・genshin-spoilers

[slender haven]

No I think they just meant the PO was asleep and couldn't do anything

[ashen ocean]

fair enough

they are scared of a descender more than sovereign for sure

going by nahida's bluff

he just really hates dragons and wants to diminish their power over their primordial elements as much as possible for humanity is my guess

Egeria/ Focalors wanted Neuvillette to love humanity iirc

[slender haven]

The gnoses carry the PO's authority somehow too

[ashen ocean]

how so ?

i assume the gnoses to be just third descender's essence + dragon sovereign's authority

[slender haven]

They help keep watch over the archons it's implied
Dottore says Scaramouche has to remove the electro gnoses' "divine gaze"

[ashen ocean]

and they are meant to hold up the laws laid down by the PO

[slender haven]

The gnoses don't have the authority, just 3rd descender powers
The thrones are sovereign power

[slender haven]

Yeah that's what I meant

[ashen ocean]

is it possible for the 3rd to be the outlander who married the seelie (queen?) in the halls of the moon palace ?

[ashen ocean]

so simply put, gnoses = super vision

[slender haven]

Maybe

[slender haven]

Yes

[ashen ocean]

special ones to ensure it can never be the weaponised against the PO if the knowledge of them and descenders is put to use

also its kinda funny that most of this lore needs to be cleared by Ubah Kan

whos likely older than Phanes

[slender haven]

Ubah Kan will save us

[gray raven]

why did specifically natlan's leylines get affected by the heavenly principles war with the sovereigns

[ashen ocean]

i think it was because of the second who came

not war with the sovereigns

[slender haven]

We don't know yet but it's probably due to Nibelung personally burning them to ground

[gray raven]

ah

[ashen ocean]

we do see a mural of nibelung burning irminsul in the 5.0 underground temple

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

Also
Do you think the massive star fragment from 5.0 and the small ones in Dragonspine
Could be teasing what Nod Krai ‘s ancient power is

“A morning star”

Or a plain “star”

[slender haven]

I just think it's probably a remnant from the broken moon

So until we find out what that is

[ashen ocean]

And we need to put it through a revision to see where it fits between the 2 realms

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

How does enjou do this

Nvm its on his page

[tawdry blade]

In the AQ finale,after Gothso died,it says "Acursed angels...( Banished creation)... You should long be...(Burn to ash)"

This is only the AQ because Lord of the Night(Seelie/Angel) was presented

I didn't know it until someone commented on it

Out of all creature,Seelie is the only one that we never saw them getting corrupted by the abyss at all

And the entire lore about them getting eaten by the dragon might has to do with them having a lot of power(which we already know)

[frigid lily]

I think Angels are implied to have some sort of abyss purifying ability
Nabu Malikata used her power to create Khvarena, which we know is able to purify the abyss

[ashen ocean]

I think it is referring to the Ode

Winners shine bright, losers burn to ash

[ashen ocean]

Both dragons and seelies are of the light realm

So there is defo more to the seelie

[ashen ocean]

Seelies are entirely creatures of the light realm imo
That is why they are never corrupted

Unlike dragons

Whose evolution traits worked against them

[frigid lily]

How do we know Seelies are from the light realm

[ashen ocean]

They could have eaten seelies to regain some power of the light realm or to stave off the abyssal corruption

[ashen ocean]

I read it in the wiki page
It sources the book that mentions the banishment of the seelies for union between an outlander and their queen
And then the Enkanomiya exclusive crystal flies’s description

[frigid lily]

Which book is that?

[ashen ocean]

Check the page on realms on wiki

Should be referred there

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Light_Realm?so=search

[frigid lily]

The only book it sources is before sun and moon
Before sun and moon doesn't mention the Seelies anywhere

That page also doesn't mention anything about the seelies either

[ashen ocean]

Lemme check the references

Of the seelies

Would the flowers of paradise lost convince you ?

Its description*

In a bygone time which only the Jinn recall, the Lord of Flowers was cast aside by the heavens. Her magnificent vessel was left a savaged husk, her kinsfolk punished by way of being stripped of their minds...

[ashen ocean]

you could also consider they were banished from the moon palace and were former servants of the PO too

[frigid lily]

Well I know the Seelies were banished and more

[ashen ocean]

And light realm energies fight back vs void realm stuff
Seelies have always been used to ward off void realm energy as early as Inazuma wasnt it ? Or chasm ?

[frigid lily]

No?

Unless you mean the glowing seelies in the chasm

But they're a game mechanic, not really proof of anything

[tawdry blade]

I don't think that is just a game mechanic,also Seelie might adapt to different environment just like the dragon

I should look more into that gadget in the Chasm

Seelie is likely to be immune to the abyss energy but can't purify it. Dragon eat them probably to gain both power and that immunity. If they can purify them,PO would created more and they would have not been banished from the heaven

[ashen ocean]

I think it was cause their crime was very severe (like hosting the third descender and what not) and the war with Nibelung could have made it impossible for PO to revoke their exile and call them back

[tawdry blade]

Hutao afterlife is weird,look like it is her memories

Ningguang theorizing that their crisis might be related to Natlan

Oh so the border between life and death is Tao Dou new form

[lone sable]

lantern rite story was pretty good

i forgot how good yun jins singing is

[tawdry blade]

Can't believe they got the opera singer to sing hutao hilichurl song

[rocky canyon]

Let’s be honest, they should officially call this her second story quest.

[frigid lily]

It should have been her second story quest in the first place

[lone sable]

honestly remove the lantern rite stuff and yeah

i think the reason its the lantern rite quest is cause they just had to have every playable character at each gate for their obligatory cutscene moment

[frigid lily]

Pretty much

Thats why I don't like lantern rite

[lone sable]

i got no problem with it, makes for an entertaining quest

[frigid lily]

The rewards are good

Thats about it

Atleast imo

[tawdry blade]

Lantern rite is good because most of them is emotional story. It's not Hutao Quest because it don't make sense,I can't explain it.

Adding it as SQ2 will only make people questioning why not do the same for the rest

Xiao SQ2

Etc

[frigid lily]

Yeah I know

I'm just kind of getting tired of it I guess

[rocky canyon]

Let’s hope once dub comes back they announce that this years lantern event is her second story quest

[frigid lily]

Ok so like, for whatever reason I keep getting notifications that someone is saying something in this channel but then when I look there are like no new messages
What is going on

[slender haven]

Yeah I have it too. It's annoying.
I've had it with the VC too but I just ignored it

[tawdry blade]

It's the voice

[turbid lava]

Is there any dain/abyss lore in natlan yet?

[slender haven]

Well Gosoythoth has mentioned a figure who has given them a "prophecy" so I imagine we'll learn more about them
Nothing about Dain though

[turbid lava]

I NEED more dain quest

[frigid lily]

We'll probably get one in 5.7 I'd imagine

[wary parrot]

the prophet would be dains brother I think

which would be WILD if he showed up

[ashen ocean]

what prophecy ? where does gosoytoth mention this ?

