・genshin-spoilers

[signal mirage]

||nah its sealed with that blackhole form||

[smoky lagoon]

||did childe awakened its power jut in this story or did it alrdy happened before||

[signal mirage]

||her master's name comes from norse mythology||

[signal mirage]

||it happened when childe fall to the abyss in charm i guess, when he was 12(?)||

[smoky lagoon]

||omg pyro||

||i forgot abt him falling into something but theres abyss in chasm?? Lmao||

[signal mirage]

||also i dont think "power from beyond this world" means abyssal power, cause we dont ever see traveler using power of abyss, he used some form of "light" power in the beginning of the game so||

[signal mirage]

||well sometimes there are portals of abyss ||

we went there too, when kuki, yelan, xiao and us fell into the charm; one of the yaksha's soul was trapped there

[smoky lagoon]

||yeahh idk.. i spam tap when childe is involved in a story ||

[signal mirage]

that purple guy

[smoky lagoon]

Ooooooooooooohhh

[signal mirage]

it was archon quest right

there was a door

which took us to abyss

[smoky lagoon]

Omg i cant remember, i can only remember this archon quest lmfoaoaosodkso

[signal mirage]

also ||skirk seems like a character from honkai impact||

[smoky lagoon]

She literally looks like one

[signal mirage]

i wonder if genshin will jump across other universes

[smoky lagoon]

||aight so skirk can travel through dimensions.. that screen breaking portal thing and her not wanting to go to human world||

https://tenor.com/view/skirk-skirk-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-childe-childe-genshin-impact-gif-9835234799584083146

Anyways that was a cool ahh ahh story

[marsh epoch]

Guys... if Oceanids are all female
but half the fontainers are male

does that mean Egeria turned half the oceanids into guys?
Did she glue primordial water peepees onto half the oceanids?

Are Fontaine men actually oceanid girls with strapons?!

[ember beacon]

Hey, i just realized something, liyue's archon throne could be permanently available or permanently erased because their sovereign dragon is dead and if the archon throne is destroyed, the archon power will disappear, if the archon power disappears, the geo visions will cease to exist because there is no human to give such power and withstand it

[rough agate]

[sacred dock]

https://www.tumblr.com/hhaeyeun/731306309861998592/head-in-hands-ill-color-this-eventually?source=share

[smoky lagoon]

||she referred to her master as him||

[tawdry blade]

Well uh

No

They're all genderless technically

[livid vault]

Geo sovereign dead mentioned where?

[ember beacon]

The dragon who's dead at the start of liyue archon quest?

[mystic coyote]

you mean Rex Lapis the Geo Archon?

at any rate he didn't even die

that dragon was just to fake his death

[ember beacon]

the sovereign dragon bruh, not the archon himself

[smoky lagoon]

Was xiangling's order

[ember beacon]

What does this even mean?

[rough agate]

That's just zhongli making the people believe he's dead.
He descends in the form of dragon every year and gives them trends and predictions about the economy for that year or smth

[smoky lagoon]

Mb i thought u were talking abt rex lapis falling from the sky

[ember beacon]

How can he make a dragon that looks like him? Is it related to how he makes azdaha?

[smoky lagoon]

Bcus it is him just in another form

[ember beacon]

How can he exist at two different places?

[rough agate]

I didn't think too much of it, just think of it as his body that he uses for the rite of descension. And when that body fell down from the sky during the rite of descension, they came to the conclusion that someone killed him and of course we were the likely suspect initially and so on

[bold pine]

Because he's a god?

[swift nacelle]

He didn't make Azhdaha either, btw

He just gave him eyes

[rough agate]

Yeah he does imply azhdaha is older than him too

[lapis solar]

Since focalors died is it still called "the seven" or "the six"?

[mint harness]

I don't think it's the end of hydro archon, there are biblical elements in the game for no reason, especially the number 7

[keen hawk]

why is neuv so goddamm harsh on zl like

even the others get a chance

[hasty narwhal]

there it is, caterpillar what is up with you

[stable dove]

The grandpas are fighting

[hasty narwhal]

okay that side quest is the true abyss lore, whatever that dog is, is warning us to leave but is taking the "hilichurl" with him, next part is next reset but I'm intrigued

||Also another confirm on time disrenpency, the time I spent chasing caterpillar in the book only lasted the blink of an eye to Paimon outside of it. Oh Caterpillar, I wished you'd be able to live on the surface :(||

:(

man

[ember beacon]

Guys, should focalor thank traveler and childe for saving fontaine? childe's part is decreasing the whale's health, traveler's part is helping solve the vacher case as the last case for the energy indemnitium needed to destroy the archon throne

Neuvillette is there too dw, his part is "forgiving" fontaine's sin

[livid vault]

hi hello

Currently playable fontaine area

North west = Remuria?

[obsidian pawn]

they need another harbor to bring people up to the raised continent

we're not gonna only have one, right...?

[livid vault]

There’s 2 atm

One to the north is also required i guess so we can go snezh

[mystic coyote]

we have romaritime to the south and loumidouce to the east

[lyric dove]

yup

sumeru and liyue connections done

[livid vault]

Natlan i guess doesn’t share borders with fontaine

And is prolly isolated towards the west of sumeru

[mystic coyote]

it's on the other side of the desert according to that guy in sumeru city

[livid vault]

Yes yes

So only 1 more port in north is good idea

For northern mond and snezh

[strange oxide]

is there an explanation behind furina's two designs>

[livid vault]

Havw u done the aq

[strange oxide]

yep

[elfin hedge]

One is Pneuma furina and the other Ousia furina

[strange oxide]

yeah but lorewise why are there two

what does pneuma/ousia represent

[elfin hedge]

Does someone think that the Heavenly Principles will do something against Fontaine?

[elfin hedge]

Idk but rn for example Neuvillete after getting back the Hydro Authority he also control Pneuma and Ousia

But before that he could only control Pneuma

[hasty narwhal]

I feel like this will be whatever plot will unleash for the next harbinger boss.

[ember beacon]

If the aftermath of fontaine got reversed and all of them suddenly dissolves, i will hold focalor accountable for what happened in poisson

[ember beacon]

Think about bone marrow babies, that's how illegal making humans not the correct way

Well, in this case, i think heavenly principles or whatever celestia is in the past, i think the authority to make humans is for them and only they can do it, no archon should do it if granted the power but not the authority

[elfin hedge]

I mean about the seat of the Hydro archon being destroyed and the Authority returning to the Hydro Sovereign

[ember beacon]

I think for now, heavenly principles don't know about this... yet

[elfin hedge]

I dont think that they dont know about it yet, the people of fontaine is still alive, the water level of fontaine went back, there is a Hydro Sovereign with full power xd

[ember beacon]

Well nahida did say that celestia is dormant for hundreds of years, maybe it went dormant after the cataclysm happened, because if they are active, fontaine would've immediately been sentenced after the cataclysm to any punishment celestia wants

[ember beacon]

Man, talochard is funny you know

[ember beacon]

Well... shit, charlotte could be lying about her news based on talochard quests

I hate real life timegated quests, why would they even make that sort of quests?

[vernal vale]

Anyone can explain where did skirk throw childe and what was that thing she throwed with him?

[ember beacon]

The thing she throws is the whale that was small as an orb

Maybe she was throwing childe and the whale to they abyss

[ember beacon]

||Guys, in the demon lore, is focalor death really happened?||

[weary oriole]

||like demon mythology??||

[ember beacon]

Yes

[tawdry blade]

Pokemon ball

She threw childe back to Snezhaya

[strange oxide]

Did desyree father dissolve himself

[swift nacelle]

Seems to be the case 💀

[hasty narwhal]

oh wow the caterpillar world quest reset before the game reset this time uh.

time for more abyss shenanigans

[sacred dock]

oh.... oh that's very grim...

[hasty narwhal]

||Caterpillar NOOOOO!!! Why did you make me do it?!! 😭 😭 😭||

[hasty narwhal]

Ok I'm gonna need help from those that still the whole narci's arc in mind with Ann Rene and all, because that log is confusing me

By deduction, that log should be Jacob's right?

[rough agate]

Yeah

I haven't done this yet but damn

Something very interesting is the "Universitas Magistrorum", the same one from the orbits namecard

[hasty narwhal]

The part of age reversing speak to me back with the whole virgil quest, wasn't it Carter that reversed into nothing?

[hasty narwhal]

yeah, the melusine also spoke of some throne burning finally getting extinguished

it was a wild ride

[rough agate]

I've only done the main narzissenkreuz world quest
I didn't know there was more to it

[hasty narwhal]

You should have gotten the last page for the book after going the quest iirc?

I think it triggers after

oh wait no, it triggers after unlocking all the mirrors

[rough agate]

My assumption has always been that || Carter became caterpillar because of his "previous life memories" ||

Not sure if that still holds true

Oh wait this is spoiler channel

[hasty narwhal]

it's confusing yeah, I'm gonna have to reread all the notes in order

Yeah

[rough agate]

Didn't need to spoiler that

[hasty narwhal]

Before that the dog said this space was about to collapse because Caterpillar entered the realm and it was a paradox from this memory.
So that should mean this dog is.. rene?

But the metaphor is confusing me, I thought he was carter and the paradox was that there couldn't be two cater, but after reading the log "obsessed with saving me" should be referring to Rene

Or it is Cater, since the dog seems to say they failed

[rough agate]

Puppy sounds like carter yep
Not rene

[hasty narwhal]

So Cater died by reversing into void, hecked up Jacob and the others pretty good, Jacob became obsessed with saving Rene next turning into the main story quest? Used Cater's remain on a hilichurl which became caterpillar?

