・genshin-spoilers

[burnt ice]

Hmmm

And by now it's confirmed the gnosis are dead person remenits ?

I kinda got evangleon flashback

Adam corpse as Eva units

[simple hornet]

The lore gets deeper

and more questions are popping up

so

who knows

[hasty narwhal]

Yes a normal gnosis should held a part of dragon authority and a part of the remain of the third descender

[simple hornet]

the more u look into it, the less answers you have

[burnt ice]

And still zero info about Natlan lol

[simple hornet]

Celestial Curse + Third Descender Remains + Dragon Authority

[burnt ice]

Curse as what?

[hasty narwhal]

Isn't the curse from the remains like Skirk said?

[simple hornet]

They have dragons + 6 main "tribes" + based on mesoamerica and Africa + Gigantic ass volano likely in the center + WARRRRRRR

[simple hornet]

no idea

[hasty narwhal]

Or maybe the gnosis only have the remains and the seat is what holds the authority

[simple hornet]

Also using the Narziseenkruez ordo's research, it seems Natlan is a main location where the dragon-celestia war took place

[burnt ice]

Another twink tall male who's dragon for sure, unless finally make those fine men from desertmodel

[simple hornet]

Also the Talking Stick

[burnt ice]

Like damn, ideal physique

[burnt ice]

Oh

I really hope the archon is not another female

We getting too many

There is could be something happens and the supposed to be famle pyro archon is dead or so and new one be male

[simple hornet]

theyre female

Its been confirmed

Originally Venti. Zhongli, and Dendro archon were supposed to be male

[burnt ice]

I can cope they could be replaced by lorewise

[simple hornet]

But Hoyo cant make small boy models so they made it a her /j

retconned

i think

i could be wrong

[burnt ice]

Oh yeah why hoyo never make small boy model

[simple hornet]

Hoyo does hoyo things

[burnt ice]

Or because it won't sells? I am sure girls will find them cute

[simple hornet]

No clue

[tawdry blade]

Because they're not cute yeah

Haven't seen a single small boy in anime that look cute

[burnt ice]

Lalafel from FF mmo are pretty darn cute tho lol

[hasty narwhal]

If archon female dragon male? *Manifesting"

[burnt ice]

How about we switch

Male archon female dragon

Biscaly better dehya

[tawdry blade]

I want girl dragon

[hasty narwhal]

Gdi

[tawdry blade]

Skirk could've been the hydro Sovereign

Smh

[hasty narwhal]

No she's cooler

Also neuvi slender

/J

[tawdry blade]

Neuvillette should just be a regular judge

[icy dagger]

war seems like a weird ideal i wonder what thats about (like is it as simple as they think war and fighting is solution to everything?)

focalors view on justice wasnt what i expected tho

[sacred dock]

If Fontaine’s justice and Inazuma’s eternity is anything to go by, there’s most likely some very odd portrayal of that aspect

[icy dagger]

maybe the prev archons were more literal about their ideals and current archons have their own interpretations

[sacred dock]

Yup
Oh right and Nahida’s definition of wisdom is very unique, too

[teal snow]

wait, was celestia that gave furina her vision?

and what's celestia gonna do to neuvillette and fontaine, knowing focalors sewerslided and destroyed the archon throne?

[weary oriole]

i dont think ill shut up about 4.2 archon quest

that quest was full of mixed emotions

[rough agate]

From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still.
Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them.

[gleaming sinew]

||how strong is neuvillette now?||

[rough agate]

Visions seems wack
But if their wish reaches the heavens, it's power still unknowingly shared by the archons

[icy dagger]

gotta have been neuvi

[rough agate]

In this case by neuvillette

[simple hornet]

we dont know

its implied its not celestia

but its not the archons themselves either

[rough agate]

Even though, he didn't necessarily give it of his own , its part of his power

[simple hornet]

they also seem to seal your "fate" in teyvat

[rough agate]

I wonder what it means by "completing their duty"

[simple hornet]

you basically get written into the simulation if that makes sense

theyre kinda like a trap

[teal snow]

this contradicted what ei said about archons not having any say over who gets visions

[rough agate]

It doesn't

[teal snow]

but it kinda implies neuvi now has authority over who gets hydro visions, right?

[simple hornet]

partly doubt it

only because

think about it this way

[rough agate]

"Though they might know nothing of who or what wish reached the heavens"

[simple hornet]

electro visions stopped appearing after raiden willed it to be so

after she ended the vision hunt decree

visions started appearing ago

[rough agate]

So they don't consciously give it

[simple hornet]

why tf would the electro dragon care about giving them out

depending on raidens feelings

she didnt have the damn gnosis on her for 500 years

she gave it to yae

[teal snow]

oh

[simple hornet]

so 🤷‍♂️

[teal snow]

oh i meant now with no more hydro archon

[simple hornet]

oh

perhaps?

hoyos intentionally keeping this secretive rn so obviously they have a certain answer we just dont know yet

[rough agate]

It's the "Authority" that matters I am guessing
Not necessarily there being an archon or a dragon
Since dragon's authority = archon's authority
Separate from gnosis

[teal snow]

yeah it seems like it

before that i had the misconception that the archon's authority was derived from the gnosis

[rough agate]

Same

[teal snow]

but it's been revealed the gnosis is just a thing that links an archon to celestia, made with third descender bits

and not really the dragon's original power

so, getting all the gnoses does nothing to restore the authority to the original dragons
an archon needs to die and not have a replacement lined up to restore such authority

but collecting them all does assemble together the third descender's power

or at least part of it

and i'm guessing that's what the fatui are up to

and traveler, the fourth descender, has similar power to the other descenders

maybe tsaritsa wants us to wield all the gnoses and nuke celestia out of the sky?

[rough agate]

Gnoses were created to suppress the "original order of the world" and to control the resentments and loathing of the world when heavenly principles got weak after the war with nibelung and others.
So it could be that she wants to bring back the old order into the world or reanimate the 3rd

[teal snow]

And it’s pretty much known the archons don’t like celestia

[rough agate]

Like who even does at this point kekw

[teal snow]

So they were more than willing to give away the thing that linked them to the principles

[rough agate]

Yeah

[teal snow]

But they themselves don’t wanna get nuked so they just let the Fatui do the dirty work

[rough agate]

Yeah that makes sense
Their people also could potentially be safe from the anger of celestia

[hasty narwhal]

the gnosis also seem to bring misfortune as Skirk says, every region we met had a cataclysm or curse looming them, which got resolved after they made the decision of parting with their gnosis. It could be just coincidence, but Skirk saying gnosis are bad luck, it's hard to not see the connection

[teal snow]

Oh yeah that too

[hasty narwhal]

So the seats of the archon are probably what holds the authority, and the gnosis just hold the power of control of order I guess

[teal snow]

Wouldn’t Focalors guillotining herself attract attention from THP and make it mad at Fontaine and Neuvi?

