・genshin-spoilers

[ashen ocean]

They were observing it all

They arent passive as we had believed

[wary parrot]

If the tsaritsa was an angel and said/did nothing for all those years but around the time of khaenriah she DID decide to do something, it could line up with it

[wary parrot]

They’re little bitches

[ashen ocean]

Nah

The weakest shade is still far stronger than any god

[frigid lily]

Because she was upset about what happened to Khaenri'ah?? Idk man. It doesn't have to be that deep. She's the goddess of love, she loves her people very much, her people got hurt with the cataclysm and that gave her reason to overturn Celesfia

[wary parrot]

They are imagine creating a false sky because they didn’t wanna deal with the bs that’s going on outside they’re like a teenager shut up in their room “DONT MENTION MY NAME”

[wary parrot]

A lot of the archons care for their people, but none went to the lengths she did (sort of, morax is a moot point ngl)

[frigid lily]

Yes, but like I said she's the Goddess of love

[ashen ocean]

It can be that
But having an angel openly rebel for the same reasons in a hail mary attempt to resolve it once and for all sounds more enticing

[frigid lily]

It sounds generic

[wary parrot]

Lowkey it does

[wary parrot]

It’s genshin though

[frigid lily]

Of course the goddess of love is an Angel

[ashen ocean]

Fair enough

[wary parrot]

Like maybe she’s serving the angel

[frigid lily]

I preferred my old Pyro Archon Angel theory

[wary parrot]

I was hoping they were a dragon….

Or rode a dragon at least

Like….

[ashen ocean]

I wished we would help and identify a candidate for the pyro archon and help them succeed

[frigid lily]

I was hoping they were better than Mavuika

[wary parrot]

I love Mavuika but like I remember one leak going “she rides a dragon” and I was so ready for it

[ashen ocean]

She technically does

[wary parrot]

Motorcycle is cool, too, I suppose but like come on I want a dragon

[ashen ocean]

Flamestrider has dragon motifs and flames all over

[frigid lily]

I hate Mavuika with all the passion in the world combined and doubled

[wary parrot]

This is too copium even for me

[ashen ocean]

Flamestrider grows a flaming dragon head for some of its moves

[wary parrot]

I relate to her too much, I don’t think I hate any archon

Wait nvm

https://tenor.com/view/signora-kicking-venti-gif-22067176

[ashen ocean]

greatest fraud in all of teyvat

Not even furina could match

[wary parrot]

“He’s got so much lore to him” yeah he’s a double agent I’m calling it now

[ashen ocean]

Do you have her

[wary parrot]

Yes I have her

I’m saving to c6 her I already have her LOL

I miss the Kokomi dragon theories too..

[wary parrot]

SOMEONE BRIGHTENED UP THE IMAGE IN THE WEB EVENT

https://x.com/Gacha_Zone/status/1898923025032196137

Gacha Zone (@Gacha_Zone) on X

NOD KRAI Genshin 6.0 Region first Image Teased via Web Event

#GenshinImpact #原神

X · Mar 10, 2025, 2:25 AM

the mountain shapes look similar to Fontaines though

[slender haven]

Now it's an eclipse huh?
Or at least that's what it looks like to me

[slender haven]

I was thinking Dragonspine lol

[wary parrot]

no, thats where a nail is

it just looks like that from afar but the circle area is a high rendered close up of what seems to be a nail

[slender haven]

Ok
Yeah I see it now

[wary parrot]

but I heard Nodkrai is next to Natlan

[slender haven]

Probably not

I don't even see where it would go

[wary parrot]

i wonder if the nail we see is foreshadowing to what will happen in Nodkrai

That would be a good set up for us going to Snezhnaya

[slender haven]

Maybe

[tawdry blade]

The nail look don't seem to be striking down though

If you look at the lower part,it look like it is fusing

Divine nail is weird because the lower part is always broken off?

I think we will see the full version of it in NodKrai

[ashen ocean]

It looks suspended

[tawdry blade]

Paimon will be the new moon god

I mean, imagine going to NodKrai and she got kidnapped because they think she is their god

[ashen ocean]

She wont be

The trifecta symbol is upside down

And has a dot

3 tries + the fourth

[tawdry blade]

But it would be interested twist that NodKrai arc is finding Paimon

[ashen ocean]

Paimon is the king god

Or demon

[ashen ocean]

Ifts

But we are defo getting paimon lore

[ashen ocean]

Would they use paimon to construct a new dragon sovereign of the moon ?

[ashen ocean]

And

[slender haven]

Can't wait for none of this to be acknowledged in Nod-Krai and having to wait another several years for more Paimon crumbs

[ashen ocean]

Sneznaya would finish paimon story

[slender haven]

The Fatui are going to be disbanded so Paimon will cease to exist because she can no longer be racist to them

[ashen ocean]

She will find khaenrians to be racist to

Or dragons

[slender haven]

Or just spend the rest of her life making fun of Furina

[ashen ocean]

Furina would EAT her alive

She is super sassy

[slender haven]

Good

[ashen ocean]

I dont mean literally

[slender haven]

Damn

[ashen ocean]

Its a description on stan twt

[slender haven]

Ok

[tawdry blade]

I might have nightmare about moon if we keep talking about it

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/khonshu-miau-uwu-gif-25977492

Lads does this look similar to the thtree moons

[hasty narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-25608859

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-moon-knight-marvel-marvel-celebrating-celebrate-gif-25315134

[tawdry blade]

Considering moon responsible for Ocean tide

Dang it hoyo

Moon will be the next copy paste version of Xiangling Copy paste

[wary parrot]

I like the “paimon is the new moon” theory

[ashen ocean]

She cant be sadly

The trifecta symbol for both however

Contrast greatly

[wary parrot]

oh damn what if paimon was the first angel

She’s got that halo that’s mentioned in the set

Has no memories, so it technically could be Celestia punished her

[wary parrot]

This could symbolize change in order

In her symbol, there’s a dot in the middle too

[ashen ocean]

theres the 3 + 1 theory

[ashen ocean]

impossible

[ashen ocean]

no horns

also, demon name

unless we get more angel names

we cant say for sure

[wary parrot]

It was a joke theory throwing at the wall LOL

[wary parrot]

Have there been any angel names

Someone had one no?

[ashen ocean]

idk
perhaps youhuacoultin is ?

[wary parrot]

I forgot who

[ashen ocean]

but not one god had an angel name thus far

[wary parrot]

Nah I remember something going around that one god had an angel name via leaks maybe? I forgot what though lemme see

Venti

Barbatos

It’s western mythology I think, so it depends on where the name originates maybe?

Which I mean isn’t it in mondstadt his statue or something says like “gates to the heavens”

[ashen ocean]

Yes, his statue (allegedly) reads gateway to celestia and points towards windrise

Where vanessa ascended to celestia

[tawdry blade]

Mondstadt lake is suspicious because of the darker color around

I used to not believe that it mean there is something down there but after many map I think I believe it now

[ashen ocean]

Mondsdadt was wildly reshaped by Venti too

so Old Mondsdadt likely looked far far different
the lake would not have existed
it could have had tall peaks (my baseless claim is they were home to anemo vishaps) (spiral abyss portal was situated on the tallest peak of Mondsdadt too)

[frigid lily]

Speaking of Mondstadt

Starfell lake

It was named that way because a star fell there a long time ago

And also there's the fact that the description of the anemo statue of the seven hints at the Traveler coming to Mondstadt

And lets not forget Venti's sussy introduction line

But regardless the Spiral Abyss is gonna become relevant now

[ashen ocean]

I wonder where the portal takes us

and which moon it is

[ashen ocean]

have you ever been to 12-3 ?

[frigid lily]

No

[ashen ocean]

hmm
have you seen that domain, and the moon in the background ?

for example

[frigid lily]

Yes

[ashen ocean]

do you recognise any symbols there to be similar to the first civilisation ones ?

