・genshin-spoilers

[pure basin]

is fatui are good guys now?

[true sluice]

GRAFIX

[pure basin]

[leaden burrow]

Depends on your perspective.

Though it at least only shows that Suit Lady has a kind intention as her priority.

Well, her first one, that is.

[ionic shuttle]

we still don't know

their methods are ass but their motive is probably good

but goddamn act 2 was literally 90% navia

[true sluice]

lmfao this frog 1984ing the duck was a better joke than everything cyno could tell

[livid vault]

Bro this shit out of bound

[untold fossil]

FUCK YEAH MORE TAYLOR SWIFT

[broken sluice]

best act 1 and 2, NGL

[untold fossil]

what is lyney implying though

when he was talking ab what happened to lynette

like

im thinking ab something that’s like hella dark

esp for genshin standards

[final chasm]

fontaine 4.4 leaked

(real)

[smoky stag]

I noticed something interesting

The Fontaine statue of the seven appears to be different than the rest of the statues

[broken sluice]

bro

[ionic shuttle]

i'm still laughing at how neuvillette clocked childe like 😭😭

bro got hard humbled

[sharp steppe]

So Furina is useless brat and that's his much we see of her in two archon quests tbh. Judge is like hydro, more alive zhongli and Childe is in jail. It was a rollercoaster.

Time for jailbreak episode in 1,5 month

[hollow berry]

did he just kill someone

[broken sluice]

just continue, the discovery to truth is very fun

[strange oxide]

Has anyone completed both AQ? Is the act 2 as long as act1 ?

[broken sluice]

act 2 shorter

[strange oxide]

Significantly shorter or just a bit?

[broken sluice]

a bit

[strange oxide]

Thanks!

What your playtime with it?

Act 1 took me 5 hrs

[broken sluice]

eh, thats long

[broken sluice]

if thats ur rate, then your act 2 will be 4 hours

[strange oxide]

Thanks!

[tawdry blade]

Gebshin standard? Wdym

[hollow hull]

SHE STRAIGHT UP SHOWS UP LMAO NO WAYYY

this story gonna be lit

she just like Fischl no way

also funny how nobody takes her seriously like shes just entertainment for them

OMG THE HYDRO ARCHON IS A VTUBER NO SHOT

hold up..

something aint right

its a f ing setup

[silent lantern]

i wanna know what that is and which quest it's from

[broken sluice]

ancient colors: act 3

[silent lantern]

ok

[leaden burrow]

||No.||

That’s the TLDR answer.

[tawdry blade]

11 pm to 8 pm message

[hollow hull]

oh no not a hotel.. i have a really bad feeling about this.. star rail taught me not to trust hotels

[hollow hull]

i was right

they spiked our drink

[mellow burrow]

me omw to cause problems on purpose

[rain finch]

in the carribert archon quest, who was the voice speaking to the traveller inside that domain? if anyone knows

the sinner or him

something like that

[outer panther]

No one can say for sure save dainslef who did not tell us

[rain finch]

it sounded a bit like kaeya for me ngl

[wary parrot]

Remember when genshin was all sunshine and rainbows

In mondstadt

[ember knot]

damn bro neuvillete ||really interrupted childe mid power up sequence. thats against the rules||

[wary parrot]

now it’s child trafficking

ahahaha

[signal mirage]

saw a ghost there ig

that lil girl

[mellow burrow]

i have one. ONE. waypoint left to unlock and idk WHERE IT IS

[hollow hull]

ok so i finished the story

but

is that it?

thats all?

nothing else?

and now we have to wait another year?

or will they release more fontaine archon quest later?

like i know that speaking to neuvilette instead of focalors would have been the same as speaking with focalors but

dont get me wrong i had fun

its just

is that really it? is the fontaine archon quest over?

[opaque lark]

They will

There's like 3 more acts

[hollow hull]

oh thank god

[opaque lark]

They said it in the live stream if I remember correctly

[hollow hull]

also quick theory, we come back to fontaine after this and everyone is dissolved and we have to bring them back, but hey thats just a theory

A GAME THEORY

[opaque lark]

Yeah that part felt like the ending where you talk to the archon, I get the confusion

[hollow hull]

but tbh imo what happened after the last trial was over was kind of foreshadowing for that with the rain and all

[hollow hull]

i know right!!!

[opaque lark]

Yeah but all that's happening with Childe

His vision etc etc

[hollow hull]

anyways we probably will help out the archon save fontaine from a major chrisis and she will be indetbted to us and she will send out people to look for my sibling i just know it

[hollow hull]

yeah but we have his vision he couldnt have caused the rain

WAIT

WAIT A MINUTE

SO THATS WHY THE MACHINE THINGY SAID HE WAS GUILTY

omfg

ahhhhh i cant wait now for the next act in the story!

[opaque lark]

Maybe bc he fell Into the abyss ? Idk

[hollow hull]

no no

i mean that too but thats unrelated to fontaine

remember how he couldnt control his powers?

and sure if you take someones vision away they cant use the elemental energy associated with their vision but he gave it to us

and we only have records of normal people having their visions taken away

by all means childe is not a normal person and i dont mean his status

i half mean his strength

what if

you know

what if he can use the vision's powers without having it on him

what if the concept of not having a vision depends on the individual

like

if he considers that umm idk how to explain this in words

but you get what i mean, right?

this could be huge

alright then

anyways

when does the next act come out?

[outer panther]

4.1

[hollow hull]

so like next month?

amazing

[opaque lark]

yeah but I mean like, why did his vision stop working ?

[opaque lark]

more like in early October

[hollow hull]

well most sensible thing to say is probably cuz of the delusion

you know how delusions have a bad rep in similar regards

it would be no surprise if delusions could interfere with visions

[opaque lark]

hmm true, he's the only character alive with a delusion i think ? So if it only happened to him it could be related to it

[hollow hull]

well

Diluc has one but he's only used it like once i guess

so we cant really use him as a reference

what we know so far is that prolonged use kills people by consuming their lifesan and that they're products of alchemy

also i think they use like abyss energy right?

and for sure abyss and celestia are incompatible

so it would make sense for them to start interfering with each other eventually

and not only that

childe is special

in the sense that he spent a really long time in the abyss

and spending a long time in the abyss doesn't make you compatible to it

it's a birth thing, considering what happened so far

it being a birth thing is still a theory but in my mind it still makes sense

[opaque lark]

can't really remember tbh

[opaque lark]

true true

[hollow hull]

also what i cant wrap my head around is that he got his vision while inside the abyss

[opaque lark]

but I wonder, how does one just fall in the abyss though ?

[hollow hull]

you don't think..

he was thrown in there?

and made it seem like an accident

but now that you mention it

it could be that capitano threw him there

albeit idirectly

maybe the fatui knew

that there was something about him

[opaque lark]

Why capitano in particulzr ?