[rough agate]

Idk what they did but sounds about right from reading those together

The dog has the memory but the hilichurl has the personality? Idk how that works

Poor Jakob

[hasty narwhal]

then the melusine and caterpillar kept talking about golden butterflies which I thought were reference to the traveler since it's not the first time that parallel have been made but then the melusine is like

I'm so confused by this quest

[rough agate]

Canotila doing some serious drugs

[hasty narwhal]

I think with context that this book is Jacob's the garden the melusine saw is probably the one we saw in mary-ann's tower

The dog ends our trip by asking what he looks like to us and we say "a dog" then he says "Good, then you should leave and not come back"

Had to kill caterpillar tho, this place turned him back into a hilichurl, the melusine said everytime he came close the garden would dissapear and everything would turn into ruin

maybe caterpillar entering the book gave more essence to the dog we couldn't understand before? As if the remains went back to the dog and that's why caterpillar returned to being a normal hilichurl

[swift nacelle]

That quest was quite a trip

of the hallucinogen kind

[hasty narwhal]

Tbh this quest kind of reinforces my idea that the abyss isn't really conscious, but reacts to the people/will entering it

if it's really an alive being with a mind of its own, it probably has the same IQ as the whale

[frank epoch]

is the harbinger that is mentioned in the end of the steambird world quest , the marriontte ?

[swift nacelle]

Most likely

Arlecchino was introduced similarly in Inazuma

[hasty narwhal]

It’s said to be a harbinger interested in mechanics, i feel like it’s hinting at the marionette
I also can’t unhear the theory that the marionette is Alain from the world quest

[rough agate]

That's just some wack theory like usual

There was the guizhong is sandrone theory before

Well

I hope people will stop saying Sandrone is mary-ann now lol

[swift nacelle]

I like the theory that the big robot is Alain

[sacred dock]

https://www.tumblr.com/natsonice/733905580328206336/have-u-heard-of-the-prophecy

https://www.tumblr.com/s-aprua/733915506836406273/itll-be-ok

[hasty narwhal]

Man they didn't add the theme playing in the ordo after the quest as radiant crystal yet, it's so pretty, it's the 'her wish' of Fontaine to me I want it 😭

[ruby cave]

[sacred dock]

https://www.tumblr.com/abel-draws/733737417618620416/the-fact-that-neuvillette-gave-her-her-vision

[tawdry blade]

Definitely not him,if it was him,he would have give her it long ago

So she would defend herself

[swift nacelle]

It's his power, but yeah he doesn't personally give them out

[sweet gyro]

I read a theory saying that archons actually take part in giving visions but they only see passion of the person but they don't know who

if its the one with the elemental authority who does

but I haven't read neuvillette's voiceline and story line yet so idk

[swift nacelle]

That's not a theory anymore

That's directly confirmed by Neuvillette's Vision story line

Well kinda

Archons are mandated to create "visions"

They just don't know who they go to

[sweet gyro]

yeah it was in a reddit comment during the pre load text mine so I couldn't tell

[swift nacelle]

Neuvillette isn't obligated to, but does it anyways

[sweet gyro]

yeah also do u think Furina recieved both pneuma and ousia cuz of neuvillette's control over both or cuz she practically has the body of an archon

but focalors could've also had control over both so I cant tell

[swift nacelle]

Not explained actually

[sweet gyro]

[ember shuttle]

does anyone know what this weird red sperm is

[hasty narwhal]

It's part of a hidden quest, they go into the sunflower paintings

You need to find all 6 to unlock the quests

[ember shuttle]

oh thanks!

[tawdry blade]

So that why cyno got electro vision by reading a book

[mint harness]

We needed this during Quest

[smoky axle]

Imagine when we get to Snezhnaya the Cryo gnosis gets stolen by some members of the underground group in order to destroy it before the fatui gather all of them

[weary oriole]

aether and paimon are so fucking rude to furina in her story quest

[sacred dock]

https://vxtwitter.com/nana_illust/status/1723772840686846292?s=61&t=b2Funy9DRUmvBHO3mUd8Tg

[tawdry blade]

Not really

[shrewd matrix]

mostly paimon

[sinful sage]

So since when is borderline gaslighting, guilt tripping, and putting someone in a situation where they have to overstep their own boundaries not rude?

I’ve never hated how they handled a quest more

Furina is a great character and it would’ve been real nice for her to have character development that wasn’t just forced upon her

I don’t know why people defend Paimon and traveller on this. They degraded her living situation, what she eats, made rude side comments, tried everything they could to make her go over boundaries and saying “what’s wrong with one exception?”. What’s wrong is that when someone sets a boundary it means NO I will not do this. There should not be exceptions. And it was great to see Furina keep trying to establish this but it was all for nothing in the end

They don’t seem to really care about her general wellbeing. They just want her to be a part of the troupe

[obsidian pawn]

that's why I'm going to refuse to play this story quest until mihoyo updates it

hope the dialogue gets more neutral I guess?

mihoyo seems to be exerting traveler's personality a bit more over time.

and I think they misjudged

or overstepped

like its pretty obvious that traveler coldly/rudely refuses to deal with affairs in a new nation nowadays

until something pulls them in

and then its old traveler/paimon again?

idek

but yeah, paimon has no standing to say anything bad about 'useless'/depressed characters anyways

she's entirely dependent on traveler smh

at least depressed furina can make spaghetti

what can paimon do

[tawdry blade]

Y'all too sensitive,her food choice is really bad for her health ,her living condition is alright but that Paimon word not traveler. Story quest aside, traveler to Furina in her SQ are way different than Traveler to Furina in her voiceline because we teach her stuff and guide her,same for teapot voiceline it really wholesome. Assuming they understand her more

Don't forget Traveler made her enjoy perform again,it not a bad thing,she love doing that ,you can say she don't want to do it anymore but that is her hobby and she 100% still want to do it but she need some rest

She still perform in Opera House but not everyday a week like before

Traveler made her return to reality and do what she loves, instead of sitting in her home do random thing and eat macaroni

Her house are cluttered,her character story text suggested Clorinde came and help her tidying the place show how bad her living condition are

Both have small tea party and she is happy about it,she clearly hiding her true feeling, she really want friend and acting again

And this is all on Traveler,Paimon is just his partner nothing else so feel free to talk shit about her if you want

[tawdry blade]

Well you would not want to risk your life every time in every region

And that only happened in inazuma arc,in sumeru and fontaine they just join in

[limber nest]

I've always been taught that I shouldn't pressure girls (or people in general) into doing something after they say No several times, even if I "know" they'll enjoy it..

[rough pelican]

I got a good giggle after getting the Love is Destructive achievement

[sinful sage]

Okay? They could've had us just like y'know..help her tf out. Someone's living situation being bad doesn't give anyone the right to degrade it. Paimon and Travelers attitude towards her are dumbfoundingly insensitive and one sided. And anyways she made it clear why she does not want to perform, which we continued to pressure her into doing. The lines outside of the SQ don't make up for this, Furina being treated this way should have never happened in the first place

Really really think about this. You act like someone who you aren't for 500 years (which shocker, is really goddamn long) and after it's all over you decide to set a boundary for yourself and never act again so you can take time to adjust and improve yourself. But instead someone comes in, degrades your situation, guilt trips you, and pressures you into doing the very thing you don't want to do anymore because you USED to enjoy it

So thats just perfectly okay?

this isn't a matter of being too sensitive

its straight up morally wrong

[hasty narwhal]

especially when the AQ finished with them realizing how much she suffered for Fontaine it's such a 180 attitude

[limber nest]

Paimon be like "wow that's rough, so why are you trash at cooking?"

[ember beacon]

Fucking jenck, does anyone know if we can meet jenck in the fortress? I want to see if he really can't talk

Did sandrone get her hands on curve's data?

[hasty narwhal]

WYM she lenore was kidnapped by a hilichurl??? I thought i killed caterpillar

UH

I have no idea if it was programmed,to appear after I killed caterpillar

but it was him, traveller tried to ask him about it but he just changed the subject and disappeared.. somehow he couldnt change back into a human, so I'm guessin it's meant to be found after the hidden quest

So I guess he's still alive...?

[ember beacon]

Paimon is becoming more unhinged the deeper the story is and it can be used as an evidence that she is from celestia where they always look down on teyvat (literally looking down too), if there is no major and lasting changes to paimon's attitude in the rest of genshin's story, she will be confirmed from celestia

[sweet gyro]

theoretically there's way too many hints that she's the primordial one, at this point it isn't even a theory

still I find it kinda unrealistic and stupid how the traveler never seems to question where she came from

even certain npcs and playable character have hinted towards it way too many times it's like the traveler purposely ignores it

[ember beacon]

Canotilla basically says that paimon has a string that goes to the sky

Zhongli line almost hints about paimon's identity when liyue's archon quest or his story quests, something like that

[sweet gyro]

also albedo said paimon should have enough power to punch a hole through a mountain and paimon just avoided the topic

even her name is so similar to the word primordial one

pai/pri, mo/morodial, on/one

that's just a small theory with no evidence towards it tho but there's so many other points

[ember beacon]

I just hope hoyo is doing this sorely for lore and not to satisfy paimon's fan

[sweet gyro]

yeah but unless there's some kind of a curse on the traveler why is he never getting suspicious of her

[ember beacon]

Lore in genshin impact has basically touched all aspects in the game, even the gameplay mechanics has some lore in it

[sweet gyro]

he didn't even hesitate to question why a floating creature that looks like it came from celestia mysteriously was drowning for 500 years and didn't die and now accompanies him for no reason

[ember beacon]

Is it mainly sumeru characters?

