・genshin-spoilers

[jolly pendant]

I just finished the archon quest

olorun is def one helping Capitano imho

it’s good but it’s best for a fontaine chara

it’s likely they are saving new area for 5.2

[jolly pendant]

anyways,natlan have alot to fucking unpack

[mint harness]

Liben in 5.1? What?

[turbid sentinel]

|| Apparently in CN text, when he was talking to ororon it said he was nearing his end which could mean he's sick or something. Probably why he couldn't fight at full power ||

|| En localisation sucks bruh ||

|| Im guessing he has the abyssal corruption that atea has ||

[echo kite]

||anyome got the 5s item when finishing the natlan quest? i cant find it on my inventory lol||

[tawdry blade]

Both are "sick" and still almost match

He have nightsoul visual so he might be from there and was a "hero" before

So that mean he might actually be affected by the abyss

Also why are we even spoiler the text,this channel allow them anyway

[latent dome]

||girl its literally mualani everybody knows its mualani||

[leaden burrow]

Will Xbalanque be playable?

[lost thistle]

nah this is

[untold rain]

the game just gave me a warning that i should have "ample of time" for the next part of the story

how many hours are we talking

[vapid fox]

thats not a leak, in the 5.0 livestream it was said that archon quest will run in 5.0, 5.1 and 5.3

so theres a possible chance we will get durin story in 5.2

[leaden burrow]

Damn, Traveler second outfit in 4 daMN YEARS

[ember knot]

ngl the high ponytail looks way better

than the braid

but he kinda just looks like yanqing

💀

[leaden burrow]

I mean Yanqing’s hair looks good

[turbid sentinel]

was lowkey cool getting monstadt referenes this aq

[leaden burrow]

Yeah

I legit forgot Traveler could purify abyssal powers

Good that they’re bringing up past abilities

IIRC the last time they did something similar was back when they were fighting Childe with Anemo and Geo

They’ve either been getting temporary abilities or just handling stuff with the element of the region they’re in

[lone sable]

does anyone know if theres any pauses in the quest after you choose to talk to the guy and enter the tournament

cause it gives that prompt saying u cant quit for a while

[leaden burrow]

You can since it’s considered a domain

But if you quit then I assume you’ll have to start from the beginning

[ember knot]

bro does someone in the writing team have an agenda aginst sumeru or something. why is that the desciptino of it 💀

glazing descriptions of all the other regions. sumeru? fucking coffee

💀

[lone sable]

How long did the domain take before you could leave

[tawdry blade]

Celestia nail

[dense hound]

Where is this again?

[tawdry blade]

Totem challenge

[hollow berry]

she's so cool what the hell

[hoary roost]

accidentally glitched through the map while exploring and got spoiled lol

[tawdry blade]

Oh so it can be access from world quest

[hoary roost]

Not really? I accidentally glitched through a gap in the map which took me underneath it

Let me send a video of the glitch

[weary oriole]

Wheres the gap?

oh nevermind

im a bit slow

[tawdry blade]

I see,but it look like it from world quest because of the environment around

Ig I didn't pay attention to the totem

[weary oriole]

it might be?

nothing is interactable, it's somehow related to dragonspine? maybe? and theres invisible walls everywhere

ill go out as far as i can

[weary oriole]

I went to the main thing first and there was just boundrys trapping me in a circle and nothing to interact or do anything with

totems load in and out weirdly and if you drop down and go further out theres no more walls stopping you

but if you go too far out it all unloads completly and drops you in a void out zone

[hoary roost]

Maybe? I was honestly suspecting that it had something to do with the archon quest but I haven't done much to know yet

[tawdry blade]

Look like we have to wait for the lore about that area

We know the nail have many different power,this one maybe the record of the past?

[honest plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213077607139123211/1278396098293268612/Mommy.gif

[mint harness]

Chasca is not a hero, right?

[lean violet]

I mean we don't know and Mavuika wouldn't reveal that so

Likely they'll make her one tbh, cuz there are no flower feather clan charas who could fill the slot otherwise, unless they drag in a completely unknown chara

https://fxtwitter.com/morigobrrr/status/1828996198700585057?t=_XKeHfpam5kWM9aKDn7T7Q&s=19

The capitano fans are seething and malding

Capitano himself literally says that Mavuika could have easily stopped Ororon from helping Capitano with the mist, but chose not to

[mint harness]

Just because he's "cool" some people think he's stronger

[tawdry blade]

"Harbinger have two phrase " so does archon lmao. Look at Ei weekly,she have two phrase,second phrase is even deadlier

I already expecting these cope after reading the story on ambr before the update

[ember knot]

I mean tbf raidens the only one. Description of the boss calls it a “form of the puppet”

[lean violet]

Plus that fight happens in a mindscape

I doubt Raiden can take that form normally

Her standard outfit is what she goes to war in

She's always 100%

[ember knot]

And tbf the archive version of natlan act 2 states mavuika used her full power in their fight and that their fight was going to resume.

Although id like to see the CN text for that cuz EN translation makes things scuffed sometimes

Like how at the very end EN says how “ororon saved the day” but in CN that just isn’t there and the actual dialogue is cap is just surprised the smokescreen worked (which it really didn’t)

Think I’d need to change my entire game to CN tho. Don’t think it’s on the wiki

[lean violet]

Capitano says Mavuika could have continued the fight, and could have just ignored the mist Ororon used

But considering how Capitano got wounded and Mavuika didn't, I think Mavuika would have finished him off if they had dragged it further

I don't think there is anything wrong with assuming Mavuika>Capitano with the powerlevels as shown

We can speculate ofc, but for now any extra powers Capitano has are hc

His established power and skill level now has him below Mavuika

[ember knot]

Yeah the mist definitely served as a positive thing for both sides imo.

A longer fight would prob mean less energy mavuika can give to the flame

Capitano was injured and their 1v1 was interrupted. His honorable ass ain’t continuing the fight

[ember knot]

Yeah if cap really doesn’t have any transformation or anything, def a fight not in his favor to win

Although mavuika mentioned something she sensed inside of him so we’ll see where that leads us. (Could just be the thing that has him on a “timer”)

[lean violet]

There was no reason for him to take it easy on Mavuika

Dude was already unexpectedly jumping her, was probably trying to get the gnosis directly without schemes

But now that failed so mandatory Fatui evil plot commences, especially as he is unwilling to beat up an opponent who can't fight back

[ember knot]

Yeah but this is an anime. No character ever in this game has ever started off in their 2nd phase or strongest move/atk. Always ramps up as the fight goes on

[lean violet]

I mean sure, but then we have to assume Mavuika wasn't going all in either

So it'd be

Mavuika phase 2 vs Capitano phase 2 except he is gravely wounded

No matter what, the odds just work in Mavuika's favor

But as noted, using up so much power to finish him off probably wasn't in her favour either

[ember knot]

That would be the case but the archive journal (at least in EN) states it was her full power. Like I said earlier I’ll try to find/translate the CN text since EN translation isn’t accurate/consistent/etc

[tawdry blade]

Why are we even arguing, future Traveler with pyro archon power gonna beat his ass

[ember knot]

Surely with a kit to match their lore strength

[tawdry blade]

They better give Traveler 5s burst

[lean violet]

Well Kachina>Mualani in lore now but...