[frigid lily]

In his battle dialogue

[ashen ocean]

yeah then it is vedrfornir

[frigid lily]

Probably

[slender haven]

Maybe

All the Sinners might have foresight for all we know

[ashen ocean]

only 1 can give prophecy

unless Hroptatyr can as well

[slender haven]

Maybe it wasn't even a prophecy, just a guide for the future or something

[ashen ocean]

yes

lost in cn translation as usual

which reminds me

if they really do begin using AI more we may have to watch for when they cheap out on translations and refer to the cn original instead

[frigid lily]

When was it said that they're gonna start using ai?
Not that I don't believe they would stoop that low but I've been hearing this AI talk everywhere but haven't heard of a single evidence

[ashen ocean]

its just a rumour / unconfirmed news
that HYV has mass fired a lot of its employees to integrate AI powered developmment

a lot of other game studios are doing the same too like Capcom

[frigid lily]

Rumors like that are always dumb, we shouldn't trust it.

[ashen ocean]

as part of some initiative with Unity/ Nvidia

[ashen ocean]

nah idts
Infinity Nikki is suspected of Gen AI use
And Gen AI integration has been sought after for the past year in Dev roles

[frigid lily]

Its still just rumours
You shouldn't spread it as a fact

[ashen ocean]

Oh i do not dispute that

How to report bots ?

[frigid lily]

I don't know

[frigid lily]

Hey look they have an image with Thoma and Itto in the bathouse as well
Now a certain group of "people" can finally shut the fuck up

And Mizuki has a voiceline glazing Mavuika of course, amazing

What a shit patch already

[slender haven]

How is that even possible 😭 ?

[frigid lily]

She lived in Natlan so

[slender haven]

Mavuika glaze and R*iden in the same patch just kill me now
Only Wriothesley's chiselled abs can save us now

[frigid lily]

Save you you mean

[slender haven]

Yeah lol sucks for you

[frigid lily]

I actually like Raiden, so I'll be fine.

[slender haven]

That's good ig

[frigid lily]

If the supposed Varesa design is true then I'm a bit upset she isn't inspired by the bumba meu boi festival but she looks cute regardless

She's a plunge attacker by the looks of it though kind of a shame for me because plunging usually sucks on mobile

I mean I'll see if its not as clunky for her, if it isn't then I'll get her

[ashen ocean]

she seems clunky ngl

but who cares

Iansan kit is more promising

[frigid lily]

I do

[ashen ocean]

Varesa will be glazing mavuika in all of her lines

[frigid lily]

Ok
Mizuki also glazes Mavuika and I still like her
What's your point

[ashen ocean]

all

anyways

Iansan being the bennett replacement is surprising

Kinich, chasca, etc can finally be usable now

[frigid lily]

Sadly the only thing her character has going for her
I still can't believe she's the travail trailer character
That boring NPC lady who died had more of an impact then her and that still pisses me off

[ashen ocean]

Shes a gym coach
Loads of silly ways they can make her relevant in 5.5

[ashen ocean]

yeah

If anything she is your biggest piece of evidence for a retcon/ rewrite

tbf i really dc about her char rn
i just want a second benny sb

[frigid lily]

I do, because I was really hyped for her
She has my second favorite design after Xilonen

[frigid lily]

Doubt it considering she's not the collective of plenty 5 star
Varesa will be the only one relevant even if I don't mind

[ashen ocean]

rare xilonen design lover

[ashen ocean]

they can make it so she coached Mavuika or something

[frigid lily]

Really? I thought people loved her design, at least in the communities I'm in

[frigid lily]

How? That makes no sense.

[ashen ocean]

a lot of things about mavuika make no sense anyways

[ashen ocean]

my circle for genshin liked her design as a skater and dj but not as a blacksmith
otherwise most of the love for her ive seen there and else online is her kit tbh

best 5* investment in ages

[ashen ocean]

IG iansan will be just be sidelined as the old person teacher character

varesa in the foreground and iansan as a detail on the back

[frigid lily]

She's a jewelsmith, not a weapons blacksmith
And I personally don't mind
For example, a lot of pyro archon designs i saw before just made her a generic buff darkskinned lady
And while I don't think her shitty motorcycle aesthetic is good I at least like that they went with a creative approach rather than a generic one

[ashen ocean]

well fair enough

[ashen ocean]

my only gripe with her is her fanservicy design and bulky bike, wish it felt fluid to ride and sleek
but yeah in hindsight the generic designs would have flattened the hype, the motorcycle was crazy enough to get eyes glued

[frigid lily]

I don't mind "stereotypical" i guess you could say designs, so long as they're creative
Like for example Candace could be chalked up to "generic egyptian girl" but I find her design nice enough that it doesn't bother me
I personally would have loved a brazillian carnaval or dia de los muertos inspired character though...

[ashen ocean]

Natlan 6.x character

they havent made a 5* for sumeru in over a year or two omg

dehya was the last wasnt she ? \

[frigid lily]

5 star dendro carnaval tall lady manifesting 🙏

[frigid lily]

Yes

[ashen ocean]

i hope they make a good dark skinned sumeru 5* still

dehya was a huge miss

[frigid lily]

There's the mummy girl I guess but she's likely to be a 4 star
Sucks, I like her design a lot

[ashen ocean]

shes 5*

wait

is it the unrealesed / not yet teased one ?

[frigid lily]

Yes

I mean I actually wouldn't mind her being a 4 star because supposedly she's hydro bow and we don't have a 4 star hydro bow yet so

[ashen ocean]

the issue with dendro is how underwhelming nahida really becomes as the game ages

[frigid lily]

Well I don't care about meta

[ashen ocean]

fair

[frigid lily]

I just want a tall dendro lady because we don't have one yet

[ashen ocean]

hoyo and hydro 4* ? asking for too much

[frigid lily]

Sadly

Still no hydro claymore either

[ashen ocean]

they are saving it for nod krai

[ashen ocean]

Mond maybe

[frigid lily]

Yeah, we don't have a Mondstadt dendro character yet

[ashen ocean]

I imagined a bit more land to the north

[frigid lily]

There's appatently going to be like a separate part to it

But it will have its own map like Enka, Chasm and remuria

[ashen ocean]

Quest locked too

Ig its Xiuhcoatl’s mansion

[frigid lily]

Sucks how Iansan is so much lighter in game with her model, but what else to expect

[ashen ocean]

She had to lose some of her melanin to challenge Bennett

Hoyo’s rules

[slender haven]

Looks pretty nice, can't really tell where the Collective is though

[ashen ocean]

wait

[slender haven]

What

[ashen ocean]

This is their location

[ashen ocean]

@slender haven

[slender haven]

Ah I see it now

[slender haven]

Ah I'm planning on building Sethos eventually actually so I hope this isn't fully true
Though then again I have him at C5 which should help

[ashen ocean]

does sethos move around a lot ?

[slender haven]

Not from what I've seen

[ashen ocean]

oh then iansan doesnt buff him

sd

sad

[slender haven]

Damn

[ashen ocean]

Now my kinich gets 2 base atk buffers

• scroll\

[slender haven]

He's kind of just like an electro Yoimiya
At least if you go for Burst damage

[ashen ocean]

Owhoworon

[ashen ocean]

so like NA focused aggravate dps ?

