・genshin-spoilers

[slender haven]

So like thematics? Ok

[ashen ocean]

Evolution is still a banned field of study in Sumeru and Fontaine

[ashen ocean]

Kinda

So, W.U.K

[slender haven]

Yeah his relationship with Och-Kan is kind of similar to Rhine and Durin
Man I can't wait for the Durin revival stuff

[slender haven]

Alright

[ashen ocean]

Durin will be the twinkest twink we have see

Seen

[frigid lily]

I just like Seelie lore because of its ties to Ley Lines and Ronova
And also memory stuff
Which I guess could apply to other stuff too but idk
I like Seelie
Seelie make me happy

[slender haven]

Maybe he'll be a shy beefy man 😔

Let me dream

[ashen ocean]

Hoyo will never put a masc-er than Wrio

[slender haven]

Leyline lore connects to a lot of things tbh

Even more so lately

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[slender haven]

Wriothesley's build would be alright

Honestly I just want him to be tall /srs
I imagine him kind of looking like Ororon

[slender haven]

Perinheri was a femboy confirmed?

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

[slender haven]

That is if they even make him playable and don't just kill him again

[ashen ocean]

Love triangles

My thought was that angels thought them during the crimson moon dynasty’s days and khaenrians believed in the heavens

Thought them the art of khemia

[slender haven]

Well there was a dynasty before them

Probably at least
rule of 3 and all

[ashen ocean]

Was there a dynasty before the crimson moon ?

I do not recall any bit on that

[slender haven]

Just a theory on my part
The Crimson Moon doesn't seem important enough to be the founders of Khaenri'ah

[ashen ocean]

I think they are the first

[slender haven]

Nibelung probably founded Khaenri'ah going off his name so he'd be the "first dynasty"

[slender haven]

Nah

They aren't that important

Arlecchino lore merchants

Maybe Rerir lore too

[frigid lily]

I think the fact that they (allegedly) had an orphanage dedicated to people from other worlds make them pretty big

[slender haven]

They explicitly never found any kids from other worlds though
It more related to Khaenri'ah wanting a descender in general

Which culminated in the Travelers ig

[ashen ocean]

Ny hc is that:
the refugees from places like Sal Vindagyr assemble at Khaenriah
Angels teach them khemia and rules to remain at the roots of irminsul
They gladly follow along until
Discovery for the false sky
Then the eclipse dynasty takes over for the deception of the anger remindles their ancestral hatred over celestia
They seek to overthrow celestia and summon sibling and use their descender status

Coup fails and all are put down

[slender haven]

No

[frigid lily]

Well but in the story Perinheri was from another world
I mean we don't know if Perinheri was real and probably not but still

Why would angels teach people khemia?

[ashen ocean]

Hm
But didnt dragons hate humans ?

Following the first war

[slender haven]

Guys like Waxaklahun took them under his wing
Nibelung could have done the same

[slender haven]

No he wasn't he was just an interesting kid iirc

[ashen ocean]

The issue with this is that

[slender haven]

There is no issure

[ashen ocean]

If nibelung came close to humans he wouldve been ratted out

[slender haven]

Yeah it's dumb

[ashen ocean]

The PO was active for 1000 years

[frigid lily]

No he was from another world I'm pretty sure

[ashen ocean]

And listened to humanity

[slender haven]

No he wouldn't have
They were underground in some distant part of the world

[slender haven]

They never got a transcendental person

[slender haven]

No he didn't

[ashen ocean]

To give humans some defence vs the Abyssal forces plaguing the roots
Or to serve humanity by gifting them something before their end

[ashen ocean]

He did
Iirc he used to listen to every cribbing demand of humans

[frigid lily]

Alright then i read it wrong

[ashen ocean]

Rains of water, foodc etc

I dont know where i read it

[slender haven]

That's BSaM propaganda
They didn't listen to Enkanomiya at all

[frigid lily]

Ok but theres no evidence to the angels having any relationship to khemia
To the leylines yes but not khemia

[ashen ocean]

Enka fell at the end of the Era

Before then he was active

[slender haven]

And Khaenri'ah was founded roughly at the end of that era too

[ashen ocean]

Enka fell during the war of vengeance

[slender haven]

Yeah and Khaenri'ah was founded after it

[ashen ocean]

Is it going by Sal Vindagyr lore ?

[slender haven]

Sal Vindagyar was nailed some time after the War of Vengence

Apep says there was a brief period of time between the war ending and the nails dropping

[frigid lily]

The nails were dropped to combat forbidden knowledge by Nibelung no?

[ashen ocean]

My stretch is that
Khemia is manipulation of elemental energy from leylines
(All 7 in one) etc
A watered down art to manipulate the unified 7 for humans, like seelies did with that of the light realm before

Its a massive stretch still

[slender haven]

Yes, after the war though

[frigid lily]

Well at least you admit its a stretch

[slender haven]

Apep says they dropped after the war ended

[frigid lily]

Personally I don't see the Seelies being related to the elements

[slender haven]

We already have an energy from the leylines
Azosite

[frigid lily]

I see them being more related to death and memories

[slender haven]

And it isn't Khemia

[frigid lily]

Yeah

But actually speaking of the naila

I was talking about it earlier

The little Irminsul "roots" we find in every spot that has been nailed

[ashen ocean]

Cant khemia be related to its production ?

[slender haven]

It's used to power robots and in Perinheri it's explicitly stated the Eclipse Dynasty ditched alchemy to make more robots, implying the two aren't related

[ashen ocean]

Seelies are of the light realm and the elements are from the energies there

Only connection thus far

[slender haven]

Yeah those are odd
Maybe they're like "loose wires" so to speak

[slender haven]

No they're of the human realm
Dragons are light realm

[ashen ocean]

Seelies are human realm ? Werent they banished from the heavens for their crime ?

And left to rot in the human realm

[slender haven]

Well the PO made them and everything it made was human realm
And we don't even know why they got cast out

They were already in the human realm, they were just cursed to devolve

[frigid lily]

They seem to be related to death

1. The one in Dragonspine is where the Sal Vindagnyr Princess was buried
2. The one in the Chasm has no lore, but when we go past it for the first time Paimon actually mentions it being similar to the one in Dragonspine
3. The one in Tsurumi Island is right next to the Boatman
4. The one in the Eternal Oasis is well, where Nabu Malikata's grave is

They're also silver cypress, which is related to like Hades? I heard it somewhere but I have to check it again jt was a while ago (the underworld in mythology, not Hades the God himself)

[ashen ocean]

To me it is akin to the roots sprouting out to get rid of their abyssal poison

[slender haven]

Well leylines do contain the souls of the living

Maybe that's something important

[ashen ocean]

I think the nails were dropped in desperation to enforce the teyvat laws in that specific region

[frigid lily]

I feel like it is just because of the fact that they are always in places that had celestial nails

[ashen ocean]

The one in liyue

Is the weakest and barely contains

[frigid lily]

Which makes me wonder if there will be one in the Night Kingdom, since there is already a Nail there

[slender haven]

Maybe if we complete all those night totem tasks we'll get to see a branch lol

[ashen ocean]

A breach to the outside world and leylines have been thoroughly poisoned

[frigid lily]

Maybe
But I would have liked them to be acknowledged in a main AQ
I mean I know it won't happen but still

[ashen ocean]

Seelies are described as of the light realm in enka lore and the one Enjou event

[frigid lily]

They are?

[ashen ocean]

Ill revisit them now and check

[ashen ocean]

I count them to be

[slender haven]

Ok

[ashen ocean]

Seelies do counter abyssal influence

[slender haven]

A lot of things do though

[ashen ocean]

My guess is they hosted the wedding of the third descender

[slender haven]

A good a guess as any I suppose

[ashen ocean]

That is the only way the first and second can meet the third

[slender haven]

I think the third was "the one who came after" though

[frigid lily]

I don't think it can be because the one who came after helped create the Gnosis with the remains of the third, no?

[ashen ocean]

Well
I reread that page
Ig human realm beings can still be considered light realm

[slender haven]

Well they helped by offering up their body

Lawyer speak

[frigid lily]

Fair but why the fuck would they do that lol

[slender haven]

Maybe the PO gaslit them into thinking they were the good guy idk
It would make even less sense if it was the second though

[ashen ocean]

Nibelung and PO setting aside their beef to crash the wedding and tear apart the groom

Only the frostmoon scions can clarify

[frigid lily]

Also, about the Seelie curse
It appears that there are like, two curses or something
I don't know, the specifics of the Seelie curses are weird
They say that the curse is activated when a Seelie falls in love, and all Seelies we see today look like that because of said curse
But I feel like there has to be more to it

[slender haven]

Probably

[frigid lily]

Like, as in they also just got cursed in general

No specifics, just an all out punishment for all of them

[slender haven]

I think the Frostmoon Scions might actually worship the Cryo Sovereign lol
The Pyro sovereign was the sun, so the cryo Sovereign was the moon, makes enough sense to me

Plus they got dragon tech

[ashen ocean]

Frostmoon scions do possess some power absent from others in teyvat

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

Would be weird if it were just the same old sovereign power

[slender haven]

I mean Neuvillette was the god of life
Xiuhcoatl had robot servants
They aren't all the same

[frigid lily]

I feel like that power could be something equivalent to the frostglaze crustal I mentioned above

[ashen ocean]

Yohouacoutin is an angel too is she not ?

