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ember beacon
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Also for @strange oxide

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The abyss twin is recovering from memory loss, not immediately remembered the spaceship would've been the answer

untold rain
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i guess that works yeah

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less funny but it works

limber yarrow
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I must apologize Dainsleif, I didn't know your game. Didn't know you were this much of a dedicated hater and smoke demon

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He really do be on his Kendrick time with the Abyssal Order

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Beating an undead cripple to death 100 times over is crazy work

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BRO WHAT CALL THE POLICE ON THIS MAN

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He saw that man get back up and realized it was time for free therapy

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This man needs help

limber yarrow
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By the by, this was hinted at earlier, but with Dainsleif being a call in it is pretty clear that his Abyssal element will in gameplay terms become "anti-element", where it cleanses any element it gets in contact with and shreds shields like crazy

dusk cypress
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It’s possible

But idk

I feel like in practice it’d be sth a bit more balanced

limber yarrow
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I mean that is pretty balanced. Shield-popping is a pretty niche application and after the shitshow that were Fatui shields Mihoyo has pretty much given you a dozen ways to destroy a shield of any given element

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Skirk's story paragraph made it clear that back in the days of Khaenreia this technique was literally seen as a parlor trick. Completely ineffective with extensive training allowing you basic manipulation of a single element nowhere near the potential of a fresh vision.

And then Surtalogi came along and said "lmao watch this" and just casually began using all 7 elements at combat grade on his first try. The lore makes clear he is a complete and total anomaly and prior to becoming monsters the Khaenreans just couldn't do much elemental fuckery full stop. Even Skirk is the result of possibly centuries of extensive effort

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Though, that does make me wonder how Surtalogi will be designed if he's ever playable

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Maybe they'll just have fun with him and have him randomly use 2 elements with the ability to cycle through them, or causing random elemental reactions if he hits an enemy with a proc on them

dusk cypress
limber yarrow
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Surtalogi is basically just a shonen protag and I'm all about that

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If he doesn't do overreactive yelling or melodramatic speeches while fighting imma riot

dusk cypress
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I don’t see why that would leave him exempt tho

limber yarrow
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And again, Skirk's quest makes me realize how criminally, shamefully underutilized the Traveller is from a gameplay perspective.

I can't believe I"m saying this but take some notes from WuWa, Hoyo

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If there is one character you should just consider giving a design review every year and possibly overhauling, its the Traveller. Especially since nobody would give a shit if he got reworked from top to bottom right now because nobody fucking uses any part of Traveller except Pyro and Dendro for "too broke for archon" reasons

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He should get neat upgrades throughout the story, he should get new fighting styles for every element, he should get better kits for all elements, he should get the ability to at least hot-swap between 2 elements, and he should have an additional page in the vein of constellations which just keep track of buffs he gets throughout the story. Like the bigger AoE we just used with Skirk

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So much potential is being wasted

dusk cypress
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FGO characters should have more access to their special gear and skills but don’t in gameplay

They can make anyone they want playable but it’s going to be adapted for Genshin’s gameplay mechanics anyways.

It’s all on whether Hoyo wants to or not/think this character will sell enough.

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Any indication of a Sinner being playable likely won’t be apparent until 8.x tho

limber yarrow
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The traveller should be done by having very boring, stereotypical but reliable kits for each elements, and having not having the numbers or utility to ever be great in the endgame content (also, don't allow the hotswap system in domains).

But you'd pretty much want to incentivize your players to make the traveller a staple of your exploration team

dusk cypress
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8.x more likely

We’re not getting all of Snez in 6.x
So unless they’re changing up their routine even further, it’s more likely Khaenri’ah will have a whole version dedicated to itself after mainland Snez in 7.x

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Could be subject to change

limber yarrow
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He doesn't raise the f2p floor because he doesn't really compete with other characters, But as it stands most travellers have been a waste of dev tim

dusk cypress
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It’s literally part of Snezhnaya

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What

limber yarrow
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6.x is widely leaked to be the "fuck it, lets just finish it up so we're all set for the finale" version run

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We might not even get cryo traveller

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Though, I kinda feel like they gave the game away plot wise. Got a pretty good feeling about where the plot is heading with everything they set up

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I mean in all fairness that is because Mihoyo releases 2 kinds of 5s pyros:

DPS's and dogshit

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Holy shit actually now I look at the lineup it is literally 6 DPS's on a chronological DPS scale, and then Dehya

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Mihoyo please, my soul for some fucking pyro supports

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My XL has done enough, let her sleep already

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That is true

dusk cypress
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That changes nothing. Nod Krai is automous yes, but is still part of the Snez region in all the mentions we’ve had for it.

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Apples to oranges.

Nod Krai is still acknowledged as a Snez region, divine interventions notwithstanding

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Yet no different vision casings nonetheless. Like Gaming and Lan Yan. It’s still acknowledged as Liyue territory.

Overworld acknowledges NK as a Snez region. The implications of that and how it plays into with vision casings has far more to do with the Lunar powers there at work than not.

Nod Krai is geographically a Snez region still just as much as CV to Liyue.

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I was never talking about Seven jurisdiction

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I disagree, or rather won’t readily agree just yet. This lunar power and its history have been a prevalent topic for the past several months now as well as it placement within Teyvat’s core. Otherwise why would the game repeatedly harp on about how especially unique the state is until now with this power that predates even the elements?

Nod Krai is an automous sub region within Snezhnaya territory, yes, but not necessarily independent of it until the game says otherwise in the patches to come.

limber yarrow
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I know that internally in the code it is called a Snezh vision, but how certain are we that Childes vision casing isn't just a Fatui-specific casing? It may be that Nod is the actual casing for unaffiliated Snezh people

brittle dust
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Sum up of this archon quest:

  • Return to the cave.
  • Return to the cave you found X person in.
  • Go back to the cave.
  • Go find X person in the cave.
  • Return to the cave you were in.
tawdry blade
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Better word would be, Snezhaya forced themselves to NodKrai

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NodKrai was abandoned by them,so I believe NodKrai does not belong to Snezhaya from political standpoint

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NodKrai will be independent in the future,likely

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But we will have to see if Columbina will betray Snez for NodKrai or frostmoon

summer locust
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Or at least a voice.

summer locust
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Hmm true, is good for building hype purposes. If not we all gonna suffer a year for her to appear.

limber yarrow
brittle dust
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Its been soooo long since we’ve seen dainsleif and traveler was so casual about meeting him it was weird

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Wasnt the last time we saw him back in sumeru

limber yarrow
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Again, Dainsleif is officially the Kendrick Lamar of Teyvat

brittle dust
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Lol

limber yarrow
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He outright just states he doesn't really care if shit is a ruse because the opportunity for mass murder is too precious to pass up. That is what you call a dedicated hater.

he isn't following the plots of the Abyss Order to stop them. He is following them for opportunities to put some fools in his spliff and smoke them. The stopping part is just a nice benefit compared to the homicidal bias venting sessions

brittle dust
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I didnt remember he was so emotionless to the traveler and at the same time extremely hot headed to the point he keeps helping the abyss every quest yet he hates them the most out of anything

limber yarrow
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Man was at half mast when he heard that the punching bag he just found couldn't actually die

brittle dust
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Only

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That was some of the only times we interacted with him

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Still

limber yarrow
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I do have to say, the main archon questline is very well paced. Meaning the way the Traveller storyline developed. They set up the reveals of the central mystery very well

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Though, again, shame it is kinda obvious where the questline is going, what with there being clear indication of the Tsaritsna and the Twin's goals aligning

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He is, after all, Teyvat's biggest hater

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What do you mean its a mystery.

Her motives are a mystery. Her goal is confronting the Heavenly Principles

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it is literally the first the first thing we're ever told about her

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She used to be the godess of love, but now she is preparing for a rebelion against Celestia

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And it is very, VERY strongly implied that the suppression of Khaenri'ah is what caused her to tilt

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Hence she took one of the 5 sinners and a Khaenri'ah captain as her second and third in command immediately after

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Isn't Pierro strongly implied to be one of the five?

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Nothing is implied about Hroaptatyr because literally nothing is known about him, other than his name being the literal inverse of Pierros current title. It would also make sense, as the infamy of the Sinners happened during the calamity, being respected individuals that nevertheless decided "fuck this". And who would you in the event of a abyssal calamity call the Wise?

That is correct, the guy that got censured for telling you to stop fucking around with abyssal shit

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With "The Foul" we also know as a fact that the power shared between the Sinners wasn't some kind of internal project of the dynasty, as "The Foul" was seen as a pariah by the authorities

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Another thing that we have to note is that it is pretty much confirmed that he was on a first name basis with Vedrfolnir. By now it is pretty strongly established that anyone who didn't get a ring by Vedrfolnir was warped by the erosion a long time ago. And it's a bit of a stretch to say that Tsaritsna would've been able to carry out abysal manipulation

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It is either

  1. He got a ring by Vedrfolnir
    2)Vedrfolnir ain't shit and he just kinda figured it out
  2. Tsaritsna did it through literal deux ex bullshit
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I dunno; we have absolutely no lore on 2 of the Sinners; Hroaptatyr and Rerir.