[frigid lily]

No

[untold rain]

wait is this what the trifecta has been all along?

[ashen ocean]

Supposedly yes

The odd thing about paimon is

Her trifecta is completely different from the rest in the game

It is upside down with a dot in the middle

[mint flare]

Isn't hers upside down?

[ashen ocean]

With her name we can close the case on her being a creation of the heavenly principles

(If we take the demon name theory)

Paimon is the king of demons

[ashen ocean]

Yes

The melusines see traveller as a dragon that would eat the world and that paimon has a rope suspended from the heavens

Or something similar

Paimon refuses to enter the special room in Chasm that materialises the fears of everyone present

Most characters, including skirk, ronova, ajaw, ignore or seem to think her existence is very insignificant

[untold rain]

pretty sure there is some kind of curse or spell on paimon that makes everyone around her not question her existance

the only time this ever happened was in one of monas voice lines

[ashen ocean]

Hmm
How so

[ashen ocean]

But sinners, aliens should be exempt

[mint flare]

Guys

The green saurian

Is just

Yoshi

Like think about it

[ashen ocean]

Melusines were able to view her background at least partially

[mint flare]

Since we're talking about melusines

Remember "father's" heart?

[ashen ocean]

That is Elynas

[mint flare]

I forgot

Anyways

I found something like the heart somewhere underwater

I forgot where though😭

[ashen ocean]

That is Elynas’s heart

[mint flare]

I thought it was in merusea village

[ashen ocean]

Yes, it is not far off from there

[mint flare]

Or a very warm place or smth

Anyways I found another one like it somewhere else

But you had to destroy the roots

And it was blue

It might be something else's heart?

[untold rain]

several cases where NPCs ingame react to creatures they have never seen before, like that one quest in natlan with the blubber beast from fontaine

or yoimiya explaining what aranaras are to sayu in the recent event

yet no one reacts to paimon

quite literally the only one of her kind

we get the occasional NPC call her fairy here and there

[mint flare]

I remember some people thinking she was an oceanid

[untold rain]

but aside from that everyone just accepts that paimon is there and dont question it at all

sounds like some reality bending spell or curse to me

[ashen ocean]

Or talk to her

[ashen ocean]

Yeah, especially with constellation motifs

[ashen ocean]

Impossible

[mint flare]

No one questions traveler using the elements without a vision either yet they don't know he's not from teyvat

[ashen ocean]

Because people can use elements without visions

[untold rain]

traveller using multiple elements has been brought up before by others though

[ashen ocean]

Yes

And people acknowledge he is not from this world

[untold rain]

last one i remember was kachina at the statue of the seven

traveller even showed off to her

[mint flare]

Not normal people

Only archons

[untold rain]

what's also interesting is that paimon doesnt seem to be affected by some stuff like the abyss corruption

[ashen ocean]

Normal people can

Though by draining their life force

[mint flare]

Name one

[untold rain]

i think this was also brought up in natlan but i dont remember exactly where or who

[ashen ocean]

Elite eremites and natlaneans

Adepti

[mint flare]

Natlaneans have visions though

[ashen ocean]

Youkai

[ashen ocean]

Not all of them

[mint flare]

Okay I understand now😭

[mint flare]

Mualanis friend had a vision

[ashen ocean]

Visions are different
Their purpose is not to solely control elemental energy

[mint flare]

Youkai and adepti aren't "normal people" though

[mint flare]

Isn't it like to control their ambition?

[ashen ocean]

Humans like Inazuman soldiers / samurai can use elemental energy for a really short while

[ashen ocean]

It also acts as a”eyes of the divine”

For which we are aware of the purpose yet, or we missed it , or it was lost in translation

We do know that visions permanently neuter your quest to become a descender though

[mint flare]

Descenders are those who came from other worlds

[ashen ocean]

Not always

Other worlders like alice are in teyvat

But she is not a descender

[ashen ocean]

AI is dumb

[mint flare]

Lol

[ashen ocean]

Descenders are those who explicitly can challenge the will of the world

[untold rain]

just wait for alice to be called an ascender

[mint flare]

Wasn't Alice from khaen'ria though?

[ashen ocean]

PO set the rules of Teyvat
Nibelung introduced abyss and strained those rules

[ashen ocean]

That is Gold, or Rhinedottir

[ashen ocean]

Cringe af, so they would do it probably

[mint flare]

Why do Barbara and Jean have different last names?

[untold rain]

whats cringe about that

you can either ascend or descend on teyvat

with the whole upside down theme also going on it even makes sense

[ashen ocean]

… kinda

Ascending is used for people going to celestia/ capturing the archon throne

[untold rain]

it is time we talk about this as well

[ashen ocean]

Nobody in game thus far is a fan of celestia

[ashen ocean]

Celestia is not in teyvat

And is instead at the border

[untold rain]

or the starting screen is not celestia

[ashen ocean]

Yes

But rather the moons palace

[untold rain]

that door is just one of the entry ways into teyvat

[ashen ocean]

The moon palace is always present on our sights

[ashen ocean]

That is the third moon

Or the fourth

[untold rain]

shouldnt the floating island be celestia and the starting screen a seperate place from it?

like, beyond the fake sky

just not the part with the red sky and broken moon

[mint flare]

I have proof the loading screen is celestia

When it takes a bit long to load into the game it says "preparing to descend"

[ashen ocean]

If it were celestia, tonatiuh being higher than it would not make sense

[untold rain]

it is?

havent noticed because the clouds obscure everything around it

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

Tonatiuh is the highest point in the game by a huge margin

And oddly enough

[untold rain]

yeah yet

[ashen ocean]

It is only ever sunny rhere

No moons

[ashen ocean]

Cannot see anything higher, if we go by 5.5 leaks

[untold rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVVW0cLvao&ab_channel=AlohaCentauri

[mint flare]

Someone glitched to the floating island and it was the loading screen

[untold rain]

i found this and it looks like celestia is still slightly higher here

[ashen ocean]

Is this from the highest point in tonatiuh?

The height you can still climb in tonatiuh is an extra 100m iirc

[untold rain]

hard to tell with no description lol

[ashen ocean]

Tonatiuh was meant to be an anchor to the moons

[wary parrot]

wasn't it built by the dragons?

[slender haven]

No it was built by Och-Kan

Who was a dragon human hybrid

[wary parrot]

But what you’re saying is the dragon human hybrid followed the moons/moon sisters, angels served them, angels prioritize humans, tldr celestia is a bitch because it enslaved the dragons 😠

[slender haven]

No the moon in Natlan is a dragon relic not a moon sister

[tawdry blade]

No,the island has no model

The loading screen is the cutscene

They simply loaded it in the game

[tawdry blade]

I can't see it

but that is a pretty cool view

[tawdry blade]

That look out of place as hell,one is 3d (tribbie) ,other is 2d. Look more like an Easter egg

Hsr already has genshin glider Easter egg

[tawdry blade]

Dot is middle probably represent her. Although I doubt she is the moon because of her identity leak (if remains true)

[ashen ocean]

What is the identity leak

And no she was never the moon

But she is related to time and constellations somehow

My earnest guess is that Paimon is a creation of Istaroth for the sole purpose of aiding thr fourth descender

Her trifecta seems like rebranding

[untold rain]

could be just an easter egg, but the rebranding to hoyoverse kinda makes me think all of them games exist within the same universe lol

starting screen being an actual place in the universe

and the door leading to teyvat

which is either a simulation because of the fake sky and how irminsul works (simulated universe like herta does it)

or just a world/planet that has been tucked away

the herta also looks like she is or was part of the Hexenzirkel, all of her attacks have that primogem shape animation

[tawdry blade]