[frigid lily]

Yes, there were some survivors

[slender haven]

Nabu was too and she was immune

[ashen ocean]

Maybe without the abyssal powers

[frigid lily]

She wasn't immune because she still feared the curse

[slender haven]

Wrong word
I meant she didn't get affected, not immune

[frigid lily]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

Ig that was the punishment

Seelies are programmed to love and serve humanity

But if they cross the line a tad too little they will suffer a slow expiration

[frigid lily]

The way I see it
PO cursed them all in one go which transformed them into the little wispy ones we see
And then the ones who survived still had the curse put into them so they could still be punished in a way

[slender haven]

Yeah all the survivors seem a little distant from humanity

[ashen ocean]

Yohouacoutin was expiring slowly wasnt she

[slender haven]

Yes but that was mainly due to age/abyss

[ashen ocean]

From holding up the NK with her life force or just the curse

[ashen ocean]

Makes sense

[slender haven]

NK

[ashen ocean]

Capitano got a second dunk on the PO himself

Lol

[frigid lily]

Yeah and like
This might sound silly
But Seelies are weird as fuck
Like they really are programmed to serve humans
Like they don't have any will whatsoever
Sybilla fucked Remuria over because she wanted to grant every humans wish, even bad ones
Yohualtecuhtin is fully prepare to sacrifice herself at any moment

[slender haven]

And Nabu game ended herself to get Deshret a nail to study
This destroyed their city

[frigid lily]

Nabu seemed to have a little more will to her
I mean she wanted to overthrow Celestia

[ashen ocean]

I think that is the short tease to the third descender
They overstepped and somehow let Nibelung return

[slender haven]

Yeah but even then she told Deshret to not fuck with them too much
Mixed signals, no wonder he went crazy

[ashen ocean]

She ended herself to give deshret all knowledge ?

She had ?

[slender haven]

That's what one of the artifact sets say iirc

[ashen ocean]

So it was a warning from the heavens rather than to combat the influence forbidden knowledge?

[frigid lily]

But what I specifically mean is
Their love for humanity is a weakness, and humans could have taken advantage of that because of Seelies being higher beings
But also, I feel like, you need to have at least a little bit of agency to actually fall in love
And perhaps thats why the Seelies were cursed
Like, they're supposed to serve all of humanity so falling in love defeats that purpose or whatever
It goes against their weird ass programming, because it means they aren't puppets without any will

[slender haven]

Well it was probably more like there was already one that hit and Nabu just reforged it with her life since it could have broken

She did have time powers after all

[frigid lily]

To add to this kind of, its like with Mavuika being all """"self sacrificial"""" or whatever, and only thinking ahead as a leader, always ready to do what is best for the nation but not taking time to think about what she wants to do
Seelies are essentially programmed as beings to serve humanity and nothing else, they don't really have wills of their own, and falling in love would mean they have a will
Its a dumb comparison but hopefully it kind of makes sense?

Also holly fuck its almost 1 am I need to go to bed

[slender haven]

Yeah so do I probably

[frigid lily]

Can't wait to go to my job tomorrow and get yelled at

[slender haven]

Loveliest and most fulfilling job experience in America

[ashen ocean]

They do have will

Or had at least

[ashen ocean]

I think they are programmed to love and they know it

But the actual line is if they would

Cross the line and help humanity go about the laws of teyvat

Imo since the war of vengeance

The laws have been harsh on humanity in some way the Sal Vindagyr’s people found and tried to defy

Or deshret did

So seelies would naturally cross the line and help

They were originally cursed for going behind the PO’s back and throwing a wedding between their queen and someone else

I need an expert on angels to confirm this

Or correct me if am wrong

Mare’s location

[frigid lily]

41 days until Varesa

[frigid lily]

Neat
I wonder what that island below it is
Probably nothing but it looks interesting

[slender haven]

Could just be like the island Och-Kan blew a hole into
Maybe Waxaklahun wil shoot a big laser beam into it too

[slender haven]

That one Aranara says it's because they loved humanity

Or something like that

[slender haven]

I feel like the Mare Jivari is like in a separate dimension at this point

[frigid lily]

Mare Jivari is really fucking weird
I hope it will actually be a relevant area though

[slender haven]

Yeah, like I speculated before maybe "Natlantea" is there

Since Men of Lithin made it relevant again

[frigid lily]

Idk about that exactly, I feel like we know too little about Natlantea
But it is a really weird place as of now

Actually nvm I guess it does make sense

Remuria was the last area we got and Mare Jivari will be too

And Natlantea is probably inspired by Atlantean which like idk
Wasn't the myth that it dissappeared into the sea?

Just like the Mare Jivari vanished for some reason?

But at the same time men of lithin doesn't seem very relevant and I don't know, I want Mare Jivari to be relevant to the bigger picture of Natlan

[slender haven]

Yeah but the fact that it wasn't just weird mispelling of Natlan is the biggest hint to me

[frigid lily]

Makes you wonder about Khraun-Arya

What was it that Rene had to say about Natlantea again?

[slender haven]

Yeah but the fact the author's name was clearly not Fontainian and the fact no one even knows the author existed

[frigid lily]

Yes that part is very weird

[slender haven]

It was the second cycle where "men triumphed over the evil dragon and the beast within themselves" or something

[ashen ocean]

Read Kinich’s Hill of Silent Crickets log on his stories

[slender haven]

Does it mention Natlantea?

[frigid lily]

No, it mentions the Mare Jivari

[ashen ocean]

It mentions a colony of crickets who lived underneath Mare Jivari

[slender haven]

Yeah that's what I thought

[ashen ocean]

And describe it before the cataclysm

And wars

[frigid lily]

That story is a metaphor

Like the crickets are a metaphor for something else

They weren't literally crickets

[ashen ocean]

And possible bennett origin

[ashen ocean]

Yes

And this is the first time crickets are used to describe something in Genshin is it not

[slender haven]

Ig

[frigid lily]

Don't see how that means anything

[slender haven]

It'd be cool if we found like a full on still alive dragon civilization down there

Maybe the crickets are the dragons?

And the thing that emerged from the black egg is the giant monster?

[ashen ocean]

Fingers crossed to see if it delivers

[ashen ocean]

Eggs again huh

[slender haven]

?

[ashen ocean]

Remember the egg pet we got at the start of 5.0

[slender haven]

We did get an egg in 5.2 not 5.0

Unless you mean the Lil One

He kinda looks like an egg

[ashen ocean]

It got people theorising the firmament around Teyvat is the Egg shell of Phanes

[frigid lily]

Hollow knight reference

[slender haven]

People were speculating that for a while

[ashen ocean]

And i noticed that some of the abyss enemies

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-the-hollow-knight-thk-stab-gif-25367426

[ashen ocean]

Specifically the natlan ones, mimics and gosoytoth

Take an egg like form before “cracking” to transform into something else

Or reveal their true form

[slender haven]

Yeah Gosoythoth turned into an egg before becoming Xiuhcoatl

[frigid lily]

Oh speaking of eggs

Marana's avatar

[ashen ocean]

The egg pet
That we can have and floats around

[frigid lily]

It looks like a cracked egg in appearance

And its still a big mystery honestly

[slender haven]

Yeah
I guess it used to be a bunch of Apep's Children corrupted and congealed into one
Since we find out they turned into those black goop puddles

[frigid lily]

Apep's children are also interesting

[slender haven]

I guess

[slender haven]

Yeah that makes sense

[frigid lily]

Still no update on homdgcat

[tawdry blade]

This go hard

Also with the cryo set design out,Im sure it's for skirk

[plain crane]

Apep is the worst mother in Genshin. The dragons are all terrible parents. Except maybe Az.

[ashen ocean]

Is this a subtle allusion to that

PO was a dragon too

Dragons did explore the stars at some point

Beyond the light realm

Nah too much of a stretch

[frigid lily]

39 days until Varesa

[ashen ocean]

38 days left until Skirk kit leak

[slender haven]

Neuvillette?

[tawdry blade]

He only take good care of Melusine,those Vishap isn't safe from Traveler

[frigid lily]

Item description of new boss material

Sorry the image is loading

[ashen ocean]

Skirk set still doesnt have any lore smh

[ashen ocean]

EVOLUTION LORE

[frigid lily]

It takes usually a week or two for artifact lore and weapon lore

5.5 is out on honey impact btw

There's some interesting WQ stuff

I'll post it here soon

New books

None are readable currently

Icon for the new area, with achievements

They're in chinese though

The icon reminds me of Azhdaha's horns

Mataror monetoo? 🤔

Reminds me of the original pyro archon design

[ashen ocean]

so around v2 - v3

[frigid lily]

Yeah

[lyric dove]

Not horns

The achievement icon is this

[frigid lily]

I know, but I just mean it reminded me of that

Apparently Xianyun and Varesa don't work really well together
Sad
I'm still putting them together in a team regardless

[slender haven]

Ah so it seems like the PO's fuckery with the original elements has prevented "dragons" from naturally coming into existence again seemingly
Makes me more curious about the adepti since they're pure elemental beings and arose naturally.