[ember knot]

Natlan’s strongest warrior fr

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-kachina-silly-dance-gif-791448678345413395

Still genuinely hilarious they sent this like 8yo kid to fight the horrors of the abyss

💀

[tawdry blade]

Child labor

[ember knot]

Like the whole stadium cheering as if she ain’t gonna end up dead or traumatized

[tawdry blade]

For Natlan

Well,they expected her to get resurrected even if she died,that why they cheer for her regardless

[lean violet]

Fr like shouldn't they put some minimum age restriction

Or hell, the wayobs could give them damn ancient names later

[ember knot]

That just makes it even crazier ngl. Ppl cheering not caring that you’ll die. Like even if u get resurrected, u still like experience death

[tawdry blade]

Wayob so greedy

[ember knot]

And we’ve learned first hand from re zero how traumatizing that can be

Like that other guy got torn apart by rift hounds

[tawdry blade]

They definitely care but it's their tradition so

[tawdry blade]

I still don't understand why the divine nail didn't land inside the Night Kingdom

My theory is,because Natlan Archon don't want Celestia to destroy their special structure that work similar to Irminsul, so the original archon "stopped" the divine nail ,there is a lot of monolith inside the domain too

[solemn dagger]

headcanon first pyro archon will probably appear

oh wait thats xbalanque

[tawdry blade]

He will

Probably talking to mavuika

A seelie randomly appear in the archon quest is weird,considered they all were fed to the pyro dragon back then

Columbina sent it maybe? People think she is a seelie or wayob but we dont know so far

[mint harness]

I love the contrast between Fontaine and Natlan
Fontaine: Sacrifice Divinity, transition to Humanity
Natlan: Sacrifice Humanity, transition to Divinity

[turbid sentinel]

scara pfp checks out

[lean violet]

https://fxtwitter.com/morigobrrr/status/1829013494030639386?t=S4YE_KpWnSHSGdBV-jyMFw&s=19

"He really held back"

Dear lord the copium

It's too much

[coarse hinge]

They really think a human is stronger than the "god of war" 😭

[lone sable]

did anyone do act 2 of the aq, how long does it take

[ember knot]

yeah gonna need the ost for this place asap

[ember knot]

tbf if he does end up having a phase 2 then this statement will be true. but the method/reasoning from this post is really fucking funny tho

[turbid sentinel]

so im guessing we couldnt resonate with the natlan statue of seven because of the shortage of pyro energy?

[tawdry blade]

That what I'm thinking too

The leyline connection in Natlan is so bad that must be why the flame can't burning forever

[gleaming sinew]

i feel like the last two are ororon and capitano

[mint harness]

It's obvious that this will all be resolved in 5.3, then Mavuika will become immortal because her life is in that fire, she will hand over the gnosis to Traveler and that's it.

[tawdry blade]

Yeah definitely

We can't force the leyline to connect to Natlan

Night Kingdom act as a Leyline to Natlanian

As long as Night Kingdom is cleansed, Mavuika don't have to worry about the fire

[mint harness]

But what I think is that maybe the fire will go out in 5.1, so Mavuika will disappear and when the fire reappears, she will go with it and that's where her immortality begins. This could be the scenario if they follow the "Himeko" trend. Because Genshin will never use a dead character as Playable

But I wouldn't really say 5.1. Because we need the other two heroes who will fight and return that fire

In 5.3 we will definitely have Act V and Act VI for the first time

[tawdry blade]

I just found out that when you defeated the Night's trial boss ,the monolith light up

And there is alot of them around

This make me think

If 5.2 has no archon quest,will mihoyo make the player defeat all the boss to light all the monolith in the Night Kingdom?

We know the monolith doesn't do much but it protect whoever is lost.

Or will the story dialogue change depend on how many blessing you got from the monolith

[true sedge]

Imo

That's the Harbingers strongest member, with the least satisfying display of power I've seen yet. I can't tell what the writers intended for him to convey, or make the audience feel. But all it did was make me realize the Captain had no real stakes(at this point), which wasn't satisfying to me, an audience member

No plan, no threat, no mecha, no match. All my bro did was show up with a rubber mallet. 😭 Bro is a massive skip, and I've lost all interest in him as a character.

I wouldn't care that much if he was a nobody, but in a quest composed of characters I don't care about, I wanted him to engage me in the story.

Wake me up when the archon drops

[nimble glacier]

how did y'all did the fight against liliuo??

in the tournament

i only have kachina, and the damage isnt wow

ah wait okay, it's done

[ember knot]

lmao relax bro, he had 4 lines of dialogue and less than 5 minutes of screen time over the course of several hours

[true sedge]

The characters that had screentime weren't compelling to me, and the hype of the strongest human had me in suspense

The payoff was weak, so I'm pretty disappointed in the character

5.1 will be better

[ember knot]

i mean yeah tbf i was pretty weirded out that the entire thing they advertised natlan about, the tourmanent arc

lasted like

less than an act

WHeezeTao

[true sedge]

I genuinely don't want to relax and get complacent when Genshin's story falls off (6 hours spent btw)

You do you

[lean violet]

Hahah oh wow people's theories crushed

Xbalanque is ||the first Pyro Archon||

[slender haven]

That's one of the morals of the game my guy humans rising up to the task 😭
Mavuika herself was a human what do you think this game is about

[slender haven]

Definitely, he knows something we don't

[slender haven]

My main theory is that Natlan will end with the Pyro archon throne being "shattered" causing everyone to become "part archon" and thus purifying their abyssal corruption, a piece will also go into us most likely and give us pyro powers

[wanton magnet]

xablanque sounds french

[wanton magnet]

nah we getting the gnosis

and 1v1 the tsaritsa

get her to give us all the gnoses

fight abyss sibling

and purify abyss

[slender haven]

No the local 5 star will do all the work for us and fight the Tsaritsa

The Traveller is a bum who can't do anything

[wanton magnet]

Traveler*

[slender haven]

Shut up nerd

[wanton magnet]

dont say that to best girl lumine

[lean violet]

He's a mayan mythological figure

[slender haven]

I was saying it to Aether too if you want

[wanton magnet]

aether is shitty mc

slader him as much as you want

if shes a bum she wouldnt be hanging out with mualani like this:

but

[slender haven]

Aether does the same

They're bum siblings

Bumlings

[wanton magnet]

i wanna see the aether version

lumine versio better

aether creepy

[mint harness]

I don't think she will give her powers, but the gnosis will, the gnosis will act differently on Traveler and give him powers, because Traveler is a descender and Gnosis is the Descender's corpse

[slender haven]

Ok

[slender haven]

I think Capitano will find some way to grab the gnosis

Because the Traveler getting the Pyro gnosis might mean their moveset would be good

Which isn't happening

[mint harness]

I don't think so, because he will take it to the Tsaritsa right away and by the time we get there it will be over, and this way we will have to meet the Tsaritsa to see why she is doing

[slender haven]

They could always just say "ah it takes time for the Tsaritsa to do what she needs to do with the gnoses"

[mint harness]

Because it is obvious that we will win as soon as Mavuik defends Gnosis so much, and everyone won easily so far, nobody defended, while she strictly defends

[slender haven]

Like it could just be some huge elaborate ritual that takes months to complete in universe

[untold rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/World1mpact/status/1829253831248752825?t=CE91Lereq8xx04TX2IUDww&s=19

[paper warren]

That's such a good video

I appreciate the fact someone went and did something like this from every angle

[untold rain]

they keep changing the northern placeholders

also the desert being larger than the entirety of natlan is hilarious

[lean violet]

Well it is larger than Fontaine too

But that's the point of the desert, it's supposed to be huge swaths of desolate sand

Most of it is empty

Though the underground areas are quite extensive too

[brave sigil]

Someone enlighten me.

What's "Wayob?"

Why Natlan people can't go outside Natlan without Wayob's protection?

Is Wayob their god or what?

[spark anchor]

Sumeru is just built different

[untold rain]

each tribe has a wayob so there are multiple

for what exactly they are, i am not sure either

the night kingdom seems to be some kind of dimension connected specifically only to the natlan region

maybe all these concepts (night kingdom, wayobs, ancient names etc.) were created by the first pyro archon as some kind of stop gap between the abyss and natlan? because for some reason that's where most of the abyssal corruption seems to occur

and the night kingdom reminded me alot of enkanomiya in terms of design, might be they are on the same "layer"

[tawdry blade]

Aether is canon lil bro

Oh nvm

He is a troll

He already left the server

[tawdry blade]

Wayob represent the will of something,if you have ever fought one of the Night trial with Wayob in it you will see it title. They can leave Natlan but they won't be protect if they ever get attack by the Abyss, so they choose to stay in Natlan and to fight along side other. Wayob on serve as a protector but it can also give people ancient name and blessing(?),if you defeat one of the Night Trial Wayob you will get a blessing(doesn't change your stat but it's there)

[tawdry blade]

[paper warren]

Tbf, we will probably still get a few more expansions like we usually do in the upcoming versions lol

But the desert is larger than everywhere

Fontaine was the first region to really contend with its sheer size and still falls a bit short

Oh wait, that map has the entirety of the region with volcano and stuff

Nvm

[slender haven]

The hydro wayob's description reveals that the wayob are just the congregations of their tribes' collective consciousness

I.E. they were thought into existence by their tribes

[strange oxide]

Here's my speculations on the 6 heroes of today and their 500 years ago counterpart (From Tenoch talkimg stick lore)

[mint harness]

I think you are right, only the heroes appeared in the trailer, Kachina next to them

But maybe Ororon is the hero after all instead of Citlali, he just betrayed his tribe, so he'll get back on track later and save Natlan

[strange oxide]

I was first thinking this because it would be cool to see how they’ll convince Ororon to join their side. However, I reread the Talking Stick lore and Sanhaj Kompore can see the future and foresaw the creation of Mare Jivare. So I’m leaning towards Citlali now.