Rerir is literally called the "lunar avenger" in some translations so I'm pretty sure he'll turn up in Nod Krai, possibly as the leader of the Lightkeepers. While Hroaptatyr has no lore, but what we do have is an inexplicably erosion resistant Khaenri'ah who used to be a big deal until his fall of grace, whose current title is Fool instead of Sage, and seems to know a lot about stuff like forbidden knowledge

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Catagorically incorrect. Hard lore on the fact that he thought the crimson moon dynastry was dead and buried before he ran into Arle

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And we already know that you can simply turn abyssal energy into elemental energy using the Seven Serpent technique

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What I mean to say is that Rerir could simply create a fake vision like Venti did and pretend he just suffers from Abyssal corruption from fighting with the Wild Hunt, while using the Seven Serpent Technique to immitate elemental energy

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What I mean to say is that hiding this fact is really not that hard

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he does if he wants to lead an abyss containment organisation you just rebuked my theory on this basis

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....so your earlier point is moot?

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That he couldn't be affiliated with the Lightbringers because they are an anti-abyss organisation and he is an abyss powered demi-god who would be accepted anywhere.

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Unless he said "Yooo the Abyss fuggin sucks dude look at what it did to me. Squad up with me so we can dunk on the Wild Hunt and prevent what happened to me from happening to you". Again, he can just lie, which would set up some good mystery when dealing with the organisation

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It would also mean that there would actually be a decent foil for Columbina/Dottore. Nicole wouldn't want to break the de facto neutrality of the Hexencirkle, and Arle was capable of simply disconnecting us for the server as a flex after holding us back in a 4v1 so I don't think they're gonna have the Traveller roll up and rock Columbina's/Dottores shit. Voynich won't try shit, the Treasure Hunters ain't shit. Varka isn't going to declare war and made that much clear, and I don't think the Frost Fairies will show up as a real aggressive force, more like a defensive third party

They need something that is an actual threat. Something that can rock their shit right back

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They are neutral relative to Teyvat politics

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How so, they seem to be treated as some kind of natural force whose bullshit you just kinda have to put up with, but isn't outwardly malice or warranting of aggression

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I think the plot structure of Nod Krai will be Lightbringers are "our guys" with the Knights and Frost Faeries as supporting parties. Voynich would be a deuteragonist faction acting as information brokers and mcGuffin salesmen, the Wild Hunt acting like a natural disaster, disrupting all parties, and the Fatui will this time again be the out-and-out antagonist party until it gets schismed near the end of the Nod Krai plotline

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Lore leaks are bullshit until proven otherwise

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Why would you assume that the Fatui isn't the antagonist faction?

It is implied we'll face:

Dottore, Mengele's greatest fanboy and brainwashing enthousiast
Colombina, described by Wanderer and Childe as absolutely unstable and schizoidal
Sandrone, who is described as having a terrible personality and whose sole interaction with the Traveller was most likely a "sorry, my bad" note left with a former pawn she cut the tongue out from and mindbroke

The 3 Fatui who are just seen as completely psychotic and they seem to be forming a bloc this time around

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And do a little trolling

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I still can't get over how fucking baller that intro was for Dottore

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That is just the biggest "you ain't shit" I've ever seen

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"Oh there is a guy here who completely derailed the last 2 plots my subordinates set up and is aligned to screw with mine"

"Imma just convince anyone he is the best thing since sliced bread just because I can. Should let him know I mean business"

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My brother in christ he is into Mengele-tier human experimentation what do you mean

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to weaponize it instead

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He framed a man for murder

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Just to turn Scara into a misanthrope

dusk cypress
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Stealing this

limber yarrow
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he tried to put Nahida into solitary

ember beacon
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Neuvi will get a skin.

limber yarrow
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Recalling this reminds me of how much of a fucking rollercoaster Sumeru was

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And recalling that reminds me about how peak the writing of Fontaine was

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Honestly, Natlan has been kinda lacking with how hard the previous 2 regions went

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The SQ's honestly are pathetic compared with how absurdly good Fontaine SQ's were

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Not Sumeru SQ's. Those were dogwater and I've forgotten about almost all of them

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But Neuv's, Lyney's, Furina's and Wrio's story quest had no right to be that good

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limber yarrow
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They just didn't hit the emotional highs like Fontaine's did

ember beacon
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Arlecchino one was a disaster for traveler fans

limber yarrow
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Arle was great setup, fantastic launch and terrible landing

ember beacon
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I haven't played Emilie and Sigewinne, but it's probably a nothingburger

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limber yarrow
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Oh yeah, Emy, Siggy and Clorine were mid at best. It is just Neuv, Lyney, Wrio and Furina that were just uncontested god-tier

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Especially Neuv and Furina

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limber yarrow
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They just beautifully brought forward their tragedyes

limber yarrow
# limber yarrow Arle was great setup, fantastic launch and terrible landing

Like, the intrigue setup was great, how it developed was great and really made sense for her character; a unique way of blending her uncompromising nature and the genuine love she feels towards her children.

But the battle was just bad. Literally, have it end in ANY OTHER WAY than just DDOSing the traveller

ember beacon
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PoF is a trope that will never leave Genshin, it has always been there since the beginning, idk why the hate for it only started in Natlan

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Mind you, it's been shoved down through our throat 4 nations before Fontaine, but people still like it on Fontaine

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PoF = Power of Friendship

limber yarrow
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It also just obliterates the setup because the entire point was that she wanted to permit herself an exception by fabricating a circumstance by which she would be pressed and put on the defensive in a way the other children could never hope to replicate. Which is kinda just gone if it turns out she could've booted up her Powershell at any moment and just DDOS her adversaries. She made it clear she was holding back, we weren't shit, and it was never even close.

So we didn't earn the exception she flagrantly handed it to us

ember beacon
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And even then Natlan isn't even the most PoF-ey nation, first is inazuma, second is sumeru

limber yarrow
# ember beacon PoF = Power of Friendship

The good story quests of Fontaine didn't have that at all.

Honestly, 50% of Fontaine treated the traveller as a bystander/moral support and somehow that just worked out better

limber yarrow
ember beacon
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I'm getting salty here.

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If you said the new AQ is good, then you don't deserve to say that.

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I hope Hoyo puts more shine on the mc like the new AQ, while not making the new region shine a bit too much

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'A bit too much'

limber yarrow
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The only genuinely superb character writing I've seen since then have been Capitano and Mavuika

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Whomever is leading the writing at Mihoyo does tragedy and nostalgia really well

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limber yarrow
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It means everything in the plot was already acting on its momentum, and if you tried to stop it you'd just get crushed by it. We weren't altering the plot, we were just uncovering it

dusk cypress
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Rather than “Power of Friendship”

It’s really more apt that it’s a “Power of Collective/Wills” that’s the recurring theme

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In line with what the gnoses constitute and the role of a descender ‘gathering’ these wills

limber yarrow
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Furina was also just chef's kiss, honestly

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Such a fantastic turnaround from a hate-able character to a beloved tragic figure

dusk cypress
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I never found Furina that hate-able. Even from the start you could always tell sth was “off” about her, which made it more fascinating to see how she was unraveled.

limber yarrow
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Also, still the best Protag-Archon introduction so far

"I challenge you to a duel"
"OHHH YEAH YOUS BOUT TO BE THE GODESS OF CATCHING THESE HANDS LETS GOOOO"
"OHSHITWAIT"

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She was set up as a pretentious blowhard who was running the country into the ground for her own amusement

ember beacon
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Event lore humanizes them too you know, but for this year, I don't see more requests about the Natlan film event in Natlan itself to be permanent, people only want Lantern Rite lore to be permanent, even though the Natlan event humanizes the Natlan characters

limber yarrow
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Everyone called her Fraudina, and in 4.0 and 4.1 was was genuinely just obnoxious in the plot

dusk cypress
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She was set up as someone who was actually trying to save face for sth she was lacking from the getgo. But that was the point.

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dusk cypress
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JJK was a mistake

limber yarrow
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It was clear there was something wrong with her, but it was difficult to believe that the underlying tragedy could absolve her sins.

And then they hit you with the "500 years of pretense and solitude" twist with delivery that would make Shakespear envious

ember beacon
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I hope an event that develops Clorinde and another event that develops Natlan characters will appear

limber yarrow
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They skillfully made you pine for her downfall and then absolutely crushed you for being part of her tragedy

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limber yarrow
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I don't hate Natlan characters. I just think all of them but Mavuika are kinda bland and tropey

ember beacon
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I think he meant the other characters than Mavu

limber yarrow
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Again, Mihoyo is kinda awful in writing happy characters or comical characters. Great at writing tragic characters though

ember beacon
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What is wrong with writing a character to be happy without any reason?

limber yarrow
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Raiden remains a fumble.

Her 500 years of solitude was poorly characterized at best and written off as a prolonged nap at best
And her personality post awakening is just Ayaka, but with a frowning face

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limber yarrow
limber yarrow
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Is also difficult to do right, and will often veer into unintentional comedy or self-sabotage

dusk cypress
# limber yarrow It was clear there was something wrong with her, but it was difficult to believe...

