but i have to rebuild venti i gave him dps build💀
#・genshin-spoilers
viscid cove
i have to put spoiler tho
viscid cove
eh
my understanding of it is very different
everyone suggest g-talk ppl to literally go here if they wanna talk about leaks without spoilers
if you wanna talk leaks in the main general chat you gotta mark it cuz some ppl dont wanna see it
unless if we wanna clarify here we can just call mods
also
it seems like there are 2 durin in 1
and thats where you also lost me cuz i receive the different info
tc-lounge aint yall talk abt math only ahh
ye whatever
last time i was there its complex theorycrafting💀
crazy
seems to still be abt theorycrafting to me. definitely not a place for me to yell casual stuff abt my fav
hybrid yew
Yo
Been a while since I've heard of Genshin stuffs
I heard that Natlan's been done with, so I guess by now...
How's Ice Russia so far?
short moat
it seems like there are 2 durin in 1
his eyes and pose is so much more menacing with red backdrop
so escary
hasty narwhal
She's def one of the few people that can at least go head to head with him and not get destroyed in 10 seconds
but yeah I don't think she'd have an interest in this fight since I doubt Rerir can give her any info about Surtalogi
gloomy meteor
Skirk Flins Nefer Varka Arle Bina surely could beat them w/ traveler as well
gloomy meteor
but yeah I don't think she'd have an interest in this fight since I doubt Rerir ...
yeah :(
hasty narwhal
plus we did meet her already in nod krai randomly and she said she was leaving iirc
gloomy meteor
Oh definitely not, but if that’s the case we also have Durin
Yeah
Iirc isn’t he also created from khanriah?
Yeah it’s over 😭
W
if i’m not mistaken isn’t he the first weekly boss?
does he look to have a playable model?
(praying)
dottore
I haven’t gotten to that point of the archon quest so idk
oh shit lmao
oh shit i forgot about that
hasty narwhal
Rerir needing a god, a moon descendant, an overpowered alien, and 10 other fighters to be brought down make me scared about Surtalogi 
gloomy meteor
yes but didn’t he delete them in sumeru? i’m assuming he made more, regardless but still
W
As long as he has clones confirmed playable
Unless he gets captain treatment 💔 that i’m still convinced comes back
the ultimate cope
Oh gotta, I need the top 4 harbingers playable
it’s not a want, i’ll die without them
hasty narwhal
ngl dottore playable over capitano would still piss me off, but I understand dottore has way more lore importance 😔
gloomy meteor
ngl dottore playable over capitano would still piss me off, but I understand dot...
I think capitano is just shelved as he isn’t dead technically
sadly we didn’t see young dain either
sadge
hasty narwhal
maybe he's a bird
distant citrus
Did act 3 pretty great so far
Will do act 4 later
Also arle being the last survivor of crimson dynasty is real 
And crimson moon being the iridescent moon's shattered parts swallowed by abyss was the real surprise.... The so called "shadow" was abyss all along 
also tholindis was hot...I understand my man rerir now 
flat hearth
whos the mystery ally
WTF
GOD FAMN
so they might show her model next patch?
cha ching
distant citrus
Damn Dainsleif in a quest that's not named traveler.... A surprise for sure but a good one
Alright varka flins convo was funny
gloomy meteor
BROOO WHAT
WHY DIDNT WE SEE DOTTORE :(
W
fs fs
we still have 2 versions of archon quests
WHAT
I love being disconnected from the changes that came with nod krai to be very pleasantly surprised by it 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
distant citrus
Alright done with the quest
Pretty nice one
A lot of theory came true and others went bust
Was pretty interesting
@ashen ocean do you know if sandrone talking about rene and alain has different cutscene if you didn't do narze quest?
Yeah tholindis being rerir lover was pretty much clear because of the irl myth
Although people speculated her to be colombina which turne out wrong
She's her own character
I was asking cause I already did the wq so I recognized those people but what if those who didn't do it? Would they get different cutscene or something?
Also this is second time wq character are present in main quest
Pretty nice way of going forward ngl makes wq actually be part of larger narrative
True
So now we have eternal moon marrow arle has iridescent
And colombina well she doesn't have a marrow since she's already the new moon
You know what else?
Dain columbina interaction gave me an idea
Actually nvm
Yeah eh I was thinking colombina doesn't have her real name so maybe welkin moon might be the one she might choose but then I remember welkin moon is not actually a name
Still pretty much a lot of plot point are left open let's see where story goes pretty exciting stuff all things considered
Also i guess we only got rerir perspective this time the rest of sinners are still left not to mention tholindis wanted to meet abyss twin
Lot of stuff left unexplained
For Alice it was the stuff that she gave to dori but what did nicole do this time? I legit don't see what she did except towards the end a lock clicking sound at the tavern...
Yeah but what did abyss twin even do that irmin went mad that's what I wanna know
Like okay Irmin was already kinda mad to begin with but still
Need details
Yeah but why? Details missing like what was he hoping anyway... That kinda stuff
And he was killing crimson moon people because they knew about abyss
They also knew of a way to use abyss that's what he had wanted too iirc
The same way how arle can use abyss even if it takes her life
Yeah but I'm sure their method would be different
They knew about the moon though
Tholindis even gave the fragments to that child who was arle ancestor
That's how crimson powers survived up until arle
They know about it
In fact the iridescent moon broken fragments got engulfed with abyss which turned to what we know as crimson moon anyway
And the dynasty was using it's power
The whole perinheri stuff was just that as arle explain us
The gate opened by using three moon powers was indeed the goal they wanted tholindis was doing her research on this only and she even opened it
What I was talking about was the space where crimson moon was the one opened by arle
That was known by the crimson moon people or at least the sages
That's where they used to send the orphans
As stated in perinheri
Also the powers of crimson moon was also usable by them that's what arle inherited too
The one you're talking about involves all three moon
That's different then
Using the powers of all three though that's the thing
I see... So the Moon Marrow, or rather the power of the three moons, is the key to unlocking ■■■■.
So it's not all three? I understood it wrong then
Like columbina borrowed from both traveler and arle to regain her powers so I thought you need all three
Nvm then
Oh yeah she only had iridescent one true
Still what's on the other side though... Guess we'll have to wait for that
No this I remember she opened the gate but didn't have enough power to close it that's where dain comes in
Yeah watch that scene again it's not close but sustain the gate
Which begs the question where does mad monk fit in? Because he also was also the source of wild hunt emerging in nod krai 500 years ago
Actually when ineffa tells of seeing a woman when was this? What was the timeline?
Actually it made it clear enough so that we know wild hunt is subset of abyss
A kind of unique abyss phenomenon but abyss nonetheless
So while wild hunt is using rerir corpse are source it's still an abyssal phenomenon and could actually precede rerir even if the current wild hunt nature is because of rerir
So like mad monk did bring abyss and then this abyss later used rerir corpse as base birth unique abyss form we call wild hunt
Yeah
Yeah that's what I'm saying mad monk brought abyss to Sheznaya
And later when rerir corpse appeared in nod krai the abyss used that to create wild hunts
Yes he went to portal and we don't know what happened there
But we know that his pieces of corpse were scattered around nod krai
So whatever happened inside guess we'll have to wait
It must've involved ved gold and tholindis at least
Wait wait.... You use moon marrow to open moon gate
Tholindis went inside one
Rerir also followed but he came out with his scattered corpse (ved and gold are involved here)
So in short he's hunting moon marrow to open moon gate again where tholindis went? Is that his goal after all...Like maybe he didn't actually find her inside and is still searching for her
Ved did say they'll meet again
Ah alright
Speaking of abyss durin literally converted the abyss into usable kuuhvaki for colombina
He's special alright
Yeah the same one used by rerir
Back when rerir attacked inside?