[slender haven]

It's counted as charged attack damage so Wanderer's Troupe is his best set but yeah kinda

[ashen ocean]

ahhhh

[slender haven]

I imagine you could also run him as overload with Chevreuse though

[ashen ocean]

so he wants Tighnari weapon anyways

wish flat atk reactions had something new going on

they are so neglected

[slender haven]

If you did the 4.7 event you get a good bow for him too

[ashen ocean]

i was away from the game for then

[slender haven]

Ah sucks

[ashen ocean]

too busy with warframe

[slender haven]

The forgeable Sumeru bow should be good for him too though

[ashen ocean]

idts

slingshot is better than every 4* option for tighnari so far

i imagine the same for sethos

[slender haven]

Basedshot

[ashen ocean]

i think the forgeable natlan bow is pretty good too

lots of atk and some little em

[slender haven]

Yeah since it buffs EM

[ashen ocean]

i think iansan is prep for skirk's kit

Superconduct and Shatter have been neglected for years

and both ignore def

and since abyss mostly is associated with piercing damage

skirk will use these two reactions

[slender haven]

I don't really think Skirk will be cryo even if leakers have been saying it

Leaking has fallen off lately
They didn't even know Skirk would BE playable in 5.X. until the sillohette image came out

Then they all came rushing to say "no no no she totally was the whole time"

[ashen ocean]

leakers have been getting busted, retiring, getting married

and hoyo is phishing them now

[slender haven]

Yeah that makes sense

[ashen ocean]

tbh skirk was teased to be playable way back in 4.2 by a leaker

not too far fetched

[slender haven]

I mean we'd knew she'd be playable eventually lol. That part was obvious from her model. We just didn't know WHEN. We all presumed sometime in Khaenri'ah

[ashen ocean]

cryo is still the worst element for offense
and cryo getting abyss related gameplay is long overdue tbh, seeing how much superconduct and shatter were neglected

the element is getting a refresh

[slender haven]

Yeah I can see that but they've already been kind of doing that already with Citlali being such a good buffer

[ashen ocean]

fair
but ig this is just an entree to a playable shade or sinner like you thought before

of all the sinners, rerir is the candidate for playable sinner imo
and of shades, maybe the shade of time

[slender haven]

At least a couple shades are becoming playable to ber sure but the Sinners are a little iffy since they are flat-out evil for the most part with little redeeming factors. Maybe 1 or two but that's it.

[ashen ocean]

one sinner is a tea sipper in a coven of witches so

not wholly evil

[slender haven]

Yeah Rerir could make sense since he's the "Avenger of the Moon" maybe he has some sympathetic reason for doing what he did lol

[slender haven]

Well whose to say the Hexenzirkel are innocent either?
Though Rhinedottir is a woman so she's also pretty likely to be playable

[ashen ocean]

I think Tsaritsa may be the only archon who wont be playable

[slender haven]

Nah

They ain't passing up on her

[ashen ocean]

We might see one of the harbingers being promoted to archonhood

thematically

[slender haven]

That would be cool but idk

[ashen ocean]

it somewhat meshes well

[slender haven]

Mhm with the tsardom getting overthrown by Lenin and the Bolsheviks

I imagine the Genshin version would be more peaceful though

[ashen ocean]

I guessed that the hydro archon will be killed in the climax of fontaine seeing the dainsleif trailer

[slender haven]

Really? Damn

[ashen ocean]

i got vindicated in a way i did not expect

[ashen ocean]

i put that and rhoedia of loch's distate of hydro archon and came to that conclusion

[slender haven]

Turned out Rhoedia was just crazy paranoid and that didn't amount to anything lol
Wrong formula right answer though

[ashen ocean]

with natlan i expected that the traveller would be helping a girl become the pyro archon

[slender haven]

I thought we'd see a new pyro archon happen too
But no

[ashen ocean]

beating the challenges to ascend the throne of pyro and whatnot

so i really do think it is reserved for Sneznaya

[slender haven]

We haven't seen any new archon ascend during the quests yet which is weird
Well except Neuvi in Fontaine but he's kind of an exception
Although ice and water are the same thing at the end of the day

[ashen ocean]

Because tsaritsa is not making it out alive going by how heavy the stakes of her goals are

[slender haven]

No she'll live, maybe she'll just step down

She's too much of a money maker

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/fatui-fatui-genshin-genshin-fatui-capitano-capitano-genshin-gif-26182141

[ashen ocean]

she will handover the reins to columbina

[slender haven]

He's coming back though lol
It's obvious with how they've been pushing him

[slender haven]

No

[ashen ocean]

also
have you heard of the fatui table theory

[slender haven]

I think

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/fatui-habingers-11fatui-harbingers-the-fatui-fatui-genshin-gif-26181114

it meshes with the leak we got earlier last year

around natlan's release

[slender haven]

It's probably wrong

[ashen ocean]

the leak mentioned nod krai though

[slender haven]

And not happening

[slender haven]

Lucky guess

[ashen ocean]

a harbinger civil war was long overdue anyways

[slender haven]

It isn't going to happen

[ashen ocean]

Alain would be opposed to Dottore

[slender haven]

Arle isn't teaming up with Dottore ever

[ashen ocean]

arle would not like pulcinella

[ashen ocean]

uneasy alliance i suppose

[slender haven]

Dottore is probably going to die in Nod-Krai anyways

[ashen ocean]

i hope not

he has to playable first

[slender haven]

Maybe another him will be playable

But the Omega's dying

The Harbinger civil war is from old voice acting test releases that are long outdated
It isn't happening

[ashen ocean]

idts
hoyo might actually put their feet down and give a playable antagonist

[slender haven]

The Genshin team having a spine? Ha

[ashen ocean]

They do that for HSR dont they ?

[slender haven]

Different team

[ashen ocean]

if iansan powercreeps bennett for natlan units

sure why the hell not

(kinich can still abuse two atk buffers)

[slender haven]

Iansan is electro while Bennet is pyro, that alone means he won't get power crept
Ifa might power creep him if anthing if he's pyro

[ashen ocean]

nah

iansan can react with every element

she can use scroll

buff base dmg

give atk% with constellation

[slender haven]

The reactions won't be as good as pyro's though

[ashen ocean]

heal

[slender haven]

She can be a side-grade I guess

[ashen ocean]

bennett has no pyro sustain

like her

with no electron sustain

and doesnt matter

[slender haven]

He has pyro buffing though

[ashen ocean]

crystallise is doodoo

what matters is her scroll buff

[slender haven]

Except with Navia

[ashen ocean]

resonance ?

[slender haven]

That too

[ashen ocean]

iansan hsa 15% active character damage bonus with her c1

[slender haven]

Atk boost from another pyro character is very good

[slender haven]

Is she a 4 star or 5 star?