[hollow hull]

and the theories on capitano is that he can also take in the abyss

so maybe skirk and capitano can be the same person

would explain why he could never find skirk again but

thats still a long shot on my part

[opaque lark]

Idk, feel like he would've recognized capitano then , since they're both harbingers

[hollow hull]

not sure if it was ahikai or aster but they said that one pierro is from khaneriah and two capitano was like sorta friends with pierro from a really long time ago like REALLY LONG TIME AGO and referenced a legend of a dark knight or something

[hollow hull]

well the thing is childe after coming out of the abyss was on really good terms with capitano like sparring and all that and even tho he can use elemental sight like any vision holder i dont think he

wait u have a point

i guess capitano couldnt be skirk after all not only because they're fighting styles would be different but it could be that capitano could have used different fighting styles between the 2 events

but still it wouldnt make sense because skirk would have abyssal energy signature and capitano would either not have any or just have his vision

but if he did have abyssal energy stuff he could probably conceal it because abyss is weird like that but thats just speculation

unfortunately we dont have any actual proof, only thing we can do is trust what people say

and as proven by the irminsul thats very unreliable

on an unrelated not, yesterday ashikai talked about more irminsul a little and how it could have been a thing similar to project stigma from honkai but now that fontaine came out and we got that lore on primordial water... i guess shes not far from the truth, still, i hope she will make a video about primordial water

and why it only works on people from fontaine

anyways

ill see you when new story comes out

cheers

[opaque lark]

yeah didnt they talk about some artifact sets too

bloodstained knight

[hollow hull]

yes that one

[opaque lark]

but the most likely thing is that Skirk is just a separate character

[opaque lark]

yeah I saw it

[hollow hull]

i think so too

[weary oriole]

will childe die soon? knowing he doesn't uses his vision anymore

we all know that childe is a human that's why he's affected by the abyss and not scaramouche who's a puppet

and we all know that every human who often uses their delusion dies easily

he always seems to show weakness after using his foul legacy form either

[azure patrol]

..

what happened here??

[tawdry blade]

He awake something inside him

That thing probably avoid it

[harsh mason]

BRO JUST ENDED CHILDE WITH ONE SLAP??

tbh this is why he’s 11th of the 9

[arctic cedar]

wait

why is neuvillette crying

T_T

someone spoil me

[harsh mason]

hes the hydro dragon

and he is sad

[arctic cedar]

why is he sad

[tawdry blade]

Because he has emotion

Would you feel sad if the person you like(not love lmao) are accused of a crime?

[broken sluice]

yeah, its like, he doesnt want to show it, but it manifests into a rainfall

[strange oxide]

what quest is the aranara of fontaine

so i can avoid it

[fossil slate]

ive been looking for this fr

but i want to complete it

[summer locust]

At this rate.... The traveler can just stop asking question about the sibing n enjoy the scenery in teyvat and yet get into other nation problems....

[fading otter]

the elynas quest

but its nowhere near as tedious

just finished it in 1 day

[tawdry blade]

Yup the quest also very interesting

Since it tell us alot more about the abyss

Like the difference between abyss and abyss order

[mellow schooner]

I feel like the melusine one
Just started
But feels like it

Melusine surrounded by some mercs

Dont remember the location

[tawdry blade]

Elysnas

[fossil slate]

where can i unlock it

[strange oxide]

Is that the one that starts with the painting

In the beryl region

[fossil slate]

yeah i think its the ancient colours quest

and theres another one which you save the princess with some mini oceanid pet

[mental violet]

Is it okay to not have all of the clues when it's telling you to wait for the trial???? Cause I don't have the 9th opera house clue and I only have one tunnel clue and I'm very confused

The Fontaine archon quest is so cool but also very confusing, atleast to me

[grand atlas]

How the fuck is Paimon talking underwater?

[weary oriole]

she literally said she wouldnt come underwater just to come underwater with us 💀

also could someone explain how childe used foul legacy

he only had his delusion, how did he use it if he also needs his vision?

still in our inventory 💀

[sinful sage]

You don’t need a vision to use a delusion

[weary oriole]

yeah but foul legacy is him using both at the same time

he was activating it before neuvillette sat on him

[sinful sage]

I think having a vision nullifies any negative effects, I don’t remember. But you don’t need the vision to use it

[sinful sage]

Then idk

😭

[weary oriole]

wait so he can use hydro without a vision?

i feel like they forgot we had it

[sinful sage]

No

The vision hunt decree is proof enough you can’t use elements without it on you

[mental violet]

Maybe he was just close enough to us idk they probably just forgot that we had it or something

[sinful sage]

That’s also a possibility I guess, a very dumb one but it would work

[mental violet]

They probably forgot but for in lore answers that's probably it or they'll answer it later

[weary oriole]

huh, then you'd expect kazuha's electro vision or thoma's vision to work when it was taken away

er far away from them

[sinful sage]

?

I guess I see what ur saying with Thoma

[weary oriole]

ig kazuha's deactivated when it hit the ground

[sinful sage]

But The electro vision with Kazuha was a one time thing

[weary oriole]

yeah

still it's weird how they forgot we had his vision

literally in our pockets

[mental violet]

I guess we'll just have to wait for them to either fix it or give us an answer in game

[weary oriole]

i am a professional meme creator 😤

[atomic tendon]

bro after finish act 2
this is rather a navia story quest than an archon quest

[tawdry blade]

Not really

We dig in more about the dissolving people stuff

Thus,we will know more about the prophecy

I mean,sumert act 2 was pretty much nahida story quest

[atomic tendon]

well hopefully next act is more action than on court

[meager wing]

my thought exactly

like not saying it’s not archon quest material but i could def see this being a navia story quest

[atomic tendon]

i think it will be the best story quest in genshin hands down

[zenith rapids]

this is actualyl danganronpa

[hazy saddle]

childe until 4.1

[silent lantern]

keep him in tgere for eternity

[hazy saddle]

we got his vision as a 5* quest item and i don't think we had an 5* item removed from the quest items before which means... i mean idk correct me if i am wrong but is his vision staying with us ?

act 3 and 4 will be peak i can smell it

[sturdy pine]

Furina after the trial

[hazy saddle]

neuvillette had more lines than her

neuvillette should have been the archon

justice for my boy

he deserves it more

[turbid sentinel]

anyone got a guide for navia's court case?

[hollow hull]

bruh u need a guide?

have you not paid attention to the story?

[turbid sentinel]

i did it

[hollow hull]

oh ok cool

anyways

u guys wanna see an idiot?

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-gif-27580655

[hollow hull]

^ no thoughts head empty

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-furina-hydro-archon-gif-934677415321046475

she is cute but

she isnt very bright

[ionic shuttle]

no wrio don't handcuff him i'm right here-

[signal mirage]

Ann saying children from "different dimensions" is suspicious

they got me in the first half

[signal mirage]

no one here talks about side quests ig

im doing them before archon quests

[latent dome]

NAVIA PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP

YOURE PRETTY BUT OH MY GOD YOU TALK TOO MUCH

I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR DAD

[ionic shuttle]

the way act 2 is literally navia story quest

there's not a single scene without her

except for us exploring the sinthe lab while she was in court

[lone sable]

The fact it starts raining after Navi’s confronts Neuv and all he can say is I’m sorry is so fucking sad

The resolution at the end felt so good

[river jackal]

I feel like these quests were decently written tbh

Tho people are 100% gonna be pissed at the "navia story quest" nature of them

Also if someone told me furina is the weakest archon i would easily believe it

But idk why the trials all feel like they're not "serious" with them

[opaque lark]

Yeah I was confused at first

[ember knot]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[lean karma]

so you know how we saw a man get killed in front of our eyes by the women hes discared for more than a decade

why the FUCK DID WE GO SHOPPING LIKE IT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED

[weary oriole]

Tbh in gen they felt a bit goofy

The opera this was kinda dumb lol but I liked the rest of it

[grand atlas]

What’s Focalors themed song called?