Yeah it was him also Alice gadget given by dori
And also colombina
I thought that was varka at first then remember blue flames is dain
What is varka even doing....
Didn't do anything just made plans smh
Amrvatnir i guess we'll be going there too later
Also ineffa went there but that plot point was not mentioned again...
Yeah I was like where's ineffa she went to that place when is she coming back
And then they never mentioned that place again lol
Future plot points I guess
Whenever they decide to release new map...
They also didn't go into whole sandrone knowing alain...Like how did she knew him? Gotta wait until luna 9 for that I guess 
At least we know he's dead though
That's confirmation
No more alain is the robot theory...
That's remain to be seen though
She could be former human who mechanized herself or something
True
Probably in her quest we'll know although it'll be a long time from now
They locked rerir for next update just in time to give durin screen time
Guess he'll be back when colombina releases
Yeah cause all lore points to mad monk
But in main quest we get to know the abyss is using rerir corpse
But if abyss is using his corpse then abyss must have exited before no?
That's where mad monk comes in
Also another thing albedo said the rerir we see is pure abyss creature now whatever og rerir was he's not there now
Does that mean he's similar to gosythoth now?
I think abyss consumed the og one
Actually the tholindis that was seen with wild hunt what if that also like gosythoth
And not og tholindis
Yeah albedo dialogue just added more confusion
He's pure abyss creature now that's confirmed but does that mean nothing remains about original reirir?
Oh wait it could be like jakob case... How could I forget my goat jakob...
So he became abyss monster but with his conscious left intact I guess
Actually now that I think about it didn't ved also became some abyss crystal
And this abyss is very weird all those voices inside rerir head that he thought was ved's was in fact voices from abyss... And the same voices was heard by all the 5 sinners
What even is abyss atp....
errant cliff
Haven’t finished this story but just finished meeting with Sandrone and now I’m getting the bloody marrow
Idk about yall but does anyone else get Furina vibes from Sandrone? Like started as a cocky character but she hella sad and her story is probably gonna be reeeeeaally sad
Like diva I’m so sorry…
She genuinely sees the fatui as her only friends/family 😭
normal terrace
seems like Nod'Krai's archon quest pivots on a central plot/antagonist every 2 patches. I have a feeling Dottore will be next in 6.2 and 6.3
distant citrus
Liben returns in luna 3 and talks about dorman port
So probably that's our future area most likely when varka releases if I had to guess
Hopefully we get nod krai expansion before all that
That would be funny
On serious note though dorman port is just gonna be one patch only
Hoyo would want to connect all the missing border area before going full Sheznaya
strange oxide
Has liben only talked about major areas/regions that take up a whole version X
What patch djd liben talk abt nodkrai
Lol are we getting 7.x dornman port then 
Kinda sucks cuz that means no dornman port in 6.x
distant citrus
Yes very possible
Although I'm not sure if varka knows anything about it
Yeah
Arle sandrone also talks about him
Sandrone didn't tell colombina either
She was about to spill the beans though
Dottore wants the moon powers too I'm guessing and one twisted way is to bring rerir back and use him
Although rerir is gone for now so wonder how that would fit in his schemes
@ashen ocean did you see this?
I don't know where it's from maybe it's the event or something but it talks about zandik aka dottore having met ibis king
Although I don't know what's the significance of this in plot...
tawdry blade
@ashen ocean what happened to rerir
Not done the quest but wondering what is that weekly leak about
Just spoil his current status
I heard about outerspace
Did he get send out of Teyvat lol
I bet he gonna meet Surtalogi
Let see if he appear in 6.3
Then 6.2 is probably them dealing with the Fatui
🤔
So no coming back?
Unless plot allow it
I guess Dottore Irminsul leak is scrapped
Or dottore survived and hide in Sumeru
Looking forward to do the quest
tawdry blade
@ashen ocean how good is venti new kit
50% dmg increase look good but not sure what team even need him
Also this potentially mean Zhongli is also getting buff,probably using Adeptus energy instead of Magic like venti
What team
Is it going to need durin
Does he have new visual aside from his NA
Ic
Hope Raiden get buff too
distant citrus
Venti got new na strings animation
tawdry blade
I saw it few minutes ago
distant citrus
I think he's faster although I might be remembering wrong
tawdry blade
It is like his Hold E skill
What kind of system would buff raiden 
What is that
They should give Traveler all of the future system to buff Traveler
Kuuvaki, Magic,Varka buff if possible or real
Are they influential as Hexenzirkel though
clever vault
My thought about Sandrone is and Oceanid was wrong
I think i will save the Sandrone things for when she comes out as a playable character
clever vault
What was ur thought
I thought Sandrone was the Oceanid in the scene that she told us...but turn out i read it wrong.
Because Sandrone heard most about the 4 through Arlecchino...she only knew Alain at that point
so Oceanid
she maybe a Robot of Alain made based on Ann's appearence
rigid cove
Sorry but
Don't y'all think that it's dainsleif's fault that Khanreaih fell
It is
No
Listen
Dain was the one who gathered all five of them
To storm the vinster king's palace
He did it
If he didn't gather them all in one place
The five of them wouldn't have become sinners
Even if eventually Khanreaih were to be invaded
The 4 of them
Would've saved Khanreaih
Excluding vedrfolnir
he might've been the only casualty
So Khanreaih would've been saved if not for what dain did
Heck , Rerir was not even needed to save his brother
Any other executioner would've done the job
Dain just needed a person to save his brother
While the others would raid the kings palace
Before celestia invaded them
The sinners already took the power
Wasn't that the coup that took place , leas by dain
You see the difference
If they didn't absorb abyssal power they would've focused more on saving Khanreaih
When they took abyss power , they practically cared nothing abt the nation
If they didn't have abyss power they surely would've
Dain pretty much gathered them all there in the first place
hasty narwhal
Seeing how their nation take a lot from north mythology and everything is Odin's fault I'm gonna blame everything on the king and their desire for knowledge and control
rigid cove
Seeing how their nation take a lot from north mythology and everything is Odin's...
Yes it ultimately is the Vinster King's fault
But
The fall?
No one was there to protect Khanreaih
Basically a sitting duck
Dain literally didn't do anything when each of the five took their share of power
He just stood there and grieved
Well
You're forgetting he's just as strong as any of them
Yes that's trur
It should be the opposite
Dain was the one who commanded them all to defeat the vinster king
The 3 were the ones who did the major fighting
So dain should be fresh
Not thrm
Well
Dain calls it betrayal but tbh there's nothing else to be expected when u defeat the source of abyss power which was the vinster king
Like
It's not like any of them were each other's friends
Rhine wasn't a friend to hroptatyr
Likewise him to surtalogi
If there was anybody who was sort of close it'd only be dain and ved
Their cooperation was based on mutual interests
No?
They're aqauantences
Like I said
It's based on mutual interest
They only got interested to gather bc a direct member of the royal guard summoned them
Dain happened to be in a higher position than all of them
That's why he was able to command them
The rest is mutual interests
Maybe it's not directly rains fault but he clearly trusted them more than he should've
No?