[hasty narwhal]

It's insane how Neuvillette's about vision dropped us so much lore

[icy dagger]

as of now seems celestia dormant since cataclysm but they could take notice in future

[hasty narwhal]

No because she was hidden and Furina still was playing her role, so by the time they realized they been duped, my best guess is that since neuvi would be back to full dragon authority, they can't do shit

but it's most likely they're just not awake to begin with

[teal snow]

Yeah Neuvi now rivals SoHP so if she tried to lift a finger against Fontaine it would be an all out final boss fight

[hasty narwhal]

Technically I guess it means Celestia should have no more control over the water of teyvat, yet can still hand out hydro visions

[teal snow]

From what I saw above, the archons unwittingly give out visions

[hasty narwhal]

unless Neuvi can make special visions

iirc correctly her visions have little teeth on it

[teal snow]

Or whoever with the elemental authority

So in this case Neuvi unwittingly gave Furina a vision? I’m not sure

[hasty narwhal]

Yeah, it's just if Neuvi has full control of Water in Teyvat now that he has full authority, could Celestia still harvest it for vision? Or maybe vision just aren't fueled with a specific element, and it reacts to the natural element of Teyvat. It's still not entirely clear

[teal snow]

Now I can’t say I pulled for the hydro archon lol, I pulled for the disgraced body double of her

[hasty narwhal]

why disgraced 🥺

[teal snow]

She got exposed as a fraud

I’m surprised she isn’t cancelled by entirety of Fontaine and people still hold her in fairly high regard

[livid vault]

Ur username is my reaction the information you just yapped

[dark gorge]

Me when the

[livid vault]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[hasty narwhal]

But she sacrificed so much 🥺

[teal snow]

Do her story quest

Fontainians don’t understand the full picture and thus her sacrifice

I don’t know why she isn’t cancelled lol

[livid vault]

Bcoz she is cute :3

Obviously

Pretty privilege is real

[dark gorge]

There were more pressing matters to attend to

Like uhhh

Not dying

From the flood

[livid vault]

[dark gorge]

Wrio pulled a whole Noah's Ark

[hasty narwhal]

Technically, if they remember the trial, they should remember she was a puppet of the hydro archon and that they were all oceanids to begin with

the trial stopped before the deeath sentence

then they got attacked by Pathur

[teal snow]

So the Oratrice never declared Furina guilty

[hasty narwhal]

so maybe they just went 'damn that whale was scary' and forgot about furina

[teal snow]

Only said Focalors was guilty

[hasty narwhal]

Nah the oratrice declared "The hydro archon is sentenced to death"

[teal snow]

And was to be guillotined

[hasty narwhal]

which didn't make sense with the verdict

since furina was proved to not be the archon

so it was a confusing moment

for the people I mean

and then

the whale came in and made them run out

[teal snow]

So they think Furina is also an Oceanid just like them

[hasty narwhal]

which tbf

she is

Since Focalors was also an oceanid before Egaria chose her to be the next archon

although technically, now that neuvillette forgave their sins and completed their incomplete form by giving them "blood", they all should be real humans

[teal snow]

And were thus saved from being dissolved

[hasty narwhal]

A true miracle

[teal snow]

Oh have you done the story quest yet?

[hasty narwhal]

haven't finished it yet, but you can speak about it if you want

[teal snow]

It seems like the only people who truly resent her are those in the Spina who had their brethren dunked and dissolved

Ima go on Reddit and see what people think about the AQ

[icy dagger]

did this include furina

[icy dagger]

i think it mentioned some people were still skeptical about her

[hoary mortar]

okay

the story quest went so hard

[hasty narwhal]

It's never speficically mentionned but I don't see why she wouldn't have been affected

Focalors words before her death made me think she did because of the "Now live as a human as I wished"

I don't know if that breaks the curse

and is she's just a normal mortal now

[icy dagger]

specifically was curious if she still be affected by primordial water or not tho

[hasty narwhal]

I think not, because Neuvillette now controls the water and won't let anyone dissolve

so yeah it would make sense she also acquiered real blood and is human

[teal snow]

i think the curse ties her immortality to the hydro archon's existence, not sure if she will end up living a mere 50 years after suffering for 500

[plain bison]

Damn, furina literally jesus

[broken sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVZFQGCiZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kglEsR7bqAY

[signal mirage]

arlecchino doesnt seem to be a bad person

so we might get her as a playable

[sacred dock]

Yeah no the part where the people of Poisson where loudly whispering and implied to pressure Furina to leave the please is really hard to watch

[ashen canyon]

It still makes me laugh seeing ppl like change reactions about childe, yea he got "bodied" by neuvi but it's a human vs dragon sovereign (he did scratch him so that should've been a surprise to those watching it)

Before gaining his authority, neuvi's having difficulty stopping narwhal while childe is going at it for like days with a technique (foul legacy) that drains his stamina

[hasty narwhal]

And without his vision to help, so he's sacrificing his life spawn using a technique that slowly kills him. But then again western side always close their eyes when it comes to childe so I ain't surprised. At least Neuvillette recognized him and thanked for his part, that's well enough for me

[little quiver]

why did childe give a thumbs down before falling back to the abyss lol

[turbid sentinel]

cant neuvillettte bring back the people that got dissolved?

[ashen canyon]

Neuvi even got surprised that a mere human scratched him despite the big power difference

[turbid sentinel]

he just needs to give them primordial water

[broken sluice]

if he can fetch out them consciousness i think

[tawdry blade]

Not really,time flow different in the abyss

It probably not even days

Despite all that,he can't still beat skirk meanwhile traveler consider as equal

[broken sluice]

throw a Melusine in the whale's mouth and see Neuvi's true power

[hasty narwhal]

To spite neuvillette since his hydro attack in the opera house did barely nothing, it was barely a petty gesture to mirror the first time they fought in the court haha
but it's also the moment neuvillette understood his powers wouldn't be strong enought to defeat the whale. Hence the, "thanks to that harbinger he could buy us enough time to get me my full power back"

I still love the fact Skirk was just chilling training alone and then she heard the commotion and was like " oh god damn it those two kids are at it "

[little quiver]

such a weird choice.. its like they couldn't have him give the middle finger so he jsut did a thumbs down

[hasty narwhal]

she also seemed to know about Fontaine's prophecy and went "fontaine, of course it's Fontaine"

[hasty narwhal]

I don't know I think it feats Childe better, he's not a rude person

[little quiver]

its teh same sentiment..

[hasty narwhal]

You give middle fingers the same energy as a thumbs down?

[little quiver]

in the context your provided

he is doing a motion to tell neuvie essentially hah i bested you

no one would give a thumbs down to communicate that, at least where i'm from

[hasty narwhal]

I guess it depends on how you interpret those gestures. To me a middle finger is more of "Fuck you"

it's like super rude

[little quiver]

i understand, it fits more into the context than a thumbs down though

imo.. it is such a weird thing to do lol

[hasty narwhal]

I personally don't agree, I think Childe wasn't trying anger him, just to spite him.
If it was Scaramouche however I would have 100% expected a middle finger lmao

But at this point it's just personal opinion no worries

[little quiver]

[hasty narwhal]

Scaramouche would double middle fingered him and call him f**ker while falling down

[hasty narwhal]

😭

Thank you for everything Focalors, you deserved to live happy too

gdi everytime it's those xenochromatics

[broken sluice]

just fontemers

not xeno

[hasty narwhal]

so this is wrong?

[broken sluice]

no

you used the word xenochromatics

which is wrong

[hasty narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/eddiemath-thinking-hard-let-see-hmmm-complicated-gif-13489714

[rough agate]

Xenochromatics are specifically the ones that give you the abilities

And also the one furina uses in her skill I think
I don't have her

[broken sluice]

come back at me when you can kill a xenochromatic and show me what they drop

[hasty narwhal]

I wasn't referring to an enemy??? just the drops??

[atomic mirage]

Now my girl will be able to hit in general

[lone sable]

translation: go fuck yourselves

[noble pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/skirk-skirk-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-childe-childe-genshin-impact-gif-9835234799584083146

[lone sable]

shes the best archon next to nahida

shes so good of an archon that she doesnt even have to b an archon

to be considered one of the best

[livid vault]

Hey

When the 4.2 beta started. U sent a picture of those characters from ordo

When they were kids

And one of them looked like sandrone

Is the picture available in game now?

[lone sable]

It should be

it was a leak before

[livid vault]

I dont see anyone discussing it smh ?