Since she is a fortune teller

[tawdry blade]

So far,character that hold the balls in the teaser is the hero so..

[lean bay]

okay weird first pyro archon was a he and the heavens they mention is a "Renovo"?

[lean bay]

oh okay tupac reincarnated in genshin

[coarse hinge]

Mavuika is literally reincarnated archon + she mention she got the sacred flames power or something in the archon quest. We don't know jack shit about captain and his feats

[tawdry blade]

She never said that

She simply put her in life in the sacred flame,that all

And the archon reincarnation is still a theory

Xbalanque is the archon

He is literally the flame

And still active,why would she be a reincarnation of his? Theorist said that he wasn't the original but it is still a theory

[strange oxide]

was there pyro archons in those 500 years while mavuika was absent

[lean violet]

First Pyro Archon was Xbalanque

[lean violet]

I mea assumedly yeah

Would be a pretty big thing for the charas to mention if Mavuika was the first pyro archon since 500 years

[strange oxide]

got confused when are pilgrimage held

do they happen yearly or weekly or what

and when are the pilgrimages when choosing an archon held

hmm probably 5.1 things?

[slender haven]

Yeah but she started out as a a human they literally say so, Capitano is the first harbinger standing aboce literal demigods, gods, and whatever the fuck Dottore is

[odd hornet]

so who is the snitch!!!??? who told capitano that the pyro archon lost her power????

and who are the other two heroes????

[solid escarp]

||Ororon||

[odd hornet]

ohhhh

do you know the other 2 heroes?

[lean violet]

It's probs gonna be Chasca for flower feather

For last clan it will be Citlali or Ororon

I think Ororon would be the more interesting one, considering his role right now

[lean violet]

I don't think we are given any exact details

I don't think they are yearly because Kachina is still very young and she has participated multiple times

[lone sable]

Finished both quests

I feel conflicted cause my main complaint about archon quests not having enough action wasn’t a problem at all in natlan but I feel like it was mediocre at best

I feel like no one had any urgency delivering their voice lines, the characters and camera shots are robotic as always

Mualani has an amazing voice but I feel like her delivery was 75% weak

[tawdry blade]

What does that even mean 😭

[worldly raptor]

any leaks on columbinas release?

[mint harness]

Logically, the movements during the conversation must be, as you say, "robotic", otherwise the game would be over 250gb.

Overall, I don't agree at all

[summer locust]

Just finished the AQ. Just need clarification. So Mavuika is basically from 500 years ago during Cataclysm and placed her life into sacred flames and revived herself into current year?

[mint harness]

Yes, and as I understand it she is immortal as long as the fire burns

[summer locust]

Interesting.

Imagine she place her gnosis inside the flame as well.

[lone sable]

what does what mean

[lone sable]

would it actually

cant the files for that stuff just be removed lol

[untold rain]

what elements do all tribes have if there are only 6?

which is the missing one?

from the color schemes of the banners in mavuikas chamber i would think either cryo or anemo are missing, but we know chasca is anemo

[tawdry blade]

Xilonen: Geo
Mualani : Hydro
Iansan :Electro
Kinich : Dendro
I believe Citali will be the choosen one for cryo,as of now,only her is cryo character. We are missing anemo because there are two of them

But it might be Chasca,as she was holding the ball

While oronon just standing next to Capitano

[strange oxide]

its probably chasca because she'e the only flower-feather tribe

[strange oxide]

can we go back here

[lethal onyx]

Guys can someone explain ||what happened with mualani in the night kingdom? that scene with her ancient name glowing and ||tupac

[strange oxide]

my understanding is the she fully realized the meaning of her ancient name "Umajo" which means Unity

Tupac also had that ancient name back then. She inherited it

[hasty narwhal]

yes

the stair is still there when you go back in the ruins

[lone sable]

Is natlans plot really gonna be the power of friendship 😭

[untold rain]

always has been

"the friends we made along the way" trope is gonna come in full force at the end of the game

[tawdry blade]

Natlan plot being power of friendship make sense,I mean in history,only by working together people can achieve freedom

Like,Natlan is inspired by a place that love their hero,of course they have to make the plot like that

They don't make the theme talking about heroes for no reason

Heavy 5.1 AQ Spoilers

|| Shade of Death (named Ronova), one of the Four Shades of Phanes, The Primordial One, is the one that gave Xbalanque his powers originally (Power that helped him create Natlan rules and give power to the Ode of Resurrection), and will have Dialogue between them both||

Via HomDGcat

So that why they can resurrected like nothing happened

As expected,Shade of Death,just like Shade of time,isn't evil at all

[strange oxide]

is ||Ronova the first confirmed Shade of Phanes?||

[simple hornet]

probably

[mint harness]

Sacred flame goes out in 5.1. What will happen to Mavuika?

And the narwhals are coming back??? Not just one??

A real invasion from the Abyss is happening

A picture of one floating around

[tawdry blade]

Where that from

Also narwhal is not from the abyss

Its from another world

[mint harness]

I know, I said the Abyss invasion and the Narwhals

[tawdry blade]

Well,where is that story leak from

[mint harness]

Reddit

[tawdry blade]

Can't find the leak

[untold rain]

do we know if xbalanque will actually be playable or is he just a historical figure like king deshret?

[mint harness]

In the comments, not everything was posted by the publisher

He explained more things in the comments

And those leaks are from before, only now it has been confirmed

Things are being deciphered from the files, so they later confirmed that it was more than one narwhal

[weary oriole]

Time for traveler to use his original golden sword now

[teal pier]

I've been summoned

[tawdry blade]

Ungolden

[analog merlin]

||Most likely guess, she will lose her status as Archon and it returns to Xbalanque.||

By the way, I just realized that both Capitano and Mavuika are supposedly only human individuals, yet are the strongest of each group (the Pyro Archon, by nature, is supposedly the strongest of the Seven despite being mortal, while Capitano is most likely a highly trained individual who somehow possesses the ability to create dark ice, which may have a connection to the Abyss or somewhere beyond even Celestia).

[tawdry blade]

Xbalanque is a single flame,it doesnt randomly return to him

Also not true,pyro archon is not the strongest among the seven,Zhongli has the highest kill count, while Ei is just strong and fast, Xbalanque had support from ||Primordial One and Shade of Death||

If dark ice is something beyond Celestia he would have get nuked by divine nail long before, dark ice is just because he has nightsoul , he is from Natlan

[slender haven]

Celestia has been asleep for a long time, plus they only nuke shit when it gets real out of hand. Like Khaenri'ah was messing with the Abyss way before they got nuked

Also Xbalanque killed the Pyro sovereign on his own

[tawdry blade]

Capitano was there when Celestia is still there

[slender haven]

Celestia wouldn't nuke one dude

[tawdry blade]

5.1 Aq spoiler said no

[tawdry blade]

So why did they nuke Apep

They will nuke anything if it is something doesn't belong to Teyvat

[slender haven]

Because she was a giant fucking dragon the size of a small country plus she had dragons in her

[tawdry blade]

Nah,she just collecting Abyss power

[slender haven]

To fight against them
Plus she probably got nuked during the war against the dragons to begin with

Capitano 100% has abyssal powers

Deshret messed with forbidden knowledge and he didn't get nuked

[tawdry blade]

She was collecting Abyss when king desret rule the land

[slender haven]

She was beforehand too

[tawdry blade]

Well he did in the end

[slender haven]

Collected abyss knowledge before and after Deshret's rule

[slender haven]

He wasn't nailed

[tawdry blade]

The tornado place

[slender haven]

That was before he died

That was what originally made the desert a desert

It isn't even Deshret's death place bro

[tawdry blade]

...Capitano does not have Abyss power that all,Harbinger is fighting both the Abyss and Celestia

[slender haven]

Tartaglia?