[zealous rune]

VARESA LEAKS PLS

[frigid lily]

Plenty of them already in the main subreddit

I'll post them hold on

[zealous rune]

Yayyy thank you

I've already started saving

[frigid lily]

I already have enough for her but same, adore her design, my favorite Natlan character as of now

[frigid lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/4ayW9hqTuS

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/NR8E1RhrQM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/de2aM8F5Tu

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/xk6pDPkdU3

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/NeLo7j0VBr

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/V6KCKs6C88

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/xgXQ5iUMNN

Ok here are all the ones I could currently find

[zealous rune]

I'm f2p so i probably won't get much 😭

I just started playing again and now I'm saving

Took me two months to get pulls for hu tao🗣️

And i SOMEHOW got staff of homa too

When is varesa coming

[frigid lily]

Next patch

Don't know if its first half of second half

But there will be plenty of primogems with the new area supposedly

[zealous rune]

I haven't done natlan since the first area

[frigid lily]

Oh, so you'll be able to get plenty of gems then
Will take a bit of grinding though

[zealous rune]

I've gotten 2000 today

I NEED that hu tao skin so bad

[frigid lily]

The Hu Tao skin costs actual money though lol you do know that right?

[zealous rune]

Yeah that's why i can't get it😭

I'm ar like 56 I have knowledge 🗣️

[plain crane]

It's not really the PO, it's Vishap abandoning the natural evolutionary path and adopting other elements.

[tawdry blade]

It was said by the dragon sage,they are just adapting so I'm sure PO didn't even care or fucked up whatever "original" element mean,he didn't even bother to make dragon/Vishap extinct

It was half the sovereign fault for trying to use forbidden knowledge/abyss that lead to their kind's demise

[slender haven]

Well they can't evolve naturally from the elements either
That's where the dragons came from to begin with

[slender haven]

The HP tried to make the dragons extinct, it's just that went into hiding and survived and now the HP is too weak/stupid to do anything

[tawdry blade]

To be fair,even if they went hiding,what stopping HP from established a law that make them keep hiding forever and never come back

Or just force people to kill them insight

Like a villain instead of destroy the world they just want to see people suffering until some random ass guy beat him

[plain crane]

They could if they remained elementally pure, but they didn't. That's a problem for them. Not really the PO's problem.

[slender haven]

They have a rule of no interference going I guess since they got pissed at Ronova for trying to help someone

[slender haven]

That just prevents the pyro sovereign from being born among them, not literally no pyro vishaps can ever exist ever again

[tawdry blade]

That would be weird if they really want a race to extinct like you said earlier,I get the sovereign can reborn at one point and make more but there is many way to prevent it,but seem like they had no intention to,they let Apep walk free after injuring her too

[slender haven]

Well that was after the War of Vengeance
That seems to be when the "no interference" rule came into play since before they apparently ruled directly over Teyvat

Before that it doesn't seem likely the dragons would just live peacefully with the angels

Apep wasn't even intentionally injured, she was just trying to get more FK before the Nail dropped and indirectly stopped her

[tawdry blade]

Huh,I thought Apep was trying to get more before getting nailed on and clean all the FK in her

[slender haven]

No it just hit the forest in general and Apep got caught in the blast

[tawdry blade]

If that rule is a thing , they're neutral to each other I guess

In 5.5 there is new team wipeout message,"death by under the golden light" , 5.5 lore will be insane with the finale of Little One

[slender haven]

Phanes just hates it when their people aren't dying

[slender haven]

Wonder what boss fight we're going to get

[tawdry blade]

Teyvat is a social experiment set up by them

[slender haven]

Phanes is Mr Beast
"Whoever gets closest to overthrowing me will get 1 million dollars!"

[frigid lily]

38 days until Varesa

[frigid lily]

Can I be 100% honest
I don't think the little buddy world quest is going to give much lore, like at all
If it does, it won't be lore regarding anything actually important

[frigid lily]

Description of new world boss

[slender haven]

In expecting at least one lore drop on Nibelung since Natlan has been foreshadowing him for a while now, maybe we can also get more lore on the other mystery sovereigns we don't know like if Dvalin and Azdaha are ones or something
Maybe we'll even get more angel crumbs since Waxaklahun is all about how races fall apart or succeed

[frigid lily]

I only really care about Angel crumbs, but I don't think he'll give us any
But yeah he'll probably like, give a single mention of Nibelung or something

[slender haven]

Interesting, can't tell if the reavers are the PO or Nibelung though

[slender haven]

He might give mention on how they all died besides Xiuhcoatl eating them in Natlan

[frigid lily]

Probably but thats not new info

[slender haven]

He could elaborate and reveal something new

[frigid lily]

Ehh doubt it if I'm honest
Would be cool though

[slender haven]

Also some confirmation on if the black dragon in those murals are Nibelung
They probably are but just someone out and saying it would be nice
I also hope he talks about Khaenri'ah and why they can use elements naturally

We'll have to wait and see though

[frigid lily]

Yes Khaenri'ah is a big thing
But I feel like that is too important to be mentioned in a world quest
I think it will probably be relevant in an AQ better

[slender haven]

I mean they're no strangers to revealing some crazy shit in world quests
Example: Primordial One

[frigid lily]

Fair

But even so

Idk what Khaenri'ah has to do with this

Seems like copium in regards to a certain character

[slender haven]

My theory is that Nibelung founded Khaenri'ah in some form and "evolved" the humans there and that's why they're so strong naturally
Like Capitano

[frigid lily]

Thats probably what happened

But then what about Dainsleif

[slender haven]

He has abyss magic

[frigid lily]

And the fact that the ring he's wearing may or may not be the ring of Nibelung

[slender haven]

Well Nibelung could have made a ring too
He could do both evolution and rings

[frigid lily]

Well
Apparently, according to some old cbt stuff
The ring that Dainsleif wears is what stops his abyss corruption

[slender haven]

Oh we also got the entrance to Khaenri'ah in a word quest

[slender haven]

Well we know that draconic power can resist the abyss to some extent like with Och-Kan's powers

And also erosion with time possibly

[frigid lily]

Erosion is weird
It hasn't been relevant since Liyue

[slender haven]

Ei's whole thing is that she was super paranoid about erosion?

[frigid lily]

Its barely a psrt of her character

I mean they say Makoto died due to erosion

[slender haven]

Also Capitano is a rotted corpse and Yohual was dying of erosion too

[frigid lily]

But never explain further

[slender haven]

They did?

[slender haven]

Does that not count as relevant?

[frigid lily]

Idk
Considering they do a shit job at mentioning

Erosion does have to do with memory loss though

So I guess there's that

That reminds me

[slender haven]

They don't have to bring it up every ten seconds

[frigid lily]

Didn't say that

[slender haven]

Ah ok

[frigid lily]

This is very random but I still find that it fits
Its from the Shimenawa's reminisce artifact set

[slender haven]

I think that's just metaphor for how losing your memory is essentially the death of your identity

Not literally if you die it's always because of erosion

[frigid lily]

I wasn't talking about it in relation to erosion exactly
Just death in general

And yes, even though its a "metaphor"

[slender haven]

Oh ok

[frigid lily]

It could still be somewhat relevant

Idk
I mean, someone losing their memories and becoming a completely different person
Or having memories inserted into them
Etc
I feel like somehow that will become relevant in Natlan
Wouldn't surprise me

I don't really know how to explain it up

*but

Its like the whole Narzissenkreuz quest again

With everyone being a mix of different memories

[slender haven]

That kinda happened in the recent Dain quest
And Wanderer temporarily became a new person when he got memory wiped

[frigid lily]

Yes, thats what I mean

Especially with Wanderer

[slender haven]

I do think someone is going to have memories inserted into them to turn them into someone else
Well kind of

[frigid lily]

Before the shithole that was Incadescent Ode of Resurrection, I thought that the "Resurrection" that would happen in that chapter wouldn't be a literal Resurrection, as in someone coming back from the dead, but a resurrection of memories
So like, someone who became a different person because of memories getting their memories back and thus being "resurrected"

[slender haven]

Well the Mavy Sueika allegations were revived

[frigid lily]

Fair

I find it so amazing, that she's such a shit character

That people have been making up theories to justify why she's good at everything

Instead of just accepting it as bad writing

Like, I loved that theory that she's the way she is because she's a revived copy of Mavuika with only her best traits

But even with good evidence that theory is immediately thrown out the garbage bin because that would actually be an incredibly smart twist

Which hoyo would never do

[slender haven]

Yeah like she's just a storybook for children version of herself

[frigid lily]

It would have been great

[slender haven]

The real answer is that Da Wei jorks it to her and he's a prude who can't beat it to morally flawed characters