So idk if its there or not

[lone sable]

everyone was too busy doing the main story quests lol

[livid vault]

But then again, i haven’t touched the wqs yet

[hasty narwhal]

it's a world quest, most people tend to do it later

[livid vault]

Yup yup , that seems to be the case

[lone sable]

cant exactly get over the final act so fast

that shit was peak

[livid vault]

This must be it

Hopefully we get some sandrone screentime in 4.x

[lone sable]

im so happy natlan was confirmed to be in a perpetual war that was my theory since the start of this game

[livid vault]

Bcoz how will the mesh 6 unappeared fatui harbingers in 2 nations

[lone sable]

they wont

[livid vault]

I always wished it to be a tournament arc too

[lone sable]

that would be really weird

[livid vault]

Hopefully it does

[gusty harness]

guys, it's furinover

[lone sable]

i hope

[gusty harness]

focalover

[lone sable]

we fight the archon again

[livid vault]

I think pierro might appear after snezh

[lone sable]

if theres no fight with the archon and capitano in the archon quests i dont want it

[livid vault]

My headcanon was, we fight archon’s right hand guy in semis

And win

While the other semi final is archon vs capitano

[lone sable]

that seems most realistic

but still

[livid vault]

And capitano beats the shit out of it

[lone sable]

fighting another archon would be insane

[livid vault]

Tho i wish we get a scenario of fighting both

Archon and capitano

[lone sable]

they better up their aq quality next region

[livid vault]

Like us vs archon

[lone sable]

since its the second to last

[livid vault]

And then us, archon vs capitano

[lone sable]

i feel like capitano is going to die

[livid vault]

I wish capitano is ruthless brute who values strength above all

[lone sable]

it just feels right

[livid vault]

Who thinks your opinion is invalid if ur weak

Uk adam smasher from cyberpunk?

[lone sable]

valid*

[livid vault]

Something like that

[livid vault]

Not soon tho pls

He definitely need to play in the genshin endgame war

Probably he goes all out on mondstadt for some reason

And we finally get the highly anticipated capitano vs varka 1v1

And this is where he dies

He is RANK 1 afterall

So killing him soon will be a bummer

Also also

I hope he dies standing

Like whitebeard💀

[lone sable]

it would be interesting though if he didnt

idk how else they can make the story even more exciting in natlan if he doesnt die honestly, its gonna be weird tryiung to knock down like 6 fatui members in schenz

two of which i dont evne think fight

[tawdry blade]

The Genshin... IS REAL turns to ash

[livid vault]

Some1 else dying would make sense, but rank 1 dying would be too much

I’ve been expecting to get a quest in whish pantalone is shaking up the economy of tevyat since yelan story quest

Idk when it’ll happen but it would make for one hell of an interlude quest

[lone sable]

hes not piero or columbina though, those two have the signs to be relevant to the end game story but in the end of the day hes just a strong fatui member

[livid vault]

Bcoz pantalone sounds like a perfect liyue villain

[lone sable]

its like rengoku from demon slayer, just cause hes the strongest doesnt mean he needs to stay the entire time

[hasty narwhal]

Mister pants

[lone sable]

he can leave his mark in the story and die

[livid vault]

Ayy man i want capitano to die but really not within 3 versions of his appearance 😔

He became my instant fav since the fatui trailer in 2.8

[lone sable]

capitano better use a buff man model

[livid vault]

He can die if he uses the usual tall male model

Else pls dont

[limber badge]

Is it ever explained how focalors managed to decieve heavenly principles

[hasty narwhal]

With Furina

[lone sable]

she hid herself in the oratrice i think?

and she stored all the power used from trials in order to kill herself

dethroning the hydro archons seat of the seven

[hasty narwhal]

Furina played her role under the eyes of the heavens, and stayed in her prison that was the oratrice

so that they wouldn't get suspicious

[limber badge]

She made furina play the role of god while secretly collecting energy to destroy the throne from what i understand

[hasty narwhal]

Ye

[lone sable]

yeah

idk how a bigass sword did that but i guess it did

and techinically since "Focalors" is the true embodiment of the hydro archon it worked

actually scrap that she was also the archon

i confused myself

[hasty narwhal]

Her plan was for the prophecy to happen, and to change its ending by sacrificing herself and the throne of the archon to give Neuvillette his authority over water back.

and to have him judge them rather than the Heavens

[limber badge]

The prophecy was also some kind of fate that Heavenly Principles made it certain to happen i guess

So they couldn't change it except the result

[lone sable]

people calling focalors evil for making furina undergo her torment are stupid as hell man

[tawdry blade]

Using the archon power to kill the archon

[hasty narwhal]

As Mage N explained, prophecies are what gods envision the future to be, they can only predict what they can see. Which is why it was important for Focalors to stay away from their eyes, so they couldn't predict her moves

[lone sable]

makes sense

[hasty narwhal]

The way the oratrice worked is not really explained, it was just said she accumulated a lot of power for 500 years until it was enough to kill her

[limber badge]

Makes sense, so maybe heavenly principles watch the world through archons eyes

[livid vault]

Yoooo i found it

Cant wait for loretubers to find it and make theories

[lone sable]

if fontaine doesnt have sandrone im confused how she will be placed in the story

[hasty narwhal]

Probably, at least it seems like everything that happens on the surface

[thorny crest]

then they would be watching from Focalors' eyes

and not Furina's

[hasty narwhal]

true so not the through the gnosis. Maybe it's an odin situation, they have spies everywhere 🕶️

maybe visions, don't remember who thought that getting a vision meant sealing yourself to fate

[mint harness]

This picture hurts

[shrewd merlin]

we will meet the rest of the Harbingers in Snezhnaya most likely. Aside from Capitano

maybe a surprise appearance from one in the late stages of Natlan AQ

[lone sable]

that would be REALLY weird

[shrewd merlin]

I mean... Does a reason for them to leave the homeland exist?

Tsaritsa has all but ONE gnosis now

I have faith that Capitano will bring it back alone. Just like Arlecchino did it almost entirely alone.

Childe most likely out of commission.

Arlecchino will most likely be playable soon.

and the other 2 no longer exist.

Signora got executed and Scaramouche got Irminsul'd

[livid quiver]

I love how Tartaglia just threw hands with a Whale for 40 days came back mocked Neuvillete and fell into the portal

Actually shows how truly strong Childe is when it comes to Battle stamina

[lapis solar]

Furina is just french jesus like both walk on water
Both sacrificed for the sins of people

[tawdry blade]

There are 2 situation

• they are unable to get the pyro gnosis, Capitano go back to Snezhaya as a promises for traveler winning. If gnosis is 3rd Descender body, perhaps we could use it somehow, Traveler never even once touch the gnosis so we don't know what would happen if Traveler did
• They got it however,when we arrived at Snezhaya they'll probably prepare for war against Celestia already. Cryo archon gemstone is her begging for help so it either they lost or the one above happened(mean she ask for the gnosis and our help at the same time)
  If that leak about skirk is true that only Capitano have the right to challenge her,and Traveler currently are equal to her. We have high chance of winning

[livid vault]

Capitano joins the tournament in natlan, the winner of which tournament gets to fight pyro archon for the gnosis authority. He solos pyro archon, becomes archon, gets the gnosis, gives it to tsaritsa

[rough agate]

Tournament arc

[fiery sparrow]

Just finished the story quest
It seems that Furina’s treated well after retired from position

And fontainians believed that she lost all her power on saving Fontaine

Am I right

[sacred dock]

Childe really said 🖕 to Neuvilette

like “SO HEY YOUR HONOR. I SAVED YOUR PEOPLE FROM THE WHALE. YOUR WELCOME.”

[cosmic mural]

Are Furina and Neuvi still friends after… all that?

[sacred dock]

While Furina wants to distance herself from Neuvilette, the latter is still concerned for her

[cosmic mural]

I mean they’ve basically had only really had each other for 500 years…

[sacred dock]

How far should i spoil you?

[cosmic mural]

I’ve already completed the archon quest

[sacred dock]

Story quest?

[cosmic mural]

Yea.

[sacred dock]

Then yeah i wanna say that Neuvilette and Furina still see each other as friends

Just that Furina is… you know, still processing her entire “wow im suddenly free. What now.”