[lone sable]

Tbf idt anyone cares about him not to mention he WAS an accomplice

[lean karma]

true but like

we could've brought navia into the fountain too

cuz the murder melted the the guy who pulled the trigger on her dad and jaquces

idk if thats how it works but

i just wished we spent a little more time on that scene cuz it was kinda cool

[lone sable]

why would we bring Navia Vajeur was being prosecuted and had one last request

[lean karma]

yeah youre right

[gritty meadow]

wait what was the legend again about the rain in the city of fontaine? i couldnt find the exact words anywhere

[sinful sage]

It’s said that when the Hydro Dragon cries, it rains in fontaine

Just look for Freminet dialogue

He said it in AQ

The first one

[echo belfry]

anyone know how to proceed in quest after seymour and anna go back to annapausis together? or thats it for now

[final chasm]

oh i'm at that exact point as well

been going through the castle or whatever it is and it just loops

[mental violet]

She probably is, saying archons get their power by the belief of their people (im like 90% sure), but the people more so believe in justice and the machine thing I forgot the name of than believing in her (believing prob isnt the right word but it works for now)

[final chasm]

notably, i already finished the quest but the "is this place a zoo?" room of path 3 still had the animals which means i hadn't yet gone through there

not sure if this would really be a "continued in 4.1" thing considering other sidequestlines were contained to the version they were released in with no "to be continued"

mary ann -> ann
|
|
taking care of the kids (one of which was named basil and i'm prettttttty sure jakob was also one of them)

so do i gotta like find and complete other quests relating to the other kids since there's already one directly linked to basil

assuming these other quests actually exist

[lone sable]

i gotta say the end of the archon quest with the whole confrontation was so chilling and satisfying

it was like a mermaid trying to lure in its victim

also the implied sex trafficking in lyney and lynettes story was really dark glad they have something like that in the game

[final chasm]

wh

[echo belfry]

thats what im confused about

[flint cave]

when did tartaglia get so friendly with the traveler? weren't they mad that tartaglia betrayed them at the end of liyue quest?

[pine thistle]

THEY DID THE ||PRALJAK||

[final chasm]

traveler had so many encounters with him by that point that they don't even feel fazed by him being around

childe always had favorable opinion of the traveler but by this point traveler just sees childe and is like "oh boy here's this guy again"

traveler is still kinda mad at him but knows him enough now to tell that if he's just gonna waltz on up during the middle of mediating with loan sharks just to chat with traveler while they angrily yell at him he probably has no ulterior motives and isn't a threat at that moment

also why they got angry at lyney because they don't know him and lynette well enough to know whether or not they're gonna be anything like how childe was in liyue

[river jackal]

Doesn't it seem a bit weird that it rained when navia had the confrontation with neuvillette and neuvillette probably got sad?

And it stopped when he felt better at the end

[hollow berry]

tartaglia i do not think that violently resisting arrest is any way to clear your charges

[tawdry blade]

Especially in front of an archon lmao

[lost hamlet]

is there a continuation available for the melusine quest chain this patch?

[dark gorge]

YOOOOOO

THEY WERE RAISED TO BECOME ONE OF THEM

The "father" that they're referring to is actually knife mommy

[weary oriole]

Bruh I am the lawyer???

[hazy saddle]

so the whole thing abt furina being stupid and neuvillette looking powerful

[frank wigeon]

Is another facade by her prob

[lucid haven]

[lucid haven]

Facade?

[hazy saddle]

in my opinion that judging machine gets all the beliefs of the people in justice and the archon and rather the power to go to her it goes to the machine

[frank wigeon]

What if it’s powered by the gnosis

Instead

[hazy saddle]

that is possible too

[frank wigeon]

And the judgements are so accurate

Because it’s divine

Since gnosis are like connected to celestia

[lucid haven]

Well it is a possibility since arlechino wanted gnosis to deal with prophecy

[hazy saddle]

as we saw there is something diffrent that gives the outcome in childe case

so we will see in act 3 and 4

[frank wigeon]

Exactly what if the gnosis sees stuff we can’t

[lucid haven]

Act 3 is in 4.1 and last act in 4.2?

[frank wigeon]

It’s the god of justices gnosis

What if

When Childe saw the whale

He made a crack to the primordial sea

[hazy saddle]

act 3 and 4 in 4.1 act 5 in 4.2

i think

[lucid haven]

Oh ok thnx 😊

[frank wigeon]

Making him the cause

[lucid haven]

U mean ...

[hazy saddle]

wait hm

[frank wigeon]

When he fell

[hazy saddle]

how was it in sumeru

[lucid haven]

Yea into the abyss

[hazy saddle]

it should be the same way

[frank wigeon]

He let someone out from the primordial sea

Or the dark sea

[lucid haven]

Makes sense. Then electro archon was only never really used by Ei

[frank wigeon]

Which was the whale

[lucid haven]

Others like zl (to create mora) and nahida(to function akasha)

[hazy saddle]

no i am talking abt the archon quest bc i am not sure

[frank wigeon]

And furina to provide judgement

[hazy saddle]

i think act 3 and 4 are definitely coming 4.1

[frank wigeon]

Think ab it

[hazy saddle]

but act 5 idk if its 4.2 or 4.3

i dobt remember how was it in sumeru

[lucid haven]

No im just comparing with other gnosis. They each have a different main function

[frank wigeon]

Liyue mainly produces mora

So gnosis makes it

[lucid haven]

So guess the machine would need gnosis or smtg

[frank wigeon]

Sumeru was Akasha

So gnosis powers it

[lucid haven]

I remember nahida saying akasha

Will be powered by gnossi

[frank wigeon]

Fontaine is oratrice

[hazy saddle]

no no

[frank wigeon]

So gnosis powers it

[hazy saddle]

i mean abt the order of archon acts

[lucid haven]

And at the end when she gave it to doctor, she said she will shutdown akasha

[lucid haven]

Oh.

[hazy saddle]

like when will act 3 4 and 5 release

[frank wigeon]

Also furina is probably very powerful

My theory is

The 2 personalities

She has a dark one

And light one

[lucid haven]

Like we know for sure that hydro gnosis will go to fatui rite? (Hopefully tsaritsa unless arlechino go crazy and betray tsaritsa)

[frank wigeon]

What if she fears that due to her darker side

She might lose control

[lucid haven]

Could be. We still dont know the how the prophecy will be changed

[frank wigeon]

Especially since in the concept art for furina she has a mask cover one eye

[lucid haven]

If i remember the former hydro archon was oceanoid?

[frank wigeon]

No she made oceanid

[lucid haven]

Oh

[frank wigeon]

My theory is that both furina and egeria were nymph goddesses

[lucid haven]

I thought oceanoid was one 😂

[frank wigeon]

Ngl I wanted them to be ones to

There’s a theory that previous hydro archon name is egeria

Because in overture teaser

She was the voice at start

And in Greek mythology

[lucid haven]

Overture?

[frank wigeon]

Furina and egeria were nymph goddesses

[lucid haven]

Whats that teaser?

[frank wigeon]

Final feast

With arlechinno

[lucid haven]

Oh fontaine teaser

I cant remember names

[frank wigeon]

At the start there was voice

Her name is egeria

In myth

Her and furina were nymph goddesses

So egeria is probably furinas sister

Just like Ei and makoto

[lucid haven]

Is natlan archon name murata?

Or was that former name?

[frank wigeon]

Yes

Also u can’t Name Scaramouche Murata

Like Nahida and Ei

Or morax and Barbatos

[glossy pagoda]

Anyone know what is ||furina burn a photo|| meaning about, is that have any particular meaning about that bcuz i missed some detail when doing the quest

Anything about theory or analize is all i need

[lucid haven]

Dont think it was revealed in 4.0

Nonetheless i heard someone talk about it

Cant remember

[lone sable]

not yet

i kinda hate when they overuse red herrings in their promotion stuff

like the burning tree in sumeru and the giant ass sea creature in inazumas trailer

like if theyre gonna show a photo burning while she holds it to frame neuv in its place it HAS to mean something

[turbid sentinel]

what the hell is the point of the duel of honor 💀

like the duelists are one of fontaines strongest fighters... so do they really think the convicts have a chance of winning?

like-

[sinful sage]

It’s so they have a chance to protect their honor? What is there not to understand? It’s their choice. And no they’re obviously not expected to win, but by winning they would have earned freedom and respect

Although depending on the crime that’s pretty flawed

[turbid sentinel]

The only people who take it are the ones who are wrongfully accused or desperate convicts

they either go to jail or exiled to the sewer area or get an early death

idk how that counts as honor

[leaden burrow]

Bro why is one of the sub areas just called “A Very Warm Place”???

