・genshin-spoilers

[tawdry blade]

Mavuika did said there is some sort of trial if we survive we will get insane power

And the CBT might still be true

Hoyo know people don't expect Traveler to be strong in Natlan so they made pyro traveler unlocked in the finale

[ashen ocean]

The world quests do

Traveller plays a key role in all of those

But the archon quests not so much

[tawdry blade]

What about sumeru?

We literally saved Nahida

[ashen ocean]

Closest was inazuma

[ashen ocean]

Wouldnt the plan have worked without traveller too

With haitham and cyno ?

[tawdry blade]

No?

We helped Aihaitham by pretending to be catch by him

That is because we are someone that they are more worried about

[ashen ocean]

I cant recall sumeru quest
It was over two years ago and i finished it on the side with dialogue skipping
Was the most boring archon quest to me personally

[ashen ocean]

…true

[tawdry blade]

Heck the sage could use akasha to their advantage

It was also Traveler who was able to talk to nahida in her conscious

And destroy the barrier

So yeah,like I said that we are not just witness in every AQ sometime

Also when Nahida give Traveler the memories of every loop in the fight,I think other regular people brain would explode with too much information

In short I believe we will fought Ronova regardless if she is beyond Archon power level, just like how we beat ei, we didn't actually beat her but we shake her will by proving our determination and strength ,hoyo would never hype pmc for nothing would they?

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-sumeru-genshin-sumeru-sumeru-gif-26445329

Also dev did said this scene will happens,the fire is definitely sacred flame to protect it from Loom of Fate,in my theory

Logically if Irminsul do get burnt, how playable character gonna use elemental power,just like how it is obvious Fontaine won't get flood for real because the design is peak

[ashen ocean]

True

[ashen ocean]

I wonder how the fight would be setup
Would mauvika submit the portion of the power of a shade to a descender and have us duke it out until ronova comes to her senses?

[ashen ocean]

A few lore tubers were predicting the appearance of a sinner this time

One of the five

Does it hold any credence?

[tawdry blade]

I doubt they would appear here

[untold rain]

went back to check on the night kingdom nail thing

it is hovering right above the arena where we do the trials, like right in the center of it

i must have been wrong about it changing positions, if you go all the way to the side of the area you can see it more clearly

that is probably how i made that screenshot

[ashen ocean]

Is it possible to see it

In the cat challenge ?

[slender haven]

No not from what I know

[worldly raptor]

i dont think rhats the real scene

the real scene is dottore/one of his clones burning down the irminsul

we saw the cutscene from devs and in the fatui reveal columbina said “wheres the segment of the prime of his life then?” and dottore said “hes working on a more important project”

maybe a shade

[frigid lily]

Yeah as I was saying its most likely Ronova

[worldly raptor]

maybe columbina? since theres usually a harbinger weekly boss + columbina is rumored to be a fallen angel

her design sure does look it

i need playable columbina asap

[frigid lily]

Columbina is next if we go by the Fatui Wheel theory, but there's no way she'll be the weekly boss in 5.3, it would feel too random for her to be the one when she hasn't even appeared in the Archon Quest yet
Maybe she'll be the second Natlan Weekly Boss I'd bet
also I don't think she is a Seelie, related to them absolutely but I don't think she is one herself though thats just my opinion

[worldly raptor]

maybe shes from celestia and was kicked out because she did something?

then joined the fatui for revenge

[worldly raptor]

maybe, but if we dont see her in archon quest how can she be a weekly boss?

maybe more archon quest in 5.3 and 5.4?

they will lose out on so much money if they dont show columbina soon

shes so hyped rn shes one of the most awaited

[frigid lily]

Idk, see I have a few reasons to think she's not a Seelie herself but is most likely related to them

1. Is her appearance, like yes, obviously she's related to Angels and Seelies are Angels, but also Nabu Malikata was a Seelie and she was described as having horns
   And we also have seen what the Angels look like in both the Natlan mural and the Dragonspine mural and they don't exactly match Columbina too much? Personal opinion again
   I feel like she'll be someone like Andrius, as in she got her powers from a Seelie but isn't one herself
   Also Seelies are hella hella old, and so far all of the Harbringers have been 500+ years old at best. I'm not saying that there's a rule that says that some of the Harbringers can't be older than 500 but I feel like it'd feel weird for her to be that old
   Again just my theory

[frigid lily]

Azhdaha, Andrius, Raiden, Apep and Arlecchino weren't unlocked by the main Archon Quest. The second weekly bosses we get are always tied to story quests instead
I'm sure she'll be the weekly in 5.6/7 or something

Cuz Natlan Archon quest ends in 5.3

[worldly raptor]

everyone describes her as being innocent and oblivious, but powerful and unexpected

maybe shes a spy?

[frigid lily]

Nah I don't think so
Whatever is going on with her is really really weird
She's the Harbringer we know the least about

[worldly raptor]

i think we know the least about sandrone

i think that sandrone is the robot, and she used guizhong’s body as a puppet because they look extremely similar

[frigid lily]

Nah, we did possibly get some crumbs about her in that one side quest in Fontaine

[frigid lily]

I'm more in line with the theory of the robot being the real Sandrone thing
And how the robot is Alain Guillotin
Personally Sandrone looks way more like Mary-Ann then she does Guizhong

And from that same quest where we learned crumbs about her there was this thing about how Alain was researching stuff about putting consciousness in machines and whatever

[worldly raptor]

also wasnt columbinas weapon leaked a few months ago

i think it was a sword or catalyst and people said it turned into a machete

[worldly raptor]

oh yeaa

[frigid lily]

Uhh no? If yes then I didn't see it

[worldly raptor]

what if columbina is related to seelies and is always oblivious and tired because she gave her power to rebuild the leylines

[worldly raptor]

there were also rumors of her being a cryo/anemo main dps

[frigid lily]

Ehh
I mean
Those rumours were also saying she'd show up in either 5.0 or 5.1
And that hasn't been th case

[frigid lily]

I could see that being the case

[worldly raptor]

yea but most of these characters were still seen/mentioned in the main quest

columbina hasnt been mentioned once

[slender haven]

Honestly I think Columbina might show up when we see Varka's expedition in Hyperborea

[worldly raptor]

whats hyperborea

[slender haven]

Area mentioned in a couple item descriptions
We don't know too much but it's shaping up to be very interesting

It was an area very important in the first "cycle" of the world according to Narzissenkreuz so I believe it was possibly like the capital of the unified civilization or just a very important city in it

[tawdry blade]

That is true but it is no longer the first weekly

[ashen ocean]

Likely the second area we
Get alongside dornman port

Also

Any evidence for khaenrians to be similar to seelies !

?

Or nephelim ?

[slender haven]

I don't believe there's any

[ashen ocean]

https://youtu.be/qUQJBln8sjM?feature=shared

hmm

[ashen ocean]

Is there a pointer to that khaenrians were stronger than any other nation's humans ?

[sullen palm]

Abyss Waifu

lol

sign me up

[tawdry blade]

The Abyss waifu is so real you can't find it in the abyss itself

[ashen ocean]

Apparently the name of the abyss formation in the sky is a reference to one of the characters in their old games

[frigid lily]

Really?