[cosmic mural]

Although Furina doesn’t really have any authority over Neuvi anymore, unless if Neuvi still is okay with that

[sacred dock]

I think they reached that point where they see each other as equals

[stable dove]

I’m pretty sure the thumbs down was bc he beaten the whale thing😭

[fiery sparrow]

I believe that they’re still friends

They have been working together for 500 yrs

[teal snow]

Her story quest felt like the answer to that, I’m just a bit bummed the archon quest didn’t tie up the loose end with what happened to her

The AQ was otherwise insane tho

Definitely on a whole new level compared to the first 3 nations

HoYo upped their storytelling game in Sumeru

[simple hornet]

similar to scaramouche in the AQ part V

[simple hornet]

bro just dissapeared until later

[weary oriole]

The free 4.3 claymore is a cardboard sword made by the melusines i cant theyre too precious

[hasty narwhal]

BASED ON THE NUMBER YOU HELPED

LMAO

This sword is really a reward for people that take the time to do the world events

[weary oriole]

anybody played furinas story quest yet??

[teal snow]

huh, based on how many i've helped? idk how they're gonna implement that
like, are they gonna lock refinements based on how many you've helped?

looks like this is a good f2p wep for beidou

[true sedge]

Hot Take: Furina is the best written character, and the archon quest is best written region in the game

[ember knot]

Btw did we ever find out why childe’s hydro vision wasn’t working? Or we just attributing/assuming it was the narwhals doing… somehow

[untold rain]

yes because the archon quest didnt give me any closure for her

[true sedge]

Do we have any more Natlan theory's given the information that Nuevi gives us?

[ember knot]

Nothing except we dovah-kiin now

[weary oriole]

I think its 12% per refine? And yeah refines per melu u helped i think? Idk

[true sedge]

Natlan has so much potential to write the greatest gacha story ever told

[teal snow]

can agree, sumeru and fontaine AQ were on a whole new level compared to other regions

[true sedge]

Surely Natlan will have a riveting storyline with amazing characters, wrapped inside a culture that brings it all together

[true sedge]

I think Fontaine did it better than Sumeru

Sumeru was a step in the right from, Hot Take: The worst region storywise in Genshin, Inazuma

[teal snow]

inazuma just felt like a half assed "power of friendship" type beat

kokomi storyline was botched as hell

[true sedge]

Kokomi

I had no idea who she was

Or why she existed

I still don't

[weary oriole]

shell get a 2nd one, she has to

[teal snow]

her whole shtick about being a war general and overworked waifu is not even fitting

[true sedge]

They used Ei's cooking skills for inazuma

[weary oriole]

so furina isnt a archon anymore right, so shes a human?

[weary oriole]

She was always a human

[teal snow]

she was never an archon, she never had divinity ever since focalors split from her mortal vessel

[weary oriole]

She wasnt even a vision user

ah right

a focalors is dead now

[teal snow]

she didn't even have any residual elemental energy

focalors didn't give her any

yeah hydro archon is gone gone

[weary oriole]

Thats cold blooded by focalors

[teal snow]

she guillotined herself to give neuvi back his powers

[weary oriole]

She didnt even leave furina a vision

[true sedge]

I went into Fontaine with so many expectations, had them shattered, and then the one thing I wanted to happen (Furina dying), happened in such a way that I wish it didn't

Which is why Fontaine will probably be the best region

Storywise

It subverted expectations

[weary oriole]

The thing i like the most about fontaine is they brought back

Exploration weapons

Remember how dragonspine you found that free claymore

And spear

Just by exploring

[teal snow]

the whole swordfish ii thing and watatsumi army thing just felt wrong
shogun could easily squish them with her fingers

[weary oriole]

We didnt see that anywhere else except for fontaine now

With the hero sword

https://youtu.be/ZQHqUGkkQw0?si=pKjhvkUReb_vvsDO

I missed stuff like this

Exploring ruins and getting non primo stuff as rewards

[true sedge]

I only want primos

[weary oriole]

The last time they did this was the snow tombed claymore in dragonspine

[hasty narwhal]

She was an oceanid in human form before being an human

[atomic mirage]

hey, do you think you've already done the furina's inverted color palette?.. I wanted to see if they already did it lol

[fossil slate]

wait im genuinely curious by the fontaine prophecy || i mean if fontaine were to be flooded wouldnt the whole teyvat experience it too? i mean just considering how elevated fontaine actually is it would be shocking if regions like liyue didnt experience it ||

[lyric dove]

non-fontainians don't have original sin, what would be the point of drowning the entirety of teyvat?

the prophecy was only targeted towards Fontaine and its people

as for how Fontaine floods without flooding everywhere else.... its magic

[twilit harbor]

"Teyvat has its own laws" moment

Fontaine water is confirmed a non-Newtonian fluid

[twilit harbor]

play the story quest 👀

[weary oriole]

navias story quest isnt gonna be the same without melus and silver around

[lyric dove]

[weary oriole]

4.2 really said "lets hurt the gamers"

[sweet gyro]

imagine if they come back somehow lol

but I'm still confused why couldn't the people who dissolved already come back ?

I mean technically dissolving is just them returning to their oceanid forms no ?

[weary oriole]

well the prophecy has already been changed

[sweet gyro]

maybe once we get the line count for her sq we will find out

after all her story should have concluded already idk what's left, maybe spina de rosule history

[simple hornet]

it drags them into the hivemind of the primordial sea

its a sea of conciousness and wtv

oceanids themselves arent biologically made of the primordial sea

[lone sable]

https://youtu.be/kglEsR7bqAY?si=o4_wD0iNHl6goccG

I cried so hard man

[livid vault]

Only 1 remain

[atomic mirage]

I can't watch TikTok without crying

Only focalors and furina appear

[stable dove]

A lot of the archon quest is like a story quest for her imo

like we already know a lot about her backstory

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,last night I think about that too,Navia without Melus and silver feel weird

[weary oriole]

Im excited what chlorindes drip marketing will be

we havent heard of chlorindes

[tawdry blade]

It unfortunate even Neuvillette can't make a new Melus Silver

[weary oriole]

nobody can replace melus and silver

[lone sable]

https://youtu.be/jHjUHKdoaqI?si=NHKIl9h1o4FyrfPt

yeah no this is peak

[tardy dock]

Looks so sick.

[weary oriole]

the fact that it matches her too

[tardy dock]

Most will probably use it this was instead of the blue

the gold just looks too good

[tawdry blade]

I hope it gonna be traveler canon weapon for a while

[tardy dock]

You just know dull blade will still be in cutscenes xD

[tawdry blade]

Forget dull blade

[tardy dock]

🐐

[tardy dock]

Other form looks good too.

[livid vault]

Do we get both types?

Or we need to make a choice in quest

[tardy dock]

Both. It's the same sword, but you can change forms at an altar after the quest

[livid vault]

Ohhh okk so its like traveler element switching

[tardy dock]

yeah

[teal snow]

wait that wep is so cool i must obtain it

[icy dagger]

question did we ever see furina with white background smiling scene from trailer in the aq

[hasty narwhal]

Not in the AQ as far as I remember

we saw her crying on the throne, but not smiling

[clear oracle]

Ah, it all makes sense now

well, now to wait until natlan

[white peak]

i have question

has anyone done the tower quest in fontaine?

is tehre a way to bring it back up or is it permanently down?

[outer kraken]

How did you think of furina’s story quest ngl for me it feels outside traveler having a lot of jokes it focuses on what’s furina’s next step is and yes it may be bad after all the trauma she is “forced” to do stuff. Its her realizing she still loves to perform but this time she’s incharge

People on reddit saying it bad but i don’t think so

[hasty narwhal]

The bad part about that quest was Paimon

[outer kraken]

True

She was written to be a bit mean

Which kinda

Is sus

When

She acted fine with navia

[fiery sparrow]

ohmygod where is this from?

is it permanent?