[frigid lily]

Especially because Irminsul and memory alteration has that whole thing about writing metaphorical stories to keep the past from not being erased

[slender haven]

And we literally got a story book version of Guthred in 5.3
That is never going to come back up again

[frigid lily]

Guthred is fucking weird
But whats weirder is the concoction he made to stop the abyss sickness thing
I feel like if there's one thing that they'll bring up about him its that concoction
Because we were just casually giving it to people
Even Kachina's Saurian
My prediction is that the people who took the potion are going to either fucking die or go even more insane and then we'll have to find out why that's the case

[slender haven]

That'd just be an excuse for the devs to shit on Capitano some more and have Mavuika call him an idiot before effortlessly fixing it
So they are definitely going to do that

[frigid lily]

I'd actually like that if it made people hate Mavuika even more

[slender haven]

Mavuika stans will delusion themselves into having it make sense somehow

[frigid lily]

I don't care about having Mavuika stans not like her
I care about making people that don't have strong opinions on her to start hating her

[slender haven]

Ah yes, the swing state fans, smart move

I do think the draught is going to come back though but just not like that
Essentially like I think Capitano is going to come back corrupted by the abyss but then he's going to get the draught and be restored so it'd be his comrades saving him like how he saved them or something
I'm not concrete on it though

[frigid lily]

I still think Capitano is going to turn out to be an entirely different person but that's just because I honestly don't care about his character anymore
No offense

[slender haven]

I only blame you a little

I was really proud of that mimic theory...

[frigid lily]

I was kind of proud of my alien theory
But I couldn't even call it a theory because it was based of an old story leak

[slender haven]

It was technically the same theory since the Mimesis are aliens and all lol

[frigid lily]

Fair but my theory was that Capitano was from another world
So a little different

[slender haven]

Yeah

[tawdry blade]

Why is this channel highlighted when there is no new message

[hasty narwhal]

probably bots getting deleted

[tawdry blade]

Lol,new electro traveler skill,giga electro dullblade from the sky

It would have been cooler than current EMC burst

[ashen ocean]

So its confirmed that slirk is 5.7 now

Skirk*

[frigid lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/pt0PPwRxAc

[crude garden]

That's Monolith, right?

[frigid lily]

Wdym?

[crude garden]

the black cube behind varessa, i think it's something like in the lore of the book man of lithin.

[frigid lily]

Thats a placeholder thing, not finished lol

[tawdry blade]

Look like there will be heat mechanic like signora fight ,it kinda like tornado area where sometime you have low visibility in the sandstorm

||https://imgur.com/a/XxsjJuF||

[lone sable]

im sorry what

[ashen ocean]

lmao

[frigid lily]

I am thinking about Columbina

I do not know why

Its such a weird feeling because

Knowing my love for Seelie lore Columbina should be my favorite character considering she is very very likely to be a Seelie and yet
I don't like her

You know somehow I'm still very stubborn on the fact that I don't think she will be a full fledged Angel
Like she'll be related to them yes but I don't know
It could be a Kokomi situation again
I mean we were all so sure that she was going to be the Hydro Sovereign when that turned out to not be the case

I don't knw

*know

I just don't like Columbina, but I love Seelie lore
Columbina being a Seelie would ruin Seelie lore for me, and Seelie lore is literally the only thing that I'm looking forward to

Aside from my lovely cutie patootie Varesa

I do not know what Columbina being an Angel would bring to her charactet tbh

[slender haven]

I have a theory that she's a Frostmoon scion actually and not a Angel
And that the Scions actually worship the Cryo Sovereign

But yeah Columbina is pretty overrated

[frigid lily]

What is a frostmoon scion exactly, I have been hearing that name pop up

[slender haven]

They were brought up in that recent event where you talk to a girl from Nod-Krai
She talks about this weird group who hang out on an island with secret source tech and can do magic. They also worship a moon god whose statues are apparently all over the place.

People think it might be one of the three Moon sisters but the secret source tech is the part that makes things weird

So my idea was that since the pyro sovereign was the sun, the cryo sovereign is the moon

[frigid lily]

Interesting

I can kind of see it, I mean Columbina will have relations to the moon sisters regardless if she's a Seelie or not thats for sure

But I feel like its too "obvious" that she will be an Angel

[slender haven]

Yeah but it is Hoyoverse

[frigid lily]

We know very little about her, but going off her design its kind of obvious
I mean yeah, there are murals we see that showcase the Seelies and what they look like and she doesn't look like them but even so
Plus her consteallation being the crying dove and all

[slender haven]

I'm just waiting excitedly to see all her fans be disappointed when she isn't a biblically accurate angel and has a skimpy outfit

[frigid lily]

Though her constellation could be proof that she isn't an angel, idk, can Angels have constellations?

[slender haven]

Did I tell you my theory that the Dove could be Capitano instead?
I don't really believe but it's just food for thought

[slender haven]

If a robot can then why not

[frigid lily]

I think I heard you mention it

[tawdry blade]

Everyone have constellation

It whether it is controlled by higher being or not

Arlecchino is not under the fate system but she has it,she control her own fate

[frigid lily]

Neuvilette doesn't
But yes I agree, as I said it was just food for thought

[tawdry blade]

He doesn't? Then how do people get c1

Traveler isn't tied to the system but they have it

[frigid lily]

In lore I mean

[slender haven]

Yeah
It mainly has to do with the Dove crying which connects it to Pierro, a fellow Eclipse survivor
Also doves are also representatives of Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit and they appeared when He got baptized or "born again" in the River Jordan
Capitano similarly is also going to get born again hopefully

[frigid lily]

If you read his lore you'll know that it isn't actually a real constellation, he doesn't have one

[tawdry blade]

I guess but I feel like everyone should have it, just most of them in Teyvat can't decide their own fate

[tawdry blade]

I care little about sovereign

[slender haven]

Well it is a constellation it just doesn't work like any other constellation since it doesn't dictate his fate
He mainly just has it to like...show off I guess

[frigid lily]

Also, another thing about Seelies, some of them are Gods, but others aren't
Nabu and Yohul are Gods, Sybilla isn't
Not particularly proof of anything but I wanted to mention it nonetheless

In regards to Columbina, the first thing I always remember is that one old CBT voiceline on her

I know that CBT voicelines aren't to be trusted, but I feel like they couldn't have changed that much of her backstory

And assuming that some of that stuff from those voicelines remain true, then there's one thing to consider that prove she's not an angel, that being the fact that she's apparently 450 years old

[slender haven]

I feel like they're all gods

Scbilla was just just super weakened

[frigid lily]

More interestingly, the CBT thing said she was from Natlan, and heavily implied that she has memory loss going on and we know that people from Natlan get memory loss when they leave, so there's that

[tawdry blade]

Memory loss and is a nerd damn

[frigid lily]

We'll have to learn more about these frostmoon scion people, there could be a chance Columbina is one of them, but I do feel that as of now it kind of makes more sense that she'd be an Angel, even if I dislike the possibility

[tawdry blade]

Seelie built different

[slender haven]

Hm yeah

Maybe we'll get a Nod-Krai artifact set in 5.8 or something

[tawdry blade]

5.7 more likely

[slender haven]

Maybe

[tawdry blade]

But it is probably trash just like Sumeru 3rd artifact set

[frigid lily]

Also, I mean there are NPCs in Natlan and what not (mostly from the Night wind clan) that like share "similarities" with Columbina's design, but by that I mean that a lot of them have white feathers in their design and thats not much really
Also in the manga the chief of Vanessa's tribe had a headdress with white feathers as well
Anyways I'm just spitballing, I really want Seelie lore

[slender haven]

But we're getting an artifact set in 5.5 so idk
Maybe we just don't have 6 artifact sets per region any more

[slender haven]

I don't remember them having white feathers

Natlan NPCs I nean

[frigid lily]

Some of them do
Like white feathers that are colored, let me get an example

[tawdry blade]

I don't mind it,it mean newer character kit will be less niche,eg current Natlanese using obsidian set for dps

[slender haven]

So colorful feathers?
Just say colored feathers

[frigid lily]

Yeah I should have said that

[slender haven]

Yeah I guess but I just really like artifact lore -_-

They also give metric fucktons of info

Except that one Geo set in 4.3

That one was weird

[tawdry blade]

Would be more appropriate to put NodKrai artifact somewhere over there,not an abandoned hell landscape

[slender haven]

We got an Ochkanatlan set in Petrichor

[frigid lily]

Ok so this is what I mean
As I said, its a shit piece of "evidence" but I wanted to point it out anyways

[tawdry blade]

[slender haven]

Fair enough
Ironically enough I also have a feather related theory in relation to one of the harbingers

[frigid lily]

I feel like Capitano's revival will definetely involve the Seelies in someway considering that Yohualtecuhtin is one

[tawdry blade]

Assuming NodKrai won't have new element like people thought,the artifact set can be in Mare Jivari

[frigid lily]

Which could mean Columbina will help, assuming she's the Harbringer that will come to Natlna

[slender haven]