[sweet gyro]

there's way too many I can't put a grasp on all of them but let me remember some

[ember beacon]

Watch out, this part you said could be answered so easily

[obsidian pawn]

When you've been traveling the stars for 50 thousand years, nothing fazes you anymore

[ember beacon]

Or am i just remembering sumeru's characters saying "shut up paimon"?

[obsidian pawn]

plus its not like you can carbon-date how long someone's been drowning lmao

[ember beacon]

Dehya, cyno, tighnari has said to paimon "shut up"

[ember beacon]

Well, a creature who can fly happened to be drowning, is it not suspicious?

[obsidian pawn]

no?

birds get trapped in water all the time?

[ember beacon]

Let's ask a question, has paimon ever said she can float on water or not?

Because if she can, that's the suspicious part

[sweet gyro]

aside from that small point what abt her clothes or origins? specifically cuz the traveler knows celestia should be the main enemy here so it's kinda a plot hole that the traveler never questions her

[obsidian pawn]

Paimon says all the time she can't swim

[ember beacon]

Float on water in the sense of hovering above the water

Not float on the surface of the water

[obsidian pawn]

just because she can float above water doesn't mean she can't ever fall in

[ember beacon]

You know what i always like to think, traveler having their own thoughts, not paimon or even the player knows what traveler are thinking

Only hoyo knew what traveler thinks

[ember beacon]

Oot for now, does anyone know the answer?

[simple hornet]

Personal crack: people don’t question her because of special powers

Just like how nobody in inazuma questioned the existence of the sacred Sakura post-cataclysm

Because to them, it “always” had existed

Perhaps paimon has “always been there” in a similar fashion

[rough pelican]

This last archon quest has a real End of Evangelion flavour to it

That achievement just drills it in

Post-disaster reconstruction my arse

Poisson still looks like shite

[ember beacon]

Is this one of them?

[signal mirage]

did u play unfinished comedy?

||why traveler dont go to neuvillette to ask about narzissenkreuz, is he stupid||

[hasty narwhal]

I did I also did the hidden quest with the book or revealing and the mirrors ||so I was confused to see cater alive when You kill him in the book||

[signal mirage]

||when we enter to the primordial sea you can view around with the camera mode||

[tawdry blade]

That is on you all,even as a big furina fan,I don't care enough to hate on Traveler because he still helped her alot outside of her SQ

And it is to expected,we never care about her ,we only jump to save her in the AQ because we still have something to ask.

[noble pelican]

if it was before neuvilette make fontanian become human, what would happen if they have a child with real human like from sumeru or next country?

is that possible? if possible, would that child become half-oceanid? would they die to primordial sea?

[tawdry blade]

I think there is no half oceanid and human

Primordial sea blood inside would overtake the half human child blood ?

So they become completed Oceanid people

So they would still die i think

[ember beacon]

About paimon though, do you hate her for degrading furina?

[thorny crest]

Kaveh is an oceanid

[ember beacon]

Wait, is it confirmed that kaveh's mom is from fontaine?

[tawdry blade]

I don't care about Paimon she can sometime be nice sometime annoying so my opinion change depend on what she does in the future

[ember beacon]

If she's becoming more annoying, will you hate her or not?

[tawdry blade]

I would but not to the point I'll go on internet sharing my opinion and why I hate her

[noble pelican]

I refuse to believe they don't marry people from other country, yet why there is no mention about this half-human thing at all

is this plot hole?

and I kinda wonder, if the weakness of fontanian "WAS" primordial water, then why don't they just live somewhere else

[ember beacon]

Homesick duh???

[tawdry blade]

Start over is hard

[noble pelican]

homesick is better than death, don't you think?

[tawdry blade]

Death is better

[noble pelican]

💀

omg, my pepsi is spill over

[tawdry blade]

Anyway, if you die,you won't feel pain again so personally I think it is better

They're lucky they instantly dissolve

Lucky

[ember beacon]

Well, death by primordial sea is instant and painless

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,one thing though

They will feel lonely

Because their consciousness did not die yet

In genshin

[noble pelican]

I don't think it is painless? that guy in the story scream?

or maybe he just shock?

[tawdry blade]

It was slow for him

[ember beacon]

I think he screams because he still can't accept that he's going to die

Or do you mean Vacher?

[tawdry blade]

The guard in act 2

Act 1 actually

[ember beacon]

I think it's because he doesn't get submerged fully?? (i forgot how the story quests is)

[tawdry blade]

Ye he didn't

I just imagine it as Vacher put something that can remotely explode by a push of a button on his body

Maybe it a little painful but for a while

Still better than being tortured by some Doctor

[ember beacon]

Do you watch owari no seraph? If you have, do you remember the scene where the vampire hunters killed themselves with drugs under their teeth? I think it's like that

[signal mirage]

did we travel in time with looking glass quest

canotila says she doesnt remember we entered when we go to the last mirror

[true sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-hydro-archon-furina-genshin-focalors-genshin-furina-gif-396668691738199103

Hoyoverse won't kill an archon:
Also Hoyoverse:

[obsidian pawn]

justice for Focalors 😭

[rough agate]

There were also multiple canotila, it was weird

[tawdry blade]

Furina and Focalors are kind of the same so I don't count it as archon kill

For me

[ruby cave]

Did the furina story quest, dang it’s good

best story quest so far

[signal mirage]

it might be some kinda memory or stuff

or contact with past

[rough agate]

Yeah I'm guessing it was like that too
Like her at different points of time when she entered the book

She even says some crazy stuff that I cant make head or tails of

[thorn condor]

holy shit, penny's quest is pure kino

only quest in genshin that almost got me crying

[thorn condor]

(end of the narsizenkreus quests spoilers)

||LMAO that drawing !||

[turbid sentinel]

its cute tho tbh

[noble vector]

any interlude quests in 4.3?

[icy dagger]

no

[ember beacon]

Guys, i just read neuvillette ascension phase 6 voiceline, do you guys want neuvillette to show up when we face celestia?

[livid vault]

Definitely

He will play a major role in genshin endgame

Just like other archons

[mint harness]

After finishing the last Archon quest, I think only Focalors wanted to be just a human, not Furina, Furina loved being an archon because it made her popular, but she couldn't stand it because she didn't have those powers

Because Focalors said that Furina can now live as a human as "SHE (Focalors)" wanted, not "WE”

[sweet gyro]

focalors last words to Furina was "from this moment on please live happily as a human, just as I wished we could"

the main point of Furina's story suggests what would happen if u told a human to become a God without their power or wisdom for 500 years which is also above the human age count

[mint harness]

Well yes she said "I" not "We"

[sweet gyro]

just as "I" wished "we" could

we could not I could

[mint harness]

Well, that's the same as telling someone that you want something for both of you, and not listening to what the other person wants to say about your wish.

[sweet gyro]

I personally believe after listening to her voicelines that she never liked acting as a God but only liked acting overall as a hobby which she can now enjoy without the restriction of it being abt a God only which isn't her

[mint harness]

Well, yes, because it was hard for her, as Neuvillette said, he burdened her with many obligations, and she had the same mind as other people

[sweet gyro]

but also keep in mind there's still potential for change in her second story quest, I personally think her story isn't over yet

[mint harness]

Oh, yes, that's what I wanted to say, I also think that her story about the subject of divinity and archon is not finished yet

These are the reasons why I think she will become a god again (refers to the beta version of the game)

• She had glowing hair
• Party setup effect
• Gnosis in the profile, but it didn't stay ??? like with Neuvillette in the beta, even though we knew he was a dragon
  These things weren't just put into beta for no reason

[sweet gyro]

although our current information is too little to guess what will happen in the future but rn I don't think Furina will return, the only thing she wanted this entire time was to stop this endless masquerade of acting as a God and to actually enjoy her life normally as a human

[sweet gyro]

I believe all of these were removed during the beta

prior to the story changing rumor

[mint harness]

Well, they were removed, but why insert them at the beginning without any reason

[sweet gyro]

.

after 4.2 aq several leakers claimed the story was changed last 2 weeks

around the same time beta closed

I believe the hair and the party setup effect were all removed at release

[mint harness]

Those effects were removed 7 days after the beta started

That's why it's strange to me

[sweet gyro]

tbh idr, as far as I know I saw them 2 weeks into the beta

or they were leaked u could also say

[mint harness]

In fact, it's not even 7, on Thursday we saw that her hair was glowing, but on Monday it wasn't glowing

[tawdry blade]

She still somewhat have divine power in her

And she unlocked it thank to the vision she got

a vision would not give the user Primordial SeaWater's pet or glowing eye

[sweet gyro]

we don't really know if she got control over both ousai and pneuma cuz of neuvillette's new order of the element and visions or cuz she posses divinity

in conclusion, we don't know

[tawdry blade]

What new order

[mint harness]

An ordinary person certainly cannot summon creatures like her, elemental ones

[sweet gyro]

tbh I didn't have any hopes for this until I remembered why was the oratrice gone in neuvillette's demo which hints it may have taken part after 4.2 aq(focalors sacrifice) and also Furina was still there on the vip seat

it's still confusing which is why I think there's more to her second sq

[mint harness]

And she wasn't playable in her story quest, people say it's because she got a vision at the end, so Wanderer got a vision then and fought. That's why for her second story quest we will surely have some fight

[sweet gyro]

I mean albedo also wasn't,I'm not sure if there's other characters too

[mint harness]

Just Albedo and Furina for now

[sweet gyro]

but yeah the main part abt why she wasn't was literally pointed in the sq itself

u have a point

[mint harness]

But we have to wait until April or so for her second SQ 🥲

[tawdry blade]

Furina got the most character development so Im not surprised if her act 2 will be another

[mint harness]

And the reason why I think she has a bit of Divinity in her is that bubbles appeared in front of her as well as in front of Neuvillette

Maybe it doesn't make that much sense, but maybe it's a foreshadow

[sweet gyro]

yeah who knows, maybe she'll be the first character we witness ascending to godhood

[sweet gyro]

u mean after focalors death ?

