・genshin-spoilers

[slender haven]

That's just them creating elemental shields for themselves
They're still Geo

[ashen ocean]

So geo vishaps are the only ones that get a pass for multi element impurity ?

Anemo too

If they exist

[slender haven]

Yes
The hydro vishaps in Enkanomiya completely bred out their hydro genes while Geo vishaps just temporarily augment themselves

[slender haven]

Yeah probably

[ashen ocean]

Could it be considered flawed cos even the geo Azhdaha and vishaps use is out of “form” or “order”

Very misshapen

Weak

Like a raw rock

[slender haven]

Azdaha got misshapen due to erosion

[ashen ocean]

Rather than the ordered cube like structures we see with our geo vision holders and beings

[slender haven]

Idk

[ashen ocean]

Also, there was a spot in the chasm where it looks like

There was an outburst of geo

[slender haven]

Azdaha went to the Chasm because people were mining there

[ashen ocean]

No no

[slender haven]

That's where Zhongli stopped him

[ashen ocean]

I mean where he was found first

Or rather came from

After he was defeated by the big P

[slender haven]

We don't know where Zhongli first found him
That could just be a fairly tale too

[ashen ocean]

To tell the truth witboht irminsul

Yes

[slender haven]

Maybe if we get a second Neuvillette quest he'll tell us who all the other sovereigns are

[ashen ocean]

What i assume was
Geo Sovereign is defeated and loses most of his life force in an explosion in chasm near the dragon city, and becomes a tiny deformed vishap

That vishap is found later by zhongli

And christened as azhdaha

[frigid lily]

Sovereign lore is weird atm honestly

[ashen ocean]

Also, wasnt zhongli a dragon ?

Or just another geo elemental being

[slender haven]

He isn't tiny

[slender haven]

He's an adeptus

He's also half Qillin

[ashen ocean]

He was* or rsther in tiny power
And took ages to regain a bit of it from the whooping he took

[ashen ocean]

Human - Qilin like Ganyu ?

[slender haven]

No just pure Qillin

[slender haven]

Well yeah he used to be the size of a mountain

[ashen ocean]

Took a while to grow that big for zhongli to come and resolve him ig

I have a doubt
Do melusines get accepted by leylines ?

If khaenrians cant for being tainted by the disorder incarnate abyss , but melusines spawning from the abyss can ?

[slender haven]

Khaenri'ahns were cursed by Ronova, melusines weren't

[ashen ocean]

They were cursed by the PO tho, not just ronova

[slender haven]

No it was Ronova who was ordered by the HP

[frigid lily]

I always kind of wonder how Wanderer and Albedo also get accepted into leylines
As non humans what I mean

[slender haven]

Non humans can get accepted too

[ashen ocean]

Eh, management passing down errands and shirking away responsibility but yeah the same

But still , whats the rationale

[slender haven]

They wanted to punish all Khaenri'ahns for bringing in the abyss regardless if they actually did anything

Half breed Khaenri'ahns got turned into hillichurls

[ashen ocean]

But leave out abyss spawn like melusines ?

[slender haven]

Melusines were created after the Cataclysm so

[frigid lily]

Well they also didn't punish the sinners despite all the awful shit they did
You'd expect them to kill them but no
PO's priorities are weird

[ashen ocean]

So was the curse tho

[slender haven]

Well the Sinners are probably immortal too they're just kind of immune from it
Also they fled Khaenri'ah before Celestia could get them

Most of the Archons would have probably died if they didn't leave tbh

[ashen ocean]

Verdrfornir got crystallised
Either on his own or jailed by celestia

[slender haven]

No the curse happened when the Cataclysm did
Also melusines aren't Khaenri'ahns

[ashen ocean]

Fair wbough

[slender haven]

Or the other sinners did it to him

[ashen ocean]

Betrayal on betrayal ? Why though

Nvm its too esrly for it

[slender haven]

Vedrfolnir may have been too strong or threatening to their goals

[ashen ocean]

Revealed later when Rerir tells it himself in nod krai

[slender haven]

What

[ashen ocean]

Rerir the moon hunter

One of two sinners we have no lore of

[slender haven]

How do you know if he'll be in Nod Krai

[ashen ocean]

Dottore and his research on moons
And that regions relation with the moons

[slender haven]

Maybe

[ashen ocean]

And Skirk in 5.7

[slender haven]

Surtalogi might appear then

[ashen ocean]

A loretuber who predicted 5.1 near 100% anticipated Rerir in 5.3

[slender haven]

Well Rerir wasn't in 5.3

[ashen ocean]

Since 5.0 Natlan had a bit of Moon lore / teasing and the 5.1 sky reveal

And 5.3 being an incomplete chapter to natlan’s plot for now

And the whole perinheri book about the crimson moon and ronova

[slender haven]

Yeah, maybe Rerir is the blanked out name

[frigid lily]

The sinners are so weird atm
Same for the Hexenzirkel
Personally, I only want more Seelie lore

[slender haven]

Seelies are old news now

Get with the times

[ashen ocean]

Is it safe to say the crimson moon was just ronova ?

[slender haven]

No

They're probably different

[frigid lily]

I feel like the blanked out name has to be someone who has like
Been forgotten or something
But Rerir is a good candidate I guess even though we know next to nothing about him

[ashen ocean]

We already get a sense of what his form may be in the narwhal second phase , the abyssal knight

[slender haven]

Yeah maybe

[ashen ocean]

Seelie lore is directly tied to the moon lore now is it not

[slender haven]

Yeah I guess

[ashen ocean]

Also, what xbalanque says about the sun in Mavuika SQ;
Can it be applied to the sun the dragons used/ sun chariot?

[frigid lily]

It is, and Dragon and Descender lore as well
Cuz the Dragons ate the Seelies in Natlan and there's the story of the Seelie and the Outlander

[frigid lily]

Haven't done her story quest yet because I hate her so idk
But sun lore is interesting
I mean the Chariot literally fell in the Chasm

[ashen ocean]

I kinda feel cheated out of Natlan for Nibelung lore ngl

The dragon turned out to be fucking och kan

From the murals

[frigid lily]

There's still a chance for one of the murals to be depicting Nibelung

[slender haven]

No he wasn't

[frigid lily]

The one with the Seelies for example is 100% him

[ashen ocean]

Ubah Kan has to carry Natlan’s finishing note on his wings

[slender haven]

The guy with the mask on is Och-kan

[ashen ocean]

Only the murals on och kan natlan ?

Do You mean

[slender haven]

Yes
The dragon with snake fangs is probably Nibelung

[slender haven]

We also see the same dragon in Ochkanatlan too
After the og mural of Och-kan disappears

[frigid lily]

Yeah, and it was like going after the moons right?

[slender haven]

And Celestia in the middle

[frigid lily]

That as well

[slender haven]

Yes, Nibelung is also probably the second descender too from what we know

[ashen ocean]

Cant he be the first

Being able to mold fate to his will

And thus reigned until PO came and threw him out

[slender haven]

Well no, before the PO there was no concept of the idea of descenders

[lone sable]

i wont lie the way citlalis EN VA delivers her lines are so off putting lol

like its straight up just the wrong tone

[untold rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/rabbitbunnny/status/1875884924252959209?t=HbS6glTdiCa-esl8TBmZGQ&s=19

[frigid lily]

Praying Columbina kills Mavuika

[dense hound]

Isn’t Mavuika now technically drawing power from Capitano? >.>

Capitano give me strength this is base Columbina we’re up against

[slender haven]

There's a part of me that really wants Columbina to get ruined too, turn her into a cringe Traveler simp Hoyoverse, you know you wanna

I want the Columbina fans to suffer as I have suffered

[frigid lily]

I want her to turn into a Traveler simp only if it means she actually isn't a Seelie
Because honestly I only care about Columbina because those CBT Voiceover lines about her are the biggest piece of evidence for my theory, otherwise I really don't care about her

[slender haven]

You'd rather take character assaination rather than your theory being wrong? Honestly I respect it.

[frigid lily]

They're gonna assasinate all the female Harbringers anyways
Look what they did to Arlecchino, and Sandrone is already implied to want to work with the Traveler based on that Fontaine world quest
They'll do the same for Columbina 100% especially since she's so much more hyped

Also thank your for respecting my pettiness

[slender haven]

They're going to turn Sandrone into a tsundere/yandere, Columbina into a ditz, and the Tsaritsa into a brat.