[rough agate]

It's from narzissenkreuz quest

Permanent

[fiery sparrow]

omg that's so cool!!! can't wait to complete it

it looks awesome

[weary oriole]

Can someone explain to me how fontaine flooded when it was already elevated from the rest of teyvat

Youd think the waters wouldve fucked over liyue and mondstadt if the water level in the cutscene was to be believed

[outer kraken]

It wasn’t flooding it sank

[weary oriole]

I thought they were saying it was “rising sea levels”

[hasty narwhal]

No it was flooded since it said the water was receeding at the end, Neuvillette said it was because the whale drank up all the primordial sea and raised the water levels

[outer kraken]

It’s magic

[weary oriole]

Either we assume teyvat flooded or it was limited only to fontaine

Which meant they couldve just moved outside the border

[outer kraken]

Or fontaine sank ut actuallity

[weary oriole]

And be completely safe

[outer kraken]

And they just used those terms

Relative

[hasty narwhal]

I mean Fontaine is kind of on its own elevated space yeah

[outer kraken]

For fontaine they were flooded but un reality they sank

[hasty narwhal]

It didnt' sink, or if it did then all the islands around it did as well

which would have been more catastrophic

[weary oriole]

The more i sit on the story the dumber the flooding sounds

Even if we assume fontaine sank

They wouldve been safe on boats

[outer kraken]

True but’s it’s like an earthquake

You can’t sya when it gonna happen look at possion

In reality we can just assume in game scale not actual scale

So

[outer kraken]

The flooding could be only affecting fontaine

[weary oriole]

Another plot hole is how did navia and the others get on boats from inside the opera house

The cutscene just jumps to an already flooded fontaine

[hasty narwhal]

They were prepared

[weary oriole]

Exactly

[weary oriole]

Which is why this

[hasty narwhal]

They didn't have time to prepare for the whole city sadly

[outer kraken]

Cause of the possion only did they figure this out

[weary oriole]

Also why did celestia allow the oceanids to gain visions

[outer kraken]

Also if you didn’t dissolve you’ll probably just die on the boats

[weary oriole]

If they were sinful

[outer kraken]

Visions

Are still vague

Like why would you give dottore a vision

I thunk he has one

If visions are celestia’s surveillance cams

They it would make sense

[acoustic pagoda]

neuvi gave furina a vision

[hasty narwhal]

Visions are unconsciously given

they react to the will and wishes and archons don't deliberately give them

[outer kraken]

On the other note

Who else expected silver and melus to be revived

[hasty narwhal]

me

[outer kraken]

Props to them for not but man

[hasty narwhal]

honestly I expected all of them even the murder victims to come back

[outer kraken]

Same

[hasty narwhal]

but I guess it makes sense at this point they were completely merged into the water

still sad

[acoustic pagoda]

"Neuvillette does not need a Vision to manipulate the elements. However, there were some things he learned only after regaining his complete form:

Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other.

From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still.

Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them."

[weary oriole]

he too set aside parts of himself

Oh i know what part im claiming

[hasty narwhal]

I guess technically it goes along with narcissus WQ, because of the counsciousness merge he was doing idk can't be sure

[outer kraken]

Anyone excited for furina’s event next patch

[hasty narwhal]

maybe those who died before got all merged into one entity and that entity wouldn't be reborn

[weary oriole]

Im more excited for the melusine event

They make a cardboard claymore for us

[hasty narwhal]

it's so cute

I hope we see that melusine that had seymour again

she's been gone ever since

[outer kraken]

Well they turned to water actual water the oceanids forms are probably just left of consciousness

[weary oriole]

Melusines have surpassed the cabbage people for me

Theyre too adorable

[hasty narwhal]

True, also they can speak properly

😆

[weary oriole]

[hasty narwhal]

I need to finish those WQ I wanna get that missing page from the book

[outer kraken]

They didn’t waste 6 hrs of gameplay

So ye

I didn’t bother looking for the lost aranara

[dapper salmon]

Do u guys think furina powers after getting her vision is how her powers should be if she is still the hydro archon?

[hasty narwhal]

No they should weaker. But to be fair most archon playable don't have their gnosis power either. The difference with Furina imo is that since she's only the oceanid half of Focalors that was turned into a blood human, her nature is as basic as normal vision holder

But maybe she still had remains of a greater hydro power she gained from focalors and that'd be the plot of her second SQ?

[tawdry blade]

Something about her is that the trailer show her glowing hair , perhaps there is more to it

What if,3rd Descender is Lumine? And the gnosis is her remains. when we meet skirk again and know the truth,it would motivate us more to get the gnosis in Natlan for real this time

[outer kraken]

Lumine has been confirmed not to be a descender by nahida since she has records in irminsul however the nature of why she became a part of teyvat is a mystery

[lone sable]

I didn’t realize how similar their clothes and abilities are

What the actual fk

Skirk might be the key to everything

in relation to how the uknown god did what she did and why

Look at their arms they’re both stained

[tawdry blade]

How she be part of Teyvat is because she died

And reborn through abyss somehow,someone must do something with her

[tawdry blade]

Yeah no,it just slight similarity,she ain't nowhere close to unknown god

[atomic mirage]

Sincerely, I do not know

[mint harness]

I just noticed that Furina leaves an effect behind when she jumps like a dolphin

[bold pine]

That's Archon fart

[tawdry blade]

Her plunge attack on water also different too

[bold pine]

The two furinas
The healer one is divinity n the damage buffer is furina ?

[mint harness]

Yes

[bold pine]

When furina saw childe ,she was shocked is it because she saw through him? But wasn't she just a puppet

[mint harness]

In the beta party setup, Furina had an archon effect, they even removed the glowing hair, but even now the hair is constantly glowing

[tawdry blade]

Probably saving for her story quest 2

[mint harness]

I thought the same, maybe we'll even get the archon quest then, and everything changes, again

[sacred dock]

oh, so THAT'S how it was publicized now

[mint harness]

So that's why people still see her as an archon

[sacred dock]

Or more “retired archon”

[tawdry blade]

Ofc they still respect her, although some people didn't recognise her in her SQ somehow?

[sacred dock]

The only people who don’t are those from Poisson

[lapis solar]

Explain what dainsleif ment in teyvat chapter storyline preview in fontaine

[hasty narwhal]

What did he say?

[rapid niche]

when you pulled furina bcuz of archon collecting and then you finish 4.2 only to realize she's not an archon SCREAMS

[last badge]

Ok this is funny

[ember beacon]

||I have finished the new archon quests, why the fuck is furina still defending her archon even when she's been asked by a complete outsider? A COMPLETE OUTSIDER. (My traveler is aether) he's from out of teyvat, surely furina can tell her secrets to him? But no, she is still avoiding telling the traveler her secret||

[ember beacon]

||He even fought with the heavenly principle (if that's really her), he has something to do with the heavenly principle, but focalor decided to integrate the promise that she makes with furina and fear of being known or exposed as a fake archon.||

If you want to have an opinion on my sayings, please tag me so i know someone has responded to my comments

[lapis solar]

" The God of Justice lives for the spectacle of the courtroom, seeking to judge all other gods.
But even she knows not to make an enemy of the divine."

[strange oxide]

any answers why did the oceanids like rhodeia hated focalors? or was it furina they hated?

[paper furnace]

||is this the last archon quest?||

[stable dove]

For Fontaine yes

[paper furnace]

||oh wow that was short, but it got a lot done !! so im guessing were going to natlan sooner?||

[stable dove]

Sadly no..we’re still getting it next year

[simple hornet]

4.0 cycle goes up to 4.8 so....you gotta wait a bit

we'll get an interlude and Dain quest in the meantime at least

[granite panther]

Can someone tell me what happens at the end

Spoilers ||who is the new archon??||

[paper furnace]

DAIN ‼️🗣️

[stable dove]

There technically isn’t an archon anymore but i think some of the citizens still view her as one.

People keep saying it’s neuvilette but he’s not. He is fully the hydro sovereign now not archon.

[granite panther]

he only took the role, right?