[ashen ocean]

4

[slender haven]

I heard she's 4 star

[slender haven]

Hmmm, I'll have to see her kit for myself

[ashen ocean]

this image wouldnt comme to be coz of that

if she wasnt 4*

[slender haven]

It can always be altered before she comes out too

[ashen ocean]

no

rarity was never changed

[slender haven]

I met her cons/kit

[ashen ocean]

oh that can be

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

but only the numbers

and conditions
the buffs will remain stikk

still

[slender haven]

Hm

Well we'll have to wait and see

[ashen ocean]

shes mainly intended for varesa

[slender haven]

Yeah her

[ashen ocean]

who is a plunge dps getting her own plunge set

[slender haven]

Should be good for Gaming too

[ashen ocean]

(and yes zyox has to refarm his whole set again, since xiao wants atk goblet)

[slender haven]

And Xiao

[ashen ocean]

yes

100% plunge dmg is great

[slender haven]

So I guess I'll hold off on building him for now lol

Good thing I picked Hu Tao instead

[ashen ocean]

i just want navia to rerun alongside venti in 5.5

need both of their weapons

[slender haven]

I have both so I don't have to worry 😎

[ashen ocean]

shes still solid

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

and iansan maybe good for hu tao lol

[slender haven]

She also got buffed for imaginarium

[ashen ocean]

did you get her c1 or r1

[slender haven]

No

But I'll be fine

Does Iansan buff charged damage?

[ashen ocean]

no

but that doesnt matter btw

all dmg bonus add up

[slender haven]

Ah ok

[ashen ocean]

you can go for plunge too ig

plunge tao*

[slender haven]

Yeah but I'd need Xianyun though

Who I don't have

[ashen ocean]

5.5 rerun

[slender haven]

Hm maybe I'll get her

[ashen ocean]

and the weapon banner is cracked too

2 plunge based catalysts]

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

5.5 is stocked af

just need to wait patiently during t.4

5.4

[slender haven]

Mhm, looking forward to it

[tawdry blade]

Hmm so skirk is half off field(burst) and onfeild

Which mean her burst do dps and good for freeze,but we all know freeze is ass

[ashen ocean]

that set is not for skirk

its for the fontaine 5*

Skirk is phase 3

of the 5.x version

and she will have her own artefact set

Mare is the final patch

[ashen ocean]

The cryo set is too underwhelming for skirk

Also

Theres a new book series

[ashen ocean]

Also, who is Elio ?

[slender haven]

Oh Waxaklahun
Cool he's getting a pfp

[ashen ocean]

We got inside views of the second map

Which is Xiuhcoatl’s gamer basement

Ngl it is very cool

[slender haven]

His private vila yes

[ashen ocean]

Best map we have had in the game yet

Utterly alien

[slender haven]

Wonder what their lore is going to be

[slender haven]

Sounds sick

[ashen ocean]

Its disappointing skirk is just another cryo dps

But well ill take it

[slender haven]

Yes, I guess Capitano is going to be the second one too
Unless they change him to electro or some shit

[ashen ocean]

Check it out

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

Either him or for Ifa

Sorry, Dahlia*

[slender haven]

It does look cool

[ashen ocean]

The fontaine girl is getting her own set

In mare

[slender haven]

Ifa is probably pyro so probably not

[ashen ocean]

Ifa is catalyst

Likely pyro

Since hes from flower feather clan

[slender haven]

I'm guessing he'll be using his gun for his main attacks lol

[slender haven]

Good for her I guess

[ashen ocean]

Not out of the realm of possibility

[ashen ocean]

Ig we can say that skirk is in 5.6

[slender haven]

He does look like a cowboy

[slender haven]

Or 5.7

[ashen ocean]

skirk + ifa sounds good

[slender haven]

One of those

[ashen ocean]

She seems to be a rev melt dps

If it happens

[ashen ocean]

Wouldnt that be too late

[slender haven]

That's most cryo DPS though

[slender haven]

Not really with their current release schedule being so weird

[ashen ocean]

5.7 is the final artefact set

Unless they cancel the third wave

[ashen ocean]

Fair

[ashen ocean]

Tru

[ashen ocean]

It is underground like enka

Or it is in the light realm

Like the bit we see in 5.0

[slender haven]

I figured that out

[slender haven]

The light realm kinda is the human realm at this point but yeah

[ashen ocean]

Also
We are getting a conclusion of sorts to the night realm cat in the stadium trial

[slender haven]

Probably not
Ig she was just waiting for Yohual to awaken which she did

[ashen ocean]

Nah idts
I feel like a part of it was cleaved away to make the physical realm

(Most of it)

[slender haven]

No the human realm was built on top of the dragon light realm
Ig stuff like the Primordial Sea is light realm though

[ashen ocean]

And a remainder set aside for the PO and the moon palaces and celestia and what not

[slender haven]

I hope we get an artifact set with Capitano lore

Like how Scaramouche got one

[ashen ocean]

Which ?

Echoes ? Or vermillion ?

[slender haven]

Scaramouche's set is Husk of Oppulent Dreams
The desccriptions are about his lore

[ashen ocean]

Yes
I just think the remainder of the light realm was walled off by the PO for himself and the shades

And separated

[ashen ocean]

Oooh

Makes sense

[slender haven]

Kinda like that ig

[slender haven]

The black and red set looks Khaenri'ahesque

[ashen ocean]

Because the ronova we see in 5.3 is just zoom calling mavuika from her residence

[slender haven]

So that could be his

[slender haven]

In Celestia

[ashen ocean]

The helmet removes the possibility tbh

[slender haven]

Not really
It could have just been a helmet one of Cap's soldiers wore or something

[ashen ocean]

Hmm

Kinda

[ashen ocean]

Is it confirmed ?

[slender haven]

Or maybe it was Cap's old helmet when he was younger

[slender haven]

Where else would she live?

[ashen ocean]

The moon palace, chariots, etc somewhere beyond the veil

[slender haven]

Elio is an important guy in Star Rail iirc

[ashen ocean]

Is he some train service person or something ?

[slender haven]

The moon palace and the chariot are both gone
You also can't really live in a chariot

[slender haven]

No he's the leader of the Stellaron hunters

[ashen ocean]

Figures out

Or maybe

Shes in the dark sea

[slender haven]

Technically Celestia would be Dark Sea
Since the Seven don't rule there

[ashen ocean]

Nod Krai would be in the dark sea too then ?

[ashen ocean]

Fsir enough

[slender haven]

Not exactly since Tsaritsa technically still rules it

[ashen ocean]

Mare is confirmed to be in 5.7

[slender haven]

That's good

I wonder what will be in 5.8 then

The summer area I guess

[ashen ocean]

Ye

Ig they dont want to break the order of the dain quests

And keep it locked to x.6

[slender haven]

The last one was 4.7 though

[ashen ocean]

Fr ?

[slender haven]

Mhm

4.6 was Remuria and Clorinde
4.7 was Dain

[ashen ocean]

Oh yes it was

[ashen ocean]

I thought arle came in 4.6

[ashen ocean]

So they do not want the quests to clash

[slender haven]

Oh yeah she did
Clorinde was 4.7

[ashen ocean]

5.5- Wuk finale
5.6 - Dain and Skirk
5.7- Mare quest and fontaine girl
5.8- Nod Krai count down

[slender haven]

Sigewinne too

[slender haven]

I'm hoping the cook girl is actually from Nod-Krai
Just a hunch though

[ashen ocean]

Kazuha situation ?