I can't wait to see fatuihq's reaction, god I can't wait

[frigid lily]

Nah, remember Tsaritsa's CBT voiceline? Venti mentions how Traveler helped "melt the ice away" and everything so obviously the Tsaritsa is going to see Traveler's 1 inch dull sword and immediately stop all plans to invade Celestia
And then we get a story quest where we go on a date with her or something

[frigid lily]

I love FatuiHQ
If no one's got me I know FatuiHQ got me

[slender haven]

Pierro is also gonna be killed off screen and blamed for all of the fatui's actions 🔥 🔥 ✍️

[slender haven]

I hate FatuiHQ
If everyone's got me I know FatuiHQ don't got me

[frigid lily]

Dottorre is gonna have a clone of him where he's all nice and doesn't condone Dottores action
Pantalone is actually giving away money to the poor
And uhh Pulcinella idk

[frigid lily]

Do they glaze Columbina there too much

[slender haven]

Pulcinella isn't even gonna get a model

[slender haven]

Yeah they're all brain dead too, saying Dottore and Columbina are stronger than Capitano

[frigid lily]

😭

Damn
When I visited it these last few days I didn't see that

I saw just people being pissed at the AQ

[slender haven]

Though Columbina does get a lot of glaze of "OMG biBLIcaLLy AcCurRate ANgeL"

[slender haven]

Yes that was there too but I saw a lot of smaller comments saying stuff like that too

[frigid lily]

I want Angelbina theory to die already
People act like its 100% canon
Murata is going to be revived and be the true Seelie trust

Also like

The Angelbina people

[slender haven]

Oh she's gonna be an angel, I just want her to be a lame good guy instead of scary

Also have her glaze the fuck out of Mavuika

[frigid lily]

Constantly think Columbina is this mega powerful Goddess too
Even though if that was the case she wouldn't be 3rd

[slender haven]

If you ever bring up the "Harbingers are ranked by strength" they just ignore you

The only harbinger who is possibly stronger than Capitano is Pierro but they just don't accept that

[frigid lily]

Anyways I don't want her to be an Angel and I don't think she will be one
I'm very petty like that
Also her CBT voicelines said she was only 450+ years old
And I'll stick to believing that hasn't changed

[slender haven]

Maybe

[tawdry blade]

Someone just point out Venti can guide soul, something that took Capi 500 years to do, this guy is not a joke,can't wait for Mondstadt arc again

[frigid lily]

Cool well Venti is a God Capitano isn't lol

[tawdry blade]

All other god can't do that lol

Capitano need to become master of the leyline just for that

[frigid lily]

Ok? Its still impressive

Why are you bringing down Capitano to hype Venti up

[tawdry blade]

Capi only has that with artificial heart

[frigid lily]

We already know Venti's obviously important

[tawdry blade]

Also you are the one thinking I am bringing down Capitano,I never intent to do that,just pointing out Venti is secretly overpower

And no,even if you said it is "obvious" people still think he is weak and other thing

[frigid lily]

Because he is weak, as in he's not strong fighting wise

[tawdry blade]

Remind me of a time I compare Venti to Scaramoche

[ashen ocean]

So i just saw an interesting comparison

Raidens CA is the crescent moon
Mavuika CA is the Sun

[ashen ocean]

Furina CA releasers stars

It sucks how we dont get more lore regarding the Shades and Archon interactions beyond Raiden and Mavu

[slender haven]

Andrius can also summon dead souls

Istaroth powers be hitting different

Varka probably is gonna be the strongest human at this rate

[tawdry blade]

Summon≠ guiding them to afterlife

[slender haven]

He can still manipulate souls, not many characters can do that

[plain crane]

Geovishap don't actually change elements, they are always Geo, they just infuse elemental energy into their armour when they connect to the Ley Lines, so they can use other elemental abilities without actually becoming a different element.

Hydro and Pyro Vishap completely change elements at their core so they're impure.
As for Dendro and Geo, we'll only know when Apep and Azhdaha die. I think currently Dendro Vishap adaptation to other elements through shrooms and Wenut might now make them impure if Apep dies though. It's possible no dragon will return a normal dragon anymore.

[tawdry blade]

Pyro Vishap?

Or you mean Natlan saurian

[slender haven]

Pyro vishaps are brought up in some interactables

They used to exist but they evolved into saurians

[ashen ocean]

Are there mentions of anemo vishaps yet ?

[frigid lily]

No

[frigid lily]

How about stab mavuika instead
Much better

[ashen ocean]

Columbina is part angel part anemo vishaps part human

New prediction

[frigid lily]

Columbina is just a random girl from Natlan
My prediction

[slender haven]

She's actually a vampire with no fangs and her true name is Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way

[untold rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/Lunivyn/status/1875872664189083666?t=THam1ByLitzxqQXrDJf2vw&s=19

[frigid lily]

Ok so I'm thinking about Guthred

In the newest quest they said that he like

Wasn't the greatest person

And that makes me wonder

About that concotion he made to help cure abyss sickness

Do you guys think that might come back later

Like maybe it will turn out that there was something bad in that potion?

[frigid lily]

Also Capitano says Guthred sacrificed himself to make that potion but that doesn't seem to be the case???

[ashen ocean]

Wasnt the guthred we meet not actually him

But memories of guthred from others forming a “Guthred”

[frigid lily]

Yes, but I'm talking about the Guthred Capitano talked about
The actual real one

[ashen ocean]

Oh

Hm

[ashen ocean]

Was there any continuation to this

[frigid lily]

No

[slender haven]

Vedrfolnir I guess

[frigid lily]

Is it ever stated if Mavuika was called by Celestia to go to Khaenri'ah
Because all of the Archons were so

[tawdry blade]

No,she 💤

Not all

[frigid lily]

Well yeah Rhukkhadevata went to protect Irminsul

But still

Everyone else kind of was
Venti was asleep though at the time

[tawdry blade]

Egeria doing something in the desert

[frigid lily]

Yes, in the desert near Khaenri'ah so

[tawdry blade]

There were Khaeriahan helping her fighting the abyss though

Also did the guy that try to reopen the portal in that place die yet,he got away with it

And I forgot most of the quest

[frigid lily]

I think he died
Idk
I forgot most of the quest also

I'm thinking about the name in the Pyro Gemstone description again. I wanna try and like, weigh in our options on what that name is and how we can try to speculate on who it was?

Ok so first of all, I feel like the blank name has to be someone we've heard of at least, because I don't think it would make sense for it to be a completely new character we've never heard of that got erased from Irminsul or whatever. I think it would just be badly written (but it can still happen)

So to try and find candidates I think we need to fully analyze what little we know about the Pyro Gemstone:

Its narrated by Mavuika, so whoever this blank name is, its someone Mavuika knows about

The gemstone description supposedly refers to the "cycle" the pyro Archons go through, because Mavuika narrates it in the Archon quest, so this name is in relation to this "cycle"

"If the intention yet remains" is confusing regardless of his death, I'm 100% sure that the "he" in question is Capitano. But idk what intention is it talking about and what truth is he supposed to learn?

So at the very least, it has to be someone in relation to Natlan's history and perhaps Capitano? Who knows.

The only few interpretations I can think of are like...

One of the descenders (I mean I guess they have nothing to do with Natlan's history or Capitano but idk)

"Murata" but thats part of my crack theory and its the least likely option

Columbina...? Maybe...?

And those are the only 3 options I can think of really

I wanna know
What is
Up with
This
Damn
Name

Its the only mystery I care to know about

I guess it could also not be a person all together

But I feel like thats boring

[weary oriole]

Erm
Well
Mavuika was not the first or original Pyro archon

So she couldn't have attended

[frigid lily]

Ok but she was the Archon at the time so she would have still been called

[frigid lily]

Ei's voicelines implies she went to Khaenri'ah

[weary oriole]

She basically jumped 500 years into the future

[frigid lily]

Actually no, it doesn't imply it straight up says she was from Khaenri'ah

Sorry not from

Went to Khaenri'ah

I phrased that wrong

[weary oriole]

She went there but not to attend to the archons meeting

She wentbto help her sister but found her dead

[frigid lily]

No I'm talking about the fact that Ei mentions in her voicelines that Mavuika went to Khaenri'ah

[weary oriole]

Oh?

I guess it's a good possibility then

Cause natlan is the worst affected nation from khanrieah

[frigid lily]

Yes but thats not expended upon is what I mean
I don't think Mavuika ever mentions she went to Khaenri'ah

[ashen ocean]

Could mare jivari be another gate to Khaenriah

[slender haven]

Every archon except Rukk went to Khaenri'ah to help wreck it

[ashen ocean]

I think its safe to say that Mare Jivari will be the final Natlan expansion and Mavuika SQ2 will happen there

[frigid lily]

I feel like there won't be a Mavuika SQ2
I feel like it will be an interlude instead

[ashen ocean]

Why so ?