That’s so fucking ominous.

[tidal hollow]

fr i've been putting off underground stuff it's just...

scary ngl

[leaden burrow]

ONE OF THE SUBAREA NAMES IS STRAIGHT UP “NICE TO MEET YOU”

BRO WHO

[stoic cypress]

just finished the archon quest

its soo gooood

[sullen glade]

Idk how to feel about the mystery solving ace attorney segments.
But it's nice that they're trying something new to make archon quests more interesting

[final chasm]

neuvilette is probably-almost-certainly not human and he can't be an oceanid so popular theory is that he's the hydro dragon

[sinful sage]

I wouldn't even call it a theory

It's basically confirmed

they drop multiple very obvious hints

[final chasm]

yeah pretty much

[feral crypt]

rip childe

🗿

[tired ice]

neuvi is the hydro dragon @feral crypt @final chasm @sinful sage it was confirmed through leaks

get fucking spoiled

[sinful sage]

Im aware

[tired ice]

@final chasm hey hey @final chasm hey nuevi is the hydro dragon it was confriemd through leaks

@final chasm

hey neuvi is the hydro dragon

it was confirmed through leaks

[sinful sage]

Don't be annoying

[tired ice]

speculating abt already confirmed facts is annoying

im just reducing the annoyance

[final chasm]

??

the "already confirmed facts" aren't from released content so not really

most people don't look at lore leaks

in this case it's already like 95% certainty so not that big of a reveal

[tired ice]

now u know

[final chasm]

well yeah but

it's not "already confirmed"

[tired ice]

now u kno

w

[feral crypt]

yeah ik

people told me

bro it was so funny when oceanid starting roasting the hell out of the dude

they roasted him so hard he dies

[tired ice]

wooohoo

[feral crypt]

💀

[tired ice]

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[feral crypt]

YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tired ice]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[weary oriole]

neuvillete is confirmed as the hydro dragon only by the rain

he's the reason why it rains without reason

other than him displaying sadness in a unique way

[feral crypt]

omg

thats the title of the patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[wild steeple]

I just finished the defense case of Lyney and holy shit I want to punch Traveler so bad

Stop acting so butthurt about being lied to

[mental violet]

Lol yea same, it's not like lyney attempted to drown liyue or anything

I get travelers emotions but like we're friends w childe so

[wild steeple]

YEAH

YOU FORGAVE A TERRORIST BUT YOU'RE GETTING ALL BITCHY OVER AN ORPHAN LYING ABOUT HIS TRAUMATIC PAST

WHOSE SISTER WAS ALMOST R*ED

[tawdry blade]

I get what you meant but traveler has no idea if they speaking the truth,we player know their past but not traveler

After his story quest,they trust him more

Traveler most likely didn't trust him because of Arlecchino

Arlecchino could always use traveler sympathy as her weapon

Thus traveler trying to not get involved with fatui

[mellow burrow]

cant wait for the traveler to break tartaglia out of prison /j

jailbreak archon quest is gonna be SICK

[tawdry blade]

Escape before childe drown

[deep mesa]

Is an oceanid a dragon?

I'm convinced

[tawdry blade]

No

They're former archon tear

[deep mesa]

But that's just a social construct

[scarlet panther]

archon quest spoiler

[twin abyss]

I dont get the second and fourth one

[scarlet panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArPEa7rRyUk fourth one

[twin abyss]

Oh

The second one is Paimon

Okay okay

[scarlet panther]

second one is furina

[tawdry blade]

No it paimon

[wild steeple]

wtf was that about Jaques' daughter going full "You don't understand my pain" between her teeth and then the next panel it's like that never happened

[fading otter]

i like how elynas island seems related to watatsumi somehow

i feel like its because orobashi could be one of elynas siblings

[weary oriole]

dragon lore huh

we'll see in a few days i haven't done that part yet

all i know is Neuvillete is the hydro sovereign

[wild steeple]

This is pretty cathartic to read lmao

[tawdry blade]

Paimon before Neuvillette show his power: Neuvillette
After: Monsieur Neuvillette

[wild steeple]

naw, she referred to him with Monsieur way before the Childe fight

though maybe she didn't use it everytime, but I recall her using it nonetheless

[tawdry blade]

Maybe but the entire time she only call him Neuvillette

I assume when she said Monsieur Neuvillette,she was saying it as in question

[wild steeple]

I hope Childe being thrown in jail becomes the new running gag like Itto was back in Inazuma

Cause even if they manage to clear his name, he's still probably going to serve jail time for resisting arrest

[weary oriole]

what the actual fuck is going on here

is this bugged for everyone or just me

[fathom kelp]

very interested in figuring out why the archon seems so powerless

backed down on fighting childe and traveler, has no idea what was wrong w the oratrice, and she didn't even figure out the traveler was in fontaine herself she just found out from a dude 😭

[wild steeple]

I kind of see it as she's simply just not mature enough, and with Neuveillete basically being the defacto leader, she's removed herself of her own duties as archon, thus making her less experienced

In every nation, the archons rule while the sovereign dragons are merely delegated as the archons companions, while in furinas case it's more or less the other way around

It's like when a young adult inherits their father's company and fortune, and they're expected to continue the company ahead. But without the experience their father had, they're bound to be much more inept at it

Neuveillete, being the sovereign dragon, predates Furina, since she's not even the original archon, so while she had to start from scratch, Neuveillete already knew the tools of trade of the job, so Furina never needed to sharpen up

Nahida technically always retained her knowledge despite being a branch of Lord Rukhadevatta, the only thing she lost was her memories of who she was, but everything else remained, hence why she's still pretty good at being an archon

That is not to say though, that furina's completely useless, since we've seen that she's capable of doing her own research and is apparently very concerned about the Fontaine prophecy

But when compared with other archons that have ruled far longer than her, it's no surprise that she seems so inexperienced and clumsy

She's also probably not powerless either, she just likely doesn't have nearly enough combat experience to asses her own strength with confidence

Nahida also technically didn't have much combat experience, but she's the god of wisdom and knowledge, so at the very least she knows what she's getting into and knows how to pick her fights, seeing as she didn't try to face dottore in combat but still fought vs scara's mecha

[fathom kelp]

does she have any archon level feats in text or something

I just think it's strange that we haven't seen her do anything phenomenal, like the things we've seen her do are things that normal ppl can do

and they way they present her in the story makes her seem like she might not be capable of doing so

at least currently

I can definitely see it being a lack of experience but I also think it's more than that

[smoky stag]

I've seen a theory

[wild steeple]

Well if she was truly incapable of doing anything far and above then it'd be weird when she becomes playable and has archon level numbers

[smoky stag]

There was a text leaked by stepleaker a whole while back apparently that may support this theory. But basically the op theorized part of furina's consciousness may be within the oratrice. When I look at it from this way, since it is the very device used to power up the whole of Fontaine (and the faith of the people technically is on the machine and not furina herself), furina as a vessel might not have that much power in comparison

I can send the text, but if you want to look it up yourself I don't think we can find it anymore since stepleaker's og twitter acc got nuked iirc

[smoky stag]

"the power of water is its ability to take on any shape"

And plus ei also technically placed her consciousness inside her sword so this wouldn't be too farfetched of a theory

However one loop hole is that

Why didn't furina know why the machine was malfunctioning by saying Childe is guilty if that were the case

[fathom kelp]

interesting...