[slender haven]

Nothing direct I guess besides the fact they had direct access to abyss magic but I don't think they had like an inmate genetic advantage

[slender haven]

Apparently the "outer gods" who rule outside the imaginary tree
I don't know anything about them though

[frigid lily]

Oh

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

[frigid lily]

I'm not really a fan of them trying to mix Honkai with Genshin
I mean I know that Genshin is in the same universe as Honkai or yadda yadda yadda but I don't want to have to know Honkai lore to understand Genshin
That would be fucking stupid

[slender haven]

It's probably just an Easter egg tops
Or the devs just happened to both reference the same incredibly popular author

[worldly raptor]

who will be the first weekly then?

[frigid lily]

We don't know
My theory right now is that its Ronova

[lone sable]

we might break the rules of ressurection in natlan

and ronova might be like yo u cant do that shit

they're building up the whole "no one fights alone" theme to be the center of the archon quest after all

[mellow holly]

the “abyss waifu” is secretly capitano

[frigid lily]

Night Wind clan chief

[slender haven]

Damn, they look kinda sick actually ngl

[frigid lily]

This is the one from Chasca's tribe

Their hats make me laugh lol

[slender haven]

Yeah
They have such cool outfits and the ruin em with the goofy ahh hats 😭

[frigid lily]

Nah the hats are peak what sre you talking about

[slender haven]

Yeah you're right

[tawdry blade]

That why it is a reference, not straight up connected

Mhy already stopped forcing honkai into genshin after it became popular than honkai

[worldly raptor]

i think honkai series is still hoyo main focus

[tawdry blade]

I mean yes but they also know honkai impact is dead as hell

So they won't be forcing that shit into genshin

And because genshin has their own dev

Their new honkai impact 3rd has no one talking about,beside the project something something people theorize it might be Traveler but it turned out to be crashed into another planet

I can safely say Traveler was supposed to be someone who is part of that project by K.K but that was when the game first launch,before the game popularity

So they decided to changed the project something something to be crashed into a different planet

That why there is no more collab,it would ruin the lore ,honkai star rail on another hand,is multiverse type of a game so it is fair

Genshin dev take their game so serious they don't want to add archon skin like Zhongli/Venti because it would expose their identity and all skin are always canon to the genshin timeline (mean they have to atleast wear it in one of the current event,not the past archon war)

[ashen ocean]

So they can make proper designs

[ashen ocean]

So theres a leak for the weekly boss

[slender haven]

No way

[ashen ocean]

Yes way

If irmin is a title

And not a person

[slender haven]

Irmin already has a title though, "The Vinster King" so why would they give a title to a title?

[ashen ocean]

Was Irmin ever preceded by King in lore texts ?

[slender haven]

Well there's the Crimson Moon dynasty

And Jean mentions a "heroic king of Khaenri'ah" in one voice line

But none of their names are known

[ashen ocean]

And irmin was mentioned to have been of the eclipse dynasty wasnt he

[slender haven]

Yeah

He was the last king after all

[tawdry blade]

Totally real leak

[sullen palm]

@floral iris
Source: Records of Hanan Pacha, Vol 3

Genshin devs casually dropping new continent lore

This slightly aligns with the fishing event back in 2.1, which is also named Lunar Realm

I remember playing this event, damn

takes me back several years ago💀

[floral iris]

is it from a book...

[brazen wolf]

does 5.2 have the Final Act of Natlan Archon Quest?

(please dont tell me more than that)

[ashen ocean]

no

[ashen ocean]

Is there a chance that remuria’s story is a contained, tiny allegory to what went down between Primordial and his four shades ?

[sullen palm]

yes

[tepid epoch]

Yo chat rate this

Look at the time gap

[paper warren]

Congrats I think

Not sure why it's in the spoilers channel though

[tepid epoch]

I cant send photos in other channels

Thats all

[ashen ocean]

Ah

[paper warren]

Yeah, you gotta chat a bit and gain exp to send images elsewhere

It's for avoiding having bots or random people coming in and spamming inappropriate images

I think the level was 2 or 3 to send images, which is like 100 messages or so lol

[mint harness]

This is Archon Quest in 5.2

But not that important

So Mavuika will survive as expected

[ashen ocean]

it seems like a filler quest act 3
set in the next 2 regions
ig capitano will drop lore instead then

[elfin hedge]

No, 5.2 will only have 1 act, the last one will be in 5.3

[tawdry blade]

So it will just be celebrating arc

Or straight up fight the abyss in the NK

[ashen ocean]

without mavuika ?

[mint harness]

Just a small part of what's coming in 5.3 as people say and as said by homdgcat

[ashen ocean]

So
We are getting a new npc model for Ubah Kan ?

As per leaks

[tawdry blade]

Idk,the model leak look out of genshin

[slender haven]

Can I see it?

[tawdry blade]

it's the rendering but it look weird nonetheless

[slender haven]

Damn he looks cool but definitely a little weird
Maybe he'd look better with the shading

Also I'd thought he'd have legs

[tawdry blade]

First unique npc I guess

[slender haven]

Yeah
Could be fake I guess though

[tawdry blade]

Out of all thing,they only render it in blender like why

But we will see

[slender haven]

Yep

[frigid lily]

He reminds me of the flying snakes in Sumeru

[ashen ocean]

He looks like a star wars character

[mint harness]

Is it true that we are parting forever with our little buddy in 5.3?

[tawdry blade]

Of course

Remember Pari,That desert lady and more?

Also Natlanese can't just leave Natlan,seem like saurian can't too

Or they will be hunt outside lol

[slender haven]

Natlan's ending will probably fix that

[tawdry blade]

I think we will let kachina take care of the little one in the end

[slender haven]

No, if anything we'll leave them with Waxaklahun

[tawdry blade]

What about the dude that told us about Little One. Unless Little One somehow grow up in the end

[slender haven]

He also wanted to kill him for us so we wouldn't have to deal with the Little One's curse so he might not be a good idea

[wet bay]

What's this for

[tawdry blade]

I mean,he want to end little one suffering because he think Traveler can't save him so there is that

Actually a good offer if Traveler was ordinary

[tawdry blade]

The 5.2 boss mimic the irminsul heart

A pretty cool detail for a boss whose power is just copying other boss ability

[slender haven]

Still shouldn't be left with him
Waxaklahun will probably take Goober in

[ashen ocean]

Is Waxaklahun still alive ?

[slender haven]

Probably

I mean he's stated to have been around even during the Cataclysm

[ashen ocean]

Wait
Was it his voice when Our little one joined us?

[slender haven]

Probably

[ashen ocean]

Could the weekly boss be Xhuaqotil or whatever the name of the pyro sovereign is

[slender haven]

*Xiuhcoatl
And probably not, he's definitely dead after Xbalanque killed him, I guess he could be reborn but eh. My guess is that it's going to be whoever Capitano wants to fight.

Maybe Gosoythoth?