Even after they became sinners all of them went their separate ways
Rerir didn't know any of them personally
He was ordinary human compared to them
distant citrus
It's implied through ved and rerir that abyss voices called to all 5 sinners
Dain was just an just an instrument to ved's prophecy I feel
rigid cove
All just knew each other socially like their social status
distant citrus
That's why he felt betrayal because only he was there for justice
Everyone else had their ulterior motive regarding abyss
rigid cove
That's how two acquaintances speak
the only friends was dain and Rerir
That's why dain pulled him along
And even then
Dain didn't know shit about rerirs personal life
That's why he regretted it when he spoke to columbina
Surtalogi never seemed the type to be friendly w imo
All he cared abt was strength
And when dain was strong
That connection maintained
distant citrus
Ved dain were brother
Dain surtolgi were comrade in arms
Dain rerir were friends
Rhine and hroptytr are the only one who don't have any personal connection right now with dain
rigid cove
Ved dain were brother
Dain surtolgi were comrade in arms
Dain rerir were friends...
notice how rhinedottir, surtalogi , hroptatyr none of them knew abt Rerir
The only one who did was ved
And dain
It's already implied that
Rerir is prolly the weakest among them
But his story has alot
distant citrus
Yeah because he was nobody for them
Even ved wouldn't have known if not for dain
rigid cove
Yeah because he was nobody for them
Even ved wouldn't have known if not for dai...
In other words
He's like cyno in terms of position for Khanreaih
distant citrus
I'm pretty sure both dain and rerir were used by the other three more specifically ved
This prophecy man knew more than he told anyone
rigid cove
But he was still an ordinary human compared to the other 4
rigid cove
This prophecy man knew more than he told anyone
Yeah but he could only see up to the catacylsm
Buddy
He gained it after consuming his share of abyssal power
Before that it was just him and his techniques
distant citrus
No he wasn't using anything before
rigid cove
If he even was that high up in the social hierarchy, rhinedottir , hroptatyr, surtalogi would've heard of him
But they didn't
Well yeah but
distant citrus
Rerir himself says he's nobody why argue otherwise
rigid cove
Sorry but I think Rerir is the most selfish of them all
To think you'd evade an entire nation just to go after your lover is ...
but the others don't seem to have better reasons either
distant citrus
He's did the dirty work of the king alongside other fellow assassins
rigid cove
he was among the elite few but not the top
distant citrus
The position of rerir was not equivalent to others though
If it was ved rhine or even hroptytr would've known about him
rigid cove
His field was not being an assassin
It was more to deal with intelligence
That's what dain reinforces
^^
The others had solid titles ، acheivements too
Rerir didn't compared to them
distant citrus
He was part of royal group assign to cull the crimson moon Remanent but it's not the same tier as other sinners
rigid cove
Like rhinedottir was already the most broken alchemist who could manipulate life
Having abyssal power only help her reach up to Naberius and take over her
Surtalogi was already the strongest
Him having abyssal power accelerated him to conquer planets and eventually take skirk as a desciple
As for hroptatyr I'm not sure but
I guess it is
Lmao
look i like rerir too
But we need to accept the way the aq played out , he'd weaker compared to them 😭
distant citrus
He was the top man I guess for his own department
rigid cove
Other sinners are tevyat level threats meanwhile rerir getting taken down by nod krai .
Sadness
One is a planet lvl threat but we don't mention that
hasty narwhal
surtalogi might be a galaxy level threat at this point tbh lmao
distant citrus
Tbf he still not done and it took literal moon goddess and dain to finish the job
They somehow dodged the abyss twin this time when telling sinners backstory
rigid cove
Tbf he still not done and it took literal moon goddess and dain to finish the jo...
What happened at the end...? Did they seal Rerir?..
like
Is he back to where he was trapped
Or
They just sent him away
distant citrus
They threw him into the moon gate and closed the gate
As for what is on the other side well that's anyone's guess
rigid cove
I'd say the contrary
Rerir had a solid ambition , which was to save his to be fiancee or girlfriend
LMAO
SAVING HIS GIRLFRIEND
yes
Still solid
Others are just obsdesdiond
Obsessiond
Like surtalogi is just after strength that's it
Rhine is just after being the god of life
distant citrus
And depending on whether he found her or not the first time he's still at it
rigid cove
Yk he's husband material when hes willing to destroy the entire world for you
LMAO
I would say Rerir is the parallel to Ronova bc he's the "blasphemy against death" but they're not even equal......
distant citrus
Anything is better than "I want to be shonen protagonist" Like sutologi 
rigid cove
Yeah like
Is he back to where he was trapped or he was just flung away???
im still confused what happened to bro at the end
So he's sealed in some space or
Thrown away infinitely
hasty narwhal
from what we know of surtalogi from dain, he was the abused looking to become the biggest abuser 
distant citrus
Surtolgi went to Alice and she showed him jjk I guess that's how he became what he is today
rigid cove
you know guys
They hinted dottore at the end
Like when arlecchino and sandrone were talking
hasty narwhal
yeah we're supposed to kick his ass soon
rigid cove
They talked abt him
rigid cove
yeah we're supposed to kick his ass soon
Wanderer is coming for that
distant citrus
Moon gate is used to open the space as to where well I guess it depends on the one who opened it?
Or maybe it's random
rigid cove
Yk dottore is super bad if even arlecchino says something like "it'd be better for the world if he disappeared without a trace"
😭😭💔🙏
Wait fr??
So ur saying in potential aq act 5-6 dottore will bring back Rerir?
What's the event quest
?
Where was it
Is it miliastra
There's an event quest TMR?
distant citrus
He's gojo sukuna would be skirk
Also I only remember the meme so I'm basing this on that
rigid cove
Bro i was lowkey confused why they just dropped nefer backstory in the middle of the quest 😭😭
I was like what even
Bringing back sumeru memories...
I mean it makes sense....they confirmed that the monster they're facing isn't actually Rerir
The fragments of Rerir binded by abyssal power is what he is rn
Which makes sense cause his only ambition was to go after the moon to save tholindis
Which is why even though he should've gone after arlecchino (bc she held the crimson moon) he went after columbina bc to his eyes she had the moon and moon = tholindis
But they outsmarted rerir's outsmarting
LOL
bro
NEFER LITERALLY SAID THEY LEFT SOME INFO FROM THE CHESS SO THAT RERIR COULD TRACK THEM
it was in their plan all along 😭😭
It was so that they could worry about planning their next move without having to worry about Rerir being on their ass all the time
It was to buy them time
Alice only helped through the pendant
Which is what saved nefer
distant citrus
As I said maybe the one who opens the gate has the power to pick the space where they want to go or something?
So if rerir had opened the gate he would've gone to the side where tholindis was and that's why he wanted moon power
rigid cove
I mean nefer got the pendant before they went into the chessboard..
I mean he's clearly not reunited with her
Remember she's a pure blooded khanreiahn
Who knows what could've happened to her
distant citrus
Yeah but we don't know what happened the first time
He's literally dead split into multiple pieces
Something happened the first time
And ved and rhine are involved even tholindis
rigid cove
He's literally dead split into multiple pieces
Idk why they blame the wild hunt on Rerir when it's not his fault it's taking place
distant citrus
Idk why they blame the wild hunt on Rerir when it's not his fault it's taking pl...
Wild hunt is using his corspe as the base to appear anywhere in nod krai
And resurrected rerri is using wild hunts too
rigid cove
Wild hunt is using his corspe as the base to appear anywhere in nod krai
Well his corpse is scattered all over it's not his fault tho...
I mean the fragments
He can only identify them by using the wild hunt
distant citrus
He's still there even if not all fragments are together
distant citrus
Mad monk was responsible for abyss disaster 500 years ago
rigid cove
Who is the mad monk
distant citrus
Wild hunts are special case of abyss that occurred later
rigid cove
wild humtd are not related to abyss
They may be
But they're not an abyssal phenomenon
If not , the traveller could've purified them
But it's strangely not working
distant citrus
Who is the mad monk
Guy from khanerria apparently he was a scholar banished after seeing the truth of the world aka aposha
rigid cove
Guy from khanerria apparently he was a scholar banished after seeing the truth o...