[smoky stag]

Unless being away from her original vessel might have had an effect on her memories

Since remember she said to navia "ahem...even I have troubles remembering the details"

During the trial with Marcel/vacher

[fathom kelp]

yeah during that part I thought it was possible the oratrice was made by the previous archon

but idk if that holds up

[smoky stag]

This could also be plausible. Hard to say atp since we barely know any lore behind her and furina as a whole

SPOILER TAG PSL

Ahem just dm me idk why it didn't spoiler

[smoky stag]

Also given our pattern of the current archon having relations to the previous

[fathom kelp]

I opened it before you deleted that's pretty interesting

[smoky stag]

I wouldn't be surprised if they do it this time too

[smoky stag]

Ikr

It's one of the most interesting backstory I've heard assuming legit and not discarded

To me hoyo's writing is simple rn. The catch is Furina is either an incompetent archon hiding behind the guise of competency (but is trying to better herself). Or the most competent archon pretending to be incompetent

Adds up with the narration of lies deception and performative theme in Fontaine

[fathom kelp]

yeah I think it's the first one rn ngl, her reactions seem too genuine to be pretending to be dumb

[smoky stag]

If it's the first one I hope they do her character development justice

[wild steeple]

I wonder if masquerade for the guilty will also turn out to be a rough mistranslation like previous one

[smoky stag]

I'm tired of how hoyo treats the archons like a laughing stock

For gods in the universe they don't feel like one

[wild steeple]

Tbh it's mostly Venti who got the low end of the stick on that one, at least people fear Raiden and respect Zhongli

[fathom kelp]

yeah I do hope furina gets her moment

[smoky stag]

Venti deserved better

Nahida got to show her mindfuckery hax too that's something ig

[wild steeple]

No other archon got a nickname by paimon than Venti, that's just how much he's disrespected 💀

[smoky stag]

I just realized this was an unintended pun lol

[smoky stag]

In natlan we'll learn that the god of war doesn't know how to fight

I just don't feel the stakes tbh (exceptions for raiden and nahida)

[wild steeple]

Nah I expect her to be full blown Itto

No brain just Unga bunga fight me

Have you read the pyro gemstone description? The one where each element has a text that's seemingly coming from their archon

The pyro one kinda reads like Razor

Or Yoda

Pyro Archon achieved good grammar did not

[tawdry blade]

Doesn't matter what people say about furina in this first archon quest.
All archon are equally strong in their own way. Nahida might not know how to fight,but her ability is not to underestimate,she can stay in Irminsul and be undefeatable,she can put Dottore in endless loop without him knowing and wait for traveler to wake up but she is the kindest archon also she wouldn't want Dottore body to just lay there inside her "house"

Furina is not look confident enough when traveler was about to fight her because she think if she lost people,she would lose face,Furina change her attitude after lost to traveler in a court fight,so in act 2 she is more serious and ask questions to confirm the case

Furina didn't even run away or look scared when childe use his delusion,she just run off her chair and look at him with amazed face as if she find it super cool instead of scary

With Furina double personality,it just possible it is like Layla case

Layla don't remember anything when she switched to night mode

But the night mode Layla know well what did day Layla do

1. Furina other side is inside the Oratrice ,if you've done sumeru 3.4 event story,we know it possible for someone to split one of their consiousness to an item.

[livid vault]

Wow they moved story spoilers here

[tawdry blade]

The guy father in 3.4 changed after he split his consiousness to the crown,and when he died,that consiousness still inside there

Waiting for perfect student

In Furina case,we know Oceanid hate her not right after she took the place. So what if,before the Oceanid exiled from Fontaine,Furina was serious about justice but since she got so bored of it,she split her justice(wrathful side,just took the name from the wings) inside the Oratrice and let it do it job

Furina don't know bcuz take away one of your consiousness will make you lose memories about everything related to justice. Like how the father ignoring his son in the story quest after he do it

But the said consiousness still active like normal

Why is the wings called wrathful and merciful? Maybe furina other side that is trapped inside the Oratrice are brutal

Why would death penalty exist in Fontaine but no one ever got executed

Even so,the dual system was most likely made by the Wrathful side

Now,how does her 2 personality work. It unlikely for her to be similar to Layla, instead of day and night,it both in one. Because like I said,it just part of her consiousness

Because right now,she doesn't look like she have any idea who is Aether sister

If the Oratrice theory are correct. When she got her consiousness back,she will know more assuming she judged childe as guilty because she know what he did or senses something inside him. She will still be sassy but take thing even more seriously now

"My ideals have no stains.
I must correct you. People here bear no sins in the eyes of the gods... Only laws and the Tribunal can judge someone.
They can judge even me. So praise my magnificence and purity."

She sound very serious saying thjs

A little sassy in the last sentence

Anyway thank for reading. Tldr: she put her consiousness inside the Oratrice because she got bored of judging people

[abstract wing]

Spoil me or whatever, was neuvilette wearing makeup or something after that final takedown on childe?

[tawdry blade]

What?

[abstract wing]

He wiped his scar as the smoke cleared and it looked like something like cream went over the scar as he stroked it with his finger. Probably just animation style and Im overthinking it

[tawdry blade]

His blood lol

[livid vault]

Guys if anyone follows leaks, there was a leak about new adventurer’s guild branch in watatsumi island something, but that leak is nowhere to be found now? Anyone knows what the source was or if the leak was fake?

[tawdry blade]

I'll check

[livid vault]

Thanks

[tawdry blade]

Gonna take me sometime, because I need to buy some groceries rn

[livid vault]

Sure sure

I guess that post is deleted now tho

I searched past 2 weeks leaks

[ornate sundial]

Yeah it was deleted. I think it's very sus

[livid vault]

I still hope to ender sangonomiya shrine, palace of alcazary and liyue commerce guild one day

And also that adventurer’s guild hq in mondstadt

[broken sluice]

whoaaa

abducted

[tawdry blade]

It fake

[livid vault]

God forbid inazuma gets any limelight

[paper warren]

You've been stolen

[livid vault]

2.1 : liyue main event
3.1 : mond main event
4.1 : mond-liyue evnt

[paper warren]

We will make an announcement soon so others know that this channel has been moved

[iron latch]

is the lyney quest important

lorewise

[tawdry blade]

Genshin timeline yes

[short ingot]

new territory for the lore team our server domination campaign begins!/lh

[tawdry blade]

Now on Arlecchino topic,lyney said Arlecchino want to save Fontaine which I am very skeptical of

He said they want to know the nation secret to solve it which is just a lie from Arlecchino

Furina herself already done her own research to solve it, Arlecchino don't have to do anything about it

Sure she doesn't know about that but it common sense that an archon would take such matters serious

Also focalor pronounce is correct,Idk why some people complain about them not using fokalor

Its fo ç(s)alor

[sinful sage]

I believer it’s because it’s not written how it’s supposed to be pronounced. If it was written ingame as Foçalors it would be correct

[chilly quest]

In the French localization of the game (which is what the pronounciation is based on, cause Fontaine), her name is written as "Foçalors"

Genshin just tries to avoid using non-standard latin characters in the EN text

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,why would none french people complain about that when they don't even use french language?