I don't deny Teyvat is somewhere but I don't think hoyo will ever do collab between the game now. Genshin is near it end game ,would be out of place to make a story about hsr in genshin suddenly

I still believe we will continue explore other land in Teyvat if hoyo intend to continue the series

[tawdry blade]

because star symbol like primogem is not unique to genshin only. It is one of the most common and basic star design

Hoyo like to use a lot of symbol in their game, for visual or storytelling

[untold rain]

i would say it's more of a marketing tool to funnel genshin players to hsr once it is over lol

gotta keep the paying customers

[ashen ocean]

idts
Most people who play genshin know of hsr and it;s loop is far different than Genshin and may not appeal

[loud pasture]

Nod-krai and Dornman Port mentioned in Jean's birthday letter

dornman port in coming? 👀

[hasty narwhal]

Forgot about it tbh it's been so long

[ashen ocean]

possibly

but 5. 7 is Mare Jivari

dk where they would stuff in dornmann port

[loud pasture]

what if 5.6 mare jivari
5.7 dornman port

dahlia is confirmed for 5.x right? unless they plan to hold him til nod krai

[ashen ocean]

5.6 mare jivari is low chance

esp after 5.5 expansion

too many rewards in a go

but for hoyo
anything is up in the air atm

[tawdry blade]

So there are more than 1 broken "sky" (which isn't actually a sky) from the look of it, because the whole place was covered up by an illusion using technology

Look like we will be using it to get to another area

[slender haven]

Looks cool

[wary parrot]

I like this I feel like its hinting to a broader part

Like the teyvat is upside down theory even

a place underground yet looks to be in the sky at the same time

[ashen ocean]

this is not underground

this is clearly above ground

what this hints to imo is that

these are wrecked space shuttles

[wary parrot]

you get to it through the volcano

[ashen ocean]

natlan being an airfield for dragon shuttles

People were posting about Tonatiuh's structure resembling a shuttle earlier on twt and on hoyolab
so i suspect there is some merit to that likeness

[ashen ocean]

is it really underground or far far above it ?

[wary parrot]

did you watch the livestream

"I expected a bunch of lava, not this!" was said when they were going over the area

[frigid lily]

Lol, I feel like they were making fun of the players for that one

[ashen ocean]

I tuned out a bit after Ifa

Lemme see that part alone again

[ashen ocean]

it is odd this whole area is inside of the volcano

another potential city sovereign ?

[slender haven]

It was Xiuhcoatl's palace so it probably has a city/town around it

[ashen ocean]

ayo

City of Tollan

we are getting a dragon city

[ashen ocean]

maybe we will finally get an answer to all these structures resembling a shuttle

[slender haven]

We got one in Ochkanatlan technically
Though it was taken over by Och-Kan and Xbalanque

[ashen ocean]

rewatching the bit

from the livestream

[slender haven]

Also I see another statue like Ixlel's

[ashen ocean]

the world quest gives more info on the dragon v human war(S)

[slender haven]

Interesting

[ashen ocean]

yes, another sovereign dragon consciousness likely embedded in htere

[slender haven]

I wonder who the next pyro Sovereign will be

[slender haven]

Not a sovereign just a "dragonlord"

[ashen ocean]

i just need the lore behind dragons to be clarified

[slender haven]

Xiuhcoatl's employees

[ashen ocean]

what are they exactly

before the PO

[ashen ocean]

oh yes, mb

[slender haven]

Nibelung's subjects

[ashen ocean]

not that
their state of being

[slender haven]

Neuvillette calls him the "Formidable Father" so maybe Nibelung actually created the dragons?

[slender haven]

Yeah
I have a friend who keeps insisting every building the dragons in Natlan made was after the PO came for some reason

So hopefully they finally confirm that the civilization was pre PO

[ashen ocean]

why are they able to be present as
Projections
Consciousness
Dragonborn
Dragons
Humans
Vishaps
Sandworms
Melusines (not even from this world)
? \

[slender haven]

The vishaps aren't actually dragons they were just adopted by Neuvillette as his children so they're technically "vishaps"

The top tier dragons are pretty similar to gods in the sense that can shapeshift

[ashen ocean]

no, even then, geo vishaps, baby vishaps, primo vishaps, etc

bathysmal vishaps

[slender haven]

Those are just different element vishaps

[ashen ocean]

"elemental" dragons

how did dragons exist in the era before the 7 elements ?

[slender haven]

They were the Primordial elements I guess

My guess is that they were all just different flavors of phlogiston

[ashen ocean]

phlogiston yes
but the skirk set makes it clear that the sun's light was unified white before being split in seven

[slender haven]

Before the PO whipped them into being what we know today

[ashen ocean]

the world fundamentally changed with that

[slender haven]

My guess was that the white light was just all the elements merged together
Since Nibelung had a similar light

[ashen ocean]

an explanation for why Ajaw and the Bathysmal Vishaps are the same family is also long overdue imo

[slender haven]

No

[ashen ocean]

yes

[ashen ocean]

how did dragons lose the war of evolution so so badly ?

[slender haven]

The Bathysmal Vishaps lack an education so that's why they're different

[slender haven]

The PO is implied to have done something going off the new lava boss's description

So the dragons devolved

[ashen ocean]

also, them trying and failing at being the hydro sovereign when that post was already filled for 500 years

[ashen ocean]

is it on homdgcat ?

[slender haven]

Neuvi would have been born among them if not for Orobashi breeding out their hydro

[slender haven]

Probably

Also the leaks subreddit

[ashen ocean]

i found it

Legends say these monsters with lava at their cores are the products of a distinct line of research to the Source Mechanisms that followed them — research into whether the primal flame could be used to create a new race based on humans. This research undoubtedly failed, for once the reaver arrived with their throne from beyond the skies, all that the primal flame could birth were hollow shells whose nominal lifeforce granted them no more consciousness than a stone.

the authority of life was striped away

from the primal flame me thinks

[slender haven]

Yeah the PO stripped away their authority and they started devolving

[ashen ocean]

bit of a tangent, but i think egeria held some shade power and used it on oceanids to give them humanity and that is why Celestia was mad pissed and Ronova had to go through hoops and loops later to give it to Xbalanque

[slender haven]

She borrowed it from the Primordial Sea which is like the vessel of all life

Or something

[ashen ocean]

...so the primordial sea could create or aid in creating intelligent life
but primal flame lost that ability ?

oh nbm

Primordial Sea is present in all life

from birds to insects

it is present in the blood vessals

[slender haven]

Well the oceanids already had intelligence. She just used the Sea to make them "human" bodies

[ashen ocean]

yeah, so she could only make a new corpus, but not create what was not there

[slender haven]

Something like that

[ashen ocean]

I wonder how this plays into the overarching evolution plot and its prohibition across teyvat

[slender haven]

I think the evolution plot will build up to the reveal Khaenri'ahns are "evolved" humans

Who can use the elements naturally

[ashen ocean]

humans were always able to use elements naturally were they not

but at the cost of their life force (without delusions)

[slender haven]

No

Waxaklahun says they are completely unable to naturally

[ashen ocean]

hmm]

[tawdry blade]

I doubt Khaenriahn can use elemental naturally,I mean we have seen from the flashback and the founder didn't helped us at all

They created a machine that can absorb and use the element so it is no doubt Khaenriahn can only use element without vision if they insert something inside their body

Their nation love experiment after all..