Mare Jivari does leave the hint of abyssal remains and a new different monster there

[frigid lily]

I feel like just because
The Pyro Gnosis and everything else
I mean maybe she will get a SQ2, but I don't think it will be a big one

[ashen ocean]

Iike Nahida’s SQ2 is what am imagining

[frigid lily]

No no, I agree with the Mare Jivari part
I just think we will go there in an interlude, not in an SQ2

[ashen ocean]

Also, did nahida go into the chasm ? Its been 2 years and i do not remember

[ashen ocean]

Hmm
But we have the pressing matter of a second harbinger arriving at Natlan
Would that not move the plot forward moreso than Marw Jivari

Unless its a Itto Yelan Yanfei Chasm plot again

[frigid lily]

I think Mare Jivari will play into that is what I mean
Mare Jivari just seems very important

[ashen ocean]

A mini night kingdom was supposedly constructed to contain the souls there was it not ?

[frigid lily]

Uhh where is that said

[tawdry blade]

No

If you look at every other archon sq2

It all take place in old area

Also hoyo wouldn't force us to explore the entire map just to do the quest wouldn't they?(I know you can fight the boss instantly but still)

As for the Chasm interlude quest, we had to wait 1 patch since Chasm release day so I doubt they will add the quest when Mare just came out

Btw,if you talk to the Natlan npc near the dock in Mondstad you get to know they have similar artifact/relic to the broken "moon" in the sky

[frigid lily]

Interesting

[ashen ocean]

I suppose like Dain and Chasm then

Or why not give us a portion of the new are explored as part of the quest

And the world quests for the remainder

[ashen ocean]

Wait is it new ?

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,you can find some outside Natlan

Only after you finished the quest

[tawdry blade]

It was Traveler quest so it different

[ashen ocean]

Hoyo has been breaking patterns lately so I hope this somehow transpires

[weary oriole]

Lmao

Mavuika's motorbike is truly breaking patterns

So I agree

[ashen ocean]

They should have made her catalyst and given her lanyan’s autos

Made her tron

Rinzler*

https://tenor.com/view/tron-rinzler-gif-10106886689234993549

[stable dove]

I was looking forward to mare jivari the most😔

[frigid lily]

We'll still get it, probably in 5.6 though

Or 5.7, who knows

They've been changing their schedule a lot lately

[stable dove]

I hope so

[frigid lily]

Mavuika's character story are so painful to read
How can people not read them and still believe she isn't a boring perfect at everything mary sue

[plain crane]

Just wait for the Tsaritsa:

[tawdry blade]

We will see when we know Tsarista design

Mavuika design was obvious she is gonna drive a motorcycle

[slender haven]

Her ass jiggles when she walks that's why

[frigid lily]

DOES IT ACTUALLY???

[slender haven]

Yes

[frigid lily]

What the fuck 😭😭

[slender haven]

I saw someone else point it out and I uhhh...checked

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[frigid lily]

I knew it was a thing in ZZZ
Did not know they were adding it to Genshin

[slender haven]

Yep, now if only they could add the giant bears into Genshin too

And I by that I mean literal bears

[frigid lily]

😭

They add bears and a blue oni
But no actual dark skinned people
Amazing

[slender haven]

The one dark-skinned character in HSR has moves named stuff like "field tiller" too lmao

[frigid lily]

Doesn't one of the dark skinned characters in hsr have like
Constellations and talents mentioning shackles or whatever

[slender haven]

There's only one dark-skinned character I can even think of so I'm guessing they're the same

[frigid lily]

Yeah i mean i dont play hsr i dnt kknkw that characters name

[slender haven]

Yeah I looked it up, their name is Arlan

[tawdry blade]

Ruin guard,real

[slender haven]

He does use electricity so

[frigid lily]

Somehow hyv naming these characters slurs would feel less offensive

Do you guys still remember spanish conquistador pyro archon
Good times

[slender haven]

Imagine if Capitano lost to that thing

[frigid lily]

I actually liked that design
Because at least I could somehow imagine a personality for it
Even if that personality was racism

[slender haven]

I actually do wish we got a region based on Spain though

[slender haven]

I thought the design was pretty good too, actually might be better than the current one (not a high bar I guess), at least if Natlan was just based on Spain

[frigid lily]

Fontaine is the closest to that
It has some incredibly small Spain influence
Emphasis on incredibly small

[slender haven]

Yeah I guess

That could honestly just be because French culture takes some inspiration from Spain too lmao

[frigid lily]

Thats probably the case

[ashen ocean]

Which is why i hope her SQ unlocks Mare Jivari

Have her show some vulnerability / waver a bit

Also, has anyone found what the script in the tower, at the Nest of Nightmares , means ?

There are two places where we can entee the night kingdom/ nursery of nightmares

[tawdry blade]

What

[ashen ocean]

Is this true

[tawdry blade]

Not sure what is that person talking about

Dain intro?

What intro

Where

I am reading the glider lore again atm

[ashen ocean]

I suppose the first dain quest , the call from the adventurer's guild

or dain's intro from their SM or elsewhere]

[hasty narwhal]

Probably this:

"The original calamity had been overturned, yet the island in the sky set the earth to burn. Chalk pursues gold, in this time inopportune, the eclipse is swallowed by the crimson moon. The future must atone for bygone mistakes, as the bond familiar falters and breaks— of the same blood, elders and the youth... Such is the cycle of the world, in truth. Dain, what is that strand of blonde hair to you? Someone you must kill? Or the object of your penitence?"

—A self-proclaimed prophet.

[frigid lily]

Nope, but its pretty interesting

[frigid lily]

They're never going to do that
Her story quest will just be more of her looking badass and hot with no personality

[sullen palm]

A Khaenri'ahn now sits at the throne of the night kingdom, defying death while staring straight at its eye.

hoyo staff make him playable, i know you will

[ashen ocean]

Not with dottore around

[ashen ocean]

Hopefully that hold changes by then with Skirk taking the bullet instead

Another theory I saw on Dawit YT’s comment sections:

that Khaenriah being at the base of the roots of Irminsul, is actually within the Leylines, like the Night Kingdom, Both in concept and physically. Night Kingdom being a crude / good copy of what Khaenriah is (and to a lesser extent what Mare Jivari had experienced to curb the cataclysm there)

Which is why the gate to khaenriah has the achievement titled the line from Dante’s Inferno and Perinheri alluding it to be Hell / place where souls go, and why at the end of the tunnel they ask if you are dead. Och Kan/ Cocuik drilled a hole nearly a kilometre deep to get to the Night Kingdom, so Khaenriah must be of similar location. Hence Ronova is the shade most important to Khaenriah (major element related to her domain) and is the “Crimson Moon” mentioned in Perinheri terrified at the cataclysm

Nibelung both in its myths and here, the abyss, attacks the world tree from the roots where Khaenriah is (cataclysm consumed khaenriah first before heading to the other 7 nations)

Khaenrian tech does work with leylines and souls, Capitano’s heart and the Sumeru Ruin Grader / Heart of the first field tiller show that

With the above I opine that the Crimson Moon dynasty were Celestia loyalists while the Eclipse Dynasty were serving / using the Abyss

[frigid lily]

Very interesting

[slender haven]

Khaenri'ah worshiped the Crimson Moon became they thought it'd be the place the Abyss emerged from though. My guess is that maybe the Crimson Moon is something trying to "mimic" Ronova.

[ashen ocean]

Where was that mentioned ?

[slender haven]

Arle's weapon

"and the darkness hidden within the bottom of the abyss shall too emerge from the Crimson Moon."

[ashen ocean]

A keen-edged weapon, luster dazzling as the crimson moon. It is said that an ancient dynasty once regarded it as a ritual object that could bridge two worlds, but none still remember the beliefs and ceremonies of that bygone age.

This ?

[ashen ocean]

It also mentions the crimson moon fading away from their records and memories

[ashen ocean]

Perhaps this was a bastardisation of the truth later on by the eclipse?

[slender haven]

That's probably just a reference to their dynasty getting overthrown

By the Eclipse

[ashen ocean]

“”By the time of the blackened sun, the name of the Crimson Moon had long faded along with the crimson that had flowed. Only the epithet "Balemoon" remained to stain the lingering detritus.””