If people care about that so much,might as well use African language in natlan

Doing world quest not understanding anything

[chilly quest]

Or Spanish, which oddly enough they seem okay with including in-universe

[mystic coyote]

six-fingered Jose

and calling the traveler amiga/amigo iirc

[chilly quest]

Yee

[steep laurel]

Reposting from the main bc i did a whoopsie:

i just finished the ana quest and the ancient colors quest. i havent done the ancient civilization quest, but ive been thinking--can anyone confirm or deny if the fairy tale oceanid creatures Ana dreamed up are representative of Mary Anns real life friends? Currently I see
-Petit Chou: Ana herself
-Al: Ana's brother, Alain Guillotin
-Jak: Jakob Ingold
-Colonel Kate: Basil
-Narcissus: The Abyss/Elynas/etc
However I feel like the connections are tentative and coincidental at best and don't really tell anything about the relationships between the characters. They share similar connections--for example, Jak's ideas of Fontaine's kingdom are similarly radical as compared to Jakob's, Colonel Kate lost of all of her men similarly to Basil, Al and Petit Chou are siblings like Alain and Ann, etc. But Rene is missing from the equation, and instead we have to Ann's--Petit Chou and Ann the Lochfolk. Furthermore, Jak and Kate butted heads, which I don't think is supported in the narrative either. Furthermore, the story's villain, Narcissus, is clearly a reference to Jakob and Rene's Narcissus Ordo, so why is Jak still in the story? It just feels like there's too many connections to dismiss but not enough to be allegorical to the real thing.
I was recently told there was a dissolved oceanid creature named Ney from the quest which may correspond to Rene. But does that suggest he died during the Cataclysm or the Narcissus Order attack? It doesn't match up with what we know of the Fontaine Research Institute. The story overall seems to confirm basic character information but doesn't fit the overall lore we have

Could it be that Ney got dissolved because he didn't succeed in becoming a Baptist like Jakob did? Or is Ann's imagination reordering the events to make herself feel better

[opaque lark]

I want to add that he hid the treasure above Narcissus right before dissolving

(talking about Ney)

Don't know if it has any importance though

[steep laurel]

i feel like that could be foreshadowing something. but since jakob in the fairy tale story seems to fundamentally still be a good guy it could also mean nothing

if it were something like ney gives jakob the key to open the treasure it would explain more

I just forgot Mori, who is clearly Seymour. So now all the characters are accounted for but the way the story is told is different.

[opaque lark]

What is Narcissus Ordo btw ?

[broken sluice]

its a group/faction

[gusty harness]

no need for spoiler tags in this channel, amiright?

[broken sluice]

yes

*unless leaks i think

[gusty harness]

soooo, just finished main story in fountaine.... could it be neuvilette is the real hydro archon and not furina?

[broken sluice]

i think not

Furina can just be a young inexperienced archon

and Neuvillette can be the Hydro Sovereign / Dragon of Water, but recently appeared/reborn into human form ~ 400-500 years ago

coz he looks like already a wise being if he wasnt here yet at the time of Cataclysm

[gusty harness]

why i think i might be true:

• he doesn't have a vision on himself (but could be hidden)
• a very knowledgeable, including on ancient history - he knew about primordial sea (even when the citizens of fountaine didn't knew of it and its properties until the trial of lynney).
• obviously is quite combat-powerful (took out childe in his super form in one strike)
• a dialogue between neuvilette and traveler in the end of the quest is similar to the dialogues of traveller with other archons at their plots ends, including a question about the traveller's sibling
• furina's strange behavior regarding the justice machine (she claimed she didn't know why the machine made the decision on childe - although the machine was supposedly the creation of the hydro archon - and overall haven't demonstrated any of an archon's power so far)

or yeah, could be the dragon...

[broken sluice]

a dialogue between neuvilette and traveler in the end of the quest is similar to the dialogues of traveller with other archons at their plots ends, including a question about the traveller's sibling

Yae Miko did it too

[gusty harness]

ah, i don't remember it, then

[broken sluice]

he being a dragon and allied with the human realm might be the original sin shouldered by the Fontainians

[opaque lark]

I mean all of those points could apply to him being a dragon too

except the 4th one ig

[broken sluice]

hmmm

[opaque lark]

Alain is still alive ??

Also I don't really understand what Jakob did become, he used Abyssal power but also said that he wasn't apart of the Abyss, so...

[broken sluice]

oh shit, it shouldnt be present

[broken sluice]

he directly heard the gospel of abyss

[opaque lark]

gospel of abyss ?

[broken sluice]

if you can remember Klingsor he was an abyss herald but not a member (idk i cant remember much) of AO, iirc

the one colluding with Nasejuna

[opaque lark]

Yeah but idk I find it a little weird

[broken sluice]

maybe Jakob was hounded by the abyss order but he didnt joined them

coz Jakob knows their existence

bro has his own plans

[opaque lark]

What could his plans be though ? Ik that he wanted to "resurrect" Elynas, but Idk why

[broken sluice]

he's feeding off Elynas' blood

he needed more, so he tried to restart the heart to get more blood

[opaque lark]

Hmm ok ok, but why did he need more ? Maybe it was said in the quest but I don't remember

[broken sluice]

maybe thats the resource for his Neohuman project

[opaque lark]

Actually it kinda makes sense

If Elynas really is Gold's creation that is

[broken sluice]

need more lore

[opaque lark]

Didn't realize Jakob killed mary-ann

[broken sluice]

It was inside elynas where the battle happened

[opaque lark]

Do we know why he killed her ?

[broken sluice]

She became member of the marechausee, then tasked to apprehend the ordo members

[opaque lark]

Ah I see I see thanks !

[weary oriole]

story spoilers in lore corner

finally?

[crimson narwhal]

okay, been trying to figure this stuff out and so far, I have the dog and Ann in Narzissenkreuz Ordo, both of which, when united, went on a quest to see if they knew the same "Mary-Ann". Do I simply return to the Narzissenkreuz ordo later to continue this questline, or must I find someone else to bring there?

Sorry for all the questions, but they have been bugging me for too long haha

yall seem to know alot about the lore and continuation, so I thought I would ask

[warped raven]

[crimson narwhal]

I'll take that as a no clue X-X

Honestly it just that fontaine is so new, there are barely any guides out there, and a ton of stuff is guesswork hah!

[weary oriole]

story spoilers on seasonal?

again?

[ornate sundial]

Huh? It's still on lore corner for me

[crimson narwhal]

^

[tawdry blade]

In 4.1 ,the quest will continue

We will encounter them when helping npc escape the fortress

[crimson narwhal]

ooo okay! thanks. that clears stuff up!

assuming the elusive page X will also be there!

[deep mesa]

crazyy

I didn't make the connection between jak and jakob

Didn't think he would be that old, and it was surprising he wasn't from the abyss order

Elynas seems to be an alien or from the abyss?

Are these the same thing with space being located in the abyss?

[broken sluice]

jak is jakob in the muddled memory of Ann

[deep mesa]

Given it could be an entrance with the firmament covering the surface

[broken sluice]

the whole Adventure Team story is mirrored to the real events

[deep mesa]

yes i realize that just lost some of the names so ty for that infographic

made the connection between them all;

[broken sluice]

im updating it

[deep mesa]

What, exactly is the ordo anyways?

[broken sluice]

jakob's weird experiments

[deep mesa]

Makes sense

Didn't seem like an official institution

[broken sluice]

Alain didnt joined them and parted ways to continue his mechanical research

[tawdry blade]

Wait what? He reborn as water?

Rene

[broken sluice]

idk if he was really reborn though, thats just his last statement

[tawdry blade]

These lore are very interesting,it making me want to do the WQ now but I have my playtime limit

[deep mesa]

The melusine seem to be a mix of pnuema (light) and ousia (abyss) powers given form?

[tawdry blade]

No

[deep mesa]

🙇

i am not cut out to understand this game

[broken sluice]

we dont know. only the breacher primus have pneumousia stuff though they also came from Elynas

[tawdry blade]

Hmm

Since those stuff came from water,air so maybe they do have some in them

Some mek are so annoying to deal with

[deep mesa]

My interpretation ( a poor one most likely) Is that Elynas is a creature from the Abyss (or beyond) that came to Teyvat. It caused havoc and destruction before being killed and resting. The confict of Boethius' kingdom being destroyed caused some congealed blood to leak out. From this leak, his abyssal blood interacted with the light realm and his hopes for peace causing the birth of the Melusine.