[tawdry blade]

That is his techniques

[slender haven]

From the abyss

[tawdry blade]

Skirk*

From but not abyss

[slender haven]

Plus Capitano probably didn't choose to have abyss inserted into him so it's best to just make due

[tawdry blade]

He is definitely cursed,like Dain

Just doesn't use it

[slender haven]

We know the fatui do have an interest in the abyss since Scaramouche went on expeditions there

[slender haven]

If Citlali doesn't have black ice then Cap definitely has abyss powers

[tawdry blade]

Because that is where they train

[slender haven]

No?
The term was "expedition"

[tawdry blade]

Still training..

[slender haven]

Expedition implies they're researching shit too

[tawdry blade]

Capitano doesn't have vision,compare her to him is weird

[slender haven]

They have both have ice powers
Since you think the black ice comes from the night kingdom, something which all Natlan vision holders have access too

[slender haven]

You also don't hear any other harbinger taking "expeditions" there

[tawdry blade]

Yeha because every archon quest is about the nation,not them

[slender haven]

They put specific emphasis on Scara going there

[tawdry blade]

Him going there really mean nothing,they might use abyss as their plan B but still gonna fail either way

[slender haven]

Yeah cause Scara is a loser ass bitch

[tawdry blade]

Not true,every nightsoul blessing are different

[slender haven]

Capitano's definitely isn't from the night kingdom
Even then the night kingdom is infected with the abyss so

[midnight trellis]

is being a pyro element weilder a requirement for becoming pyro archon aside from winning the pilgrimages

how come celestia offers boreas archonhood but pyro archons are instead won and/or recognized by their people

[lean violet]

All we know is that it was Xbalanque, the first Pyro Archon, who created the "rules" that allow this system of Archons in Natlan

https://fxtwitter.com/NineOwnWish/status/1830312980858433651?t=sSNGObhXtOKZQTG-S_IIhA&s=19

"Fight analysis" that's actually Capitano glazing

Gods I love the mental gymnastics

[midnight trellis]

wait i thought he was the sovereign

[lean violet]

No he was the first Pyro Archon

That sovereign stuff was just pure headcanon people made up

But it's confirmed in game that he was the Archon

[tawdry blade]

People thought he was sovereign because he was talking about Neuvillette in his introduction

[tawdry blade]

Because the first pyro archon,Xbalanque had support from (5.1 AQ spoiler)||Primordial One and Shade of Death||,which is how he defeated pyro dragon and created many rule

I think the reason Celestia don't care about Natlan during Abyss invasion is because they make their own rule and keep resurrecting,but they did attempted to throw a divine nail to clean the Abyss in Night Kingdom

[midnight trellis]

make their own rule 😭

[tawdry blade]

Between pledge and forgettance is so peak

[pallid estuary]

Uhm I fell out of the world in natlan and i ended up in a place that kinda looks like the abyss

[slender haven]

Your facts and logic cannot pierce the armor that is our own copium

[untold rain]

uhm

i just did some challange thing and there is a nail here

wtf is going on

[dusk meadow]

who was the voice at the end of chapter 2????

[mint harness]

Wait, before that it was said that Celestia didn't drop a nail there? Right?

[hasty narwhal]

Went to check on my side and yeah it's there, mmmh

maybe they found a way to stop the nail mid drop

[untold rain]

probably ororon

[slender haven]

Ororon
Well like 99% it's him

This fella

[tawdry blade]

Who ping me

[tawdry blade]

Celestia trying to help cleaning the Abyss in Night Kingdom but that would destroy their source of power

[lone sable]

most nails float tho

[lone sable]

he didnt lose the battle but he was losing

and then he got sneaked off because obviously its in no ones best interests that they go all out then and there

simple as that

[lean violet]

The battle wasn't over, yeah, because Ororon interrupted it. Mavuika was capable of chasing after and Capitano was also standing up to continue.

But like the facts are right there, in a final exchange of blows for this part of the battle, one emerges with a major wound

[lone sable]

ye

[lean violet]

Nails only fall down when damaged, it shows this is an intact/functional one

[tawdry blade]

No,they are called divine nail for a reason

They have to touch the ground

The chasm one was special

Because each has their own ability

[slender haven]

Capitano probably has a second form at least
I mean Cap is confident enough to want to fight Mavuika at full strength since that's how he wants to get the gnosis

[dusk meadow]

is than an archon quest????

[tawdry blade]

No

Its in Night Trial/Kingdom

[inland patrol]

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-10069852089847751246

please be wrong...

[shell blaze]

Where are people finding mavuika’s kit

[inland patrol]

5.1 AQ leak

[tawdry blade]

They had a dream

[shell blaze]

No like is there an actual leak

[tawdry blade]

No

Remember how they said furina kit is gravity ability,whirlpool,etc

The only furina kit concept that was right is HP drain,nothing more

[shell blaze]

And the hydro sword

And the insane buffs

[tawdry blade]

Her buff is still insane ,unless you mean something else

[shell blaze]

What

I meant they leaked her having insane buffs

[mint harness]

The first tall electro male

[thorny crest]

they dont

[slender haven]

I did not expect Ororon to be that big 😭

[slender haven]

I thought he'd be anemo

[hollow berry]

don't say it don't think it

[upper magnet]

||Sad he is not a 5star||

[slender haven]

Do we know that?

[inland patrol]

he has design of a 5 star

[upper magnet]

True, better than ||Chasca||

[tawdry blade]

Doesn't mean he will be 5s

[lime zephyr]

Xilonen kit out yet?

[mint harness]

Iansan has a design more like a 4 star than a 5

[inland patrol]

i lowkey hate this new iris leaks guy

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,he is trolling I bet

[slender haven]

That's the guy who said Capitano won't be playable soon? I hate them too then

[mint harness]

Well, he's not the only one who said that

[mint harness]

Leaked Capitano art

Nevermind, just seen it’s fan art

[fervent hawk]

So...Capitano will be available in 5.x?

[tawdry blade]

No one know and we will never know

Both Fontaine and Natlan break genshin tradition

It now hard to predict what to come.

[mint harness]

Fontaine leaks taught us all that we should wait until the certain version itself

I still remember the leaks that the Divine side of Furina will fall into the Abyss and sacrifice herself

[tawdry blade]

Only one of the story leak in Fontaine posted here was right

Even detailed too

this one,some of it was different though, like how the archon power isnt from the sovereign and vishap people thing,but it was closed enough

[slender haven]

I know I'm just joking

[slender haven]

We don't know

[fervent hawk]

Oh ok

[lean bay]

this dude is funny T>T

[tawdry blade]

Apparently, the presence in Capitano Mavuika talking about is ||Yohualtecuhtin,Lord of the Night, the reason why Capitano is god level because of the contract he made with him,in short,Capitano is nothing(still strong,just not god level without the binding) without whoever Lord of the Night is||

So that explained why the leak archon quest is||him in the Night Kingdom with oronon||

[hasty narwhal]

||Huh, I wonder if the flames and Yohualtecuhtin are related, since in the mythology Yohualtecuhtin is a set of 9 different deities.||

[tawdry blade]

||The flame is very likely to be Xbalanque so it can't be||

[slender haven]

||I mean Mavuika is nothing without the pyro authority and gnosis if you wanna use that logic ||

[slender haven]

||But hey me and Jenna were right about the Mictlantecutli connection at least||

[mint harness]

It is interesting that Tsaritsa's second name from CBT is not demonic, but Barnabas, as I know it is one of the saints

Focalors and Haborym ​​are from CBT and those names remain

[tawdry blade]

I don't know where that bullshit come from when pyro authority doesn't exist in Natlan,Natlan archon was never a god to begin with to get that ,gnosis doesn't do anything

And both of you theory are baseless sometime.

||It pretty easy to predict the plot if you have enough information, Traveler becoming the pyro archon in term of power is very likely with all the hint include CBT voiceline, we won't fight Mavuika or Capitano(?), both seem to work together in 5.1,could be indirectly (Capitano fan nightmare) ||

[slender haven]

||Xbalanque became pyro archon by murdering Xiucoatl (the Pyro sovereign) wdym there's no pyro authority in Natlan? You think Mavuika can just fucking do all that?||

[tawdry blade]

Do all what

[slender haven]

Flame hair shooting flames out of her hair y'know all the flame powers

[tawdry blade]

Authority is very different from power,every Natlan archon borrow power from Xbalanque himself,through the fire atleast

[slender haven]

Also idk why you're so mad about this, I said Mavuika gets powers from being archon, which is objectively true

[slender haven]

Yes, so they are the holders of pyro authority yes?