[mint harness]

Yes

[sweet gyro]

it could be that yeah or that focalors was just delivering her last message that way

[mint harness]

Maybe, but the Neuvillette demo without Oratrice and with Furina on her VIP seat is certainly a foreshadow

[tawdry blade]

Doesn't add up

Neuvillette still sound like he did when furina was still the archon

[sweet gyro]

wdym?

[tawdry blade]

His tone is the same as when furina is still the archon

Doesn't sound like the current Neuvillette

[sweet gyro]

idk I play with jp even tho it sucks for him but I couldn't notice the difference

but also no way they could just remove the oratrice for no reason at all

could just be his serious tone after all he's in opera epiclese

[mint harness]

I didn't notice a difference either

[sweet gyro]

he's now offering his personal judgment after all the oratrice is gone

[tawdry blade]

Also could you show me her beta special effect in party selection

I never saw it

[mint harness]

Just a sec

Bad quality, there are better ones, I just can't find them

[tawdry blade]

I guess they remove it so it make sense for the current storyline

And add it back when the time come

Those thing look like those droplets in Neuvillette raining idle

Yeah her hair was glowing like when you charging your device

That was such a cool thing to look at but they removed it

[mint harness]

This is better

[tawdry blade]

Anyway Im still coping they will add those features back in the future

[sweet gyro]

is the vid bugged or is my device tripping

[mint harness]

From the beginning, she had a vision and it was known what the story was, it was certainly not without reason that all that was included

[tawdry blade]

Those look like fanfare stack

Anyway,I hope my wishes will be fulfilled in the next 6 months

[mint harness]

Same

[tawdry blade]

Forgot to say this but mhy would not code something like hair glow repeatedly just to remove it after, atleast what I think

They could just make it glow forever and remove it after so the agurment that they simply haven't finalised her model is more valid,but nah,it glow constantly

[mint harness]

As far as I know, she is the only one that has an effect when she performs a plunge attack over water and an effect when she jumps like a dolphin

[tawdry blade]

She currently is like scaramouche,so I guess mihoyo think it would be weird for demigod like furina to have the archon party selection effect and not scaramouche so they save it for furina quest instead

[mint harness]

However, Furina is stronger as far as comparing them, she is a God, she is literally Focalors, only a separated divinity

This

[tawdry blade]

I think she would get her divinity temporary in her story quest, would explained why her hair glowing and stop evey second in her beta

After all, Fontaine is not fully safe,the floods happened before the prophecy

And Focalors might prepared it too

[mint harness]

It only happens when the burst is ready

[tawdry blade]

Neuvillette would not really able to stop it since he only has control over hydro element,not the water itself.

Or he can but unable to fully stop the second flood and some Celestia spy intervened

Maybe the second weekly will be Celestia entity rather than Knave, Fontaine is full of twist it not impossible

[mint harness]

Maybe

[sweet gyro]

pneuma Furina represents Furina acting as focalors

also the oratrice is a machine made by focalors herself to kill her

as for singer of all waters is probably focalors representation and Furina is the small orb its hugging

otherwise idk if it might represent oceanid focalors or not

there's no confirmation really as to what it is just a theory

[mint harness]

The pictures are only metaphorical, not meant literally, but to prove to people that Furina and Focalors are the same person

[sweet gyro]

there's mixed thoughts abt them but they both have different fates, looking back as to what Rukkhadevata said to nahida

so in a sense they are the same but also not

[frosty orbit]

What chapter is the latest episode of sou sou no frieren

[waxen ruin]

Hi guys do you know who this is and where she come from

[stable dove]

Honkai star rail

[waxen ruin]

Who is she

[stable dove]

Idk what her name is

She’s suppose to be a raiden expy

[waxen ruin]

Mei mei?

[stable dove]

Uhh yes

[livid vault]

Acheron

[hasty narwhal]

a better raiden

[ember beacon]

(Take it with a grain of salt) How you guys feel about the leak where all natlan characters or atleast npc is black, but only one person, that is the archon themself?

[hasty narwhal]

sounds fake as hell

[ember beacon]

That's why i said take it with a grain of salt

[tawdry blade]

Black or not,I don't care

If they look hot, beautiful,my type then alright

[tawdry blade]

After watch the cutscene again,it make sense actually ,there is quite alot of bubbles flying at her,so it can't be Focalors way to send furina her message,too much bubble for something like that

[mint harness]

Well yes, her second SQ will definitely bring back the glow to her hair as well as the party setup effect, but we'll see

[stable dove]

its probably not true

but if it ends up being true i will be very weirded out..

[ember beacon]

.

Bennett. Is mare jivari on natlan or is it the border between natlan and mondstadt?

[stable dove]

imagine making black characters for once n making them celebrate some white goddess like

[ember beacon]

Racist...?

[stable dove]

i dont think its stated idk

[stable dove]

kinda yeah

[ember beacon]

I hope before natlan or atleast when natlan is out, we can know if mare jivari is in natlan or not, but again, the theory bennett is from natlan can also be debunked by the fact that he was left there, it could be that his parent is an adventurer couple who forgot their baby

[weary oriole]

That's another honest level

My respect you have miss maddie

[weary oriole]

Since you love lore

I have 1 question for you to ask

Where does Skirk come from

[stable dove]

well thanks ig

[weary oriole]

Np

[ember beacon]

Idk lore that much, i just love talking about it and improving my knowledge

[weary oriole]

That's fair

[stable dove]

i think it probably is in natlan since it's described as being hotter then hell

[weary oriole]

Idk, they've said Natlan will be a pain, but we already fought a whale being able to kill planets

I'm not even afraid anymore

[ember beacon]

Well, i could make an uneducated guess that skirk is from another game called HI 3rd, her design is too honkai-eseque

[weary oriole]

Too bad, it's literally from Genshin

[stable dove]

i feel like they kinda nerfed the whale tbh

[weary oriole]

Yeah same

[ember beacon]

Well, what i meant that she's coming from honkai universe

[weary oriole]

Hoyoverse already said it

No multiverse between Genshin and the Honkais

[stable dove]

but its interesting its called a star eater and the traveler has said they use to be a star once

[weary oriole]

Nom nom!

[ember beacon]

See, i called it that you gonna say that

[weary oriole]

No shit, they already said no theories about multiverse between genshin and honkai

Honkais theories belong to honkai

not genshin

[ember beacon]

That was in the past, who knows that hoyoverse can change their mind about what they said, can anyone help me gave an example where hoyoverse said one thing and then later on is against what they are saying in the past (refering to "one thing")?

[weary oriole]

Or... wait...

[weary oriole]

They kinda said it on a lot of interviews

[ember beacon]

Are they still standing with what they are saying in the past on recent interviews? If so, give me a link with english subtitles

[weary oriole]

Idk the links, but I'm pretty sure someone that talked about it on the last interview was around 3.6

[stable dove]

huh..i thought genshin was connected to honkai

[weary oriole]

They said mostly not

[stable dove]

oh

[weary oriole]

u in genshin rn?

[stable dove]

no

[weary oriole]

Rip

Wanted to explore sumeru with someone

[stable dove]

[ember beacon]

3.6... 3. MOTHERFUCKING POINT 6, that's like what? A few months ago

[weary oriole]

They won't change oppinion that easily in months mate

And don't start that now abyss element is Quantum from Honkai

[stable dove]

that was back in april

[weary oriole]

Fr

[ember beacon]

I haven't even think about that

[weary oriole]

There are many theories about that after Skirk's screen protagonism

In 4.2 archon quest (Furina's)

I'm kinda tired about that...

[ember beacon]

The abyss is so mysterious, if we can atleast get a 10 minute of what it actually looks like, we can determine if they are the real sky or not

[weary oriole]

You can

Go outside at night

Look up at the sky

And there u go the meaning of abyss

Void

Nothing

That's abyss

[ember beacon]

I know the theory/leaks? about it, i really didn't even think about it when we discussing skirk

[weary oriole]

Wait, let's talk about this in dms, I don't want to bother the server itself

[ember beacon]

Oh no, this is a public discussion lore, we're going to discuss right here

At most, they will just get popcorn and watch us debating skirk

[rough agate]

[weary oriole]

Fair enough ig

[ember beacon]

Look, i got excited when i see skirk, at least there are some major progression in abyss lore

[weary oriole]

I said it cuz you'll need to ping me since I'm in genshin and I might take my time to answer

[ember beacon]

About the whale, when it first came to teyvat, did it come from the "fake sky" and goes down to the abyss or come from abyss's "real sky" and stay there?