[tawdry blade]

We need to hit them pneuma/ousia twice just to stun them

I hope furina pneuma and ousia cd is short

Or maybe combine both into new type and instantly paralyses the enemy

[steep laurel]

Moving to spoiler chat from lore basement about furina

I think the idea thats being presented in Fontaine right now is that entertainment is much more valued than actual justice

In other words, the Opera Eclipse is a literal opera, not a place to get the actual truth. The same is reflected in Furina

Is she capable of seeing the truth? absolutely. Is she willing to forsake the truth for entertainment value? Most of the time yeah

[ornate sundial]

Because that's the people's current belief of justice no thanks to Furina

[steep laurel]

Her true punishment during the first trial isnt being sent to prison for false accusations, its having her Prestige as an Ace Attorney Heel damaged

The embarrassment is the consequence for furina, bc its the one thing she values the most: appearances

[smoky stag]

I find it oddly curious

She is the first archon so far wherein the narrative of "loser" is actively being pushed. We never hear any impressive feats from her from a power standpoint. We are also being shown she is incompetent at her job. It's almost as if intentional

[tawdry blade]

Also there i death penalty but no one ever got that,it does show her "Merciful" side

[smoky stag]

Nahida said that she had the power to have the final say in a trial but clearly she didn't if the aq was any indicator. In fact, it's the oratrice that seems to have the final say in everything instead

I wonder if it's just Nahida speaking in riddles again or hinting to something bigger

[ornate sundial]

And she apparently created it

[smoky stag]

You guys heard of the theory where it's suggested part of her consciousness may be in the oratrice?

[tawdry blade]

The Oratrice is the real Furina

The Wrathful side

[steep laurel]

Absolutely

[smoky stag]

It's weird that she doesn't know of why oratrice malfunctioned if that's the case. My assumption is that perhaps being separated from her original body for so long may have taken a toll on her memories

[steep laurel]

I think all the world quests and archon quests are hinting that fontainians consciousness belong to the greater sea

[tawdry blade]

Yeah,I comment about that above above here

[steep laurel]

Theyre all dewdrops separated, including Furina

[ornate sundial]

I think it could be the previous hydro archon that created the Oratrice

[smoky stag]

I need 4.1 and 4.2 to come out already omg

[tawdry blade]

I noticed that people that got dissolved with their conscious remain

[ornate sundial]

Which is why Furina has no idea how it functions

[tawdry blade]

Same as the abyss

[steep laurel]

HMMGE

[tawdry blade]

elysna consciousness was in abyss before Gold created the body and put it inside the body

[smoky stag]

[ornate sundial]

Do we know that Gold was involved for sure?

[tawdry blade]

Gold created Elynas

It not about the Primordial sea tho

[steep laurel]

I just know the Narzissenkreuz Adventure is hinting at a lore bomb. The idea that all the oceanid consciousness needs to combine to reach the truth has to be an analogy to something in the lore

Same for Ancient Colors aaaa

[ornate sundial]

Where is this mentioned in the game?

[tawdry blade]

Ancient colorb

[steep laurel]

Tbf it would be a huge series of coincidences if it werent gold

[tawdry blade]

WQ

[steep laurel]

Like the way Elynas describes her Mother is word for word basically the same as how Durin described Gold in the weapons

[ornate sundial]

They didn't explicitly say it was Gold

[tawdry blade]

Yes but like toothpick said

[ornate sundial]

Which weapons mention that?

[tawdry blade]

Dragonspine i think

[steep laurel]

-Red blood
-Abyssal energy (Jakob uses it to empower himself)
-Elynas has no actual destructive intentions but her body is just harmful to Teyvat
-Calling her creator Mother
-etc

[steep laurel]

Wait lemme look it up it was a story within one of the dragonspine series

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Dragonspine_Spear

Yea this ones story is INCREDIBLY similar to Elynas's own description of her experience in Teyvat

[smoky stag]

My memories feel like they have been washed away like a flood. So many fragments dissolved amidst the tide, never to be recovered.

This is a line taken from the aq. I find it curious they seem to stress on the "memories and fragmented part of the original" narrative and I wonder if it's hinting to whatever furina's deal is

[steep laurel]

Contrasted sharply with how the people of Teyvat saw Elynas

[smoky stag]

Yeah everything abt consciousness too like

What's the deal with Fontaine bro

[tawdry blade]

Even the crown in 3.4 event are from fontaine

[ornate sundial]

Mother was the only similarity I can see. And we already knew Gold created Durin

[tawdry blade]

And it has function to put your consciousness in it

[smoky stag]

Remember that ei also placed her consciousness inside the musou isshin

Hmmge

[tawdry blade]

Susge

[smoky stag]

I wonder if that stepleaker leak abt furina's personality still holds value

[tawdry blade]

I think in the last act,we will dive into the Primordial Sea and find the causes

[ornate sundial]

Putting consciousness in things was a fad in Teyvat

[smoky stag]

God I'm so looking forward to how the story is gonna develop

[tawdry blade]

Before that,sink Arlecchino inside it

[smoky stag]

Fr people be putting consciousness inside objects left and right

[tawdry blade]

Immortal life

[steep laurel]

Jakob intended to use Elynas's blood to power his own Abyssal strength, suggesting that Elynas is from the Abyss. I believe Renes investigative notes also hints to this

My question is why Elynas specifically? Rene also hinted to observing Durins blood, but is there a reason why Jakob gravitated to Elynas?

[smoky stag]

I think the main take away for me is that the oratrice either houses

1. The gnosis
2. furina's other half
3. prev hydro archon consciousness

[ornate sundial]

Maybe because Elynas' corpse is so massive and it's in Fontaine so it's closer to him ig

[tawdry blade]

1 and 2

[broken sluice]

so the "cosmic darkness" space Elynas mentioned could be also where the Rifthounds originated. Rhinedottir just picked out some from there and transferred them here in the Human Realm

[tawdry blade]

Durin was massive

Maybe he choose Elynas because Dragonspine is super cold

[smoky stag]

[tawdry blade]

Also Monds has anemo archon look out for danger

[steep laurel]

Also the traveller reacts to Mameres painting like this, after being exposed to abyss blood sensitivity. Clearly Drowned Throne is meant to be a reference to Elynas, Snowfield is Durin, but then what the heck is the Bears

[tawdry blade]

Realisticly,reach the durin heart would take hours + dangerous enemy

[ornate sundial]

Yep Jakob said that the rifthounds were waiting to get out

[errant vigil]

who's jakob and where do i meet him

[ornate sundial]

I thought he was just trolling

[tawdry blade]

In America

[steep laurel]

Do the Ancient Colors quest w the melusine Mamere

[ornate sundial]

But then Mamere reacted the way she did

[steep laurel]

Jakob is an enemy in the quest

[errant vigil]

aight thx

[tawdry blade]

Did he die

[ornate sundial]

No

[steep laurel]

Jakob? nah hes chilling

[tawdry blade]

Why not

[steep laurel]

mans literally built different

[tawdry blade]

[ornate sundial]

He escaped. He even trapped the Traveler

[tawdry blade]

How

[ornate sundial]

If it wasn't for Elynas' intervention, we would've died

[steep laurel]

I guess Jakob has to go on a snow trip now RIP bozo

[tawdry blade]

Is he just collecting abyss energy rn

[ornate sundial]

Yeah for whatever reason

[tawdry blade]

Hmm

[ornate sundial]

Probably something sinister

[steep laurel]

Yeah. So rn the story is that Rene and Jakob discovered abyss power and decided the only way to prevent the apocalypse is by making all humans Neohumans

[tawdry blade]

Likely meet him in next dragonspine event

[steep laurel]

Read: Abysslings

[tawdry blade]

Neohuman? Basically half human half abyss?

[broken sluice]

bro might have his own Super Soldier Facility

[steep laurel]

Jakob is the only successful case of Abyssifying tho. There was another subject, Carter, who died

Furthermore, Renes research also details that Jakob is empowered when consuming Abyss blood, hence the Elynas incident

[ornate sundial]

I don't remember Carter. When was he mentioned? In the 3.6 area notes?