[ashen ocean]

Too early

[ashen ocean]

I assume its rerir

The moon hunter

[tawdry blade]

It will be moon carver

[slender haven]

Funnily enough I was having a conversation about Rerir a day ago lol
But I doubt the boss will be Rerir since they're way too strong, a sinner will probably appear though

[ashen ocean]

rerir is a sinner are they not ?

have they ever shown to be op though

[slender haven]

I said I think they could appear not be a boss

[ashen ocean]

ah fair

srry

[slender haven]

They are described as having "reality shattering power" or something like that

[ashen ocean]

isnt that for all of them ?

[slender haven]

Yes, and Rerir is one

[ashen ocean]

he likely is the combatant

of the group

[slender haven]

Both he and Surtalogi

Though they're all strong

[ashen ocean]

who is the last sinner ?

[slender haven]

They aren't ranked

[ashen ocean]

not ranked

rerir
surt
gold
dain
verdrfornir
and whos the last one

i forgor their nom

[slender haven]

Hroptatyr

[slender haven]

Also Dain isn't a sinner

[ashen ocean]

isnt that another name for Odin/Irmin ?

[ashen ocean]

||he was one of them but he stayed behind to do his duty unlike the other five||

wasnt he

[slender haven]

Yeah it means "sage"

[slender haven]

Well they were all higher ups in Khaenri'ah at some point but the 5 took to the abyss' power and fled whilst Dain didn't
That's why they're called sinners

[lucid token]

will we get mauvika leaks next update orrr

[mint harness]

In 3 days

[lucid token]

wait really?

[slender haven]

Yes we always get character reveals a day or so before the new update happens

[lucid token]

thank god i’ve been wanting to see mauvika leaks for so long now

i hope the old leaks are right

[slender haven]

Yeah it will be pretty cool

[lucid token]

it better be loll i don’t have a pyro dps yet

[slender haven]

I really hope she isn't a pyro DPS tbh
We need more good pyro Sub DPS
Arlecchino should hopefully be getting a rerun soon so you can get her

[ashen ocean]

Tomorrow likely

HomDGCat is a data miner

Who breaks into pre load data for the next update’s contents

And at the same time
We get spills from the closed beta circles

[quartz inlet]

who's next banner?

[paper warren]

Not sure why you're asking in the spoilers channel, but here lol
https://fxtwitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1854870486343459056

[lucid token]

either way im pulling for her because its mauvika but im hoping she at least has SOME kind of dps capabilities

[slender haven]

Yeah, archons are always crazy good anyways.

[quartz inlet]

oou my bad, tysm!

[paper warren]

No worries!

[lucid token]

whats drip marketing and why are people sad cuz we didn’t get mauvikas drip marketing today

[paper warren]

"Drip marketing" means when the company reveals a new upcoming playable character

Usually hoyo will post to all their social media the same post with which characters will be released next-next version, usually a couple of days before the release of the upcoming version

Meaning today

They almost always post the drip marketing at 7am utc-4/est the Monday of update week, but there was no post today anywhere

[lucid token]

OHHH those

[paper warren]

Yep

[lucid token]

dang hopefully they post it soon

[paper warren]

yeah

[lucid token]

ohhh it was delayed because of the game awards lmaoo

itll prolly come tomorrow then

[ashen ocean]

When tofay

At the usual time ?

[ashen ocean]

Chsnces tjey postponed it to launch day ?

[ashen ocean]

Leaks out

[mint harness]

New weekly boss

Gosoythot

[slender haven]

Knew it

[mint harness]

And is a dragon

[slender haven]

It was also the black sun Mavuika punched

[mint harness]

Yeah

Just shaped into Dragon

[slender haven]

Like how the Tenebrous can shape shift

[mint harness]

Yeah, and now finally, nothing from the old leaks that Celestia creature will be weekly boss

[slender haven]

Yeah

I thought it'd be a Celestia guy way back too but it makes more since it's Gosoythoth

Maybe it'll give us more lore on Khaenri'ah since I have a theory it was the black sun of Khaenri'ah

[mint harness]

We will se

[tawdry blade]

Love when the weekly is actually the abyss like I guessed and then change my mind

[lucid token]

was the mavuika splash art real or ai

[mint harness]

New 4 star character

From Liyue

[paper warren]

Cute

Is that the girl from last year's event grown up a little

[slender haven]

Do u have the full thing?

[mint harness]

I thought of a girl from Xianyun SQ, but I think it's impossible, I don't know

[paper warren]

So far only those parts have been posted from what I can see

[mint harness]

No, the leaker posted 2/4, maybe later everything

[slender haven]

It looks like someone from Chenyu going off the jade rings

Maybe Lingyuan? /Hj

[slender haven]

What does the Chinese say though?

[mint harness]

Lanya

[slender haven]

Cool

L(a)n(g)y(u)a(n)
Close enough

[mint harness]

Something is happening, all leakers are back

[slender haven]

They got "resurrected" you can say?

[mystic coyote]

as if by an ode?

[lucid token]

who the poop is that

[ashen ocean]

Could it be och kan

Reincarnated ?

[sinful sage]

No its Gosoythoth

the abyss

[ashen ocean]

Is gospytoth present outside of natlan in some capacity.

?

[sinful sage]

not sure

[ashen ocean]

Like in the whale ‘s surtologi’s shadow’s domain

[sinful sage]

its that thing that was in the sky during act 4

[ashen ocean]

We see something similar to gosoytoth

In the background

Och Kan also disappeared under abyssal mud 7k years ago

And hes the son of the pyro sovereign

Hes plenty strong already, so i assume hes a candidate / catalyst for gosoytoth ?

[slender haven]

My theory is that Gosoythoth was the black sun of Khaenri'ah during the eclipse dynasty

So maybe Surtalogi put the eclipse in the Narwhal somehow?

[ashen ocean]

And the sinners now having abyss powers, oppose a rival of it , the crimson moon

Specifically rerir

[slender haven]

Yeah I was talking about that with someone earlier lol
Rerir might be one of the "remnants" of the Crimson Moon dynasty

Which makes me think he's gonna be a Boothill expy lol

[ashen ocean]

A remnant ?

How

[slender haven]

What are you confused about

[ashen ocean]

Him targetting his own dynasty

Or lineage

But yeah it is a possibility

[slender haven]

Well he did betray Irmin by abandoning Khaenri'ah

He could've been planning to betray him

[ashen ocean]

I dont think anyone betrayed irmin tbh

Isnt he one of the sinners

Hroaptyr

[slender haven]

Yeah

[ashen ocean]

Or the vinister king

[slender haven]

Vinster is Irmin
Hroptatyr is one of the Sinners

[ashen ocean]

Arent hroaptyr and irmin allegories of the same odin ?

[slender haven]

Odin had many names

[ashen ocean]

Synonyms*

[slender haven]

And several identities

Or aspects I guess

[ashen ocean]

From what i read
Irmin usurped kingship, used khaenriah and folded with the other four
Only dain remained out of his morality

[slender haven]

Why would he have 2 names

Irmin is king, Hroptatyr was a sage

[ashen ocean]

Why not ?