Probable

[slender haven]

Yes

Or like how Charlotte appeared in 3.7

[ashen ocean]

Forgor she appeared in 3.7

[slender haven]

Yeah

[frigid lily]

She'e so cute I love her design
Probably my new favorite in Natlan
Definetely doesn't fit Electro though, more like Anemo but I don't mind

[frigid lily]

Artifacts don't look Natlan themed, so I guess no more Natlan lore lol
Just goes to show how HYV hates the nation

[ashen ocean]

She reminds me of a certain Hashira

[frigid lily]

I don't know what that is

[ashen ocean]

Have you seen the new area

Hoyo poured out their love into it

[frigid lily]

I'm talking about story

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/mitsuri-mitsuri-kanroji-mitsuri-mark-demon-slayer-kny-gif-2797476124810061970

[frigid lily]

I don't see it

[ashen ocean]

Maybe
Ill throw in the towel after the Wuk quest though

[frigid lily]

Is homdgcat not updated yet?

[ashen ocean]

Both are foodies who are super strong physically

[ashen ocean]

It is but not for public viewing ig

Most of the leaks were from on there

We are yet to receive a final word on Iansan scalings

Ok nvm it got the verification

Iansan buffs 690 base atk at crown lvl10

[frigid lily]

Idk what that means
Not a meta person sorry
Hope its good i guess

[ashen ocean]

Well
Its what makes bennett good

The tatakasaur ability is apparent now
It can run fast, jump high and plunge attack

[frigid lily]

Neat

[slender haven]

Hm I see

Looks pretty cool

[frigid lily]

World boss looks cool
There isn't much important lore on the lava enemies or whatever so idrc

Honestly, I love Varesa, but other than that 5.5 seems like a filler patch for me
I just don't care for the new map expansions
Usually they'd be the thing I look forward to the most but I have 0 interest in the little guy world quest

Also new artifact honestly doesn't look like it will have lore that will interest me

One is a skirk set, don't care
Other gives Arlecchino vibes, also don't care

I hope Mare Jivari will be good, if it even comes out in 5.X

[ashen ocean]

it is 5.7

confirmed now

[frigid lily]

Confirmed by who

If its a leak its not "confirmed"

[slender haven]

Well I'm the opposite then lol
Varesa looks eh, her design is straight out of ZZZ, making the pale girl 5 star and Iansan 4 star is absolutely hilarious though, unmatched levels of cluelessness on the part of the devs there
But the map looks gorgeous and we're even getting a Waxaklahun pfp

Also artifacts always have the best lore so I'm looking forward to them too

[ashen ocean]

meh, one of the uncles confirmed it
or HxG Diluc

[ashen ocean]

more surtr lore

[slender haven]

Yes and whatever the black and red one is going to be about

Hopefully Capitano somehow

[ashen ocean]

columbina crumbs

[ashen ocean]

or thrain

[slender haven]

How?

[slender haven]

Literally the same guy

[ashen ocean]

or another khaenrian's lore

like anfortas

[slender haven]

That is possible

[ashen ocean]

or the black mask warrior from one of the 1.x sets

[slender haven]

Anfortas already has enough lore I feel
Unless he and Capitano are related

[slender haven]

No he's from Mondstadt
Also he already has a set

[ashen ocean]

Have you seen Gojo fans post ch 236

same hope

[slender haven]

Ah I understand

[ashen ocean]

oh mb he was signora's dead lover

[slender haven]

No he was friends with Signora's lover though

[ashen ocean]

oh

[slender haven]

Rostam was Signora's boyfriend
Blood Stained Knight was the masked knight

[ashen ocean]

mizuki and miko were classmates

wtf

[ashen ocean]

is there any resolution to teh viridescent hunter ?

[slender haven]

The Bloodstained Knight killed her

After she became corrupted by the Abyss

[ashen ocean]

oh

[ashen ocean]

what happened to him ?

[slender haven]

He went to Khaenri'ah and started serving the Abyss himself

He's still alive presumably so we might see him eventually

[ashen ocean]

could be the underling of a sinner

recruited by the abyss order

the possibilities are endless

[slender haven]

Abyss Order is possible

Maybe he'll be a world boss in Khaenri'ah

[ashen ocean]

he will be an abyss worm #1954124 at best

[slender haven]

Damn

Also I got a crackpot theory, do you want to hear it?

[ashen ocean]

go ahead

why is the antagonist in Mizuki quest budget incel aizen

[slender haven]

What if Capitano's constellation is the Dove and not Columbina's
Doves are often an image for Christ of which Capitano has parallels with
He's fused with an angel who are also dove like
And the dove is crying like Pierro's constellation and he's a fellow Khaenri'ahn Cataclysm survivor

[ashen ocean]

a bit of an intersection

but i think the mizuki quest

wshere the antagonist wanbts to remove all negative emotion

reminds me of the khaenrian and other kingdoms dreams to defy fate

[slender haven]

I haven't played the quest yet so I can't say anything

[ashen ocean]

and if you consider how emotions influence memory

he uses abyss to remove negative memory

and he seeks "perfection"

[ashen ocean]

it is very much possible

not crack

capitano was about redemption/ salvation/ forgiveness anyways

[slender haven]

Yeah it would be cool
Would also make him the next boss which is interesting

Doves also appeared when Christ got baptized and the Night Kingdom is literally filled with water

So that's another connection

[ashen ocean]

rather than self sacrifice to cleanse the sins of khaenrians, he rather pleads for mercy and a path forward like others\

[slender haven]

Yeah that too

[frigid lily]

I don't trust it

[frigid lily]

A pfp does nothing, its just cosmetic

[ashen ocean]

yes

[ashen ocean]

theres no reason not to

mare got an outline in 5.2

[slender haven]

Doesn't mean I can't like it

I wasn't saying it meant anything

[ashen ocean]

it got kinich teasing it

it got citlali teasing it

there so much build up already

would stink if it was postponed

[frigid lily]

Regardless I don't really expect much for Mare Jivari
If its going to just be the nations Enka/Chasm/Remuria equivalent, then I don't think it will give us much lore unfortunately
I mean ok Enka is a bad example because it gave us before sun and moon but Chasm and especially Remuria just gave us more questions and zero answers

[slender haven]

Remuria gave us some nice stuff if you look closely

[frigid lily]

Also, the fact that the artifact sets have nothing to do with Natlan just tells me they want to move on to Nod Krai as soon as possible

So we can't even hope for a possible Natlan interlude lol

[slender haven]

The pyro gnosis just gets taken off screen

[ashen ocean]

Somehow, Nibelung has returned ah quest

[frigid lily]

Its 100% whats going to happen, calling it now

I love Varesa
Her animations are so goofy

Also Iansan doesn't have the airplane run

[slender haven]

Nah

[slender haven]

The most interesting thing about her is that they actually seemingly made a new model for medium girls

[frigid lily]