What sins are there to absolve? The only things you could actually fault her for is silly laws that would get you prosecuted for either eating her cake or bringing out a floating object without a leash in a certain part of the month.

You could perhaps make a point in how she tried to prosecute Lyney for murder, but this wasn’t driven by her doing it out of any bad intent despite the airs she puts up.

She was also as “defensive” as she was in 4.1 bc she had actually exhausted every single resource to find alternative ways to save for some from the prophecy to the point that only her faith was sth she could fall back on. She’s not responsible for the unprecedented loss of lives that happened up to that point at all.

limber yarrow
dusk cypress
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So in hindsight loses a lot of focus/weight

limber yarrow
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I mean, it was kinda the case

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She still did not use her institutional authority with any level of competence. Her rule was still disastrous, even if she was set up from the get go as a strawman

dusk cypress
# limber yarrow I mean, it was kinda the case

From an every man’s perspective, yes.

But the only real pressing issues Fontaine was having then was synth crimes/smuggling (which you could only do so much against with how crafty they were getting) and living conditions in certain sections of Fontaine like Fleuve Cendre.

Furina is a gril that had to be tossed into Fontaine’s lap but not with the qualifications of being a “good leader” despite how much she was separately trying to help it. Which is also is different from any “sins” she can be held accountable for.

limber yarrow
limber yarrow
dusk cypress
# limber yarrow I mean, in all fairness, most people tend to at least become passable at a job t...

Well, Furina lacked any competent support system too even within her courts. She had to be presented as someone who had her shit together when she actually didn’t. Her full focus had always been on dealing the prophecy besides this. Even with someone like Neuvillete as her “right hand man” he was just an appointed judge/magistrate.

There are some things I would agree one could reasonably hold Furina accountable for, but not entirely. It’s stuff that extends to how flawed the basis of Fontaine’s justice system and policies were already set up at that time.
That were out of Furina’s control, nor could she influence without potentially disastrous results.

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ember beacon
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I haven't played the game in awhile, so idk

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Dottore will also appear alongside a 4th harbinger

hasty narwhal
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I thought all harbingers were going to be present since it's the project something

ember beacon
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6.0... should we expect a free 5* limited like its little sister games?

ember beacon
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That always will be there

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Why not?

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6.0 COULD have anniversary gifts better than Natlan one

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Because everyone has the same character?

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Isn't that... what the majority would want?

tawdry blade
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Also the enemy was ass

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Those beast

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Probably same

hasty narwhal
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my man

tawdry blade
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From Inef weapon lore,sound like we will be collecting 7 moon shards( item, holder) in NodKrai

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Inef has one in her body

tawdry blade
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That was an era that even the most learned poets today could not touch with their lips and tongues. At that time, most of the ancient species with long lifespans were still wild beasts with chaos in their eyes. The master who once ruled the whole world had already used his claws to rub the white floating land in the sky - trying to pursue the king from the outside world to raise the empty moon to exercise the power of circulation on his behalf.

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After resurrection, she always felt that the trivial memories of that time were like the lost wisdom of the past. Not very real, just a thought that flashed in a trance. She once followed the master of the light flame to visit the jade thrones of the wills living in the moon on three planes. At that time, the throne was empty, the sky was cast in a haze, and the dragon masters acted as they pleased. The master of the light flame once hoped to find the traces of the black king who had disappeared from them, but the answer he got was only the three palaces, which turned into three layers of silence. Since then, even if the snowfields of thousands of miles turned into scorched earth and the Flame Mountain was frozen by extreme cold, they never spoke again, or they couldn't. Yes, that was the era when three was still three. The plunderers above the sky took their oath to make the world run instead of the original creator, but unfortunately, when the king who was stained by the dark world returned, he was furious. Because of this, when the master of the light responded to the call of the black king and woke up from his suspended death, he cut off the lords and the regent from exploring the starry sky and simulating the great miracle of moon creation. But did the goddesses of the jade crown really betray the kingdom of the dragonborn so easily? Unfortunately, those who can give the answer did not survive the war. "These are the scenes I can vaguely remember." Facing the girl who reshaped her body and made this weapon for her, she said so. But the girl was much smarter than expected, and because of this smartness, she put away her inquiring look.
After that, it was her own secret. On the day when the circumference of the sky was broken, the jade plate fell.

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All the dragons cheered cruelly for the death of the moon that had betrayed them, but she remembered,
the silent silhouettes in the
At this time, the cavity in the center of the rotating blade mechanism,
where no one else knows, has been preserved to this day. palace of the universe, and quietly hid a piece of the moon debris that fell in front of her.

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Only CN is available so the translation is bad

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Master of Light is Pyro Sovereign

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Original Creator is PO

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Tldr for some of these
Ineffa has gone to the Moons. With Xiuhcoatl.

The Dragons tried to make their own moon.

They were lifting it past the firmanent

Ineffa has a small piece of the moon inside her core.

The dragons were happy when the 3 moons fell cause they betrayed them.

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If the moons were necessary for the world to run then it make sense

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So NodKrai will make their own mini moon with Columbina as the controller C_TaoHehe

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Hm,I think fake sky is just his power, similar to his barrier

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I think so,other continent wasn't affected for some reason

tawdry blade
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So something happened to electro authority/throne

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So ei also technically kind of succeed in fighting against Celestia?

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Like Focalor

tawdry blade
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But the vision hunt was because she is against Celestia

tawdry blade
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So we will go to the real mare Jivari in another year

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I guess it is understandable A_HuTaoShrug put it in NodKrai patch will be more hype

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Also the possibility of Enjou playable A_ThinkTao

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The April fool post might not be a joke C_HuPepeSmile

distant citrus
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Mavuika still doesn't have her second story quest so the real mare jivari might happen next time with her quest

distant citrus
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Ineffa weapon en version is out on homdgcat some interesting stuff there

  • The dragon king before leaving teyvat created the three moons and gave them duty to guide the cycle of teyvat in his stead

  • some time later pyro sovereign along with ineffa goes to these 3 lunar thrones to ask about the whereabouts of Vinster king aka Nibelung but the moon sisters don't respond

  • Finally when Nibelung returns and start war of vengeance the moon sisters become the casualties and the dragons thinking they betrayed them celebrate their death

  • some fragments of these moon got hidden then one of which is inside ineffa

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Also if this vinster king is the same as khanerrian one then that also means irmin is directly related to Nibelung
Which should explain why the previous dynasty that worshiped crimson moon got annihilated by irmin cause he hates the moon who betrayed him..

distant citrus
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It's an assumption for now that they indeed betrayed the dragons
As we know when pyro sovereign visited the three jade thrones none responded
The moon goddesses silence was assumed as betrayal by the dragons
It's likely they didn't betray or maybe they did we'll have to wait for further lore revelation

limber yarrow
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With the new lore drop, I'll once again double down:

Pierro is Hroptatyr. With his title of "Fool" being a disavowal of the title "The Wise" that Khaenrians bestowed upon him

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I'm also pretty certain that we see him with the very first Delusion, implying the Delusions essentially work on the principles of the Seven Serpent art. That or he just carried a big glowy cyan stone on him during the fall

limber yarrow
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The Foul was a detested, crippled outcast who mostly spend his time dabbing on the greatest warriors in Irmin's court, while the Visionary is explicitly said to be his prisoner and to have been blinded in both eyes at Irmins command. The only Sinner we know for a fact had a good relation with the king was Rhinnedotir. As far as their motives are concerned, the extrapolation that all sinners are chasing perfection is unnecessary. Skirk was only referencing 3 of them and it were most likely the 3 whose pasts have already been mostly uncovered, with all 3 of them becoming some kind of deific figure respectively (Rhinnedotir usurping a shade, the Visionary becoming a force of nature that is apperantly capable of producing prophesies anywhere he pleases, and the Foul becoming essentially a god of martial prowess, conquering the space between worlds for the hell of it).

The only thing we explicitly know is true about all the Sinners is that they eventually banded together with Dainsleif to stop the king, and that all but Dainsleif abandoned their goal to rescue Khaenri'ah instead taking up new objectives upon getting and divvying up the power of the Abyss, which caused Ronova to come down and curse them. which would also explain Pierro being at the scene when she touches down.