[ashen ocean]

Yes

Seducinf Khaenriah away from Celestia and into the abyss

[slender haven]

No they were still abyss

Or wherever the Crimson Moon is from

[ashen ocean]

“Thus they yearned for transcendent individuals to build countless glorious towers, and prayed for the long-dead Crimson Moon to bring them salvation.
Until the astrologists branded as heretics glimpsed in the inverted image of the false sky the origin of all the world's fate,
Until the unquenchable flames of doubt and fury blazed across the dreamless realm like wildfire, finally burning to the moonlight-hued palace itself...”

[ashen ocean]

How w

[ashen ocean]

Ig forbidden knowledge is how they left behind the crimson moon

[slender haven]

Because the Crimson Moon is from beyond the world

It isn't Ronova

[ashen ocean]

Light Realm ?

[slender haven]

No, space

The Light Realm is the dragon realm

[ashen ocean]

That celestia likely isnin

Is in*

[slender haven]

Celestia is the Human Realm technically
They just usurped the light realm

[ashen ocean]

Only a front of it

Tonituah and celestia are nearly at the same height off the ground

They never faced an Icarus situation of humans with anemo trying to get there ?

[slender haven]

I guess

[slender haven]

Most humans with anemo probably aren't that strong with their anemo
Och-kan was a genius demigod so he was able to

[ashen ocean]

Still
Not even a rogue adeptus ? Or an archon throwing a hissy fit !

?

[ashen ocean]

The first descender is beyond the world and if hes the PO then Ronova can be argued to be from beyond the world as well

[slender haven]

Archons and adepti would probably be too scared
Och-kan didn't really care about Celestia though

[ashen ocean]

There must be a first case to make an example of for them to be scared
A sacrificial goat

[slender haven]

I guess yeah but the Crimson Moon is too alien
Plus it looks a little different from Ronova since we see Arlecchino summon it

[ashen ocean]

Och Kan was too far in love with Xbalanque to care about celestia wasnt he

[ashen ocean]

They did mention the crimson moon has to turn around/ open eyes

[slender haven]

I mean...they did have something going

[ashen ocean]

Ronova is too alien as well

[slender haven]

Yeah but I don't think they're the same
They're just similar

[ashen ocean]

All of the shades are

[slender haven]

Khaenri'ah never had a god so they wouldn't worship Ronova

[ashen ocean]

Arle is running the crimson moon from teyvat temu

[slender haven]

I guess lol

[ashen ocean]

Not worship but more like follow her instructions
Since they were at the very base of irminsul

Theres also the title of Irmin besides the title of King

[slender haven]

Irmin was the king

That was just his name

[ashen ocean]

Is it said a: a name or a title ? Or could it be lost in translation as well ?

[slender haven]

Idk but I think it was a name

[slender haven]

The spear straight up says they worshiped the moon though

[ashen ocean]

Loretuber MyNameForNow argued that Irmin is a title and given to one who control leylines / gains utmost knowledge / something along this line

And that Nibelung was the first “Irmin”

[slender haven]

Plus the abyss leaking out of it

[slender haven]

I disagree

I do think Nibelung founded Khaenri'ah though

Or has something to do with it

[ashen ocean]

I want to put my money on Khaenriah being PO’s favorite humans a la Numenor

[slender haven]

Maybe
I've also seen a theory that Khaenri'ahn was founded by refugees from Hyperborea
Since Khaenri'ah translates to "betrayers of the wind" and Hyperborea probably has something to do with Istaroth

[ashen ocean]

I want to believe its the corruption of the idea of crimson moon by the eclipse dynasty

I have to read the spear desc again

[ashen ocean]

Hyperborea is Dragonspine now is it not ?

[slender haven]

No they're different

Dragonspine was Sal Vindangyar or something

[ashen ocean]

Oh yes

Mb

[slender haven]

It ok

[slender haven]

The dynasty already seemed to be corrupt
Since the king was being manipulated by the clergy

[ashen ocean]

Where was Hyperborea though ?

[slender haven]

Probably North

[ashen ocean]

A slow degeneration

[slender haven]

I guess yeah

[ashen ocean]

Which artefact set was this mentioned in ? Heart of Depths ?

[slender haven]

No one artifact set, just an inference since Hyperborea means northern place

[ashen ocean]

Theres also bits of the same cerulean crystal we see on nails, on the obsidian totems used by the Natlanese tribes

[slender haven]

Maybe cause there's a divine nail in the Night Kingdom

[ashen ocean]

I do wonder if the nails are phlogiston refined to pure light to enforce the PO’s logic and ward away the abyss

[ashen ocean]

Yes that too
Odd we never go near it

Then again we dont for the sumeru one too

[slender haven]

Seems to be more raw Primordial One power than just phlogiston

[slender haven]

At least we can see the nail in Natlan lol

[ashen ocean]

I do wonder why the chasm has a nail older than the sun chariot crash

At times

[slender haven]

It might not be older

[ashen ocean]

Perhaps the oldest nail on teyvat

[slender haven]

Maybe the Nail and the chariot are the same for all we know and the chariot is just what they called the nail

[ashen ocean]

The chariot eventually left back up though

[slender haven]

Well the nail we find is lifted up into the air too when we find it
Before Yelan knocked it down

[ashen ocean]

But the chariot had gone back to the sky
This is still stuck down here

On a side note

[slender haven]

The blue crystals we find that look similar to the nail are called "lumenspar" or something after all
And lumen means sun I believe

[ashen ocean]

That was the weirdest main quest looking back

[slender haven]

Well that could just be how the the storytellers viewed it
The true info may have become obscured over time

[ashen ocean]

Tru

[slender haven]

Like how a nail can become a chariot

Or maybe just the nail fell at the same time as the chariot

[slender haven]

It was pretty odd
Cool though

[ashen ocean]

Bur ig it is the first quest exploring how cataclysm damaged the already damaged leylines and creating pocket spaces

[ashen ocean]

Another odd thing is nail is in a cavern but no impact on the surface while the chariot created the visibly large crater

[slender haven]

Also one interesting thing is that the people of Chenyu Vale came from the Chasm and they could manipulate the leylines using their magic jade, which greatly resembles the Nail too hmmm

[slender haven]

The Nail could have become buried over time
Or just really dug into the earth

[ashen ocean]

Tru i forgor that
So lumen can influence leylines
Ig bits of PO logic can manipulate them at will
Like the loom of fate

[slender haven]

Yes, the Nails were designed to "fix" the leylines after all

[ashen ocean]

Still
The nails in sumeru and dragonspine transformed the whole region with themselves as epicenters

[slender haven]

Fair but the nail in Tsurumi straight up shattered when it hit the ground

[ashen ocean]

Shattered !!

??

[slender haven]

And the Night Kingdom nail is deep underground

[slender haven]

Yes, that's what is mentioned

[ashen ocean]

It is right beneath the stadium

The stadium is located in the center of a basin too

[ashen ocean]

Where

[slender haven]

So still underground

[slender haven]

In the Tsurumi Island quests
Idk check the Divine Nail wiki page

[ashen ocean]

Transformed the whole region still

[ashen ocean]

Aight

[slender haven]

Yes, so the nails in the Night Kingdom and Chasm are similar
The Chasm does kinda look like the Night Kingdom too even

[ashen ocean]

Also
Check the mare jivari wiki page
It mentions the mini night kingdom created to defeat the abyss and kill everything there to halt the caraclysm

[slender haven]

Yeah but it didn't cause the Mare Jivari to disappear. That happened centuries later

[ashen ocean]

Leyline dimension/ physical space

[slender haven]

Yeah kinda, also the rock patterns look similar

[ashen ocean]

Yeah it did not
But a guess can be made that Gosoytoth eventually corrupted it so much that the faux leyline they constructed had to be thrown into the dark sea

By itself or the PO

[slender haven]

Or whatever the Dark Beast that's there is
Maybe not Gosoythoth but something else

Definitely abyss though

[ashen ocean]

I want it to be abyss order ngl

Them Studying it to understand leylines

[slender haven]

Maybe

But then why couldn't Enjou go there?

[ashen ocean]

Because the island was missing I suppose
Or he was not invited alongside the abyss order envoy that went there

Which reminds me

Enkanomiya could be inside the Leylines as well

Being Underground

[frigid lily]

Its even more odd that there isn't one in Fontaine that we've heard of
Fontaine is currently the only nation without a nail

[ashen ocean]

Fontaine does have the primordial sea deterring all abyssal activity
Pneuma and Ousia play a part too i think
and the fact that the average fontanian was more "elemental" than the average human, all contributed as abyssal resistances or repellants imo

we could still see something in Mount Esus though

[slender haven]

I don't think Mount Esus is even gonna get released as a full area. There's nothing on it and there's no mention of any possible areas that could be on it.