[ashen ocean]

Why not both

[slender haven]

Dain separates the Sinners and the King in the same dialogue

[ashen ocean]

Hmm

[slender haven]

They're different people

[ashen ocean]

In which quest ?
The chasm interlude ?

[slender haven]

The one with human Caribert

[ashen ocean]

Ah

[slender haven]

Idk where you read Hrop and Irmin were the same person

[ashen ocean]

I was wrong

[slender haven]

Yup

[ashen ocean]

The similar roots led me there

So the vinister king is associated with the eclipse dynasty right ?

And not the albrecths ?

[slender haven]

Odin had a lot of different aspects
Hrop and Irmin are probably just two different ones
And it's also my theory that Pierro's real name is Wotan

[slender haven]

The Albritchs just took over after Irmin became "indisposed"

[ashen ocean]

There is a certain youtuber who theorised irmin was a title given to the wisest
And that nibelung was the first irmin being the sovereign supreme

[slender haven]

Ok

[ashen ocean]

But i cant recollect the rest of the deets

[slender haven]

I mean Nibelung is probably related to Khaenri'ah somehow

Considering his name

[ashen ocean]

The same ytber predicted a abyss tree / irminsul’s reflection

Two patches ago

Before natlan

[slender haven]

Well the abyss trees are just copying Irminsul they aren't shadows of it

[ashen ocean]

So i assume their train of thought is valid

For the short term imo

[slender haven]

I mean we know it was a line of succession thing for Khaenri'ah, Kaeya's note said their family lacked "royal blood"

I.E. it isn't a meritocracy

[ashen ocean]

Arent shadows somewhat synonymous with reflections in genshin ?

Copying ~ reflection on another plane

And the shades with the PO

[slender haven]

Well yes but it's not like the Trees are beings on par with Irminsul, the tree stuff isn't even their true form techincally

[ashen ocean]

Yeab

Yet at least

Dk how loom of fate plays with that one

Oh and
Is it true that all ancient ruins we have seen yet

Are all dragon civilisation ?

[slender haven]

Like all the ones in Natlan you mean?

[ashen ocean]

No
Not just natlan

[slender haven]

No
They were all human

[ashen ocean]

From Mondsdadt to Chasm to Enka

[slender haven]

All human

Enkanomiyans hated the dragons lol

[ashen ocean]

The charge i read from yt was
Before The sun and moon was re written by the PO

And with them replacing the dragons as the deity of teyvat

Amd dragons as rhe oppressors

[slender haven]

Why would they keep them overthrowing the dragons at all

[slender haven]

No

[ashen ocean]

https://youtu.be/aJSfGlO2diU?feature=shared

[ashen ocean]

Why not

[ashen ocean]

Since we do encounter lore bits of the pyro sovereign
I hope this theory is tested on

And can be judged to an end

[slender haven]

Because we literally see the ghosts of Enkanomiyans and they're human

Also Remus gets called an "usurper" by Scylla

[mint harness]

Mavuika leaks are COMING

Better quality

Boss

Weekly boss

Kazuha and don’t know other one

[lucid token]

any idea when we’ll see mavuikas moveset?

[ashen ocean]

Is it possible for dragons to have created humans

Because rven Rhinedottir’s primordial human experiment began with failed dragons

Before albedo

[ashen ocean]

Is there a name to it

[ashen ocean]

Is it Gosoytoth or Och Kan

[mint harness]

Raiden 2.0

Strange, no archon effects

Maybe at the bottom

[ashen ocean]

Is there a video of her off firld presence

[mint harness]

.

[lucid token]

HOLYYYYY

[ashen ocean]

no i meant like her

coordinated attacks

[lucid token]

wait so whats mavuikas main purpose

[ashen ocean]

also
is there a name to the weekly boss ?

[ashen ocean]

raiden x dehya

with dante bike shenanigans

[lucid token]

i love that

[ashen ocean]

i dont

[lucid token]

i heard that shes an off field character or smth tho

[ashen ocean]

idk how to shoehorn into kinich support

but ig her and kinich have to share time now

i am sure her c4 is getting buffed

so is he c2

her*

i hope PMC gets some love too

[lucid token]

his skill is gonna be a mario style fireball watch

[ashen ocean]

is there his gameplay floatting around

[lucid token]

wait so shes basically a dps

[ashen ocean]

half his kit is locked away against the boss fight

[lucid token]

i kept hearing about something something off field something proc something

[ashen ocean]

what we have barely gets him on the same level as thoa

thoma

its only the nightsooul mechanic saving him

[ashen ocean]

its mid

its once per 3 s

[lucid token]

ok so dps it is then

thank god

i need a pyro dps 😭

[ashen ocean]

oh you were askig about mavu

idk about her E

yes its off field

[ashen ocean]

she wll be both sub and main ddps

can be*

[lucid token]

yeah lol

[lucid token]

lsgggg

[raven tinsel]

Should I pull for chasca or save for neuvillette?

[lucid token]

besides kazuha and bennett which support would probably also be the best for her

prolly a cryo/hydro applicator right?

so like mona or smth lmao

[ashen ocean]

save for mavu

[lucid token]

or furina for people who have her

i do not have her
i got tighnari instead

ill make mona better than furina tho trust

[ashen ocean]

too wasteful

[ashen ocean]

yela

yelan

[lucid token]

i dont have her either lmao

[ashen ocean]

oh

sad

[lucid token]

very

[ashen ocean]

xilonen likel

y

[lucid token]

you wont believe who i lost my 50/50 to in that banner

[ashen ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/qiqi-genshin-impact-genshin-anime-girl-gacha-gif-24614481

[lucid token]

howd you know???

[ashen ocean]

if it was any other std char

you wouldnt sound dejected

[lucid token]

😭

any other support that could be better than mona

[ashen ocean]

true

lmfao

mona is too mid now

4*'s have begun outpacing her now

[tawdry blade]

So Mavuika skill basically confirmed she still is the pyro archon and the rule still existed

[ashen ocean]

what rule\

[lucid token]

which 4*

[tawdry blade]

Just call it Night Kingdom

[ashen ocean]

ah

ig

[tawdry blade]

Also technically make sense

Night Kingdom still accessable through exploration

[ashen ocean]

also
since mavuika is the first archon with elemental authority
traveller takes after her kit

[tawdry blade]

Would be weird if you finished the quest and you somehow get back there

[ashen ocean]

yes

[tawdry blade]

If Mavuika herself teach Traveler

[lucid token]

travellers skill is him riding a bicycle

[ashen ocean]

theres no teaching

[tawdry blade]

So far all our skill is taught by Paimon

[ashen ocean]

no.

[lucid token]

with a little bell on the handle

[ashen ocean]

i meant in the off field pyro and the pyro infusion thing

[tawdry blade]

Traveler skill description confirmed it is paimon teaching and our observation of nature

[lucid token]

so which 4 stars have been outpacing her

maybe i have them

[tawdry blade]

We don't just know how to use ability you know

[ashen ocean]

no
frrom mavu i meant
but yeah its possible after reading your later messages

[ashen ocean]

whom do you think is

[tawdry blade]

I will wait for MC skill visual

[ashen ocean]

yes

[lucid token]

bennett obviously and uhhhhh

wrong reply

[lucid token]

bennett and uhhh

thats the end of my list

[tawdry blade]

[ashen ocean]

chevreuse ? faruzan ?