Is it such a stretch that upon fully understanding the corruptive force that his civilization had been irresponsibly proliferating, Pierro just wrote off any chance to still save Khaenri'ah and just moved on to getting his revenge on the Heavenly Principles. Is it such a stretch either to state that Delusions are essentially just Seven-Shifted Serpent devices that are powered with godly remains. Yes, Pierro hates the Abyss because its power saw him fall from grace and his nation eventually destroyed, but I don't feel like that should be a compelling enough argument on its own to prevent him from using it as a tool

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Another very important plot detail to keep in mind;

There would presently be zero cause for any antipathy between Dainsleif and the Fatui. Which is a problem for when plotlines all converge, narratively speaking

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Narratively speaking, the way the Fatui plotline is being directed would see there be a compelling argument for us to side with the Tsaritsna. So we need a narrative counterweight, and its pretty clear who that will be. This was strongly implied with the very first story trailer

So what reason would Dainsleif have to oppose the Fatui, the ones rebelling against the force that destroyed his home country? A very easy and obvious way to generate the conflict would be to make the second in command of the faction someone he has completely disavowed

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I for one think it would be a great narrative flourish for Dainsleif to reveal that the Fatui, for all their talk of being against the Abyss, actually use abyssal energies as a vital part of their military capabilities

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Again, narratively it works out the best if these 2 had some kind of volatile history

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My dude, the Sinners cannot die. We literally just had a story quest about Dainsleif crashing out and packing up a former Khaenri'an a hundred times

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And again, narratively speaking that doesn't really work. Because eventually we'll have to tie Dainsleif, the Twin, the Shades and the Tsaritsa together in a way that is satisfying. And that simply works better if you give all parties a history with one another

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Currently the missing link is Dain and the Fatui

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That is what I'm saying; overarching plotlines are bound to converge

drowsy pawn
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i mean we don't know what project stuzha is do we

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It could be what they think it is

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yeah but that's dottore

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stuzha is tsaritsa

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Each harbinger has their own agenda, doesn't mean it aligns with the cryo archon's

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where do the gnosis tie in then?

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Hmm

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what if third? Second? Descender reincarnation

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since the gnosis was made from them

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huh

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true she could end up having a serving battle with HP and win with her insane aura

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hmm

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too bad it's not one piece of media but italian theatre, or I'd actually consume it

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Just for genshin impact lore

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insane to think about

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what

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context

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isn't Remus the founder of rome

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oh damn even mirrors real remus

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kind of

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Damn i forgot about it

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All i know is there are multiple versions of how he died

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significant as in lore?

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After arriving back in the area of the seven hills, they disagreed about the hill upon which to build. Romulus preferred the Palatine Hill, above the Lupercal; Remus preferred the Aventine Hill. When they could not resolve the dispute, they agreed to seek the gods' approval through a contest of augury. Remus saw 6 auspicious birds, but Romulus saw 12 and claimed to have won divine approval. They disputed the result; Remus insulted Romulus' new city and was killed, either by Romulus or by one of his supporters

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omg you read pjo?

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truly the grecoroman introduction to kids worldwide

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should've done so earlier

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i labored through after

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well you got to the point where it starts getting good

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apollo is the only dull narrator

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Rest is good

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I think it's his being a god

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He feels detached

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Which is excellent writing if it was intentional

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But could've been made interesting for readers

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Lmao

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He did start introducing a bit mature ™ topics but

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middle school series

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what kind of media consumer are you

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Magnus was amazing

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do you consume only the media, media + art, or also go to fanfiction

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i wanna reread artemis fowl

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i read it when i was kid so i wanna re read and see exactly how much i actually understood back then

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You have excellent taste

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what

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why couldn't it be my school

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(mine had narnia)

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I still haven't read Narnia

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No no, i had a compulsory narnia assignment

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And a decade later, i still haven't read it

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i wanna read lotr

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Well it was only the first book but

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I don't remember it's name A_GaspTao

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I tried reading game of thrones

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it was too much for my baby brain

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after that i never found book 1 in the library again

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4 years, the entirety of covid, 2 libraries, and got#1 was ALWAYS issued to someone else

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It was before it 💔

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I did dabble around fan theories in pjo fandom, but i truly got into theorising for genshin and once upon a broken heart, i think

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I got semi popular on Tumblr

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Then abandoned account

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It's a trilogy

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Caraval sequel?

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it's a rofan, from Stephanie Garber

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too long i just get tired thinking of that long a pdf

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(i have read three 700k word fanfics back to back)

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Oh romance fantasy

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oh hey can you

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gimme

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star wars or star trek?

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it's not SUPER popular like throne of glass or The folk of the air, but it's popular on insta too

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One sec

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Okay mom called me A_WheezeTao

Anyways which one of them has more filler/slower scenes?

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I wanna watch, but i can never decide which one

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Oookkaayyy you are decidedly not in the romance/fantasy genre

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because those two are literally THE most popular ones

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You should read the folk of the air actually

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It's less romance more fantasy politics

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brilliant trilogy

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rip

drowsy pawn
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Do you like marvel

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specifically trauma and buckanen james barnes

drowsy pawn
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Oh

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Right

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It's a trilogy with a sequel that's a duology

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Well i was trying to intrest you into a pjo x marvel percy/bucky crossover

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That doesn't disrespect percabeth

drowsy pawn
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sadge

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the fic is real good

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No, as in making either of them jealous exes (usually annie), or saying percabeth did nothing for each other, or like ruining their entire dynamic outside of their relationship etcetc

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shipping with others isn't a disrespect to the ship ofc

drowsy pawn
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Yeah

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start from the second one, that's the one that was posted firdt

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or you could go in chronological order

ember beacon
ember beacon
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I mean, Columbina's scene has flowers and I thought it would be 6.4

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Also, The Sea of Flowers At The End, when does this thing will show up

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I'm hoping it's the travail place

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Or maybe make it like Frieren

distant citrus
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New area every patch? Definitely questionable leak...

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Or are they really going hsr Amphoreus route

tawdry blade
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What do they mean another lol, Istaroth is Istaroth

ember beacon
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It's sus, but it's true, it's just that the order is not what it said

ember beacon
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Tsaritsa's back lol

ember beacon
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Oh fuck, Mare Jivari.

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What does spice level meannnnn

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Be ready for FatuiHQ's roar.

tawdry blade
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Lol

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So columbina will be the 5th must have support character

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Im her fan but never the fatui so I could not careless if she is basically ayaka 2 but more reliable

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Also, why is lumine spice so high

ember beacon
tawdry blade
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Who was that

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I think spice just mean affection tbh

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It is romance for outsider but not family member

ember beacon
drowsy pawn
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mamoru miyano?

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PLEASE be varka my spending plans cannot afford another character 😭

hasty narwhal
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we already heard Varka and it's Sugita Tomokazu

drowsy pawn
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ohh noooo 6.x is helllll

limber yarrow
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If the recent story leak and the info about Delusions working on the principles of the Seven Shifting Serpents is true I'm once again doubling down on "The Jester used to be the Wise". And he really fell out of favor because of his alarmism; which is why he took the title of "Jester"; the only man who dares to say truths to the king within his court

But it's pretty obvious that Pierro wasn't some kind of fuckup but instead the man who figured out how create syntethic copies of visions using the Abyss

ember beacon
ember beacon
short hare
tawdry blade
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Some leak said her skill name would be "song of the welkin moon" will she be the first music based character A_ThinkTao

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She hum in every scene

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Oh forgot about her

hasty narwhal
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also technically xilonen

tawdry blade
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Nah

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She used her skate

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Barbara attack have music notes

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CA Atk atleast

hasty narwhal
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idk blasting sounds in her ult wiith a dj table screams pretty music to me

dusky ore
tawdry blade
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NodKrai look so grey,I guess it make sense because it is from the 4th moon

tawdry blade
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I am preferring to the leak ||the core is from dragon authority/archon mastery while the shell is part of their soul,the vision case look different probably because their soul are attached to a certain region||

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I was gonna post in lore basement but eh

distant citrus
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Isn't vision related to souls part still a blur... It has something to do with soul but how it's still not clear no?

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At least that's what I get from ineffa story moon wheel

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Also it mentions niflheim is that supposed to be pre cursor to khaneriah...

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Niflheim it's the place where moon wheel was created supposedly

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Probably a precursor civilisation to khaneriah if I had to guess

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Or maybe precursor to nod krai and not khaneriah
Actually nod krai makes more sense

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The moon worshipper would have something to do with moon wheel...makes sense

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Ineffa moon wheel story
The same place where vision being created from soul stuff is mentioned

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Apparently people of niflheim were also researching wishes

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Yeah related to moon worshipper as I said
Precursor to nodkrai

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"Moon Wheel" (one of Niflheim's ritual items — or, to be more accurate, a plaything given by the traitors to their human followers, allowing them to communicate)
This statement strikes me though
Sounds like dragons who lived in niflheim created moon wheel and then gave them to their human subjects so they can communicate
Which would make sense why the word traitor is used

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So it looks like niflheim was inhabitated by dragons at the time

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Yeah could be although the one saying all this is also a traitors and a dragon so A_HuTaoShrug

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So visions are supposedly made from stuff of souls and somehow fixed to the wishes while also borrowing from the thrones authority...
So I guess anytime a human with ambition subconsciously decides to trade part of their souls? they manifest the vision then

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Or something along the line I think

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From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still.

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The gift Gods receive is now I think the souls of the humans who wished for vision

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So humans exchange part of their soul and archons being duty bound give their part of authority as vision to humans

scarlet horizon
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is this real wtf

tawdry blade
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Lvl 30 artifact A_BigBrainTao

drowsy pawn
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wait increased cap ison level?

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not capacity A_HuTaoStareIntense

tawdry blade
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Oh,it is resin not artifact,what was I thinking

river jackal
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ig they were saving rerir for a big reveal

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too bad

tawdry blade
#

Rerir is counter/opposite of which shade again

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This make it even more clear Hexenzirkel is like HP friend

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Dam,I wonder if he will be the weekly, Dottore weekly 100% is for later(Irminsul burning attempt)

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The banner?