[paper furnace]

isnt khaenri'ah a nation w/o a god/archon? ||does this mean its the same for fontaine now too?||

[granite panther]

not as in archon persay, but as leader?

[stable dove]

Yeah

Like Ningguang kinda

[granite panther]

i see

except the archon isnt there anymore

[stable dove]

Uh kinda yeah

[stable dove]

Yep

[granite panther]

ty ty

[stable dove]

But I think Focalors didn’t tell furina about the plan so celestia wouldn’t be awakened or smth. So Fontaine definitely won’t end up like khaenriah

[paper furnace]

ok good but it would be so interesting if it took that twist

[signal mirage]

So Hexen has an influence of celestial matters

since that creature is pet of one of theirs

and for sure they handle multiversal matters

[stoic cypress]

||from what i understood she just did not want to take that chance coz then all her hardwork wouldve gone to waste||

[hasty narwhal]

why are spoiler tags in the spoiler channel

[mint harness]

I think Celestia will "work" now that Neuvillette has gained full power

And for Natlan, my theory is that the Pyro dragon, who is also in humanoid form together between humans and dragons, will kill the Pyro archon to regain his full power, but she will be "resurrected" so that resurrection concept will be fulfilled

[atomic mirage]

Is it the ambient lighting or is it actually shining?

Her hair is so light that you can't see if it shines or not.

[carmine vine]

what element did you use to fight narzissenkruez

[atomic mirage]

I'm at the beginning of mass

[atomic mirage]

[ember beacon]

I would always hold furina accountable for the poisson incident, if she just told her secret earlier, those people can be saved

For vacher incident, it's not furina's fault

[atomic mirage]

She couldn't tell, otherwise Celestia would suspect

Because of the prophecy

All the work of focalors would be in vain

[ember beacon]

Dude, if focalors really loves her people, she should have saved those who could be saved from the poisson incident, just make an exception for this once

[atomic mirage]

She wanted to save everyone, not just leave those she couldn't save, she wanted to save the entire nation

[ember beacon]

And all of this is because surtalogi "pet" that goes rampage

[ember beacon]

She still left those in poisson to be dead, silver and melus... is just a offscreen fodder

They don't even get an honor death that they should be getting

[lone sable]

kinda sad i was wrong abt this not being a rocket

i was so convinced

[livid vault]

💀😭😭

I never have this thought but now that i see it

Makes sense

[ember beacon]

I just started furina's story quest, i just hope she feels guilty for keeping a secret about the prophecy, one of the people who dissolves is someone who was inspired by furina to make a theatrical troupe

[lone sable]

?

that makes no sense

[ember beacon]

Furina could save her by telling neuvillette the secret years ago, but instead just kept putting a facade

[atomic mirage]

Bro, she didn't want to do what she did, that has already been explained, it was torturous for her to act for 500 years 182k days

[lone sable]

you realize it had to go on for that long

so the oratrice could gain enough power to dethrone the hydro archon right

[ember beacon]

Furina should've put herself first, but no, she just kept defending her archon, even though torturing her in the process (ok i retract what i said about furina's story quest)

[lone sable]

if she didn'

everyone would die

[limber nest]

I liked aq but I'm realizing I don't understand it
What was the "trick"?

[ember beacon]

The majority of power used by oratrice goes to the execution, how is it taking 500 years if the majority goes to the execution?

[lone sable]

what

i guess because it takes a lot of power to you know

defy celestia and overthrow a literal seat of the gods?

[ember beacon]

Majority and it still needs 500 years...

Let's just end the argument now, i don't want you guys to spend your energy for my opinion (in a good way i mean)

[lone sable]

i mean its not an overnight job to do what focalors tried to do

The whole point of the quest was so that when it was time for furina to be exposed, the power accumilated by the time it happens would be enough to not only destroy the oratrice but also the archon inside it as well as the entire role as a whole in order for neuv to gain ancient authority and declare the "sinners" not guilty so when the prophecy is fullfilled, no one is dissolved

since ancient dragon authority > archons

I guess

[limber nest]

So like
Focalors, with his authority, could not have done what Neuvy did?

[lone sable]

I guess not

[limber nest]

I guess that makes sense actually

Egeria tried her best and failed

[lone sable]

im not sure how it works but since it defies celestia and the ancient dragons power was technically stolen

i guess that might have to do with why archons couldnt

[limber nest]

... But i guess I don't understand why she had to trick them, or what the trick was

Couldn't she have gathered power while sitting on the throne? I'm guessing not but I don't understand why

[stable dove]

No. Dragon sovereigns have absolute control over their elements. The archons only have an ounce of that power basically, that’s why when Focalors died that power returned to neuvilette

[lone sable]

idr remember

but i assume she would have explained it

it was like a whole 15 minute dialogue i prob missed it

I forgot why she split

[stable dove]

[limber nest]

Are the gnoses and authority separate? I was under the impression they were the same. Or is the whole third descender thing telling us that the gnoses have nothing to do with the dragons?

[stable dove]

Actually i don’t really know..

I would assume they aren’t separate tho

[limber nest]

Hoyo make things clearer we get black screen explanations for "that was a metaphor" but not for lore

[stable dove]

Exactly..it’s kinda annoying

[lone sable]

furina got some mad rizz inviting us to dance in the teapot

actually i think

focalors decieved celestia by storing everything in the oratrice

it was like she said, she did everything in the shadows

she openly explained how she was going to overthrow celestia in her little machine world

[hasty narwhal]

Think of it as Neuvi had 70% of his authoriy, the gnosis possess 30% to have full control over primordial he needs 100%
with 30% Focalors and Egaria couldn't give out blood to their people.
Neuvi couldn't control the primordial sea.
So it made more sense for Focalors to give back her authority

[lone sable]

the gnosis is dead after the quest too

[clear oracle]

I feel sorry for furina

[hasty narwhal]

No it just doesn't have the authority in it, it just has the remains

[clear oracle]

at least now it makes sense why she has oceanid relation skills

and at least it explains where her vision came from

[lone sable]

it has remains but other than that its just a chess piece now

ig the tsaritsa knows what to do with the remains

she might try reforming the third descender even

[limber nest]

Oh
Wait yeah what
Gnosis has authority in it right? But she returned that to neuvy? But he gave it away
So he does or does not have that 30%? I was under the impression it still has power

[clear oracle]

I was thinking neurv became the new hydro archon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

😂 but they still call him the dragon

so idk anymore

[limber nest]

No, hydro archon doesn't exist

[hasty narwhal]

That's why there's two ways: either Neuvi took the authority from the gnosis because he's the original holder of it
Or the authority isn't in the gnosis, but in the seat of the archon that focalors destroyed

[limber nest]

No throne anymore

[lone sable]

its not a thing anymore

neuv will never be the hydro archon in any capacity

[clear oracle]

yea, that's something else I remembered it saying

so that immediately broke any of my thoughts lol

[limber nest]

But to be clear
If Focalors tried to collect energy for 500 years in the open, celestia would have stopped her?

[lone sable]

maybe?

[limber nest]

Or was it more about the prophecy

I'm not sure what she was trying to trick them with. Just a lot of lines like "don't worry, she tricked them" like uh

[lone sable]

i have no idea since the tsaritsa is openly stealing the gnosis but apparently thats not enough to get celestia to rain down hell

[limber nest]

Right?

[lone sable]

but again since it was in the oratrice and literally no one knew about the secret

that worked i guess

[limber nest]

Plus the warning neuvy got about holding the gnosis bringing trouble. Like ok maybe it's different if it's him because yae been holding a gnosis for a long time

[ember beacon]

Can we determine how long the traveler travels teyvat by using furina's theatrical performance introduction? Yk, the 182k days

[hasty narwhal]

they would have stopped her, it's what Mage N said by "prophecies are the future gods can see, but prochecies cannot contain elements away from the eyes of gods, which is why she hid

[lone sable]

oh yeah i forgot about n

[ember beacon]

The ones we are playing, not the abyss one

Is the song furina singing in her story quest chinese?