[lucid token]

i only have one of those

chevy cruise

[ashen ocean]

shes super strong

arguably buffs more with sodp

[lucid token]

i dont actually know what she does lmaoo

what do her buffs do

[ashen ocean]

she shreds pyro and electro

gives atk% bonus bsaed onn her h

hp

[lucid token]

ah gotcha

[ashen ocean]

and gives 40% pyro and electro bonus dg

dmg

heals

and can use sodp to give flat atk bonus

[lucid token]

whats sodp

[ashen ocean]

song of ddays past

[lucid token]

oh gotcha

i was thinking about someone that could buff and apply hydro/cryo so mavu can do a vape/melt reaction

[slender haven]

Aqs don't reference world lore often
It's Gosoythoth

[tawdry blade]

Go soy sauce

[ashen ocean]

odd to see them take the form off a dragon

unless oofc its mimicking the pyro sovereign

[slender haven]

Lots of dragons in Natlan

[ashen ocean]

or mimicking och kan

[slender haven]

Plus it looks like those things that "eat concepts" and take their form

[ashen ocean]

somehow

[slender haven]

He was a human
Mostly

[ashen ocean]

he was half human

tho

[slender haven]

Human with scales

https://tenor.com/view/killercroc-suicidesquad-gif-9920712

[ashen ocean]

son of a sovereign if the leaked logs are anything
ill stay up and finish that world quest to confirrm that

[slender haven]

Like this

[slender haven]

Yeah, I'm just at school learning boring real history so I can't

[tawdry blade]

[ashen ocean]

skipping tribe quests for ochkaan now

[mint harness]

Weekly boss domain

And yes, rip to leaker because of UID

[ashen ocean]

damn

its set in mare jivari ?

[tawdry blade]

It is underground for sure

[ashen ocean]

yes

[mint harness]

Abyss

[ashen ocean]

is map expansio next patch confirmed ?

[mint harness]

Mavuika said she will go there

[tawdry blade]

No expansion sadly

[ashen ocean]

am i tripping or ccould it be the crimson moon ?

[tawdry blade]

Could just be pyro glow

Or something like in Mavuika flashback

[ashen ocean]

pyro isnt a soft purple or a red- violet glow tho, esp mavu's
its defo the abyss

[tawdry blade]

Traveler being able to summon some sort of entity,maybe Mavuika taught Traveler how to use pyro : 🤔

[ashen ocean]

I wasnt expecting to go to the highest point in teyvat with ochkan natlan

[ashen ocean]

so a huge spoiler from the WQ

we physically go between night realm and natlan

it is indeed underneath the landmass

and the dragon is him

another lore drop: the mind/ soul and body of och kan were separated and acted independant

[ashen ocean]

that video ended up right

somewhat

we have mmet ubah kan before

but we dont know

he wasnt talking to us ooff
but to the little one

[lucid token]

i don’t get why people are so mad that she rides a motorcycle, “this is so random it doesn’t feel like genshin anymore” who cares it’s fucking awesome

[paper warren]

It's fantasy

We are long past the realm of "this ain't genshin" with how much they've added

It's still genshin

[hasty narwhal]

Natlan teapot Wooo

[sage burrow]

is it just the interlude this patch?

[slender haven]

Also Natlan flagship event

[sage burrow]

ohh there's going to be an event

I didn't pay attention to the events thing on the livestream

[safe locust]

How many f2p pulls we getting this patch

[tawdry blade]

Why people don't want cool thing? Because it ruin their immersion? What immersion? I bet they skip most of the dialogue or just play to get the character

[wary parrot]

the lore drops from the tablets is insane

[wary parrot]

imagine whining about immersion in a gacha game

like they write it to where it explains itself too

[tawdry blade]

Tbf,it is just whoever writing that perspective,like if you are dragon you of course will not praise Teyvat god or believe their words

[floral gale]

am i the only one who isn’t a huge fan of the new saurians 🥲

they definitely have interesting mechanics but they feel so slow 😭

the only saurians i really do like is the one from the spring and the one from the children of echoes

[wary parrot]

no, it talking about the golden eyed rebellion

false gods = descenders

[teal pier]

I've been summoned

[teal pier]

I like the flying one and that's about it

Oh what the

How did I get here

[floral gale]

i feel like i definitely have that as my 3rd on the list but i feel slow when walking 😭

[teal pier]

I thought this was the basement

Anyways yeah all of the saurians feel slow as hell

I was hoping they'd at least be as fast as Fontaine swimming

That was fun

[floral gale]

ohhh there was an announcement that 5.2 content should be talked about here instead !

since there are still people who haven’t played it and it’s just been released

[teal pier]

Yeah this is the correct spot to do it

I'm just confused cause I have this channel muted

And yet Carl summoned me here

[wary parrot]

oh hello dottore

[floral gale]

:00 where is this from …

[wary parrot]

new world quest

Ill get the title once im done with the dialogue but theres a character you meet that does shit that gives massive dottore vibes

and then says stuff like what paimon is saying and even goes "I've already met you before in one of those guises"

It would make sense why he was kept around in the fatui for more than his brains

[tawdry blade]

Ok,I haven't done the major quest yet

[wary parrot]

OHH

I went straight for the world quests cause I kinda wanna put off the interlude

[tawdry blade]

Ye that pretty much them being salty they lost to some random otherworlder

[tawdry blade]

I am trying to 100% Night Wind before the quest

[wary parrot]

it drops a lot of lore bombs

like

a lot

[tawdry blade]

I'll try to finish my goal as fast as possible

[ashen ocean]

Are there any more quests in Och Kan Natlan

[paper warren]

Man lanyang is so fucking cute

I won't be incessantly pulling to get her off the banner but I will definitely nab her from the liyue 4* thing

[brave sigil]

Is this The Sage of Stolen Flame?

I'm still confused the correlation between him and Och Kan.

[ashen ocean]

yes

ubah kan

[safe locust]

Is there a new relic set in the next patch or can I just grind obsidian/hero rn so i can prebuild the pyro archon and pyro mc

[ashen ocean]

its the old two

which sux

[tawdry blade]

Probably saving for next area

The volcano

Made for Iansan and someone else?

[ashen ocean]

Ifa

ig

[tawdry blade]

Two 5* in one patch again would be overwhelm

[ashen ocean]

Ifa could be 4*

[tawdry blade]

Maybe but we don't have a vet as a 5* yet so maybe not

[ashen ocean]

would tighnari count as one

[tawdry blade]

His trailer is just him testing mushroom though

[ashen ocean]

hes more into plants then

[tawdry blade]

Oh,the weekly boss name appear in the AQ

[tawdry blade]

Capitano name start with Th,so that confirmed the leak was fake.

[ashen ocean]

so its confirmed gosoytoth ?