[ashen ocean]

So fontaine is a done and dusted region then

no nneed for further expansion

There is one harbinger we have no clue about

right ?

no appearance no name no description

is this from any text ?

[hasty narwhal]

link to the page?

[ashen ocean]

idk that is why i posted here

but this is related to the secret source mechanisms

[hasty narwhal]

it is the description of the shuttle of odara item

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Shuttle_of_Odara

[ashen ocean]

Theres also an achievement called the Has the moon come up ? Related to one of the secret source mechanisms

[tawdry blade]

I don't know why would the dragon created a moon though

And there are mini version/other relic resemble it

Was it use to control day and night time?

Maybe the Eclipse Dynasty was based on them,by making the moon in front of the sun

Wait does that mean the Sun is also an artifact

Nevermind that,I don't think the sun ever exist in Teyvat,the broken moon has no reflection to shine on earth

[ashen ocean]

Maybe the eclipse they have as their sign is the abyss vortex one

Absence of light

[ashen ocean]

Always was judging by the existence of the sun chariot

[tawdry blade]

I doubt it is the abyss,after all,both dynasty is based of real life moon event,both are rare

[ashen ocean]

The moons purpose was to shield the planet and preserve the fates of everyone I suppose as intended by the dragons
The first descender messes them up and the constellations and thus changing the fate of the world ig

The current remnants are barely functional and hidden away for their security with the fake sky

[ashen ocean]

…true
But the eclipse dynasty does come to be following the revelation of the true sky and discovery of forbidden knowledge

[ashen ocean]

Is dvalin a vishap too ?

[frigid lily]

I think not

I'll have to check ig

[ashen ocean]

His head reminded me of the golden quqcosaur and the bathysmal vishaps

Wiki says hes a dragon born from high elemental concentration in the high heavens

[slender haven]

No

[tawdry blade]

They are all Vishap with different name

Anyway,I don't know why are people being surprised with eyes symbol after Ronova reveal,my friends ,Raiden puppet weekly design legit has those eyes,2 on her arm and 2 on her feet

[slender haven]

All dragons are vishaps but not all vishaps are dragons type stuff

Dvalin is a dragon

[plain crane]

Yeah, most Vishap are like juvenile/earlier development stage. Like for example a tadpole to a frog or a caterpillar to a butterfly maybe.

[lone sable]

did anyone do the mavuika SQ

that shit was probably the hardest slog to get through

idt i remember the last time i just started reading rly fast and skipping the voices finishing their lines

it was just namedropping xblanque for like an entire hour and then meeting him and hes just some goofy old guy

[frigid lily]

No
And I really don't want to
Just thinking about having to do it instantly ruins my day

[ashen ocean]

ye

Mavuika being less of a human than the shogun throughout the quest

[frigid lily]

You know what I have a new crack theory

Furina was a human pretending to be a God right?

Well what if Mavuika is a God pretending to be a human

[tawdry blade]

I will close that crack

Also,since the main event in 5.4 is some sort of tower consist of like 20~ floor. We might get some interesting lore here(correct me if I'm wrong)

From leaker description,look like a reverse abyss spiral

[slender haven]

The funniest part is that most of it was spent talking to other Natlan characters and not Mavuika because she's just that boring

[slender haven]

Probably incorrect
The real ironic contrast between Furina and Mavuika is that Furina was a well written character while Mavuika isn't

[frigid lily]

That theory you shared about Mavuika being a Mary Sue on purpose because she's not the real Mavuika has been honestly ingraved in my brain
But its way too smart so we know the writers won't do anything with it

[slender haven]

Yep, I think they shot the guy who wrote Fontaine behind the scenes

That's the only explanation I have

[frigid lily]

We gotta make him an ancient name and bring him back

[slender haven]

He's like Capitano
He will come back 🗣️

[frigid lily]

He'll beat the shit out of DaWei so he'll never bring his Himeko simpery to genshin ever again

[slender haven]

Yes, and he and Nod Krai will save us all from this dogshit writing

[frigid lily]

I can't wait for 5.4 to come out
Not because I'm excited for the patch
But because it means 5.5 leaks

[slender haven]

Oh how the turn tables, once so adamant against seeing leaks now fallen prey to their deadly allure

[frigid lily]

Well, I was against story leaks
I want leaks about collective of plenty though

[slender haven]

Yeah I know what you mean
I'm most curious to see what the new artifcts are going to be

[frigid lily]

Thats the thing I'm most interested on as well

Also because of whatever buffs they'll give

Because of the current nightsoul meta

[slender haven]

Yeah, one of them is probably gonna be for Mavuika because no way they aren't gonna give her her own special artifact set

[lone sable]

it literally made me go to bed at like 10 PM that shit drained me 😭

[frigid lily]

Now I'm dreading it even more

[lone sable]

I mean if you got YouTube on the side it’s not as bad ingiess

[frigid lily]

Also this is pretty neat, Nod Krai having a possible connection to Natlan would explain those leaks about us going there first before Snezhnaya.

[lone sable]

Most enjoyable part of the quest was ororons whole part and ||the idea of Xilonen just being right next to him to avoid working||

other than that it’s just undeserved glazing

I remember when people were like “aw I wish people recognized Furinas contributions and efforts :(“

well they took that the opposite route and just went on and on and on about how great of an archon and person she is like 😭

The last time I remember an archon being this heavily glazed was in Inazuma but that shit actually had layers

because she wasn’t perfect at all

[frigid lily]

Did you see the theory Angelus posted

From Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1i1vdpt/the_ode_of_resurrection_doesnt_resurrect_dead/?rdt=47252

Its this one

Its a pretty neat theory

It gives a "possible explanation"
To Mavuika's shitty Mary Sue bullshit

[lone sable]

well they sure as hell did nothing with it if it’s true

[ashen ocean]

Is Gutherd mentioned here

[lone sable]

also doesn’t that imply kachina is a copy

[ashen ocean]

I was talking somethimg similar last night too

[ashen ocean]

Did she actually die

[frigid lily]

He is

[lone sable]

yeah they said she “fell” in battle

[frigid lily]

Yeah which is interesting

And Kinich was also revived in the past too, right?

[ashen ocean]

By his vision

Not the ide

Ode

[lone sable]

wouldn’t the conclusion to the story be releasing those spirits back to the let lines or smtin

that feels like the only way

also im pretty sure since it’s Ronova who made the ode she wouldn’t make it work like that

[ashen ocean]

Now i remember what i was talkint of

I was saying that the abyss sibling is actually

A copy

Of the real one

[lone sable]

cause as far as I know Ronova is literally able to bend the rules of life and death to her will as far as I can tell

[ashen ocean]

I thibk she did

[lone sable]

since she’s the original shade of the world

it would make sense she can control life and death in her sphere of control

[ashen ocean]

Thats why PO reprimanded her

[ashen ocean]

I have a silly prediction

Since dottore’s line of work deals with ancient source mechanisms

The remains on the sky being remnants of dragon tech

Tsaritsa’s obsession with the third descender

Dottore making the gundam robot for scara with one gnosis

I think the tsaritsa will be a playable mecha made off the remains of the third

[slender haven]

They aren't

[ashen ocean]

Lemme see the final lines mavuika gave from the quest

[ashen ocean]

So its defo moon ?

[slender haven]

Yes I presume

The dragons were the ones to destroy the moons though

[tawdry blade]

No

Literally stated by Mavuika and a Natlan Npc in Mondstad

How can someone still think it is an actual moon

[mint flare]

If I reach the archon quest w the hot air balloon can I exit it and finish the ochaknatlan quest?

[tawdry blade]

Yes

[mint flare]

Also is the final battle or whatever it's called in rainbow destine to burn act?

[tawdry blade]

That is act 4

[mint flare]

Yes

[tawdry blade]

Not final battle kinda

[mint flare]

Ok

So the hot air balloon isn't the final battle?

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,we are just fighting regular abyss monster,but this time invasion is bigger

[slender haven]

Which Natlan NPC

[tawdry blade]

Near the dock

[mint flare]

So it is or isn't?