Is he one of the five sinners
?
distant citrus
No different
rigid cove
fatui has knowledge on all five sinners
Why choose Rerir?
distant citrus
But they're not an abyssal phenomenon
Wild hunt is still abyss though
distant citrus
It happened in nod krai too after all that's where the sampo mill was which mad monk was searching
He brought abyss and was defeated by the Lightkeeper
Later on I'm assuming somehow rerir corpse was scattered in nod krai which became the source for abyss and led to special case of abyss phenomenon called wild hunts
There's also tholindis somehow involved here maybe she's the leader of wild hunts mentioned in artifact
It's a simple case of evolution I think
It's like power source right you use better source you get more power
Then using sinners corpse is the best fuel
rigid cove
@ashen ocean @distant citrus my head is gonna explode
GUYS WTF
IMAGINE THIS IS ACC TRUE
Yes
I mean...
It's possible that columbina didn't regain her memories
Since tholindis fell to the moon
rigid cove
Their neck is of different size lol
Their hair..
distant citrus
Besides Columbina has already been established moon goddess nothing to do with tholindis
rigid cove
Besides Columbina has already been established moon goddess nothing to do with t...
Did u see tholindis eyes
distant citrus
Amd they're already setting up tholindis as wild hunt related
rigid cove
Fr?
distant citrus
Yes she's involved
ineffa tells about wikd hunt emergence as a woman being in the center leading them
Then the varessa artifact also talks about leader of wild hunt existing
We just don't know the details for now
rigid cove
Yes she's involved
ineffa tells about wikd hunt emergence as a woman being in t...
She's a pure blood khanriahn
So does that mean she's a holichuril
distant citrus
Pure bloded khanerrian are immortal it's the rest who turn to hillicurl
Besides I don't think tholindis has anything to do with that
We don't know where she went and what happened to her after she went inside moon gate
Actually wait... We do know where tholindis went after crossing moon gate
How did I forget it 
It's the same space where we went after arle opened the gate
rigid cove
It's the same space where we went after arle opened the gate
So why didn't we find her there thrn
distant citrus
we did see her memories there but not her I don't think they told us where she went afterwards
Let me check if I missed some dialogue... Might find something or not
Ok nvm I was wrong the memories were of past not after she went inside the moon gate
So we still don't know where she went after crossing moon gate
My bad...
And she had access to that space even before as she was conducting some research there
"...Ever since that outsider set foot in Khaenri'ah, the Vinster King has sunken deeper into madness.
If only I could get my hands on that outsider..."
This woman was onto the abyss twin what did she want from him....
So she wanted to kill him or what?
Also another thing when tholindis said the power of three moons is needed to open xxx
Do we have a confirmation that his xxx is moon gate only? Or is it something else?
Like if it's indeed moon gate then why hide the words?.... Especially since we get to know about them in the same quest anyway...
Suspicious ngl...
rigid cove
"...Ever since that outsider set foot in Khaenri'ah, the Vinster King has sunken...
YES THAT OUTSIDER
I KNRW SHE WAS TALKING ABT ABYSS TWIN
distant citrus
"I see... So the Moon Marrow, or rather the power of the three moons, is the key to unlocking ■■■■.
If ■■■■ really does exist, then maybe this madness can finally be put to an end... "
Remember that she didn't get the marrow because the marrow was still there when we went inside the space
So the gate she opened in that cutscene was different
Yes so the things she was talking about is something different I feel and not the moon gate
Madness is referring to whole episode with the king where he's killing her people
@ashen ocean also here another thing I spoke yesterday
"Do you even know why he's so obsessed with hunting us down? Why he keeps trying to force us to hand over our secrets, over and over again?"
He was after their secrets
Most likely the ability to use crimson moon powers I feel
Crimson moon powers were also associated with abyss too so maybe he also wanted something related to that
Orlog
The boy who meets tholindis
Yes I was talking about king only
Also another interesting stuff...
"Over the course of this week, the research object was subjected to interference for a total of 47 hours for experimental purposes. The results are as follows:
...All subjects of observation that were sent inside have now ■■■■■. The situation within is proving more problematic than anticipated."
What's this object she was researching?
And apparently every subject sent inside that object turned to something?
rigid cove
What's this object she was researching?
And apparently every subject sent insid...
Prolly the moon marrow
distant citrus
Oh wait the marrow was fused with abyss right?
And only after traveler purify it we got the og marrow...
So she was experimenting with the abyss marrow then? And couldn't purify it?
And anyone sent inside were turned to abyss
Nah we saw her memories inside she was experimenting there so that much is clear
I'm not sure if she even got the marrow ngl because it was still inside when we went there
So found the chamber where it was but that's it nothing else was told
And the words were clearly hidden
When she talked about using moon marrow to open something that was hidden
When she talked about the object she's experimenting the results are hidden
rigid cove
Oh wait the marrow was fused with abyss right?
Iridescent moon x abyss = crimson moon
distant citrus
Where?
This proves my point actually
She talks about using moon marrow to open the moon gate to some unknown place...
Later on she says the name of that place only for it to be hidden...
"I see... So the Moon Marrow, or rather the power of the three moons, is the key to unlocking ■■■■.
If ■■■■ really does exist, then maybe this madness can finally be put to an end... "
This hidden text is not moon gate or even moon marrow... It's the actual name of the unknown place she's talking about in the screenshot you shared
Don't tell me this is pohjola?
I would assume the powers of moon marrow aka pure kuuvahki can be created using sampo mill?
Why go after something when you can just create it...
Not to mention it was relic of first angel
Actually did he even wanted to go to pohjola as far as I know he was only after sampo mill....
Mad monk that is
But we know Elysium and pohjola the not same
Elysium was just the paradise an ideal
For mad monk it was revealing the truth of the world by destroying it
For reed and solovei it was creating nod krai where no king rules
Pitch black could be outer space no? Beyond false sky? But abyss is also there so I guess it could be same...
Actually the common theme is that universe is getting destroyed by abyss like entity
This much is established
So the real universe is in fact the abyss covered anyway
The world of skirk was too destroyed precisely because they gained immunity to abyss and so they were annihilated by their neighborhood planet out of fear
Voyager also saw countless worlds destroyed before she found teyvat at the edge of the universe
PO redemption arc is exactly this... He wanted to seperate the teyvat space with the rest of the universe and created false sky
Kinda similar to how decarabian wanted to protect his subjects so he created walls but his people took it as his tyranny
He was protecting against abyss
Probably his world was destroyed by it
And he took the blueprint of humanity with him and planted it in teyvat
That's akin to how decarabian subject felt
Despite the good intention his method was harsh
But still nothing says this is pohjola...it could be though
True pohjola is center of it but let's see what's it real name though because they have hidden the real name in the quest
Actually if you see the cutscene you can see the moon shattered pieces beyond the gates no?
Or at least it looks like that one space where we went in colors quest...
Imagine if pohjola is lunar throne of the frost moon aka the home columbina wants to go
Would also explain how PO was there
Maybe PO did something with the abyss and made the last remaining moon throne as cage to bind it or something?
And while from time to time abyss uses its influence to get mortals to work for itself
She does suffer although I don't think it's related to abyss...
Or maybe it is
Yeah nvm too far fetched
Yeah I don't know what pohjola is then
It's pitch dark place but then PO was there somehow...
Definitely related to abyss somehow...
tawdry blade
Actually if you see the cutscene you can see the moon shattered pieces beyond th...