[wary parrot]

I firmly believe this dude is dottore

Many disguises, we’ve already met him he states

He does shitty experiments

[tawdry blade]

I think so

[ashen ocean]

no
this one spoke to och kan 7000 years ago as well

[wary parrot]

Dottore was doing stuff 500 years ago if not longer

[tawdry blade]

Dottore is from Suneru yeah,he ain't dragon sage

[wary parrot]

Did it say he was born there or that he just studied there

[tawdry blade]

Even then, that sage already have advance stuff,no reason to study in Sumeru lol

[wary parrot]

Also it dropping the fact that humans evolved from dragons is wild to me

[tawdry blade]

Not to mention the Sage want to understand human more,NOT do bad thing on them

[ashen ocean]

i told it a day before the paatch ddropped

[wary parrot]

He killed them

He killed a bunch of people

[ashen ocean]

the before sun and moon was rewritten

by irminsul

[wary parrot]

Ochkan was an experiment he did and he controlled him and caused a bunch of people to die

😭

[ashen ocean]

all ruins across teyvat are dragon ruins

[tawdry blade]

Also the fog island in 5.2,the guy observing it forget about it for some reason

[ashen ocean]

not PO's

Enkanomiya was a dragon city

[wary parrot]

Enkanomiya makes a lot more sense too

Especially the event that took place there with that girl

[tawdry blade]

I don't think Enka was dragon city,it was legit ruled by Orobashi

[wary parrot]

No, it used dragons

[tawdry blade]

Oh wait

[ashen ocean]

when the PO defeated nibelung
the city went under and wrote before the sun and moon
then irminsul wiped it and revised dragon history

[wary parrot]

People evolved from dragons

[tawdry blade]

Some

[wary parrot]

All humans in teyvat are descendants of dragons

[tawdry blade]

Not all human lol

Nope

[wary parrot]

No the quest literally says

😭

[tawdry blade]

The dragon one

[wary parrot]

The new quest that we are talking about

[tawdry blade]

The Sage didn't mentioned PO tossed human into Teyvat for NO REASON

[ashen ocean]

oh and also one more thing
Gold 's "PRIMORDIAL HUMAN PROJECT" had 2 failed abyssal DRAGONS
before a humanoid could be produced

[tawdry blade]

The dragon legit has to adapt to the new environment

That why they evolved

[wary parrot]

It states humans come from dragons, he didn’t say that it was only done in teyvat

[tawdry blade]

Human that PO created is actual human

[ashen ocean]

they failed to evolve

[wary parrot]

It could have also been the world teyvat was built on top of

The descenders made it to where the dragons couldn’t evolve normally in teyvat

[tawdry blade]

You should re read the quest man ...

Only dragon race tried to adapt and evolve in human realm,while human that PO created is real one

[wary parrot]

Dragon people are human what 😠

[ashen ocean]

dont trust before sun and moon

at face value

it was rewritten

[tawdry blade]

But Sage said it himself though

[wary parrot]

All books are also heavy correlation

[tawdry blade]

He is amazed by humanity itself

[wary parrot]

Meaning that they are parallels, not straight truths

[wary parrot]

Humanity has the ability to ascend to god hood but keeps getting knocked down

Which I noticed WAY back

Each civilization that rises experiences a catastrophe

[tawdry blade]

Yeah because if everyone can become a god,the world is unstable and full of danger

[wary parrot]

Nah it talks of false gods, the world is fake

I believe the travelers before their powers are stripped are what humans are actually supposed to be like

[tawdry blade]

I doubt that

[wary parrot]

Though it does mention them in the tablets

Anyone else noticing the transition this is gonna make for snezhnaya though

Like its painting a picture to prepare us to actually want to throw hands with celestia and the heavenly principles for other than what was done to us at the start of the game

[tawdry blade]

Paimon identity is already obvious to us,it is not happening

[slender haven]

The Traveler explicitly is not human

[wary parrot]

traveler was an example, not an actual comparison

[wary parrot]

I wonder if when she realizes who she is, what will she do

and like it depends on which one she is too

does anyone know who this is

The way the texts I keep finding talk about the night and the flame make it sound like both are part of the system Celestia implemented intentionally to thwart humans

[hardy hatch]

Mavuika ring is giving solarix halo from rh

[tawdry blade]

Human sound greedy asf ,I think it justified Celestia stop what they are doing

Even us human in real world are like that,just like that text, believing only human can rule everything,etc

[slender haven]

That's talking about the Night Kingdom which Och-kan was opposed to

[slender haven]

A warrior who I believe is talked about more in the forgeable spear description

[wary parrot]

Is he the speaker of the night wind during that era or are they two different people?

[slender haven]

I'm guessing he was

[wary parrot]

I dont think they do, like human greed for power is bad, khaenriah is an example

But theres a pattern of every nation that has fallen has no actual archon/god

All were ruled by humans- mavuika is a god in her position, just as much as the other archons, but she is also just as human

[tawdry blade]

Dragonspine civilization has people trying to take Celestia for themselves,they get punished,we don't know about other ancient nation,also the only reason they attack Khaeri was them using abyss power,they was advanced,not rule by god yet Celestia did not mind until their greed took over,so the idea of nation fallen because it has no god ruling them is kinda wrong

King Desreth(I don't know how to spell his name) was a god but his nation fell because of the stuff he done, Remuria as well, Destruction don't discriminates, as long as you are a threat,break the rule,..you are eliminated.

[vagrant coyote]

So is Och-Kan the same person as the Sage of the Golden Flame, or is he the son of the Sage, the Sage being the guy we see at the end of the Ochkanatlan world quest?

Also damn they've been cooking with the Natlan world quests

[wary parrot]

I think hes the son

[wary parrot]

The one beneath fontaine, natlan itself seeming hit hard by the abyss

Like the abyss seems to cling to civilizations that are human run

which I mean it could be them trying to recover lost technology from said civilizations

oh wait was the one underwater in the sea of bygone eras struck down by celestia

[slender haven]

Remuria?

[wary parrot]

Yeah, I don't remember the exact name and my brain is foggy 😭

[vagrant coyote]

No it wasn't struck down by Celestia

It was destroyed from the inside due to differences in ideology

Pretty sure the King himself realized that the magic music device to turn all Fate deterministic that he'd created was a bad idea and organized a plot to take it down

Details kinda foggy tho

[vagrant coyote]

Agreed but I saw theories online saying Och-Kan himself is the Sage

[wary parrot]

If he is then I dont think he was when he first started

between the guy you meet at the end of the quest vs ochkan himself, the sage refers to him as "son"

though then again when he says "youve met me already" he is talking to our saurian friend

[slender haven]

That wouldn't make sense

[ashen ocean]

Since the collective of plenty leader’s model leaked

Is it safe to assume we will get rhe volcano next patch

[tawdry blade]

No

Beta test dont have new map

They are saving that for 5.4 probably and 5.6(?) with mare

[tawdry blade]

Lol,the turn base in the world quest is funny

[ashen ocean]

So the name of the boss is
AbyssalXiuhcoatl

And it misses one of its eyes

[vagrant coyote]