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That doesn't look like a tcg card though

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Are they? The style are way too different

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I will check support card

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Hmm,the design was strange to me

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The frame I mean

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I heard these are from IT new difficulty

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This place look like where Bina was

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She might be inside that thing

pastel gazelle
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HUHHHHHHH

inland compass
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Another male in my genshin impact?

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Ayo

pastel gazelle
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wait

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is that not one of the 5 sinners

final oracle
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?????????????????

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why are we getting a sinner

frank wigeon
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That’s columbina tho

tawdry blade
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Ye

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I only see Rhinedottir playable

frank wigeon
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Perhaps

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If you put this in natlan perspective

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Columbina is mavuika

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Alice is skirk

tawdry blade
#

Rerir ,a moon eater support a moon goddess?C_TaoHehe

frank wigeon
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This is sort of confirmed internally

scarlet panther
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rerir might be the region's playable enemy / harbinger role

frank wigeon
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Sinners are shade level

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Does that mean gold is playable???

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Or well no cause she’s a sinner shade hexenzirkel member

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What faction would she even be

long crest
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we dunno if sinners are equal level to eachother

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highly likely they arent

frank wigeon
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Dain ain’t a sinner

long crest
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surtalogi literally just left the planet because he's so strong

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rhinedottir ate a shade

frank wigeon
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If I’d rank them I’d say
1: Gold
2: Surtalogi
3: vedrfolnir

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Rhinedottirs the strongest cause she was a hexenzirkel member so she alr had archon levels of strength

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Then split the abyss power

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Then also became a shade

tawdry blade
#

Anyway, this is just the same as Dottore during Sumeru,his playability are still unknown but high chance he won't be playable, atleast the original body

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But Bina is leaked to be a support herself so

frank wigeon
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Honey her dedicated support is durin

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Durin is big xiangling

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So a hydro unit

#

Who as a person from nod krai

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Specialized in hydro based reactions

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Best reaction for hydro units is vape

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Lunar vape for her

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Who’s durin

#

Big xiangling

tawdry blade
#

Considering new lunar reaction,I can't imagine her being generic vaporize dps

frank wigeon
#

Ragebait goes hard

#

Source???

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Alice is the new pyro Dps

#

He doesn’t need to trigger it

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Columbina will

#

Well according to latest leaks and hoyos internal database

#

The best units of 6.x are columbina and Alice

tawdry blade
#

Anyway,Bina have to be a support who enable all lunar reaction, since all lunar so far need hydro

frank wigeon
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Both with the highest Dps potential

tawdry blade
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She could be lunar reaction buffer

frank wigeon
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Second best are durin and Nicole great supports

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Durin for bina and Nicole for Alice

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Third are flins, lauma, Nefer and varka

tawdry blade
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Well,if she buff lunar reaction,she also buff her own dmg overall

frank wigeon
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Maybe cause they aren’t on their level?

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Rerir could be varesa level in dmg

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Still durin and Nicole are the xilonen/escoffier of the region

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Rerir could be like Citlali

tawdry blade
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No thanks

frank wigeon
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But still according to the very first roadmap

tawdry blade
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No more

frank wigeon
#

Ur theory

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Leaks say he’s a very meta support

tawdry blade
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No more because it was the only time

frank wigeon
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Also mondstadt units could buff lunar dmg

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We have 3

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MONDstadt

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Literally moon city

tawdry blade
#

Hm

#

Yes

#

It was also controversial

frank wigeon
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I do believe mondstadt units could utilize lunar reactions or moon power somehow

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Varkas going for the moon

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Mondstadt being their nations name

tawdry blade
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Dam,you must not use Internet a lot during that time then, because even the event was made for Mavuika and Citlali

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That event namecard

tawdry blade
frank wigeon
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Alice w Nicole for melt

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And for varka it’s js my theory cause he represents boreas who’s cryo and anemo

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And snezhnayas old name was hyperborea

long crest
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lore enjoyers rn

tawdry blade
#

The third namecard is interesting,so I guess it does have a purpose

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Definitely will use the first namecard

plain bison
analog merlin
#

No shots of world bosses?

tawdry blade
upbeat scarab
#

if i put nahidas signature weapon on lauma would that be fine

#

🤔

tawdry blade
upbeat scarab
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i thought since its not yet released info it would be best to ask here

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my bad

tawdry blade
#

TC channel and this is fine,not against the rule

upbeat scarab
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oh okay im glad

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this is the nahida weapon passive

tawdry blade
# upbeat scarab

Hm, it is not bad but lauma signature give more EM and increase dmg from bloom and others

upbeat scarab
#

so its an okay alternative

tawdry blade
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Yes

upbeat scarab
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okayy thank you so muchh

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:D

molten abyss
#

i just wanted to ask if this is real? does anyone know

#

if anyone answers please tag me

tight summit
#

By leakers

lone sable
#

holy tsundere

long crest
river jackal
#

i guess these are the cards we will get from new IT stuff?

tawdry blade
#

Yes

tawdry blade
#

I'm convinced she is somewhere here now

tawdry blade
#

Ye

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No

#

Artificial moon?

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Could you show

#

Also I think it is still in progress

#

Probably why they are harnessing Bina statue

#

Also about the part where they said the fatui pull down the moon in 5.8,what happened, because nothing really changed

#

Oh thsi

#

Fatui is repeating what the dragon triedE_pepelol

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I was thinking how they got the moon fragment but then again,the island itself were created from the dragon artificial moon

jade geyser
#

@ashen ocean whos that r______r and what's the myth behind them??

#

Yh first time i hear ab them

#

Oh yeah how could i forget Clueless

distant citrus
jade geyser
#

Honestly, i doubt we'll get any of the 5 sinners as playable units

#

Would be nice then

tawdry blade
#

His ||npc model is likely just a base for his future boss fight||

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Look like deathbringer in hzd

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I forgot this was spoiler channel,so there was no need to spoiler tagC_TaoHehe

tawdry blade
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Feel like those will be rerir design

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Like Surtalogi

distant citrus
#

It's interesting how moon disk are now introduced as lore piece for existence of lunar reactions

Also interesting is the fact that PO created not one but three different power sources for his continued ruling over teyvat...

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Gnosis

tawdry blade
#

I mean that Rerir will have a similar design

distant citrus
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Yeah although vision also take some parts of archon authority too

tawdry blade
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Appearing as an npc,in armor or whatever

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The divine throne which sealed sovereign authority take note and take the archon elemental mastery and gave it to someone

distant citrus
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Although one thing I'll say
We saw practical implementation for both moon disk and vision but for gnosis we still don't see it's proper usage..
The archon just kept it besides them and never used it's power as whole

tawdry blade
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The shell is determined by where they think it is their home

distant citrus
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Yeah I meant that vision used part of archon or more accurately thrones authority to channel the elemental power and in exchange the humans gave away part of their soul

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Huh I forgot all that stuff then lol

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It's still a mystery how vision tie up to the constellation and fate system though because ineffa character story didn't fully reveal stuff

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Just as with the ritual items of the north, this "Vision" is formed from the stuff of the soul. Theoretically speaking (...) is fixed through wishes, thereby borrowing (...) to call forth elemental power...
Is this why Visions have recently been appearing alongside human wishes?

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Here ritual item is moon disk

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Also see how vision being fixed to wish system is not properly written?

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They're not telling the full picture yet

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Borrowing....to call forth elemental power
I think we can fill this gap a bit though
Because we know vision takes archon authority so borrowing is here for archon authority

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Yeah her moon disk story

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Right so human give soul + archon give elemental authority+ mapping the fate of human to teyvat constellation

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That's just her race

#

Her people had fins behind their backs

#

I don't think she's related to dragons
It's just that her people had special affinity with abyss and thats exactly why they were killed
Skirk survived and mastered the abyssal powers

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Yeah

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It's because dragons are light realm creatures and since everything PO created was using the dragon creation as foundation you get teyvat being fucked by abyss just like dragon get fucked too

#

I want to see fae lore more now
They're the only one left without substantial info

#

Something tells me that fae ARE the Nephilim race

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"Actually, that shade symbolizes the dominant race of this world, the Nephilim. They were the children of gods and humans, and so their blood, too, was the conflux between the red blood of humanity and golden, divine blood"

Something tells me this God is just Angels and humans are the one from golden city

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Yeah exactly

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Most probably the moon scions are the descendants of original fae

#

Original fae were frozen by PO but who knows maybe some survived and fled

#

And they could be saved by moon sisters and that's why they worship them

sweet hinge
#

i havent finnish the story but i need spoilers why bennet's cons are on mare jivari

distant citrus
#

Moon sisters died later when nibelung returned

#

They were definitely alive during the fall of golden city

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How else would they help the survivors then

#

Okay two things here

  1. golden city was destroyed before Nibelung arrived and the word used here was blue crystal spikes this could be or could not be divine nails
  2. moon sisters only died during war of vengeance which happened after the golden city fell and seelie got cursed
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Where is this 30 days though I don't remember

#

It's from wiki right?
Let see the source then wait a sec

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Okay got the source

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the ancestor of the seelie met a traveler from afar, with whom they swore an oath of union witnessed by the three sisters of the Lunar Palace. Just thirty days later, a sudden disaster struck. The seelie and their lover fled into exile as the world collapsed around them, fleeing until the terrible calamity caught up with and seized them. Their cruel punishment was to be separated from each other for eternity and to have their memories wiped without a trace.