No,I think it is just some ruins
She did sent some stuff out before
Or she wasn't the first one to open the moon gate
But yeah,it could be Color out of space quest where there are many ruins
Now give us our spaceship hoyo
distant citrus
Wouldn't demiurge here be nibelung
He's the creator and he's also the source of evil aka abyss
Him being bound after the war inside the moon wouldn't be far fetched...
Would be poetic too he's bound by the same light energy he created because he's now covered in abyss
Oh
I remember that khvarena could purify abyss and that's related to angel powers aka light realm energy...
Yeah that's what I was talking about
Also colors quest too
Both had similar dark space area with broken pieces of moon...
Yes
Rene also noted the same property of khvarena as we see of kuuvahki
Mutual destruction
Where one can use other to grow itself
paper furnace
Does varka have a different face render than everyone else or am I crazy
distant citrus
Yeah he did the same since he's using abyss
Rene research notes let me find it...
paper furnace
Do we know why? He looks good but soooo different than the others
distant citrus
...Compared to the powers of the Elements, the power of Khvarena is actually more similar to ██... It assimilates whatever materials and energies it comes into contact with... though the Khvarena is opposed to the energy of ██, it does similarly have a form of self-recognition. On this point, the two possess the same properties... just as tinctures of mercury will not mix with water, but will do so with other...
...We can reasonably infer that the power of Khvarena might be the same as the power of ██... the result of being projected onto this world.
The same behavior as kuuvahki
Remember colors quest the same was noted of kuuvahki by those sheznaya scientists
Rerir used the same phenomenon back in luna 1 and now we used the same in current quest too
With Columbina amd durin
Yes it's the same underlying principles
Even if the process is different
It was rerir powers...
"We need to use alchemical array to convert his power into usable form then quickly channel it into Columbina. "
Albedo's array converted his powers from abyss into light
And as you said then durin used his abyss power to create potential difference which caused this newly converted light energy to surface where colombina then took it
It's the same thing rerir did when that giant kuuvahki canon was fired he used it to grow his own powers
"....It could be that when kuuvahki and Abyssal energies meet, the stronger side will suppress the weaker one.
And while kuuvahki can indeed destroy small-scale Wild Hunt anomalies, should Rerir be strong enough... the kuuvahki might be his for the taking instead...
The Abyss always seeks to corrupt..."
Both light energy and abyss energy would supress other depending on who is stronger
The same principles with khvaerena that Rene observed too
And we saw in colors quest too
Yeah the method was different but underlying principles was same
Moon goddess too
Last mural has two broken with one intact moon
Also their dress is similar to what rhine wears
With the hood
Yeah she mistook columbina as og frost moon
Yeah that one
Also the first mural shows nibelung firing his beam into the moon
So does that confirm he's the one who destroyed the moons?
And his beam only goes into two moons while the third doesn't get hit
It also shows the 3 goddess being imprisoned by him?
Hmm so the moons were destroyed before the goddess themselves died
I don't know i can see the beam coming out of his mouth and going into the two moons leaving the last one
Then on 3rd mural two are broken and last one is intact
2nd shows two goddess facing front while last facing opposite showing her back
I'm assuming this is iridescent when she fled amd left the other two
Hmm..
What's the context for this btw? There's no new map next update so where did this come from? Is it some event?
Nvm it's aq
So we'll get the conclusion there i guess
No I mean the conclusion to what this mural represent
If first mural is creation amd 3rd is destruction
Then what's 2nd?
Betrayal?
One of them is facing backwards
Yeah she says to columbina that she lied to her
So she's involved there somehow
True
Let's wait and see
Where does it say this?
I don't remember in aq
Wait why didn't it show in aq then?
Is this datamined info?
Hmm what's the other one then?
Canon and aria?
No where does it confirm it? I get it for sonnet but where's the others
Ah right I forgot
Hmm hypo something right?
I thought that was frost moon real name Or something
I don't think there's such a name in genshin
There's hyperborea but that's the name for region
Dw I also confused hypo and hrop (-tatyr ) at first
And reached insane conclusion
Voyager? PO? Maybe one of those
Like at this point PO had already split into 5 being
And if you remove the 4 shades the last one aka the male one is still not have any name
Between PO and voyager I'm leaning towards PO simply cause only frost moon was involved with voyager not the other two
What if it's paimon
clever vault
Sir, I have a question
I have seen some leaks about Dottore weekly boss next patch
Based on the one that secretly helped Rerir in Nod-krai
I couldn't figure out what Dottore's purpose here
If you have any info about it pls share
🥺My brain stuck
OCD
Or you can give me your thought
Oh oh noted...i see...tysm
Hope we won't fight against Fatui because we have friends there...Dottore have to become mad when we do the boss fight.
Like he messes up his experiment and we have to clean up
The Fatui did nothing wrong
Oh oh
Wait...event of this patch...u mean😳
If its in this patch i have to read everything
Big lore
rigid cove
There is no redeeming for dottore of all harbingers.
Yeah no
Dottore is singlehandly the worst harbinger to exist
he's performed experiments on literal children
yk what he did to collei
Sumeru aq.
Bruh
This ain't a mistake 😭😭
distant citrus
What's the difference?
distant citrus
I think it's clear that arle is not involved here but dottore
And he's also the one who's behind vilehmina
More like villainmina
Traitor smh...
Wdym?
Yeah nvm then it's not dottore
Hmm it's sandrone then
Ok it's sandrone definitely...
You remember how she was about to spill dottore name in current quest but then abruptly stopped?
Pretty sure dottore asked her to get the marrow for his experiment or something and she's working with him
tawdry blade
Give her some tea and she will spill the tea
cedar juniper
Alright chat hi
I just finished the quest
What are you guys' thoughts on it
I have some mixed feelings
cedar juniper
Overall i also liked it alot
The info on sinners was great
Vedrfolnir is ig the main guy i thought it would be hroptatyr
Also is efervit i think the name they said was
Is he pierro
pallid otter
That's such a solid theory
cedar juniper
One thing i say that was done kinda poorly is nefer ngl
I feel like her stuff and role was too forced into the story
pallid otter
It does sound like Eftirvit was extremely competent in his own right, just not willing to do what it took to earn the favor of the king
pallid otter
One thing i say that was done kinda poorly is nefer ngl
Yeah, I didn't like the backstory drop on her, felt kinda weird
I wanted to move on at that point
Shit should've been in a Story Quest
cedar juniper
Not really i dont think , rerir and her only have one thing in common and its that they work with intelligence
Not even a fairly similar way
Nefer uses it to manipulate people or use it for her own benefit
Rerir uses it to track down his targets bc he was first and foremost an executioner
That too she was kinda a bad person but i liked they touched on it
Ehh
Fair enough ig
I still feel they made nefer seem more important than she actually is
Like why tf is dain of all ppl asking her about fucking sinners
Yeah i get that but idk
Arlecchino was cool
Correct me if im wrong but from my understanding crimson moons bloodline and the kids from two worlds flame rituals are different things?