I'm so happy my favorite medium natlan girl is already getting better treatment

Goddamn it homdgcat is still not updated

[slender haven]

They really put a lot of effort into her "assets" lol

[frigid lily]

I mean, yeah, she's a body builder, she should be a little thicker
If Ganyu came out today she might have actually gotten the same treatment

[slender haven]

Yeah I'm not saying it doesn't make sense
This isn't the first time they've done it either, Wriothesley and Capitano's models are noticeably more muscular than their 1.X counterparts

[ashen ocean]

Why does she run like sonic

Both of them

[frigid lily]

Its the collective special ability basically

[ashen ocean]

Itto mains will forever cry

[ashen ocean]

Yeah
Run and jump

[frigid lily]

good itto sucks

[ashen ocean]

Looks so cute

[ashen ocean]

Yes

Hate his ass

Ayato lover since first seeing him

[frigid lily]

See, my problem with Itto is

I enjoyed his character in his story quest

And thats it

[ashen ocean]

Ifa is never going to live up to the standards these two setup lmao

[ashen ocean]

Hes just too overdone

[frigid lily]

Every other instance where he appeared I immediately roled my eyes

I still dislike the Chasm quest because of him

[ashen ocean]

The only good thing he has spawned is the

4 year long and third teyvat saga of

[frigid lily]

He was literally only there because Shinobu is there

[ashen ocean]

Beetle battles

[frigid lily]

And that also reminds me of Shinobu

Because I love Shinobu

But she's literally not allowed to show up anywhere if that fucker isn't there

[ashen ocean]

Is go*n censored

[frigid lily]

Yeah I think so

Because of the recent meaning of the word

[ashen ocean]

The incompetent gang and over competent underling trope is well done

[ashen ocean]

Wish she got some off time

[frigid lily]

She deserves it

[ashen ocean]

Yep the bot warns me lmao

[ashen ocean]

And hang out with chevreuse, chasca, keqing, lisa

[frigid lily]

Need an event solely and only dedicated for Shinobu

[frigid lily]

Don't forget Yanfei

[ashen ocean]

One can hope

[ashen ocean]

Her too
But i was having one workaholic/ over competent employee from each nation in mind

[slender haven]

Oh God no

She's a Karen

Everytime Itto and the gang do some slapstick antics she's always there to go "grahh you're all idiots and I hope you fucking die"
She's Squidward without the comedy

I really thought there'd be a moment in the hangout quest where she goes "aw you guys" to the gang and has a sweet moment with them but no she just hates them and has no reason to be there

[slender haven]

Yes yes yes Raiden is so much better with her huge fat milky jiggling tits

She was lonely and so she killed everyone what an interesting character

Lonely, can't cook, sword boob teeheehee

[ashen ocean]

Nah thats her way of showing affection towards the group ig

[slender haven]

Dogshit way of showing affection

[ashen ocean]

Shes just capitano but with babies for a gang and vastly under budget

[slender haven]

Capitano knows when to shut up

[ashen ocean]

Thats the gag

[slender haven]

Dogshit gag

[ashen ocean]

Capitano has mature underlings

She doesnt

[ashen ocean]

Nah

Reminds me of this one tweet i bookmarked

Wait

[slender haven]

Hoyoverse is dogshit at writing comedy
It's either just creating one character gimmick and exploiting it for all its worth or just "boobs, laugh"

Actually Hoyoverse is just dogshit at writing

[slender haven]

Sure

[ashen ocean]

For genshin only right ?

[slender haven]

Capitano probably has very good hygiene I feel like he'd smell nicely

[slender haven]

I guess

HSR is slightly better from what I remember

[ashen ocean]

Capitano’s greatest glazer

[slender haven]

You don't get hair that luxurious by not shampooing

[ashen ocean]

Shinobu is just that trope that hadnt tired yet

[frigid lily]

Hey can you genuinely shut the fuck up

[slender haven]

It is tired

[frigid lily]

I'm just sharing my opinion

[slender haven]

No

[slender haven]

And I am too

I wasn't insulting you

[frigid lily]

Yes you are

Why bring Ei in to this?

[slender haven]

I was insulting the fictional characters I guess

I didn't know you placed so much personal worth into them so I am sorry

[ashen ocean]

Isnt it his “hair” just part of his helmet or cape

[slender haven]

No it's his actual hair

[ashen ocean]

Skeletons can have fine hair so doesnt really say anything
Or whose to say it isnt a wig

[ashen ocean]

Nah wrong comparisob

[slender haven]

And those skeletons can shampoo their hair too

[frigid lily]

With all due respect I'm not stupid
I know you're just saying those things to get a reaction out of me
And this pasive aggressive "ohhh I didn't know teehee" is stupid also

[slender haven]

Ok

[frigid lily]

What is your fucking problem

[ashen ocean]

He nust have been in showers constantly if he was in a winter outfit for natlan

[slender haven]

Well he has ice powers
He's probably cold all the time lol

[ashen ocean]

Fair

Capitano was acquainted with sanhaj wasnt he

[slender haven]

Possibly
He was more friends with Ayizu though

[ashen ocean]

Also

Sanhaj could be the “border” master of the same “border” Tao deals with

Just in natlan and the other one is in inazuma

Could be how he was able to come up with the Mare masterpiece

[frigid lily]

I don't like vitiligo edits
They always feel forced

Also WHEN THE FUCK IS HOMDGCAT UPDATING

I'm going insane here

[frigid lily]

Oh good

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/hgd5qHaaZb

Finally something

I hope the Venti envisaged echoes means he will get a possible rerun in 5.5

Oh my gosh her namecard

Its so pretty 😭

[ashen ocean]

the leakers get early access

[frigid lily]

[ashen ocean]

he was always gonna

[frigid lily]

Google how to become leaker

[ashen ocean]

archon rerun schedule says so

[frigid lily]

I hope so
I've been waiting for him for forever

[ashen ocean]

get inside telegram channels of theirs
find a plug/ insider

[ashen ocean]

so the banners for sure are :
Xianyun Varesa
Venti - ???

could be emilie or navia

or cyno, al haitham

or nilou

if they are mad men, Kokomi]

[frigid lily]

Good

Means I can finally get him after 4 fucking years

I got 1000+ wishes saved up for him
Only for C0 though

Also I hope Iansan is with Varesa, but if she's with Venti that's good too

[ashen ocean]

She is with varesa

[frigid lily]

Good 🙏

[frigid lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/VY16adnWH9

Crying screaming kicking my feet I love her so much

[frigid lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/bYtdQnKR61

Names are out

Fallingstar fields are interesting

Thats it though

[unborn frigate]

varessa looks so ass im sorry

[lone bridge]

chat do we know who voices Shiba Murasaki yet

because her VA feels incredibly familiar to me

[frigid lily]

I love her
She's my favorite Natlan character after Xilonen

[frigid lily]

I don't think so no

[unborn frigate]

idk how to explain it but she doesn’t look like a genshin character 😭

maybe its the new body idk

[frigid lily]

I really like the new body type
I think it fits her

She's a wrestler after all

[lone bridge]

she sounds so much like xilonen. Is it just me??