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So here the thing the disaster mention here is no where told that it's nibelung

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This disaster as we know is now that it's the rebelion and it's aftermath

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Aka the destruction of golden city and PO cursing angels

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It's not mention in the source though

#

Read volume 4

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This is the source

#

Yeah see how it's controversial? This is old lore you can't take it at face value especially when new lore contradict it

#

A lot in before sun and moon also doesn't make sense anymore

#

It's like half truth

#

The star of dawnbreak the one who moon sisters loved could mean nibelung since he created them

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And then the disaster that struck them could be the arrival of PO

#

Who took control of them

#

As I said new lore reveals new info

#

Ineffa weapon lore and finale of deep are more accurate than older lore

#

Hmm

#

30 day things dont make sense...

  1. nibelung created the moon sisters and left teyvat before the arrival of PO , this is confirmed in ineffa weapon lore

  2. when PO arrived he took control of moon sisters and faught the 7 sovereign
    This fight took 40 days acc to before sun and moon and then after their defeat another 400 years took for transforming teyvat
    Then started the unified civilization

  3. we all know again that it's towards the end of unified civilization that nibelung arrived and began war of vengeance

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Golden city existed within unified civilization and it's fall is also not because of nibelung but PO again this we know

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And it's only after fall of golden city that angles were cursed

#

So it makes sense that only after this nibelung arrives and begin war of vengeance which led to destruction of rest of unified civilization like enkanomiya

#

And again using ineffa weapon lore it's only after war of vengeance begin that moon sisters dies

distant citrus
#

Unless you were talking about something else and I just didn't get it then I apologize E_pepelol

#

My only issue is that okay tell me something

nibelung returns coincide with destruction of unified civilization correct?

#

Before sun and moon

#

It can't because voyager rebellion resulted in destruction of golden city by PO
Unified civilization got destroyed by abyss brought by nibelung
Two different things

#

Golden city was not destroyed by nibelung

#

So far no lore mention as such

#

Our seelie rebellon have two sources I think

  1. flower of paradise lost
  2. finale of deep
#

I agree that nibelung war and voyager rebellion happened close to each other
I'm just of the opinion that rebellion happened and it's aftermath happened and only then nibelung arrived and not before golden city got destroyed

#

I mean that's how final of deep tells it so can't do much about it

#

Look voyager is called a scribe right?
Maybe he just wasn't that powerful C_TaoHehe

#

In fact it doesn't mention nibelung return at all

#

Somehow nibelung return and his war and voyager rebellion just don't have accurate timeline so far

#

Don't remember much there

#

Maybe think of this way
the curse on angels was that they could no lo her fall in love or look into the eyes of others otherwise they would turn into seelies

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Maybe after golden ciry got destroyed and angels got cursed not every angel turned to seelie

#

After all not every angel fell in love

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Exiled not turned to seelie

#

Curse only takes effect if they fall in love

#

Now you know why goddess of flowers rejected deshret lol

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I guess when they reveal the real identity of 2nd and 3rd descender only them we'll know the proper timeline cause right now think are messy

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More like how rebellion is connected with nibelung return

long crest
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man... || bennett lore is sick ||

tawdry blade
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Is this gonna be used to shot down fatui moon

long crest
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That does not look big enough

distant citrus
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Really hope they're gonna be releasing new area every update then

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Yeah if map is going to be smaller than previous region then it should be that we get new areas every region as compensation

tawdry blade
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So Venti met Istaroth in Temple of Time and she gave him a fragment of her power,he later used that power to blow Mare Jivari off the timeline to prevent the corruption spreading out. Which led to many stories about it, Istaroth really is that powerful to just cut a land off its own timelineA_HuBlankie

tawdry blade
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Bakunawa not being under control may be because she took the consciousness of overpower beast A_ThinkTao

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Yeah,it ate part of Rhinedottir

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The paper

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When you investigate the hut

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Alr

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I think it is her art of Khemia, if Elynas statement is true that he was floating in the darkness until Rhinedottir bring him to life then Bakunawa might be the same,it is just that he is too over powerful unlike Elynas

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With authority of Life she wouldn't need to use abyss to create life

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Also that is already against the Celestia rule

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A_ThinkTao still what does he mean by "need the power of Bakunawa to find the real Mare Jivari"

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Are we gonna come back there and absorb Bakunawa or something C_TaoHehe

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Good thing she foreshadowed Nicole will explain to us

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Wait,I meant Venti

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Yeah,he said he doesn't know but stated someone else will tell us

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I don't think any of the Sinners know what is going tbh

long crest
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mondstadt rn

frank wigeon
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I get the feeling Furina sq2 has snth to do w new focalors tarot card

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I mean out of all archons they chose her

frank wigeon
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Yup

tawdry blade
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The tarot card is probably hoyo way of telling the lore of the past like how they promised for NodKrai

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With new information for lore enthusiasts who already know

tawdry blade
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What is the description

tawdry blade
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The lyrics of that area theme calling Columbina Little Dove

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Like her constellation

distant citrus
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Are frostmmoon scions also fae people? Or they're different somehow?

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So event weapon talk about secret Grove where the first angle still resides
Wonder if we get to see her in 6.0 then or this area would be locked for future then..

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Translation are rough man
I'll wait for official release...
Already got burned by "Vinster King" which turned out to be translation error and official version had no such word A_HuPensive

distant citrus
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Truly a shame we didn't get venti mavuika interaction A_HuPensive

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Venti zhongli forever I guess no other archon allowed C_TaoHehe

distant citrus
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Oh I only completed main story there wasn't any

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Was there optional dialogue or something I missed..

distant citrus
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I didn't start any world quest
I'll see later then
I did complete the main quest all 4 basically

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Venti talking about "time" was interesting
So simulanka mirroring teyvat is indeed more and more true now

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Venti basically took out the entire mare jivari off the "main story" and put it elsewhere

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I actually didn't do mare jivari quest yet

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Also according to venti mavuika has the power to seperate space basically similar to asmoday?
And venti has the power to manipulate history memories just like istaroth

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Mavuika opened the space to mare jivari where Bennett parents were stuck
And venti grabbed their memories and souls back to the world

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Yeah lite version of shades powers basically

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Yes because venti had cut off mare jivari 500 years ago from the mainland space dimension

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I'll do it a bit later and get back to you here then

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I mean in a way we already saw those red cubes of asmoday right? They're basically all seperate space dimension

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Mavuika basically just opened the "door" To enter one dimension from another

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C_TaoHehe alright I'll come back later

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Where do you find the quest though?

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Tete isle?

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Alright A_HuThumbsup

ember beacon
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A Turkish girl appears in a Finland mission, i'm not gonna lie

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Hint: she is a seller of all sorts of things

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Dori is a Turkish stereotype, at least that is what people complaining about seeing all sorts of bad stereotypes of Turkish on her

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Mr. Worldwide. Mr. Worldwide Mr. Worldwide Mr. Worldwide. or... Ms. Worldwide?

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If Childe is Mr. Worldwide for his trip to various nations, then Dori is Ms. Worldwide for her connections

long crest
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wtf did rhinedottir do to make bakunawa..

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do we actually know bakunawa is one of her creations?

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or could it just be something truly ancient that she revived or something

drowsy pawn
ember beacon
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Rhinedottir's name is from what country if we can trace it?

long crest
drowsy pawn
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yeah wiki also says it

ember beacon
drowsy pawn
ember beacon
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A Scandinavian girl makes a German clay human and dragon, the ancestor of French monsters, and now, a SE Asia monster lol

drowsy pawn
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why do rhinedottirs creations have a tendency to be harmful

ember beacon
drowsy pawn
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albedo is the only one i can think of that didn't do damage

ember beacon
drowsy pawn
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HE WHAT

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Oh so greek god

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true traveler

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How does one || transcend the authority of life ||

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what the fuck

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Okay i need to do this quest what the fyck

ember beacon
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I do wonder, is there a Rhinedottir's creation in Sumeru and Inazuma?

drowsy pawn
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Probably yes in inazuma

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we should make bakunawa our hulk when we fight against po/shades

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That's the point

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hulk is stronger

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well not against thanos but who cares about thanos

long crest
drowsy pawn
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That's not the movie we have a hulk came from

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I played that yeah

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I just didnt do enjoy quest yet

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Damn tf

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Wait that means we get more bakunawa lore when real mare jiwari time

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!!!!!

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im gonna soon

long crest
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the new area was good enough that i did all of it in like 4 days

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i never do that anymore

drowsy pawn
long crest
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i have almost all of the natlan volcano inside area unexplored

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wait

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you mean it was more of a symbiosis thing with them?