[tawdry blade]

So far all authority can create "life" accordingly to what the sovereign want,Apep might lost her authority but she can still created her "children" ,it seem like all sovereign can create their own "child"

I guess it is part of why all of their children look different,having authority stripped off + change in environment and world,and why Apep death will only causes Sumeru plant to overgrowth,I believe sovereign authority only work within their own region and their "children" will always look different

[ashen ocean]

her children are quite dumb and chronically ill are they not

[tawdry blade]

Yes

They are no longer the same I think

[ashen ocean]

i think it was cause apep was in sumeru

the plants would overgrow

like that small pavillion in chasm where the geo sovereign likely perished

or reduced

[slender haven]

Capitano explicitly didn't get any power from his machinery though
There are also those hillichurl mages who can use elements without a vision or any machinery and they used to be Khaenri'ahn (99% of them at least)

Going off Nibelung's implied connection to Khaenri'ah my guess is Khaenri'ahns are just "evolved" in some way
So yes they are experiments in that way

[tawdry blade]

He could get it from his artifact heart as we don't know much about his power,we don't know much about hilichurl mage do we?

[slender haven]

Like I said he explicitly rejected any use of his heart to gain power and it's also stated to only contain information/souls
While we don't know much about the samachurls we get their scrolls which have some type of ominous magic
So maybe Capitano is a wizard

[tawdry blade]

So basically,samachurl still need to use a certain item to use element even if it's not Khaenriah technology (as if they know how to use it anyway)

[slender haven]

Well the Lawachurls can also use elements naturally

And the black serpent knights too

[tawdry blade]

It most likely the curse

[slender haven]

Why would getting cursed give you badass elemental powers

[tawdry blade]

Because you will get kill being a monster

[tawdry blade]

Don't they use special weapon

All of them have some strange weapon

[slender haven]

That's not where they get their elements from

[tawdry blade]

there were two of them sealed in Natlan,and it is said that they sacrifice to save the Natlanese,their power could be from their weapon and armor

I don't think they are abyssal monster at all

[slender haven]

How does that relate to them getting powers from their weapons

[slender haven]

They aren't using abyss powers they're using their natural elemental powers

[tawdry blade]

Their armor glow the element they use, the element might be from armor,forget about the weapon

[slender haven]

That could just be them channeling their powers through their armor

[tawdry blade]

The armor could be absorbing the surrounding element or save it for later use

[slender haven]

Yeah he could be using his geo powers through his armor

They are evolved humans after all

Like how Arlecchino could use flames naturally from her blood

[ashen ocean]

https://fixupx.com/laevateinn_o7/status/1900574267831706052?s=46
@slender haven

[slender haven]

Yes I already knew about that
Very excited to see Varka

[ashen ocean]

No not that
Its the tweet

[slender haven]

Oh I didn't notice the top part lol
I actually think I know the guy who posted that tweet lol, they're on another site I use and they keep talking about Remuria

[ashen ocean]

Fandom ?

[slender haven]

Ye

[ashen ocean]

You are like the one i know who likes that site lol

[slender haven]

I don't like it I just use it to talk to people I like

I also don't really like Discord that much either but I'm still using it too lol

[wary parrot]

I saw a post saying there were placeholders put down next to fontaine, which the nod krai foliage matches that of fontaine and yet the building we see on the far right- like the flag tower or whatever, is natlan architecture

also I hope that letter means we get to see Dornman Port, I assume the final characters that aren't out yet are mondstadt which might mean a Dornman update- Would love to get a glimpse of Varka too

[frigid lily]

I want Alice, I don't care about Varka

[slender haven]

Well tough shit because Alice will never be playable

[frigid lily]

Nah she will
Just say she got divorced or something
Or that Klee is a robot

[slender haven]

Nah having sex once is a sin against reality to Hoyoverse
Also she's probably just going to be kept in the background as a joke character

[frigid lily]

Genshin Intel said she's gonna be playable

[slender haven]

If Genshin Intel told you to jump off a bridge would you?

[frigid lily]

Genshin Intel also said Capitano is going to be playable

[slender haven]

And he fucking died
Alice is going to die confirmed

[frigid lily]

So you don't believe Capitano is going to be playable?
Damn

[slender haven]

No I just think Alice isn't

[frigid lily]

Well I'm klee's dad and I say Alice is going to be playable

[slender haven]

So you don't exist?

[ashen ocean]

Didnt that tribe leader and that eremite elite have snoo snoo in that one sumeru jeht quest

[slender haven]

They both died too
Like clockwork

[frigid lily]

God I wish I was Azariq

[ashen ocean]

I mean
We are likely getting one playable character from each faction

[slender haven]

We have Dehya
Who is sexless

[ashen ocean]

Shade
Sinner
Angel
Witch

[ashen ocean]

Wrong

[slender haven]

She's an eremite though

[ashen ocean]

Didnt she regret it later
The tribe leader

[ashen ocean]

I was replying to your second statement

[slender haven]

Which one

[frigid lily]

Wrong
I already sexed her
Now what

[ashen ocean]

Do we have a playable treasure hoarder yet

Other than maybe
Beidou

[slender haven]

No

[frigid lily]

A worthy sacrifice

[ashen ocean]

Nod Krai perfect place to give us one of them

[slender haven]

We're getting the Voynich Guild there I guess

[ashen ocean]

Watch the archon quest be a cartoonish cop vs thief episode with the moon stuff getting 5 frames at end of the quest

[slender haven]

But they aren't treasure hoarders really

[slender haven]

You're probably right

[ashen ocean]

Treasure hoarders could have a presence there

[frigid lily]

Anyways, I find the whole thing of "Alice isn't playable because she has a husband" or whatever to be dumb
The fanbase wouldn't care that much.
Now if you mean "Alice isn't going to be playable because she's a joke 4th wall break character" then I can get behind that
But I still believe she'll be playable

[ashen ocean]

Alice wont be playable imo
But one of the other unknown witches would be

[slender haven]

I kind of agree with the first one since Alice's """"husband""""" is already so irrelevant he can be retconned out of existence easily but yeah the second one is also the primary one

[ashen ocean]

Also
It reminds me

[frigid lily]

I'm the husband actually
I sexed her and I fucking died
Now I got reincarnated as a Brazillian girl with depression who makes 9$ an hour

[ashen ocean]

Alice - Klee
Rhine- Albedo
B- Mona
Whom else ?

[ashen ocean]

Where was the husband even mentioned

[slender haven]

N didn't teach Mona

B did

[ashen ocean]

Oh

[frigid lily]

Klee's voicelines

[slender haven]

Klee voice line

[ashen ocean]

Canon Brazilian experience

Could N be from Nod Krai ?

[slender haven]

Maybe since it's implied she might be a Seelie

[ashen ocean]

But she had a long life with her husband tho

Hmm

[slender haven]

N?
Wrong one

The one that had a husband died

[ashen ocean]

Oh

I was having J in mind

[slender haven]

Yes

[ashen ocean]

N also appeared in Fontaine, did she not (only as a voice)

[slender haven]

She has only ever appeared as a voice

[crude garden]

@frigid lily have you read about the new cryo artifact?

[frigid lily]

Yeah why

[crude garden]

So... theory abt nibelung descender's is dead

[frigid lily]

Uh
No?
Nibelung is confirmed to be the 3rd Descender now

[slender haven]

No he's the second descender

The outlander was just an alien

Maybe the Outlander became the third descender though

Nibelung being the third descender kinda instantly falls apart when you remember Neuvi just didn't recognize the power of the gnoses at all even though he should be able to connect the dots since he still has memories of his past life including Nibelung

[crude garden]

so it's getting more interesting huh

[frigid lily]

Hmm fair

[mint flare]

I think collective of plenty will be in between ochaknatlan and the desert

It's too empty and at the top of the map above sulfurous veins and also children of echos it looks like it's gonna continue some land there

[tawdry blade]

You didn't watch the stream?