[tawdry blade]

Yes and you didn't need to point that out either,just because I said Capitano would be nothing without the binding

[slender haven]

It was just a weird comment

[tawdry blade]

[slender haven]

Saying any X character would be weak without the X thing giving them power is kind of a given

[slender haven]

||CBT voiceline?||

[tawdry blade]

Yeah, just poking fun at people think he was powerful since he was born,Xbalanque went through the same

[slender haven]

I feel like more people want Capitano to have trained for his strength
Characters who work for their strength are usually always beloved

[tawdry blade]

I can see why but he is not Saitama

[slender haven]

Saitama obtains power from being the protagonist

[tawdry blade]

||Venti asked Traveler to protect him after the pyro archon gave Traveler her's power,I dont think it is available on YouTube anymore||

[slender haven]

||Where is this stated?||

In a leak?

[tawdry blade]

No,just venti voiceline that isn't in the game,yet

[slender haven]

Hmm interesting

[tawdry blade]

Would be weird if he talking about that when we are still in Liuye arc

[slender haven]

Cant wait for the Pyro Traveler to still be dog shit

[tawdry blade]

If mavuika is dps then Pyro Traveler as a support for character like Mualani is my last hope

[slender haven]

I am kinda hoping Mavuika is support tbh

[tawdry blade]

If leak of her using a motorbike is true ,not sure how she gonna support other character driving around

mualani for example

Oh wait,burst exist

[slender haven]

Maybe it could be like Sayu

[slender haven]

Yeah

[slender haven]

Hey I'm not the one saying the original pyro archon was a seelie

[tawdry blade]

I wasn't talking about seelie

[slender haven]

Damn...

[tawdry blade]

Seelie are smart but look like they are not strong enough and they got wiped out,except for one ,maybe columbina is actually Wayob after all,I still don't think she would be a seelie because goddess of flower was the LAST of her species

[slender haven]

The aranara could have been wrong I guess
Maybe Columbina was just off in some ditch in Sneznahya unknown to all

I don't think she's a wayob either since we know they can only manifest in obsidian structures
So she's wayob possessed at most

[tawdry blade]

We have Wayob as an enemy and it is believed to be a manifestation of something something,maybe she is just lucky to get humanoid body

[slender haven]

Yeah but they're obsidian totems
If the Natlan people could make full blown human versions of them I feel like they would

[tawdry blade]

Knowing hoyo they could do that,like Sigewinnie but her story was fair enough

[slender haven]

I also think it's likely Capitano will have something to do with the night kingdom and the wayob so Columbina being one would just kinda be treading the same ground

[mint harness]

CBT voiceline

(Closed beta)

Before the global

[dim brook]

do we know whos on next banner?

[mint harness]

5.1?

If that's what you mean

Xilonen | Chiori
Nahida | Hu Tao

[nocturne ruin]

wait it's nahida

already?

[mint harness]

Yes, the order has changed

[nocturne ruin]

crap

lol

ill prob skip kinich/raiden altogether

[south anvil]

for who is it?

[slender haven]

Most likely Pyro Traveler

[untold rain]

is this item from 5.1?

[nocturne ruin]

no 5.0

i think i recall you getting it at rep

wait no at statue

nvm im dumb it's from the aq

[tawdry blade]

You get from AQ and Tribal Quest

[tawdry blade]

We have sus leak of Capitano name but I don't know what to think about it

About The Five Sinners

||500 years ago, a huge revolt occurred in the kingdom of Khaenri'ah, in which the nigh-deranged old king planned to break the seal over the Irminsul Maze. This revolt caused not only an overthrow of the Imperial court, but also brought a huge cataclysm upon the continent itself. Heroes came forward to stop the mad old King Irmin, but they could not prevent the disaster from occurring. Khaenri'ah, once prosperous, was washed away in a single night. The five heroes there turned and caused the destruction of Khaenri'ah. The Five Heroes thus became the five culprits known as Sinners, feared by all the living.||

via TeamMew

[hasty narwhal]

Quoting Dain "Heroes my ass"

[untold rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/phenylshark/status/1833848625916473706?t=JOkliPBD1Vn2CrTDMskOSg&s=19

[low hornet]

does anybody know if there’s another part of the main story quest coming in the next update?

[untold rain]

new archon quest is in 5.1 which is in a bit over 3 weeks

[tranquil dragon]

I wonder if we'll be allowed to ||sit at that throne at the stadium once we become Pyro Archon.||

[tawdry blade]

We can already sit there

[tranquil dragon]

Huh? It doesn't let me. I'll try again.

[tawdry blade]

My bad

I thought she was sitting

-# the image was posted by someone else,I didn't look closely so I believed you can sit on the throne

@tranquil dragon

[south anvil]

what is THE moment

[untold rain]

nothing important since it is an optional item disconnected from the archon quests and even world quests

[tawdry blade]

We don't know, could be use for Pyro MC cons

[tired ice]

enjou carried kinich story, what a fucking goat

@tawdry blade @slender haven u dont have to use spoilers in this channel

[bleak canyon]

i think it might be for pyro constellations or like for the end of the archon quest idk it seems pretty important

[lime zephyr]

Potential Spoiler

[bleak canyon]

Do we know more abt the pyro archons kit or other characters?

[bleak canyon]

omg the fact i knew madame ping would be playable

i think mavuika will be the playable archon, but not the real archon

[lime zephyr]

Like folacolrs and furina

[bleak canyon]

Yeah

[tawdry blade]

There are no real or fake archon in Natlan

Xbalanque is the male pyro archon with actual god power compare to other archon in Natlan

But he won't be playable due to him being the sacred flame

Real or fake,mavuika still has Xbalanque power that make her the pyro archon

[slender haven]

He isn't the sacred flame he just went inside it

[tawdry blade]

Still part of it

If he went inside it like mavuika he should be reborn but no,so yeah,he is part of the flame

[slender haven]

The Pyro authority still exists and is passed on

Idk why you keep saying it isn't

[tawdry blade]

What does that has to do with Xbalanque being the flame?

And it is still unknown if Natlan has divine throne at all

Especially how Mihoyo make Natlan has unstable Irminsul connection,Celestial involvement in the rule of Natlan

Natlan plot might be the opposite of Fontaine

[slender haven]

But he isn't, he just went into it
It existed before him

We don't know where it came from I'm pretty sure

[tawdry blade]

No? The Abyss fear the flame,what else do they fear? divine nail, not to mention Primordial One involvement

He is now still part of the flame

He died,return from the flame,set up rule,died somehow again and new pyro archon appearing

[slender haven]

I wasn't saying it wasn't divinely created
I was just saying it isn't Xbalanque, he might be "a part of it now" but

[steep laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR37UyWBK8o&t=865s

i love ashikai. no matter what she always brings things back to king deshret

all genshin lore theories goes back to king deshret being a fuckup

[mint harness]

This leak is far before even trailer for Natlan

Fake

It is said that Mavuika will share all the secrets. One more thing, she lived 500 years ago when Traveler sibling had her own adventure, so now she can tell us more than anyone before.

[mint harness]

If she says everything ofc, as stated in the trailer and by the mythology of her demonic name

[slender haven]

The Sibling started their adventure after the Cataclysm
Mavuika was already in the sacred flame by then

[elfin forge]

Can you guys tell me if Enjou said anything important in the world quest

[tawdry blade]

No

[hasty narwhal]

The only things he said was he was frustrated with how unaware we were of the capacities of our own power, otherwise he was just being a chill dude

[tawdry blade]

That the wrong line

It's in the archon quest

[languid lintel]

Are we getting a zhongli skin?

[tawdry blade]

Bever

Never

[paper warren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mGDq8foo7-k?si=BqsSyWSlDM09_jUa

[half wasp]

hes a old uncle, he never will

[worldly raptor]

when is zhonglis rerunnn

[viscid forge]

i need a furina re run aa

[mint harness]

Since the Dragonspine event is in 5.2, then it's Venti
Zhongli 5.3 and Furina 5.4

[fervent hawk]

When is Arlecchino rerun

[minor carbon]

it won't be before 5.4

[fervent hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-cry-crying-sad-cat-gif-1866959552710343548

[hidden osprey]

Do you guys think ayato would rerun before this january?