[elfin hedge]

Okey, who caused the flood of Fontaine, Celestia or the Whale?

[hasty narwhal]

The whale celestia predicted, so in a way both

[ember beacon]

Hello guys?

[ember beacon]

This one too

[lone sable]

wtf

[ember beacon]

Neuvillette using his power

[lone sable]

ok so the narizzenkreuz is literally a cult

like scientology

[rough agate]

Wasn't it clear before

[lone sable]

not rly i thought it was just involving like 5-10 people

as in like the whole of the lore

i thought the actual order had like

two people

[rough agate]

Rene kinda made Jakob perform "tricks" and show those vision like the one in book of esoteric revelations to recruit people to it

And showing caterpillar getting sentience

Nah it has a bunch of people. They had grunts to scout out the location for the four orthants

Rene even had people to send Carter's sample to Sumeru for them to come up with a cure

But welp we know how that turned out. I like to believe Rene was able to save Carter in the end and made him into caterpillar.

[tawdry blade]

What if Venti talking about The Pyro Archon giving us power is actually us getting pyro sovereign authority?

[sweet gyro]

the traveler doesn't need authority over the element to wield it probably cuz he's a descender

probably same thing went for the 3rd

[sweet gyro]

but If u mean like a power up I believe the element authority belongs to the dragon so they're either sealed inside the gnosis to be used by the archon or given to the sovereign

but who knows

[stable dove]

It’s French

[stable dove]

Uhh

[noble vector]

about to send it in the other channel lmao

[stable dove]

Skirk’s master is a women I’m pretty sure

[noble vector]

What gives you that idea

[stable dove]

Isn’t rhinedotter in that group of witches (I forgot the name)

[noble vector]

Rhinedottir is not skirk's master

Different person

[stable dove]

Yeah she is..skirk said that one of her other names

[noble vector]

They never said their master is in the hexenzirkel

No she's not

Skirk master =/= the visionary, Vedrfolnir =/= Rhinedottir

3 different people

[stable dove]

Here

[noble vector]

She literally called "him"

[stable dove]

Wait wha

[noble vector]

This is just clickbait lmao

[stable dove]

Oh ig i interpreted it wrong

[noble vector]

This is just

purely wrong

Anywaays i'm moving the question to the other channel

[stable dove]

Wait im confused..if skirk said rhinedottir is one of the names for her master then how are they different people

[noble vector]

it's not one of her master's names

She's comparing her master to other people that the traveler might know

[stable dove]

Ohh okay

[rough agate]

Rhinedottir, vedrfolnir and surtalogi are people who are working to "achieve some sort of perfection"
So you can think of them as people of equal importance

[stable dove]

Interesting

[tawdry blade]

Didn't know aether can speak French

[tawdry blade]

So in the end,Furina fate is still end up at the Opera. Wondering what her act 2 gonna bring us

[errant swallow]

If neuvillete gained complete dragonhood after gaining gnoses and used that to convert all pseudohumans into actual humans.... wouldnt he just lose the powers if he gave away the gnoses?
Now that he doesnt have gnoses it means that he also doesnt have full elemental authority right?

[sweet gyro]

the gnosis has the dragonhood authority sealed inside of it he already took it

[thorny crest]

the authority is not within the gnosis

[sweet gyro]

what the hydro gnosis represents now is just an empty vassal, remains of the 3rd descender

[sweet gyro]

that too

I forgot it's part of the divine throne not the gnosis lol

now that makes me think will xbalangue gain his dragonhood too

[rough agate]

I'm thinking xbalanque could just be one of the evolved dragon people rather than the sovereign since sovereigns are referred by "they"
It makes sense for a dragon to know about the sovereigns

[sweet gyro]

I mean so far we have no confirmation but he introduced neuvillette the hydro sovereign so maybe

[strange oxide]

How lomg is the 4.2 narsizzenkreuz quest

[rough agate]

Took me like 4 hours

[karmic oasis]

So apparently the archon quest was supposed to be different and I'm so upset

There's also a reason why traveler was insensitive/disgusting during the aq

It was unintentional, team forgetting to change lines from the old outline and I'm 😭 the og outline actually made more sense

If anyone wants to know how it was originally, I can dm you the translated version my friend did because the post was in Mandarin and I'm not sure if it's allowed here

[livid vault]

Yes pls

I also kinda hated the traveler in this aq

[karmic oasis]

Alralr

I would love to discuss it honestly

Since I feel, giving back the power to neuv SHOULDVE woke celestia up, but now it didn't it just feels like a plot hole

Especially since the divine throne was destroyed

My friend discussed it with her friends, ||and they said the new story was more "impactful" because the divine throne was destroyed, but there's a lot of other things that should've been discussed before the new team decided to change the story, since now there's a big plot hole after the story was changed||

[icy dagger]

there seems like so many plot holes in general or just unanswered questions (maybe interlude will salvage)

[karmic oasis]

There's so much

The og story made so much more sense

[icy dagger]

i honestly cant stop wishing it was the old fontaine plotline instead of current one (i really like the old one)

[karmic oasis]

How is furina still alive without focalors giving furina her powers?

Didn't focalors say "Furina is alive as long as I'm alive"

Why didn't celestia move after the divine throne was destroyed?

[icy dagger]

also did neuvi ever actually meet focalors? she says as soon as she became archon she split but then also needs time to build oratrice and was thinking abt how to stop prophecy

[icy dagger]

i swear thats the biggest one its like nahidas words mean nothing now..

[karmic oasis]

EXACTLY

[icy dagger]

unless they care more about gnosis than the authority/thrones for some reason

[karmic oasis]

I'm so peeved over the changes the new team made 😭

[tawdry blade]

That mean her immortality

Furina is immortal/can't die as long as she is alive

[karmic oasis]

Furina's outcome was completely different in the og story, I think it would've been better if they kept it but added a bit more from the new story

Make it make sense

[icy dagger]

do u mean foca turn to vision or she ascend to godhood

[tawdry blade]

Furina is still tied to her fate,which show in her story quest

Kinda like scaramouche,he doesn't want to know the past,furina case is she doesn't want to appear on stage anymore and here we are

[icy dagger]

also that one rene note about visions meaning ur prisoner to fate if you have one or whatever it said? idk if it still applies since neuvi gave it

[tawdry blade]

I don't think Celestia is that easy to trick

[tawdry blade]

That just his opinion

[icy dagger]

oh ok

[karmic oasis]

Ousia Furina (human) had her vision since the beginning, Pneuma Furina (divine) had the archon powers

[tawdry blade]

Even without vision, people fate are still there

[karmic oasis]

So Pneuma furina giving Ousia Furina her powers would've meant Furina would've been the first human turned archon in the game

And would've explained why she had both alignments

[icy dagger]

oh wait thats how nahida knew focalors make final verdict in trials/was in the oratrice because irmensil..