[ashen ocean]

this is a good catch

Also

I realised

Anemo Wayob is not a thing yet

Ifa being a second anemo from the same tribe muddies it but

we genuinely do not have an anemo tribe

I wonder if that will come in play when we get the mondsdadt chapter

after mare

huh

[hasty narwhal]

I can read little one but not the rest

Can't wait for WQ

[tawdry blade]

Nothing,just teasing new stuff

You will know when you get to that part

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrating-stitch-disney-lilo-and-stitch-gif-4412782

[tawdry blade]

Patience is key ❤️‍🔥

[ashen ocean]

fair
between applications and thesis
my workload is overbearing atm
but am bored out of mind despite that

[slender haven]

Maybe when we get more lore on Vanessa's tribe

[frigid lily]

Mare Jivari, I hope

[ashen ocean]

how are the gnoses of Outlander over Nibelung again ?

[slender haven]

There are a lot of thematic connections to Jesus (oft associated with the number three) with the outlander
They are a divine being who took on the form of a normal human
They educated/revealed the truth the priests of the Golden Hall akin to how a young Jesus educated the Rabbi of the Temple of Jerusalem
And in a gnostic context Jesus was the representative of the True God who dispelled the lies of the demiurge, akin to how the Outlander revealed the truth of the world to the First Angel
The First Angel also brings up sacrificing themselves in the final lines of the circlet like how Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross.

So the number 3 = third descender

[ashen ocean]

that makes sense

and we technically resseruct them on the seventh region/ day of the week

Sneznaya

[slender haven]

That's also a good point

[ashen ocean]

also
would that make the 3 moons the 3 horsemen ?

[slender haven]

Also God is technically considered to be both male and female by Christianity even though we only really refer to Him as male which could tie back into the Outlander's seeming genderfluidity

[ashen ocean]

another thing
Narayana is used to refer to PO isnt it

[slender haven]

You mean 4 horsemen?
Those are probably the shades

[ashen ocean]

werent there 3 when Jesus was born in Bethelheim's stables ?

nvm there were 4

[slender haven]

You mean the three wise men? Yeah I don't think they have an equivalent in this

Genshin can barely muster three men a chapter after all

[ashen ocean]

there could be
they anticipated the arrival of Jesus didnt they
or something else

[slender haven]

They were guided to Israel by a star in the sky sent by God
And the Outlander came from space and all that

Though I guess three moons apply here too

[ashen ocean]

"Io, Io, Pan! That which lies beneath the great sea!"
The purpose of this line in the ritual scripture is to forsake the self and sink into the abyss, and in the abyss, to welcome rebirth as a holy infant.
The origin of this is a tragedy of unknown provenance that has been passed down by persons unknown to this day. Said play is called "Ajax," or "Aias." He was the second-strongest warrior in his alliance.

"Lies beneath the great sea" is, itself, an interesting phrase. It comes from ancient Sumeru texts, and should be read as "Narayana," which also means "primordial human."
This, too, is my goal, for not all that comes from beyond may be as one that "descends." That title belongs only to wills that can rival an entire world.
That is what I seek, the way to become just such a will, one that can protect the world, sustain the world, destroy the world, and create the world.

[ashen ocean]

abyss and gelstat stuff reminds me of baptism

idgi
what does narayana mean

here

[slender haven]

Something to do with Hinduism I think

[ashen ocean]

ik what it means in hinduism

but here in this context

[slender haven]

The term "Primordial human" reminds me of Albedo

Since I think Gold calls him something like that

[ashen ocean]

Narayana is another name of Vishnu, the god of creation

[slender haven]

Hm yeah

[ashen ocean]

he lies on the ocean, atop his 7 headed snake adisesha

[slender haven]

Seven archon parallel then

[ashen ocean]

the most notable thing about him is his 10 avatars/ incarnations

he assumes each to correct or solve issues in the world

[slender haven]

Remuria also called them "Fortuna" kinda

[ashen ocean]

maybe
but the snake was one entity

[slender haven]

Well they all served the HP once upon a time

[ashen ocean]

and in one incarnation, it takes the avatar as the elder brother of vishnu's incarnation

[ashen ocean]

hm true

[ashen ocean]

Fortuna ?

[slender haven]

They call it the ruler of everything or something
It's mentioned in the description of one of the Narwhal's drops

It's also mentioned in some readables in Remuria

[ashen ocean]

i do wonder how Hinduism ultimately plays into Genshin lore
or if themes of Buddhism are more prevelant

[slender haven]

Gnosticism is the most important
Hinduism is just tied into Sumeru's lore mainly

[ashen ocean]

need to read up on gnosticism one day

[slender haven]

And Buddhism is alluded to in Inazuma a couple times

[ashen ocean]

where ? i genuinely missed it

[slender haven]

In a couple of Raiden's descriptions

[ashen ocean]

ah

yes

did raiden try to reach enlightenment though ?

[slender haven]

Stuff about enlightenment and so on

[slender haven]

She's "closest to the divinity" so in a way

Also she meditated for 500 years

[ashen ocean]

They need to clear up the stuff about eternity fast

[slender haven]

They've been giving some more lore on it lately
I don't think it needs an explanation

[ashen ocean]

need moar

also

its odd they abandoned the moon web event thing

[slender haven]

Ok

I still have to do the moon event lol
I have like two weeks still so I should be fine though

[ashen ocean]

they are supposed to be updating it

and it lasts till the tenth of may

[slender haven]

Well maybe we'll get another update during 5.5

[ashen ocean]

we need one on monday desperately

its been 2 whole weeks

[slender haven]

Hopefully

It'd be cool to get another Nod-Krai pic

[ashen ocean]

i just want lore on ???

and also
on the nail victims

[slender haven]

Yeah the Nail in the Night Kingdom would be good to know more about

[ashen ocean]

and the dragon ruins in the night kingdom

as well

[slender haven]

Hm so I finally got to reading the new and improved translation for Finale of the Deep Galleries and I found this

So the Golden City after the Outlander and First Angel met tried making a "perfect being"

Maybe the Third descender isn't the Outlander like I suspected but rather the finalized version of this "perfect being"? Who somehow became fused to the world, inheriting the seven elements before being turned into the gnoses?

Also more confirmation the Outlander isn't a descender either since they needed a "perfect being" at all

[ashen ocean]

dreams mentioned

[slender haven]

One of the First Angel's most profane sins must have been cheating in a Minecraft speedrun

[ashen ocean]

no not that

they created something with "dreams" ?

[slender haven]

No they just dreamt of creating a perfect being

Not they made a perfect being with dreams

[ashen ocean]

Narayana crumbs

[slender haven]

This is the full quote

So they used a combination of the Frostmoon's power and "the bones of giant beasts" probably dead dragons

[ashen ocean]

Frostmoon is dragon tech too

So this is why evolution was banned

[slender haven]

It originated from the dragon era seemingly

[ashen ocean]

is the merging with the world, meaning someone or something important ?

is it the process of becoming a descender ?

[ashen ocean]

I think this is Nod Krai's unique power
creation

[slender haven]

Well we, the Traveler, frequently "fuse with" the wills of the people in order to become stronger and Narzissenkreuz/Rene attempted to become a descender by "fusing with" Fontaine

[ashen ocean]

there have been so many nods to creation in 5.5 btw

[slender haven]

Mhm

[ashen ocean]

the new avatar of lava world boss, the secret source mechanisms

etc

and the degeneration of dragon race

[slender haven]

Waxaklahun also "created" Och-Kan as a "new human"

[ashen ocean]

almost as if missing a portion / power / sentience

[ashen ocean]

dragon body, soul of a human

[slender haven]

No, fully dragon and fully human

He was more humanoid once upon a time too

[ashen ocean]

Rukhadevata created Nahida with her own memory files condensed onto a twig

[ashen ocean]

hmm fair enough

[ashen ocean]

he is reverse albedo

[slender haven]

Also all the stuff with creation reminds me of Rukk and Nabu creating Simurgh the Divine Bird whose sole purpose was to sacrifice itself during the Cataclysm
Nabu was an Angel as well so maybe the Third was something similar to that?