[mint harness]

How did Furina summon her assistants without vision here?

[sweet gyro]

either they forgot which I doubt or they were with her somehow before she got her vision which idk abt, overall I don't think hoyoverse would make another model sheet where her vision is still the crystal accessory for no reason at all

[mint harness]

They are an elemental being, so they couldn't have been with her before, if she didn't have powers, unless this is another hint for the future, like in the Neuvillette demo, where there is no Oratrice and Furina still sits in the Archon seat.

[sweet gyro]

yeah that's what I'm saying, although idk if they usually make mistakes like this in demos as some people may just consider it hyv being careless but

first it's her ousia form

second the thing in neuvillette's demo is way too noticeable to be a mistake

[mint harness]

Pneuma as well

[sweet gyro]

actually i think they just don't wanna spoil

[mint harness]

I wouldn't say they didn't want to

[sweet gyro]

now I'm just confused

alr the difference between the earlier pic and this one

[sweet gyro]

this one is a recording of the existing in game files of her gameplay that players pull for and play using

[sweet gyro]

this one is a 3d cutscene which they can change anything

[mint harness]

But I mean, if she's going to stay with vision forever, why didn't they just do an animation with vision model?

[mint harness]

If we actually fight Arlecchino, I think she'll turn into Hilichurl, but we haven't seen one yet

[tawdry blade]

Crazy people think she isn't from Genshin, she was on Teyvat before went to the abyss to train with her master,that why she doesn't like going to the surface anymore

[errant cosmos]

Im a little late but I’d like to point out that these elemental beings are from a book she read right? The ones in her demo are probably a fragment of her imagination before she created them like Oz

[untold rain]

i think furina just always had them, it was just shown

just chillin at home

[errant cosmos]

how could she have them without any hydro powers?

[untold rain]

either a gift from egeria or focalors made them before going into the machine

to keep her human part at least some company for the upcoming years

[mint harness]

I wouldn't say that if they existed before, they would have appeared from the beginning

Fontaine’s whole story is very confusing to me

Also, on the official Genshin TikTok, Furina is listed among the archons, I guess people will now understand that she is still considered an archon after the 5th act

[hasty narwhal]

I mean technically none of them are archons anymore

[sweet gyro]

I think it's just still incomplete

despite the aq finishing I'm sure there's still alot more to either her sq or neuvillette's

[weary oriole]

Since Furina is now a vision bearer, she now belongs to a strict circle of people who are candidates for being the next archon... by the end of the story, i hope she gets promoted again as an archon -- officially this time

[mint harness]

I have a feeling that will happen

[thorny crest]

she cant

There will no longer be any Hydro Archons

unless whatever vision you have do not equal to what Archon you will be

but if that is not the case

then no Furina Hydro Archon ascension

[weary oriole]

I mean we will have to see for the future

[mint harness]

However, I think Celestia will react for sure, either they will take powers from Neuvillette again or they will find a new source for her powers.

[rough agate]

That is if PO is even there still

[mint harness]

Yeah

And that could be the reason for the PO to appear

I think it's time to start revealing everything a little bit

[weary oriole]

The Hydro Archon is dead, and there supposed to be a replacement

Clearly Neuvillete, a dragon sovereign wouldn't want to be an archon, a.k.a. Celestia's pet

[mint harness]

It is true that Focalors destroyed the Hydro archon throne, but whoever created it the first time can do it the second time

[weary oriole]

Because Celestia is enemy to the eyes of the sovereigns

[hasty narwhal]

If there's another hydro archon then it defeats this entire AQ

it'd be stupid

[mint harness]

Because it is in their favor that 7 archons with divine powers rule 7 nations

[livid vault]

Tru

[hasty narwhal]

especially since the end game is to destroy Celestia

[weary oriole]

She kinda did, but the gnosis still exists, only passed through Neuvillete then snatched by Arlecchino

The throne still exists

[mint harness]

I think AQ is more about the prophecy and the nation than the archon itself to be honest

[hasty narwhal]

no it doesn't

the throne has been destroyed

by Focalors

[hasty narwhal]

then you're blind tbh

[weary oriole]

Foçalors created the Oratrice to kill the Hydro Archon to compensate for Egeria's sins. Because it would be inappropriate to Celestia's eyes for the god of justice to not justify and give a judgement to the unauthorized creation of humans from oceanids.

[mint harness]

Ok

[hasty narwhal]

[weary oriole]

It was only done to not make Celestia mad. But really, the Hydro Archon's fate is not to die from the Oratrice.

[hasty narwhal]

I think we just played different stories

[weary oriole]

It's manipulation what Foçalors did to save Fontainians.

[thorny crest]

its gone

the Hydro Archon is no more

no full fledged dragon and an archon can exist at the same time

[weary oriole]

But they did? Neuvillete and Furina?

Oh you mean in the throne

[rough agate]

Archon's authority is also dragon's authority I think, So if there's a full fledged dragon , archon authority won't be there at same time so

[thorny crest]

neuvy was not a full fledged dragon

when furina/focalors was an archon

[weary oriole]

But, who would wield the Hydro gnosis?

[hasty narwhal]

no one

it's gone

no more hydro archon

that's the point

so that Neuvi can become a full fledged dragon again

[weary oriole]

it's in the hands of the Fatui

[thorny crest]

the gnosis doesnt make you an archon

[mint harness]

The Hydro archon as a deity possessing the powers of the Sovereign Dragons does not exist no more

[rough agate]

Tsaritsa gonna be wielding the hydro gnosis
Not that we know what she's gonna be using it for

[hasty narwhal]

I still find it insane how people want archon to be all powerful when it's been said from the get go that Celestia was the end goal and needed to be destroyed

Focalors opened the way for us

[thorny crest]

the archons are chosen by celestia

or successors chosen by previous archons

[mint harness]

Only Furina could become a god again, but from another source of power, just as Guizhong was a god, but did not have the power of the Sovereign Dragon, but the chances are very very small

[thorny crest]

she can be a god, but she cant be an archon

[weary oriole]

Since the gnoses were built from the remains of the 3rd descender, and the powers of dragons were contained within it

What if the 3rd descender was the Tsaritsa's lover who would be revived once she collected all the gnoses? Hence, incandescent ode of ressurection... the title of Natlan aq

[thorny crest]

3rd descender is pre archon war

tsaritsa is not older than that probably

[rough agate]

Tsaritsa isn't even the original archon since we know venti and zhongli are the og ones left

[weary oriole]

Then her goals are still vague, either she uses them to fight with light element or to bring back the sovereigns power to help her fight Celestia... it's too vague at this point

[rough agate]

She still wanted the hydro gnosis even without the authority hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[mint harness]

Surely to revive the 3rd Descender, because the Gnosis were made from his corps

So, it doesn't matter if they have authority in themselves

[thorny crest]

the 3rd would be incomplete

the corpse is not just the gnosis

[weary oriole]

Speaking of gnosis, what does the Hydro gnosis resemble in chess?

[rough agate]

I don't think we are shown that

But I could be wrong

[weary oriole]

Maybe in another teyvat chapter sigh

[weary oriole]

Guys I think the issue here is that we are theory crafting based on no information that has any context behind it like the story is known for saying stuff but not putting context or clarifying what they are talking about for example with kokomi being alluded as a dragon with the constellation and the backgrounds in enkonomiya, and the fact that it’s now known that genshins story tends to be either retconed or badly mistranslated for some reason they seriously need to fix that, we don’t know for a fact what’s going to happen as I know for a fact they don’t even know what going to happen for the future story of genshin, it’s very obvious that they are writing it as we go along rather than actually having a definitive story set in place, case in point the change in the writing team lead to a drastic change in the story. Let’s just say that with the way the writers move we can’t say anything isn’t possible because, they probably haven’t even prepared for the stories finally

[livid vault]

I also hate how there are many types of energies/phenomenons in genshin now

Making story kinda inconsistent

Like some ppl eroding, some dont

[keen hawk]

explain adeptal energy and pneumosia mihoyo

do it

[weary oriole]

That’s the problem they say stuff yet don’t give context and don’t develop it further like, maybe I don’t read lore enough to understand where the hell pneumosia comes from why was it so dangerous before nuevillette had his authority to have full control over it

[untold rain]

guys

quick, two questions

whats the name of the natlan archon quest

[tawdry blade]

Pneumaousia still dangerous even with Neuvillette,if don't use right

[tawdry blade]

Adeptal energy is just like any energy but for adeptus,problem solved

[tawdry blade]

They already prepared the story and 10 years worth of lore according to Voice Actor,just because a writer team change doesn't mean the entire thing will change

[tawdry blade]

Only archon/gods is eroding. And delusional user

I don't think they need to explain that

[weary oriole]

Really like how we found out that Fontaine’s archon quest was meant to be different, and just because you have a 10 year plan doesn’t mean you have the story or writing set, you’ve just planned for it the last over to 10 years. Think of it like a music artist signing a contract to make 10 albums don’t mean they have 10 albums already in store, I’m just saying it’s obvious they are making up the story as they go don’t mean it’s not good it just means things aren’t really explained and in depth, but to each their own

[weary oriole]

That’s the problem it’s not only Gods that are affected for example azdaha, is affected by erosion and they make it clear that’s the reason he’s so hostile but

[tawdry blade]

I said lore not story

[weary oriole]

Well my focus is on the story than lord but never much complained about the lore

[tawdry blade]

Thing is they will use that "10 years worth of lore" to write the story. The story writing can be different but it context won't

Erosion could just mean that if you don't age or die ,you would feel the sadness seeing everyone around you dying. You will keep getting more and more memory so that it started it affected your mentality. I think that one way to explain it

[weary oriole]

Ehhh, I don’t really get it expand

[weary oriole]

Yeah that’s the problem, that’s ur probable definition of erosion, there is no true definition of erosion or how it’s comes to place maybe they are keeping it a mystery for the sake of the story but at lease give a definition for it

[tawdry blade]

And not really,we are theory crafting based on the lore from world quest like Narzissenkreuz

They all have context,sometime cliffhanger but easy to guess

[tawdry blade]

They don't need to,it not that hard to understand what it meant

[weary oriole]

At the end of the day it’s theory crafting not cannon, and a lot of theory crafting turn out to be wrong

[weary oriole]

Who said they need to sometimes somethings do need a definition cos then anything that affects a deity or a live spicies’ memories and mind could be considered erosion.