Yeah, one thought I had was that maybe Cap when he comes back gets some of Yohual's divinity to help prevent his new body from rotting again

Or to help purify him if he comes back from the abyss like I think is going to happen

[frigid lily]

NodKrai's new "element" will probably be something like a new nightsoul mechanic

[tawdry blade]

Yeah I think that to,or more like pneuma and ousia

[slender haven]

Yeah, a lot of people think they're going to have an element exclusive to one region for some reason

[frigid lily]

Well Seelies have abyss purification abilities
Or at least Nabu Malikata did

[slender haven]

Yeah it's possible

[slender haven]

That's where I'm coming from

Capitano could also maybe make azosite with his new Leyline powers

I'm hoping that new red and black artifact set might give us more Capitano/Khaenri'ah lore

[tawdry blade]

Capitano can already control element without other source of power,I don't think "leyline power" will prove to be useful or matter

[frigid lily]

Thats what I'm thinking too but I just think it will give us crimson moon lore if anything

[slender haven]

It could help purify the abyss more

[slender haven]

Yeah but most artifacts sets usually foreshadow something in the future or explain something in the lore that is concurrent
So unless we're getting a new area in relation to the CM dynasty soon then I doubt it

[frigid lily]

That's true
But Crimson Moon Dynasty does kind of tie in to Ronova's lore, so there's that

[slender haven]

Sort of
There's also Natlantea which could tie into Khaenri'ah lore

[frigid lily]

Natlantea is rlly weird as of now

[tawdry blade]

May be Traveler somehow gain new power and now can cure his curse and give him immunity to abyss

[slender haven]

Mhm but I think it's in the Mare Jivari

[slender haven]

If you cure his curse then he'd die

Yohual too maybe

[frigid lily]

This is true, but also, wasn't Caribert's father (forgot the name) able to get rid of his curse?
That's something to think about

[slender haven]

Yeah but we don't know how
It was probably with abyss magic though

So I don't think Cap would approve

[frigid lily]

That's likely to be the case considering Natlantea is the Natlan equivalent of Remuria, and Remuria was released last

[slender haven]

Well the Mare Jivari would be like Petrichor in this case since it's covering up the "Remuria" equivalent

But yeah

[frigid lily]

That is true, but its still worth mentioning

[slender haven]

There's also that weird fountain in the Chasm

[frigid lily]

Mare Jivari also has a lot to do with souls also, so I kind of expect more Night Kingdom lore as well
Since by now I've basically accepted that they're only gonna acknowledge the Night Kingdom's divine nail in Nod Krai, lol.

[frigid lily]

That fountain is pretty damn odd

[slender haven]

Yeah Waxaklahun might tell us about the nail though

[frigid lily]

I fucking hope he does

[tawdry blade]

If nahida can't read memories in Mare Jivari,can Night Kingdom even reached there?

[slender haven]

Waxaklahun is just the end all be all for all our Natlan lore needs lmao

[slender haven]

I think the Mare Jivari is in a separate dimension now or something

[frigid lily]

We know that there was a miniature night kingdom created there 500 years ago

The fact that the Mare Jivari disappeared only 20-30 years ago is odd

[slender haven]

Maybe we'll get more answers when we see the place where the Mare used to be
Since there's apparently a settlement there now

[frigid lily]

Actually, speaking of the Mare Jivari
Did you actually read Mizuki's line about Mavuika?
I joked about how it was her glazing her and all but the voiceline is unironically pretty interesting
Basically Mizuki says she's not strong enough to see Mavuika's dreams, and the description of what she saw when she went in Mavuika's dreams kind of reminded me of the Mare Jivari's description

[slender haven]

I just sort of thought it meant that she's literally part fire now so her mind is also part fire

[tawdry blade]

It might be Chasm situation actually

Like how you need permission to enter the mine

[slender haven]

Mhm, idk if we'll get any answers on it though

[slender haven]

Permission from who? The Abyss?

[frigid lily]

Its been 3 years, we won't lol

[tawdry blade]

Tribal people

[slender haven]

Idk we just finally got back to Chiyo's lore of all things in Inazuma

[slender haven]

They don't know how to get there either

[tawdry blade]

I mean like how we have to unseal the gate to the chasm,we might unlocked a portal doing wq there

[frigid lily]

Chasm still remains to be the area with the most mysteries, we still don't know what the hell was up with that suspicious letter for example
And the two abyss mages, Agniss and Egill their names were

[slender haven]

Maybe Enjou will help us that'd be fun

[frigid lily]

He's pretty into stuff about evoltion, I'd bet he'd love Natlantea lote

[slender haven]

Also he loves descender lore and I'm hoping we get more Nibelung crumbs in there too

[frigid lily]

Descender lore is what we need right now
I can't believe we didn't get any

[slender haven]

Yeah

[frigid lily]

Also, we might get some moon sister lore in 5.5

[slender haven]

With the big dragon relic in the sky?

[frigid lily]

Apparently one of the new areas in the volcano is called star field something idk

[frigid lily]

That als

[slender haven]

Hm, interesting

[frigid lily]

That still reminds me of how Ubah Kan was looking into info on the moon palace

[slender haven]

Oh yeah in that one story

He also said like the Jersey stones or whatever

[frigid lily]

Yeah
But that was like, more so to show how the story was fictious
I mean they called Yohualtecuhtin a he for one

[slender haven]

Yeah but I was just adding on to what you said

Waxa does mention the "stallions in the true sky" or something in one of his notes too

[frigid lily]

One horned white horse lore maybe lol
Or idk pegasus lore
The note in the chasm mentions pegasus I'm pretty sure

Also, wiki updatef

[slender haven]

Yeah I saw that too

[frigid lily]

I still don't think all those titles belong to Yohuk

[slender haven]

Nah we ain't getting that till later lol

[frigid lily]

Father in black definetely has to be someone else

[slender haven]

They belong to her brother Bobualtebuhtin

[frigid lily]

There's also this

[slender haven]

Maybe Yohual is actually just a "wayob" of Seelie who combined into one

[frigid lily]

Even more interesting is that one of these deities was Mictlantecutli, who is the God of Death/Lord of Mictlan and who Capitano shares a lot of similarities with

[frigid lily]

Maybe
Wayobs are also a big mystery still I feel

[slender haven]

Well it technically came true in a way

[frigid lily]

Yesh

*yeah

[slender haven]

Not to me
They're the collective consciousnesses of their tribes and also the combination of their souls or something

Idk what's more to add

[frigid lily]

Fair enough

Its more so due to the fact that they are what protect the people from the abyss and what not

I'm more so thinking it in regards to Capitano's possible resurrection

[slender haven]

I have a theory that Capitano's soul could just be in the night kingdom killing all the remaining abyss influence and maybe spreading his rules to the other Leylines as well
And his final goal is the Mare Jivari since it's still a hotbed for the Abyss

[frigid lily]

Mavuika still said that she was going to change some stuff in the Night Kingdom, so I wonder how that will work

I just want more Thrain lore personally

I wanna know how he joined the Fatui

[slender haven]

Remove all evidence of Capitano so she can take all the credit for fixing it

When the Traveler finds out they'll approve and try to help, the game will present this as the correct thing to do

[slender haven]

Same

[frigid lily]

You know I've been thinking about the name in the Pyro Gemstone description because thats still a mystery
It says "if the intention yet remains achieve ■■ truth he has"
And I wonder if its like, if Capitano's intention for sacrificing himself still remains he will end up learning the truth about whatever this blank name is
I'm more convinced its some kind of thing than a person, it could just be the truth of the abyss for all we know
Or the "truth of this world"

[slender haven]

Yeah I think maybe he'll take in some kind of abyssal knowledge or something and that's how he'll find out

Since his heart was made to take in knowledge after all

[frigid lily]

In the Simulanka event there was the side quest with Kirara with the narrator guy and the three toy guys, and in the end the narrator guy reveals that he knew that the world (simulanka) wasn't real and he had this huge existential crisis about it and for some reason I think that it will tie in to it

[slender haven]

Yeah that was odd

There's also the throne that the Traveler has to try three times to get up from

[frigid lily]

Oh shit you're right

And then Capitano's constellation is the three nails

And then there's also the rule of three hmmm

[slender haven]

And Jesus took three days to resurrect

[frigid lily]

Honestly I'm still convinced Capitano is going to turn out to be someone completely different but even so idk,
There's a million ways the story could go with all of these ley lines stuff
I just think that there's some major timeline fuckery going on in Natlan and that we'll find out about it and it will tie in to how we bring Capitano back
Honestly I think that we'll redo Incadescent Ode of Resurrection. Like, the events of Nod Krai will end up tying back to all of the mysteries in Natlan, and then we'll go back to the past and redo Incadescent Ode of Resurrection

And this time the title will make sense because we will actually be reviving someone

[slender haven]

Well I'm still thinking that Capitano will forcibly merge with the abyss to contain it in himself using some special power and that's how he comes back

[frigid lily]

Now what I'm wondering is, if we go by the fatui wheel theory, Columbina is next, and then we get Capitano
Will we fight Capitano in Nod Krai or Snezhnaya I wonder