How is there diluted blood of them tho
Ig rituals stopped after eclipse dynasty founded
Could be
Also all that talk about how the "ıridescent moon is the most mysterious its remnants were never found yadayada" and all we had to do was ring arle and boom got the marrow
I think that was done kinda poorly tbh
Yesh
It was cool hearing him slowly lose his shit as he went through the files jp va did great
Well in that case it doesn't necessarily constitute as being mysterious and lost , its just tainted
Idk the way they built it up was a bit different than the reveal imo
Its cool that the crimson moon is basically dead iridescent moon+abyss
Do we know what the "eclipse" is
I thought it was just abyss fully corrupting the iridescent moon but we see the moon and its fine
Yeah what i meant by fine is that its still crimson 😭
Eclipse dynasty is said to become a thing after a "dark sun" rises idk what that dark sun or the eclipse is
Ig its just the abyss
Nah thats a stretch imo
That hyo- thing is probably columbinas real name
He was upto some bs but no i didn't think of thst 😭
Oh yeah
True true that was someone else and it's most likely dottore
Varka doing jack shit this quest was funny lmao
He literally just talked
I still kinda am ngl
I feel like rerir deserved a bigger finale
If it is his finale which i think is not but still
Nah not yet 😔
Thats crazy
Im trying to think wtf would tholindis do there
I did not expect it at all i was legit dumbfounded
Sandrone is DEFINITELY mary ann btw like she talked about everyone in the group
I think she has her memories and shi
I think it was also just very random and misplaced
There would've been a better time to play into this
Also i fucking loved dori this quest
Lowkey the goat
She felt so genuine and well written im very pleasantly surprised
She's fighting her social anxiety 🙏
How come
I can see dottore bc actually no body likes his ass among the harbingers
She did talk about capitano too
Prob not
Yeahh pierro and dottore definitely are more closely involved in tsaritsas plan
Pretty cool seeing their dynamic
Girlies having girls tea time is cute
Also sad that rosalyne died too early
gray raven
Shit should've been in a Story Quest
absolutely not
Hypo...? Who knows maybe it's the name of someone who lived on the Iridescent Moon or maybe the name of its Lunar Palace. There are several candidates but none are concrete. Just some of my theories anyway
lone sable
||after you finish nerfers story how much longer is there of AQ content||
tawdry blade
But the project only started not long ago,while Flins said that he encounter Rerir way before the current event and beat him everytime 
Not that we know when flins fight him but
Considering he is very old and have his heart for years
tawdry blade
Flins said he fought him before,in act 1 I think
distant citrus
Flins fought the fragments of Rerir that's why he remember the power cause it's the same source...
Proper Rerir only arrived when we together with flins fought him in act 1
plain bison
Dottore will definitely be the one who unleashes full power Rerir on us all 
They're building towards Dottore appearing very soon
Rerir isn't fully out of the picture just yet
Amsvartnir
Varka's explanation of his expedition
Event quest focus??
Oh Zandik
right
plain bison
tawdry blade
I mean,not that strange,even Neuvilette blood is red
outer kraken
Chat question is there a chance tholindis is alive or are we assuming she already died in the crimson moon domain
tawdry blade
My theory is she died and is with him the whole time,considering Rerir was shredded and still somehow end up back to Teyvat,it seem like no matter what,your soul/body will come back to Teyvat even if you left the world... So maybe Tholindis soul is still around the whole time
I have no source for why she would be around him but it is common in writing where villain loved one is with the character the entire time
outer kraken
That does explain the tholindis memories in the rerir memories
The memories are also very detailed too so we can’t just say it’s stuff rerir figured out
Again we dk how the chest box if it just simulates the target person memories or uses the leyline to also supliment the memories of the target person
Like we dk if it uses rerir memories purely or uses rerir memories as like a time stamp then gets the info from the leylines
The latter makes sense since it is a vessel for the truth
Tho if we comapre it with nef's section ( we actually can't say it's a 1:1 since that was rerir doing ) it should only use the target person's memories
outer kraken
But the moon marrow she used is the as the moon marrow arle has now
Or was it different
Ye it's def targets memories only which should be explored later why does reri have tholindis fragments
Tbf I don't think he has the congnition left after he was broken down to think
He still getting power for something
He could be getting power to piece her back together
But rn hard to see that he still sees her as a goal or following a delusions
distant citrus
Albedo said this...
"The Wild Hunt is an interesting phenomenon. In and of itself, it doesn't seem to possess anything akin to a human personality. But taken as a collective, the medium through which the Wild Hunt is summoned does appear to have a soul."
This soul medium could in fact be tholindis..
There's also this - "In reality, his whole being has been consumed by the Abyss. In other words, he is now nothing more than a manifestation of Abyssal power."
So what we see are not Rerir memories specifically but the abyss version of him that has already consumed his corspe
And if abyss is there then the "soul medium" through which it was summoned should also have presence inside which was tholindis
At least that's my take here...
outer kraken
So our rerir is rerir formed from the memories of tholindis and not the sinner
So the rerir we facing now is just an evolved wild hunt form
distant citrus
It's still using his corpse so he's still somewhere there but because the overall wild hunt is also there so that's where tholindis memories being seen inside his comes from
Kinda like we're seeing the host as well as it's master's memories all together
...At least in theory that is
outer kraken
So it's more of the wild hunt puppeting rerir's "body"
distant citrus
Not exactly puppet more like scattered pieces of his corpse is joined together by wild hunt that revives him and so he's holding onto his individuality but he's also dependant on the said abyss to remain whole..
And result of that is that is his body is purely made of abyss now
outer kraken
So his resurrection is cause the wild hunt wants a bigger gun for their agenda, my theory is based on leaks is that it's dottore that put him back together
distant citrus
It's like mutual co existence kinda of thing although it has costed him his humanity and he's barely keeping up his individuality atp
distant citrus
So his resurrection is cause the wild hunt wants a bigger gun for their agenda, ...
Yeah that's where it's heading likely
Although I'm not sure if he knows tholindis is at the center of wild hunt phenomenon
She's looking like a wild card here in all this scheming
outer kraken
So rather than what characters in game know of the wild hunt is rerir it's basically the wild hunt is tholindis and rerir working together but both unaware
Still tho tholindis is definitely way more important here than we realize since one why bring up she could be alive and two her fate is vague at best
distant citrus
It's not exactly confirmed how tholindis is involved but ineffa saying first wild hunt phenomenon saw a woman leading them
Then also the veressa artifacts talking about leader of wild hunt
Then tholindis having info about the name of the space that lies beyond moon gate even if she was not sure if it existed...
All this point to tholindis being at the center of it all but yeah it's still a theory for now
outer kraken
Hoyo has written a couple that became both the villian with owl and the herrscher of ice
So it's not out of the ball park
distant citrus
Yeah
outer kraken
Tholindis has admitted both of them were in the shadows
Tho it was only cause of hiding secrets but ye
outer kraken
Genshin rn is why khanriah deserved to fall the game lol
outer kraken
Propaganda
Why do you think neon*zi exist
Day by day celestia feels right
I mean it's a genicidal maniac taking down genocidal maniacs but still
tawdry blade
Random thought but what if Abyss sibling intentionally let Asmoday captured them?(because of the guilt of abandoning Khaenriah )It is quite strange if you think about it ,Traveler was able to easily dodge her seal but not the Sibling. Both outrun Asmoday cube too so their speed should be equal
outer kraken
TBH ATP is the abyss twin our twin
outer kraken
I'm actually crashing out the stupid people that said what rerir did was less worse than nefer since rerir was manipulated
RERIR HAD LIKE 10 CHANCES TO QUIT
Nefer just just fucking lied to both side they fucking killed each other cause both sides was just fucking stupid and greedy
Nefer was lowkey grey cause it was justice for her tribe
Rerir was just him being blind which is sympathetic but still wrong
misty dome
anyone feels like when power of friendship yeeted racher of solnari, it's like yeeting phainon 3.1 too
outer kraken
I SWEAR THEY BETTER END THE LUNA ARC WITH A REVEAL OF WHO PAIMON IS
WE DO NOT NEED THAT BAGGAGE DURING THE TSRAITSA ARC
Ngl fair
errant cliff
Can we talk about how bro let himself get pet by Nefer for a few seconds before trying to jump them?