[mint harness]

Most likely

Actually no, 5.3 is already in 2025, I forgot

[hidden osprey]

I was hoping he would have a rerun before the new year 🥺

[fervent hawk]

A misfortune

[tawdry blade]

New function for the gnosis

Has something to do with the leyline,so is Tsarista trying to combine all the gnosis to weaponize leyline like Abyss order trying to do?

Now it make sense than just revive dragon who never like humanity

Seelie are angels,and lord of the Night were it

Capi is survivor of Khaenriah, I was wrong huh

He also know the princess and dain

[tawdry blade]

We won

Lol

It seem like whenever a character doubt your plan,the plan will be successful

Mavuika didn't die either

5.3 weekly may be Ronova the first Celestia related boss, it seem like Capitano want to fight her but he obviously isn't the main character of an archon quest lol, based on this,we might obtain power similar to Ronova in order to even stand a chance

[mint harness]

So, Capitano and Mavuika have known each other since 500 years ago, but she could not recognize him because he is occupied by Abyss energy

[hasty narwhal]

Damn we already got leak up to 5.3

[mint harness]

As I understand it, Mavuika used the power from the Ronova, now she has to die? But of course she will avoid that death in 5.3

[tawdry blade]

ofc

[mint harness]

But, finally, Celestia things happen

[tawdry blade]

I just want to see my boy Aether humble every harbinger fan

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[tawdry blade]

It will

Kinda obvious too

https://twitter.com/genshinimpact/status/1843231125436854774?s=61&t=9AQ1-iGFC7_h2d2Zo3lYYw

Genshin Impact (@GenshinImpact) on X

#GenshinImpact #Ororon
"Not even the most intransigent of patients can come close to matching his stubbornness. Once he's made his mind up, it's almost impossible to change it. I don't worry about him, though — He has his own way of thinking, and I'm sure he'll manage just fine,

Twitter · Oct 7, 2024, 10:05 AM

Kinda sad he is the hero instead,but reading the story make me like him a little bit more

I mean ,he isn't wrong lol

@mint harness do we know Traveler ancient name yet,I read the entire story but didn't even see any

[mint harness]

I didn't find it anywhere either. But there are leaks that Traveler will merge with Xbalanque, so he will become a member of the Natlan nation and will get an ancient name

[tawdry blade]

But we already got an ancient name in 5.1

Lord of the Night gave Xilonen something that can carve both Paimon and Traveler name

Also funny how Lord of the Night is more relevant than Xbalanque

I wonder what Ronova will do when she see Paimon

Hope hoyo atleast tell us more about paimon and Celestia in final act

[slender haven]

I know I'm just joking

[frigid lily]

Can I be honest

I'm like
A little dissappointed with the thing about Capitano being from Khaenri'ah
Mostly because I feel like the way it was handled is like
He's just Dainsleif 2.0
I mean its basically all the same with all of the Khaenri'ahn survivors:
They're always knights
They always have some big speech about failing to protect their homeland
They always know our sibling
And they always have a comrade who died or something

I just don't know how to feel about it
I guess there was that hint at the end about him having some connection to Ronova, which is cool
But still
Like, Pierro already filled the part of being a Harbringer from Khaenri'ah, it feels lazy to have Capitano basically have the same backstory as him, at least to me
Also we got Seelie lore which I manifested
But at the same time it felt so fucking barebones
Like I'm glad Seelies are finally being mentioned, but I wanted more than just the Lord of Night saying "oh yeah I'm one btw"
Like cool?? Can you like tell us more please?? About the curse maybe??

I think I set my expectations too high and now I just ended up getting burnt out

Is it stupid to say that I'm not very sure if I'm even excited for the finale anymore lol

[tawdry blade]

Finale always give the most answer so not being exciting for it is stupid indeed

It seem like all Khaenriah people know the sibling ,so it fair he know,because it's the sibling who probably help them at the time before the abyss attack.

Capitano doesn't seem to care about his homeland though,maybe I didn't pay attention at that part but he seem to care about his family dying more

Also Arlecchino is technically from Khaenriah too. Even though she wasn't born there

As for the seelie curse,I don't think there is more we need to know

We already know why they got cursed, I mean,there is curse of immortality, there is nothing else we need to know about it

[tawdry blade]

Forgot to mention,he seem to care about soul ,probably why he need Lord of the Night help to possibly fight Ronova because she is the ruler of death and responsible for people suffering maybe?

[frigid lily]

Mayne

But also the Seelie curse I'm talking about is the one curse that led them to you know

Withering away and what not

But idk

I wanted Capitano to be different

[tawdry blade]

Just imagine it's cursed of immortality but reversed

[frigid lily]

And yes I'm aware of Arlecchino's connections to Khaenri'ah

But its different

From like Capitano, Dainsleif and Pierro

See the reason why I'm interested in the Seelies and their curse especifically has to do with their whole connections to the descenders

Because of the whole "Outlander who fell in love with the Seelie Ancestor" thing

Because the outlander could have been a descender

Or not

But either way

Seelies are connected to the Descenders

Thats why I want to know more

And also about their whole curse where they're not allowed to fall in love with humans

[tawdry blade]

We will probably get our answer about that in the finale,the way they set up seelie lore out of nowhere is not a coincidence for sure

We will prove lord of the Night wrong and get more answer from him later

Also it finally explained the random seelie in act 2 may have been from Lord of the Night

Or not because he wasn't awaken until Capitano activated a device,it is still strange

[frigid lily]

See

Seelies are referred to as Heavenly Envoys correct?

Well

In like

The Ancestral Temple or whatever

They talk about an Envoy too

And there's also this

Its a crack theory but I think that this "misstress" they are talking about is that Seelie

[tawdry blade]

Probably because they don't want to see human becoming too strong, Seelie is already a powerful race to the point they used to live in Celestial before getting kicked out

[frigid lily]

Yes I believe that to be the case alsp

*also

Like
There's a pattern with these Seelie love stories
Is that the Seelie always gives power to their partner and everything goes to shit

Also

I'm gonna get laughed at by a certain someone here later

But

I am still

still

[tawdry blade]

[frigid lily]

Not abandoning my Lady of Fire theory

[tawdry blade]

[frigid lily]

I am riding on this hill until I die

And I also believe the Lady of Fire is a Seelie

Yes

[tawdry blade]

Even Ode of Resurrection won't bring that theory to life

[frigid lily]

I am that delusional

But an Incadescent Ode of Resurrection might!!
see what I did there

Look

There are wayyy too many mysteries still

[slender haven]

I am too tbh
All those theories I had about Cap being a Natlaner are down the drain

I'm like 60% certain Columbina is gonna be from Khaenri'ah somehow now

[tawdry blade]

It was doomed to failed,look like those people were right

[frigid lily]

What about the name in the Pyro Gemstone description?
Who was that person Mavuika was talking to at the very end of the Natlan teaser? (Blue flames? Like Seelies maybe? Hmmmmmm)
And who is getting resurrected?

[tawdry blade]

😔

[frigid lily]

Meanwhile I wanted the leak about Capitano being an Alien to have been true so badly 😭

[slender haven]

I thought it made Pierro more special if he was the one Khaenri'ah survivor but I guess not

[frigid lily]

It would just have fit so well

[slender haven]

That was never gonna be true bro

[frigid lily]

BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER

Think about

It

Cuz

[slender haven]

Dottore is gonna somehow turn out to be from Khaenri'ah isn't he? 😭

[tawdry blade]

Yeah now that we know Xbalanque will probably have no role in this archon quest,I cant see him getting resurrected

[slender haven]

I just had a theory his ancient name was Och-kan's

[frigid lily]

The whole thing about Natlan and the Traveler right now is cuz he's "special" or whatever because of the whole fate thing
It would have been interesting to like, go over the requirements for being a descender as well
Have Capitano's story match the traveler in a way
Two outlanders, but one is a descender and the other is not
One is with the Tsaritsa the other is not

[slender haven]

And that Cap was some kind of researcher into the abyss

[frigid lily]

Because they have been hinting about this whole "aliens not automatically meaning descender thing" for a while now
First with Narzissenkreuz and then with Perinheri book
Having Capitano be an Alien would finally like start to give us answers

And also

[slender haven]

At least my theory was better than that one guy who I saw say Capitano was Mavuika's dad

At least Ororon can be the fatui Natlan rep...