But yes you can understand what they are saying but to say you understand what it means is to say you know the definition and if I asked every individual a definition of erosion it would all be different

[tawdry blade]

Because they used shitty mythology

Theory crafting doesn't have to be right all the time, they're still interested to read. Beside,we theorycrafting that Focalors would be inside the Oratrice before 4.1

[weary oriole]

I mean you don’t need theory crafting to know that every since nahida saying focalors gives the final say in trials and ever since leney said he heard a familiar voice it become obvious to many ppl who aren’t even theory crafters

Literally majority of the genshin community thought focalors was in the oratrice

[tawdry blade]

No,they still think hydro archon is useless

Before 4.2

That majority is probably like 10k people you saw on lore channel

[weary oriole]

I mean yeah cos they didn’t think furina was the real hydro archon so they thought maybe the real archon is in the oratrice and they we’re technically right

[tawdry blade]

You're overthinking,genshin background lore explain everything,I will say not everything need explanation

Like who need to know what erosion is? It won't give lore crafter any new information to make theory about when it just a process of dying inside for immortal ppl

[weary oriole]

That’s the thing that’s a you think you don’t think it needs an explanation others do and I think it would help theory crafters if Genshin actually gave a set definition of some of their term’s because then they won’t confuse things and make inaccurate theories based on it and then some new archon story comes out showing their theory craft was just dumb cos they made a theory out of a term no one knows the actual terminology of

But like I said to each there own

Sometimes it’s best to have terminology for a lot of words in genshin, cos a lot of good lore heavy video games have great terminology like souls games final fantasy and alike

Cos at the end of the day sure theory crafters understand but don’t mean other ppl who aren’t theory crafters won’t understand

[normal terrace]

LMAO

[tawdry blade]

I still don't get your problem,just because there are some thing that are not defined or explained doesn't mean it will be a problem for theory crafter to make theory. Alot of time lore creator are correct even without the full explanation

[ember beacon]

In my past debate, i said skirk is from honkai, then i remember (or was being told) that skirk said she doesn't show up to the surface again, confirming that skirk is from genshin, that was my fault

But, i want to change it to her outfit, her outfit is surely from the abyss since she doesn't show up again on teyvat, right? I want to theorize that the abyss gets some help from outside of genshin universe, but we don't know what universe they get help from

[tawdry blade]

Abyss just exist,they are not an entity

So they don't or can't get help from outside

Let just say they're basically space or dark matter

[ember beacon]

Abyss is a world that is under teyvat right? (Or maybe that's wrong?)

[tawdry blade]

It another realm, don't know if it a world but we know from Elynas that it is very dark and lonely

In short,elynas just float like he is in space

We don't know if Abyss order ever able to communicate outside of Teyvat but so far only Narwhal is otherworldly individual that got in Teyvat

[ember beacon]

Her outfit is too fantasy for teyvat, other than khaenriah who could possibly be making this type of outfit, i don't see anywhere inside teyvat to make that

[tawdry blade]

Probably her master designed her outfit

Oh and of course it doesn't mean her master is from another world

Alice can get knowledge from other world so if her master is similar to Gold,it possible that her master can take some inspiration

[ember beacon]

And also, oot for a bit, how old do you think skirk is in teyvat age? (It doesn't need to be the exact number)

[tawdry blade]

Around hundreds year old

She doesn't seem to know much about Teyvat ,all the information she gave are from her Master

[ember beacon]

When i saw this, i didn't think about that, I thought about how the materials are from teyvat (except khaenriah) can make that kind of outfit

Is time faster on abyss or teyvat?

[tawdry blade]

Her leggings are similar to Narwhal tail,could be her master using Narwhal speciality to make it?

[tawdry blade]

Time is slower in abyss

Childe stay in abyss for 3 months,but in Teyvat it only been 3 days when he returned

[ember beacon]

Well, i think we could see if there is any skin that was skinned off from the narwhal if we get longer cutscene

[rough agate]

So she is hundreds of years old

[ember beacon]

So childe is older 3 months than he was before he fell to the abyss?

[rough agate]

Childe was 14 year old

When he fell

[ember beacon]

I mean, childe has more 3 months to his age than before?

[tawdry blade]

Probably only his mentality though

[ember beacon]

With that statement, skirk should be on her 30-40s

[livid vault]

The event started

[weary oriole]

Ur statement makes it seem like theory crafters are the only ones that care about the lore and story, normal ppl care about the lore and story, no normal genshin player that plays for its story is going to now go do some theory crafting in order to try and understand what genshin writers are trying to imply, I’m not saying they should make it simple or easy I’m saying it’s a bit too vague, but like I said to each their own

[tawdry blade]

Normal people DON'T care about lore, majority if not all just wacth lore content from YouTuber and didn't think twice before telling other people about it as if it true

And most lore video have theory in it . So some people take the video serious and telling people it real and true

Most people don't search or read the lore for themselves,they let other do it for them

I haven't seen people on Youtube talking about lore that I never seen from any lore video,even if there are,it usually headcanon

Some lore like how strong Neuvillette is compare against other archon. I don't like powerscaling talk but here we are
People think Neuvillette can beat other archon because he is the sovereign or because he has full control over hydro because they played the story right?
Well,let see... Ei with godspeed and could dodge Neuvillette hydro pump(I'll only talking about ei so this won't be long) and beat him in no time,it depend on the circumstances they're on really. People forgot the archon still have half of their elemental authority and their special ability, Neuvillette fate alter ability will not do anything because it isn't offensive nor defensive

[ember beacon]

@weary oriole @tawdry blade well... y'all shit bro (talking about the topic you guys discussing) (theo von joke) /j

[tawdry blade]

you wanna fight?

[ember beacon]

(Sorry, wrong reply) @tawdry blade Do you know the original joke?

[tawdry blade]

Nope

[ember beacon]

It's "Well... y'all gay bro", the joke is about a couple having a 3sum with another girl and the wife turns out like girls and they tried another 3sum with another man and the husband turns out like dudes, he asks theo von what he thinks about that story, he just said that

Of course i change it into my version to curse two people or more

You need to find the video on youtube, it should be funnier if you watch it yourself

[tawdry blade]

[weary oriole]

Who’s y’all I’m not talking about meta gamers but even some meta gamers play for the story at the end of the day a lot of ppl care about the story and still aren’t theory crafters and even if some lore explainers are still theory crafters that doesn’t really mean anything at the the end of the day if I like the story I should have to search up videos of lore or explaining the story so I can understand, but at the end of the day a lot of the lore story’s and explanations are meant to be taken with a grain of salt with the way genshin works with give one thing and switching it up, but like I said before hand I like the lore it’s alright but the story tell within the main story is just vague and not as in-depth as what most ppl would want, and it’s the fact that understanding the lore brings more questions than literally answers cos, because it’s too open ended.

[plush flower]

Okay people I’ve finished cooking

But I can’t reveal it because it is classified information

[tawdry blade]

Don't ever cook

[ember beacon]

No proof = not cooking

[weary oriole]

Exactly

[tawdry blade]

Eh no,theory always have context,but hopefully it not related to any mythology

[tawdry blade]

Furina conclusion voiceline sound like she did ascend somewhere near future

[sweet gyro]

one thing tho, how would Furina ascend to godhood if
first, the gnosis is gone
second, the heavenly throne was already destroyed and neuvillette has his dragonhood, in order for her to become an archon I believe the heavenly throne needs to be there also celestia is napping for whatever reason
third, I don't see the point of her becoming An archon it's a possibility but I don't know, the point of the recent archon quest and her sq was now that Furina is free from acting as a God she can pursue her normal human life and enjoy her hobby of acting without it being restricted to acting as a God(she's not even 100% back but yeah) which is why probably she never recieved a vision during these 500 years, that acting wasn't a passion or a hobby or ambition to her during that time more like a duty, the main source of her suffering for 500 years

last one was more like a personal opinion tho so I'd like to hear ur point of view on this

[tawdry blade]

Godhood isn't archon hood

It when you truly become a god

She don't need to act as a god anymore but personally,I think she might want power to protect people around her. If she give up her 500 years just to save the people,Im sure she would want to protect everyone too,see how depressed she got when she heard the ppl in Possion died

Pretty cool idea is that she ascend to godhood in her Story Quest 2 and use her power to buff traveler.

in new weekly boss

[sweet gyro]

neuvillette is already up to that task and has been for 500 years while she was fighting the prophecy, I believe she was depressed cuz she felt like her pain and suffering for 500 years did nothing and in the end people dissolved anyway despite there being a plan

she was probably starting to question if the plan even existed at that time

the point is now that the prophecy is gone she can finally rest from all her duties and actually live a normal life personal to her only and not to a God

practically u could say she already saved everyone

[mint harness]

I agree with this, if she becomes God she doesn't have to act to be someone she isn't anymore, then she won't mind because then she will be mentally stronger, we know she couldn't take this anymore mentally and she wanted the life of a human because she didn't have it in her divine mind but like any ordinary human

I mean, she won't be made a god by Celestia for sure, because they don't even know this happened, as Nahida said, only if Gnosis is destroyed will Celestia wake up, and since Hydro Gnosis no longer has authority in it doesn't mean it is gnosis extinguished or destroyed

[mint harness]

I didn't know you cared so much about me. Does that mean that you still need my power? But given the way I am now... there's a chance I won't be able to give you everything you need. Hmm? All you really care about is... me? In that case, then let us act out our future journey together!