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i like the area from a fly-around-randomly stance, but not the puzzles

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my favourite parts to explore are oculi because they're not puzzles

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when i have to stop and think about rando mechanics i find it draining

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what kind of weird personality is durin even gonna have

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shy kid + evil dragon

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i didnt get that at all

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rhinedottir seems to be firmly in the driver's seat

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but naberius still acting as part of her subconscious, with limited authority on what's ok

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the unusually long pause when rhinedottir wants to literally usurp god is so funny

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naberius is like BRUH

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rhinedottir is then like.........ok fine i was just kidding

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this look is so funny

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"but mom it's MY turn as the heavenly principles!"

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it's less control and more failsafe

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we know rhinedottir can use her powers freely

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naberius nags her at the start when rhinedottir uses her powers to kill life randomly

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which means naberius did not stop her from using her powers that way before it happened

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yeah

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but it means that rhinedottir can do as she wishes with them, only getting verbal reprimands afterwards

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however

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whhen rhine literally thinks about USURPING GOD

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yes

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eating things gives knowledge and power yes

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specifically eating god things

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consecrated beast etc

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i saw the ashikai video on the subject and uh...it has a lot of good info

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mfw the emergency food joke about paimon ends up being how traveler ascends to the position of the heavenly principles 7 years later

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would be hell of a payoff tbh

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if paimon sacrifices herself at a moment when the traveler is about to die

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to supercharge them

frank wigeon
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NAHHHHHH

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PLSSS TELL ME NO ONE MISSED WHAT BARESA SAID

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WHEN SHE WAS BETWEEN MAVUIKA AND XILONEN

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AND MAVUIKA SAID THE WEATHERS HOT

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SHE BLUSHED AND SAID HOT AS A VOLCANO

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IJBOL

distant citrus
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@ashen ocean alright did the quest finally

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Ngl it didn't really answer the question about timeline...

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We still don't know why mare disappeared 20 years ago...

Venti says he blew mare jivari off the timeline to prevent further corruption by abyss 500 years ago..

But then we still dont know why wanderer troupe members got into mare jivari 1000 years ago... Why did mare appeared 1000 years ago then...

And while they did tell that abyss can cause temporal disruption is it really just that simple?

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Oh and I guess enjou was the lawawalker all along

tawdry blade
distant citrus
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Huh is that in leaks somewhere then? Although don't spoil for me

tawdry blade
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Not directly but he suggested someone else will tell us

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Which I suspect either Alice or Nicoles

distant citrus
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Yeah he did tell us someone will tell us in future
Didn't connect it with nod krai then

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They did say mare jivari is not over so

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Maybe when future expansion happens then we'll see

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Although next time I hope is fully voiced

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Seeing ororon side quest getting voiced but not world quest was...A_HuPensive

tawdry blade
distant citrus
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At least we got venessa tribe lore

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That could also be true

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But he has the same dialogue that was on lawawalker and the same flower he gave to traveler so I still think he's more likely lawawalker who maybe got some abyss corruption

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Like lawawalker was also a scholar

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Who wondered and disappeared when he went to mare jivari

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According to lawawalker lore he wondered 100 years after his disappeared into mare jivari
But that is just legend so most probably half truth

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The thing with bakunawa is that we're told he has otherworldly abyssal powers beyond the scope of gold's other creation
This power causes temporal distortion that's why time is so fucked in mare jivari

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And we don't know what abyss truly is so far

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Pyro archons also created that space where we found that throne to enter that area with that one fully grown part of bakunawa
Apparently they made it to contain the various parts of bakunawa so that even if he regrows he can't enter mainland natlan

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Sanhaj incribed phlogiston ritual inside tenoc body so when tenoc got ate up by bakunawa it allowed sanhaj to create mini night kingdom inside it's belly

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Then tenoc's spirit and Lord of the night explode it into pieces from inside

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But the power used allowed for some time to not let these pieces grow again
But after 500 years as we can see some pieces have begun to grow again into fully bakunawa again
At least we defeated one but here maybe others wo still remain

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Also it was just one space we entered where a part of bakunawa had grown enough

True mare jivari is till somewhere else

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Do you think they're going to continue this in nod krai with world quest format or we'll get seperate main story around it

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True
Although I doubt true mare jivari is inside it's belly
It already exploded into pieces even if those pieces regrow they'll still be within mare jivari itself

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Like bakunawa exist within mare jivari not the other way around

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And the entire mare jivari was cut off from the time by venti 500 years ago

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It's more like bakunawa is causing temporal disruption and making the place around itself get lost within timeline on top of venti doing his thing

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So you need bakunawa power to find that time where mare keeps vanishing or something

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Which I think enjou did before he left us

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Yeah he's a scholar and finding the secret to bending time itself is worth it for him

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I doubt it
The way his character is presented it's like he just wants his purpose back which he forgot or something

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He looks more similar to that one guy I forgot the name from elynas quest
Rene friend

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Yeah exactly jacob
Similar to jacob enjou also sounds like he has his own personal goal

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Like I don't think he wants to be part of any group so far he works for himself at least that's what I think anyway

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He is a scholar after all

#

We'll see i guess but just the way they've presented his character so far seems like he just wants to do his own thing

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Is there any lore about who the king was that banished the people of tenoczitoc or something?

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Or is that irrelevant info

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Wait was it ochkan?

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Enjou says there was a king who battled abyss I assume this is xbal
Then he says that the king who succeeded him was the one who banished tenoc people
Ochkan was the one who succeeded xbal
Hmm..

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Then one group aka venessa and her people fled to mondstad and other went to mare jivari

#

Yeah it's most probably ochkan

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Every stupid problem was his doing C_TaoHehe

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Yeah

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They added playable character into world quest for first time
I'm assuming this is what devs talked about

#

And future world quest would be similar

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Although they should add voiced lines too while they're at it

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Actually makes the world quest feel like it's part of the main story and not just some isolated lore dump

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Yeah that's what got me E_OMEGARAZOR

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I liked both the direction they've taken for main quest as well as world quest this patch
Hope they continue this for nod krai and don't just abandon it mid way

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5 star character quest will get absorbed into main quest
And 4 star can always get anecdot

Although I still want them to do at least some seperate character quest too.. Not every character will have their plot merged with main story

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maybe they'll really make it like amphoreus then

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Similar to ineffa quest where main story was combined with character quests basically

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Also the main story spans entire update cycle
So the main plot of amphoreus that started in 3.0 will end in 3.7

drowsy pawn
#

Leaks say we're getting both actually

drowsy pawn
#

they might add those stories into interludes or something

#

all i know is nod krai "story" is like hsr and that the area itself is small so it'll be peppered with other region expansions

distant citrus
#

Venti talking about "time" and how she started writing the "story" of teyvat...
If that isn't a subtle confirmation of simulanka mirroring teyvat I don't know what else is C_HuPepeSmile

tawdry blade
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It still doesn’t defy death especially when it can be killed and sealed,also Hoyo is not going to make a super overpower entity without some counter C_TaoHehe

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It think it is just not affected by the rule

#

But it can still die, experience time and so on

#

Also,it respawn every 3 days

#

You get a new note everytime

#

It stuck at 1 hp this time

#

I think it is possible traveler will put an end to this monster, similar to how traveler soul fragment penetrates skirk abyss shield and weakened her by a lot

#

It is just that Traveler have no way of using such power E_KEKpat

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My 14th pause to rest. I don't know whether it's day or night. There's no wind.
I thought I was going to die. The monster ate my left hand and chunked out my lower back. My medical supplies, I dropped Archon-knows-where, so there was no treating my wounds either...
But today, as it turns out, was my lucky day. I didn't expect to meet a man here. He calls himself Nocht, and he used a flower that blossomed among the ashes to stop my bleeding. He even warned me about getting close to the beasts, because they would eat even their own kind.
...
I asked him where he was from. He said he comes from a place called "Tenochtzitoc"...
But that's not his hometown. Strangely, he doesn't remember where he was born, but who am I to question him?
...
Nocht left without taking a rest. He said he was running out of time.
He warned me to head back before it was too late. Heh... With my body as it is now, it might be too late already.
I am prepared. I know this is my last adventure. I swear to use every last drop of blood in my body to uncover the secrets of this place, as sure as I am the Great Adventurer, Stanley.
...
Hans, so long as you make it back to Mondstadt safely, my efforts have not been in vain.
If a day should come when another member of the Guild returns here, I hope they can find the records I've left behind.
Ad astra abyssosque.

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My 24th pause to rest. I don't know whether it's day or night. There's no wind.