[tawdry blade]

But why would an alien randomly want to fight the ruler of teyvat?

Even Traveler don't intent to fight them ,just want to leave Teyvat

[frigid lily]

Think about it like this
His entire outfit
The way he covers his face
The way even Varka says that no one knows anything about his origins or whatever
If he was an alien
Aka not from this world
It would add more context

[frigid lily]

Well, think back to me saying about like, making his backstory parallel the traveler

For the Traveler, home is whenever the sibling is

But then idk, Capitano comes alone in Teyvat, but he manages to find "home" and actually want to stay in Teyvat
It would then make sense he would want to protect Teyvat

Also maybe his planet got destroyed

Thats another good motivation

Not wanting another planet to be destroyed

Fuck it I'm still coping

Arlecchino lied about being from Fontaine

Capitano is lying about being from Khaenri'ah

[slender haven]

At least he isn't the Bloodstained Knight
Fuck there were some people being obnoxious about that

[frigid lily]

That too

[slender haven]

Can't wait to rub it in

[frigid lily]

Glad that theory is down in the shitter

[slender haven]

I'm tap dancing on its grave

[frigid lily]

Maybe

Hear me out

[tawdry blade]

If he want to protect Teyvat,fighting Celestial, the only thing that can fight the abyss then what he doing is just self sabotaged

[frigid lily]

When people from Natlan leave they have their memory wiped or whatever
Maybe Capitano was from Natlan
But he got gaslight into thinking he's from Khaenri'ah

Like idk

He left

And then
Fucking
Someone added memories into him
Like with the Caribert quest

God I hate this

Come on Hoyoverse

You could have done better 😔

I'm legit dissappointed lol

[slender haven]

Pierro gaslit him maybe

[frigid lily]

Whatever fan theories people had were at least less generic then "oh yeah he's just from Khaenri'ah lol"

[slender haven]

Alright the race is on
How much you wanna bet Columbina is gonna be from Khaenri'ah too now

[tawdry blade]

Very unlikely from her appearance

[frigid lily]

The Seelie theory for her is becoming even more likely now honestly
As unfortunate as it may be because I never liked the theory

[slender haven]

You never know

[frigid lily]

Yeah

I mean does Capitano give the vibes he's from Khaenri'ah?

No

[tawdry blade]

She might just be from Snez

[frigid lily]

And yet hey, he is

[slender haven]

Well...kinda

[tawdry blade]

Or alien

[frigid lily]

Well I don't see it

[slender haven]

There's a story about an "angelic" woman coming to Khaenri'ah in Perinheri

[frigid lily]

Oh God you're right

LMFAO

😭😭

We're so fucked

[tawdry blade]

But that angelic person isn't from Khaenriah..so

[slender haven]

And Dottore's puppet making techniques come from Khaenri'ah and he researched Khaenri'ahn machines

[frigid lily]

You're from Khaenri'ah and you're from Khaenri'ah and you're from Khaenri'ah and fuck it Tsaritsa is from Khaenri'ah also!!

[slender haven]

Am I from Khaenri'ah?

[frigid lily]

And Childe has connections to the Foul who was a sinner from Khaenri'ah!

[slender haven]

And Scaramouche was made from Khaenri'ahn puppet techniques!

Signora's fiance died in Khaenri'ah too

But that one doesn't count

[tawdry blade]

Khaenriah affected alot of people around Teyvat so it isn't weird tbh

[frigid lily]

Yeah but like

He could have had his backstory have connections to Khaenri'ah
Without him outright being from there

Like with Arlecchino

That's what's dissappointing about it
Especially with what Angelus said above with how Pierro isn't even special anymore

[slender haven]

I thought it'd be cooler if Capitano was from Natlan
All those theories about him actually having lizard eyes that we'd see at some point and now it's just gonna be that boring star

[frigid lily]

I didn't like the lizard eye theory
Because of the implication of him being related to the Dragons somehow
Like, his whole character is that he's the strongest human and what not

[slender haven]

You thought he was an alien

Also Och-kan was mutating into a dragon so

[frigid lily]

Yes but like
Traveler is alien too
And traveler is still human is what I'm saying

[slender haven]

I think Albedo said their DNA was somewhat different or whatever
Plus they were originally some kind of divine being at least

[frigid lily]

I just liked that theory more because I thought it would be interesting to have Capitano's backstory parallel the Traveler's

And plus

Thinking about it like this
Traveler is meant to be a "witness", right? Never the hero

So Capitano could be the hero in this case

[slender haven]

He's still a hero in our hearts

[frigid lily]

Which I still think its going to be the case

[tawdry blade]

Not all the time

[frigid lily]

The ending dialogue with the thing about his journey having been like sent by Ronova herself is admittedly very interesting
Like I said I'm sure we'll know more about it in 5.3, and maybe it will make the whole "he's just from Khaenri'ah" conclusion be less dissappointing

[tawdry blade]

We are definitely not a witness when we helped Nahida

[frigid lily]

But still

[tawdry blade]

And World quest is when we become the hero

[frigid lily]

I'm mourning my Alien Capitano copium 😔

[slender haven]

If he turns out to be like an angel of death that just originally resided in Khaenri'ah then maybe

[frigid lily]

Out of curiosity what does the like

Night lord look like

Because I haven't seen any images just yet

I deleted reddit

[tawdry blade]

No img

[frigid lily]

Damn

[tawdry blade]

Just voice

[frigid lily]

Not even for Renova also?

[tawdry blade]

Ye

Just voice

In flashback

[frigid lily]

Guess we'll wait for Wednesday then

[slender haven]

Or Tuesday 11 Pm for us Yankees

[tawdry blade]

I doubt they would show potential model for 5.3 weekly boss early

[frigid lily]

They did for Scara

[tawdry blade]

Only his first phrase

[frigid lily]

Still counts

[tawdry blade]

But we already know scara model,I am talking about Ronova model,not like raiden weekly boss

[frigid lily]

Ok but
In all honesty
While we are in the topic of copium here
Do you guys believe that there's actually a chance Capitano may be lying about being from Khaenri'ah like how Arlecchino did about being from Fontaine

[slender haven]

I just realized something, Varka is highly speculated to be a descendant of Imunlaukyr, and you wanna know where Imunlaukyr is implied to come from?

[frigid lily]

Oh God no

[tawdry blade]

Sh

Enough Khaenriah

[slender haven]

That's right. VARKA IS ALSO KHAENRI'AHN

[frigid lily]

Khaenri'ah doesn't even sound like a real word anymore 😭

[tawdry blade]

Enough

[frigid lily]

No no

Listen

I'm the "Lady of Fire is the one getting revived and she's a Seelie" person ok
I live and breathe Copium
My entire being is Copium
I eat Copium, I shit Copium
I'm a never ending Copium factory
And its not stopping until 5.3 hits and I finally have to admit defeat

[slender haven]

Hey, "victory and defeat are just rules, not outcomes"

[frigid lily]

Fair 😭

Anyhow I guess I got one win out of this, right?

I predicted the Night Kingdom was created by a Seelie

So there's the Seelie lore I "wanted" I guess
Even though I kind of wanted more on the Outlander from Afar and the whole Seelie "Ancestor" thing
I mean I guess it makes sense we'd learn about it in Snezhnaya
Nation of Love and what not

[elfin hedge]

How the fuck is Capitáno serving the Shade of Death if it was Celestia the ones that cursed the people of Kaenriah?

[frigid lily]

Thats what I want to know too

But hey

Maybe

He's

Not

Actually

From Khaenri'ah

[elfin hedge]

Nah, the thing is

[frigid lily]

And he's lying

Shhhhhhhhhhh

[elfin hedge]

What if the Shade of Death IS also from Kaenriah?

[frigid lily]

Let me cope

[elfin hedge]

Like everyone in this game

[frigid lily]

Shade of Death was created by PO, so, no

[elfin hedge]

I know I know

Just a meme

[frigid lily]

Relevant

[elfin hedge]

How many character the game has releated to Kaenriah?

[frigid lily]

Let me see

[elfin hedge]

More than 10 probably, right?