You mean this?

[thorny crest]

Gnosis waking up Celestia is a bluff

A divine throne is of higher importance than a gnosis in Celestia

[mint harness]

Which means we can expect events from Celestia during Fontaine?

[thorny crest]

No

Destroying whatever shit Celestia made doesn't make them wake up

Nahida bluffed that destroying the order upheld by Celestia would wake them up

but we haven't seen that in Fontaine

[mint harness]

It didn't happen, but it wouldn't be a problem if Fontaine had a 6 act, or some addon like Perilous Trail just related to the event with Celestia, just saying

[weary oriole]

But that’s an assumption not a fact there is no definitive proof that the divine throne is more important than a gnosis

[tawdry blade]

Tbh Neuvillette can't really do anything if it celestia sending some deity down to fontaine (assuming it is 2nd weekly) and we are the only one to fight it while he protecting the people,furina buff us

[tawdry blade]

Yes

We first help her learn how to use vision and then it went to her saying we need her power?

[tawdry blade]

"in celestia" because divine throne is there to sealed of Sovereign authority which is important in case they uprising against celestia than a device or part of another Descender

You need to stop with your "Um I need the definition to believe it 🤓"

[mint harness]

Right, we know she's inexperienced in combat

[tawdry blade]

She still is but her conclusion is like Neuvillette,one ask he will give us his power when we need,one ask if we need her power

[thorny crest]

the divine thrones contain the highest authority over an element, and is what makes a god an archon

[tawdry blade]

🗣️🔥🗿

[sweet gyro]

I would usually like not to discuss to that point as powerscaling is really trippy in genshin and doesn't make sense

[weary oriole]

I think you actually become brain dead because where did I say I need a definition, hope ur not seeing things I said we can’t make the assumption the thrones is more important that a gnosis cos it was never said

[weary oriole]

Again it’s an assumption not a fact

[mint harness]

Everyone here gave an opinion and if it was stupid, maybe I said something that didn't make sense until now, no maybe, but for sure, but I don't see the point of constantly stressing whether it is based on lore, theories and so on. I don't see the point of that passive aggressive tone in the sentences, if someone doesn't like what someone writes, they don't have to watch or comment.

I understand that there are people here who emphasize that they are right, but if I think I am right, I will stand by my position and will not say whether it is true or not

[thorny crest]

Focalors destroys the Hydro Archons divine throne which returns the authority to Neuvillette

wdym assumption

The thrones and gnoses are closely tied but the thrones are more important

The thrones hold the absolute authority over an element which Celestia stole from the dragons

[bold pine]

Hi

[bold pine]

What will happen if venti will destroy his throne ? Will dvlin become more powerful

[rough agate]

Dvalin isn't confirmed to be the anemo sovereign yet

[bold pine]

If he isn't then they r probably dead right

[rough agate]

Really not sure
Atleast with the hydro sovereign, we had hydro vishaps and we even had the information that sovereigns are reincarnating and that hydro sovereign will be in human form in 2.4
But there's no anemo vishap or anything in the game yet so I can't really assume anything

[mint harness]

Leaks came out that Liben did not go to Natlan, from everything so far, it seems that Natlan is an undesirable place for some reason, either because of the dragons or because of their nature

[weary oriole]

You stated thrones are more important than gnosis and I said that that’s just an assumption, because it is it’s never been stated that they are and never been implied that they are am just saying it’s not a fact

[weary oriole]

Are you replying to me

[thorny crest]

the thrones is literally how Celestia rules over Teyvat post Archon War era

[ember beacon]

What happens if we didn't do ruu's quests before aranara act III quests?

We mention ruu when we do his quests and then the aranara quests, if we do aranara quests first, i want to know what happens?

[weary oriole]

Where are you getting this info from and even if that info it’s true it’s still not a fact I’m not saying ur opinion is incorrect because that’s ur opinion but I’m saying your opinion is not a fact

[ember beacon]

Shit bro, you guys are still on that theorycrafting shit?

[thorny crest]

Celestia ruled over the Unified Civilization through Divine Envoys which disappeared or were cursed after the SWC war. In fear of the power of the Abyss, Celestia sent down divine nails to mend the land from the Abyss. Celestia makes the gnosis and divine thrones, and starts the archon war and started ruling indirectly through the Seven Archons after the war.

They didnt mess with the land below up until 500 years ago, when Khaenri'ah broke a lot of the rules laid down by the Heavenly Principles

[weary oriole]

Who’s talking about theory crafting😭

[untold rain]

fontaine so far

[weary oriole]

Are we there any new story leaks🥲

[livid vault]

We are there no story leaks

[hasty narwhal]

revisited the spot after the dorso quest, man this is a bummer 😔

[ember beacon]

I think i have a question that hasn't been answered, can we see jenck inside the meropide or not?

[tawdry blade]

That clueless guy still talking

Like get off this channel,someone who have no understanding of lore should stay off. The fact that you don't know divine throne are more important is crazy, whether it is mentioned or not,it is a fact that a divine throne which give you absolutely control over an element is more important to celestia than a gnosis which let you summon/use a huge amount of elemental energy (source: Nahida)

[tawdry blade]

Not when someone denying a fact. Especially an obvious one. Mhy doesn't even need to tell us which is important to know gnosis or divine throne are better. I already stated before,divine throne that sealed off sovereign authority (create life form/ Primordial Sea, Irminsul (?),other authority is unknown)and let the archon rule the region vs a creation from 2 of the Descender(gnosis) that can only call huge amount of elemental energy,just based off both ability we can decide which is better

[thorny crest]

I won't deny that the Gnosis will become more important in the future, which they definitely will since Natlan's will be the last one the Tsaritsa needs for her rebellion

but the divine throne is what makes a god an archon

authority over the land

and over a specific element

but atm when we have about 0 info how it'll be used

i'd say the divine throne is a bit more important

[weary oriole]

Ur still on this clearly this has got u triggered the is something called a fact and an opinion, every claim that has been made is an opinion not a fact, the use of hoyo doesn’t need to tell us is the same way ppl go out saying false narratives about the lore and story and saying them as facts even tho they are opinion, like I said thrones being more important is an opinion not a fact, cos it was never stated, just because you want to be delusional and think it’s a fact doesn’t change the fact that it’s still an opinion, if you need I will bring up the definition for a fact and an opinion since you don’t understand the difference, just because you have evidence to back ur opinion doesn’t make it a fact, and your basing which one is better based on its power level which doesn’t equate which one is more important at the end of the day did I not say to each their own meaning if you want to believe that you can believe that no one is stopping but stop spewing your opinion as if it’s factual and canon

[thorn condor]

finaly done with the Archon quest

poor whale

going by this item, it seems like it actualy feels sad about how all things are fated to end, but still carries out its instinct

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Tears_Among_the_Stars

[mint harness]

Has Traveler finally changed the sword in World quest or will it continue to be Dull blade?

[weary oriole]

That’s a great question

By the way this is very important cos I’m trying to understand we know and understand that focalors was once and oceanid turned human by egeria, but when was she turned human by egeria and when she was turned human did egeria make her immortal because when does Oceanids turned fountainians became human, they obviously lived a human life span unless they didn’t live a human life span and only began to live a human life span once they started to mix with other humans, but knowing the earliest humans created by egeria was before the rise of Remus, when did focalors turn into a human being (ofc we know they were fake humans), cos if we say egeria turned focalors into a human some several years before the cataclysm, then wouldn’t that mean that egeria continued to sin so she just couldn’t decide to stop her addiction of making more fake humans, cos I’m trying to understand the timeline here

So the real question is when did focalors turn human and did her life span apply the same as the rest of the Fontainians

[mint harness]

As far as I know, she was created by Egeria like all the others, but she was special to her. She did not differ from the others in anything, an ordinary person. After the death of Egerius, Focalors received the archonhood and that was that

This is the Leak for 4.6, that's when we get Furina's second SQ

Since Focalors split into two parts, Furina has no memories because she is only the body of God, without a deity, 4.6 could be the version when Furina will get some memories and maybe we will even learn something more about ancient civilizations

[weary oriole]

Ohh ok kl cos if was really confusing and weird especially for an oceanid she had a demon name

[ember beacon]

Fuck, why the fuck the events quests took a very hard plot twist?