Dude did not need to wait that long
Bro rehearsed it
I literally just saw that meme lol
Bruh I saw these two back to back
Lmao
Idk what aq is ✨
Oh
lol yeah
distant citrus
Tholindis face could literally be sold as playable character just put some fancy clothes on her
Npc design have come a long way in genshin...
outer kraken
Columbina was already fully grown when she was "born"
distant citrus
My man diluc keeps getting cooked
cedar juniper
Are you implying that rerir and tholindis had unprotected sex pre marriage
Ig tholindis' hormones kicked in and suddenly killing orphan kids because of their lineage aint so bad
What
Idk during either sexual climax or child birth oxytocin levels increase and this induces affection and love i was trying to reference that by saying her love for rerir increased and thus she turned a blind eye to his shenanigans 😭
outer kraken
Chat if rerir did not premarital fuck tholindis then he is more stupid than i realized
Ye
slender haven
Columbina was already fully grown when she was "born"
So was the mythological Rerir who Genshin Rerir takes his name from
slender haven
Are you implying that rerir and tholindis had unprotected sex pre marriage
He is a Sinner after all
distant citrus
In case of Aila she could see the light of threads woven by the frost moon goddess to see the past present future...
However in case of traveler she said their thread was too bright that she couldn't see what was supposed to happen aka when it came to traveler she couldn't see where their future leads...
I feel this is where descender comes in they're the wild card of this whole fate...
So whatever vedrfolnir has planned traveler will be the unpredictable chess piece
distant citrus
Well he did see the future although he couldn't control it before getting the abyss power
After getting the abyss power though? Well we don't know if he still can't control the visions or not... I'm betting on that he can
Or maybe abyss is the one controlling and he's just getting used
Could be yes wouldn't be first time in genshin where future affect the past
True
orchid lily
are there any future spil channel?
distant citrus
Everyone have right to be delusional let's not judge
fossil furnace
tawdry blade
Expected ig
So dottore definitely took our spaceship
Our spaceship must be really advanced to look fine even after the crash,even the sleeping pod still working
tawdry blade
Phanes collecting every title from every side
Also,Stylian Onslaught blooming is unexpected
Definitely preparing for Lantern Rite with white horse lady
tawdry blade
Bobik wasn't safe from the fatui in the end
slender haven
Dain could have just thought Rerir cracked down on actual conspiracies against the government, not literal ethnic cleansing
tawdry blade
Dain never was innocent, he is also hypocrite and arrogant
He dislike archon but they were also protecting their people like he tried to protect his "innocent " brother ,so what give him the right to judge them?
He also definitely know inhumane stuff Khaenriah have done but ignore them
slender haven
Dain never was innocent, he is also hypocrite and arrogant
Rerir says his friends don't know the full details behind his profession
slender haven
I mean actual coups and stuff are a pretty big problem
Plus the CM kid's dialogue suggests members of The CM bloodline do genuinely want to revive the Moon so some members actually planning a coup would make sense
He's just an opportunist
I wouldn't be shocked if he wanted to king instead
But Vedrfolnir doesn't really seem like that type of guy
Since he remarks the king changed before anything bad happened to him
Well he was just indoctrinated plus unaware of the kid killing
Yeah
But he seemed normal there since he tried to advise Rerir
So Irmin could have also changed because of Vedrfolnir's visions?
That might make sense actually, a tragic case of meeting your fate on the path to avoid it
Rerir says Dain isn't aware of the facts of his career
But he tried to gaslight himself into thinking Dain would approve
What if Vedrfolnir was trying to hook Rerir up with Dain by telling him to get a new partner?
Just a thought I had.
How
Also giving the Sinners front row access to abyssal power
Well he was just a military official
Rhinedottir says only Vedrolnir and Hroptatyr were a part of Irmin's inner circle
No Hroptatyr and Vedrfolnir were his right hands
Vedrfolnir was aware of Irmin's change while Hroptatyr was a yes man
The president's bodyguard wouldn't have much effect on political policy
And because Irmin was getting crazier
Well Dain was unaware of the full extent of Irmin's madness so he can't be blamed for not taking action
That wasn't really in his career description though
He wasn't the first patriot
Ok
Gold was his chief alchemist and seemingly made the monsters for Irmin's traps he laid all around the city (probably why Rerir was mad at her)
Surtalogi was just a really strong Knight probably, though he got crippled so Idk how high up he would have been.
I'm not sure honestly
I think the final sixth may have gone to the Sibling honestly
"blasphemy against the world"
Yes
Well Irmin already used them as an abyssal refinery
So they could have had some left over
Or so we think
The taking of Abyssal power happened only a little before the Cataclysm happened so the Sibling could have been there and booked it right after
Yeah that is a good point
Unless Asmoday already had her new master then and both the Sibling and Asmoday were just faking it or something
But that's a crackpot theory
Either one of the Sinners or the Fatui I guess
Could be Hroptatyr
Fair
Well they wouldn't know Asmoday is with her
Asmoday is probably in hiding
Since he is the Sinner Phanes after all
Was she?
Well Asmoday is also going against Celestia too now
So
Yeah
She could have just been spying on them not working with Istaroth
No she can
That was a past Dirdyieth just transported to the present
She helped Makoto plant the Sakura in the past
Well Istaroth is also rebellious towards Celestia at least
Something like that
Still it means Istaroth can time travel on her own
But wasn't Diredyith still physically in Khaenri'ah from her POV?
That's what the final cutscene was
I guess
But we didn't see much of Khaenri'ah itself in that flashback really
Ah ok
We already know the nature of fk really
Evil abyss knowledge
And we know Anfortas took over when Irmin was indisposed
Indeed
Ok
I'm just a little distracted right now lol
slender haven
You mean Ley line energy correct?
It's sort of like how Skirk describes it I guess
The Abyss is like a tornado. If you can harness its power without harm then you're good, if you can't then you're fucked
slender haven
How did you type that as abyssal and void?
Not really
The Abyss just feeds off light realm energy
distant citrus
Sounds like a retelling of teyvat events but in metaphorical sense...
White king is nibelung
Night king is PO
And little witch might represent voyager
There's also crimson moon in which case...
white king would be crimson moon king
Night king would be irmin
Little witch might represent abyss twin
In either of these two scenario we have an underground area from where the abyss is trying to engulf the whole planet but because a certain device(irminsul?) is continuously creating light and heat to counter abyss by burning the primordial sea water which then acts as a counter to abyss leaking...
But in case of abyss breaking anyway it engulfs the whole planet and the cycle(most likely the same cycle that moon goddess were left to attend to by nibelung) resets...
distant citrus
It sounds like the star system where teyvat exists is already engulfed by abyss except for last planet teyvat that still shines brightly
And to protect this planet from getting engulfed by abyss nibelung created the concept of cycles which basically resets the whole planet in case of abyss potentially engulfing teyvat
Then PO when he "took over" is basically doing the same except he's using this concept of cycle to create that one specific timeline where humanity ascends to celestia and become higher civilization beings so they are able to coexist with this abyss (I'm guessing he's hoping for skirk type situation except for all humanity)
And the last phase of this cycle always ends in khanerria except this time something went wrong and the cycle didn't repeat... And now we're experiencing the continuation of this final cycle for ourselves
Was kinda hoping genshin don't actually go for this cycle concept ngl but oh well...
Yeah the cataclysm wasn't supposed to happen the way it did
Usually the cycle would repeat bit this time something else happened and cycle broke
I'm assuming this has something to do with arrival of traveler
I'm assuming traveler to be the case because one deirydyth paradox is easily explained now and that it was istaroth using past cycle to influence current cycle
Then the fact that abyss twin came from outside without leaving the space ship also could be because he's from previous cycle or something...