Ooh

Isn't the golden entreaty the missing eye

According to the item description

[mint harness]

This is crazy

[tawdry blade]

https://tenor.com/view/apep-genshin-genshin-impact-dragon-dragon-sovereign-gif-8840542271364405845

Noticed the detail of how powerful dragon have those weird trail from their eyes

The one in Ochkanatlan also has it before slumbering

And the weekly has it

[slender haven]

Yeah I have

[lean bay]

why do new weekly dragon givin during vibes

[ashen ocean]

Ig it is

But its to do with the world quest

Odd enough

Ig the boss is a reflection of a sovereign

[tawdry blade]

The Abyss basically ate the dragon so maybe it is using sovereign form as a last resort

[ashen ocean]

Yeah
Hence the phlogiston infused profane flMe

Flame

[ashen ocean]

https://x.com/saveyourleaks/status/1859896795146686600?s=46

SaveYourLeaks (@SaveYourLeaks) on X

[GI - 5.3] Weekly Boss Stage Gameplay:

via KazusaLeaks #GenshinImpact #Natlan

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 9:48 AM

[kindred gale]

need raiden, wanderer, and mav's circles all in one photo

maybe ningguang's too

[wary parrot]

https://x.com/weeklykhaenriah/status/1859259036568273260 idk if anyone else shared this but

✶ Khaenriah Kreation Krew ✶ ᴱᵗ ᵘᵐᵇʳᵃ (@weeklykhaenriah) on X

Hello fellow Kaeya lovers! It’s your favorite kaeya super fanatic, and I have terrible news😁! -🦚

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 3:34 PM

It being pointed out amazes me

dang nvm

I think once teyvat's story is done, we will go into the world it was made out of/on top of

[loud blaze]

Hello, putting it here incase its spoiler, is the archon quests voiced yet? Or still on strike

[lucid token]

everyone except kinich/ajaw and iansan are voiced

they recently got kachina back

[loud blaze]

Oh, so just 1 extra voice, my friend is binging quests and wanted to know but isnt in any groups to ask

[wary parrot]

hopefully they'll have everyone moved to their own agency by next patch

[ashen ocean]

https://i.imgur.com/JHKwWQB_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

[slow ridge]

Nah 💀

f2ps having hard time with deciding who to pull

[mint harness]

Gotta catch 'em all

[untold rain]

was this really necessary

[tawdry blade]

Very important to the plot

[slow ridge]

the chain goes all the way i wonder why

[tawdry blade]

Don't worry,she can burn those thing inside using the power of an archon 🔥

[wary parrot]

I saw a youtuber theorize that the dragons repair the false sky, but what if the false sky is protecting humanity from the dragons that are connected to the abyss itself

like she believed the purple one we see is a mimic, which sounds cool and reasonable, but i dont see them repairing the false sky when the dragons absolutely despise the 7 and celestia

This parallels with what happened to khaenriah in regards to technology as the abyssal powers/energy and forbidden knowledge was used for Khaenriahs technological advancement and it fell

this ALSO parallels with khaenriah, which is wild to me because these scriptures are from just after the archon war right? When I wanted to look into the khaenriah history because it felt like there were similarities, I saw this mentioned “Hroptatyr, also called "The Wise", is known as one of the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah. They were one of the people in the nation of Khaenri'ah who were of great esteem. They were the best of their respective fields, and this and the moniker suggest that Hroptatyr excelled at something related to "wisdom". Hroptatyr, along with the others got hold of world shattering powers and became godlike beings. But while Khaenri'ah was being destroyed, they did nothing to protect their own nation. Thereafter, they became the known as the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah. Nothing else is known about this character.”
“Hroptatyr is one of the names of Odyn, meaning ‘Sage’.”

• Genshin Wiki

Simulanka was like a miniature world but had some fates the same as that of teyvat because of Name, this also is shown in Natlan with Ancient names. What if Teyvat itself is repeating history of the outer world that it was built upon

[ashen ocean]

Much of the dragon lore we come across is futched

irminsul had rewritten sun and moon

[wary parrot]

Do you think irmunsul is controlled by Celestia or its of its own making

[ashen ocean]

Taken over by celestial

Celestia

[wary parrot]

Like it doesn’t affect some characters, like M for example who wrote the Boar Princess and the way she seems to write stuff is like how Nahida wrote about Scaramouches past

[ashen ocean]

So far, irminsul does not affect descenders right ?

[wary parrot]

Yeah, descenders memories are not touched by irmunsul since they aren’t of teyvat

The new glider actually talks of the traveler and their sibling being Scions of a fallen kingdom too

Which makes me wonder what makes someone no longer be a descender or writes them into irmunsul because the sibling isn’t a descender

[ashen ocean]

No
Arent descenders someone with too great a will and can potentially shape the fate of teyvat ?

[wary parrot]

Yeah, the primordial one I think was the first descender

[ashen ocean]

Abyss sibling not being a descender , but the traveller is ?

[ashen ocean]

I am doubtful about it

[wary parrot]

the 3rd's corpse is what makes up the gnosis

[ashen ocean]

It could also be nibelung

[wary parrot]

Yeah, nahida says that for some reason our sibling is not listed as a descender

But we are the 4th descender

[ashen ocean]

Much of the prior lore is up in the air until 5.3 or 5.4 when we get Ubah Kan and Xiuhcoatl - Gosoylototh lore

[wary parrot]

Which means either irmunsul was tampered with or its something else

[ashen ocean]

Its confirmed that Sibling caused the cataclysm no ?

[wary parrot]

I think the basis and how the world is built can be reliable in theory, especially when considering the stories maybe written by M

[ashen ocean]

The workd was built with words

[wary parrot]

In the new glider, it says the sibling was made as the prince/princess of khaenriah and was intended to absorb the abyssal power

Which it shows in natlan that we also can absorb said abyssal power

[ashen ocean]

A youtuber by the name of aashikai or my name for now explore alchemy and gnosticsm for genshin lore crafting

[wary parrot]

I love aashikai

[ashen ocean]

Which hits the mark a lot of times

[wary parrot]

She goes really in depth with her theories

[ashen ocean]

Yes

[wary parrot]

I dont see why though with the dragons and them repairing the sky

[ashen ocean]

Her phlogistan video was eye opening

My name for now predicted 5.1 to the entirety btw

[wary parrot]

Especially when there's the shade of space

[wary parrot]

damn fr?