A being explictly designed to sacrifice itself, would also be very in line with Christ

[ashen ocean]

I think the third was the perfect, nascent descender

a creation of the Seelie Queen and the Outlander

[slender haven]

That's what I think too
I also think Nibelung was the real first descender and Phanes was the second
The "Second Who Came" is still Nibelung but that's because the name was only given to him by stupid Celestia worshipers who didn't know better

[ashen ocean]

What i believe happened was

The "wedding" at the moon palace was actually between the Third and the whole unified planet

wedding themselves to the will of Humanity

when nibelung attacked, he used this to disperse the abyss via it all across the planet

PO puts down his foot down at 2 whole challengers, third sacrifices self to save the planet
PO and Nibelung duke it out and barely makes out of fight
The remains of the third are cursed inherently because of the tragedy and its purpose

[slender haven]

I think the wedding could have been between the Outlander and the Angel which was actually a "fusion" since marriage is traditionally seen as one and that fusion is what created the third descender, maybe
But the First Angel is stated to have lost her body so I'm not sure

[slender haven]

I think it may have been the Third's plan to get sacrificed, since the gnoses are designed to curse everyone who has them, they're all practically ticking time bombs to destroy the PO's order from the inside and out

[ashen ocean]

would the PO not smell the curse ?

[slender haven]

They were half dead from the Nibelung fight, they wouldn't care

Plus their senses would be impaired

Also they're a big dummy

[ashen ocean]

and in gnosticism
there is an obsessions with halves of a marriages making one whole part or something isnt there

[ashen ocean]

but why willingly give it to archons

[slender haven]

I was more referring to Christianity, because marriage is seen as symbolically becoming one

[ashen ocean]

they cared enough to put down the curse on all seelies

[slender haven]

Because they would help perpetuate its order for a time

[ashen ocean]

also

is the Night Mother a real thing ?

[slender haven]

It took them a while to figure that part out

[slender haven]

IDK

[ashen ocean]

one lorist's theory on phanes is that

[slender haven]

Also we don't know how Skirk/Surtalogi know about the curse in the gnoses
Maybe they're just special in some way, due to the abyss

[ashen ocean]

he split into the Usurper King and the Night Mother
The Night Mother further splits into the Four Shining Shades

[ashen ocean]

there is a suspicion i had lately

that the third descender not really being an individual or a being

the gnoses do not seem like remains of a being but rather of an automaton

[slender haven]

So they were a robot?

[ashen ocean]

Yes

remember Phobos ?

Phobos came closer to its goals than Narzizzenkreuz

[slender haven]

A robot is still technically an individual/being

[ashen ocean]

but a robot hosting the collective nonetheless

theres also Al Haitham's story quest

That 2nd rate researcher uses Akasha to try a collective of wills and it fails

[slender haven]

I did see an insane theory that Scaramouche was the third descender reincarnated
While definitely wrong, Scaramouche was MADE to hold the gnoses inside of him, so maybe he's more similar in nature to the Third Descender too?

[ashen ocean]

Men of lithin also begins with the unenlightened rejecting the will of the collective

[slender haven]

So this does tie into what I way saying about how I think the Third Descender was the culmination of the Golden City's experiments

[ashen ocean]

and how the collective are all fake, pretend human seeming robots

[ashen ocean]

yep

[ashen ocean]

He was about to be given Forbidden Knowledge to complete the final step to becoming a good too

[ashen ocean]

also your not far off|
he was made hero of simulanka

he has so much likeness to the three moons

[slender haven]

Well that would've driven him crazy, well more crazy than he already was

[slender haven]

His mommy also summons a moon in her attacks

[ashen ocean]

beyond that

his sister is eternity personified

or at least, immune to erosion

[slender haven]

And in Nahida's cat story book Scaracat straight up says "i will become the new moon"

[ashen ocean]

yep

[ashen ocean]

I think this was just allusion to what he could have been

he signs away his shot at becoming a descender with the memory wipe

maybe a foreshadowing to the neglect and abuse of the third descender ?

[slender haven]

I also have this crackpot theory that Wanderer is the figurative successor to Nabu who is compared to the moon as well
Nahida is Rukk's successor
Dottore will be Deshret's successor
And Wanderer will be Nabu's successor

[slender haven]

Well the moons weren't actually descenders themselves they just helped

[ashen ocean]

not that

the fourth moon allegedly

can reshape the fate of all humanity

[slender haven]

Does it say that in the event?

[ashen ocean]

yep

The Welkin Moon (literally namedropped)

[slender haven]

Ah, could just be an allusion to the Traveler and how they're destined to overturn the world or whatever

[ashen ocean]

no

that is different

the event straight up says we are getting a new, fourth moon

[slender haven]

Well the "4th" of something changing the fate of all of humanity
It could just be a double meaning of both the "4th moon" and the Traveler

[ashen ocean]

its the 3 + 1 theory

3 failures, 1 success

narzizzenkreuz also ordained 4 stages did he not ?

[ashen ocean]

there was no traveller imagery here

besides
traveller is of entirely different function

[slender haven]

He also listed 4 qualifications to be a descender

[slender haven]

Just a reocurring theme then like you said

[ashen ocean]

nah
like the event was entirely only about the moons

no mention of travellers or descenders

wait

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/moon?game_biz=hk4e_global&hyl_presentation_style=fullscreen&hyl_auth_required=true&hyl_landscape=true&hyl_hide_status_bar=true&utm_source=hoyolab&utm_medium=post

[slender haven]

I wasn't saying it's explictly referring to the Traveler, just that's a possible allusion one could make since they stem from a similar pattern

[ashen ocean]

ah fair

[ashen ocean]

i think descender is the missing pattern here

there are 4 shades, one of them would have been the ideal one and leader (3 + 1)
but the fifth is logos

[ashen ocean]

which are ?

[slender haven]

Wait a sec

[ashen ocean]

this is a different view of our ingame clock

[slender haven]

Here

[ashen ocean]

so the four shades put together, make a descender ?

or at least it seems to me like it

Will- PO
Sustain - Istaroth

destroy - Ronova

Create - life

[slender haven]

More like they're its descender parts split off

Yes I have made that connection too

There could also be to "witness" a world which is what the Traveler is

No way Istaroth is the Sustainer, we know she's the most defiant to the Heavenly Principles

Something like that

But that could also be "sustain" so idk

Narzissenkreuz could just be like, wrong in some places
He did fail after all

Yeah, I think she could be "The First Angel" though

[slender haven]

Would explain why she was so rebellious
And why Andrius has clocks in his theme

What contradiction

Nah I think she's just the First Angel

So the first three shades are failures while Istaroth is the sucess essentially

Because she fully saw through he progenitor's schemes

Well they're failures in the meta sense since they're following the demiurge

Istaroth is the sucess because she fell in love with the Outlander

The they/them p*ssy really changed Istaroth's whole world

Ye

I think she was the First Angel
Maybe

Here's the thing though, time god
So while her story eventually ends with her dissolving, she could send "versions" of herself throughout time to help Raiden and so on

BSaM does mention she can plant "seeds" that can grow an instant
So before she dissolved she planted enough "seeds" to continue her pressense

Makoto mentions it's "free" of the Heavenly Principles

So something like that

Yeah that too

Well Ronova already "loved" the people of Natlan to try and help them but then her dad put her in time out

It's the same "love" that the normal angels have too that is spread across to the world itself and not anyone in particular

My theory is that the HP prevents its shades from interacting with anyone on Teyvat because it really can't afford having any other shades potentially fall in love with someone personally after Istaroth did it

Well that's cause it was a personal love

Yes which was unheard of before for the angels, this could also apply to the shades
Ronova even has a biblically accurate ANGEL type design

Still an angel
Like how Focalors is still technically an oceanid but just above them

Well the other shades could possibly experience it too
They just don't because they haven't had an Outlander

They could be
Just "lesser" pieces

[slender haven]

Egeria is singled out as unique for being made from the world's materials
Meaning other gods like the Angels were made from pieces of the beyond

They're already in love with the "idea" of humanity. They're supposed to be spreading their love out across all of humanity so Istaroth doing that wouldn't be the exception really asides from her going against her progenitor more.