I'm confused

[tawdry blade]

Well,let just say the weekly boss fight is the final battle

[mint flare]

Does the hot air balloon one lead to that with a bunch of cutscenes and fights or does it give some time to relax😭

[slender haven]

He does call them "unknown fragments"

[tawdry blade]

Still a relic

[mint flare]

I wanna get all the character help for final battle😭

[tawdry blade]

Fight

[slender haven]

Possibly
Also there were three moons it's not a stretch that one of them could be broken above the sky

[mint flare]

Also do I need to finish tribal chronicle or smth to unlock characters story quests?

Sorry for all these questions😔

[tawdry blade]

The dragon might have weaponize them so it could be both relic and the moon

[slender haven]

The Tribal Chronicles are the character quests pretty much

[tawdry blade]

Explained why there is similar relic in Nod and whatever that NPC is researching

[slender haven]

Yes, Och-kan does mention something "falling from the moons" too

[tawdry blade]

Not sure how that help them in the war against Phanes

[slender haven]

Repurposing the enemies' weapons against them

[tawdry blade]

I can only think of orbital laser type of attack but that would only work on regular people

[slender haven]

There were the angels who had cities
So they could be prime targets

[ashen ocean]

So a relic of the secret source mechanisms ?

[ashen ocean]

Genshin 2029 giving us our own death star after thr Primordial One story quest

[tawdry blade]

I wonder what other continent see because dragon authority and Celestia don't exist over there

[ashen ocean]

Or they were part of Teyvat that fell off into the dark sea

Likely what happened with mare jivari

[tawdry blade]

Nod Krai sound big damn

I hope they cook with NodKrai design

[ashen ocean]

Where did you find more lore

[ashen ocean]

If it fixes all the issues the game has

People might forgive it for delaying tsaritsa by one year

[tawdry blade]

New event kid

[ashen ocean]

Ah

This one

[ashen ocean]

Hes run off here on an alibi hasnt he

[tawdry blade]

I was talking about him telling us where he live,which is a new location but this one is interesting too

[ashen ocean]

Nod Krai is industry plant , the region

[ashen ocean]

Is this the first NPC we meet who is from Nod Krai ?

[tawdry blade]

Yes

He even said he is from a town in Nod

[ashen ocean]

Its a dud Nod Krai didnt have much build up but ill take it

[ashen ocean]

I think Nod is at best as large as sumeru in 3.0 and 3.1

It is rhe north of natlan and west of Fontaine isnt it ?

According to Liben

[tawdry blade]

Probably west of Fontaine if Snezhaya is indeed North of Mondstadt

[frigid lily]

For those who finished Mavuika's story quest

Does Xbalanque mention anything about the other Archons or nah

[lone sable]

no

[slender haven]

No

[frigid lily]

Ok thanks

[slender haven]

He also doesn't mention Och-kan either -_-

[ashen ocean]

He just sounds heavy

When driving by Och Kan Natlan

[tawdry blade]

Eventhough he didn't mention och kan,he still acknowledged that he is the reason Mavuika is riding a bike

[lone sable]

all he does is say dang it hasnt changed like 😭

xblanque was butchered

[frigid lily]

xbalanque was never cool in the first you guys got gaslit into thinking he would be because of his glazers

[slender haven]

Because the story devs are terrified of acknowledging the side story lore in the main lore because then the people who just wanna oggle Mavuika will get confused

Mavuika also doesn't EVER mention Capitano to Xbalanque not even in a "oh I can't take all the credit there's this guy who saved my life and fixed the leylines" way

[slender haven]

It'd be like if they had Zhongli walk by Guli Assembly and be like "oh man I wonder who that Guizhong lady was"

[frigid lily]

They don't want to have Zhongli acknowledge Guizhong because otherwise the fujoshis would get mad

[slender haven]

Well they gave Guizhong a design at least
That's more then they'll ever give most of the lore characters in this game

Cause she's Chinese

[frigid lily]

I only really want to see Nabu Malikata's design honestly

[slender haven]

I want to see Deshret

And Och-kan too but I guess at least we have a full detailed mural of him

[frigid lily]

At least Deshret and Och-kan get plenty of fan designs

[slender haven]

Mhm yeah
I feel like Deshret and Nabu will get designs eventually tbh
They blueballed us so hard in the last Sumeru event

"Oh yeah this gem contains memories of Deshret and Nabu but let's not give it to Nahida cause it might upset her"
The God of Knowledge not being given knowledge

They didn't think that one out

[frigid lily]

I doubt they will ever give them both designs

[slender haven]

You're more of a doomer than me lol

They have been better with giving historical characters designs for Natlan at least
With Waxaklahun and Xiuhcoatl getting full models and Och-kan and Xbalanque getting detailed murals

[frigid lily]

I'm just being realistic

[slender haven]

Yeah I guess

[ashen ocean]

Nah

[lone sable]

Oh lol I never realized that

[slender haven]

Yep, great character

[tawdry blade]

He didn't really "fixed" the leyline,only temporary

Also Xbalanque should know about Capitano already, considering Xbalanque casually talking about his homie in Night Kingdom

[slender haven]

He literally did though now that Yohual is immortal

[slender haven]

Then Xbalanque should've mentioned Capitano once instead of meat riding Mavuika to high heavens

[tawdry blade]

Fixed mean it is done and the leyline is normal without Capitano soul there,ykwim. Whether Xbalanque should've mention him,it's Mavuika story and hoyo don't want to include him so

[slender haven]

They also didn't want to include good writing

[ashen ocean]

A change from riding Och Kan ig

[tawdry blade]

All archon 1 st story quest don't have much lore aside from Venti,I feel like you are just hating on the story quest because Capi is gone

[frigid lily]

No its just a genuinely dogshit quest

Its not because there's no lore on them

[tawdry blade]

Because you don't like Mavuika,no need to say

[frigid lily]

If other people that unironically like Mavuika also say its bad, then its bad

[slender haven]

I wish I could ride Och-kan

[frigid lily]

I wish och kan didn't exist

[slender haven]

Why

[frigid lily]

I don't get the hype behind him

Or Xbalanque

Or Sage of stolen flame

Or pretty much every single Natlan character

[slender haven]

Cause they aren't Lady of Fire?

[frigid lily]

No

Because I find them not interesting

Xbalanque and Och-Kan are just copy pasted Remus and Scylla
Whats the point

[slender haven]

No

They aren't bro

[surreal leaf]

Tf I walk in on

[slender haven]

They're all copy pastes of Decarabien

[slender haven]

Nothing much

Mavuika hate and Lady of Fire copium has just completely poisoned her brain, sad to see 😔

[surreal leaf]

I accidentally pulled mavuika so she's becoming shelved

In the meantime I got 54 wishes in 4 days

[slender haven]

Same but I'm shelving her out of spite

[frigid lily]

Pretty much
Every "god king" is always the same
Decarabian, Deshret, Remus, Xbalanque
Its repetitive. I just don't care anymore.

[slender haven]

Ok

[surreal leaf]

Is it weird I call xblanque cha cha bombaclat

I can't pronounce xblauncque

Or however you spell it

[frigid lily]

I just read it as x-blan-k

[slender haven]

I say Za-buh-lahnkay

[lone sable]

nah it was mid as hell even for a story quest

it just felt like yet another victory lap

and i get that a quest doesn’t need stakes to be good but they kept namedropping Xblanque like it was an insane deal only for it to mean basically nothing

It’s still wild to me how the most “war torn” nation is practically Disneyland compared to Inazuma

The abyss felt like a set piece more than anything

With inazumas setting it really felt like both ancient and recent battles left their mark on the land and setting

[frigid lily]

Couldn't have said it better

[tawdry blade]

I wasn't even talking about you,I know have an actual take rather than just "I don't like Mavuika",beside,Jenna was talking about how it is suck,not even at mid tier

The inazuma comparison is you talking about the world building not the story, because in most of Inazuma SQ,you don't really see result of the war,just some conflict between clan because the war is over and they no longer benefits from it

Xbalanque was still an insane deal for what he did for Natlan,I get some people are disappointed because he didn't do much in the current storyline

Though,I understand why you think Natlan is Disneyland compare to inazuma,Natlan tribe design and the map is peaceful (except for Ochkanatlan) compare to Inazuma with only 2 seemly peaceful island(although they have secret) and the rest is mysterious and ancient

I personally think monster vs human (Natlan) is less scary than human vs human(Inazuma)

[tight wagon]

Um

Characters in next version? Any news or leak?

[tawdry blade]

Mizuki?