[frigid lily]

Dainsleif
Pierro
Capitano
Arlecchino
Childe if you count his connection to the foul
The Sinners
Kaeya
Albedo if you count his connection to Rhinedottir
And probably more that I can't think on the top of my head

What if the current pre load is just a funny haha prank the devs played on us
Like its an old script
And then tomorrow they'll be like "oops traveler you downloaded the wrong pre-load this is actually the right one haha"
And then we get the real Capitano backstory where he isn't just Dainsleif 2.0 excluding the whole relation to the Shade of Death

[elfin hedge]

Also dont forget about characters having their relatives dead after the Kaenriah thing

Like Signora for example

With his boyfriend, or Ei with her sister

Also Scaramouche was made with Kaenriah technology

Also, idk if we should mention the founder of the abbys order and his child

[frigid lily]

And Dottore uses Khaenri'ah technology

Well they're NPCs

If we start mentioning NPC's related to Khaenri'ah then the lisf will go up to 100

[elfin hedge]

Sandrone also use Kaenriahn machines

[elfin hedge]

Kaenriah rules the waves

[frigid lily]

Wish Seelies would rule the waves instead
Have every character be connected to the Seelies

Except Columbina

I don't want her to be one

[frigid lily]

Ok so

Capitano says that the reason he wears a mask or whatever is because of his curse and that he wanted to know how Dainsleif was able to avoid the curse or whatever
But then what about Pierro? Sure he kind of has a mask as well but it feels weird that Capitano didn't mention him
Especially since they literally work together?

[slender haven]

I also thought the night gods were Seelie you ain't special

[frigid lily]

I'm not saying I'm special lol

I'm aware you also thought the same thing

But still

God I'm

Idk

Maybe actually playing the quest will change my mind on all this

But

[slender haven]

Fair

Shut up

[frigid lily]

I feel...

Immediately burnt out?

I admit that

I did let the hype get to me

I was counting down the days so lol

I guess I had too many expectations and now I'm kind of left dissappointed until 5.3 comes around

[slender haven]

The harbingers are weirdly dismissive of Pierro in general
I actually theorize he has some curse that causes people to overlook him because of this

[frigid lily]

Thats an interesting theory

[slender haven]

Let's just wait till the version actually comes out
Also I'm still hoping we get that fucking Deshret reveal with the new Sumeru event

[frigid lily]

That would be cool yeah
Hopefull Nabu too 😭

[slender haven]

Yeah think of that one prophet from the Trojan war who was cursed to never be heeded
I forget their name

[frigid lily]

Never heard of it but sounds interesting

[slender haven]

Because literally every harbinger is weirdly matter of fact about Pierro
Arle and Wanderer are both really matter of fact about him (especially weird for Wanderer since Pierro was the one who ordered Dottore to Tatarasuna to begin with)
And Childe flat out dismisses Pierro for no reason

[frigid lily]

Childe dismissing Pierro is weird

Because idk, I haven't read his character story in so long but like

Pierro is the one who recruits all the Harbringers and what not

[slender haven]

Yeah, especially since Childe actively wants to fight everyone ranked higher than him
He should at least express an interest in Pierro's strength

[slender haven]

Technically Pulcinella recruited Childe but yeah

[frigid lily]

Also yeah I will wait until the version comes out and stuff but still
Its like
Fuck man idk
I wanted something more
I mean, there's still a lot of mysteries to the Natlan Archon quest
And I mean a lot
But regardless I was expecting a lot more
Honestly it seems pretty obvious at least to me that there's some sort of major rewrite going on in the Natlan quest
Between Iansan being the poster character in the Travail and yet having done fucking nothing in all the quests so far, the weird contradictions with the Mare Jivari, the Manga, it all feels so weird. I can only hope that the finale will be satisfying, but when they pull all the big reveals at the very end it usually feels rushed
But ok, I'll stop being negative, like I said, I'll just wIt for 5.1 to drop

[frigid lily]

Ah I see, yeah like I said I haven't read his character story in a while so I don't remember

But yeah the dismissiviness of Pierro is weird

[slender haven]

Yeah Natlan was obviously the nation with the least planning behind it
Fontaine showed some of this as well with all the weird talk of spies and assassins making Furina seem way more evil than she actually was but it's easier to dismiss

[frigid lily]

I do want to know more about him

Oh yeah absolutely

And also the thing about how she seeks to judge all the other Gods and meanwhile, she really doesn't

[slender haven]

Well her will lives on in Neuvillette One Piece style

[frigid lily]

Like, when we first meet her she even says something about how she judges the Gods of the other lands, but part of me believes that they only put that as a reminded that the Travail exists

[frigid lily]

Its also the fact that we literally had 0 NPCs from Natlan as well throughout all this time, this means that they could have changed the script so many times for all we know

Thats what worries me about the finale

[slender haven]

Yeah that was the weirdest thing
Honestly there was a part of me that thought they just wouldn't address it ever lol

[frigid lily]

But I'll stop being pessimist like I said
I'll be patient
I'll play it on Wednesday and then I'll have proper thoughts on it
Cutscenes aren't all out yet
They could have more context and it could make it all better

[slender haven]

Yeah hopefully it'll be better

[covert rain]

Can someone explain the true extent of Capitano’s plan with the ley lines? I get that resetting them would like fix everything, but it sounds like the repercussions were everyone loses their memories?

[slender haven]

Irminsul controls memories not the individual leylines

[hasty narwhal]

From what others say about him, he seems to be rarely ever present, might be why Childe doesn't care about him. Scara is another story though

[slender haven]

Childe should at least be interested in Pierro as a fighter since he's the top ranked harbinger

[analog merlin]

Pierro is Number 0 of the Harbingers, and basically another one of the individuals of Khaenri'ah. For who he is, he's probably way more dangerous than even assumed.

[mint harness]

However, I am afraid that we will have a playable dead character for the first time. Just because of the situation with Mavuika. I have a theory that maybe her humanity will disappear and she will gain divinity and become a God. But I don't know what to think anymore

[frigid lily]

I personally think Mavuika will die also but idk

Also actually speaking of which

Like

Talking about dead characters I mean

Capitano's possible constellation is the 3 nails right?

Ok so this is going to sound really funny

But I looked up what 3 nails means

Is Capitano gonna sacrifice himself like Jesus or something

[slender haven]

We already got the Jesus analogy in Fontaine

[frigid lily]

Who's to say they can't do it again

They always repeat stuff

[slender haven]

I just thought the nails would represent the Divine Nails somehow

[frigid lily]

That too

Actually did they make any mention at all of the nail in the night kingdom

[slender haven]

Not yet I don't think
I haven't read the 5.1 script yet either so don't ask me about that

[frigid lily]

Yeah I haven't read much either
I literally only read Capitano's lines and the ones with the night lord

[slender haven]

Based

[frigid lily]

[slender haven]

Ochkanatlan will solve all our lore issues to be sure 🙏

[frigid lily]

Praying thats the case fr fr 🙏

Also its supposed to be next patch right?

[slender haven]

Maybe? We're getting Mictlan and the Flower Feathers at least

[frigid lily]

Yeah so i think it might be next patch

I do hope that

The divine nail thing is mentioned in the main quest though

Thats what I want

Not in a world quest

[slender haven]

That would be cool

[frigid lily]

I mean

We get shade of death lore

And abyss lore

And like

They're gonna have to mention the reason why they sent the divine nails right?

Wow somehow I'm actually getting hyped up for 5.3 now

Lmao I'm too easy

[slender haven]

Poor 5.2...

[frigid lily]

No Archon quest in 5.2 so
But I mean we'll see
The world quests will be cool too

[slender haven]

Maybe the event quest will be cool idk

[frigid lily]

That too

Actually leaks are now saying the event quest will be in Natlan?

Before they were saying its a dragonspine event

But now its not lol

[slender haven]

This means they could be wrong about Capitano being from Khaenri'ah too

[frigid lily]

Maybe he just had his memory wiped by the shade of death

[slender haven]

And then gaslit by Pierro or something

[frigid lily]

We're really deep in the copium now huh

Ok but I am interested in the whole thing at the end about him having been sent by the Shade of Death?
If he is from Khaenri'ah, why would a shade do something like that

[slender haven]

I do have a theory that most of the shades could be trying to rebel against the HP so one having their fingers in Khaenri'ah could make sense

[frigid lily]

Idk

Its implied that she's gonna be the boss in 5.3

[slender haven]

Dang

[frigid lily]

Also I would just prefer if the Shades were with the HP
Or at least have Istaroth be the one that isn't

[slender haven]

Yeah Istaroth definitely

[frigid lily]

She helped Makoto out and stuff so