted the Lord of the Night eternal life by fusing his existence with hers."
I guess they're one and the same then
Sure why not
He's Imunlaukyr, the first Knight of Boreas, and BSK
Kinda
His soul still got removed from his body I guess so he's still somewhere in the night kingdom resting
No he's changing the Ley line rules
Remember, he and Yohual are in cahoots
🥀
I think it's referring to him killing you
Some instant kill attack probably
why would it have an icon
Why would a cutscene of him dying have an icon
But why would it be HIS constellation
He already changed the rule and now he's not there at least that's what I interpret from this..
"There is no need to pursue traces of him. For those cursed with immortality, release from the mortal coil is the greatest form of peace. "
What if we literally beat him by shoving his fate back at him
what's his fate
She confirms there are traces of him
His constellation
Constellations in Genshin represent fate
oh ok I get it
She also doesn't want us to pursue him for some reason
Yohual can be pretty shady so
Yes but not at that moment implying he's not where his body rest which is merged with Lord of the night
His body is currently empty but his soul is still active
His body is being used as eternal fuel to sustain the night kingdom and give Lord of the night eternal life so that she can keep on doing her duty
I'm saying his soul was not there it's probably resting alongside his comrades
It's not there because he's in the ley lines changing them
It's heavily implied he caused the 5.3 Liyue event
Cool
Yes but he had already changed the rules of leylines (which directly caused 5.3 events ) back when he merged with Lord of night
He's not at it continuously
Also the change was to allow the souls of khanerrian to rest within leylines since they were rejected before
The inclusion of them was what caused the repercussions which we see in lantern rite events
Yes but he's becoming Lord of all of them now
Because Natlan and Teyvat are connected now
He also probably made Stygian Onslaught
he looks so cool
How will he get all 3? Columbina returns then wouldn't rerir too?
Oh SO is definitely the repercussions I was talking about
Side effects of changing the rule to allow khanerrian soul to enter leylines
I think they mentioned it too?
Yes but Capitano is fully taking control of them too
O don't remember of they did
No not directly
But it is implied
We don't know how
Maybe he's chilling on Varka's couch rn though
Rerir may have accidentally eaten Tholindis
Since he has her memories
He does but what I'm not so sure on is if he's still working on it
See the rule change already happened he's not changing anything more
And the results of said rule change is already seen on teyvat too
Biding his time or something
He probably helped out the Sibling too
We don't know what Yohual's side of the deal is
Yeah I think he probably gave them the memories of his and his comrades so that they can get new chance at life over at new khanerria
As for what Lord of the night got in return well that's a mystery
I think she wants a new body for Capitano
Assuming the Atlas can make those
Which it probably can
So she still has Cap's old body while Cap gets a new perfect body with Night Kingdom powers too
We'll see how that works but probably won't work since new khanerriah would just reconstruct the young cap anyway
Like how dereidyth worked
Unless he wants to replace his soul which I don't think cap would want 
A new young body though
Just without the soul
Atlus doesn't do that is the problem it reconstruct the whole thing
Unless she gets the same tech raiden uses to create sacra 
But jokes aside I think old cap story is finished and we'll probably get new version of him in the future assuming they want him back that is
We don't know what it does
We ain't getting a new version of him that'd be stupid
If it can revive Khaenri'ah it can revive one dude's body
We already saw what it does with dereidyth just on larger scale since the memories were limited at that time but now they got the sufficient memories of khanerriah
It can alongside the memories like in case of dereidyth it won't be empty husk
That was also Istaroth bullshit I think
Capitano will just override them like how Wanderer became Scaramouche again
No istaroth only merged the two space time into one singular timeline
The one we saw in the beginning was from the memories
True although they already told what they want with the atlus
It's to recreate khanerria which includes the whole package that's why they were collecting memories
And Yohual had a condition too
New Cap body
They are just looking for suitable place to install the leylines that's all that's left
And then khanerriah will be back alongside whoever memories they took I guess
I guess but we don't know the details of that deal
And if new khanerriah happens cap from the memories will be back anyway assuming they shared their memories
Eh we'll see anything can happen true
The new place could just be where Old Khaenri'ah was since it has no more ley lines anymore
Just pop down some new ones
Well real Cap would have those memories too
They'd just fuse like Scara and Wanderer or Durin and Durin
I wonder though old khanerriah was already targetted by celestia wouldn't that be risky
They'll probably get new place hidden from the gaze of the gods as they say
Or by the time it happens it wouldn't matter where they place the atlus
Celestia is sleeping
Khaenri'ah before was probably hidden too
Scara and wanderer are the same being
As for durin well old durin is dead lol
But I see the point
Old Durin literally couldn't die that was the point of the quest
No he's dead you can read when albedo explains the process
He was coming back he was invading Mondstadt with literal alternates
That happens before the new durin was born
Mini Durin "replaced" him and absorbed his heart
Yeah new Durin was born when Mini Durin absorbed Old Durin and replaced him
Yeah and the og durin is dead because of that
He's still existing New Durin somewhat
Just in the back of his mind
You can read Durin story too in his character details there also explains he's himself and og durin doesn't exist anymore
He has influence of both
The things we saw is just his insecurities as explained in his story details the og durin doesn't exist anymore
And the Abyss inside of him
From Old Durin
Hyperborea
THIS ACHIEVEMENT IMPLIES IT ENDS WITH A DRAW?