[steep laurel]

Yes the notes and the Enigmatic Pages

[broken sluice]

4.0 lore

[steep laurel]

I just read the pages tbh lol

[ornate sundial]

Wait aren't the pages just quest items for now?

[steep laurel]

Also where is Rene. What is my man cooking

[tawdry blade]

Is it possible for him to be the 2nd weekly boss of fontaine

[steep laurel]

I doubt it? They use the boss form for him that we alr have

[broken sluice]

he was used for experiment as well

[tawdry blade]

Maybe he will evolve even more

[broken sluice]

page 9

[steep laurel]

So he doesnt have a unique form yet. And even if he did what could they upgrade him too

[steep laurel]

my man died cooking

Maybe hes hunting down some clapping bears or sth

[tawdry blade]

Snezhaya

[steep laurel]

cant wait to meet abyssling rene with his bear pets

[opaque lark]

Isn't he dead ?

[steep laurel]

No idea. Apparently the enigmatic pages suggest he went insane after going Abyss Mode

[opaque lark]

Oh he also went Abyss mode ? Thought that was only Jakob

[buoyant trench]

okay so when neuvillete knocked out childe and traveller, paimon finished talking to him, we have to go somewhere else, instead I again iniatied conversation with neuvillete and at one point paimon asks " O masanioure neuvillete what are you or who are you.

And I think Paimon also said what are you having such immense power?

not sure about that though, and he didn't replied conversation ended there.

and you can only do that during the AQ after that cutscene.

[loud sluice]

theres no way hes not the hydro dragon

hes got draconic features and hes obviously not mortal as he's lived for a while

[steep laurel]

Even Navia acknowledges he doesnt understand humanity its pretty much an open secret that Neuvi is not human

I think the Fontainians may believe he's some kind of Oceanid though and not like. A Hydro Dragon

Assuming any of them even know what the significance of the dragons are

[loud sluice]

I think the archon dynamic for fontaine might be that the archon this time around is like 2nd in command kind of

I believe it was mentioned by nahida that dragons are more powerful than archons themselves

I understand focalors is supposed to have a comedical personality but she is VERY incompetent, especially for an archon

it's not at all similar to how nahida was just a weak archon because her people didn't like her, fontainians love focalors but their admiration isn't really "worship" so she could just be very weak

[tawdry blade]

iirc,they think he is the only male Melusine

Because of how kind he is to them

[tawdry blade]

Archon don't need people to workship to be strong, they just need to do their job

[steep laurel]

i mean tbf theyre close enough, since the melusines are born from dragon flesh

[tawdry blade]

I mean, consider this, during the inazuma vision hunt decree,most people should stop workshipping raiden because they literally become so isolated to other region

No archon is weak. They have their best and worstm nahida might be bad at fighting but her capabilities is one of the strongest

Furina might not be confident when fighting but her ability might related to divine judgement which should be really strong

[loud sluice]

nahida was weak because her people viewed her as lesser to rukkhadevata, it was said in game

[tawdry blade]

It wasn't

[smoky stag]

Maybe wait until 4.2 and then we'll see what's the truth

[tawdry blade]

Not everyone was workshipping rukka either

Nilou and many other still workship and make a festival for nahdia

[loud sluice]

paimon even referenced it in the start of fontaines quest

archon power = how much worship they receive from their people

[tawdry blade]

[loud sluice]

alr then

and power isn't just combat ability lol

nahida even with the faith of her people still isn't adept in combat but she knows literally everything there is to know and has a direct connection to irminsul

[tawdry blade]

She didn't,I check my own livesteam and she only talk about her consciousness being sealed by the doctor

And I was talking about her ability not,combat ability

She can stay inside Irminsul and will never be touch

She can put people in endless loop and collecting data

That is her biggest pros. Her cons is she doesn't know how to fight with weapon or any combat experience

Pretty sure venti also said that archon is weak if they doesn't do their job, because with your worship logic,venti should still be strong because Mondstadter still grateful to him regardless

[loud sluice]

the whole reason why nahida was trapped in the sanctuary in the first place is because her people had no faith in her and she was in a weakened state, this was a huge plot point

her only "job" was to provide a gnosis for the akasha system to work because that was her only use to the people of sumeru

[tawdry blade]

And how does that relate to her powerscaling? Nothing,she still have those powerful ability in the end

Just lack of combat experience

We don't know exactly what is nahida powerscaling other than her have no access to gnosis which store energy and no freedom

People only theorise her being weak because she is small, inexperienced,sealed

[buoyant trench]

Yeah she do have lack of combat experience but she can also trap her enemies in a loop as long as she wants and will find a way to beat them in the end.

[tawdry blade]

Your theory for furina being weak is because Fontainian admire her only? It still the same thing as worship,they respect her enough to consider as workship

[buoyant trench]

but not immediately.

[brazen anvil]

any theory of the world formula or is it just a prophetize disaster in the future waiting to unfold?? for me its some kind of truth or something

[smoky stag]

Also the argument that people's faith = archon power is rendered moot when you consider some of the archons were naturally strong to begin with

[tawdry blade]

The latter

Yes,that why they even become one

Archon are borned naturally strong

[smoky stag]

likewise, even the current "weakest" archon Nahida, while she was trapped, was still able to reach far out enough onto the desert area to save us

[tawdry blade]

I doubt venti is weak either

[smoky stag]

It's all pointless to argue that "XYZ archon might be very weak" when even at their weakest, they are considerably much stronger than 80% of the cast

[tawdry blade]

He is wind spirit himself

And possibly Istaroth partner

[buoyant trench]

Nah I don't think nahida is "weakest"

[smoky stag]

I emphasized "weakest" for a reason

[tawdry blade]

In term of ability

[smoky stag]

That said, wait until 4.2 before we can start gauging furina's power level is the safest bet tbh

Although I do still believe neuvi is stronger than her

[loud sluice]

well obviously a God is still a God I'm just saying the argument that she's weak might explain her overall incompetence

[buoyant trench]

I mean yeah you are right we are only 1 patch in fontaine and we already determining her power.

[smoky stag]

Fr

[tawdry blade]

Still mean nothing consider her other personal

[buoyant trench]

wdym in terms of ability?

[tawdry blade]

Dream power

[loud sluice]

do we know of anything special she can uniquely do

[smoky stag]

I think the most popular theory rn is that she might have part of her consciousness stored in the oratrice. You might argue that "why didn't she know why the oratrice was malfunctioning then". My assumption is that maybe furina's memories is washed away if she did separated her consciousness into two 🤔

[tawdry blade]

We don't because it 4.0

[smoky stag]

That's the thing. The story is actively pushing the narrative that she's a loser almost as if intentionally imo

Because so far we know little to nothing abt furina

[tawdry blade]

But it likely her ability has to do something with divine judgment

Eventhough she doesn't look like she care about justice

[smoky stag]

Remember the main theme of Fontaine is illusion deceit and performance

It'll probably be revealed in due time

[tawdry blade]

Her title still intact

Turn out,she was playing the whole time

[loud sluice]

maybe she has like divine foresight or something and knows the result of every trial

[smoky stag]

Well in either case her story has the potential to be one of the more interesting ones but I feel like our headcanons will turn out more interesting than whatever canon shit hoyo is cooking

I would love to be proven wrong though

[buoyant trench]

I mean if someone asks me
that you can chose only one archon to protect you from rest of the archons I will chose nahida because just trap all of them in samsara loops and wipe all of them out from irminsul.
only my opinion, she is my favourite so far.

[loud sluice]

which might be why she seeks more and more excitement because since she knows the outcome of everything nothing is truly exciting to her

[tawdry blade]

A pretty unique concept for Arlecchino fight would be furina watch traveler while supporting him by showing him the future of Arlecchino attack

[buoyant trench]

Yeah that what I was thinking what if oratrice has consciouness of previous hydro archon?