Being in love with the collective makes it easier to punish specific groups of humans for disobeying after all

Well if they aren't the first Angel which tbh I am unsure of myself then idk.

Maybe she was friends with the First Angel but that's kind of a disappointing answer

[slender haven]

Well we already have girls like Nabu for that
I also imagine Columbina is gonna be something similar
Having a shade set apart from the others is the natural continuation

Or Skirk's quest though then again a main quest giving anything more than the bare minimum of lore isn't often

But yeah Skirk's weapon also makes sense

So a festival set in Khaenri'ah and or space? Lmao, that actually would be a huge lore dump
But yeah that is probably what it's going to be, unless it ties into the Dainsleif quest.

Would be cool but I doubt it
Nod-Krai is definitely 6.0 at least imo

It does?

Cool

They do low poly representations of stuff before
But technically those islands are just where the Mare USED to be

Nah they wouldn't release an entirely new region in the same chapter

It being in the 5.3 live stream is just them saying "this is the area that's coming after Natlan is done"

[frigid lily]

Nod Krai is just part of Snezh or whatever, its not a entire region

[slender haven]

Have we been to Sneznahya before?

[frigid lily]

No but I'm just saying

[slender haven]

I mean I remember you saying you think Nod-Krai is gonna be its own chapter

[frigid lily]

That's what all leaks are saying

[slender haven]

That's also just what they're setting it up as
They keep talking about Nod-Krai in its own terms rather than Sneznahya as a whole

Even if it is technically just a part of Sneznahya

It's gonna go crazy one way or another

Yeah at the end maybe

[frigid lily]

Istaroth will probably show up when we go to the Mondstadt place

[slender haven]

Hyperborea or Dornman's Port?

[frigid lily]

Dornmam's port

[slender haven]

Hmmm maybe
I think it might tie into whatever Varka's plotline is going to be since Boreas and Istaroth already have a connection

[frigid lily]

You mean you theorize that Boreas and Istaroth have a connection

[slender haven]

Nod-Krai might finally be when we get that second Venti quest if it is the "interlude" chapter

[frigid lily]

Maybe

[slender haven]

It's like Bennet being from the Mare Jivari or Gold being Rhinedottir
You don't put clocks ticking in a characters theme without them having a connection to time

[frigid lily]

I don't really care about Istaroth if I'm being honest

[slender haven]

Even if she's an archangel?

[frigid lily]

Do I care about Columbina?

[slender haven]

I'm starting to think the only angel you actually care about is Nabu

[frigid lily]

She's the only angel I find interesting

You only care about Istaroth because of your theory of her being related to Varka tbh

[slender haven]

I thought you said you loved all angels or something lol

[frigid lily]

Not really
I think Angel lore is neat, that's all

But I don't know I don't think I like it that much anymore

[slender haven]

Nah, my interest in Istaroth is separate from my interest in Varka
In fact Varka's possible connection to Istaroth is what makes me more interested in him not the other way around

[frigid lily]

Sure

[slender haven]

Idk why you think I'd lie about that

[frigid lily]

I said sure

[slender haven]

Ok

Well the only one who they could now is the Tsaritsa

[frigid lily]

I don't

I just want Mare Jivari

[slender haven]

I just want a Varka design reveal
I've been waiting for several years

The Traveler ain't beating an actual descender level opponent lol

[frigid lily]

I guess so

[slender haven]

Wait who are you talking about?

Oh I thought you meant the Tsaritsa becoming a descender or something

You think the third descender is gonna be the boss of Sneznahya?

[frigid lily]

We are theorizing that the third descender is going to be resurrected?

Would be cool to see her get beat up

[slender haven]

I think whatever ritual the Tsaritsa and Pierro is gonna go wrong and the Third might come back through that way
But I don't think their plan is to revive the third

His character arc is probably going to end in Nod-Krai lol

Pierro would have forced him to get it back somehow

Well depending on what Pierro "wanted" from Scaramouche

[frigid lily]

I don't really care about descender lore to be honest
Unless it has to do with Phanes, I wanna know more about Phanes specifically
I mean he's literally the big bad of the game
Don't really have an opinion on Nibelung and third descender is eh

[slender haven]

My guess is that it's how to infuse gnoses into a host
And Pierro already has that now

[slender haven]

Yeah more Phanes backstory would be nice but we're gonna have to wait a long time for that

That was just to make him stronger
Pierro still wanted something from him

[frigid lily]

I hope we get crumbs sprinkled in a long the way at the very least

I like Phanes

[slender haven]

I hate Phanes
They're a big dummy dumb poo poo head

[frigid lily]

All the descenders are shit honestly
But I like Phanes the most because he's the main villain

[slender haven]

Or how to properly infuse gnoses into people/remove the Divine gaze from them

[slender haven]

Nibelung haters when their entire planet gets conquered and they don't just want to lay down and accept it:

[frigid lily]

No I like Nibelung
He fucked up though still
That's why I'm saying they're all shit

[slender haven]

Him fucking up once isn't enough to say he's shit imo

[frigid lily]

No I think he is shit still

[slender haven]

Which curse?

[frigid lily]

Phanes is a colonizer
Nibelung brought the Abyss into Teyvat which is a big fuckup but he did it for a good reason
Third Descender creeps me out
And Traveler is annoying

[slender haven]

Yeah but the Abyss also gave us Enjou and I think he's funny so you take the bad with the good

[frigid lily]

I think Enjou's annoying

[slender haven]

I agree with the other stuff though

[frigid lily]

But fair

[slender haven]

Though we don't know enough about the Third descender to make any observation on them

[frigid lily]

I just find the fact that she possesed the body of a random boy and made them marry (and possibly have children) with an angel to be creepy that's all

Feels a little bit like SA

That's why I'm honestly more interested in the boy she possesed rather than her

[slender haven]

Yeah that part is creepy but I'm starting to think that maybe the third isn't even the Outlander at all? Since the artifacts talk about how the Golden City did research into making a "perfect being" maybe the Third was actually the culmination of that research
But yeah good point if they are the third

[frigid lily]

Yes, that is something we need to find out

[slender haven]

Yes, it is all very confusing

[frigid lily]

The distinction between is the third the outlander is pretty interesting though, I think it is worth looking into it simply because it would answer a lot of questions about what makes the descenders etc.

[slender haven]

Yes, the set even brings up how they wanted that perfect being to "merge with the world" which is very reminiscent of all the times the Traveler has been a vessel for the wills of the people and all

[frigid lily]

Nabu does kind of mention "invaders" in plural when talking about the war, and my theory was always that there were multiple aliens that came to Teyvat at the time, but that the outlander themselves wasn't a descender

[slender haven]

Well I just assumed that maybe Nibelung brought some abyssal aliens with him too like Gosoythoth to aid him

[frigid lily]

But I feel like that would just make things needlesly complicated

[slender haven]

But it does also mention that the Golden City made "demons"? So maybe they helped Nibelung too?