[frigid lily]

I play CN so I couldn't tell you

[frigid lily]

There's a new "qol" change that is pretty inyeresting

[ashen ocean]

So quickswap is like tighnari

You remain on field for leas time, unload your damage and swap to another dps

[ashen ocean]

What is that

[frigid lily]

Apparently, now when all characters in your party die, it will have a new death message that says "burned to death by g0lden light"

Its apparently a cn translated message so

So the translation is a bit iffy

But anyways, I like it
I hope it means g0lden hall lore
But I shouldn't keep my expectations high

[ashen ocean]

Golden Hall ?

This seems region specific

Maybe when you die inside last remains of the light realm

[slender haven]

Odd, reminiscent of Och-Kan's golden flames for some reason

Feels like it should be like, exclusive to a boss fight or something
Imagine a newbie getting beaten by a couple hillichurls and getting that overdramtic ass phrase lol

[frigid lily]

Basically, its an "area" that has been hinted at 4 times in game already but its so hidden you probably won't find it
It has ties to Ronova and possibly the Seelies

The first time it was mentioned, was in the Boatman quest in Tsurumi Island

Second time was with Zhiqiong in the Chasm

Third time was with the Schwanenritter knights from Khaenri'ah, where one of them had the title of "Sentinel of the G0lden Hall"

4th time was in Natlan, where one of the local legends you find has a title of "explorer of the G0lden Hall" or something like it
I'll go to the wiki to get the exact quotes for you brb

Actually on a side note, did you guys know that the withering can kill your entire party
Because I found out about that when doing the Aranyaka quest
It was the first time I ever actually died died in game

Boatman dialogue
The "Lady of the G0lden Hall" here is very likely to be Ronova btw which is interesting

[slender haven]

Yeah, wonder if the Thunderbird had her original name given to her by Ronova or something since we know they were a "she"

[frigid lily]

Thats a pretty common theory

[slender haven]

Would explain why Charon shows up on some random island in Inazuma of all places lol

[frigid lily]

Zhiqiong dialogue

Heavenly Envoys are the Seelies which is pretty interesting

Also, there's a domain in Natlan related to the Dragons that is called Ancient Watchtower

[slender haven]

There's also the black watchtower which is odd

[frigid lily]

That could be the Black watchtower that she's talking about

[slender haven]

Nah it's too minor
I saw someone speculate it could be the Spiral Abyss

If we ever get more lore on that place even lol

[frigid lily]

I doubt we will

It could be the dragon watchtower because

I mean, the domain in uhhh fuck

The crimson witch domain

It became relavant in Lantern Rite so

Who the fuck knows

[slender haven]

Yeah but idk why Zhiqing would bring up some random dragon outpost in the same vein as the entire species of angels and also the after life

[frigid lily]

Schwanenritter knights

[frigid lily]

I mean Dragons and Seelies are pretty much enemies it seems like, even outside of Natlan

And this is the last mention, it being from a local legend

[slender haven]

Reminds me of Cap's old title lol
But I have seen a theory that Khaenri'ah was like a "Night Kingdom" of its own so maybe they considered themselves the "Golden Hall" somehow or had some connection to it

[slender haven]

Yeah but I imagine it'd be something to do with Nibelung
It isn't a random domain

[frigid lily]

Fair

[slender haven]

What if in this context the Golden City is just Ochkanatlan or something lol

[frigid lily]

Is Ochkanatlan ever called a Golden City

[slender haven]

Not really but it kinda has some gold on it

Maybe it's the Night Kingdom since it's also the after life

[frigid lily]

My current theory is that the Night Kingdom was the Golden Hall
Because the Night Kingdom is like Enkanomiya
It fell underground
So maybe before it became the Night Kingdom it was known as the Golden Hall

There's also the fact that like

Nod Krai has dragon machinery that can be found in Natlan

And I think those notes the Fontaine NPC gave us theorized that maybe Nod Krai and Natlan were a single piece of land or whatever and that it got cut off or something
I'm 100% misremembering it but I'm too lazy to go back and check

But point is, if we don't get a resolution to the Gnosis storyline in 5.X (which we definetely won't I feel) Nod Krai will probably serve as a way to connect Natlan lore to Snezhnaya lore
Which means more night kingdom stuff

I still haven't forgotten the fact that there's a nail in the night kingdom
Thats still the single biggest thing I want addressed

And also, the little Irminsul branches that are always present in places where nails are hit
I want to know what is up with them
They have some weird relations to the Seelies and I want to know about it

[slender haven]

Also there's something in the new books they released that I think you'll find very interesting

[frigid lily]

Is it seelie lore or no

[slender haven]

Why wouldn't we get a resolution to the Gnosis plotline? I'm a Natlan hater and even I don't agree

[slender haven]

Uh maybe
Depends on what you think "Natlantean" is

[frigid lily]

Not in Natlan I mean it will get a resolution in Nod Krai

[frigid lily]

Tell book now

[slender haven]

Men of Lithin

[frigid lily]

Thank

I read now

[slender haven]

Sounds good

[slender haven]

Yeah it's possible we'll get like an interlude in Natlan or something in 6.X.

[ashen ocean]

I think this is in the NK

[ashen ocean]

It is ronova
The thunderbird has a lot of “feather” imagery

[slender haven]

No I think that's dragon land

[slender haven]

Definitely one of the 4 shades to be sure

[ashen ocean]

The dark mud are the decomposed remains of a Khaenrian
She fell in it and got them

[slender haven]

Idk if we'll ever get confirmation on it though

[ashen ocean]

See the background

[slender haven]

Still doesn't look like the Night Kingdom
It resembles the area we got the first Golden Entreaty kind of

[ashen ocean]

Khaenriah is within the leylines

[slender haven]

Possibly

Or somewhere really close to the leylines

[ashen ocean]

Wait

[frigid lily]

Ok I read the book not that interesting
Seems more fictious if anything
Cool that Natlantean is mentioned ig

[ashen ocean]

Compare now

[ashen ocean]

Root of Irminsul*

[slender haven]

Yeah I relates more back to the dragon lore though

[slender haven]

Stil doens't look similar to me

[frigid lily]

Explain

[ashen ocean]

See the streaks in the background

[slender haven]

Waxaklahun in the quests talks a lot about "evolution" in the world quests and is implied that he wants to "evolve" humanity somehow
He's also similarly referred to as a "human" in quotes several times
Personally I have a theory Khaenri'ahns may be these "evolved" humans

The power source is very similar to phlogiston though so I'm not sure

[frigid lily]

Ok

So no Seelie lore

Sad

I want cute girly seelie lore not ugly manly dragon lore

[ashen ocean]

If you assume the nation to be inside the roots, it makes sense that the cataclysm “shaking the foundations of the world” was the description

Also, Khaenriah has memory or spirit manipulation powers (possibly khemia’s purpose) if you consider the function of capitano’s heart

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Leaks say we'll get the Xiuhcoatl angel mukbang video in the new region /j

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They also had azosite, which is an energy made from leyline juice

[ashen ocean]