I saw more monsters today, seemingly of the same species. They resembled the one that almost devoured us, but there were larger ones and smaller ones. The largest of them all was the size of a small mountain.
...
I've never seen beasts as evil as these, but something about their scent is familiar. It reminds me... of when I was on Dragonspine.
...
Judging by the range of the monsters' activities, I'm starting to suspect that the place we went to earlier was not the center of the Mare as we previously thought, but merely somewhere along its edge. For all our efforts, we never even got close to the Mare's heart...
...
And something else happened today that I thought was strange, so I'm writing it down. I remember seeing a woman bandaging my wounds, but when I try to recall what she looked like, it's like my mind's eye is covered in ash. I can't make out any of the details...
The only thing I can remember is her name... "Nanas," or something, I think it was?
Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong. My head's starting to hurt, and I can't remember...

tawdry blade
#

If it can be brought to life,it can also be killed, while it may still be alive in the abyss realm somewhere after death,it still sort of dead until someone brought it back again

#

Ye

#

Wait for third note ig

#

I mean Rhinedottir brought it to life

#

Not that someone revive it

#

Yeah,but if it can be brought to life ,it can still die in some way

#

I don't think that is confirmed, because it is Enjou speculation

#

He is still unsure about Bakunawa

#

I don't remember abyss order saying anything about authority though,only that they don't understand how Bakunawa work

#

I guess it is where the abyss originated first if it was this corrupted

#

Make sense for a beast with insane abyss power

#

I still hold into my theory that Bakunawa can die though,the only way to true Mare Jivari

#

Ye

#

The abyss portal is somehow there,Traveler abyss power A_HutaoCheer

#

It's enjou

#

When he was there,he would tell you to jump into it

#

Since it is likely Twin will use Mare Jivari as a placeholder for New Khaenriah,I expect the order and Bakunawa to fight,or they will put more effort into researching Bakunawa

#

Also,would Bakunawa have a soulA_ThinkTao it would be a major weakness if it does

long crest
tawdry blade
#

If PO sealed off the ENTIRE planet,I wonder why the Dark Sea is left untouched

#

Well,it can be an exaggeration

#

Bakunawa's immortal body would be useless if the souls are destroyed, perhaps not completely but returned to where it belongs (Abyss)

#

This is if Genshin soul system works the same way like many games or story

#

His soul is from the abyss,I doubt she can do anything about it

long crest
#

weakest archon btw

tawdry blade
#

Still,the soul is the weakness if someone can counter it

#

Not confirmed though

#

We are just making speculation

#

C_TaoHehe I think Bakunawa has a soul

long crest
#

Bakunawa's response to literally everything

tawdry blade
#

Still,there are more characters to come,PO and Traveler(?) could possibly do something as a protagonist.

long crest
#

I'm more interested in the motives of "the reaver"

tawdry blade
#

Beside that, Bakunawa isn't really the biggest threat right now

long crest
#

So the dragonlord is straight up saying the HP's reason for even coming to Teyvat and putting the barrier around the planet was to "force humanity into their imposed order"?

tawdry blade
#

There was a war going on and PO likely focus on Nibelung

#

Shade are busy with the sovereign while PO with Nibelung

long crest
#

So it might not be true then?

tawdry blade
#

Mare Jivari was sent off the timeline,so not sure if we can figure this out

long crest
tawdry blade
#

Even Mare Jivari isn't within Irminsul,I think PO might not be aware

#

Or he was sleeping again

#

I think because of the timeline stuff , Irminsul cannot record it

#

It is still pretty easy to take down,now they just need to send it's limb outer space

#

Throw it in Honkai verse

long crest
#

so

#

what does "throw down the moon" even mean?

#

during ineffa quest

tawdry blade
#

Also I think the Shade don't solve the problem because they are not obligated to? I mean, realistically speaking,they could do my method,send it to another planet and let it do whatever A_HutaoCheer

long crest
#

ya but how tho

#

and also why isnt teyvat destroyed by now if that's what they did

tawdry blade
#

I think the moon piece is the same one from Natlan sky, which happened prior to Natlan act 4

#

Ye but it is missing the center part

long crest
#

yeah but likely bigger than multiple nations, if not all nations combined

tawdry blade
#

No,I mean that the center of the moon was gone before act4 ,so I suspect they pulled it down at some point before Mavuika punch the sky

long crest
#

here's what it looked like when Thanos pulled down moon fragments

tawdry blade
#

Off screen

long crest
#

so how arent we seeing literal chunks of teyvat destroyed

tawdry blade
#

My method is similar to theirs,put Bakunawa in a dead zone,while it limb is still trying to merge back

#

Yeah but that is just a single person's memories, an entire region is different

#

We will see in his third noteC_HuPepeSmile

#

If there is any

long crest
#

Istaroth writing Benny's story

tawdry blade
#

5 notes for 5 body parts of Bakunawa (amount of time defeated)

#

Hmm,there are only 2 in project amber

#

Oh nvm

#

It is just different name

#

My 34th pause to rest. I don't know whether it's day or night. There's no wind.
By the grace of Barbatos above, as I'm writing this very line, I can see one of the larger monsters devouring a member of its pack. It's happening in a plain just over yonder. This is a once-in-a-lifetime observation, so I need to record it.
Archons above... It's digested its kin in an instant. Now its body is bulging... No, it's expanding...
Oh, hell. It's looking this way. Did it see me? I have to g
(...The rest of the page is marred by corrosion...)

#

Is the monster Bakunawa but mini?

#

Rift hound don't have belly though

#

Yes

#

I think it is Bakunawa flesh growing into a form and devouring another,until it gets as big as the current Bakunawa we see,which is just another part of the actual Bakunawa

#

No,it is more like eating itself until it returns to the original form

#

Or anything with abyssal energy

#

I believe Mavuika,Venti and the Twin will play a role in reaching the true Mare Jivari,Enjou might also be important once he find what he seek

#

With how easy the Twin was able to collaborate with Lord Night,I won't be surprised Twin will also collaborate with the two archon

tawdry blade
#

Lord Night traded with the rebel leader which already put Natlan at risk regardless if Mavuika collaborated or not

#

The archons can benefit from this by no longer having to worry about Bakunawa and Venti being able to return all the soul back

hasty narwhal
#

Is it specific chara constellations or just random bs

sharp spoke
#

@ashen ocean what was that about luinda and her mom or whatever

#

founder of the flower feather clan

#

i think

#

lianca

#

lianca was the human child?

#

and her mom was the eleventh

#

?

#

or the eighth?

#

i dont remember

#

ic

#

ty

sharp spoke
#

@ashen ocean why did the eleventh split personality again

#

maybe i shoulda did this quest when i was less tired

#

damn this quest was lowkey confusing

#

so the bad eleventh was posing as the eighth to lure the good eleventh in and become reborn

tawdry blade
#

Easy breeze music is such a vibe

tawdry blade
#

Yeah,night music is always relaxing

tawdry blade
#

After reading everything in homdgcat

#

Moonsign isn't as bad as I thought

#

You get buff from non NodKrai characters based on their stat(HP for hydro and so on) ,hoyo also saying there will be other ways to increase moonsign

#

So you only need one NodKrai character and you can still get full buff

#

I assume you will unlock it after the story is finished

#

Basically global passive but f2p so no one can complain about it

#

Also Special Story Traveler Friendly Unit which is likely the abyss sibling,I wonder if it is fully functional AI or just Dainsleif

#

Traveler can transform into those special NodKrai spirit too,damn

tawdry blade
#

Kuuvuki or something,I could be wrong

#

The text makes it sound like you control them

tawdry blade
#

I think so

#

Kuuhenki

#

By switching forms, kuuhenki can roam near small patches of mist.

Be aware, kuuhenki in different forms are attracted to mists of different colors. If you switch forms to the same color as the mist, your movement will be impeded.

Small patches of mist will provide kuuhenki with kuuvahki energy. While in kuuhenki form, you can consume this energy to roam freely for a brief period.

#

A_ThinkTao probably an exploration mechanic like in Natlan,I won't read more spoiler for this mechanic because it is pretty interesting

#

It can also hack into Fatui ID scan thingy

#

Part of a world quest, don't know why the fuck we infiltrate Fatui HQ in a world quest instead of AQE_OMEGARAZOR

#

NodKrai have so many enemies,there are like 20 enemies in the fatui factionC_TaoHehe

#

4 for Frostmoon Scion, 2 Wild Hunt, 4 ancient moon Fungi or something, 3 unique local legends

#

Different ID so 🤔

#

Ye,it's world quest

#

Natlan finale wq is here too

#

It is event, reputation and world quest seem like

#

But we will probably only enter that moon room though

#

Or maybe this WQ will be voiced

#

I doubt that,but it would be nice if Lauma accompanied the player here

#

Ah right

tawdry blade
#

Last

#

I couldnt find more inproject amber

rose field
#

Anyone here who’s better at this than I am, may I have your help in getting this done for me so I can get the chests please? Is that ok?

tawdry blade
#

Nope

#

Just checked it out

#

Rerir army is probably what we are fighting, maybe he is after our ship?

#

Also ||2 invasion|| is cool

distant citrus
#

10 hrs quest is real...It can both be a good thing or bad depending on how hoyo executes the story
Hopefully it stays good

tawdry blade
#

It is probably long because of || 2 character story quests merged and the 2 invasions||

#

There are of course unrelated dialogue (chill dialogue) but I don't mind it,if things get serious quickly,it would feel forced

#

Also you would have to work around area puzzles and domain which is another reason

#

I would get side tracked easily thoughC_TaoHehe

#

I hope this isn't just a prop but a special enemy

#

For the invasion

#

Remind me of DeathBringer

#

Shit got me scared when I played in hard difficulty

#

Yes