The one from the lake one?
Nice let's see first angel lore
Underground
Like Hyperborea
Ajax had to go underground to find it
Iirc
Yes, like the palaces too
Royal courtyard of the angel hidden within the forest of lake amrvatnir is different from golden city of hyperborea
No
Two different places
Hyperborea had the palaces of the Seelie
Hyperborea was the Seelie capital
Maybe read the weapon lore then
Yes
I did
So how is the Royal courst inside the forest same as golden city?
A part of it at least
Maybe not the full thing
But a part
It was because Koitar was Phanes' first daughter
The First Angel
Hyperborea exist toward the furthest North
That's where golden city was
Lake doesn't where Royal court is
It's the northernmost island of Nod-Krai though
Not the same as hyperborea though
"Legend has it that whoever breaks the golden branch in the forest will find the royal court of the Seelie, which is concealed from mortal eyes during the day.
A kingdom of the past, it lies forgotten by both time and space, hidden in shadow where no heavenly light can touch it."
A singular palace does not constitute as a kingdom
Also Koitar was there and what was she? The queen of Hyperborea
Koitar's hymn calls her that
So
Idk
Nod Krai is towards the pole of the planet
Its whole thing is magnets ffs
The Palace is just a piece of Hyperborea then
It was a pretty big kingdom after all
We'll get the full thing later
@ashen ocean
Maybe it's a "draw" because Dottore is dead yet another one lives 
it's certainly a possibility
there's two Dottores
in the text leak
what if another Dottore teams up with us and that icon earlier
She was not the queen of hyperborea lol
It was ruled by humans
is using his support against Omega?
Yes and the humans worshiped her as their queen
Seutervoinen was also the "apostle" of Hyperborea
They worship her as angel
And she also gave them the power to make life
They asked her too many questions causing her to slink away to Irminsul and meet Seutervoinen
Yes still doesn't make her the ruler of golden city
Koitar was still located in Hyperborea
From your logic it would be like Deshret being found in Remuria or something
That Koitar and Seutervoinen were in
We don't know that if she was restricted to that place though
You do realise angel lived in the palace above the sky right?
That's a fairy tale in universe
Also, could have been a Gurabad situation
It was her main kingdom since she wanted the people there to make the perfect being and they worshiped the Moons
If anything the palace from the sky could have fallen inside the forest
No she wasn't sent there she was there
Koitar lived on the ground though
Angels guided humans after all
It was an age when the unknowing masses still bowed to the sky's decrees, when the dawn star's royal court still hung high above the clouds.
Humans who live on the ground
I don't know
Yes the royal court was Phanes and Shades
Angels, on ground, with humans
Looks like angel lived above the ground
They were the proto archons
Yohual didn't
Nicole didn't
Dawn star's Royal court means just that it's her court and that existed above the sky
No she didn't live in golden city
Koitar's name means dawn star
It was just her royal court in Hyperborea
Andrius also got his powers there
You know, the guy called BOREAS?
She also would have lived on the ground after Seutervoinen talked to her
Again how does any this prove the Royal court inside the forest is golden city? Lol
They're two different place
A part of the Golden City maybe not the whole thing
Most of it is underground after all
Just like the palace
Agree to disagree then
Idk
Where does it say that?