[ruby cave]

wow that’s beautiful

Is that remuria?

my personal theory is that we will be getting the dragon scylla or one of the four harmosts from remurian lore as the weekly for furina’s 2nd quesr

architecture in the pic is also fitting. would love to see remuria in all its glory

[rough agate]

It's a concept art for 4.6
May or May not be remuria

Honestly it may be more fitting to get neuvillette sq 2 and exploring Remurian ruins for scylla and it's descendants

Furina is just a normal human now, would be weird to force her story quest to have a weekly boss

at this point now

Wouldn't that feel like it's completely missing the point of her story

[ember beacon]

Yoimiya.

[ruby cave]

btw, isnt a good chunk of 4.2’s new area remurian ruins?

and also the battleground for the latest events

[lyric dove]

Arle SQ 4.6 weekly boss

[ruby cave]

tbh thats true

considering both of them are dragons…

[rough agate]

Yes and she's not going to fight a weekly boss

[ruby cave]

itll be really lame but it might turn out that the concept art is some kind of “focalor’s inner dream realm” or smth

[rough agate]

Not sure
Even the narzissenkreuz institute was built on top of the ruins supposedly

[ruby cave]

again, were not in sumeru anymore so

[ruby cave]

interesting… the tower is remurian ruins right?

[rough agate]

But like it feels like they're withholding information about Scylla and previous hydro sovereign till now

[rough agate]

Nope

Rene planned for it to be created

The original idea for it came from Remuria's tall tower

[ruby cave]

bruh

now im genuinely confused about the architecture

since it matches some ruins and the battleground for recent events

[rough agate]

We know from the enigmatic pages that the tower of gestalt was under construction when he brought lyris in

[ruby cave]

so around 300 years ago in lore? Im not sure

isnt that when they combined to become “master” or narzisenkrutz

[rough agate]

400 ish

[rough agate]

Yes the tower was created for this purpose

To combine the wills of people

He wanted to become a strong enough will through that to sustain and survive the apocalypse

Which did not happen thanks to focalors and neuvillette and skirk

[ruby cave]

focalors hard carried fr

[ruby cave]

i thought he failed in his plan during the battle of elynas

when mary-ann and alain confronted him

but his plan was only finally defeated in the 4.2 aq?

sorry, ive not yet done the latest narzisenkreutz quest 😅 i dont really care that much about world quest spoilers thats why im still here lol

[rough agate]

Okay so basically he predicted that the whale would drink all the primordial sea of the world and it would cause teyvat to not have any more new life and eventually become the enka like ruins we saw in the book of revealing

3.6 nymphs dream artifacts says this

[ruby cave]

star-beasts

[rough agate]

Yeah

That's what he saw in his world formula that there would be no more new civilization unlike the samsara cycles so far

Remuria realized they will fall like that too using a different method

[ruby cave]

one samsara cycle = rise n fall of civilizations (remuria, deshret kingdom, sal vindagnir)

im interested when he said the whole world would be devoid of new civilization, not just fontaine

because only fontainians would dissolve in primordial water (their oceanids)

[rough agate]

Rene when he calculated the world formula was shocked because it didn't fall and rise like Remuria's time. Was completely different this time

[ruby cave]

Their technique to survive to put people’s conciousness inside stone golems

and turn primordial sea into golden lichor

[rough agate]

Yeah after the 2nd flood which is what we saw in 4.2, the whale was gonna drink all of primordial sea

Which might have caused the world to produce no more new life

[ruby cave]

ohhh… so after all 7 civs fall their would be no more new life… unlike before

[rough agate]

Yeah that was them trying to solve the situation but the method they used to find out that Remuria is gonna fall is through 'Fortuna' which is supposedly from fontaine's place likely during unified civ

[ruby cave]

fontaine is probably the most lore heavy area in connection to the main plot for me

[ruby cave]

Ic… i wonder if that was abyssal power or no

[rough agate]

Nope

Fortuna is said to be some kind of symphony what Gods used to rule over the humans during that times
So it's very very likely that it's some celestia technique

Or at the very least, seelie's

[ruby cave]

so celestia didnt intend for remuria to fall

unlike the other civs that violated their laws or used abyssal power so far

[rough agate]

Remuria still had the dissolving prophecy

So

Egeria might have just created the humans during that time

[ruby cave]

so celestia might have had something in remuria’s downfall.. considering the prophecy and fate is from heavenly principles

[rough agate]

My theory is that Remuria had 2 prophecy, one that their going to dissolve and one that their country is gonna fall and new one will rise later

[rough agate]

Ye

[ruby cave]

they didnt use nail for fontaine since there was just primordial water

Basically the prophecy was a ticking time bomb

[rough agate]

Egeria was supposedly still "confined in a pure grail" during this time being the heart of the primordial sea

[ruby cave]

The plot really took off after sumeru

we barely learned anything from inazuma… just local lore

[rough agate]

They're trying to shove Christianity everywhere here kekw

[ruby cave]

lol

[rough agate]

Egeria being the "holy grail"

Lochknights being the knights Templar I'm assuming

[ruby cave]

the prophecy is basically the genesis flood from bible

[ruby cave]

crusaders

[ember beacon]

Sad hu tao, she doesn't get a new customer

[ruby cave]

since its primordial water there woudnt be any bodies to bury anyway

[ember beacon]

No, i meant the baizhu sq

[ruby cave]

nvm

[rough agate]

There's even a bird that flies after the flood

Like the dove

[ember beacon]

She was going to get a new customer when suddenly baizhu revived jialiang from death

[ruby cave]

wrio’s ship is basically noah’s arc too

[rough agate]

Yep

[ruby cave]

dang

[rough agate]

Baizhu sq was pretty cool

I didn't expect to like it that much

[ruby cave]

does anyone know what we learned from first 3 regions anyways in lore

Im not sure if i forgot or there was nothing, really…

first three regions were more of combating fatui

[thorn condor]

Bruh, before sun and moon was releases in the 2.x patches

Even dragonspine had a ton of lore

[ember beacon]

I still do not understand the theory of zhongli able to remember rukkha (in sense of writing, it's hard to understand for me as second language english speaker)

[tawdry blade]

Damn,I feel bad for Lepine,she went bankrupt

Is it because I didn't do her event

[weary oriole]

Does anyone have predictions for both neuvillettes second story quest and furina’s possible second story quest

[hasty narwhal]

Man that event story was cute

[mint harness]

We don't know if in 4.X we will have a second SQ for Neuvillette, So far only the Archons have 2 SQ each, Yoimiya only got the second SQ in the 3.X version but not in 2.X

[lone sable]

fontaine was pretty disapointing honestly

the fatui didnt do anything the whole childe dillema was never explained

act 3 and 4 were the worst acts ever

[lone sable]

i doubt theres any massive wild creature that needs to be taken out like sumeru or inazuma since neuv is kinda the soverign

so i guess arlechinno somehow even though i still highly doubt its her

but she is fatui and she IS evil technically

[lone sable]

on a positive note i hope they hide the special rewards besides primogems like this in future archon quests and other stuff

[weary oriole]

The Fontaine archon quest seems to be a little confusing to average players. I guess you're allergic to good writing.

[lone sable]

you thought act 3 and 4 were good?

[weary oriole]

Yes, everything went as it was even though most are unexpected, everything were tied to the prophecy

[lone sable]

ok

they were still super boring acts though lol

[weary oriole]

Maybe you're just looking for fight scenes, i understand.

[lone sable]

im not

it was literally just boring

people excuse act 3 because it “leads into act 4” but that doesn’t excuse how slow paced and shoddy it is

act 4 wasn’t all that great either too tbh

[weary oriole]

Without explanation you wouldn't be able to understand the reason behind such actions. It's called a build up.

[lone sable]

the buildup and plot was just lame though

the tension of being in the fortress was kinda killed knowing we weren’t event convicts

it would have been more interesting if we had to get locked up ourselves and be seen as convicts from the eyes of everyone or something, I dunno

[weary oriole]

It was meant to investigate the fortress as well as Childe's whereabouts

[lone sable]

instead Neuvillettes like lol go eat this cake and do my job for me

[lone sable]

I know

which also was SUPER disappointed when there was literally nothing revealed about him

no lore, no explanation of his sentence, his relation to the whale

[weary oriole]

It's an undercover mission, Neuvillete is too high profile to do it himself

[lone sable]

all of that was just thrown out the window in act 5

[lone sable]

I know but it’s still a very boring premise

finding out where Childe is is cool and all

[weary oriole]

Well, that means you're not reading lore

[lone sable]

but the means to doing that could have been more interesting

[weary oriole]

He's connected to it, he has similar powers for starters

[lone sable]

dawg I did read but none of it is ever explained in the final act

he’s just thrown in a portal and they say “find out later lol”

[weary oriole]

It's called a cliffhanger

They always do it to engage readers/players

[lone sable]

you would think he would have more to do with the whales existence or something but nope

literally just some random dog he woke up

[weary oriole]

That's how he got connected to it. It was a backstory.

[lone sable]

that’s it

[weary oriole]

Maybe the reason you're not satisfied is you set your expectations high.

[lone sable]

yeah that’s totally cool I guess lol

[weary oriole]

Or in other words, it didn't met your series of events.

[lone sable]

Bruh

[weary oriole]

It do be like that sometimes

[lone sable]

so all that Childe buildup

was for nothing at the end

it was a whole other issue that had literally nothing to do with the main story

the hydro vision not working, why he somehow woke up the whale

all that buildup and the final act doesn’t even give him a single line?

[weary oriole]

Childe's backstory might've ended there but notice how hoyo introduces another lead to it which is skirk, her identity, and ultimately her master Surtalogi

[lone sable]

that’s fine it’s just lame that’s how it ends lmao