[slender haven]

We keep getting stuff about mimicry and the abyss "reviving" things from the dead even in the latest event so Cap exploiting that to come back would be pretty badass

[slender haven]

Well if my Dove theory is true then Natlan but since it probably isn't then idk

Probably Nod-Krai and not Sneznahya though

Since Sneznahya should be like Pierro or the Tsaritsa or something

Maybe the Tsaritsa will climb on Pierro's back and we get Promised Consort Pierro lol

[frigid lily]

I just want to know why he would want to come back
I know that in your view Capitano doesn't seem like the type to just "accept death" and all that but I don't see it (with all due respect)
He seemed pretty content with sacrificing himself and finally resting after giving the biggest middle finger to Ronova, so I'd imagine something really huge would have to happen to make him want to come back
And come back to start working with the Fatui again most importantly
Yes Ronova isn't dead, so the most obvious answer would be that he'd want to come back to finish where he left off and finally bring her down for good but I don't know
I guess I'm thinking it in regards to the actual Snezhnaya chapter, because I don't think Snezhnaya chapter will only focus on Pierro and the Tsaritsa
And if he's the last one we have to fight and all that then

[frigid lily]

I'm too dumb to know what that means explain pls
I searched up and its an elden ring boss

[slender haven]

It's an Elden Ring boss where a newly awakened god climbs up on his half brother's back and powers him up
It's the hardest boss in the game

[frigid lily]

Cool

[slender haven]

Well maybe the Tsaritsa has a vested desire in changing the rules of the Leylines which is very likely all things considered so Capitano might have to come back in order to fulfill that

[slender haven]

You'd like Elden Ring lore I think

[frigid lily]

I'd have to play the game though and I hear its hard so

[slender haven]

There are a bunch of ways to make it easy if you look them up
But I digress yeah Sneznahya won't be all about Pierro and Tsaritsa but they'll just be the main guys y'know?

[frigid lily]

Ok but he literally asked her perimission to idk go away from the gnosis duty and all that
So thats what confuses me

[slender haven]

Well he probably gave her his Leyline plan and she approved

So

[frigid lily]

Yeah probably
I just hope they don't fuck it up

[slender haven]

I hope so too

I just hope they keep him cryo and not abyssal like a lot of FatuiHQ is yapping about

[frigid lily]

Haven't gone to fatuiHQ

[slender haven]

Good

[frigid lily]

So idk whats happening there

[slender haven]

I like to share my theories there sometimes since most of them are fatui related but it's nothing too crazy

A lot of people hate on Natlan there though so you'd be at home for the most part

[frigid lily]

My one hope for Snezhnaya is that it doesn't turn into a plot where the Traveler makes the Tsaritsa fall in love with him or some bullshit because of her being the goddess of love and all

[slender haven]

Yeah that would suck ass

[frigid lily]

Big emphasis on the most part
All I keep hearing is that they're shitting on my girl Varesa and that's enough for me to stay away

[slender haven]

Oh yeah they hate Varesa
I did see a funny meme about her being a harbinger though...before they deleted it

[frigid lily]

I do wonder how they'll do the Tsaritsa's whole goddess of love thing though
They killed Signora because of Roland, and I don't think the CN simps will like the thought of the Tsaritsa having a possible lover before
I mean there's nothing saying that "goddess of love needs to have lost a lover" but its the most obvious thing that comes to mind lol.
I just don't want her to be waifuized, ironic from me the #1 Ei and Varesa lover but still

[slender haven]

Well if she's a Bronya then they might give her a Seele expy who they slyly ship her with but besides that I think it's just going to be a 'I love my people so much" type of love and not romantic

I do think it's going to turn out the og archon had a lover though and the Tsaritsa is their kid

[frigid lily]

Probably

But I wonder how'd that affect her backstory

[slender haven]

Well her being half human could explain why Pierro and Capitano serve her so willingly

[frigid lily]

Thats true
They hate the Gods and all

[slender haven]

Yup

And cryo is all about contradictions and what not

[ashen ocean]

How is it full of contradictions

[tawdry blade]

Since Capi can only change the rule about which soul can return to the leyline because of his special heart ,fusion with Lord Night and this only applied to Natlan's Leyline , other soul from another region will or will not know because there is 100% distance limit on how they can sense the door to afterlife,which is Capitano, I think it will be Nahida,Capitano ,Traveler and probably Venti is required to change the Leyline rule without destroying the Irminsul. The Gnosis might also be used since it can be used to make a net , mostly to protect the Leyline temporary

Imagine "boatman" make a comeback in Mare Jivari though,him returning might give some interesting lore

[slender haven]

I mean like thematics
Kaeya is torn between two kingdoms
Ganyu is torn between being an adeptus and a human
Same with Shenhe but just flipped
And Citlali is an old lady who looks young

[slender haven]

Or so we think

[tawdry blade]

I'd say the same for Nahida ability

[slender haven]

She's just kind of made from Irminsul though and she has a tough time fully understanding it/manipulating it from what we've seen though

[ashen ocean]

Isnt wanderer made from irminsul too

[slender haven]

No

Nahida was literally made from a tree branch broken off from Irminsul
Wanderer was just Scaramouche placed into some other part of the world

[ashen ocean]

Not that

The puppet body

Was made of irminsul bark

Was it not

[slender haven]

We don't know what's made of, Wanderer's lore says Ei used her own body to partially make the Shogun though
IDK where Ei would have gotten irminsul bark

[ashen ocean]

Aashikai mentions it in her latest video

Idk where to look for it

[slender haven]

I think she's probably referring to Nahida saying he's "made out of white wood" in that story tale version of Scara's backstory during Inversion of Genesis

But it's a fairytale so it's hard to say how true it is

[tawdry blade]

I mean,genshin lore isn't always direct, made of white wood could mean something else

Also his body definitely change a lot during Dottore experiment on him

And Dottore don't have the required material to put Scaramoche back to his original body

Unless he took the "white wood" from smaller Irminsul branch

[slender haven]

Yeah, could just mean he has some divine magic in him

Since white wood is a symbol of purity

[frigid lily]

Ok I'm thinking of seelie lore again as always
And it got me thinking about eyes
Eyes are like pretty prominent right now
For one we have Ronova
But also
Khaenri'ah people have those star shaped pupils as well
And that reminded me of Nabu Malikata
Because in the dirge of bilqis "cutscene" where Traveler sees her
The description of her eyes describe them as being empty
And that kind of reminded me of Columbina and how her eyes are closed
Even though I don't think she's a Seelie I still feel thats worth mentioning

[tawdry blade]

Eyes are cool even in video games and film,it is no wonder genshin has a bunch,just that after Ronova reveal they started to adding more eyes design,like Nightmare in Mizuki quest

Why would Colum hide her eye though, nothing to hide people about her identity especially when she is already in a criminal group,they won't judge

Perhaps she is Medusa,instead of turning people to stone(cuz zhongli already do that) she freeze them ,so she keep her eyes closed to avoid friendly fire

[frigid lily]

Ehhhh I can't see it

[slender haven]

Pantalone also keeps his eyes closed
Pantalone an angel confirmed

[frigid lily]

Not what I was saying

[slender haven]

I was joking

[frigid lily]

I just think its an interesting detail

[slender haven]

Yeah

[lone sable]

The event story was decent but the EN voices for the npcs were so

lame

The only npcs dialogue I didn’t skip was ioroi

and one women in Inazuma city

[frigid lily]

Event story was peak because Ei was in it

Also I don't play on EN so

[slender haven]

Are there any leaks on who Wriothesley is gonna rerun with?

[ashen ocean]

Uncle Hoyo said it was furina

Take it with a grain of salt

And charlotte, Mika and chongyun

[lime yacht]

That "Parry mechanic" from Mikawa festival story tells me bout the mechanics for Skirk based on that "leaked" new cryo artifact.

[tawdry blade]

Traveler has that since 3.x

Or Inazuma swordfighting event specifically

I thought it was teasing future traveler ability but whatever

[lime yacht]

Yeah

[tawdry blade]

Also that kit would be ass because some anime took like 4 seconds to hit you

Enemy

Beidou required skill but jn regular team rotation,it is hard to time it right

[lime yacht]

Same to Yunjin

[hasty narwhal]

also why skirk when we have other 5 stars to come before her

[lime yacht]

yeah, like that. kinda they're cooking something

most of the newly mechanics in the game seems have a connection for the future usage.