[ashen ocean]

Yeah

He predicted it right after 5.0 quests

Much of genshin is an open book once

You delve into alchemy and gnosticism

[wary parrot]

I'll look them up and watch some of their stuff and see if they have anything I missed since I only really got involved heavily in lore recently

[ashen ocean]

Yes that part confuses me

[wary parrot]

The dragons HATE the divine and heavenly principles

[ashen ocean]

Especially when a shade is far stronger than a authority less sovereign

A fragment of one’s power was enough to put down Xiuhcoatl

[ashen ocean]

And humanity too to some extent dont they

[wary parrot]

I don't know about humanity itself, Neuvillette is a good example of how dragons don't understand humanity and kinda don't involve themselves with it

The sage of stolen flame pretends to care for humanity but I think it's the equivalent of a scientist and their obsession with their studies and having labrats- seeking an answer and wanting to watch the outcome instead of actually truly caring for the cause

That and also dragons have been prevented from evolution, evolving into humans as it is claimed they could

[ashen ocean]

He couldnt move past the degeneration of dragons

[wary parrot]

So the humans that basically supposedly run everything in teyvat are made by the primordial

[ashen ocean]

All ruins across teyvat

Are dragon ruins btw

Woth the exception of ones like sal bindigyr

[wary parrot]

Dragons are what built everything, that's why they're there, like they are what keeps teyvat alive I think- they're like the foundation itself

[ashen ocean]

They made phlogiston afterall

[wary parrot]

Humans with ambitions are pillars, in the tablets from the new quest it says that the heavens are using teyvat and don't care for humanity, instead using it to keep back their foes or whatever

[ashen ocean]

And if Ubah Kan is right

Celestia isnt in teyvat

Its in the light realm

[wary parrot]

this would make since about the fake stars and ambitions, memories, etc being held in the sky to protect the sky barrier

[wary parrot]

Wonder if something happened then

[ashen ocean]

Possibly yes

[wary parrot]

When you're on that ship or whatever in the sky, I forgot the name

You can't see celestia

You can however see the broken moon

[ashen ocean]

The loading screen is definitely the light realm

[ashen ocean]

Yes

[wary parrot]

So humanity managed to make a device that is likely "above" celestia supposedly unless celestia is in fact in another realm and that island is an illusion

[ashen ocean]

…and why they nuked or sunk whichever came close

To self determination

[ashen ocean]

Very likely an illusion

A la faux sky

[wary parrot]

Celestia being dormant is also something, like so much has happened and normally in the past stuff has been done to prevent teyvat from being destroyed

[ashen ocean]

Shade of space is having her beauty nap

[wary parrot]

so wouldn't defying celestia go against the principles? It says evolution is the enemy of eternity, Shogun said through eternity we are closest to the heavenly principles

[ashen ocean]

Also

The element assignment to each shade

Makes sense now

[wary parrot]

How so

[ashen ocean]

Ronova- electro and pyro, likely cryo as well
Istaeoth- electro and anemo, likely cryo as well
Shade of life - dendro and hydro
Space- geo

[wary parrot]

Space being geo might make sense with the way the sky barrier being broken was cubish

[ashen ocean]

And evolution ended poorly in fontaine until a sovereign had to be speed dialed

[wary parrot]

Life being dendro/hydro also adds up

[ashen ocean]

Also with how
We see her presence at the chasm

By the nail

[wary parrot]

Evolution would risk changing things where as should it remain the same, it teyvat would continue as is

Khaenriah and its human advancement for example as well

[ashen ocean]

And likely the loom of fate

I suspect it has something to do with it

[wary parrot]

this is from the xbox glider btw

[wary parrot]

I can see why the twin is so involved with the abyss

it doesn't affect them

Where as someone like Dain or Capitano can recognize that the abyss is what caused their homeland to fall

[ashen ocean]

Dain killed the vinister king ?

[ashen ocean]

All of a sudden the sibling running through the final floors of spiral abyss in the reunited video short makes sense

It was right after unleashing the cataclysm

[wary parrot]

If it's talking about I think he name was Irmin? He was a threat to khaenriah as he did introduce forbidden knowledge

[ashen ocean]

And rhe shade of space rushing in for aid

[ashen ocean]

Irmin is likely a title

[wary parrot]

oh I remember looking into him i wish I didn't suck at remembering names

Irwin?

[ashen ocean]

Irmin

Which is off because it id another name which Odin employs- alongside Hroaptyr

Who is one of the five sinners and likely head sage who stole Pierro’s job and retirement funds

[wary parrot]

He was known as the "wise"

[ashen ocean]

And goaded on the vinister king but ran off when shit hit the fan

And judging by the power scaling in fontaine 4.2 AQ

The sinners are likely stronger than Neuvillette and even likely a Shade

[wary parrot]

I think the sibling was fooled when she was supposed to absorb the abyss

Either it went wrong or someone stepped in and interfered

[ashen ocean]

Hence shes still the princess when she should be queen

Also, is it ever explained why dain and sibling split and hate each other ?

[wary parrot]

Sibling could see that Dain was the one who fucked everything up

Dains brother predicted something, had an oracle

In inazuma people sensed something would happen in khaenriah before it did, Raiden says all archons were wary of the nation

[ashen ocean]

Oh and btw

It was Verdrfornir

Who predicted Fontaine flood

[wary parrot]

Who's that

[ashen ocean]

His brothers bame

Name

We see him talk with Albrecth

In caribert 3.6 quest

[wary parrot]

Someone had a prediction for the attack on Inazuma too, a messenger came to warn the shogun and Saiguu about it

[ashen ocean]

Likely dain or verdrfornir

Verdrfornir is the likely best oracle in the lore as well

Better than the Hexenzirkel one

[wary parrot]

So Verdrornir might have foreseen all the damage that would have been done and was blinded for it

But dain also said that his brother was one of those sinners

[ashen ocean]

Yes

[ashen ocean]

Sinner is merely someone who took abyssal powers and ran off instead of staying back and defending khaenriah

Dain wouldve been the sixth sinner but he stayed

And got cursed

By the shades

Or the PO

[ashen ocean]

The six sinners is tbe tale told in the six pygmies book btw

[wary parrot]

But I thought there were 5/6

Dain was the one who didn’t agree with it

I guess he does have abyssal powers though

And is cursed with immortality in a way that seems different from the rest

[ashen ocean]

Yep it is dain who didnt agree

[ashen ocean]

And he stayed back to uphold his vow

[wary parrot]

So then wouldn’t it be that the abyssal power absorption wasn’t consensual? Or that he was put in a position where he had to absorb some of it

[ashen ocean]

The other five did their own shi

[ashen ocean]

Very likely consensual

The sixth pygmy was ready to bolt as well

Until it felt guilty and remorseful for the light prince

[wary parrot]

The boar princess I think it was, at least when talking to wolfy, tells of how the angels caused a catastrophe and had to make a choice to give up their minds or their bodies

[ashen ocean]

Rheres also the underexplored part of the lore

The sun chariot

[wary parrot]

One choice made them the seelies that lead to treasure, the other turned them into beasts like hilichurls

[wary parrot]

What would the sun chariot be correlated with

[ashen ocean]

The moon sisters

And their demise

[wary parrot]

Something that confuses me about the moon sisters is are they before teyvat or after

[ashen ocean]

And are rhey from teyvat or light realm

[wary parrot]

I think it was aashikai I’m not sure but someone believes the destroyed moon we see is one of the moon sisters

[ashen ocean]

I await Ubah Kan’s grumpy ass to tell about it

[ashen ocean]

Everyone assumed that

And its likely true

[wary parrot]

So then that pushes towards moon sisters before before teyvat

[ashen ocean]

Bur why over natlan only ?