[tawdry blade]

Just find out that in the weekly boss,in it darkness phrase,you can't see unless you use Mavuika,I was always wondering why there is a voiceline saying you are following the wrong master

[ashen ocean]

have you tried weith any other natlanese character ?

[tawdry blade]

Haven't tried Traveler yet but yeah Xilonen or Mualani don't work

[lone sable]

Lowkey dissapointed there’s no phase 2

[tawdry blade]

Yah but understandable

Atleast the boss theme actually sound good

[ashen ocean]

The archon exclusive track for Gosoytoth is better

[tawdry blade]

Yeah but

[tawdry blade]

Hmm,so Hutao might be possessed by whatever that deity is in the legend?

They never explained her unique pupils,hope this event will explain it

[slender haven]

It's an anime game. They all have weird pupils

I'm pretty sure Chongyun has snake eyes and they don't explain that

[tawdry blade]

Snake eye is nothing compare to a flower eye

We only know those who have unique pupils possessed hidden talent/power

Or a deity

[slender haven]

Fair enough I guess

Maybe, would be a nice explanation
It would even parallel and his deal with Herblord/Changsheng

[tawdry blade]

Have you guys noticed the strange orange cloud in Eroded Lord of Primal weekly domain

[frigid lily]

Its just to make the area look cooler

[tawdry blade]

Hmm could be where Gothso slash the rock

[frigid lily]

Thats the most likely answer

[finite horizon]

https://youtu.be/PtYTMiewsSY

[tawdry blade]

Interesting,so Lantern in fact take place after Natlan victory

Huh,so Hutao grand father also have flower eyes

I guess hutao family is descendant of whatever that god is

[ashen ocean]

They mention that the Border is unlike the Night Kingdom

[tawdry blade]

Well,it is a border, not a gate to afterlife

[ashen ocean]

Its like a buffer between physical realm and leylines

Makes sense that you drop down a lot inside the domaib

[tawdry blade]

Yep,the hilichurl are there too,they are trying to escape the immortality curse

the reason Hutao's family tree have to do the ritual might have something to do with monster going in

[ashen ocean]

Can someone remind me why the chasm had many hilichurls go towards a source of light to numb their pain in that one dain quest ?
What was the explanation given ?

[gray raven]

ok i don't think capitano is gone for good

[gray raven]

are you saying natlan should've been a barren wasteland or something? also inazuma's aq was a massive disappointment

[gray raven]

there's nothing wrong about natlan's appearance, people are just whiners. natlan is a nation of war, not a war torn nation. also what about act 4's war with the abyss? natlan really seems to polarising for the fanbase in general. ultimately i think this comes down to previous expectations of natlan and subjective takes in general

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-low-tier-god-ltg-gif-4022085103641635431

[ashen ocean]

I think people expected more desolate, uninhabitable areas like OchKan Natlan, Tsurimi, Serai, etc

Natlan would have done well with god remains sub plots which were present in Inazuma and Sumeru

We could have had more dragon remains tbh

Or vishap problems

[tawdry blade]

Nah, Neuvillete already said Natlanese live peacefully with the "Vishap"

People originally thought Natlan is a nation of war (as in human vs human) but it's just monster. If it was human like Inazuma war then it would be more desolate

Atleast in Natlan,monster might attack a tribe but they can still take it back also rebuild it

Inazuma? Yeah no,that place belong to the shogun now

Also almost all Inazuma area was sabotaged by the fatui

That one island rain endlessly because some dude tell the samurai to take off the orb and something?

The furnace was sabotaged by Dottore back then

Seirei island don't seem to have Fatui interference but I kind of forgot the island lore

I only know the island used to not have lightning barrier ,the broken rock was always there,just not the barrier

Tldr: Natlanese can easily rebuild their base after the abyss invasion,it was always less,they only go full forced in act 4. So there is nothing to worry about

Act 5 interlude shows it

We just come around and helping the PTSD patients

Logically there should be more npc with this problem but of course hoyo is not trying to bragging the quest too long

[lone sable]

lol no

inazumas quest is massively overhated

[ashen ocean]

those are just saurians tho
I meant vishap vishaps who didnt integrate, still resentful and remained trapped/ wild
but what you said is more valid ig

[lone sable]

it had its strengths u can’t see in other nations

[ashen ocean]

we could have had some effects of the loss of ancient names

similar to gods remains in Inazuma

since both share similar logos in how they work

Is there any similarity drawn between archon demon names and Ancient Names ?

[gray raven]

act 3 honestly ruins the whole thing imo

[gray raven]

i think stuff like being added to natlan is the future is very possible

[ashen ocean]

Only Mare fits the bill

[slender haven]

And the Volcano

[lone sable]

yes act 3 of Inazuma was so awful

[ashen ocean]

i have a suspicion that the volcano is a tourist spot for the people of the springs and collective of the plenty

[slender haven]

It contains the palace of Xiuhcoatl
So no

[ashen ocean]

is there nfo of what happened to it

also, wouldnt they want to ransack that palace /

?

[slender haven]

It got abandoned after Xbalanque killed Xiuhcoatl

[slender haven]

It's under lava
So they couldn't

And you could ask that about most ruins in this game lol

[ashen ocean]

oh

[slender haven]

Waxaklahun is probably there now
There's something there that he wants to activate

It has a really long name that I can't spell

[ashen ocean]

fair enough
I imagine a tour of old mondsdadt or Guilli plains would be fun
Anything Deshret related is a nono
same with Orobashi or any island outside of Watatasumi, Narukami and the Gojo island
Fontaine there is no region other than the Floating institute of kinetic energy that is off limits ig (nobody gaf for Remueria)
Ochkan natlan would be a prime tourist spot if not for the creepy af abyss presence there

[ashen ocean]

cant kohlasaurus swim underwater / lava ?

but yeah fair enough

[ashen ocean]

what is itk
link too pls
i bet its something to do with evolution or a nod krai tech tease

[slender haven]

Huitzilopochtli is what it was called

Doesn't have a wiki page yet though

[slender haven]

Yeah some of those would be nice but most of them contain monsters
Also Remuria is literally underwater and was intentionally sealed away by Casiodor so there's a reason for that at least

[slender haven]

Not super intense lava I don't think

Speaking of Nod-Krai
Wanna hear a theory on it?

[ashen ocean]

its an abyss infestation eh

[ashen ocean]

go on

[slender haven]

Yeah probably has abyss monsters in it
Since Xiuhcoatl was corrupted by the abyss and all

[ashen ocean]

idk
humans would defo wanna go on a monster hunting expedition for the lols

[ashen ocean]

nibelung carrier ig

xiuhcoatl hid here twice right

first after getting wrecked by PO

[slender haven]

I think the "Frostmoon" that the Scions worship isn't the moon sisters but actually the cryo Sovereign
I mean if the Pyro sovereign was the sun then the cryo sovereign should be the moon no?

[slender haven]

Well Bona did
And look at what happened to her

[ashen ocean]

ubah kan cant take on all of the humans

[slender haven]

Only once
To fake his death, then he took over Natlan again

[ashen ocean]

theres an issue
raiden CA shows the crescent moon

[slender haven]

He probably could take on a small army at least

[ashen ocean]

Electro was favoured by one of the moons

[slender haven]

The moon shows up everywhere
It just has a general theme of transcendence I think

[ashen ocean]

cryo could be another

[slender haven]

Maybe

[ashen ocean]

if you refer to aashikai theory

[slender haven]

But the "Frostmoon" could be the Cryo Sovereign in specific

[ashen ocean]

that the shades work closely with the suppposed roles/ ideals of each element

[slender haven]

I don't watch her

[ashen ocean]

do watch her phlogiston video

it is quite informative

[slender haven]

Maybe, I like learning the lore on my own more though

[ashen ocean]

eh, sometimes another relation from another person might awaken neurons

[slender haven]

Maybe

[ashen ocean]

did the dragons have anything to do with the moons though

[slender haven]

They may have blown them up
But if Xiuhcoatl was the sun then whose to say they didn't have the moon?

[ashen ocean]

also
we have had multiple cryo units reference moons with their kits
Ganyu and Layla specifically
so cryo is related to moons somehow
dendro too, if you go by the nahida connection

[ashen ocean]

primal fire . frigid moon ?

[slender haven]

Hm yeah, like I said moons have many thematic connections

[slender haven]

Something like that

[ashen ocean]

not to be daft but which scions /

?

the nod ones ?