Yes

And each source has its own unique memories

If you go by the importance of the eye of the first field tiller

[frigid lily]

Do you guys think the other artifact set will be about the crimson moon dynasty
It has Arlechinno's aesthetic

[ashen ocean]

Could be

Crimson Moon before the fall

[slender haven]

No

It could be about Khaenri'ah though

Arlecchino's aesthetic is a little more "plant-like" I think

[ashen ocean]

I still think Khaenrians directly worshipped the Heavens without knowing it

[frigid lily]

I just mean more in the colors

Black white and red

[slender haven]

The blue set is pretty clealry Skirk so I guess we'll be getting more Skirk\Surtalogi\ and Narwhal lore

[ashen ocean]

@slender haven see the left background of both images and compare the streaks

[frigid lily]

If the Crimson moon was Ronova then yeah I guess

[slender haven]

So is the Bloodstained Knight's set and he wasn't Khaenri'ahn

[ashen ocean]

I dont think it was just ronova

Red is used by all shades

[slender haven]

They still look different, NK barely has them

[frigid lily]

Fair

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Sustainer had gold too though

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Anyways I don't really care I just want Seelie lore

[ashen ocean]

Red power = celestial power

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Her cubes are red

[slender haven]

Gold here too though

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Gold precedes Red in the process of alchemy

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I guess

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Iirc theres a record of Jakob wondering why Khaenriah stopped at gold

Or swapped the final two steps

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I guess cause he thought they were selfish

Or something

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Or too proud

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Its because they dumb

[slender haven]

It's also probably Gold, the person, in some way

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Rhinedottir also stopped at gold

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You know, thinking about Skirk's element reminded me of something

[ashen ocean]

She couldnt get to Red alchemy like the shades can

[slender haven]

I forget what the different stages even mean

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Black -> White -> Gold -> Red

And each colour corresponds with some phase of the story in the play Nibelung

[frigid lily]

This thing

[slender haven]

She could have achieved it now

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and also represents the corresponds to the stages in attaining the magnum opus

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I think the sinners are cursed to forever chase perfection

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Like thematically or literally

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Both

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Not literally

Cause they got away from Celestia and transcended

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Only PO and his four shades exhibit the powers of the magnum opus

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They got the power and bolted right after

They never confronted ig

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That we know of
Albedo is her magnum opus

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And went outside the world

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“Magnum opus” as in greatest achievement v

?

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Yeah

Since he's "chalk" whatever that means

[frigid lily]

There's also the one horned white horse or whatever
It seems pretty important because it almost achieved what Rhinedottir wanted for her creations

[ashen ocean]

Interesting

[slender haven]

Yeah, I think she wants to become a descender

All of them do probably
Except Vedrfolnir maybe

He's fine being a crystal

[ashen ocean]

Could it be for skirk, or rhine ?

The heroine?

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That is stage 2 or 3

[frigid lily]

The heroine is Zhiqiong

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Ah

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No he's some kind of enhanced being

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Descender lore is interesting because it seems to be related to Ronova in some way
As in, to become a Descender you kind of need to have some relation to death?
Its hinted at in Perinheri, and I still find it incredibly interesting

[ashen ocean]

Ig she was overwhelmed by the abyssal power

Too much for her to wield

[frigid lily]

Well I was just talking about how the crystal is a "frostglaze crystal"
Aka cryo?

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I think in order to become a descender you need to "die" and split yourself off from the world by doing it
Narzissenkreuz wanted to be a descender yet his will was too weak to reform and he needed a "wordly" anchor to be revived, thus preventing him from being a descender

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An abyssal dragon mimic that became a human

[frigid lily]

This is what I kind of think too

[slender haven]

No he isn't abyssal

Or a dragon

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Perinheri just describes the process of reaching khaenriah

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We see him being grown in a test tube in the Hexenzirkel video

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You either die or reach there physically

[slender haven]

Mhm

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Since Khaenriah is in leylines like the NK

[slender haven]

I don't think that was literal
Pierro says the book isn't very exact on the details

[ashen ocean]

The first albedo was a dragon
So was elynas

The second stage had humanoids

Siegewienne and Albedo are as close to humans as they can get

[slender haven]

No he wasn't, they got fed to a dragon though

[frigid lily]

Also in Perinheri there's a girl named Angelia
Makes me think Seelie lore

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Yeah, I think she might be a shade though

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How do

*so

[ashen ocean]

We will get a confirmation soon with Wuk for sure, or the new set

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Wasnt durin her creation too ?

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How ?

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She calls herself "freedom itself" or something which reminds me of Istaroth since she's so connected with winds and Venti
She's also described as being even higher than a witch and almost like she's some kind of almighty being

[slender haven]

Yeah he was but Durin wasn't an Albedo

[slender haven]

Wuk?

You mean Waxa?
Why would he give Crimson Moon lore?

[frigid lily]

Fair

[slender haven]

Yeah

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I just thought it'd have something to do with Columbina when I first read it

Creepy damsel like girl and all

With angel motif

[slender haven]

I guess that would kind of make sense since the Knave and the Columbina are connected in the original play but since when have they been consistent with that before?

[frigid lily]

Columbina is weird
But I care not for her

But its woth mentioning that

[slender haven]

Yeah she's kind of overrated

I'm more interested in Dottore's backstory tbh

[frigid lily]

Perinheri is like based on an irl book series
I searched up a bit about it a while back
There were some interesting stuff

[ashen ocean]

During was still a failed experiment before albedo

Actually

[slender haven]

Yeah you told me about this once
You though Capitano would be "Ruggiero" right?

[ashen ocean]

I think Wuk is going to drop more Rhine lore than anything else

[frigid lily]

Columbina is weird for me because she's obviously going to be a Seelie but at the same time I do not know how her being a Seelie is going to affect her lore

[slender haven]

She fed a bunch of the prototype Albedos to him though

[ashen ocean]

Rhine wanted to toy with evolution and ended up with dragons twice before she could get to a working albedo

[slender haven]

Whose Wuk again?

[frigid lily]

Yeah, in the book he was like a guy from Africa who had a cursed destiny

[ashen ocean]

Och Kan’s homophobic/ supportive father

[slender haven]

He's Waxa

But I think he's going to give Nibelung lore not Rhine

[ashen ocean]

Wuxulhakun Ubah Kan

Wuk for short

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Idts, he does prattle about evolution

[slender haven]

His name is Waxaklahun Ubah Kan

[slender haven]

Yes but that doesn't mean he's inherently connected to Rhine dumbass

[frigid lily]

I fucking hope so considering the AQ robbed us of that
Also please give Seelie lore too
I don't care if he just spends an hour describing how tasty eating Seelies are I'll eat it up just as well

[slender haven]

My theory is that Nibelung "evolved" Khaenri'ahns and that's why they can use elements naturally

[ashen ocean]

Not connected, but rather shed light on the dragon and human origins and the lore bit on evolution

That will shed more light on rhine

[slender haven]

I'm not super into seelie lore but yeah it would be nice to get some more I guess
But tbh I think they're saving the seelie lore dump for Hyperborea