[tawdry blade]

Well,my point is that it isn't a new mechanic

And the artifact set look more like a NA DPS than Parry/Elemental Skill dps

But a parry DPS would be perfect for someone like Skirk,just wondering how it will play out

Parrying=NA damage increase? Sound annoying to play,not only that,if you activate all the buff and failed to parry,it would be DPS lost. But I am not surprised if she is above ayaka in DPS because the best cryo DPS would be someone else

[tawdry blade]

These so called dragon look more like a fish

[slender haven]

Ah ok, just wanted the 4 stars

[slender haven]

They also used it in a nightsoul totem challenge

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,good thing they use it again

Suck that the boss was easy to parry

[slender haven]

Both have scales, close enough

[slender haven]

Yeah, I thought it was going to like turn into Ei or something and we'd have to parry her
That would have been fun

[tawdry blade]

Speaking of her,when she parried the monster,it got slow down for some reason and shade of time did appeared in her SQ2

[slender haven]

I think that's just supposed to be dramatic effect

[ashen ocean]

Parry could max out stacks or give a damage multiplier / atk bonus / na speed increase

[tawdry blade]

One thing about weapon of mass destruct is how can they know it can do all that? Before we didn't know what nuke are capable of until we actually testing them.

[ashen ocean]

Never ask what happens in the dark sea

Jk

Maybe they tested it elsewhere

[tawdry blade]

Well, it "can" so yeah

Scientist know nuke can go boom,just not how effective it is

Also why created a weapon to destroy your own land,what is pyro sovereign logic behind the weapon

I think the dragon don't search for another world because they will most likely get hunt or enslaved

Knowing how shitty Imaginary Tree world are

[ashen ocean]

But they did

Go explore

Ig the super weapon was used before , like before PO to reshape the light realm

So they know natlan would not make it

[frigid lily]

Wait, Natlantea was before po came??

Also no Seelie lore I'm pissed

[ashen ocean]

Where is the lore bits of Natlantea ?

[ashen ocean]

the sky reavers IS the seelie lore

[frigid lily]

In a new book in 5.4

[ashen ocean]

tbh

[frigid lily]

Explain

[ashen ocean]

oh, the men of lithlin

[frigid lily]

Yes

Its weird for it to be before po came because

Natlantea had humans supposedly?

And it was also part of the samsara cycles from the Narzissenkreuz quest

[ashen ocean]

any info on the 4 and PO, war of vengeance gives us the outline of what truly happened between the 3 descenders, the wedding at the moon palace, the three moons

[frigid lily]

Ok but thats not Seelie lore specifically

[ashen ocean]

more of the circumstances for why the seelies ended up facing the wrathful side of the PO is good

[ashen ocean]

hmm
human origins inbound then

[frigid lily]

Natlantea was weird tbh I only read men of lithin once and I kind of skipped through it because I just wanted Seelie lore but there wasn't any

[ashen ocean]

Fair enough
but would the outlander being revealed as a Descender be considered Seelie lore ( on how they make complex decisions )

[frigid lily]

I mean we already know he was a descender most likelu

Thats not much

[slender haven]

Sounds a little rough
I'll wait to the quests to get the full understanding

[ashen ocean]

wait for the preload

[slender haven]

Nah I'll just wait till the quests come out fully

[ashen ocean]

but the why for seelies turning coat.

?

[frigid lily]

Huh

[ashen ocean]

is there any lore other than the moon palace one or mere descriptions for why the Seelies were banished ?

[frigid lily]

Nope.

Seelie lore that I'm looking for specifically are:

• Their relations to the ley lines, specifically those Irminsul trees from the older civilization (Dragonspine tree, the Irminsul tree Sybilla was protecting before Remuria started, etc)
• More info on their curse, because all we really know is that they wither away when they fall in love but I feel like there has to be more to it
• Their supposed abyss purification ability
• Their ability to see the future (which is linked to the ley lines as well)

[frigid lily]

And also I want to know more about like
Those weird ley line branches we see in places that have nails
Because those are definetely connected to the Seelies as well I feel

[frigid lily]

Hi so I still haven't watched the sunset animated teaser, is it true that like Tupac had to carry Mavuika back to Natlan because of the fight they had or whatever
I'm reading this off a reddit comment thats why

[tawdry blade]

Yes

[tawdry blade]

I think it is just there so the dead can go back to leyline

Kinda like boatman staying near one

[frigid lily]

Ok but I want specific confirmation on what their purpose are, thats what I mean

Also this was the comment I was referring to

[mint flare]

Didn't mavuika have borrowed powers when she punched the fake sky?

[frigid lily]

Also yes the commenter is wrong with the fact that Mavuika had the six heroes set up and used Ronova's powers back then but still

[tawdry blade]

Yes

Mavuika then did not use Ronova power

[frigid lily]

Yes I know I just said that

[tawdry blade]

Also because there isn't any sinner lore in the leak,so I doubt sinner did anything

[frigid lily]

Mavuika is just a weird character because
I can't see anyway they'd be able to flesh her out with how pathetically perfect she is
And it would also be strange for them all of a sudden make up a sob story for her and the 6 heroes where so far she seems incredibly happy where she is and has accept their deaths
Even if her second story quest, if she even gets one, happens to be in the Mare Jivari and we get to finally see an ounce of emotion coming from her and we get some more backstory about what happened, her character has been so damaged already by just how much of mary sue she is that it just won't be effective

At least for me it won't

I'm sure her simps will point and cry out "see!!! She isn't a mary sue!!! She's showing emotion she's the best written character ever now stop complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Regardless Mavuika does have some secret to her and I want to know what it is

Even if my Lady of Fire theory is dead I still believe Mavuika isn't this perfect person we believe she is
I will still stand by my theory that she did something fucked up and is trying to cover it up somehow

[tawdry blade]

If she do get a sob story and whatever flaw she shows,she isn't Mary Sue definitely, but atleast she is not badly written anymore

[frigid lily]

Nah she's still badly written
A sob story won't fix it

I mean she already has one with her sister or whatever

I find it so funny that in the event quest Mizuki makes a mention of how Gods and other non human creatures are able to have just as much of emotional turmoil as humans
Because its funny when you compare Mavuika to Ei

But then people will say shit like "OhHhH so you want Mavuika to be a whiny crybaby Archon like Ei and Furina???????????????????" No bitch I just want her to have an ounce of personality to her

[mint flare]

I have a theory

It's not related to this but it's still a theory

[ashen ocean]

What slaughtered their entire party was likely just the final ritual

That sealed off the island from the leylines

Sort of like the chasm trapping the souls of the Milleleth who perished there

I assume the effort taken to craft a night kingdom/ leyline in the middle of an abyssal war was what knocked out mavuika

[hasty narwhal]

this hsr all over again

[ashen ocean]

what hsr

why hsr

this is the fake sky, either inside or above the volcano

[mint flare]

Chat its been confirmed

[hasty narwhal]

because HSR also had a break into a fake sky left by an emanator

in any case i'm excited for the WQs

[frigid lily]

Ok back to the early pale princess talk
"In the distant past, the Night Mother ruled over the faraway Land of Night."
Both the Night Mother and the Land of Night are things that I'm still confused about
What are you guys thoughts on it?

[acoustic remnant]

hey do we know who's gonna be on the next banner?

[frigid lily]

Charlotte, Mika, Chongyun supposedly

[acoustic remnant]

what about 5*?

[frigid lily]

Furina and Wriothesley

[hasty narwhal]

When i think night mother i think greek mother night primordial Nyx, who is the mother of Aether in mythology. But other than that I have no idea, as of now i'd guess it could be refering to the lord of the night we met in AQ. Or if the theory of fairytales being past world blueprints like how nahida used one to conserve memories after Irminsul/scaramouche adventures, it could be refering to a being that no longer exists current Teyvat.

[tawdry blade]

The hole that Mavuika broke or something

[ashen ocean]

Nope

This is from 5.5

[tawdry blade]

Not gonna happen though,fake sky isn't really the barrier that protect Teyvat

[ashen ocean]

Mavuika punch hole in the sky is covered up

(I worded it poorly fck)

[tawdry blade]

So the same would happen here ig

I assume the hole is recent

[ashen ocean]

It think it was broken by Ubah Kan

The ancient dragons genuinely seem stronger than archons and gods anyways

Going by the super weapon

At least

[tawdry blade]

Dragon rely more on weapon than their power

[ashen ocean]

No confirmation yet

Tbh

Dragon Power still lets them manipulate the elements better than any vision holder

[tawdry blade]

Ye but seem like it,like Natlan ancient civilization always has some sort of machine

[ashen ocean]

Ig you can say the ability to make those weapons makes them inherently stronger

Than gods

Apparently Ubah Kan scoffs at the rest of the teyvat in the leaks

[tawdry blade]

Maybe? But this is more about god which we have someone who can turn other to salt upon death which doesn't seem like it is related to geo or any other element

[tawdry blade]

Wdym by that

Ah

Had to translate the word,first time seeing it

[ashen ocean]

Salt is geo
Ig god energy and god remains can change the composition of humans like it was hinted throughout the story

Or just that uncontrollable elemental energy is hazardous to humans

Like it was in light realm

Before terraforming

[tawdry blade]

If the theory god power are given by PO then it is probably not true

[ashen ocean]

How so ? Doesnt really contradict when in Liyue the god remains are hazardous to humans

[tawdry blade]

[ashen ocean]

Wdym

Only in Sumeru and Inazuma we see cases of God remains handled properly

(Makoto(??) and Egeria)

[tawdry blade]

We don't really know if Egeria death have any impact in the desert aside from her turning into water and fight off the abyss