Eh let's wait probably too much is going on here just going to get even more confusing from here on out
White king and night king are part of cycle according to above lore leak and they keep resetting with the cycle so I don't think Irmin alone is part of the equation that led to cycle break
It's something to do with arrival of traveler which led to abyss twin leaving khanerrian side and going for us which led to cataclysm and that led to cycle break...
Also if istaroth used previous cycle where traveler did not exist to influence current cycle where we do then we can also assume that in all the previous cycle abyss twin was part of resetting the cycle until the current cycle
This would also solve the whole abyss twin getting recorded in irminsul too
He was there in all the previous cycle so his record is there
No crimson dynasty king and eclispe dynasty king aka irmin
Based on the above leak
distant citrus
Based on the above leak
It confirms that cycle exist and when abyss finally engulf the whole planet the cycle resets
This reset happens during khanerria since the little witch mention crimson moon
so the white king and night king are mostly likely representative of crimson and eclispe dynasty
But we know this time the cycle broke and the single event responsible is cataclysm
I'm also assuming this happened only because of arrival of traveler otherwise just like previous cycle that kept repeating this time it didn't happen and the only variable here is abyss twin getting key from deirydyth via intervention of istaroth
Then the fact that abyss twin has record in irminsul and the fact that they arrived toward the spaceship from outside also leans towards the fact that they're from previous cycle or something to do with previous cycle...
Basically what I'm assuming is that in previous cycle when cataclysm happened abyss twin was there and somehow it led to abyss leaking and engulfing whole teyvat which then led to cycle reset
But this time since they were diverted towards traveler by istaroth the cataclysm didn't go how it should've and the cycle actually broke
Hence the final cycle and we being the center of it
slender haven
Well Khvarena is its own thing
That wasn't just Kuuvahki it was some weird experiment gone wrong from the Fatui scientists there
distant citrus
@ashen ocean in the wheels of fortune arcanum card it talks about 93 billion "years" of light and 14 billion "years" of darkness
Don't know what the significance of qoutes is on years maybe they're not actual years?
Then in the end it also says something about "reuniting with her"
Who's this "her"?
Imagine if these "years" represent cycles
The 93 billion cycle of light might be nibelung creation
And then 14 billion cycle of darkness would be PO
This "reunion with her" might be wrt to nibelung and voyager maybe...
slender haven
It was created by Nabu Malikata right?
So it's a different kind of light realm energy light realm energy isn't like that naturally
Since Nabu had to make it like that
Like how Xiuhcoatl made the Phlogistonization Array and Astral Assemblages as his own devices
Not natural though
Yeah since natural light realm energy doesn't do that
Khvarena also doesn't eat humans
Not really
distant citrus
Khvarena was alive it became simurugh which during cataclysm shattered and pari were born
Kuuvahki and kuuhenki are kinda similar in this regards
Not exactly same but similar property by virtue of being light realm energy
Where?
Like where can I read it outside the game?
Oh
Interesting considering the star system where teyvat is already filled with abyss and it's the last planet
slender haven
That's just a basic trait
distant citrus
So these planet are from other star system I'm guessing
Star system being another name for "worlds" I guess
distant citrus
So the world of teyvat is dying but there are other worlds that still exist
Skirk world might also be dead atp since abyss was also approaching there and not to mention they literally killed everyone who could resist abyss
slender haven
I thought it created an annihilation reaction when they interacted
That's why the Abyss became white and calcified
distant citrus
I guess it would be similar to what traveler does
slender haven
Kuuvahki is different
Rerir is special they mention that kuuvahki is still super effective against normal Abyss stuff
Rerir has the ability to feed on it however
He's a Sinner he's very special
Vedrfolnir says his obsession shakes the very world
distant citrus
Yeah it's because normal abyss couldn't overpower the canon
Rerir did
The principal is still the same whichever side can overpower other absorbs or feeds the other
That's the conclusion for Rene research too
slender haven
Tholindis fumbled him tbh
Ok
I don't think I said that but yeah it would make sense
Vedrfolnir is fittingly a lot like Istaroth since they both use their powers to manipulate things from behind the scenes
Actually Vedrfolnir's snake on his chess piece isn't eating itself it's just wrapped around something
So I've seen some people say he's jormungandr
slender haven
Actually Vedrfolnir's snake on his chess piece isn't eating itself it's just wra...
Though Jormungandr also eats its tail so idk
I really wonder who the "Loki" of Khaenri'ah is
Interesting
Rhinedottir is the Rhine maidens I guess
Yeah
I don't know much about Zoroastrianism though
Characters associated with Norse mythology/The Ring Cycle as created by Wagner
They protected a special kind of gold
slender haven
They protected a special kind of gold
Rhine, Gold
You can see the connection
And eventually that gold would be stolen by "Alberich" who was the nibelung of his kingdom
The term Nibelung meant a couple different things
One of them was a king of the underground I think
Or no it just referred to the dwarves I think
slender haven
On another note I've been thinking
I think it's going to turn out Nibelung isn't his real name, but rather just another name he had down the line and his real name has yet to be revealed
I think one of the Nod-krai trailers calls him a "nameless lord" or something like that which wouldn't make sense because his name is still relatively known
Yeah that's another additional name
I was thinking the name Nibelung could be like those names kings and emperors and stuff take when they ascend the throne so to speak
I was just using an example I know he was born king but he would've just had a "kingly name" and a "personal name" you know?
Plus I imagine he only became more of a ruler after The Voyager talked to him and encouraged him to try to go for the stars
Yeah that's what the Moons were made for too partially
The Frostmoon Goddess
She probably didn't like Phanes so Frostmoon
Yeah but they started working with Hyperborea down the line along with the rest of the Moons so they probably regretted it
No Nibelung killed them
There's a leaked mural of Nibelung literally blowing them up with laser breath
Yeah alright
But still Iridescent was talking to the Frostmoon there since she seemed fairly self aware
Yeah that's what I was thinking too
It just doesn't make sense for Sonnet to be talking to Phanes
Nah
We don't even know if Traveler and Phanes have similar physiologies
They had several names probably
Wha
Yeah
But what does this mean in relation to Iridescent?
I don't think so
The Moons were siding with Hyperborea towards the end even though they fought Nibelung
Finale of The Deep Galleries says all of them witnessed Koitar and Seutervoinen's first meeting
And eventually their wedding
The Frostmoon was the one who primarily helped but the others were aware
Yeah that too
Had to play it safe ig
Probably because of the Abyss or something
No they loved each other they probably just went crazy since the Abyss causes people to view their friends as enemies
Nibelung infected them probably
Since he was also infected
Plus it's ironic
Both father and his creations being infected
Which one
It jus says that they were slain though
No Hymns said he was ambushed by The Abyss and The Voyager warned him of it
Plus the Abyss has a known track record for corrupting dragons and corroding them
He's still a light realm being though and The Abyss is poison to dragons
Plus The Revelations of The Past WQ say he became "pitiable" after the Abyss
That's just what the wiki says do you have a source in game for it?
It also says the moon in the sky is the Frostmoon's corpse when we know it's just a fake projection
Also it says they only turned on each other after the "great calamity" so Nibelung
Rhinedottir has a purer form of the Abyss plus she's in control of that merging
It is because it corrupted Deshret and Rukk
No it's a literal flashback
Phanes was injured by the Abyss and considers it a threat too though.
Well Rhine just milked it from the Sibling whose body was like a refinery
But they used the lunar nails to try and purge the world of the Abyss completely
The rifthounds were a mistake though
I mean it's canon
Nah I don't think so
But still this is how Abyss corrupted Nibelung is described
Since they consistently destroy the Abyss whenever they see it
But it corrupted even the Iridescent Moon
And she's similar to the shades in nature
distant citrus
@ashen ocean have you read devil arcana?