It doesn't say that
The people angered the Angels with their questions and they retreated into Irminsul
Where does it say that
I don't see the word sent there
In fact Koitar was deeper down
That just means they were above them figuratively
Like a God over humans
No
It doesn't say that
I looked at the other translations
It just says that the Angels were FROM Heaven not that they looked down from Heaven
"In those days, the silvery moonlight still shone upon the lands of the far north, and celestial emissaries still watched over the earth.
The golden city, which had angered a certain emissary by questioning the knowledge of evolution, was embroiled in an endless dispute to appease his wrath.
The priests blamed one another for the sin of usurpation, for profaning divine love, prosperity, and wisdom.
From among them all, they had to choose the chief culprit who had corrupted the wisdom of the others, so that he could plead for forgiveness from the furious celestial emissaries.
However…"
They just watched over Earth because they were humans' guides
When they were first made
Then they started guiding humans below
That's why we see Seelie all over the place
They were on the ground
There was some quest in liyue I think when chenyu vale was released that showed the mural and how people of unified civilization communicated with divine envoys
It looked like they had to summon them for audience
Not really
Yes they lived in separate palaces
On the ground
It doesn't show them summoning them lol
And the Palaces they had on Teyvat shoots that down
Regardless Koitar stayed in Hyperborea for her rebellion with Seutervoinen
On the ground
Why do you think the palaces were on the ground at all?
Dawn daughter's Royal court hanging above the cloud is also another proof they lived above
Now it doesn't mean they can't go below but probably didn't most of the time unless they were summoned for audience or celestia wanted to pass on their message to humans or something
In Drunkard's Ballad it says they built them in the Dark Sea
Aka on the ground
Dark Sea is anything not ruled by Archons
Like Nod-Krai
It's an autonomous territory
But I'm getting sleep
So agree to disagree lol
We'll find out in a month anyways
They went back and forth
They had palaces on the surface after all
Or HP telepathically communicated with them
It may have when it was underground
They're a God
Not physically
The palace is Hyperborea
It's still north
Koitar was underground in Irminsul
She wasn't sent there that's just where she was located
It just says the Ruins were in the North
Damn we're getting lunar palace too next update albeit a ruined one 
And the palace was just a part of it
Since Koitar was there
And she gave Hyperboreans life powers
It isn't far south lol
Plus the Lake is magical somehow since it "hides" the palace from you
It could be some form of pocket dimension/teleportation
The word "sent" is never used lol
That's a fact
She lived there
Lake is probably like that one island we saw in venti hex quest
In her palace
Hidden from the timeline
Maybe
Because they did come from Celestia
They just went down to the surface
Dawning Frost says the Angels stood by as the Earth civilizations warred
So surface civilizations
Yes the one with puzzle
Do venti hex quest it's explained better there what the island is
Unless you don't have venti
Then just read the quest
Yeah just read it from ambr
Well that wouldn't make sense cause the Angels guided the human civilizations
Persian
Yes but they spent a good chunk of the time on surface
Like Hyperborea
Sumeru is just kinda a mix of that area
Dottore and Dottore
Yup they had to come down to do the guiding anyway but their resting place was still above the sky
Of course later when the rebellion happened and they were cursed the remaining ones had to live on the ground even underground in case of lord of the night
Dottore's tragic backstory is that he had a tiger mom
That's it.
Except Koitar who remained in Hyperborea for her rebellion
True but that's after voyager came
And that era lasted a while though
Enough time to have a palace
In Hyperborea
Oh speaking of voyager nicole couldn't recall his name in the quest which was interesting
The palace was already there it's the Golden city
So you admit the Palace part of the golden city?
Good
Which used to be part Hyperborea
In the top part at least
Yes? But you're confusing it with the one on the lake which I believe is the one from the sky that had fallen aka the Royal courtyard
These two are two different palace is what I believe
Well things may have gotten shifted around after the Nails
Remember part of the landmass broke off so things could have been split apart
One part of Hyperborea broke off and moved far north
The other part remained with the rest and became buried under the Lake
Or something like that
Ballad of the Fjords said it became part island
Wait
"Legends say the winter comes from Hyperborea, and the fjords and auroras there are curved and sharp as the fangs of wolves,
And the glaciers and snowfields are always fissuring forth new crevices, or filling them in, creating an ever-changing land.
Until at long last, the frozen earth cut itself from the umbilical cord of the continent, as though it had its own will or dreams,
Leaving behind only the legend of young Ajax, who discovered the country of gold and white stone"
See
how long are the new quests