[karmic oasis]

This also would be how she gains her freedom

[icy dagger]

how would getting powers be freedom

[karmic oasis]

I meant the trial

[icy dagger]

actually just my opinion but furinas freedom feels so forced

oh

[karmic oasis]

Focalors would've sacrificed her life fighting the whale

And gave furina her powers

Ascending her to godhood

Basically

[karmic oasis]

Her new arrangement also feels more vulnerable

[icy dagger]

random but it annoys me how the whale was just turned into some unserious little pet at the end

[karmic oasis]

It wasn't supposed to be a pet

I'm so annoyed abt that

[icy dagger]

well not per but just however skirk was describing it like it didnt just cause the propheyc

[karmic oasis]

And the traveler's line "Atleast you're free now" was actually supposed to be for god turned furina

[sweet gyro]

yeah more like it's weak compared to it's creator

[icy dagger]

ngl im worried theres not much more for her character because 4.6 was leaked to be arle patch and normally archons can get more story and stuff with that and the weekly boss2

[karmic oasis]

God 😭

This entire thing just created more questions than answers

[sweet gyro]

Fontaine is the opposite of sumeru in which we got the harbinger fight first then a creature related to the archon in their 2nd story quest

so far there are no story leaks to 4.6 just that arlecchino will get her boss fight

and if there is they're made up for clout don't trust them

[icy dagger]

leakers dont say anything specific just that its pretty much her character patch (makes sense since she seems to release 4.6 and sq)

[sweet gyro]

I mean wanderer got his boss fight 1 patch before his release

but arlecchino case is weird atm

[icy dagger]

the whale isnt even that related to furina (wait now im thinking of the leak where she was the one that fought it 😭)

[sweet gyro]

which is why I said don't trust anything

[icy dagger]

fair but either way still dont think furinas gonna get much more

[sweet gyro]

yeah it was another made up leak after all, the whale was related to Fontaine's main problem

[icy dagger]

decent amount of people say it wasnt fake leak but from fontaine scrapped plot (maybe she didnt fight whale but maybe sacrifice)

[sweet gyro]

practically in game she still represents the archon but I can't really disagree either as there's not much to tell

[sweet gyro]

I remember it was abt focalors merging with the whale and sacrificing herself that way

that was the leak lol

[karmic oasis]

Am I allowed to send the og outline in here or is it considered a leak?

Since it's basically a scrapped story already

[icy dagger]

WAIT SHE MERGED WITH IT 😨

[sweet gyro]

??

[icy dagger]

its story spoilers anyways whats stopping you

[icy dagger]

no i just heard she like died fighting it or jumped in the sea

[karmic oasis]

Getting a warning from mods 😭

I am a law abiding citizen I swear

[icy dagger]

reminds me of that one person in adventure time who merge with that chaos thing

[karmic oasis]

It's also a wall of text

[icy dagger]

spoiler tag then send it also whats one little warning gonna do some people got like 9 they run out eventually

[sweet gyro]

hol on do u mean the one that got leaked abt a week before release?

[karmic oasis]

Well not rlly it's bullet points

[karmic oasis]

Was it?

[icy dagger]

can you send some of the text

maybe not all

[karmic oasis]

Alralr

[sweet gyro]

idk I didn't see what u mean

[karmic oasis]

basically alot of the lore leaked abt 4.2 was true.

1. The genshin team has changed to a new team. the old team has alot of rough outlines for the plot. up to 3.2 the story was based on their plans, after which it was over to the new teams. Hence, stories after 3.2 can be thought of as "no longer genshin"

[icy dagger]

wait was it from that uncle zero person

WAIT CAN U DM OR SEND THE WHOLE TJING I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PROPER TRANSLATION FOR IT PLS

[karmic oasis]

This guy?

[icy dagger]

ye

[karmic oasis]

I'll try and send it here but I'm afraid of mods JAJSJDHDBHDJSJF

Some parts will be spoiler tagged

[sweet gyro]

just send it for a min with spoiler tag then delete it

[icy dagger]

dw they have nothing to warn you about

[karmic oasis]

Ye my friend translated it for me

[icy dagger]

Oh nice

[karmic oasis]

WAHAHHA

It got wiped

[sweet gyro]

wdym

[karmic oasis]

IS IT THERE?

[icy dagger]

did it get delete

[sweet gyro]

nope

[karmic oasis]

IT GOT WIPED IN MY SCREEN AKAJSJD

[mint harness]

This is a spoiler channel, there is no reason for a spoiler tag or deletion

[karmic oasis]

basically alot of the lore leaked abt 4.2 was true.

1. The genshin team has changed to a new team. the old team has alot of rough outlines for the plot. up to 3.2 the story was based on their plans, after which it was over to the new teams. Hence, stories after 3.2 can be thought of as "no longer genshin"

[sweet gyro]

it got deleted again

[icy dagger]

AYO WHYD IT GET DELETED

[thorny crest]

immortal while she was alive

[karmic oasis]

IS IT THE SPOILER TAG

[icy dagger]

Maybe send a screenshot

[karmic oasis]

Sobs

[thorny crest]

there might be a banned word

[karmic oasis]

Alr

[thorny crest]

i dont think messages would get deleted because of spoiler tags

[sweet gyro]

wait amma test smth

[icy dagger]

oh if thats case delete it after like a minute or smthing

[rough agate]

I don't think spoiler tag is needed in this channel

[thorny crest]

no

banned words are automatically deleted

[rough agate]

Yeah it's probably the case with that

[karmic oasis]

Help it's because of this 😭

[rough agate]

You have 4 words that triggered the censor?

[icy dagger]

WAIT 4 WARNINGS 😭

[icy dagger]

maybe prev ones

[rough agate]

Oh 4 warnings

[karmic oasis]

what words 😭

[mint harness]

Send a screenshot

[karmic oasis]

OH IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE UNALIVE WORD

[sweet gyro]

I wonder what the banned words are

[thorny crest]

dont send a screenshot

thats equal to bypassing the filter

[icy dagger]

wait do u know what word was the banned one

[karmic oasis]

Commit probably?

[thorny crest]

no

[thorny crest]

this is definitely it

[rough agate]

Commit unalive

[karmic oasis]

I'll reword it to sacrifice

[icy dagger]

be careful if any other text has it

[karmic oasis]

2. For Fontaine's AQ, it has definitely been changed before. Currently, it is ||Focalors confessing her plans then handing over her powers to the primordial hydro dragon, so that he can handle the crisis||. However, the spotlight should have been given to Focalors. Parts of the original story is still there; ||Furina being a normal human being, Focalors separating her divinity||. In the outline, Focalors was training for the 500 years, and she uses the energy to fight the whale, while the others (Neuvi, Childe, MC) support her. In the end, Focalors dies/unalives and gives over her powers to Furina. Furina was supposed to be the first "mortal turned archon" character which players are supposed to meet. Fontaine's Reputation namecard [a badge for the new archon of Fontaine] should be for her (i.e. with regards to her becoming an archon). But it did not turn out this way.

IT WAS THE UNALIVE WORD

[icy dagger]

wouldve been interesting if furina was 3rd gen hydro archon (also maybe three thrones symbolised this)

[karmic oasis]

.

If you still dont believe me, then let me tell you, Furina's Character quest was originally some daily life quests. After acting as the archon for 500 years, she would definitely step fown for a while, and MC will teach her how to use her vision.
let me tell you something ironic. In the old story quest, Furina was playing with her vision in the office and ended up sumberging(?) the office (basically filled it with water). The melusines went in to clean, and when the Traveller learns about it they went to tease her about it. However the new team never bothered to change it, because they couldn't think of anything new, so they changed it to Furina drenching her apartment and getting chased out. Its supposed to be a normal kind of plot, but the new team inserted it in without changing it (to disgust you). I (the uncle) am guessing that the macaroni was also put in anyhow.

in the original outline, the traveller did put Furina on trial. However, in the end, Furina obtains freedom, because she became the third Archon, and is a real archon now, without any need to put on an act. She would only need to let others handle official matters and live how she wants to live.
I'm sure everyone noticed that the traveller's impression on players in this chapter was bad. Its because the new team never bothered to change their dialogue "At least you are free now", which is why they sound so disgusting, because its supposed to be said to furina after she becomes an archon. Or they never realised that it would have such a large impact

[sweet gyro]

the archon thrones is missing in this story+ here the main cause of the prophecy is the whale I assume ?

[icy dagger]

they did mention something about deagon authority being new

[thorny crest]

why would mc teach her how to use a vision

[karmic oasis]

I would assume so, or it would've been a different case

[icy dagger]

maybe meant elemental powers

[sweet gyro]

if focalors did give neuvillette his dragon authority back she would still need to sacrifice herself

[mint harness]

Then that could be the reason why they removed hair glow in beta and effect in party setup, so the story was different

[sweet gyro]

their dragonhood authority is sealed to become archon thrones in celestia