[ashen ocean]

Egeria death purified the desert

The pari and the harsovokam or whatever utilised it well

For the same

[tawdry blade]

I'm not sure which part she purified

[ashen ocean]

Remus’s death caused remuria to sink

Scylla was meant to handle the violent ruptures from his demise and Phobos’s

[ashen ocean]

The oasis

I need to revisit the desert omg

[hasty narwhal]

oasis still one of the prettiest place

[frigid lily]

Artifact lore is out

Well, only for one of them that is

And its not finished

Not interesting either

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITTTTT

SKIRK SET IS SEELIE LO4E

SKIRK SET IS SEELIE LOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

AND GOLDEN CITY LORE HOLY FUCK

Nevermind guys 5.5 is peak

I'm the happiest person on the planet right now

After 4 years we finally have golden city and seelie lore

[tawdry blade]

What do it says

[frigid lily]

A shitton of stuff

[tawdry blade]

[frigid lily]

Its badly translated as of now but the tldr is

[tawdry blade]

Give me link

Ok tldr is fine too

[frigid lily]

The Golden City having gotten nailed could possibly tie in to my theory that the Night Kingdom was the Golden City

And also, one more thing, the artifact set mentions that the first Seelie was also cursed to lose her name

And while I don't believe on my Lady of Fire theory anymore, I do still believe that the name in the Pyro Gemstone description belongs to a Seelie

Anyways I'm so happy right now I could doe

*die

[tawdry blade]

Golden city should be the one in 5.5 sky right?

[frigid lily]

Not that I know of

[tawdry blade]

It is a city in the sky so it make sense

And the place somehow has life in it(plant)

Now it make sense

I do hope something will happens in Night Kingdom when you finished all the local legend within it

Maybe small cutscene with the divine nail?

Every divine nail we seen already moved, one is fixed and float in the sky,one fell and created a hole to a different space(chasm)

[frigid lily]

I'm pretty sure the 5.5 place has to do with the pyro dragon

[slender haven]

It was Xiuhcoatl's private villa

[frigid lily]

What do you think of new artifact lore

[slender haven]

Haven't read it yet but it seems interesting
Little annoyed it isn't Capitano lore but eh

At least the Skirk set should give us some cool Surtalogi lore

[frigid lily]

I'm screaming without the s right now over skirk set

[slender haven]

It came out too?

[frigid lily]

Seelie lore and golden city lore after 4 years

[frigid lily]

YES

[slender haven]

Yes I saw

[frigid lily]

I'll get it for you

[slender haven]

Good, I shall look at it in a bit

[frigid lily]

Welp that didnt work uhh

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/S0s2zbBqkK

There

Also here's the Tl:dr

The fact that the Golden City got nailed is even more fuel for my Night Kingdom = Golden City theory

[slender haven]

Very interesting!
Wonder how tf any of that has to do with Skirk or Surtalogi though but I'll guess we'll find out in due time lol

[tawdry blade]

Cryo artifact look like it is out of space,it could be that little boy artifact

So it talk about him

Or it is random lore drop like some artifact

[frigid lily]

I mean I don't see why it needs to have something to do with them
I get that you're saying it because the artifact set's design literally mirrors skirk's design but still

[ashen ocean]

Share it please

[frigid lily]

Ok

[frigid lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/Mo7Lcw8HzR

For the skirk set

[ashen ocean]

Th

Ty

I shall read and ponder on it after dinner

[slender haven]

Well yeah but everyone thought it'd be Skirk related after the design released so it's just a bit of a shock
But then again I took a quick glimpse of them and the flower description mentions a girl heading North because of her master telling her which feels Skirk and Logi reminiscent

[frigid lily]

All of them say that actually
If you read the beginning of each artifact they basically all mention a girl heading some place because of her master and what not
So that girl may be Skirk, and it may mean that Skirk is looking to learn more about the Golden Hall and what happened. It also means that Surtalogi is probably making her go look for it?

[slender haven]

North hm? Maybe Varka is also looking for the Golden Hall wherever he is. The Hall is also probably the "lost paradise" mentioned in the Root Cycle if I had to guess.
Very curious indeed

[frigid lily]

True
But that kind of throws away my theory of the Night Kingdom being the Golden Hall 😭

I mean

I guess not entirely because

It appears that like

[slender haven]

Capitano was also in the same area as Varka for the same purpose as him
So even the Fatui have an interest in it

[slender haven]

Why would it? Feels a little too important to be relegated to one nation

[frigid lily]

Natlan and Nod-Krai were connected by land at some point? And it got split?
So maybe some of the Night Kingdom is part of the Golden Hall still idk

[slender haven]

That's just a theory not confirmed

[frigid lily]

Regardless I kind of believe in it

[slender haven]

At least from what I am aware

The only evidence is that there are apparently Secret Source robots in Nod-Krai

Which is odd to be sure

But I was thinking they more have to do with the cryo Sovereign

[frigid lily]

The reason why I say it is because:
One of Natlan's local legends is called the "explorer of the Golden Hall"
People of Natlan can't leave and so if the Golden Hall is in Snezhnaya how would he be able to go explore it?
The Golden Hall has some tie to Nibelung, more so because the Outlander was friends with him, and if the dragon burning down the tree is him, then it would make sense why Nibelung went to destroy that tree in particular
Night Kingdom has a nail that is still yet to be explained
Night Kingdom has ties to the Seelies, and Ronova, Ronova has ties to the Golden Hall
Yes I guess the fact that they keep mentioning North, which is where Snezhnaya is located puts a major hole in that but again, assuming the theory that Nod-Krai and Natlan were once connected turns out to be true then it would kind of make sense?
And Skirk is coming out soon also, maybe Surtalogi will tell her to go to Natlan to explore the Night Kingdom because thats where most of the Golden Hall is, idk.

[slender haven]

Well who knows how old that ghost is hm? He could've been a warrior pre Abyss infected Night Kingdom I suppose.
But I wouldn't be shocked if the NK and the GH are of a similar nature so maybe it's just the people of Natlan conflating the two
Nibelung being friends with the outlander is a big eye opener though, especially since the outlander is probably the third descender

[frigid lily]

People are theorizing the outlander is actually the second descender now

Its weird

I personally prefer them being the 3rd descender

[slender haven]

Yeah, since I'm pretty diehard for the Nibelung being the second

But like I keep saying I'll get back to you when I read the descriptions fully

[ashen ocean]

Yes

Confusing lores indeed

If nibelung is indeed the second

[frigid lily]

Yeah I know sorry I'm not trying to rush you

[slender haven]

Yeah, it all appears google translated too so it's kind of hard to discern it all

[ashen ocean]

I want to wait for V5 before throwing in the towel at the lore

[tawdry blade]

The boy?

[frigid lily]

Not the boy that was possesed specifically

The guy that possessed him

[tawdry blade]

I think he is an alien like narwhal,not a descender ngl

[frigid lily]

Let me ask an obvious question

Is Skirk an alien also or nah, do you guys think she comes from Teyvat

[ashen ocean]

She is from Nod Mrai

Krai

So hoyo can have her be more active next year

In nod krai events

[tawdry blade]

If the reason her skin look like narwhal is because of abyss , she might be Teyvatian. But her being an alien is also weird because she should be doing experiment on her own,no need to follow a Sinner

But it about time to introduce alien character so maybe she is an alien,or a half one.

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

She definitely isnt

Skirk mentions she left the overworld long ago

Crack says shes from mondsdadt

[tawdry blade]

[ashen ocean]

What

[ashen ocean]

Its from her short talk with Neuvillette

[tawdry blade]

I know

[ashen ocean]

And aliens are likely stronger than sinners anyways

Or on par

Ex: Alice

Speaking of aliens

Do you all think Alice has a space shuttle we are yet to see

[slender haven]

I don't think Alice is an alien either tbh

[ashen ocean]

Why

[tawdry blade]

Alice is probably Teyvatian who can traverse the world through a backdoor or something

[slender haven]

I feel like she's some kind of servant of Celestia seemingly

And that's why she's so weird

[tawdry blade]

Or yk,go to the dark Sea because Celestia has no control over there

[ashen ocean]

If so, Her and Gold being in the same chai club feels wrong

[slender haven]

She also seemingly tries to protect the border between worlds which you'd think an alien wouldn't do

[frigid lily]

Same here, i think she was born in Teyvat, she's just able to travel to other worlfs

[tawdry blade]

Most of those place are created with the help of other not just her alone

[ashen ocean]

Aliens might do it if the abyss is threatening them too and they want to preserve teyvat

[slender haven]

Well she could be chill like that
Plus I think she might be a servant of Istaroth in particular who seems rebellious towards Celestia

[ashen ocean]

Which reminds me

[frigid lily]

I think Alice is just a meme character

[ashen ocean]

I wanna drop my own crackpot theory

[frigid lily]

She just does whatever she wants

[slender haven]

Yeah but she calls it her "duty" or something
Bestowed on her by a higher power

[ashen ocean]

Shades are just Seelie prime / deluxe

[slender haven]

Actually that's what I think too