[frigid lily]

Maybe, who knows

I'm interested in what counts as demons in Genshin idk

This is more so because of my theory on the "demon names" and what not

[slender haven]

That's not what I was really focusing on but yeah a bunch of things are called demons

[frigid lily]

Fair, maybe they made a bunch of abyssal creatures

The fact that Nabu was able to teach Deshret about Forbidden Knowledge could maybe attest to that

I mean, she literally says that the invaders brought bad stuff, but that it was also good because it could break through Phane's rules

[slender haven]

But Nibelung may not have even come in with the Abyss yet
Also it mentions that they apparently got power from the Frostmoon

Maybe they were only called demons because they resisted the HP's rule and it's from the perspective of a pro Celestia historian or something

[frigid lily]

I'm not so sure

[slender haven]

Let me look at the full passage again

Ok so they do say "forbidden methods" but that could just be in reference to how they aren't supposed to know how to make things like the divine

[tawdry blade]

Skirk is just gaslighting us

[frigid lily]

Ohhh you played it? How did it go?

Ahh I see
Did you see like the full thing with the ending or no?

Yeah its pretty long
Tell me what you think of the ending

4 in total, not counting two secret endings

Ohhhhh
Ok the chapter endings yeah

Yeah but there's also a true ending, is what I mean
You'll know it when you get to it

But yeah if you count how many endings are on each "run" there are a shitton

Having 100% the game there are I think 52 endings when you combine all the routes

[frigid lily]

I don't look at fanfics so lol
People have done some really cool animations for the game though

[slender haven]

Yohual

It's just another title for Yohual

Yeah but it's still Yohual

They just say they're a he for some reason

She's described as male in a book

It also has Waxaklahun

Let me find it

Records of Hanan Pacha
That's the book

Are these the pre load leaks?

Yohualtecuhtin refers to several gods in the original Aztec context so it could just be a reference to that

[frigid lily]

Its just Yohualtecuhtin supposedly

[frigid lily]

Unrelated, I'll probably take a break from discord when 5.5 drops so I avoid any 5.6 spoilers
I know we know like jack shit about 5.6 but in the chance it has any new story content I want to avoid it so yeah

[weary oriole]

"yeah I got fluffy hair" ahh character

[tawdry blade]

Traveler casually reading Teyvat memories by swimming in orange juice

[tawdry blade]

Damn, that robot is crazy,freeze ability but I guess it is a copy of what Celestia did with pyro sovereign before

[tawdry blade]

In the boss fight,when it trap you with Phlogiston. It is the same way as Celestia put Pyro Sovereign into false sleep/"death"

[tawdry blade]

It is strange for them to put ?? On skirk when the entire fanbase already know she is coming

Not a fair comparison

His case was special

Also canonically his name is our choice

I thought it was a joke option ngl

[hasty narwhal]

We know she's coming just not when i guess

[tawdry blade]

Hoyo said it themselves,the character show in the stream will be playable in this patch

I hope ?? Is the harbinger that might appear in Mavuika quest in 5.7

[hasty narwhal]

If it's durin it'd be hilarious

technically it would make more sense to release durin with dehlia in the same patch than Skirk

Personally I would rather have skirk come after Dain's quest

or during

[tawdry blade]

Ye,also the sword he used is what the abyss version use as well

[tawdry blade]

There is a fatui obsidian stone in the Night Kingdom:Local Legend challenge,you will unlock after beat all of the local legend(in Night Kingdom)

All of them

You just have to get the first achievement

Once you beat the final one

When you fight the final one,you will be teleport to the tower

The tower in the challenge

Just go to a totem ,the tower inside is what I am talking about

An ancient stone carving,with rough patterns cut into it by what appears to be a knife
I will leave the first knife mark here,to engrave the halls of this darkened world for those that come after me
This is where I make my first call to the night,that those who come after may summon from this departed world the glory of our ancestral spirit.
Reach out ,to those who would follow my footsteps... And leave here your mark on history

Black scene
You see,appearing before your eyes... The figures of heroes who have come before
A man with flaming hair whose smile beams brightly(Xbalanque?), a travel-worn youth whose eyes smolder like the sunset(Mualani),a child with an Iktonisaurus (Kachina) whose brow is furrowed in thought...
And there,a familiar silhouette.She pauses but for the briefest of the moment,then plunges resolutely into 500 years of solitude.(Mavuika)
Some face appear solemn,other mournful,while some still carry a flicker of anger,despite arriving at this place.
Yet without exception,they all stand there, Without exception,they have all ended up leaving "themselves" in this place...

Countless hands stretch out from he darkness,each clutching glowing stone feathers,passing them one by one into the distance.
Some are swallowed by the darkness,but some still remain as unquenchable flames that adorn the curtain of night like stars
You know what these are "names" And one of them belongs to you

End of scene, The stone tablet remains as dark as ever,but you know that,somewhere on its surface,you have left an indelible mark..

@ashen ocean

[tawdry blade]

Haven't do the final two act,but I heard the animation is smooth like ZZZ

[hasty narwhal]

those bosses are giving me persona 3 flashback

[slender haven]

More Goatzhu screentime??? I didn't expect that lol

[tawdry blade]

This is all because Capitano want to meet Traveler personally,he asked Oronon to take traveler soul to night Kingdom which might have exposed Traveler to some abyssal

If the story leak is real,I am sure it is the Sinner. Who might take Traveler soul fragment to do experiment,they love experiment.

[tawdry blade]

https://streamable.com/vddsh0

Weekly phrase two

[hasty narwhal]

And there it goes, i am officially no longer interested in Skirk, thank you Hoyo

[hasty narwhal]

It's enough

Everything else was already losing me interest, now i really have nothing to care about her.

Looking forward to snez

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/shes-gone-steven-universe-change-your-mind-pink-diamond-gif-13509070

[tawdry blade]

It's common pattern,not that deep

[tawdry blade]

That is a cope atp

[hasty narwhal]

I know if the game forces us to play it like shenhe or an interval act (which doesn't sound like it thankfully) I will do it my eyes closed

[tawdry blade]

Why do you think so? I think it is a good time to learn more about Sinner if Skirk will ever share the knowledge

[hasty narwhal]

Going through waifu bait for 2 lines of lore isn't worth it

[tawdry blade]

She was always a waifu no matter how you see it,she also praised Traveler in Fontaine quest.

We can't be sure,her master is a sinner,she might learn something from him.

[hasty narwhal]

If that leaker wasn't certified i would have swore this story was AI generated

[tawdry blade]

We might get both

Even if we don't, we still have Mare Jivari and Enjou

Traveler primordial one

I watched dandanda but I don't know what do you mean by this

All

Ah I see

:🏀

Traveler golden soul

Hoyo schedule is something

Though,it possible the one who stole Traveler fragment could be using it to absorb unlimited abyss

Like a machine, without a certain component,it can't work properly

I don't think it is the sibling. Because if it was,abyss sibling should have done that earlier

Maybe it is also true someone is using Traveler soul fragment to created something

The leak said that Traveler feels the sharp pain,could be because his soul fragment is being tested on

If PO had soul protection ability then no

Because the weapon can turn all of Natlan into Phlogiston and if we compare to Teapot 's creation ability,I think it is true

Either way,we know it will be prevented

But Little One finale could mean in the future,they will add more of this non canon option in WQ or AQ, Traveler would have to choose Teyvat fate in the end,that would be neat. Abandon and leave or stay and change

[slender haven]

No we're going to save it probably
Defying fate and all that

[tawdry blade]

Teyvat will 100% have good end.

[slender haven]

Nah we're blowing up the Abyss

[slender haven]

Nah

[ripe sapphire]

The new set of artifacts is for Skirk?

[tawdry blade]

Only true when it is show,not through text

[tawdry blade]

Yes

[ripe sapphire]

Tyy!!

[viscid cove]

i need to consult golden and kc what to do with them scammers lol

[teal pier]

What's up

Oh

I don't have that power unfortunately

I'm but a rung on the ladder

[viscid cove]

ye some bots. just going to ask what do u do with them aside from deleting those messages

im not here often but just wanna know what to do if i am here lol

[teal pier]

Generally there's not much to filter them

Cause banning the words that they use are generally pretty commonly used words