[slender haven]

They're mentioned in that new boss event
The girl running it mentions them

[slender haven]

Yes, the Frostmoon Scions

[ashen ocean]

i thought it was a boy oh mb i need to pay attention to casual dialogues more smh

[slender haven]

Tbf it was a lore jumpscare lol

[ashen ocean]

esp for these new chars

[ashen ocean]

there is an issue with the cryo sovereign worship imo

the tsaritsa is likely descended from the cryo sovereign

[slender haven]

So Voynich Guild, Frostmoon Scions, and Dottore are all in Nod-krai

[slender haven]

How

[ashen ocean]

all sovereigns were brutalised or carved out somewhat to share power to humans/ gods created by the PO as per his plan

Xiuhcoatl happened naturally with Ubah kan

[slender haven]

Only Egeria is stated to be made full out of earthly materials though

[ashen ocean]

Egeria was made from the corpse of the first Hydro Sovereign as per the glider

[slender haven]

Not the corpse, just the natural resources of the world I think which made her similar to the dragons

[ashen ocean]

Apep likely was sapped of her strength to create Rukha / grant sentience to the dendro sprout that was rukha later

Ei and Makato were electro spirits
Venti was one of the thousand winds

[slender haven]

Yeah Rukkhadevata is probably similar

[slender haven]

We don't know if Venti was made with the anemo sovereign's power
That could just be Istaroth's own power

[ashen ocean]

didnt the description say the constitution of egeria was indistinguishable from that of the first heart of the sea ?

[ashen ocean]

istaroth granting one of the weak sprites in the 1000 winds sentience and lo, venti

[slender haven]

"That heart had like nobility unto a dragon, but lacked its outer form, and had the majesty of a god, yet was bereft any divine duty. And though it was created by a ruler of humans, its substance and essence were all original matter from this world, entirely without outside elements."

This is the quote

She was like a dragon but not exactly

[slender haven]

He got sentience naturally I think

[ashen ocean]

easiest path for it being carved off the hydro sovereign imo

use the body for egeria, while storing the authority / divine duty in the gnosis

[ashen ocean]

in responding to the pleas of the Bard ?

lemme re read

[slender haven]

I feel they would've mentioned that

[ashen ocean]

I think original matter of this world is either , primordial sea or the sovereign itself

Since she does create Egeria inside the primordial sea

We just need to wait for 5.5 for ubah kan to drop info regarding the first and second war

[ashen ocean]

It would be a great exposition to drop as well, it uncovers a lot about the demon names and godhood program for special kids which would take away a lot of surprise from the archon wars and Paimon herself

[slender haven]

More like the Gunhildr clan since it's implied Venti helped them beforehand

[ashen ocean]

Hmm

[slender haven]

The Sea makes more sense

[slender haven]

"godhood program for special kids"
💀

[ashen ocean]

Lets settle on bit of Sea and a bit of dragon corpse to emulate a dragon

[slender haven]

Sure fine

They're both dead anyways

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-friendly-wriothesley-genshin-impact-handshake-gif-2742781894052293775

[ashen ocean]

No cuz fr thats how the archon wars sounds to me

They were made to fight each other for divine thrones

Electro being closest to the heavenly principles massacred every other god

Raiden even took her own life to adhere to that rule

[slender haven]

Well only the gods that fought Celestia the least got archonhood so kinda

Orobashi, fought Celestia - executed by Celestia and Raiden
Deshret, fought Celestia - Got abyss'd
Remus, fought Celestia - ended himself
Xiuhcoatl and Och-Kan, both fought Celestia - both got killed by a pyro archon

[ashen ocean]

Orabasi never fought celestia, did he

[slender haven]

Well even beforehand he was "shamed for blasphemy" or something

[ashen ocean]

Deshret shared archonhood, never fought in the war , so he was the most defiant to celestia

[ashen ocean]

for running away i suppose

that was blashpemy

[slender haven]

No he ran for being a blasphemer

[ashen ocean]

hmm

[slender haven]

He refused archonhood really
And he conquer Remus' territory

[ashen ocean]

i think he conquered remus to avoid an archon war in sumeru

did remus have a demon name ?

[slender haven]

Well he didn't kill Remus so maybe

[slender haven]

Not that we know of

[ashen ocean]

if he had one, he would have killed that mf

[slender haven]

He probably did have one
If Guizhong did that is

And Guoba too

[ashen ocean]

not getting remus's name in remuria feels weird ngl

we got extensive lore of his but no mention of his demon name

[slender haven]

Yeah but I guess there were bigger fish to fry

[ashen ocean]

i think the likely candidate was havria

[ashen ocean]

if he did have a demon name he would have run afoul of egeria too imo

[slender haven]

I have a friend who speculated it's Amdusias

[slender haven]

Candidate for what?

[ashen ocean]

Egeria was in hot water (mind the pun) for her sin
if she didnt go after another god in her own territory she would have been punished more for neglecting the duty of an archon as well

[ashen ocean]

demon name in liyue

[slender haven]

Ok

[ashen ocean]

since she did challenge Zhongli directly

[slender haven]

Guoba did have one though

[slender haven]

No she didn't
She got killed by her subjects

[ashen ocean]

he did ?

[ashen ocean]

she could have had that, and still lost

[slender haven]

Marchosius

[slender haven]

Her whole thing is that she didn't want to fight anyone and just fled into a corner

[ashen ocean]

didnt zhongli still pursue her ?

[slender haven]

That's propaganda from her cult I believe

[ashen ocean]

idk , both could have been true

[slender haven]

It's talked about more in a book I think

[ashen ocean]

since zhongli himself mentions the rules were far different before

and morality different too

zhongli must have taken the contract of the archonhood and followed it to a T like Raiden did

[slender haven]

Zhongli was a war god during the Archon War lol, explicitly described as being incredibly ruthless

So yes

[ashen ocean]

and so he killed non submitting gods or at least pinned them to the ocean floor

[slender haven]

Yeah

Technically Changsheng killed Chenyu's God though

[ashen ocean]

she was one of the three gods there wasnt she

[slender haven]

Three adepti not gods

[ashen ocean]

also, Xiao was enslaved under a god too wasnt he

[slender haven]

They had a master who was a god

[slender haven]

Yes
A bunch of gods were in Liyue

[ashen ocean]

explains the god remains

[slender haven]

Yep

[ashen ocean]

and poor xiao being an overqualified garbage man

[slender haven]

He could let the exorcists help him he just doesn't lol

[ashen ocean]

zhongli being a capitalist had his coworkers killed and disposed when they tried to form a union

he wants to dominate his workers

[slender haven]

Guizhong didn't end herself 🤫

[ashen ocean]

he offed the electro co worker to control xiao more

[slender haven]

I don't think they were electro

[ashen ocean]

never ask what really happened in Guilli Plains in the year of 3500 BC

he looks like electro to me

electro Kuna

[slender haven]

That's not Xiao's god boss
That was his yaksha boss
He also worked for Morax

[ashen ocean]

yes i meant his yaksha boss onli

morax had him offed to weaken yaksha's bargaining power for safe gear

[slender haven]

Bosacius didn't die he's just gonna possess the body of his Grand nephew

[ashen ocean]

wait what

[slender haven]

JJK reference

[ashen ocean]

actually

Sukuna was the twin of Yuji's grandfather

not his father

[slender haven]

I said nephew

[ashen ocean]

oh mb

[slender haven]

Grand nephew

[ashen ocean]

didnt see grand

what sleep does to a mf

[slender haven]

Maybe you should

[ashen ocean]

nah

[slender haven]

Fair

[ashen ocean]

ill be clear soon

[slender haven]

Yeah the blasphemy came before too

[ashen ocean]

i think the blashphemy could refer to violating the contract of the archon war

or the will of the PO explicitly

[slender haven]

Yeah he probably told the gods to stop killing each other

Then they tried to kill him

[ashen ocean]

he thought he could be like Deshret but failed

[ashen ocean]

and both were the most loyal to the PO as well

[slender haven]

Orobashi just wanted to save his people

[ashen ocean]

curiosity killed the snake

lso

also
if the PO was really weak after the Second who came wrecked him

[slender haven]

The PO was weak, the shades are still strong though

[ashen ocean]

it is odd he would give away his own power for demon names and have gods fight one another

[slender haven]

He had to have people take the dragon authority for some reason

It helps him somehow too

[ashen ocean]

i think the PO is still stronger than the shades

[slender haven]

Probably

[ashen ocean]

But too weak to handle another uprising

or a descender

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

the abyss sibling also alludes to them purposely letting neuv's regaining of authority slide out of inability to do anything

perhaps he wants to command all 4 shades once again before making a direct move